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a5benwillisanyone around?01:02
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a5benwillisping OGRA02:00
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ctkroekeranyone have any luck with the "sound blaster live 24-bit" or "Crystal" or VIA HD-Audio VT82***?02:35
ctkroekerWell my sound output works great, just not input, line in and mic02:35
ctkroekerjust gives a flaky crackle at best02:35
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petreIf I want something to automatically launch after login, what file do I put that in?03:27
petreIOW, if I want firefox to load when I login, how do I trigger that?03:27
a5benwillisput it in sessions03:28
a5benwillissystem>prefs>sessions03:28
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petre/etc/X11/Xsessions?03:28
a5benwillisstartup programs03:28
bimberipetre: (assuming GNOME) System -> Preferences -> Session, Startup Programs03:28
a5benwillisbimberi: Thats what I said :-)03:28
a5benwillisAnyone know of a good way to test LDM remotely?03:29
a5benwillisLike would "ssh -X" work?03:29
bimberia5benwillis: :)03:29
bimberia5benwillis: i suspect not, but don't really know03:30
a5benwillisping LaserJock03:30
bimberihence fun to try!03:30
LaserJockhi a5benwillis03:30
a5benwillisHi03:30
petreokay, I see Startup Programs tab; any idea what file that modifies?03:30
a5benwillisyou do edubuntu packages right?03:30
LaserJockwell, kinda03:30
bimberihe wrote the book ;)03:30
LaserJockwhat?03:31
a5benwillisI was able to apply a patch to OpenSSH-Server today to allow it to work with Novell authentication. I have the apt-get source and wondered if it would be good to make it availible?03:31
LaserJockI just hang out here ;-)03:31
bimberiLaserJock: well, the packaging guide03:31
LaserJockoh yeah03:31
LaserJocka5benwillis: how big is the patch?03:32
a5benwillisI dount that the ssh guys are going to incorperate it into any release, though I have asked03:32
a5benwillisLaserJock: 6.3k03:32
a5benwillisthe patch file is 6.3k03:32
a5benwillisbut I have the source already compiled with it included.03:33
LaserJockand it works?03:33
a5benwillisyes. I've spent weeks on it. Ogra knows all about it :-)03:34
LaserJockcool03:34
LaserJockhave you filed a bug about it?03:34
a5benwillisCliebow helped me some as well03:34
cliebowheh..beating a dead horse..03:34
a5benwillisthere was already one03:34
a5benwillishttp://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121503:35
a5benwilliscliebow: I was asking LaserJock about maybe making the package availible in edubuntu03:35
cliebowi see03:35
a5benwillisthe patched source that it03:35
a5benwillisis03:35
cliebowit prob has to come from upstream...03:35
a5benwillisyeah. Gotta start somewhere lol03:36
cliebowor is that downstream..03:36
cliebowup03:36
a5benwillisIm about as downstream as it gets. lol03:36
cliebowme too03:36
a5benwillisso I image it needs to go upstream for approval03:36
a5benwillislol03:36
bimberiestuary? :)03:36
cliebowha!!03:36
a5benwillisto think I had planned to play poker tonight. Instead I worked on SSH, again!03:38
cliebowim packing it in..i feel like Icarus beating my head again Sun all daua\y03:38
a5benwillisave a good one cliebow03:38
cliebowsee ya tomorrow..03:38
a5benwillisyep03:38
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LaserJockhi highvoltage06:55
highvoltagehi LaserJock!06:56
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LaserJockhighvoltage: how's your day going?07:44
LaserJockhighvoltage: how's work? or whatever you're doing07:44
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Radica1Faithhello?07:50
Radica1Faithanyone in here?07:50
LaserJocksure07:51
Radica1Faithhello07:51
Radica1FaithI was wondering if i could get a few tips?07:52
LaserJockperhaps, not a ton of people here yet07:52
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LaserJockPete!07:54
cbx33hey dude07:54
Radica1Faithwhen i restart my computer i my wireless is unable to connect to anything for a long while, but after 10 to 15 minutes or so, all of a sudden i can connect07:55
Radica1Faithnormal?07:55
LaserJockhmm, mine reconnects pretty fast07:57
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LaserJockare you running 6.10?07:58
Radica1Faithyes07:58
cbx33hey bud07:58
LaserJockRadica1Faith: I haven't encountered that before, my wireless always connects right up if it connects07:59
cbx33what's the prob|07:59
cbx33?07:59
Radica1Faithits only when i restart07:59
cbx33are you using ndiswrapper?08:00
Radica1Faithyes08:00
cbx33is it being loaded automatically to the kernel?08:00
Radica1Faithi think so08:00
cbx33well what I suggest08:00
cbx33is to restart the machine08:00
cbx33then goto a terminal window and type08:00
Radica1Faithbut then again, i do type in modprobe ndiswrapper when i get frustrated that nothing was happening08:01
cbx33lsmod | grep ndis08:01
cbx33see if it comes up after a reboot08:01
cbx33if it doesn't then there's your problem08:01
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Radica1Faiththe problem is, i see the sids08:01
cbx33it interferes with my hibernation08:01
Radica1Faithits just not able to connect08:01
cbx33hmmm08:02
Radica1Faithfor a while08:02
cbx33odd08:02
Radica1Faithi thought so too08:02
cbx33maybe it caches the sids08:02
cbx33so you are not really scanning them08:02
cbx33just seeing them from last time08:02
Radica1Faithhmm08:02
Radica1Faithmaybe08:02
Radica1Faiththat makes sense08:02
Radica1Faithalright well, i'll try restarting and typing that in08:03
cbx33cool08:03
cbx33hang on08:03
Radica1Faithbut even if it was that, why would it just randomly start working after a long while?08:03
cbx33maybe something modprobes it later on?08:03
cbx33no idea08:03
cbx33give it a whirl :p08:03
Radica1Faithalright08:03
Radica1Faiththankyou very much08:03
cbx33np08:04
Radica1Faithwait, why can't i type it in right now and then restart?08:04
cbx33well type it in now08:04
cbx33you should get this08:04
cbx33pete@misato:~$ lsmod | grep ndis08:04
cbx33ndiswrapper           208656  008:04
cbx33usbcore               134912  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd08:04
cbx33but on reboot if you don't get those lines, then ndiswrapper is not being loaded08:05
Radica1Faithahh i see08:05
Radica1Faithokay thankyou very much08:05
Radica1Faithif it isn't loaded08:05
Radica1Faithhow do i start it?08:05
Radica1Faithmodprobe ndiswrapper?08:05
cbx33yup08:05
cbx33sudo modprobe ndiswrapper of course08:06
Radica1Faithokay i remember doing that before and that still didn't help08:06
Radica1Faithit still took some time08:06
cbx33hmm08:06
cbx33define sometime08:06
cbx33are you using network manager?08:06
Radica1Faith5 minutes08:06
Radica1Faithyes08:06
cbx33that is a little slow08:06
Radica1Faithit doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me08:07
Radica1Faithbut then again i'm new to this whole linux thing08:07
cbx33what you can do is try restarting dbus - but I don;t know if that's recommended08:07
cbx33sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart08:07
cbx33that restarts the network manager applet08:07
Radica1Faithokay08:07
Radica1Faithalright i feel really dumb, but how do you copy text from chat?08:08
cbx33highlight it and press ctrl+c08:08
cbx33if you want to paste in to a terminal window08:09
cbx33you then need to use08:09
cbx33ctl+shift+v08:09
cbx33not just ctrl+v08:09
Radica1Faithahh, yeah i was wondering why it didn't work in a terminal08:09
Radica1Faiththankyou08:09
cbx33np08:09
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Radica1Faithalright i'll be back hopefully before 20 minutes from now08:10
cbx33cool08:10
LaserJockI'm so close to uploading an edubuntu-docs package too08:11
cbx33LaserJock, do you know where the network places settings are stored?08:11
LaserJockthe ssids?08:11
cbx33no08:12
cbx33network places08:12
LaserJockoh08:12
cbx33like an smb drive08:12
cbx33or ftp etc08:12
LaserJocknot really08:12
cbx33ok08:12
cbx33bbiab08:12
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MeshezabeelI had an older version of ubuntu that had more screensavers like fireworks etc. Now with 6.10 I only have space scenes and gnome footprints. What package do I need to install the other screensavers? Is there a reason they were taken out of 6.10?08:13
LaserJockhmm, I don't think they were taken out08:13
highvoltageLaserJock: it's great, it's my first day at my new(ish) job08:14
highvoltageLaserJock: the (ish) part is there since it contains a large part of my old job :)08:14
highvoltageLaserJock: and you?08:14
LaserJockhighvoltage: workin' away08:14
MeshezabeelLaserjock, all I have is "cosmos" and "floating feet". This is from a fresh install of 6.10.08:14
LaserJockreally?08:14
LaserJockthat's odd08:15
LaserJockhighvoltage: now what is your position?08:15
LaserJockand what kind of company08:15
LaserJockMeshezabeel: I'd look in synaptic for xscreensaver08:16
MeshezabeelLaserjock, ok thanks, looking in synaptic for screensaver, all I get is gnome-screensaver as being installed, there are others not installed including xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl08:17
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highvoltageLaserJock: it's at Impi Linux, our government is converting to open source jsut about everywhere, and we're going to do a lot of the implementation08:19
highvoltageLaserJock: what's cool is, we'll still be doing the distro part of tuxlabs for inkululeko, so I didn't have to abandon anything leaving my old daytime job08:20
LaserJockMeshezabeel: try installing them08:20
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TeePOGmorning08:26
MeshezabeelLaserjock, thanks got them in xscreensaver-data-extra08:41
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LP747LaserJock: Go to bed!10:05
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LaserJockme?10:05
cbx33yes you10:06
cbx33yes you10:06
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cbx33hehe10:06
cbx33I need to disable frequency scaling on a machine10:06
cbx33anyone know how?10:06
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cbx33hey juliux10:15
juliuxhi cbx3310:15
juliuxcbx33, how are you?10:15
cbx33yeh I'm good10:17
cbx33you don;t know how to disable frequency scaling do you?10:17
juliuxfrom the cpu?10:17
cbx33yes10:18
juliuxthere are two ways10:18
cbx33ell from wihin linux10:18
cbx33basically this is the problem10:18
cbx33the vmware machines clock is getting skewed10:18
juliuxwihin?10:18
cbx33it's because the processor is changing speed10:18
cbx33I want to stop it doing it10:18
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LaserJockoh yeah, I read something about that once10:18
LaserJockhave you checked the forums?10:19
cbx33yeh10:19
cbx33found nothing10:19
juliuxcbx33, the easy way is to do it with the gnome applet10:19
cbx33ah ok10:19
LaserJockhi RichEd10:19
cbx33hey RichEd10:19
RichEdLaserJock, cbx33 : greetz10:19
RichEdand juliux10:19
juliuxcbx33, you only have to do this: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector10:19
juliuxcbx33, then you can change the frequency from the panel10:20
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cbx33will that hold across reboots?10:20
cbx33LaserJock: GO TO BED10:20
juliuxcbx33, yes10:20
cbx33cool10:20
cbx33thanks juliux10:20
ogracbx33, /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq_ac_policy is the gconf-key you want to set10:20
LaserJockcbx33: I *have* to upload edubuntu-docs10:20
ograset it to performance10:20
juliuxogra, but that is not working if you don't change the permissons of cpufreq-selector10:21
cbx33ogra: thanks dude10:21
LaserJockogra will never let me touch an edubuntu app again if I don't ;-)10:21
cbx33heheh10:21
ograjuliux, ?10:21
ograwhats cpufreq-selector ?10:21
juliuxa tool;)10:21
juliuxi tried to change it in gconf but it was not working10:21
ograi'm talking about gnome-powermanager10:21
ograit5 should directly talk to hal10:21
ograwhich it does for me ...10:22
juliuxhmm10:22
cbx33ok10:22
cbx33I'll try it10:22
ograbut i dont use tools like cpufreq-selector10:22
cbx33ogra: would I just do gconf-editor10:23
cbx33or would it be sudo gconf-editor10:23
ograyes10:23
ograno10:23
cbx33what if I'm not logged in though10:23
cbx33i may not be logged into this machine all the time10:24
cbx33it's a server after all10:24
juliuxRichEd, i set up the server for rockprincess in vienna on monday, so she has no a working edubuntu server in her school10:24
ograno=not ?10:25
RichEdwe have been seeing her conversations here in the channel10:25
cbx33no = now10:25
cbx33juliux: cool10:25
juliuxno==now ;)10:25
ograshe couldnt boot the next morning10:25
juliuxomg10:25
RichEdshe said that you impressed the people with your skills and you made edubuntu look real easy to set up10:25
cbx33ogra: so, will that still work even if I'm not logged in?10:25
cbx33RichEd: but it is really easy to set up :p10:25
juliuxwhy she didn't write me an e-mail?10:25
ogracbx33, you have to set it once ... i.e. log in once10:25
cbx33ahh ok10:26
cbx33thanks10:26
RichEdbut she said that you typed so fast she could not read what you were doing :)10:26
RichEdhey ogra10:26
juliuxRichEd, that was not fast, it was a craped dell keyboard;)10:26
ograRichEd, yo ...10:26
RichEdjuliux: now you are just bragging ;)10:26
cbx33do i create it?10:27
RichEdogra and sbalneav helped her out ... she's now working okay ogra ?10:27
juliuxogra, is here server no working?10:27
cbx33 /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq_ac_policy doesn't exist10:27
cbx33do i create it?10:27
ograRichEd, yes, i think so10:28
cbx33ok created it as string and set to performance10:28
cbx33I'll log out and in again10:28
ogracbx33, no10:28
cbx33oh10:28
juliuxogra, what was the error?10:28
ogracbx33, ah, wait, indeed you are in the user settings ... you need to create it10:29
cbx33will this then still hold if I don't log in10:29
cbx33and reboot the machine10:29
cbx33i need it to always be set to performance10:29
ograjuliux, no idea, she wasnt there when she asked about it, i only made the first part of the support, sbalneav did the rest later10:29
juliuxogra, i will asked here via jabber;)10:30
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juliuxogra, now i know the error;) she used the wrong networkcable10:33
ograheh10:33
ograok10:33
juliuxshe has two networks in the classroom one for windows, one for edubuntu10:34
ograi just know the client couldnt find the dhcp server ... but she couldnt get the logs and configs when she reported it10:34
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070301/ <--- for testing10:35
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ograand http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20070301/10:35
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juliuxbrackfast;910:38
cbx33seems to have worked ogra10:38
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cbx33damn kerberos authntication :p10:41
ograRichEd, wrt your mail: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070301/feisty-serveraddon-i386.iso wait until we have some test results10:47
ograits only 200 MB yet10:47
RichEdthanks :)10:49
cbx33muuuuuuch better10:50
cbx33thanks ogra10:50
ogra:)10:50
cbx33will i have to login once after the machine is booted each time?10:50
ograsadly ...10:51
ogragnome-power-manager cant run as system service10:51
ograyou could probably write a python script that talks to hal via dbus to force the value10:51
cbx33that's fine10:52
cbx33thank you so much10:52
cbx33dude you seriously rock10:52
juliuxre10:59
ograRichEd, btw, since you werent in the meeting: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/edubuntu-winfoss-wip.png thats how the add-on CD will look like under windows ;)11:01
LaserJock\o/11:03
ograLaserJock, youre still awake ?11:03
LaserJockyeah, gotta get edubuntu-docs finished11:03
ographew11:04
ajmitchhi ogra11:04
ograhey ajmitch11:04
RichEdogra: looks good ... very nice11:06
ograyep11:06
ograthe add-on CD will be a real added value in the end ...11:07
ogra"improve both worlds with the edubuntu add-on CD"11:07
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ajmitchheh fun, just talking to flatmate about ldap & kerberos stuff11:11
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LaserJockogra: edubuntu-docs uploaded11:15
ograYAY !!11:16
ajmitchgood11:17
ajmitchLaserJock: crimsun & I agreed that there should be no UVF exception needed for such things11:17
ajmitchit's just extra work for everyone11:17
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ograRichEd, its good to download, just tested it ...11:18
RichEdthanks ... will give it a week or two, and dlwonad and burn when I am back at home11:19
RichEd*download11:19
ograhe wont get the sexy gnome-app-install integration though ...11:20
ograhe'll need to use synaptic11:20
RichEdthat's fine ... they have a shocking telephone network in Zimbabwe, even voice and fax calls get dropped, so anything on a CD will be a life saver for him.11:22
TeePOGsounds interesting... do you have a link about the add-on CD?11:23
ajmitchogra: ok, what were those pam problems you had & why does the current /etc/pam.d situation suck?11:23
ograajmitch, you have to sed through textfiles ... thats not what i understand as "pluggable"11:23
LaserJockogra: my night's work is done11:23
LaserJockalmost 2:30am11:23
ajmitchto add in new pam modules?11:23
ograto change configs11:24
ajmitchone of the main issues I find is that ordering is so critical & easy to mess up11:24
ograif you want to change the ssh or gdm scheme, you have to ediut the ssh or gdm textfiles11:24
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ograa directory with sequenced links like init would be much cleaner for example11:25
ajmitchexcept that it uses the common files instead11:25
ajmitchso you'd want @include common/* ?11:25
ajmitchor something like that?11:25
ajmitchit'll be an uphill battle for you to change things11:26
ograsimilat to the include rules, but in a structure you can just link or delete stuff11:26
ograright11:26
ajmitchyou can argue about it at UDS :)11:27
ograi dont expect it to be easy, but the current situation sucks, so it needs to be improved11:27
TeePOGerm, anyone? what is the add-on CD about?11:28
ajmitchyes it does suck, but it's used in a lot of places11:28
ajmitchmost people can get by with common-*11:28
ograTeePOG, gaining us space oin the server CD11:29
TeePOGinteresting11:29
TeePOGis it stable yet?11:30
TeePOGi suppose not huh?11:30
TeePOGstill, interesting11:30
RichEdTeePOG: some applications move off CD1 onto CD2 and a whole bunch of new applications are added to CD2, including all language packs.11:30
TeePOGah ok ... but doesn't that imply that the installer and initial desktop will only be available in English?11:30
TeePOGie. making it difficult for non-English speakers?11:31
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TeePOG</R0,02>11:32
TeePOGanyway, back to work11:32
TeePOGlater11:32
ograRichEd, the langpacks are not on it yet, they will be for beta11:32
ograthey are the last thing i'll add, if the rest doesnt move anymore11:32
RichEdogra: I'm speaking in terms of what we will release to the outside world, not the early mid dev versions that the eager beavers in this channel download :) but thanks for clarifying11:33
ograright :)11:34
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cbx33RichEd: sorry to bother you12:20
cbx33pm?12:20
RichEdcbx33: will check now'ish ... multi-threading at the moment12:20
cbx33ok np12:20
cbx33that's why i didn't bother you12:21
jsgotangcohello12:22
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cbx33w00t dual head01:41
jsgotangcocongratulations01:43
cbx33heh01:43
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cbx33ping RichEd03:01
RichEdhi cbx33 messaging you now03:01
cbx33ok03:01
cbx33got confused03:01
cbx33hehe03:01
a5benwillismorning guys03:04
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intenguusing intergrated ltsp on xubuntu - how do you config ltsp-build-client to use cdrom then fetch missing packages from the internet03:38
cbx33ogra_: pingity pong -> can i set the default resolution for edubuntu machines on LTSP?03:38
intenguany ideas ladies & gentlemen03:40
cbx33unknown from me here03:40
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cliebow_intngu: that is an apt function.right? wouldnt an uncomment in sources.list poit to cdrom03:47
cliebow_ignore that:got Gadi on the case03:47
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cbx33brb03:54
a5benwilliscliebow: Good morning!03:55
a5benwilliscliebow:  Well, not so good morningactually03:55
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bddebianHeya03:57
ogra_intengu, you need to do it in two steps04:10
ogra_mount cdrom, sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom04:10
ogra_then copy the sources.list from the server into the chroot, chroot into it and update it from the net with apt ...04:11
ogra_whats missing ?04:12
ogra_in edubuntu it works fine ...04:12
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cliebow_if X:1 -scanpci gives 128:1:0 for a video card shouldnt that be usable as a BusID in xorg.conf04:52
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a5benwillisFor anyone thats been following my NCP authentication trials.05:06
a5benwillis I can log in and have the user authenticated, their account is created automatically and their netware home directory is mounted.05:06
a5benwillis But05:06
a5benwillis The last issue I have is thatit takes two log ins for the user to get a session.05:06
a5benwillis On the first log in the useris created and .xauthority and two other "." files are created05:06
a5benwillisThe user gets sent back to the login screen (LDM)05:07
a5benwillisOn the second log in all of the .gconf, .gnome etc ate created and the user logs all the way in properly.05:07
a5benwillis Anyone havea clue as to why that happens?05:07
ogra_privilege separation ?05:09
ogra_try turning it off05:09
a5benwillisok05:09
ogra_do you get a second pw prompt on the commandline ?05:09
a5benwillisthis is from the LDM login screen.05:10
ogra_yes, i know05:10
ogra_do you get a second pw prompt on the commandline ? #05:10
a5benwillisso it just fails back to the login screen05:10
a5benwillisas in on a;t-f1?05:10
ogra_if you try to ssh into the server05:10
ogra_do ssh localhost on the server05:10
ogra_see if it asks twice05:11
a5benwillisNo, it closes the connection immediatly05:11
a5benwillisbut just like ldm, on the second login it works perfectly05:12
ogra_does the user you try with exist on your ncp server ?05:12
a5benwillisyes05:12
ogra_well, then its not ldms fault05:12
ogra_surely some pam or ssh thing going on here05:12
a5benwillisbut it doesnt exist on the ltsp server..05:13
ogra_i mean the ssh to localhost05:13
a5benwillissorry, I dont understand05:13
ogra_does this user exist on your netware server05:13
ogra_the one you try with on the commandline05:14
a5benwilliswhen I try via command line I am connecting to the ltsp server. Its sshd is configured to query the NDS server via pam to authenticate the user. The user exists on the NDS server but not the ltsp server. Upon successfull authentication the user gets created on the ltsp server.05:15
a5benwillis.05:16
ogra_define "gets created"05:16
a5benwillisthe same thing happens with privledge seperation = no05:17
a5benwillis.05:17
a5benwillisThe user is added to passwd file05:17
a5benwillishome directory is created on the ltsp server05:17
ogra_and removed dynamically on logout ?05:17
a5benwillisuser is obviously assigned a UID05:17
a5benwillisno, the user stays05:17
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a5benwillisPing Ogra06:01
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cliebow_juliux:you had a sun server running dapper?06:16
juliuxcliebow_, yes a old ultra 6006:17
juliuxcliebow_, but just for fun06:17
cliebow_what video card?06:17
juliuxcliebow_, a sun one06:17
juliuxcliebow_, it is not my sun it is the sun of a friend but i installed with him ubuntu on it06:17
cliebow_heh.. found pm2v chipset xf86domainio mean anything to you06:17
cliebow_domain out of range06:18
juliuxi can ask him later what video card is into the sun06:18
cliebow_if you think of it....thanks06:18
cliebow_i just dont know what this error means06:18
cliebow_you did get x running?06:20
juliuxsure06:20
juliuxwe run gnome and xfce on it06:20
cliebow_i dont know how proprtary the cards are...i tried a couple different possibilities..all do nothing06:21
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toskyhi06:33
toskyWhere can I download the edubuntu egdy DVD?06:33
toskyI saw it on cdimage.ubuntu.com until yesterday, but now there are only the feisty dvd...06:33
cbx33tosky, oh06:41
cbx33you sure?06:41
cbx33checked releases.ubuntu.com06:41
cbx33?06:41
toskycbx33: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/, only cd :(06:44
cbx33not sure06:44
cbx33gtg...bbl06:44
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a5benwillisI need to set the "UserAuthDir in gdm.conf totemp. This file doeasnt exist under the ltsp chroot does it?07:01
a5benwillisChanging it in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf wont effect the LDM clients will it?07:01
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Mean_Machinehello07:07
Mean_Machineis anybody here?07:07
Mean_Machinei need some help07:07
a5benwillisdont we all :-)07:07
Mean_Machinei dont know07:07
Mean_Machinei need to ask you something if you know about installation of edubuntu 6.0607:10
a5benwillisDoes anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?07:10
Mean_Machineor anybody else07:11
Mean_Machinecome on07:11
a5benwillisI use 6.1007:11
a5benwillisMean_Machine: Be aptient, itstakes a while for the right person to see the question. I would suggest just asking.07:11
Mean_Machinei am a pretty beginner with this, i just want to try any version07:12
Mean_Machinefirst question:07:12
Mean_Machineif i have a 64bit processor...07:12
Mean_Machinedoes it makes problem if installation isnt for 64 bit processores07:12
Mean_Machine?07:13
Mean_Machinehehe07:13
a5benwillisno07:13
Mean_Machineare you sure?07:13
a5benwillisthey work with 32 bit os' as well07:13
a5benwillisyes, I have the same thing07:13
a5benwillisbut am running the 32 bit version07:13
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Mean_Machinewell i have problem, cause, when i boot form cd...07:13
Mean_Machinefrom*07:13
Mean_Machineinstallation simply doesnt start07:14
a5benwillistry the alternate cd. I had to on my system.07:14
Mean_Machineit is like that it doesnt resolve my cd rom07:14
a5benwillisWhat system do you have? Or what processor07:14
Mean_Machinei try it07:14
Mean_Machinei order 5 cd07:14
Mean_Machinesempron 2600+07:14
a5benwillisok, I have an intel 64bit07:14
Mean_Machinesomeone told me that problem could be that kernel is "too old"07:15
a5benwillisthe amd should work as well though.07:15
a5benwillisdownload the 6.10 alt cd iso and burn it.07:15
Mean_Machinei try same disk at my old machine07:15
Mean_Machineand it works well07:15
a5benwillisMean_Machine: download the 6.10 alt cd iso and burn it.07:15
rockprincessMean_Machine: are you using the 64-bit or the 32-bit version?07:15
Mean_Machinei think it is 32bit version07:16
Mean_Machine?07:17
rockprincessyeah i'm using the 32bit version as well07:17
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Mean_Machinewell, that doesnt solve my problem07:17
rockprincessi used the alternate install cd, because the live cds / or desktop cds as they're now called screw up my installation process...07:18
a5benwillisMean_Machine: Did youtry the 6.06 alt cd?07:18
Mean_Machinenevermind,i ll see whats happen when i try 64 bit version07:18
Mean_Machinei dont kno?07:18
Mean_Machineknow07:18
Mean_Machinewhat you mean07:19
a5benwillisdo you have access to download a file and burn a cd?07:19
Mean_Machineno man07:19
Mean_Machinedial up07:19
Mean_Machine:907:19
a5benwillisok07:19
a5benwillisdid you order a cd pack?07:19
Mean_Machineit is serbia07:19
Mean_Machineyep07:19
a5benwillislook for a cd marked "Alternate"07:19
Mean_Machinei received 5 cds07:20
Mean_Machineand all 5 are same07:20
Mean_Machineuffff07:20
a5benwillisMean_Machine: Im sorry, there isnt much else that we can do.07:21
Mean_Machineok07:21
Mean_Machinejel ima ovde nekog iz srbije,hrvatske,bosne?07:22
Mean_Machinemakedonije'07:22
Mean_Machinethanks a507:22
a5benwillisnp07:22
a5benwillisDoes anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?07:28
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cbx33hey ogra07:45
cbx33howz it going dude07:45
cbx33my Edubuntu server is kicking ass now ;)07:45
cbx33I'm not sure if that clock thing worked though....I think what you said work, but I don;t think it solved the issue07:46
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cbx33LaserJock, !!!!!!!!!07:48
LaserJockhi Pete07:49
a5benwillisooh ooh maybe LaserJockknow the answer to my question:-)07:49
a5benwillisDoes anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?07:49
cbx33heheh07:50
cbx33a5benwillis, why not do07:50
cbx33locate gdm.conf07:50
a5benwillisI dontthink its the same nae.07:51
a5benwillisthatdoesnt show anythning in /opt07:51
cbx33it won;t be in opt07:51
cbx33besides.....for the login screen for that you want ldm07:51
cbx33it's not gdm07:51
a5benwillisok07:52
a5benwillisdoes LDM use anything similar? I cant find any files related to LDM07:52
cbx33yes it does07:52
a5benwilliswhat Im really tryingto do is change the "UserAuthDir" to /tmp07:53
a5benwilliswheredo the ldm files live?07:54
cbx33hmm07:54
cbx33UserAuthDir07:54
cbx33where is that set?07:54
cbx33i mean what program is it for?07:54
a5benwillisin gdm.conf for gdm07:54
cbx33hmm07:54
cbx33i don;t know if ldm does it in the same way07:54
a5benwillisit tells where to place all of the .gnome files etc07:55
cbx33cos it is just an ssh login07:55
cbx33hmmm07:55
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a5benwilliswho was it that created LDM. I've spoken to him in here before.08:16
Burgworkogra or mdz did08:32
cbx33hey Burgwork08:32
cbx33how did it go?08:32
Burgworkyour chapter?08:32
cbx33hehe08:33
cbx33yup08:33
Burgworkmako currently has it08:33
cbx33oh08:33
Burgworkhe is working on it in his secret lab08:33
cbx33is that good or bad08:33
BurgworkI have no idea08:33
cbx33did you look through it?08:33
Burgworkall I know is that the windows to his lab is flashing, ala ren's lab08:33
LaserJockheh08:33
cbx33hehe08:33
cbx33oh Burgwork, you so crazy08:34
LaserJockI imagine mako's lab to be something like that08:34
Burgworkugh, my boss just told me to move the computers back to Fedora08:35
BurgworkI told him we would move back to FC4 over my dead body08:35
LaserJockwhere they Ubuntu?08:36
LaserJock*were08:36
LaserJockI hate homonyms08:36
LaserJockor whatever they are08:36
cbx33hehe08:36
cbx33words dat sound da same08:36
cbx33is wot I calls em08:36
Burgworkno, I moved to office FC4 --> dapper08:36
LaserJockand now he wants them back to FC4?08:37
LaserJockhow many?08:37
Burgworkno, he wants a "common platform with calgary"08:37
Burgwork3 computers, 6 users08:37
LaserJockah08:37
LaserJocktell him I'll shred his DM package if he moves to FC4 ;-)08:38
Burgworkheh08:38
Burgworkyou got the updated one from Jason yet?08:38
LaserJockI do, but I don't have confirmation yet on if I can upload it08:38
LaserJockneed to bug some motu-uvf guys about that08:38
Burgworkah, should I do the UVF stuff?08:38
LaserJockwell, I need to nail down if we even need a UVFe or not08:39
LaserJockthere's no code to review08:39
Burgworkah, binary crap08:39
LaserJockbut maybe if you did it as a company rep it'd be fine08:39
BurgworkI want to use LTSP, dammit08:39
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Burgworkugh, Fedora means a root account dammit08:41
cbx33that's a lot of dammits Burgwork08:42
BurgworkI dislike Fedora08:42
six2oneme too08:42
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javiolohi09:26
Burgworkhello javiolo09:26
javioloIm looking for kids apps, i have so far installed gcompris, tuxmath, childsplay are there any other learning apps ?09:27
Burgworkhmm09:30
Burgworktuxpaint?09:30
javiolommm is there any app to learn english ?09:31
javiolokids from 3 to 6 years old09:31
Burgworklearn english?09:32
Burgworkwow09:32
javioloyep09:33
javiolowhat ?09:33
Burgworkthinking09:33
a5benwillisDoes a list exist somewhere?09:33
LaserJockit's very scattered09:33
javioloI didnt found any via apt-get09:33
javiololooks that gcompris its the only app for that age...09:37
Burgworkcreating a generic language learning app would be good09:39
javioloany idea how to delete all the system, apps and places menu on top ?09:40
LaserJockyou don't want any of them?09:42
a5benwillisI havea similar question09:43
a5benwillisIs it possible to create a 'window' that could appear on the desktop of each person logging in via thin client?09:43
javiolowell I dont want them in the kids account...09:44
a5benwillisAnd have icons in this window? This would mimic our Novel Zenworks Window. All studentare used to accessing applications through this common window.09:44
LaserJockjaviolo: you can right click on them and do something like "Remove from panel"09:46
javioloLaserJock ahh yes thanks09:46
a5benwillisHow about any info on editingthe default user environmentin the chroot?09:49
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mhzhi all!10:30
LaserJockhi mhz10:31
mhzLaserJock: it is still good to see you :)10:31
mhzWhere should I click to get a grasp of what Edubuntu is doing right now?10:31
mhz(in oter words, where should I forward someone asking about a summary of Edubuntu's current work)10:32
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mhzmhhh, wrong question?10:38
LaserJocksorry, I was afk10:44
mhzokis10:44
LaserJockwell, you could look at the Feisty specs10:44
mhzright, did that already, so that is it10:45
LaserJockwell, you want a brief summary?10:45
mhzhehe, could be better, indeed, however, I am missing something like a "status" bar :)10:46
LaserJockwell, we don't really have one other than specs10:47
LaserJockbut ogra kicked some butt on LTSP10:49
LaserJockwe got a 2nd CD10:49
LaserJockthat holds all the edu stuff10:49
LaserJockquite a bit going on with docs10:49
mhzLaserJock: hmm, what you mean byt "holds all the edu stuff"?10:50
mhzyeah, docs, docs, docs, always need for docs10:50
LaserJockwe took all of the educational apps off the 1st CD10:52
LaserJockand put them on a 2nd addon CD10:52
mhzyeah, oh that is10:52
mhzduh!10:52
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mhzso 1st CD is basically LTSP setup?10:53
LaserJockyeah, plus we added back in stuff that we had to take out10:54
mhzdid "the book" ever come to life?10:58
LaserJockmhz: it's in the edubuntu-docs package as the Edubuntu Handbook11:02
cbx33mhz, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:02
LaserJockit's not quite finished11:02
LaserJockbut it's geetting there11:02
mhzcbx33: !!!11:02
cbx33howz it going dude11:02
mhzit was getting better...but...(always a but) after only a month renting, I gotta move again11:04
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mhzso still can't quite settle down and call any place "home"11:04
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mhzcbx33: I have been contacted by at least 7 people the last 20 days or so, and they all ask me "How can I join the spanish community or start Edubuntu SomeLAtmCountry project"11:06
cbx33nice11:06
cbx33brb11:06
mhzI keep telling them I am so far from the project that I have no idea, and ask them to ask here11:07
a5benwilliscan anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?11:13
a5benwillisNot the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.11:17
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chinoso wahts up ed buntu people ?11:39
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LaserJockchino: not a lot apparently ;-)12:04
chinohehhh12:05
chinowhats up with the terminal client stuff ?12:05
LaserJockit's cool, it's sweet, and it'll blow your thin client's socks off ;-)12:08
mhzand it is FLOSS!!12:09
mhzwell, gotta get to work12:10
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chinoi've been thinking about starting a business to help local businesses move to such thin client based setups12:12
chinoand then i read about edbuntu which is perfect for school systems12:12
LaserJockEdubuntu could be really good for businesses to I think12:13
LaserJockwe are moving to using 2CDs for the next release12:13
LaserJockthe 1st CD will be basically Ubuntu+LTSP server stuff12:13
LaserJockand the 2nd CD will have all the educational apps12:13
LaserJockso you could install just the 1st CD and change the artwork a bit and it'd probably be pretty decent for businesses12:14

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