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[12:59] sistpoty: fine by me, I've talked to a couple of people who were proposed for ubuntu-dev [12:59] ajmitch: ah, cool, great :) [12:59] there were only 3 or 4 people I recognised on that list anyway :) [12:59] we can probably just send out a mail to them all explaining the new procedures, etc [12:59] sounds sane [12:59] inviting them to mail in their application if they have people to support them & they are ready === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] I could blog it too. Or maybe we don't want it *that* advertised [01:05] not until the proper list is there [01:05] yes... otherwise it might end up chaotic... or with every 3rd post to motu being please use ... for membership applications ;) [01:05] LaserJock_: liek no one reads your blog anyways [01:05] heh, true [01:05] hehe [01:06] *somebody* has to read it === sistpoty is looking forward to see the next golden pony awards *g* [01:06] I read it! [01:06] oh yes, I need to start thinking about that [01:07] oh, the golden ponies! [01:07] I guess bddebian should get one for fixing universe... though I don't want to influence the jury in any way ;) [01:08] I had fun with that, I hope people didn't think it was too weird [01:08] was great fun to read :) [01:09] ok, I'm off to bed now (trying to find a sane wake/sleep rythm the recent days *g*) [01:09] gn8 everyone [01:09] cya sistpoty === ajmitch goes & hunts for the historic golden ponies announcement [01:10] heh [01:10] I need somebody to make me a nice shiny golden pony [01:10] ah, you promised the next round in april/may [01:10] my art sucks [01:11] yes, every release === ajmitch looks forward to the next round [01:12] yeah, I'll have to scare up some good movie titles to geekify === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] & some worthy candidates [01:14] there's always worthy candidates [01:15] don't forget to mention holy holbach! [01:16] oh man, I might have some fun with Council Grayskull ;-) [01:16] uh oh === ajmitch quickly resigns [01:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1ChfM94yQ [01:18] :P [01:20] LaserJock_, should be the orco awards ;) http://store.ticklespop.com/heorbupin.html [01:20] oh, that is nice [01:22] zul: oh man, that brought back some memories [01:23] I'll defiantly have to link to that, so people get the context ;-) [01:23] LaserJock_: yeppers.. === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-150-224-205.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@202.61.173.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] ajmitch: I'm up to 7 things compiled from source and still can't get scipy to load === wongy [n=wongy@59.167.212.187] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wongy [n=wongy@59.167.212.187] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:50] I'm impressed === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host162-123-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] geser: what build-dep changes did you do for all those apt-using packages? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios_ [n=cypher@201.66.61.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] Heya gang [02:29] hey === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] . [02:34] , [02:35] ; [02:35] very useful [02:35] now get to work [02:36] yeah yeah. I'm waiting for my upstream to send me a new tarball (Friday) [02:36] there are still plenty of bugs in universe to fix === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] Any that someone who doesn't know how to write code can fix? [02:37] yep [02:37] there'll be plenty of packaging bugs [02:37] dive in & take a look :) === bddebian hides [02:37] Point me to a list and I'll grep for ones within my capabilities. [02:38] Who gave ajmitch the whip anyhow? :) [02:38] tonyyarusso: bugs.ubuntu.com [02:38] grepping is somewhat out of the question there [02:38] but you can use the tags, or the advanced search [02:39] ajmitch: Is there any way to narrow down "Universe packaging bugs in feisty"? [02:39] heh [02:39] it's easy to narrow something down to universe [02:39] far harder to know that something is packaging vs actual code bug [02:39] bddebian: you want me to quit? [02:40] all right [02:40] there are plans afoot to try & identify packaging bugs & tag them as such [02:40] ajmitch: Nah, you pick it up, I'll quit :-) [02:41] tonyyarusso: tags packaging and bitesize [02:41] Adri2000: cool [02:41] Adri2000: are they being used at all yet? [02:42] speaking of bugs I'm working on a strings patch for qtparted and I am curious about what effect it will have on translations [02:42] ajmitch: yes, there are some bugs tagged so, but not really a lot === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is no i18n expert by any means [02:43] Adri2000: right, a whole 3 bugs tagged as packaging so far [02:43] the problem with tags, is finding people who are able & have the time to identify the bugs as such [02:44] I touch a fair number of bugs so could tag them when looking at them. [02:44] ok [02:44] do you think the bugsquad could tag some as well when triaging? [02:44] if I had some criteria [02:44] that's the hard part :) [02:45] After testing / trying it some I could add it to the process [02:45] broken dependencies, missing files in packages, etc [02:45] post/pre install script errors [02:45] issues with /var/run [02:46] the list would grow as you see more bugs [02:47] okay, I'll keep that in mind then. Is adding tags in beta.lp any easier? [02:47] I don't think it's changed much in the new UI === ajmitch can no longer see the old ui to compare :) [02:48] In the old one you have to edit the description to reach the tags [02:48] ajmitch: if you go to launchpad.net/ (root dir) you can click "disable redirection" [02:48] which is extra step from regular work flow [02:48] interesting === ajmitch checks tagging [02:49] looks like it's the same [02:50] might be worth filing a bug against malone to try & smooth out the workflow === ajmitch can think of much easier ways to add tags than this provides === TwoPints [n=frank@AC8D509F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] Gads I hate what look to be video (i.e. ATI) related bugs [03:03] UVFe fglrx! === jdong leads the ULF campaign [03:03] (Uvfe Liberation Front?) [03:03] ULO? [03:03] Liberation Front of UVFe, not the UVFe Liberation Front! [03:03] heretics [03:04] pffft :) [03:05] "me want xgl" [03:06] haha, see it's catching on.... [03:07] meh.. [03:08] hey, what about xgl? :) [03:09] What about lgx? [03:10] we've had glx for years, why can't people just settle? :) [03:10] Man bug triaging sucks these days [03:11] i only tried triage for the first time the other day, there was a time when it didn't suck? === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] I mean we now have bugs old enough to not know what distro they were posted on, etc ,etc [03:13] yea actually the first few bugs i worked on were from over 6 months ago [03:14] first one the guy had actually changed companies and said he thought the company no longer used that program :) [03:14] me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! [03:14] me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! [03:14] me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] Heya LaserJock [03:18] welcome back, LaserJock [03:18] *$%@&!) [03:19] no luck yet? [03:19] no, and the uni's DNS servers must have died [03:19] ouch [03:19] I just left and went home [03:20] but I actually did get things to work === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] good [03:21] python 2.5, matplotlib, and gfortran as binaries. fftw, numpy, scipy from source [03:22] I will never complain about Ubuntu/Debian python === ajmitch will [03:23] well, you're right, I probably will [03:23] but it's nothing to the OS X insanity === mewantXGL [n=jdong@bursley-216-99.reshall.umich.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8"] === mewantXGL [n=jdong@bursley-216-99.reshall.umich.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:24] I think there was maybe only 1 package I downloaded today (I probably got like 20 total today) that had a build number or unique versioning [03:24] they'd have like 3 or 4 different builds all with the same filename and no data associated [03:25] so I had to try each one to figure out which one worked === bestadvocate [n=rob@cpe-76-188-121-142.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] wow, the whole uni is down [03:29] I can't even get to the website [03:33] impressive === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [03:37] Is there a command line pdf reader? === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] bddebian: pdftotext? [03:49] ajmitch: thx [03:49] Where the heck is the logfile of --logfile to pbuilder kept? [03:51] how about reading the man page [03:52] How about kissing my ass? [03:53] er...not tonight [03:58] Does this tell you where it puts it? [03:58] --logfile [file to log] [03:58] Specifies the logfile to create. The messages generated during [03:58] execution will be written to the file, instead of messages com [03:58] ing to the standard output. [03:59] it tells you it puts it where you tell it to put it. [03:59] --logfile /tmp/pbuilder.log puts it at /tmp/pbuilder.log [03:59] --logfile /dev/stdout annoys the heck out of you [03:59] --logfile /dev/dsp is more interesting for annoying coworkers. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] So a path is required? Because saying --logfile foo goes nowhere [04:02] I would expect it in the cwd [04:02] I think by the time it transfers control cwd does not make much sense [04:02] try with an absolute path [04:02] that's definitely worked for me [04:02] or just --pkgname-logfile [04:03] it will put the .build in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ [04:03] jdong: Thx === Hobbsee waves [04:04] hi Hobbsee [04:04] how's Xgl? broken you may say? [04:04] how very true [04:04] it's a great day. [04:07] Heya Hobbsee [04:07] heya jdong, bddebian [04:07] :) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TwoPints [n=frank@AC8EA2CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@75.14.214.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] hi Hobbsee === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@modemcable049.150-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] hi ajmitch === moxfyre [n=moxfyre@c-68-48-223-182.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] morning [04:48] hi gpocentek [04:48] how are you? [04:48] hello ajmitch [04:48] I'm fine, you? [04:48] good :) [04:48] Heya gpocentek [04:49] hello bddebian [04:49] just doing some setup on a new server [04:49] ajmitch: I'm a bit confused, you can ACK main UVF exceptions? [04:50] I tought that only Colin and Matt could do this... === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] Gah.. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@adsl-75-14-214-216.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] for goodness sakes [05:05] I hate stupid weather [05:06] stupid weather? [05:07] we are getting lots of snow here (at least for this area) [05:07] It's just about to really, really rain here. [05:07] Nice thunderstorm :) [05:07] LaserJock_: Ah [05:07] my DSL is the most unstable I've ever seen it [05:08] and the uni internet is completly down [05:11] bddebian: how are you doing this evening? [05:12] OK I guess, thanks. You? [05:13] other than this stupid internet connection I"m doing fine [05:14] you know you are addicted when your internet at work goes down and you just have to pack up and leave === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] LaserJock_: Yep :) [05:16] gpocentek: no, did I accidentally do that? [05:17] hi everybody [05:17] Heya Toadstool [05:17] hey bddebian [05:18] ajmitch: hehe, now you're on ubuntu-uvf? ;-) [05:18] gpocentek: they were assigned to motu-uvf by some helpful person, I didn't realise they were in main [05:18] sigh, caravena is gone so I can't tell him off *again* [05:18] LaserJock_: no, I was looking at motu-uvf bugs [05:19] I know, I'm just teasing === ajmitch really wishes we didn't have to tell overly helpful people not to do things repeatedly [05:19] again & again === bddebian hides [05:20] some people can be more of a hindrance than a help === jdong whistles [05:21] some people can be just annoying & make you want to avoid irc altogether :) === jdong whistles again? [05:24] ajmitch: it'd be awesome if we could associate teams with a component [05:24] so motu-uvf could only be assigned/subscribed to bugs on Universe packages [05:25] yeah [05:25] jdong: nah, ajmitch is talking about me :-) [05:25] bddebian: I've been kinda pushy and obnoxious today too [05:25] I'm sorry, ajmitch [05:25] bddebian: no, it's jdong :) [05:26] is Feisty slated to become an LTS release? [05:27] no [05:27] when is the next LTS release coming? [05:27] any info on that? [05:28] someone is asking me on another network :) [05:28] when it's decided that upstream projects are in a suitable state for it to be useful & stable [05:28] eg not when a whole lot of new stuff has just been introduced [05:28] in other words, there isn't a set schedule for LTS releases [05:29] it's just when Mark reads the tea leaves and says "Ah hah, this is an LTS!" [05:29] <_ion> The next LTS release will probably come before feisty+10. === ajmitch doubts feisty+1 will be LTS [05:30] I really don't think they'll want 2 LTSs at the same time [05:30] "when it's ready" ;) [05:32] anybody know of a really easy to setup and use wiki? like for my own use === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-143-136.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] <_ion> Tomboy :-) [05:34] well, I want to put it on my server [05:34] eww, MONO... (no offence ajmitch :) [05:35] it's not personal as in local, just personal as in I'm the only one using it [05:35] Toadstool: not a mono fan huh? [05:36] LaserJock: I'd say moinmoin [05:36] that's still quite a bit of effort for 1 person's use [05:36] although I do like moin [05:36] true [05:36] Toadstool: get over it [05:36] :) [05:36] I was thinking of ikiwiki [05:37] that wiki compiler that's on planet Debian (Joey Hess?) [05:37] never used it but it looks really good [05:37] yep joeyh [05:40] also phpwiki but it looks so messy [05:41] LaserJock: was that pkg a tad bit better this time around? [05:41] building it now [05:42] LaserJock: the thing I dislike in phpwiki is the php part :) [05:42] well, I've been getting into it lately so I don't know that I mind so much [05:44] I had so many bad experiences with PHP in the past 2 years that I totally banned it from my own server [05:44] but I also figured out how to get mod_python working [05:44] bad in what way? [05:44] bad in that I worked on crappy PHP code and I got sick of it [05:45] ah [05:45] I thought bad as in security stuff [05:45] maybe it was just because it was really badly coded but still... [05:46] <_ion> http://tnx.nl/php.jpg [05:46] :) === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] _ion: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.phpi/2b100e19/fuck_mod_perl.jpg [06:21] Jajajajaj [06:21] g0su: ? [06:22] Hobbsee, see one line up === Ademan_ [n=dan@h-67-101-101-187.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] oh...gotcha === Hobbsee wonders who wrote this howto on bzr [06:23] dholbach, and another guy, it seems [06:24] which one? [06:24] (hi Hobbsee btw) [06:25] Toadstool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr [06:28] that's a nice FAQ === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-136-12.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [06:50] everybody, hide! :) [06:50] argh!!! === Hobbsee runs [06:50] great === ajmitch leaves again [06:51] oh come on [06:52] Gnight folks === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-49-73.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee pokes Toadstool === Toadstool runs away [07:19] Toadstool: ponies got a mention in jono's community talk at LCA. [07:19] yay === Hobbsee is glad to see it's gotten so far [07:20] Hobbsee: http://www.tinfc.org/pony.jpg <-- like these ponies? :) [07:21] yep :P === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75840.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] good morning [07:55] hey, holy holbach! [07:56] hey ajmitch :) [07:56] just a one off, eh? ;) [07:57] I'll talk to him on friday *GRRRRR* :) [07:57] haha === Kagou [n=Kagou@88-138-188-10.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] dholbach: luckily I happened to be on irc when the TB meeting was on :) [08:01] so we had 1 MC rep [08:02] I prodded the sysadmin team again, just now. [08:02] ok [08:02] sadly LP is down for a couple of hours right now [08:03] did somebody mail caravena and tell him not to meddle with the motu-uvf process? [08:03] he was in -motu earlier [08:03] did somebody tell him? [08:03] confused me, I ended up ACKing a couple of main UVF requests :) [08:03] yes [08:03] ok good [08:03] we'll see if he got the message === mafix [n=marfix@213.144.142.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] dholbach, you should ask for 'huggy holbach' instead : [08:08] elkbuntu: hahaha, good idea :) === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@23-23.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A90185.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] Is there a documentation or policy on how to pack python extensions (with .so files) in ubuntu? [08:20] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ [08:20] ah, thanks a lot! === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] when you are syncing from debian, you are syncing from unstable correct? [08:34] giftnudel: usually yes [08:34] every once in a while we grab from experimental [08:34] ok [08:35] I need a package in ubuntu but it would also be nice in debian, so I hope to have it in in the next release (feisty+1) [08:36] but want to get it in debian first ;) === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] what is the preferred tool to use? python-support or python-central? [08:40] python-central I think === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.147.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] yes, thanks, I now have a package which is exactly what I need, so I can look things up now === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=pochu@69.Red-88-6-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ is now known as abelcheung === Rohinton [n=chatzill@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rohinton [n=chatzill@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-136-12.dsl.telstraclear.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Kagou_ [n=Kagou@77.192.175.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548FC366.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@77.192.175.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] man I love Python! [10:26] :) [10:26] don't we all? [10:26] Python-cairo: for when you want to draw a postscript image for latex, but don't want to deal with a crazy stack-based language :) [10:32] I mean, you guys know how much of a programmer I'm not [10:32] but tonight I wrote a script that plots my data in a nice GUI window [10:32] I click on two point of data [10:32] we know you're a programmer :) [10:33] and it averages the data between the two points and spits out new data normalized to that averaged value [10:33] and wc -l tells me it took 63 lines [10:33] probably only 40 of real code [10:33] Oh, yeah. Python rocks :) [10:34] that's with grabing mouse click events [10:34] sweetness [10:35] I should ask my advisor to do *that* in Fortran [10:41] well, with that I'm done for the night/morning [10:42] not even 2am [10:42] ;-) [10:42] even managed to install mediawiki too === cassidy [n=cassidy@117.131-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by ajmitch at Fri Feb 23 12:47:21 2007 === jamyskis [n=dlecount@dslb-084-061-007-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 [n=alessand@host64-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] morning everybody === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] heya jamyskis [11:24] im having another crack at building debian packages - can i just hang about and throw in random questions should something go wrong? [11:25] sure, hopefully there'll be someone awake to answer [11:25] heeh [11:25] heheh [11:25] thanks === jamyskis [n=dlecount@dslb-084-061-007-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] grr using gaim to access irc channels is not recommended [11:28] no. xchat is far better [11:28] if you're in gnome-land [11:28] ill switch over later when im finished with this [11:28] yep :-) === jamyskis [n=dlecount@dslb-084-061-007-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] ok xchat it is then hehe === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] night all, see you later [11:33] night ajmitch === Hobbsee looks into dinner [11:34] night ajmitch === jamyskis is starting to feel hungry now. === jamyskis has nothing in his cupboards however. === KriS83 [n=kmarcrof@212.202.141.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] Good morning. [11:38] morning KriS83 [11:38] uk= [11:38] ? [11:39] I have a short, simple and probably freaquently asked question. MOTU Packages are supported how long? [11:39] KriS83: for released versions? [11:39] yepp [11:39] e.g. Dapper [11:39] KriS83: same as thes ones in main [11:39] They're not supported by canonical [11:39] iirc [11:39] ie, we can still push security fixes, though [11:39] So we would also have LTS of MOTU packages. [11:40] it's as long as community members step up for fixing the issue. [11:40] k [11:40] KriS83: ie, they'll probably be updated, as long as someone steps up and does it, but neither canonical or MOTU commits to everything being fine, with no security vulnerabilities. [11:41] I'm just setting up a server on dapper. And I require some packages from universe. e.g. scponly & tripwire [11:42] Just donjust wanted to make sure the packages don't just "disapear" in a couple of months [11:43] no, nothing disappears from the archive, unless it has a *very* good reason to [11:43] which, iirc, doesnt exist [11:53] When you're creating the rules file for a debian package, can you simply copy part of the original source distribution's makefile? The makefile for my game was actually generated automatically by Anjuta and I'm not too clear on them [11:54] jamyskis: you shouldnt need to modify the makefile at all [11:54] debhelper picks it up [11:54] (or should) [11:54] ah right...because I'm creating from scratch here :-p [11:55] can i do the whole thing from scratch and still let debhelper take over creating the rules file? [11:56] seen teh packaging guide? [11:56] i have it printed right in front of me here [11:57] at least the bit about packaging from scratch [11:57] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html === jamyskis needs a strong cup of tea and will be back shortly. [11:59] ah :) [12:00] you dont usually need more than the files that are listed in there === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamyskis is now armed with a fresh hot cup of tea and is ready to rumble. [12:03] so can i just copy the makefile that's there? [12:03] and modify that a bit? [12:03] Ian Jackson's example one I mean === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1_ [n=cypher1@59.92.149.181] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] giskard: hi... will you update libnotify/notification-daemon? === jamyskis [n=dlecount@dslb-084-061-007-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.137.171] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] jamyskis: ian jackson's? [12:18] jamyskis: oh, debian/rules is not the same as the makefile, btw === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] just figured that out hehe [12:20] im just looking through each section in the tutorial and looking to see if i can understand each bit of it [12:20] at least to a degree === giftnudel [i=tutor31@client4.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tutor31 [i=tutor31@client4.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] ok because I've written my game in c++ it stands to reason that i have to change cc to g++ (not gcc) and src/$(package).c to src/$(package).cpp right? === Marsmensch_ [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-091-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giftnudel [i=tutor31@client4.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@modemcable049.150-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] It seems that all the rage these days is deleting your xorg.conf after installing Xorg 7.2... What about keyboard settings? Where do they come from? Should I just be creating a xorg.conf with just that info in it? [01:13] shawarma: When I upgraded to 7.2 I had to reselect the video driver/monitor type in KDE system settings because they had been reset to generics, but that was it. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] ScottK: Which keyboard layout do you use? [01:15] It's one of the standard US ones. [01:15] Ah.. That would explain it, wouldn't it? :-) [01:15] ..since that's the default. === ScottK thinks PC104 [01:16] I have Feisty on my laptop that's packed up at the moment. [01:16] GNOME fixed it for me, but what if someone wasn't running GNOME or any other DE that fixes it? Maybe xorg should fetch it from the console configuration somehow. === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] Or maybe just force dpkg-reconfigure after the install. [01:18] Perhaps. [01:18] If I'd had problems I couldn't fix in KDE, I'd have tried that before I tried deleting the xorg.conf [01:24] doko: ping => can I reject bug #88625 as python-elementtree is included in python2.5 ? [01:24] Malone bug 88625 in listen "missing dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88625 [01:25] Lutin: does it work with the elementtree from 2.5? [01:26] ScottK: Oh, I just renamed it, of course. [01:28] doko: do you what part of listen use it so that I can check ? [01:28] Of course. was just quoting your original post on the topic. [01:28] doko: if python-elementtree is included in python2.5, shouldn't it be just removed from the archive? [01:28]