[12:59] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's ok, the TB meeting was short & there was 1 MC rep :)
[12:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yay... read the backlog. thanks for being there ;)
[12:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I guess we should really start handling new member applications now. what do you think of temporarily using ubuntu-motu@l.u.c until motu-council-list is set up?
[12:59] <ajmitch> sistpoty: fine by me, I've talked to a couple of people who were proposed for ubuntu-dev
[12:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, cool, great :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> there were only 3 or 4 people I recognised on that list anyway :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> we can probably just send out a mail to them all explaining the new procedures, etc
[12:59] <sistpoty> sounds sane
[12:59] <ajmitch> inviting them to mail in their application if they have people to support them & they are ready
[01:05] <LaserJock_> I could blog it too. Or maybe we don't want it *that* advertised
[01:05] <ajmitch> not until the proper list is there
[01:05] <sistpoty> yes... otherwise it might end up chaotic... or with every 3rd post to motu being please use ... for membership applications ;)
[01:05] <zul> LaserJock_: liek no one reads your blog anyways
[01:05] <LaserJock_> heh, true
[01:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:06] <LaserJock_> *somebody* has to read it
[01:06] <ajmitch> I read it!
[01:06] <LaserJock_> oh yes, I need to start thinking about that
[01:07] <ajmitch> oh, the golden ponies!
[01:07] <sistpoty> I guess bddebian should get one for fixing universe... though I don't want to influence the jury in any way ;)
[01:08] <LaserJock_> I had fun with that, I hope people didn't think it was too weird
[01:08] <sistpoty> was great fun to read :)
[01:09] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off to bed now (trying to find a sane wake/sleep rythm the recent days *g*)
[01:09] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:09] <LaserJock_> cya sistpoty 
[01:10] <LaserJock_> heh
[01:10] <LaserJock_> I need somebody to make me a nice shiny golden pony
[01:10] <ajmitch> ah, you promised the next round in april/may
[01:10] <LaserJock_> my art sucks
[01:11] <LaserJock_> yes, every release
[01:12] <LaserJock_> yeah, I'll have to scare up some good movie titles to geekify
[01:13] <ajmitch> & some worthy candidates
[01:14] <LaserJock_> there's always worthy candidates
[01:15] <ajmitch> don't forget to mention holy holbach!
[01:16] <LaserJock_> oh man, I might have some fun with Council Grayskull ;-)
[01:16] <ajmitch> uh oh
[01:18] <zul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1ChfM94yQ
[01:18] <ajmitch> :P
[01:20] <imbrandon> LaserJock_, should be the orco awards ;) http://store.ticklespop.com/heorbupin.html
[01:20] <LaserJock_> oh, that is nice
[01:22] <LaserJock_> zul: oh man, that brought back some memories
[01:23] <LaserJock_> I'll defiantly have to link to that, so people get the context ;-)
[01:23] <zul> LaserJock_: yeppers..
[01:46] <LaserJock_> ajmitch: I'm up to 7 things compiled from source and still can't get scipy to load
[01:50] <ajmitch> I'm impressed
[01:59] <ajmitch> geser: what build-dep changes did you do for all those apt-using packages?
[02:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> hey
[02:32] <tuxmaniac> .
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> ,
[02:35] <bddebian> ;
[02:35] <ajmitch> very useful
[02:35] <ajmitch> now get to work
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> yeah yeah.  I'm waiting for my upstream to send me a new tarball (Friday)
[02:36] <ajmitch> there are still plenty of bugs in universe to fix
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> Any that someone who doesn't know how to write code can fix?
[02:37] <ajmitch> yep
[02:37] <ajmitch> there'll be plenty of packaging bugs
[02:37] <ajmitch> dive in & take a look :)
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> Point me to a list and I'll grep for ones within my capabilities.
[02:38] <bddebian> Who gave ajmitch the whip anyhow? :)
[02:38] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:38] <ajmitch> grepping is somewhat out of the question there
[02:38] <ajmitch> but you can use the tags, or the advanced search
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: Is there any way to narrow down "Universe packaging bugs in feisty"?
[02:39] <ajmitch> heh
[02:39] <ajmitch> it's easy to narrow something down to universe
[02:39] <ajmitch> far harder to know that something is packaging vs actual code bug
[02:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: you want me to quit?
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> all right
[02:40] <ajmitch> there are plans afoot to try & identify packaging bugs & tag them as such
[02:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, you pick it up, I'll quit :-)
[02:41] <Adri2000> tonyyarusso: tags packaging and bitesize
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> Adri2000: cool
[02:41] <ajmitch> Adri2000: are they being used at all yet?
[02:42] <bdmurray> speaking of bugs I'm working on a strings patch for qtparted and I am curious about what effect it will have on translations
[02:42] <Adri2000> ajmitch: yes, there are some bugs tagged so, but not really a lot
[02:43] <ajmitch> Adri2000: right, a whole 3 bugs tagged as packaging so far
[02:43] <ajmitch> the problem with tags, is finding people who are able & have the time to identify the bugs as such
[02:44] <bdmurray> I touch a fair number of bugs so could tag them when looking at them.
[02:44] <ajmitch> ok
[02:44] <ajmitch> do you think the bugsquad could tag some as well when triaging?
[02:44] <bdmurray> if I had some criteria
[02:44] <ajmitch> that's the hard part :)
[02:45] <bdmurray> After testing / trying it some I could add it to the process
[02:45] <ajmitch> broken dependencies, missing files in packages, etc
[02:45] <ajmitch> post/pre install script errors
[02:45] <ajmitch> issues with /var/run
[02:46] <ajmitch> the list would grow as you see more bugs
[02:47] <bdmurray> okay, I'll keep that in mind then.  Is adding tags in beta.lp any easier?
[02:47] <ajmitch> I don't think it's changed much in the new UI
[02:48] <bdmurray> In the old one you have to edit the description to reach the tags
[02:48] <keescook> ajmitch: if you go to launchpad.net/ (root dir) you can click "disable redirection"
[02:48] <bdmurray> which is extra step from regular work flow
[02:48] <ajmitch> interesting
[02:49] <ajmitch> looks like it's the same
[02:50] <ajmitch> might be worth filing a bug against malone to try & smooth out the workflow
[03:01] <bddebian> Gads I hate what look to be video (i.e. ATI) related bugs
[03:03] <jdong> UVFe fglrx!
[03:03] <jdong> (Uvfe Liberation Front?)
[03:03] <jdong> ULO?
[03:03] <ajmitch> Liberation Front of UVFe, not the UVFe Liberation Front!
[03:03] <ajmitch> heretics
[03:04] <jdong> pffft :)
[03:05] <PriceChild> "me want xgl"
[03:06] <mewantXGL> haha, see it's catching on....
[03:07] <zul> meh..
[03:08] <lotusleaf> hey, what about xgl? :)
[03:09] <bddebian> What about lgx?
[03:10] <thelsdj> we've had glx for years, why can't people just settle? :)
[03:10] <bddebian> Man bug triaging sucks these days
[03:11] <thelsdj> i only tried triage for the first time the other day, there was a time when it didn't suck?
[03:13] <bddebian> I mean we now have bugs old enough to not know what distro they were posted on, etc ,etc
[03:13] <thelsdj> yea actually the first few bugs i worked on were from over 6 months ago
[03:14] <thelsdj> first one the guy had actually changed companies and said he thought the company no longer used that program :)
[03:14] <darkmatter> me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! 
[03:14] <darkmatter> me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! 
[03:14] <darkmatter> me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! me want XGL! 
[03:17] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:18] <ajmitch> welcome back, LaserJock 
[03:18] <LaserJock> *$%@&!)
[03:19] <ajmitch> no luck yet?
[03:19] <LaserJock> no, and the uni's DNS servers must have died
[03:19] <ajmitch> ouch
[03:19] <LaserJock> I just left and went home
[03:20] <LaserJock> but I actually did get things to work
[03:21] <ajmitch> good
[03:21] <LaserJock> python 2.5, matplotlib, and gfortran as binaries. fftw, numpy, scipy from source
[03:22] <LaserJock> I will never complain about Ubuntu/Debian python
[03:23] <LaserJock> well, you're right, I probably will
[03:23] <LaserJock> but it's nothing to the OS X insanity
[03:24] <LaserJock> I think there was maybe only 1 package I downloaded today (I probably got like 20 total today) that had a build number or unique versioning
[03:24] <LaserJock> they'd have like 3 or 4 different builds all with the same filename and no data associated
[03:25] <LaserJock> so I had to try each one to figure out which one worked
[03:29] <LaserJock> wow, the whole uni is down
[03:29] <LaserJock> I can't even get to the website
[03:33] <ajmitch> impressive
[03:37] <bddebian> Is there a command line pdf reader?
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: pdftotext?
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: thx
[03:49] <bddebian> Where the heck is the logfile of --logfile to pbuilder kept?
[03:51] <zul> how about reading the man page
[03:52] <bddebian> How about kissing my ass?
[03:53] <zul> er...not tonight
[03:58] <bddebian> Does this tell you where it puts it?
[03:58] <bddebian>        --logfile [file to log] 
[03:58] <bddebian>               Specifies  the logfile to create.  The messages generated during
[03:58] <bddebian>               execution will be written to the file, instead of messages  com
[03:58] <bddebian>               ing to the standard output.
[03:59] <jdong> it tells you it puts it where you tell it to put it.
[03:59] <jdong> --logfile /tmp/pbuilder.log puts it at /tmp/pbuilder.log
[03:59] <jdong> --logfile /dev/stdout annoys the heck out of you
[03:59] <jdong> --logfile /dev/dsp is more interesting for annoying coworkers.
[04:02] <bddebian> So a path is required?  Because saying --logfile foo goes nowhere
[04:02] <bddebian> I would expect it in the cwd
[04:02] <jdong> I think by the time it transfers control cwd does not make much sense
[04:02] <jdong> try with an absolute path
[04:02] <jdong> that's definitely worked for me
[04:02] <Adri2000> or just --pkgname-logfile
[04:03] <Adri2000> it will put the .build in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[04:03] <bddebian> jdong: Thx
[04:04] <jdong> hi Hobbsee 
[04:04] <jdong> how's Xgl? broken you may say?
[04:04] <jdong> how very true
[04:04] <jdong> it's a great day.
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:07] <Hobbsee> heya jdong, bddebian 
[04:07] <jdong> :)
[04:23] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[04:48] <gpocentek> morning
[04:48] <ajmitch> hi gpocentek 
[04:48] <ajmitch> how are you?
[04:48] <gpocentek> hello ajmitch 
[04:48] <gpocentek> I'm fine, you?
[04:48] <ajmitch> good :)
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek
[04:49] <gpocentek> hello bddebian 
[04:49] <ajmitch> just doing some setup on a new server
[04:49] <gpocentek> ajmitch: I'm a bit confused, you can ACK main UVF exceptions?
[04:50] <gpocentek> I tought that only Colin and Matt could do this...
[04:51] <bddebian> Gah..
[05:05] <LaserJock_> for goodness sakes
[05:05] <LaserJock_> I hate stupid weather
[05:06] <bddebian> stupid weather?
[05:07] <LaserJock_> we are getting lots of snow here (at least for this area)
[05:07] <RAOF> It's just about to really, really rain here.
[05:07] <RAOF> Nice thunderstorm :)
[05:07] <bddebian> LaserJock_: Ah
[05:07] <LaserJock_> my DSL is the most unstable I've ever seen it
[05:08] <LaserJock_> and the uni internet is completly down
[05:11] <LaserJock_> bddebian: how are you doing this evening?
[05:12] <bddebian> OK I guess, thanks.  You?
[05:13] <LaserJock_> other than this stupid internet connection I"m doing fine
[05:14] <LaserJock_> you know you are addicted when your internet at work goes down and you just have to pack up and leave
[05:16] <bddebian> LaserJock_: Yep :)
[05:16] <ajmitch> gpocentek: no, did I accidentally do that?
[05:17] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[05:17] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:17] <Toadstool> hey bddebian 
[05:18] <LaserJock_> ajmitch: hehe, now you're on ubuntu-uvf? ;-)
[05:18] <ajmitch> gpocentek: they were assigned to motu-uvf by some helpful person, I didn't realise they were in main
[05:18] <ajmitch> sigh, caravena is gone so I can't tell him off *again*
[05:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock_: no, I was looking at motu-uvf bugs
[05:19] <LaserJock_> I know, I'm just teasing
[05:19] <ajmitch> again & again
[05:20] <ajmitch> some people can be more of a hindrance than a help
[05:21] <ajmitch> some people can be just annoying & make you want to avoid irc altogether :)
[05:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it'd be awesome if we could associate teams with a component
[05:24] <LaserJock> so motu-uvf could only be assigned/subscribed to bugs on Universe packages
[05:25] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:25] <bddebian> jdong: nah, ajmitch is talking about me :-)
[05:25] <jdong> bddebian: I've been kinda pushy and obnoxious today too
[05:25] <jdong> I'm sorry, ajmitch 
[05:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, it's jdong :)
[05:26] <Q-FUNK> is Feisty slated to become an LTS release?
[05:27] <ajmitch> no
[05:27] <Q-FUNK> when is the next LTS release coming?
[05:27] <Q-FUNK> any info on that?
[05:28] <Q-FUNK> someone is asking me on another network :)
[05:28] <ajmitch> when it's decided that upstream projects are in a suitable state for it to be useful & stable
[05:28] <ajmitch> eg not when a whole lot of new stuff has just been introduced
[05:28] <LaserJock> in other words, there isn't a set schedule for LTS releases
[05:29] <LaserJock> it's just when Mark reads the tea leaves and says "Ah hah, this is an LTS!"
[05:29] <_ion> The next LTS release will probably come before feisty+10.
[05:30] <LaserJock> I really don't think they'll want 2 LTSs at the same time
[05:30] <Toadstool> "when it's ready" ;)
[05:32] <LaserJock> anybody know of a really easy to setup and use wiki? like for my own use
[05:33] <_ion> Tomboy :-)
[05:34] <LaserJock> well,  I want to put it on my server
[05:34] <Toadstool> eww, MONO... (no offence ajmitch :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> it's not personal as in local, just personal as in I'm the only one using it
[05:35] <LaserJock> Toadstool: not a mono fan huh?
[05:36] <Toadstool> LaserJock: I'd say moinmoin
[05:36] <LaserJock> that's still quite a bit of effort for 1 person's use
[05:36] <LaserJock> although I do like moin
[05:36] <Toadstool> true
[05:36] <ajmitch> Toadstool: get over it
[05:36] <Toadstool> :)
[05:36] <LaserJock> I was thinking of ikiwiki
[05:37] <LaserJock> that wiki compiler that's on planet Debian (Joey Hess?)
[05:37] <Toadstool> never used it but it looks really good
[05:37] <Toadstool> yep joeyh
[05:40] <LaserJock> also phpwiki but it looks so messy
[05:41] <nixternal> LaserJock: was that pkg a tad bit better this time around?
[05:41] <LaserJock> building it now
[05:42] <Toadstool> LaserJock: the thing I dislike in phpwiki is the php part :)
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, I've been getting into it lately so I don't know that I mind so much
[05:44] <Toadstool> I had so many bad experiences with PHP in the past 2 years that I totally banned it from my own server
[05:44] <LaserJock> but I also figured out how to get mod_python working
[05:44] <LaserJock> bad in what way?
[05:44] <Toadstool> bad in that I worked on crappy PHP code and I got sick of it
[05:45] <LaserJock> ah
[05:45] <LaserJock> I thought bad as in security stuff
[05:45] <Toadstool> maybe it was just because it was really badly coded but still...
[05:46] <_ion> http://tnx.nl/php.jpg
[05:46] <Toadstool> :)
[06:18] <SEJeff> _ion: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.phpi/2b100e19/fuck_mod_perl.jpg
[06:21] <g0su> Jajajajaj
[06:21] <Hobbsee> g0su: ?
[06:22] <g0su> Hobbsee, see one line up
[06:22] <Hobbsee> oh...gotcha
[06:23] <Hobbsee> dholbach, and another guy, it seems
[06:24] <Toadstool> which one?
[06:24] <Toadstool> (hi Hobbsee btw)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[06:28] <Toadstool> that's a nice FAQ
[06:50] <Toadstool> everybody, hide! :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> argh!!!
[06:50] <ajmitch> great
[06:51] <Toadstool> oh come on
[06:52] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:19] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: ponies got a mention in jono's community talk at LCA.
[07:19] <ajmitch> yay
[07:20] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: http://www.tinfc.org/pony.jpg <-- like these ponies? :)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> yep :P
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <ajmitch> hey, holy holbach!
[07:56] <dholbach> hey ajmitch :)
[07:56] <ajmitch> just a one off, eh? ;)
[07:57] <dholbach> I'll talk to him on friday *GRRRRR* :)
[07:57] <ajmitch> haha
[08:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: luckily I happened to be on irc when the TB meeting was on :)
[08:01] <ajmitch> so we had 1 MC rep 
[08:02] <dholbach> I prodded the sysadmin team again, just now.
[08:02] <ajmitch> ok
[08:02] <ajmitch> sadly LP is down for a couple of hours right now
[08:03] <dholbach> did somebody mail caravena and tell him not to meddle with the motu-uvf process?
[08:03] <ajmitch> he was in -motu earlier
[08:03] <dholbach> did somebody tell him?
[08:03] <ajmitch> confused me, I ended up ACKing a couple of main UVF requests :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> yes
[08:03] <dholbach> ok good
[08:03] <ajmitch> we'll see if he got the message
[08:08] <elkbuntu> dholbach, you should ask for 'huggy holbach' instead :
[08:08] <dholbach> elkbuntu: hahaha, good idea :)
[08:19] <giftnudel> Is there a documentation or policy on how to pack python extensions (with .so files) in ubuntu? 
[08:20] <dholbach> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[08:20] <giftnudel> ah, thanks a lot!
[08:32] <giftnudel> when you are syncing from debian, you are syncing from unstable correct?
[08:34] <LaserJock> giftnudel: usually yes
[08:34] <LaserJock> every once in a while we grab from experimental
[08:34] <giftnudel> ok
[08:35] <giftnudel> I need a package in ubuntu but it would also be nice in debian, so I hope to have it in in the next release (feisty+1)
[08:36] <giftnudel> but want to get it in debian first ;)
[08:39] <giftnudel> what is the preferred tool to use? python-support or python-central?
[08:40] <LaserJock> python-central I think
[08:43] <giftnudel> yes, thanks, I now have a package which is exactly what I need, so I can look things up now
[10:25] <LaserJock> man I love Python!
[10:26] <RAOF> :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> don't we all?
[10:26] <RAOF> Python-cairo: for when you want to draw a postscript image for latex, but don't want to deal with a crazy stack-based language :)
[10:32] <LaserJock> I mean, you guys know how much of a programmer I'm not
[10:32] <LaserJock> but tonight I wrote a script that plots my data in a nice GUI window
[10:32] <LaserJock> I click on two point of data
[10:32] <ajmitch> we know you're a programmer :)
[10:33] <LaserJock> and it averages the data between the two points and spits out new data normalized to that averaged value
[10:33] <LaserJock> and wc -l tells me it took 63 lines
[10:33] <LaserJock> probably only 40 of real code
[10:33] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  Python rocks :)
[10:34] <LaserJock> that's with grabing mouse click events
[10:34] <LaserJock> sweetness
[10:35] <LaserJock> I should ask my advisor to do *that* in Fortran
[10:41] <LaserJock> well, with that I'm done for the night/morning
[10:42] <LaserJock> not even 2am
[10:42] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:42] <LaserJock> even managed to install mediawiki too
[11:21] <jamyskis> morning everybody
[11:23] <Hobbsee> heya jamyskis 
[11:24] <jamyskis> im having another crack at building debian packages - can i just hang about and throw in random questions should something go wrong?
[11:25] <ajmitch> sure, hopefully there'll be someone awake to answer
[11:25] <jamyskis> heeh
[11:25] <jamyskis> heheh
[11:25] <jamyskis> thanks
[11:27] <jamyskis> grr using gaim to access irc channels is not recommended
[11:28] <Hobbsee> no.  xchat is far better
[11:28] <Hobbsee> if you're in gnome-land
[11:28] <jamyskis> ill switch over later when im finished with this
[11:28] <jamyskis> yep :-)
[11:31] <jamyskis> ok xchat it is then hehe
[11:33] <ajmitch> night all, see you later
[11:33] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch 
[11:34] <jamyskis> night ajmitch
[11:38] <KriS83> Good morning.
[11:38] <jamyskis> morning KriS83
[11:38] <jamyskis> uk=
[11:38] <jamyskis> ?
[11:39] <KriS83> I have a short, simple and probably freaquently asked question. MOTU Packages are supported how long?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> KriS83: for released versions?
[11:39] <KriS83> yepp
[11:39] <KriS83> e.g. Dapper
[11:39] <Hobbsee> KriS83: same as thes ones in main
[11:39] <dholbach> They're not supported by canonical
[11:39] <Hobbsee> iirc
[11:39] <Hobbsee> ie, we can still push security fixes, though
[11:39] <KriS83> So we would also have LTS of MOTU packages.
[11:40] <dholbach> it's as long as community members step up for fixing the issue.
[11:40] <KriS83> k
[11:40] <Hobbsee> KriS83: ie, they'll probably be updated, as long as someone steps up and does it, but neither canonical or MOTU commits to everything being fine, with no security vulnerabilities.
[11:41] <KriS83> I'm just setting up a server on dapper. And I require some packages from universe. e.g. scponly & tripwire
[11:42] <KriS83> Just donjust wanted to make sure the packages don't just "disapear" in a couple of months
[11:43] <Hobbsee> no, nothing disappears from the archive, unless it has a *very* good reason to
[11:43] <Hobbsee> which, iirc, doesnt exist
[11:53] <jamyskis> When you're creating the rules file for a debian package, can you simply copy part of the original source distribution's makefile? The makefile for my game was actually generated automatically by Anjuta and I'm not too clear on them
[11:54] <Hobbsee> jamyskis: you shouldnt need to modify the makefile at all
[11:54] <Hobbsee> debhelper picks it up
[11:54] <Hobbsee> (or should)
[11:54] <jamyskis> ah right...because I'm creating from scratch here :-p
[11:55] <jamyskis> can i do the whole thing from scratch and still let debhelper take over creating the rules file?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> seen teh packaging guide?
[11:56] <jamyskis> i have it printed right in front of me here
[11:57] <jamyskis> at least the bit about packaging from scratch
[11:57] <jamyskis> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[12:00] <Hobbsee> you dont usually need more than the files that are listed in there
[12:03] <jamyskis> so can i just copy the makefile that's there?
[12:03] <jamyskis> and modify that a bit?
[12:03] <jamyskis> Ian Jackson's example one I mean
[12:10] <slomo> giskard: hi... will you update libnotify/notification-daemon?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> jamyskis: ian jackson's?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> jamyskis: oh, debian/rules is not the same as the makefile, btw
[12:20] <jamyskis> just figured that out hehe
[12:20] <jamyskis> im just looking through each section in the tutorial and looking to see if i can understand each bit of it
[12:20] <jamyskis> at least to a degree
[12:27] <jamyskis> ok because I've written my game in c++ it stands to reason that i have to change cc to g++ (not gcc) and src/$(package).c to src/$(package).cpp right?
[12:56] <shawarma> It seems that all the rage these days is deleting your xorg.conf after installing Xorg 7.2... What about keyboard settings? Where do they come from? Should I just be creating a xorg.conf with just that info in it?
[01:13] <ScottK> shawarma: When I upgraded to 7.2 I had to reselect the video driver/monitor type in KDE system settings because they had been reset to generics, but that was it.
[01:15] <shawarma> ScottK: Which keyboard layout do you use?
[01:15] <ScottK> It's one of the standard US ones.
[01:15] <shawarma> Ah.. That would explain it, wouldn't it? :-) 
[01:15] <shawarma> ..since that's the default.
[01:16] <ScottK> I have Feisty on my laptop that's packed up at the moment.
[01:16] <shawarma> GNOME fixed it for me, but what if someone wasn't running GNOME or any other DE that fixes it? Maybe xorg should fetch it from the console configuration somehow.
[01:17] <ScottK> Or maybe just force dpkg-reconfigure after the install.
[01:18] <shawarma> Perhaps.
[01:18] <ScottK> If I'd had problems I couldn't fix in KDE, I'd have tried that before I tried deleting the xorg.conf
[01:24] <Lutin> doko: ping => can I reject bug #88625 as python-elementtree is included in python2.5 ?
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88625 in listen "missing dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88625
[01:25] <doko> Lutin: does it work with the elementtree from 2.5?
[01:26] <shawarma> ScottK: Oh, I just renamed it, of course.
[01:28] <Lutin> doko: do you what part of listen use it so that I can check ?
[01:28] <ScottK> Of course.  was just quoting your original post on the topic.
[01:28] <Adri2000> doko: if python-elementtree is included in python2.5, shouldn't it be just removed from the archive?
[01:28] <doko> Lutin: no, you may have to look at the source
[01:28] <doko> Adri2000: no, we still support python2.4
[01:29] <Adri2000> ok
[01:29] <jamyskis> ok pbuilder is causing me as many headaches as it ever did
[01:30] <jamyskis> i tried passing the extra mirrors to it and added liballegro4.2 liballegro4.2-dev as extra packages but when i come to run sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc the makefile claims the allegro headers aren't there
[01:30] <jamyskis> but the game compiles fine otherwise without pbuilder
[01:30] <jamyskis> can anyone help?
[01:41] <jamyskis> anyone?
[01:41] <Adri2000> bigon: the team you should subscribe for your your sync requests is ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:42] <bigon> Adri2000: oups
[01:44] <bigon> I've been a little bit to quick
[01:54] <chx> Hi. Is there any way to make Package drupal disappear and be replaced with Package drupal-4.7 ? Drupal 4.5 (which is the version in the 'drupal' package) is not supported for almost a year now...
[01:58] <shawarma> Could someone from the motu-uvf team check if I've added enough info to bug #88642 ?
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88642 in network-manager-openvpn "UVF: 0.3.2svn2315 -> 0.3.2svn2342" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88642
[01:59] <shawarma> I looks awfully short, but it seems to fulfill the requirements laid out on the wiki.
[02:05] <jdong> that's what she said?
[02:06] <shawarma> Yes, she was very clear. I *does* indeed fulfill the requirements. :-)
[02:34] <jamyskis> hi everybody...i have a question about pbuilder
[02:35] <jamyskis> i have a game ive written which relies on the liballegro4.2-dev package
[02:35] <jamyskis> ive managed to get through dpkg-buildpackage no problems
[02:35] <jamyskis> but i cant get my head around pbuilder
[02:36] <jamyskis> ive tried creating it, editing /etc/apt/sources.list and installing liballegro4.2-dev so it can compile from within the pbuilder environment
[02:36] <jamyskis> but everytime i exit the environment it just deletes the lot again
[02:36] <jamyskis> i've tried pbuilder build adding the --othermirrors and --extrapackages switches
[02:36] <jamyskis> no luck
[02:37] <jamyskis> it cant find the allegro headers full stop
[02:37] <shawarma> jamyskis: Your debian/control should list liballegro4.2-dev as a build-depends.
[02:37] <jamyskis> can anyone help here?
[02:37] <shawarma> jamyskis: That will make your pbuilder pull it in.
[02:37] <jamyskis> i'll give it a try - thanks shawarma
[02:37] <shawarma> jamyskis: np
[02:52] <jamyskis> hmmm didnt work
[02:52] <jamyskis> i included liballegro4.2-dev in the rules fine
[02:52] <jamyskis> *file
[02:53] <jamyskis> but it didn't pull it in
[02:53] <jamyskis> this is where i came unstuck both times before and after a week of trying i just gave up both times
[02:56] <Adri2000> jamyskis: not in debian/rules
[02:56] <Adri2000> jamyskis: add it to the Build-Depends in debian/control
[02:57] <jamyskis> Adri2000: sorry my bad - i did put it in debian/control
[02:57] <jamyskis> don't know why i wrote rules
[02:57] <jamyskis> in any case it didn't pull it in
[02:58] <Adri2000> jamyskis: pbuilder didn't download it and install it?
[02:58] <jamyskis> nope
[02:58] <jamyskis> Adri2000: im just completely wiping the source distribution and temp files and trying again from scratch with the debian config files
[03:01] <jamyskis> Adri2000: nope - is definitely not downloading and installing it
[03:01] <Adri2000> jamyskis: did you rebuild the source package?
[03:02] <jamyskis> Adri2000: yep - i wiped the .dsc files and rebuilt the source package with the new debian/control and it wouldn't pull it in
[03:02] <jamyskis> Adri2000: hold on, ill post a copy of my debian/control on my site so you can read it
[03:02] <jamyskis> Adri2000: i dont know if im doing something wrong here
[03:04] <jamyskis> http://www.jamyskis.net/control.txt
[03:05] <Adri2000> jamyskis: Build-Depends != Depends
[03:06] <Adri2000> Build-Depends is for the source package, in order to build it. Depends are for binary packages, they are the dependencies needed to use the program.
[03:06] <jamyskis> Adri2000: so what should i put in there?
[03:07] <jamyskis> So it would be Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:07] <Adri2000> first, a binary package doesn't depend on a -dev package
[03:07] <jamyskis> and Build-Depends: liballegro4.2 ?
[03:07] <jamyskis> sorry wrong way around
[03:07] <Adri2000> binary package: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:07] <Adri2000> source package: Build-Depends: liballegro4.2-dev
[03:08] <jamyskis> would i include liballegro4.2 in the Depends section as well?
[03:08] <jamyskis> not liballegro4.2-dev
[03:08] <Adri2000> no, it's ${shlibs:Depends}'s job
[03:08] <jamyskis> ok
[03:08] <jamyskis> ill give that a try
[03:08] <jamyskis> thanks
[03:08] <Adri2000> but you are at least missing at B-D on debhelper
[03:09] <Adri2000> debhelper (>= 5)
[03:09] <jamyskis> what do you mean?
[03:09] <jamyskis> ive not used debhelper much
[03:10] <jamyskis> i've tried it from scratch
[03:11] <Adri2000> jamyskis: you can't build a package without debhelper
[03:11] <Adri2000> jamyskis: debhelper is not dh_make
[03:13] <jamyskis> Adri2000: so the guide at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html is a bit misleading?
[03:13] <jamyskis> Adri2000: i always thought packaging with debhelper was an alternative way of doing it?
[03:14] <jamyskis> Adri2000: and the new debian/control still didn't pull it in
[03:16] <Adri2000> jamyskis: you can copy the build log somewhere please?
[03:16] <jamyskis> Adri2000: sure - hold on
[03:17] <jamyskis> Adri2000: ill upload it to my site although to save time there's one line that's caught my eye
[03:17] <jamyskis> Adri2000: "dpkg-source: warning: unknown information field `Build-Depends' in input data in package's section of control info file"
[03:18] <Adri2000> jamyskis: the B-D line should be just after the Standards-Version line
[03:19] <ScottK> !pasetbin might be useful here...
[03:19] <Adri2000> jamyskis: and your Standards-Version can be 3.7.2
[03:19] <ScottK> !pastebin that is
[03:19] <Adri2000> !pastebin | jamyskis 
[03:19] <ubotu> jamyskis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <jamyskis> Adri2000: ill copy the build log into the paste bin and try again with the new control file
[03:22] <jamyskis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7930/
[03:23] <jamyskis> yeeeee-haa looks like its pulled it in this time :-D
[03:24] <jamyskis> im saving printing and framing this transcript
[03:24] <jamyskis> lol
[03:24] <jamyskis> its failed again but i think i know why
[03:25] <jamyskis> typing error on my part
[03:29] <jamyskis> i think im good so far now...just a few minor problems to iron out
[03:29] <jamyskis> Adri2000 and ScottK: thank you very much - you're the best
[03:29] <jamyskis> pass my thanks on to Hobbsee too
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:45] <ScottK> Heya bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[03:51] <ScottK> So does it say on the wiki somewhere that just after Universe Feature Freeze is the time to upload your packages?  Seems to me like the rate jumped since the freeze...
[03:58] <jamyskis_> me again - there is one more problem with pbuilder
[03:59] <jamyskis_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7936/
[04:13] <jamyskis_> anyone?
[04:14] <ScottK> Sorry, I haven't tried pbuilder yet.  All the stuff I've done has been simple enough to do with debuild.
[04:15] <jamyskis_> ok i'll give it a crack with debuild in a sec
[04:15] <bddebian> jamyskis_: Did you use the default configuration?  Do you have /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ dir?
[04:17] <jamyskis_> bddebian: the directory exists and i've not changed the .pbuilderrc configuration
[04:20] <ScottK> jamyskis_: You do need to be careful if you use debuild that you have a clean build enviroment.  I've gotten burned on that more than once.  I should really use pbuilder.
[04:21] <jamyskis_> ScottK: could it be that the same applies for pbuilder? now that i know my debian files are ok i might try wiping the pbuilder environment completely, wiping my source package and starting anew
[04:21] <jamyskis_> ill get back to you on how this goes
[04:28] <bddebian> jamyskis_: This is a little interesting also:  dpkg-deb: building package `naughts-and-crosses' in `debian/tmp.deb'.
[04:28] <bddebian> tar: -: file name read contains nul character
[04:46] <geser> ajmitch: for those apt-using packages I've changed the versioned build-depends on libapt-pkg-dev to depend on at least 0.6.46.4ubuntu8 (the last ABI change)
[04:47] <jamyskis_> bddebian: why would it be writing to tmp.deb? i see in the log but that is weird
[04:53] <bddebian> jamyskis_: Do you pass anything to dh_installdeb or dh_builddeb?
[04:53] <jamyskis_> bddebian: not as far as im aware
[04:58] <bddebian> jamyskis_: In debian/rules, you don't have dh_installdeb or dh_builddeb with -pfoo or anything?
[04:59] <jamyskis_> bddebian: no but i have dpkg --build debian/tmp in there
[05:02] <jamyskis_> bddebian: i think i've just spotted my mistake
[05:02] <jamyskis_> bddebian: dpkg --build needs a destination directory too which i haven't declared
[05:02] <jamyskis_> bddebian: it should be dpkg --build debian/tmp .. right?
[05:05] <jamyskis_> bddebian: it was - it fixed it
[05:05] <jamyskis_> i just need to see if the debian package works ok now
[05:07] <jamyskis_> ok i screwed up the postinst file but otherwise it works fine :)
[05:07] <jamyskis_> thanks very much for your help guys
[05:17] <sacater> is gpocentek still asleep
[05:51] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:54] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:22] <giskard> slomo, i have to fix t-sharp and upload libtp
[06:22] <giskard> and the new gabble if dholbach didn't upload it.
[06:22] <giskard> i can do notify+notification-d
[06:23] <giskard> but not now
[06:23] <giskard> maybe tonight
[06:23] <dholbach> giskard: no, didn't do that yet
[06:23] <dholbach> and none of the other telepathy uploads
[06:23] <dholbach> i'm quite busy atm :-/
[06:24] <dholbach> hey siretart
[06:24] <giskard> dholbach, oki! thank you
[06:56] <tsmithe> how long does a package take to get through NEW?
[06:57] <bddebian> Depends
[06:58] <dholbach> Accessibility Team meeting in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting.
[06:58] <bddebian> They are processed manually so there is no set time
[07:01] <tsmithe> bddebian, ok. /me is impatient and worrying about wired and enblend
[07:06] <bddebian> tsmithe: Understood, I have a couple in NEW too
[07:06] <tsmithe> :)
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:36] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[07:45] <sacater> hi all i got an encrypted message about my GPG key, its encrypted
[07:45] <sacater> how do i decrypt it with my key
[07:49] <sacater> erm hello anyone
[07:49] <sacater> me need help
[07:53] <Adri2000> sacater: are you trying to decrypt your revu password?
[07:53] <sacater> erm
[07:53] <sacater> no
[07:53] <sacater> a message sent from noreply.launchpad.net
[07:54] <Adri2000> gpg --decrypt, see man gpg
[08:01] <bipolar> lifeless: ping
[08:14] <imbrandon> wtf
[08:14] <imbrandon> The following NEW packages will be installed: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-gtk compiz-plugins desktop-effects libdecoration0 libgdiplus
[08:15] <imbrandon> ummm i thought we wernt doing copiz/beryl
[08:15] <imbrandon> compiz*
[08:15] <Adri2000> not enabled by default but installed by default
[08:16] <zul> imbrandon: you like it..
[08:17] <imbrandon> that sucks 
[08:19] <imbrandon> i hope to hell kubuntu dosent do it, or i might me moving to pure debian and ubuntu server only
[08:19] <tsmithe> why?
[08:19] <tsmithe> it's not *that* bad!
[08:20] <finalbeta> it's coming sooner or later. No going around it.
[08:20] <imbrandon> when its ready yes, have you used it lately ?
[08:21] <finalbeta> No, it's not ready for me ;)
[08:21] <pochu> imbrandon: installing it by default will give us more feedback
[08:21] <finalbeta> but then again, rhythmbox totem and a bunch of other defaults are not ready also.
[08:21] <imbrandon> pochu, sure if your looking for a beta release, i doubt it will be removed before final, you dont put something in for feedback in a release
[08:21] <tsmithe> imbrandon, not ready here either
[08:22] <pochu> imbrandon: with edgy, we shiped firefox rc :)
[08:22] <imbrandon> and that was just as ignorant imho
[08:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:22] <imbrandon> and no "we" dident, we dont ship FF at all
[08:23] <tsmithe> "we"?
[08:23] <pochu> imbrandon: kubuntu?
[08:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:23] <tsmithe> ah
[08:23] <pochu> hehe
[08:23] <tsmithe> gtk is like way better, innit
[08:24] <finalbeta> yeah, it's just not being used to it's full potential ;)
[08:28] <leonel> Hello  MOTUs    I need  python2.4-psycopg2 on dapper   I already have done the  package      how can I make it to dapper oficial ?
[08:28] <tsmithe> nope
[08:31] <LaserJock> leonel: what do you mean?
[08:32] <leonel> LaserJock:   That if  the python2.4-psycopg2  can be included  in dapper   
[08:32] <LaserJock> leonel: it isn't in it already?
[08:34] <LaserJock> hehe, you never know
[08:34] <LaserJock> but no, we got it in Edgy
[08:34] <LaserJock> leonel: we don't add new packages to stable releases
[08:34] <leonel> LaserJock: no  it isn't  that's why I build the package  
[08:34] <leonel> LaserJock: how can it make to  backports ?
[08:35] <LaserJock> I'm not sure you can
[08:35] <LaserJock> talk to jdong or Mez 
[08:35] <Mez> hmm?
[08:35] <imbrandon> you can
[08:36] <imbrandon> just file a backport request and /possibly/ it will get backported if it dosent require much
[08:36] <imbrandon> heya Mez 
[08:36] <Mez> hi imbrandon 
[08:36] <leonel> imbrandon:  and  the security updates  will be done  too ?
[08:36] <imbrandon> no
[08:36] <Mez> !backports | leonel 
[08:36] <ubotu> leonel: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[08:37] <leonel> This is what I like   about  Ubuntu   
[08:37] <leonel> the people
[08:37] <leonel> Thanks 
[08:40] <leonel> I'll request  to be backported   
[08:40] <leonel> Can I help with the backport ?
[08:41] <imbrandon> there isnt much to do we just test it and check the deps then approve/disapprove, then everthing is done by the ftpmasters
[08:43] <leonel> imbrandon: ok thanks
[08:44] <imbrandon> brb
[08:48] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:48] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[08:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:48] <ajmitch> what's up?
[08:49] <imbrandon> nadda
[08:49] <imbrandon> just grumbling
[08:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:50] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:50] <tsmithe> imbrandon doesn't like compiz being default
[08:50] <ajmitch> he can live with it
[08:50] <ajmitch> nothing's forcing him to use it
[08:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:55] <doko> dholbach: do we need a UVF exception for the wxwidgets2.8 package from bddebian ? it's a new / non-conflicting package
[08:55] <dholbach> doko: yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-3545adef94d4dc79d5392ddb1f51b9ac30ab0861
[08:56] <lifeless> bipolar: ?
[08:57] <bipolar> lifeless: are you the maintainer for the opensync packages?
[08:57] <lifeless> one of, yes
[08:58] <bipolar> lifeless: ah, I was wondering if updated packages are in the works for feisty?
[08:58] <doko> bddebian: your task? ;-P
[08:58] <sacater> hi im being MOTU mentoreed, i dont suppose anyone knows of a small package with an easy bug to fix :p
[08:59] <lifeless> bipolar: oh, has a new release happened ? I can update them week after next probably
[08:59] <LaserJock> sacater: you might want to check the bugs tacked packaging or bitesize
[08:59] <bipolar> lifeless: yeah... two new releases. .21 is out now
[08:59] <LaserJock> sacater: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO
[08:59] <lifeless> file bugs asking for updates, :)
[09:00] <bipolar> lifeless: that was my next step, but in #opensync they know you :)
[09:00] <sacater> Laserjock: k thanks
[09:01] <ajmitch> lifeless: you'll have to get freeze exceptions 
[09:01] <lifeless> bipolar: :)
[09:02] <lifeless> ajmitch: right, and thus we'll need bugs :). I also need to see how big a dependency hell we're looking at, opensync is rather high up the stack.
[09:07] <bddebian> doko: I think they kind of decided that they didn't want it yet, did they?
[09:08] <bddebian> ajmitch: ^^  Didn't you and sistpoty think we should wait?
[09:09] <ajmitch> no, I was just making sure we had a decent package, since wx is not terribly nice
[09:09] <ajmitch> & that it wouldn't break anything
[09:10] <sacater> how does the 'bugs assigned to me' thing work
[09:12] <sacater> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456 this bug looks fine, and I can make a .desktop file for it, but how do i access the main package to add it in
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[09:12] <doko> bddebian: you did leave out the changelog entries from the existing 2.8 package
[09:12] <LaserJock> sacater: apt-get source tea
[09:13] <sacater> LaserJock: ty
[09:13] <LaserJock> sacater: read the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[09:13] <bddebian> doko: Existing 2.8 package?
[09:13] <LaserJock> !packaging > sacater 
[09:14] <bddebian> There is also a problem with control.in and python-V.xml that I would need to fix
[09:14] <nixternal> boo
[09:14] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[09:14] <nixternal> hiya
[09:14] <nixternal> LaserJock: I have class tonight, any ideas what we should do with the edubuntu-docs package?
[09:15] <nixternal> shoot, I need to get in the shower
[09:15] <LaserJock> nixternal: you get it fixed up?
[09:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that reminds me. what would be the UVF policy for native packages?
[09:15] <nixternal> oh wait, ya I removed the makefile. the only issue left was ../../../ubuntu for the xml headers
[09:16] <doko> bddebian: yes, on the website
[09:16] <nixternal> ubuntu-docs are installed under gnome/help/ubuntu-docs and not gnome/help/ubuntu
[09:16] <nixternal> that was the only fix left iirc
[09:19] <bddebian> Crap, I don't think I even used the package on that site, I grabbed the tarball
[09:20] <jdong> can UVFe bug 87687 please be evaluated?
[09:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[09:20] <jdong> and its priority should be higher than wishlist
[09:20] <jdong> xserver-xgl is unusable on Feisty without it
[09:20] <doko> bddebian: I think, just use the tarball, but add all patches as a diff
[09:21] <bddebian> doko: iirc the only real "patch" that I could re-add was the python2.5 transition
[09:22] <doko> bddebian: no, I mean the diff between the upstream tarball and the .orig.tar.gz found on that site
[09:24] <sacater> whats the command to add a new entry to a changelog
[09:24] <bddebian> sacater: dch -i
[09:24] <jdong> dch
[09:24] <bddebian> doko: Ah
[09:24] <sacater> bddebian: ty
[09:30] <sacater> when adding a desktop file to a package that dosnt have it, do i need to edit some sort of file that dictates where everything goes on the system
[09:30] <Adri2000> jdong: that one is for ajmitch :D
[09:30] <sacater> and add the desktop file
[09:31] <jdong> Adri2000: I've directed that at him like 10 times within the past week already :D
[09:31] <Adri2000> I know, and I know he seems to love it :p
[09:32] <Adri2000> sacater: yes, first the .desktop file should be in the debian/ directory (debian/tea.desktop) and then you need to tell the package to install it in /usr/share/applications/
[09:33] <sacater> Adri2000L thought so, but how do i tell it to install it there
[09:33] <sacater> what file do i edit
[09:33] <Adri2000> there are multiple ways to do that, so it depends on the package, let me look
[09:34] <sacater> Adri2000: ok
[09:35] <sacater> Adri2000: i di apt-cache source tea, and ive made a .desktop file in debian, now i Just to add in the command of where it puts it
[09:36] <Adri2000> sacater: you can use debian/tea.install
[09:36] <sacater> Adri2000: de jai vous, i opened that right as you said it :P
[09:37] <sacater> Adri2000: thansk anyway :D
[09:37] <Adri2000> now I let you try to find what to put in it ;)
[09:37] <sacater> oh easy
[09:38] <sacater> debian/tea.desktop /usr/share/applications
[09:38] <sacater> Adri2000: 
[09:38] <Adri2000> yep
[09:38] <sacater> Adri2000: LD
[09:38] <sacater> :D
[09:38] <sacater> Adri2000: now i make my additon to the changelog?
[09:38] <Adri2000> correct, dch -i (if you haven't done it before)
[09:40] <sacater> Adri2000: already done actually, it reads,.....  tea (12.0-2) unstable; urgency=low
[09:40] <sacater>   * tea.desktop file added
[09:40] <sacater>  -- sacater <sacater@neo>  Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:25:36 +0000
[09:40] <sacater> is that correct and nice?
[09:40] <Adri2000> wrong version, wrong distro
[09:41] <sacater> Adri2000: how should it read?
[09:42] <Adri2000> anyway, you didn't download the last version
[09:43] <Adri2000> tea |   14.2.4-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[09:43] <sacater> Adri2000: oh poo
[09:44] <sacater> Adri2000: whats the correct URL
[09:44] <Adri2000> add the feisty deb-src in your sources.list
[09:45] <sacater> Adri2000: erm, last time i went to the feisty archives and downloaded the package manually
[09:45] <sacater> Adri2000: know the URL
[09:48] <sacater> Adri2000: ah never mind i got the latest version from here http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/source/tea
[09:49] <siretart> huhu dh
[09:49] <siretart> argl
[09:51] <bddebian> huhu siretart
[09:51] <siretart> huhu bddebian :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> siretart!
[09:53] <siretart> hi LaserJock 
[09:55] <bddebian> Jesus, are there ANY wireless chipsets that aren't freakin broadcom anymore?
[09:55] <imbrandon> heh
[09:55] <imbrandon> a few, but they are more expensive
[09:55] <sacater> Adri2000: Okay i have made the neccessary changes and tried to rebuild the package except i get the Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[09:55] <sacater>  signfile tea_14.2.4-3.dsc sacater <sacater@neo>
[09:55] <sacater> gpg: skipped "sacater <sacater@neo>": secret key not available
[09:55] <sacater> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[09:55] <sacater> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[09:56] <sacater> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[09:56] <sacater> running debsign failed
[09:56] <sacater> sacater@neo:~/tea/tea-14.2.4$ 
[09:56] <sacater> 
[09:56] <Adri2000> sacater: you do have a gpg key I hope?
[09:56] <sacater> why cant it find my gpg :S, because it works fine with everything like the code of conduct
[09:56] <sacater> Adri2000: yes
[09:56] <sacater> Adri2000: i signed the code of conduct with it
[09:56] <Adri2000> sacater <sacater@neo>
[09:57] <sacater> and?
[09:57] <Adri2000> you should change that with your real name and your real email address
[09:57] <tsmithe> that's a local email address, but shouldn't be the problem
[09:57] <sacater> erm no thats not it, could it be it simply cant find my gpg key, because i know its there
[09:58] <sacater> i reckon it used those by default
 [...]  your real email address
[09:58] <sacater> what you want my email>
[09:58] <Adri2000> put your real email address in the changelog, the email address which is in your gpg key, and that will work
[09:59] <sacater> Adr2000: i registered with code of conduct, and set my gpg key up fine, it worked and had my proper address there
[09:59] <sacater> Adri2000: i reckon youre right :D
[10:00] <sacater> Adri2000: okay lets see what happens this time....
[10:00] <sacater> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[10:00] <sacater>  signfile tea_14.2.4-3.dsc sacater <sacater@btopenworld.com>
[10:00] <sacater> gpg: skipped "sacater <sacater@btopenworld.com>": secret key not available
[10:00] <sacater> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[10:00] <sacater> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[10:00] <sacater> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[10:00] <sacater> running debsign failed
[10:00] <sacater> sacater@neo:~/tea/tea-14.2.4$ 
[10:00] <sacater> FAIL!
[10:01] <jdong> sacater: haven't I complained about that before to you?
[10:01] <jdong> or someone else?
[10:01] <Adri2000> are you sure it's the same address as the one in your gpg key? maybe the name should be the same too, I'm not sure
[10:02] <jdong> as long as gpg-agent could not be contacted
[10:02] <sacater> jdong: not me no :P im new
[10:02] <jdong> gpg will return a FAILURE code
[10:02] <jdong> it's a gnupg bug
[10:02] <jdong> I complained about it about 8 months ago
[10:02] <jdong> and apparently it's been fixed upstream now.
[10:02] <sacater> Adri2000: its the name thats wrong as well
[10:02] <sacater> jdong: meh,
[10:02] <jdong> and check your default key too
[10:02] <jdong> and your e-mail, etc
[10:03] <tsmithe> or run with '-k<your-key-id>'
[10:03] <Adri2000> oh, maybe it's just that $GPGKEY is missing
[10:03] <sacater> tsmithe: now you tell me
[10:03] <tsmithe> :S
[10:04] <sacater> tsmithe: ill try ur method first, seems less complex :P
[10:04] <tsmithe> \o/
[10:04] <Adri2000> tsmithe: yes, that always works
[10:04] <tsmithe> i know :)
[10:04] <tsmithe> that's why i suggested it ;)
[10:04] <doko> bddebian: the installation of the header files in python-wxgtk2.8 looks scary
[10:05] <sacater> tsmithe: Adri2000: not true.... look  gpg: skipped "MYKEY": secret key not available
[10:05] <sacater> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[10:05] <sacater> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[10:05] <sacater> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[10:05] <sacater> running debsign failed
[10:06] <tsmithe> you've got to put in the actual code...
[10:06] <sacater> i did, i just changed it so you guys couldnt see it
[10:06] <sacater> :P
[10:06] <Lutin> hehe, keyIDs are public anyway
[10:06] <tsmithe> well, nothing bad happens if we do, but ok :)
[10:06] <tsmithe> mine is 9bc84e4e
[10:06] <Adri2000> sacater: what does gpg --list-key $KEYID say?
[10:06] <tsmithe> ;)
[10:07] <sacater> ive removed the key number
[10:07] <sacater> Sam Cater (sacater meister) <sacater@btopenworld.com>
[10:08] <sacater> thats whats said
[10:08] <imbrandon> they are public
[10:08] <imbrandon> anyhow
[10:08] <sacater> oh
[10:09] <sacater> well how come it dosnt work
[10:09] <Lutin> sacater: would be easier if you didn't hide your actual keyID imo
[10:09] <sacater> fine
[10:10] <sacater> here you go
[10:10] <sacater> sacater@neo:~/tea/tea-14.2.4$ gpg --list-key 6127680A
[10:10] <sacater> pub   1024D/6127680A 2007-02-28
[10:10] <sacater> uid                  Sam Cater (sacater meister) <sacater@btopenworld.com>
[10:10] <sacater> sub   2048g/F8EF7EB3 2007-02-28
[10:10] <sacater> sacater@neo:~/tea/tea-14.2.4$ 
[10:11] <Lutin> sacater: try debsign -k6127680A then
[10:11] <imbrandon> debuild -S -sa -k6127680A
[10:11] <imbrandon> yea
[10:11] <sacater> ok
[10:11] <imbrandon> ( you can use your email too FYI ) e.g. "debuild -S -sa -ksacater@btopenworld.com" minus the quotes
[10:12] <imbrandon> )
[10:12] <sacater> YES!!!! BOOM!
[10:12] <sacater> works!
[10:12] <sacater> my first package made
[10:13] <sacater> imbrandon: okay, i have a few files generated, now what???
[10:13] <imbrandon> i came in late, what are you wanting to do?
[10:13] <Adri2000> build
[10:13] <Adri2000> test
[10:13] <Adri2000> imbrandon: he's adding a .desktop file
[10:13] <sacater> Adri2000: okies
[10:15] <sacater> Adri2000: which package generated do i focus on now 
[10:16] <sacater> Adri2000: 
[10:16] <Adri2000> sacater: you already built the binary package?
[10:17] <sacater> several items were generated when i ran the debuild -S -sa -k6127680A command, i want to know what the next command/thing to do is
[10:18] <Adri2000> -S means to build the source package
[10:18] <Adri2000> now you build the binary package with debuild or inside a pbuilder
[10:21] <sacater> any command extensions for debuild
[10:22] <sacater> Adri2000: 
[10:24] <Adri2000> sacater: see man debuild please
[10:25] <sacater> okies
[10:25] <sacater> its building now anyways
[10:26] <Adri2000> cool
[10:28] <sacater> Adri2000: finished, i have a .deb file 
[10:29] <Adri2000> install it, test your menu entry
[10:29] <sacater> can do :P
[10:30] <sacater> Adri2000: lol, oh well, dependencies work, it just reminded me i dont have tea-data installed :P
[10:30] <sacater> on it goes...
[10:30] <jamyskis> hi again people
[10:31] <shawarma> jamyskis: Hi.
[10:31] <jamyskis> shawarma: hi again - thanks for the help earlier on
[10:32] <shawarma> jamyskis: np
[10:32] <jamyskis> i do have one more question - is there any info anywhere on how to automatically enter an icon into the gnome applications menu post-install?
[10:33] <jamyskis> i suspect that the postinst script would be responsible (as would prerm for getting rid of it) but i know things are never that simple with debian packaging
[10:33] <shawarma> jamyskis: You need to add a desktop file to /usr/share/applications/ and an icon to /usr/share/icons
[10:34] <shawarma> jamyskis: See in /usr/share/applications/ for examples. 
[10:35] <jamyskis> shawarma: so if i created a desktop file and an xpm pixmap (easy enough) where would i store them at the time the deb package is created and which script would take care of this?
[10:36] <sacater> Adri2000: when ive tested it and it works, what happens?
[10:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: around?
[10:36] <shawarma> jamyskis: Just like your debian/rules installs every other file into a tmp directory and packs it up in the deb..
[10:37] <sacater> Adri2000: I upload it somewhere or somerthing :D
[10:37] <shawarma> jamyskis: It should do the desktop and icon file in the same way.
[10:37] <Lutin> sacater: you can be happy and enjoy it
[10:39] <Adri2000> sacater: debdiff(1)
[10:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sort of
[10:40] <jamyskis> shawarma: so basically i should stick the desktop shortcut and pixmap in the root of the source directory and then in debian/rules build-arch copy them to the respective directories?
[10:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what is your opinion on if edubuntu-docs need a UVFe?
[10:40] <sacater> Adri2000: ?????
[10:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's a native package so of course it's a new upstream version
[10:40] <shawarma> jamyskis: Something like that, yes.
[10:41] <zachtib> hey guys, i have a sort of problem:
[10:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'd be ok with it
[10:41] <shawarma> jamyskis: If the .desktop and icon file didn't come from upstream, though, we usually put them in the debian/ dir, but it doesn't really matter.
[10:41] <Adri2000> sacater: one "?" is enough ;)
[10:41] <jamyskis> shawarma: but would they still be copied when it comes to installing the debian package? i thought postinst and prerm were responsible for that?
[10:42] <crimsun> it's not postinst/prerm's job to handle desktop.
[10:42] <sacater> Adri2000: care to explain what debdiff(1)
[10:42] <Adri2000> sacater: I told you to use debdiff, a binary which has a man page (section 1)
[10:42] <shawarma> jamyskis: there's nothing special about a .desktop file compared to every other file in your package.
[10:42] <zachtib> i'm one of the developers on deluge, which is in feisty's repo.  problem is, the stable version has several serious bugs that lead to corrupted downloads in it.  These have been fixed in SVN, but there isn't a stable release of it yet.  Basically, I'm worried that people with just install the version from the repos, and thus wind up with the very buggy version
[10:43] <Adri2000> sacater: section 1: "Executable programs or shell commands"
[10:43] <sacater> Adri2000: kk, i have tested my deb file and it works, along with the newest tea data, dont suppose you want to try it
[10:43] <tsmithe> zachtib, get the package updated and get a freeze exception granted
[10:43] <Adri2000> sacater: I "want" a debdiff
[10:43] <doko> bddebian: will you work on wxwidgets2.8?
[10:44] <jamyskis> shawarma: ill give it a try and let you know what happens
[10:44] <zachtib> tsmithe: that's assuming 0.5 is done before feisty is out
[10:44] <Adri2000> zachtib: you can give us patches
[10:44] <jamyskis> shawarma: thanks
[10:44] <crimsun> doko: he's working on it; it's awaiting review IIRC
[10:44] <tsmithe> zachtib, well, assuming it is done soon; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[10:44] <zachtib> Adri2000: well, it's not so much a patch.. as a complete rewrite
[10:44] <sacater> Adri2000: i dont have the current 6.10 version of tea, let me get it
[10:44] <bddebian> doko: If you want it in, sure.  Do you think I should base from the package they have posted instead of taking the tarball as I did?
[10:45] <bddebian> doko: I was also looking at updating anything packages still deping on 2.4 but I'm struggling with that
[10:45] <shawarma> jamyskis: np
[10:45] <bddebian> Oh shit, I'm lying, I did base it on their package but I changed it from a native package to a non-native
[10:47] <zachtib> jdong: thought you were going to do homework?
[10:47] <doko> bddebian: IMO, take the "upstream" tarball, remove the debian dir from their upstream tarball, look for diffs between their upstream tarball and their .orig.tar.gz, add a patch for that; take the debian dir from the 2.6 package, apply the diffs from the last 2.6 entry and their current 2.8 entry
[10:47] <jdong> zachtib: forgot to research some vector integrals first :D
[10:47] <zachtib> anyways, so, What's the _absolute_ latest I could submit a freeze request and have a chance at it getting in?
[10:48] <zachtib> jdong: you're doing research on IRC?
[10:48] <jdong> zachtib: uhm, ASAP.
[10:48] <jdong> zachtib: and no you are distracting me.
[10:48] <jdong> look away.
[10:48] <jdong> you're still looking at me
[10:48] <jdong> I know it.
[10:48] <zachtib> jdong: yeah, i know. But there's a __huge__ bug in deluge 0.4.1, so i almost don't want it in feisty's repo
[10:48] <sacater> Adri2000: please join #sacater, i have some pasting to do
[10:48] <ajmitch> crimsun: what do you think about edubuntu-docs?
[10:48] <zachtib> i'm trying to finish 0.5 as soon as possible, though...
[10:49] <jdong> zachtib: can you prepare a patch against 0.4.1?
[10:49] <jdong> zachtib: there'd be nothing against that
[10:49] <zachtib> jdong: maybe, but 0.5 is a complete rewrite.  i guess i could try and "backport" the fix
[10:50] <jdong> zachtib: submitting a patch agianst 0.4.1 is your best bet
[10:50] <crimsun> ajmitch: / LaserJock: seems acceptable to me.
[10:50] <jdong> ajmitch: can I please have a verdict or ETA on xserver-xgl?
[10:50] <Lutin> sacater: you can use pastebin :)
[10:51] <sacater> Lutin: i like to have paste convos :D
[10:51] <LaserJock> crimsun / ajmitch : so no need to file UVFe or ...?
[10:52] <crimsun> LaserJock: has the doc team formalised a policy regarding such changes?
[10:52] <ajmitch> jdong: you may not have noticed, but I am fairly busy, and you've done a *really* good job of nagging & annoying me :)
[10:53] <jdong> ajmitch: then give me a time or another person who can look at it?
[10:53] <Lutin> sacater: you mean highly unreadable convos ?
[10:53] <sacater> Adri2000: erm, okay, you want me to use the official, active version, not the one i got as feisty
[10:54] <Adri2000> sacater: the last version available in the developement version (feisty)
[10:54] <sacater> ok
[10:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: in Main they just upload as normal, no UVF required
[10:55] <LaserJock> crimsun: but edubuntu-docs is a Universe package until I get the MIR done
[10:55] <Adri2000> sacater: or even the last version available in debian unstable, but for tea it's the same in debian unstable and ubuntu feisty
[10:55] <sacater> Adri2000: okay
[10:55] <jamyskis> shawarma: i think ive finally just twigged what this is all about - everything in the debian/tmp is bascially a structure of how the package will be installed to the hard drive in real terms right?
[10:55] <shawarma> jamyskis: Precisely.
[10:56] <jamyskis> HAAAALELUJAH
[10:56] <jamyskis> lol
[10:56] <jamyskis> shawarma: thanks.
[10:56] <crimsun> ajmitch: may we formalise (impromptu) policy regarding _buntu-doc in universe? I propose we follow main's lead (e.g., edubuntu-docs does not need UVFe)
[10:56] <sacater> Adri2000: sacater@neo:~/tea/compare$ debdiff tea_14.2.4-2.dsc tea_14.2.4-3.dsc 
[10:56] <sacater> Warning: You do not seem to have interdiff (in the patchutils package)
[10:56] <sacater> installed; this program would use it if it were available.
[10:56] <sacater> gpg: Signature made Fri 20 Oct 2006 10:40:07 AM BST using DSA key ID 99E81DA0
[10:56] <sacater> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[10:56] <sacater> dpkg-source: failure: cannot read /home/sacater/tea/compare/tea_14.2.4.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[10:56] <sacater> debdiff: fatal error at line 425:
[10:56] <sacater> cd /tmp/TwgdaddOhf && dpkg-source -x /home/sacater/tea/compare/tea_14.2.4-2.dsc >/dev/null failed
[10:56] <sacater> sacater@neo:~/tea/compare$ 
[10:56] <sacater> whoops
[10:56] <sacater> paste sorry
[10:57] <LaserJock> crimsun: this should, in fact be the last upload to Universe for edubuntu-docs
[10:57] <sacater> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7991/
[10:58] <sacater> Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7991/
[10:58] <shawarma> jamyskis: Heh. np
[10:58] <Adri2000> sacater: install patchtutils, wrong version
[10:59] <sacater> Adri2000: cant find it in apt-get
[11:01] <Adri2000> sacater: I made a typo, read the error message
[11:01] <imbrandon> brandon@hood:~$ apt-cache madison patchutils
[11:01] <imbrandon> patchutils |   0.2.31-3 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/main Packages
[11:01] <imbrandon> patchutils |   0.2.31-3 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/main Sources
[11:01] <imbrandon> brandon@hood:~$                                                                 
[11:03] <ajmitch> jdong: there are 5 people in motu-uvf. you need 2 acks
[11:04] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure
[11:04] <crimsun> LaserJock: (see above)
[11:04] <LaserJock> k, thanks guys
[11:05] <jdong> ajmitch: everyone else I've talked to just refers me back to you.
[11:05] <ajmitch> jdong: probably because I've been one of the people looking at them recently
[11:05] <sacater> Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7992/
[11:05] <jdong> ok....
[11:05] <ajmitch> jdong: I personally have no problem with the update (xserver-xgl is utterly broken right now)
[11:06] <jdong> would any motu-uvf's be willing to ack bug 87687?
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[11:07] <ajmitch> most of them are probably asleep by now
[11:07] <Adri2000> sacater: version and distro again
[11:07] <sacater> Adri2000: what, they are wrong?
[11:07] <Adri2000> yes
[11:07] <sacater> Adri2000: what prat
[11:07] <sacater> Adri2000: what part*
[11:07] <Adri2000> the version and the distro
[11:08] <jdong> ajmitch: what time are they around?
[11:08] <sacater> Adri2000: what file?
[11:08] <ajmitch> jdong: it probably didn't help that I was one of the last people to touch xserver-xgl
[11:09] <ajmitch> jdong: it varies, look at the ~motu-uvf page
[11:09] <jdong> ajmitch: I get the feeling none of the other -uvf's want to look at it....
[11:09] <ajmitch> or they're just too busy
[11:09] <jdong> most other UVFe's are newer and they've been commented already
[11:09] <sacater> Adri2000: what file?
[11:09] <ajmitch> it's a large update
[11:10] <Adri2000> sacater: guess
[11:10] <imbrandon> X is scary ;)
[11:10] <sacater> Adri2000: changlog?
[11:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no kidding, I see I was the last person to touch xgl
[11:10] <Adri2000> sacater: yes
[11:10] <imbrandon> heh lucky you
[11:11] <imbrandon> means merge time you get it ;)
[11:11] <sacater> Adri2000: i gtg soon, ill take the files with me and continue it at work, what should the CORRECT title be
[11:11] <imbrandon> sudo killall kicker
[11:11] <imbrandon> err
[11:11] <jdong> Password:
[11:11] <tsmithe> jdong-smells
[11:12] <jdong> crimsun: would you be willing to spare any time in looking at xserver-xgl UVFe?
[11:12] <Adri2000> sacater: title ?
[11:12] <imbrandon> would be ok if i dident use NOPASSWD: :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> jdong: the reason I complained about subscribing motu-uvf, is that they don't appear on the page I have bookmarked
[11:13] <jdong> :)
[11:13] <sacater> Adri2000: what should the package be called
[11:13] <jdong> I find the inconsistencies between processes to be entertaining.
[11:13] <ajmitch> jdong: they were there for a reason
[11:13] <ajmitch> including in the way that launchpad handles email
[11:13] <sacater> Adri2000: quickly.....
[11:13] <ajmitch> & various other fun things
[11:14] <jdong> why does ubuntu-archive want subscribe and ubuntu-motu want assign?
[11:14] <jdong> motu-uvf*
[11:14] <Adri2000> sacater: I don't understand what you mean
[11:14] <ajmitch> because we generally just hand back the bug once we're done with it - easier to do with assigning
[11:14] <ajmitch> it's just something for us to approve, not something for us to do
[11:14] <sacater> Adri2000: you say that the package name is wrong in changelog, well what should it be called
[11:15] <Adri2000> sacater: I said the VERSION and the DISTRO are wrong
[11:15] <jdong> ok
[11:15] <ajmitch> only to find that it was a setting (one of a thousand or more)
[11:15] <jdong> all code is ugly when one is unable to locate the bug :)
[11:16] <ajmitch> some code makes it hard to find a bug
[11:16] <ajmitch> and is not clearly laid out, nor does it follow any direct path of execution to do the task efficiently
[11:21] <ScottK> Somone wiser than I once said something along the lines of "Design can either be simple enough to be clearly correct or complex enough it's impossible to prove incorrect."
[11:25] <neutrinomass> Hi. I added myself to the launchpad team for REVU. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU I should now poke the REVU admins here to resync the revu uploaders keyring .
[11:26] <crimsun> neutrinomass: sync running.
[11:27] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Cheers :)
[11:31] <neutrinomass> Erm, I don't have an @ubuntu.com e-mail and it doesn't build....should I put universe as the maintainers or should I make a debian version ?
[11:32] <crimsun> you just need to change Maintainers per the DebianMaintainerField policy
[11:32] <crimsun> and XSBC-Original-Maintainer, too
[11:34] <neutrinomass> Yes, I'm aware of the policy... I just wanted to make sure because technically this isn't in universe and the motus are not responsible for it
[11:35] <Fujitsu> neutrinomass: Is it going to be in universe?
[11:36] <neutrinomass> Fujitsu: Well, that is the ultimate goal ;) But now it's for revu
[11:40] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:40] <imbrandon> later
[11:41] <neutrinomass> Oh, and could anybody imagine why the package makes a i386 binary?  (it's using a very very basic cdbs build system, nothing fancy)
[11:44] <neutrinomass> architecture: all, figured that one out
[11:46] <jamyskis> shawarma: it worked great - im off to bed, thanks again for your help
[11:46] <jamyskis> shawarma: ill be uploading it to the universe repository tomorrow once my gpg key is in the revu ring
[11:52] <imbrandon> no you can upload to the revu repo, not the universe one ;)
[11:52] <imbrandon> err yea
[11:58] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:59] <tsmithe> hiya sistpoty 
[11:59] <sistpoty> hi tsmithe
[12:00] <ScottK> Howdy sistpoty
[12:00] <sistpoty> hi ScottK
[12:03] <imbrandon> heya sistpoty 
[12:03] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[12:13] <imbrandon> zomg rick got amarok building on osx
[12:13] <imbrandon> rockin