[01:02] <a5benwillis> anyone around?
[02:00] <a5benwillis> ping OGRA
[02:35] <ctkroeker> anyone have any luck with the "sound blaster live 24-bit" or "Crystal" or VIA HD-Audio VT82***?
[02:35] <ctkroeker> Well my sound output works great, just not input, line in and mic
[02:35] <ctkroeker> just gives a flaky crackle at best
[03:27] <petre> If I want something to automatically launch after login, what file do I put that in?
[03:27] <petre> IOW, if I want firefox to load when I login, how do I trigger that?
[03:28] <a5benwillis> put it in sessions
[03:28] <a5benwillis> system>prefs>sessions
[03:28] <petre> /etc/X11/Xsessions?
[03:28] <a5benwillis> startup programs
[03:28] <bimberi> petre: (assuming GNOME) System -> Preferences -> Session, Startup Programs
[03:28] <a5benwillis> bimberi: Thats what I said :-)
[03:29] <a5benwillis> Anyone know of a good way to test LDM remotely?
[03:29] <a5benwillis> Like would "ssh -X" work?
[03:29] <bimberi> a5benwillis: :)
[03:30] <bimberi> a5benwillis: i suspect not, but don't really know
[03:30] <a5benwillis> ping LaserJock
[03:30] <bimberi> hence fun to try!
[03:30] <LaserJock> hi a5benwillis
[03:30] <a5benwillis> Hi
[03:30] <petre> okay, I see Startup Programs tab; any idea what file that modifies?
[03:30] <a5benwillis> you do edubuntu packages right?
[03:30] <LaserJock> well, kinda
[03:30] <bimberi> he wrote the book ;)
[03:31] <LaserJock> what?
[03:31] <a5benwillis> I was able to apply a patch to OpenSSH-Server today to allow it to work with Novell authentication. I have the apt-get source and wondered if it would be good to make it availible?
[03:31] <LaserJock> I just hang out here ;-)
[03:31] <bimberi> LaserJock: well, the packaging guide
[03:31] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[03:32] <LaserJock> a5benwillis: how big is the patch?
[03:32] <a5benwillis> I dount that the ssh guys are going to incorperate it into any release, though I have asked
[03:32] <a5benwillis> LaserJock: 6.3k
[03:32] <a5benwillis> the patch file is 6.3k
[03:33] <a5benwillis> but I have the source already compiled with it included.
[03:33] <LaserJock> and it works?
[03:34] <a5benwillis> yes. I've spent weeks on it. Ogra knows all about it :-)
[03:34] <LaserJock> cool
[03:34] <LaserJock> have you filed a bug about it?
[03:34] <a5benwillis> Cliebow helped me some as well
[03:34] <cliebow> heh..beating a dead horse..
[03:34] <a5benwillis> there was already one
[03:35] <a5benwillis> http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215
[03:35] <a5benwillis> cliebow: I was asking LaserJock about maybe making the package availible in edubuntu
[03:35] <cliebow> i see
[03:35] <a5benwillis> the patched source that it
[03:35] <a5benwillis> is
[03:35] <cliebow> it prob has to come from upstream...
[03:36] <a5benwillis> yeah. Gotta start somewhere lol
[03:36] <cliebow> or is that downstream..
[03:36] <cliebow> up
[03:36] <a5benwillis> Im about as downstream as it gets. lol
[03:36] <cliebow> me too
[03:36] <a5benwillis> so I image it needs to go upstream for approval
[03:36] <a5benwillis> lol
[03:36] <bimberi> estuary? :)
[03:36] <cliebow> ha!!
[03:38] <a5benwillis> to think I had planned to play poker tonight. Instead I worked on SSH, again!
[03:38] <cliebow> im packing it in..i feel like Icarus beating my head again Sun all daua\y
[03:38] <a5benwillis> ave a good one cliebow
[03:38] <cliebow> see ya tomorrow..
[03:38] <a5benwillis> yep
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[06:56] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock!
[07:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: how's your day going?
[07:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: how's work? or whatever you're doing
[07:50] <Radica1Faith> hello?
[07:50] <Radica1Faith> anyone in here?
[07:51] <LaserJock> sure
[07:51] <Radica1Faith> hello
[07:52] <Radica1Faith> I was wondering if i could get a few tips?
[07:52] <LaserJock> perhaps, not a ton of people here yet
[07:54] <LaserJock> Pete!
[07:54] <cbx33> hey dude
[07:55] <Radica1Faith> when i restart my computer i my wireless is unable to connect to anything for a long while, but after 10 to 15 minutes or so, all of a sudden i can connect
[07:55] <Radica1Faith> normal?
[07:57] <LaserJock> hmm, mine reconnects pretty fast
[07:58] <LaserJock> are you running 6.10?
[07:58] <Radica1Faith> yes
[07:58] <cbx33> hey bud
[07:59] <LaserJock> Radica1Faith: I haven't encountered that before, my wireless always connects right up if it connects
[07:59] <cbx33> what's the prob|
[07:59] <cbx33> ?
[07:59] <Radica1Faith> its only when i restart
[08:00] <cbx33> are you using ndiswrapper?
[08:00] <Radica1Faith> yes
[08:00] <cbx33> is it being loaded automatically to the kernel?
[08:00] <Radica1Faith> i think so
[08:00] <cbx33> well what I suggest
[08:00] <cbx33> is to restart the machine
[08:00] <cbx33> then goto a terminal window and type
[08:01] <Radica1Faith> but then again, i do type in modprobe ndiswrapper when i get frustrated that nothing was happening
[08:01] <cbx33> lsmod | grep ndis
[08:01] <cbx33> see if it comes up after a reboot
[08:01] <cbx33> if it doesn't then there's your problem
[08:01] <Radica1Faith> the problem is, i see the sids
[08:01] <cbx33> it interferes with my hibernation
[08:01] <Radica1Faith> its just not able to connect
[08:02] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> for a while
[08:02] <cbx33> odd
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> i thought so too
[08:02] <cbx33> maybe it caches the sids
[08:02] <cbx33> so you are not really scanning them
[08:02] <cbx33> just seeing them from last time
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> hmm
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> maybe
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> that makes sense
[08:03] <Radica1Faith> alright well, i'll try restarting and typing that in
[08:03] <cbx33> cool
[08:03] <cbx33> hang on
[08:03] <Radica1Faith> but even if it was that, why would it just randomly start working after a long while?
[08:03] <cbx33> maybe something modprobes it later on?
[08:03] <cbx33> no idea
[08:03] <cbx33> give it a whirl :p
[08:03] <Radica1Faith> alright
[08:03] <Radica1Faith> thankyou very much
[08:04] <cbx33> np
[08:04] <Radica1Faith> wait, why can't i type it in right now and then restart?
[08:04] <cbx33> well type it in now
[08:04] <cbx33> you should get this
[08:04] <cbx33> pete@misato:~$ lsmod | grep ndis
[08:04] <cbx33> ndiswrapper           208656  0
[08:04] <cbx33> usbcore               134912  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[08:05] <cbx33> but on reboot if you don't get those lines, then ndiswrapper is not being loaded
[08:05] <Radica1Faith> ahh i see
[08:05] <Radica1Faith> okay thankyou very much
[08:05] <Radica1Faith> if it isn't loaded
[08:05] <Radica1Faith> how do i start it?
[08:05] <Radica1Faith> modprobe ndiswrapper?
[08:05] <cbx33> yup
[08:06] <cbx33> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper of course
[08:06] <Radica1Faith> okay i remember doing that before and that still didn't help
[08:06] <Radica1Faith> it still took some time
[08:06] <cbx33> hmm
[08:06] <cbx33> define sometime
[08:06] <cbx33> are you using network manager?
[08:06] <Radica1Faith> 5 minutes
[08:06] <Radica1Faith> yes
[08:06] <cbx33> that is a little slow
[08:07] <Radica1Faith> it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me
[08:07] <Radica1Faith> but then again i'm new to this whole linux thing
[08:07] <cbx33> what you can do is try restarting dbus - but I don;t know if that's recommended
[08:07] <cbx33> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[08:07] <cbx33> that restarts the network manager applet
[08:07] <Radica1Faith> okay
[08:08] <Radica1Faith> alright i feel really dumb, but how do you copy text from chat?
[08:08] <cbx33> highlight it and press ctrl+c
[08:09] <cbx33> if you want to paste in to a terminal window
[08:09] <cbx33> you then need to use
[08:09] <cbx33> ctl+shift+v
[08:09] <cbx33> not just ctrl+v
[08:09] <Radica1Faith> ahh, yeah i was wondering why it didn't work in a terminal
[08:09] <Radica1Faith> thankyou
[08:09] <cbx33> np
[08:10] <Radica1Faith> alright i'll be back hopefully before 20 minutes from now
[08:10] <cbx33> cool
[08:11] <LaserJock> I'm so close to uploading an edubuntu-docs package too
[08:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you know where the network places settings are stored?
[08:11] <LaserJock> the ssids?
[08:12] <cbx33> no
[08:12] <cbx33> network places
[08:12] <LaserJock> oh
[08:12] <cbx33> like an smb drive
[08:12] <cbx33> or ftp etc
[08:12] <LaserJock> not really
[08:12] <cbx33> ok
[08:12] <cbx33> bbiab
[08:13] <Meshezabeel> I had an older version of ubuntu that had more screensavers like fireworks etc. Now with 6.10 I only have space scenes and gnome footprints. What package do I need to install the other screensavers? Is there a reason they were taken out of 6.10?
[08:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think they were taken out
[08:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's great, it's my first day at my new(ish) job
[08:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the (ish) part is there since it contains a large part of my old job :)
[08:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: and you?
[08:14] <LaserJock> highvoltage: workin' away
[08:14] <Meshezabeel> Laserjock, all I have is "cosmos" and "floating feet". This is from a fresh install of 6.10.
[08:14] <LaserJock> really?
[08:15] <LaserJock> that's odd
[08:15] <LaserJock> highvoltage: now what is your position?
[08:15] <LaserJock> and what kind of company
[08:16] <LaserJock> Meshezabeel: I'd look in synaptic for xscreensaver
[08:17] <Meshezabeel> Laserjock, ok thanks, looking in synaptic for screensaver, all I get is gnome-screensaver as being installed, there are others not installed including xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl
[08:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's at Impi Linux, our government is converting to open source jsut about everywhere, and we're going to do a lot of the implementation
[08:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: what's cool is, we'll still be doing the distro part of tuxlabs for inkululeko, so I didn't have to abandon anything leaving my old daytime job
[08:20] <LaserJock> Meshezabeel: try installing them
[08:26] <TeePOG> morning
[08:41] <Meshezabeel> Laserjock, thanks got them in xscreensaver-data-extra
[10:05] <LP747> LaserJock: Go to bed!
[10:05] <LaserJock> me?
[10:06] <cbx33> yes you
[10:06] <cbx33> yes you
[10:06] <cbx33> hehe
[10:06] <cbx33> I need to disable frequency scaling on a machine
[10:06] <cbx33> anyone know how?
[10:15] <cbx33> hey juliux
[10:15] <juliux> hi cbx33
[10:15] <juliux> cbx33, how are you?
[10:17] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[10:17] <cbx33> you don;t know how to disable frequency scaling do you?
[10:17] <juliux> from the cpu?
[10:18] <cbx33> yes
[10:18] <juliux> there are two ways
[10:18] <cbx33> ell from wihin linux
[10:18] <cbx33> basically this is the problem
[10:18] <cbx33> the vmware machines clock is getting skewed
[10:18] <juliux> wihin?
[10:18] <cbx33> it's because the processor is changing speed
[10:18] <cbx33> I want to stop it doing it
[10:18] <LaserJock> oh yeah, I read something about that once
[10:19] <LaserJock> have you checked the forums?
[10:19] <cbx33> yeh
[10:19] <cbx33> found nothing
[10:19] <juliux> cbx33, the easy way is to do it with the gnome applet
[10:19] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:19] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[10:19] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[10:19] <RichEd> LaserJock, cbx33 : greetz
[10:19] <RichEd> and juliux
[10:19] <juliux> cbx33, you only have to do this: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[10:20] <juliux> cbx33, then you can change the frequency from the panel
[10:20] <cbx33> will that hold across reboots?
[10:20] <cbx33> LaserJock: GO TO BED
[10:20] <juliux> cbx33, yes
[10:20] <cbx33> cool
[10:20] <cbx33> thanks juliux
[10:20] <ogra> cbx33, /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq_ac_policy is the gconf-key you want to set
[10:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: I *have* to upload edubuntu-docs
[10:20] <ogra> set it to performance
[10:21] <juliux> ogra, but that is not working if you don't change the permissons of cpufreq-selector
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra: thanks dude
[10:21] <LaserJock> ogra will never let me touch an edubuntu app again if I don't ;-)
[10:21] <cbx33> heheh
[10:21] <ogra> juliux, ?
[10:21] <ogra> whats cpufreq-selector ?
[10:21] <juliux> a tool;)
[10:21] <juliux> i tried to change it in gconf but it was not working
[10:21] <ogra> i'm talking about gnome-powermanager
[10:21] <ogra> it5 should directly talk to hal
[10:22] <ogra> which it does for me ...
[10:22] <juliux> hmm
[10:22] <cbx33> ok
[10:22] <cbx33> I'll try it
[10:22] <ogra> but i dont use tools like cpufreq-selector
[10:23] <cbx33> ogra: would I just do gconf-editor
[10:23] <cbx33> or would it be sudo gconf-editor
[10:23] <ogra> yes
[10:23] <ogra> no
[10:23] <cbx33> what if I'm not logged in though
[10:24] <cbx33> i may not be logged into this machine all the time
[10:24] <cbx33> it's a server after all
[10:24] <juliux> RichEd, i set up the server for rockprincess in vienna on monday, so she has no a working edubuntu server in her school
[10:25] <ogra> no=not ?
[10:25] <RichEd> we have been seeing her conversations here in the channel
[10:25] <cbx33> no = now
[10:25] <cbx33> juliux: cool
[10:25] <juliux> no==now ;)
[10:25] <ogra> she couldnt boot the next morning
[10:25] <juliux> omg
[10:25] <RichEd> she said that you impressed the people with your skills and you made edubuntu look real easy to set up
[10:25] <cbx33> ogra: so, will that still work even if I'm not logged in?
[10:25] <cbx33> RichEd: but it is really easy to set up :p
[10:25] <juliux> why she didn't write me an e-mail?
[10:25] <ogra> cbx33, you have to set it once ... i.e. log in once
[10:26] <cbx33> ahh ok
[10:26] <cbx33> thanks
[10:26] <RichEd> but she said that you typed so fast she could not read what you were doing :)
[10:26] <RichEd> hey ogra
[10:26] <juliux> RichEd, that was not fast, it was a craped dell keyboard;)
[10:26] <ogra> RichEd, yo ...
[10:26] <RichEd> juliux: now you are just bragging ;)
[10:27] <cbx33> do i create it?
[10:27] <RichEd> ogra and sbalneav helped her out ... she's now working okay ogra ?
[10:27] <juliux> ogra, is here server no working?
[10:27] <cbx33>  /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq_ac_policy doesn't exist
[10:27] <cbx33> do i create it?
[10:28] <ogra> RichEd, yes, i think so
[10:28] <cbx33> ok created it as string and set to performance
[10:28] <cbx33> I'll log out and in again
[10:28] <ogra> cbx33, no
[10:28] <cbx33> oh
[10:28] <juliux> ogra, what was the error?
[10:29] <ogra> cbx33, ah, wait, indeed you are in the user settings ... you need to create it
[10:29] <cbx33> will this then still hold if I don't log in
[10:29] <cbx33> and reboot the machine
[10:29] <cbx33> i need it to always be set to performance
[10:29] <ogra> juliux, no idea, she wasnt there when she asked about it, i only made the first part of the support, sbalneav did the rest later
[10:30] <juliux> ogra, i will asked here via jabber;)
[10:33] <juliux> ogra, now i know the error;) she used the wrong networkcable
[10:33] <ogra> heh
[10:33] <ogra> ok
[10:34] <juliux> she has two networks in the classroom one for windows, one for edubuntu
[10:34] <ogra> i just know the client couldnt find the dhcp server ... but she couldnt get the logs and configs when she reported it
[10:35] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070301/ <--- for testing
[10:35] <ogra> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20070301/
[10:38] <juliux> brackfast;9
[10:38] <cbx33> seems to have worked ogra
[10:41] <cbx33> damn kerberos authntication :p
[10:47] <ogra> RichEd, wrt your mail: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070301/feisty-serveraddon-i386.iso wait until we have some test results
[10:47] <ogra> its only 200 MB yet
[10:49] <RichEd> thanks :)
[10:50] <cbx33> muuuuuuch better
[10:50] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[10:50] <ogra> :)
[10:50] <cbx33> will i have to login once after the machine is booted each time?
[10:51] <ogra> sadly ...
[10:51] <ogra> gnome-power-manager cant run as system service
[10:51] <ogra> you could probably write a python script that talks to hal via dbus to force the value
[10:52] <cbx33> that's fine
[10:52] <cbx33> thank you so much
[10:52] <cbx33> dude you seriously rock
[10:59] <juliux> re
[11:01] <ogra> RichEd, btw, since you werent in the meeting: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/edubuntu-winfoss-wip.png thats how the add-on CD will look like under windows ;)
[11:03] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:03] <ogra> LaserJock, youre still awake ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> yeah, gotta get edubuntu-docs finished
[11:04] <ogra> phew
[11:04] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[11:04] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[11:06] <RichEd> ogra: looks good ... very nice
[11:06] <ogra> yep
[11:07] <ogra> the add-on CD will be a real added value in the end ...
[11:07] <ogra> "improve both worlds with the edubuntu add-on CD"
[11:11] <ajmitch> heh fun, just talking to flatmate about ldap & kerberos stuff
[11:15] <LaserJock> ogra: edubuntu-docs uploaded
[11:16] <ogra> YAY !!
[11:17] <ajmitch> good
[11:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: crimsun & I agreed that there should be no UVF exception needed for such things
[11:17] <ajmitch> it's just extra work for everyone
[11:18] <ogra> RichEd, its good to download, just tested it ...
[11:19] <RichEd> thanks ... will give it a week or two, and dlwonad and burn when I am back at home
[11:19] <RichEd> *download
[11:20] <ogra> he wont get the sexy gnome-app-install integration though ...
[11:20] <ogra> he'll need to use synaptic
[11:22] <RichEd> that's fine ... they have a shocking telephone network in Zimbabwe, even voice and fax calls get dropped, so anything on a CD will be a life saver for him.
[11:23] <TeePOG> sounds interesting... do you have a link about the add-on CD?
[11:23] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, what were those pam problems you had & why does the current /etc/pam.d situation suck?
[11:23] <ogra> ajmitch, you have to sed through textfiles ... thats not what i understand as "pluggable"
[11:23] <LaserJock> ogra: my night's work is done
[11:23] <LaserJock> almost 2:30am
[11:23] <ajmitch> to add in new pam modules?
[11:24] <ogra> to change configs
[11:24] <ajmitch> one of the main issues I find is that ordering is so critical & easy to mess up
[11:24] <ogra> if you want to change the ssh or gdm scheme, you have to ediut the ssh or gdm textfiles
[11:25] <ogra> a directory with sequenced links like init would be much cleaner for example
[11:25] <ajmitch> except that it uses the common files instead
[11:25] <ajmitch> so you'd want @include common/* ?
[11:25] <ajmitch> or something like that?
[11:26] <ajmitch> it'll be an uphill battle for you to change things
[11:26] <ogra> similat to the include rules, but in a structure you can just link or delete stuff
[11:26] <ogra> right
[11:27] <ajmitch> you can argue about it at UDS :)
[11:27] <ogra> i dont expect it to be easy, but the current situation sucks, so it needs to be improved
[11:28] <TeePOG> erm, anyone? what is the add-on CD about?
[11:28] <ajmitch> yes it does suck, but it's used in a lot of places
[11:28] <ajmitch> most people can get by with common-*
[11:29] <ogra> TeePOG, gaining us space oin the server CD
[11:29] <TeePOG> interesting
[11:30] <TeePOG> is it stable yet?
[11:30] <TeePOG> i suppose not huh?
[11:30] <TeePOG> still, interesting
[11:30] <RichEd> TeePOG: some applications move off CD1 onto CD2 and a whole bunch of new applications are added to CD2, including all language packs.
[11:30] <TeePOG> ah ok ... but doesn't that imply that the installer and initial desktop will only be available in English?
[11:31] <TeePOG> ie. making it difficult for non-English speakers?
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[11:32] <TeePOG> anyway, back to work
[11:32] <TeePOG> later
[11:32] <ogra> RichEd, the langpacks are not on it yet, they will be for beta
[11:32] <ogra> they are the last thing i'll add, if the rest doesnt move anymore
[11:33] <RichEd> ogra: I'm speaking in terms of what we will release to the outside world, not the early mid dev versions that the eager beavers in this channel download :) but thanks for clarifying
[11:34] <ogra> right :)
[12:20] <cbx33> RichEd: sorry to bother you
[12:20] <cbx33> pm?
[12:20] <RichEd> cbx33: will check now'ish ... multi-threading at the moment
[12:20] <cbx33> ok np
[12:21] <cbx33> that's why i didn't bother you
[12:22] <jsgotangco> hello
[01:41] <cbx33> w00t dual head
[01:43] <jsgotangco> congratulations
[01:43] <cbx33> heh
[03:01] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[03:01] <RichEd> hi cbx33 messaging you now
[03:01] <cbx33> ok
[03:01] <cbx33> got confused
[03:01] <cbx33> hehe
[03:04] <a5benwillis> morning guys
[03:38] <intengu> using intergrated ltsp on xubuntu - how do you config ltsp-build-client to use cdrom then fetch missing packages from the internet
[03:38] <cbx33> ogra_: pingity pong -> can i set the default resolution for edubuntu machines on LTSP?
[03:40] <intengu> any ideas ladies & gentlemen
[03:40] <cbx33> unknown from me here
[03:47] <cliebow_> intngu: that is an apt function.right? wouldnt an uncomment in sources.list poit to cdrom
[03:47] <cliebow_> ignore that:got Gadi on the case
[03:54] <cbx33> brb
[03:55] <a5benwillis> cliebow: Good morning!
[03:55] <a5benwillis> cliebow:  Well, not so good morningactually
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[04:10] <ogra_> intengu, you need to do it in two steps
[04:10] <ogra_> mount cdrom, sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
[04:11] <ogra_> then copy the sources.list from the server into the chroot, chroot into it and update it from the net with apt ...
[04:12] <ogra_> whats missing ?
[04:12] <ogra_> in edubuntu it works fine ...
[04:52] <cliebow_> if X:1 -scanpci gives 128:1:0 for a video card shouldnt that be usable as a BusID in xorg.conf
[05:06] <a5benwillis> For anyone thats been following my NCP authentication trials.
[05:06] <a5benwillis>  I can log in and have the user authenticated, their account is created automatically and their netware home directory is mounted.
[05:06] <a5benwillis>  But
[05:06] <a5benwillis>  The last issue I have is thatit takes two log ins for the user to get a session.
[05:06] <a5benwillis>  On the first log in the useris created and .xauthority and two other "." files are created
[05:07] <a5benwillis> The user gets sent back to the login screen (LDM)
[05:07] <a5benwillis> On the second log in all of the .gconf, .gnome etc ate created and the user logs all the way in properly.
[05:07] <a5benwillis>  Anyone havea clue as to why that happens?
[05:09] <ogra_> privilege separation ?
[05:09] <ogra_> try turning it off
[05:09] <a5benwillis> ok
[05:09] <ogra_> do you get a second pw prompt on the commandline ?
[05:10] <a5benwillis> this is from the LDM login screen.
[05:10] <ogra_> yes, i know
[05:10] <ogra_> do you get a second pw prompt on the commandline ? #
[05:10] <a5benwillis> so it just fails back to the login screen
[05:10] <a5benwillis> as in on a;t-f1?
[05:10] <ogra_> if you try to ssh into the server
[05:10] <ogra_> do ssh localhost on the server
[05:11] <ogra_> see if it asks twice
[05:11] <a5benwillis> No, it closes the connection immediatly
[05:12] <a5benwillis> but just like ldm, on the second login it works perfectly
[05:12] <ogra_> does the user you try with exist on your ncp server ?
[05:12] <a5benwillis> yes
[05:12] <ogra_> well, then its not ldms fault
[05:12] <ogra_> surely some pam or ssh thing going on here
[05:13] <a5benwillis> but it doesnt exist on the ltsp server..
[05:13] <ogra_> i mean the ssh to localhost
[05:13] <a5benwillis> sorry, I dont understand
[05:13] <ogra_> does this user exist on your netware server
[05:14] <ogra_> the one you try with on the commandline
[05:15] <a5benwillis> when I try via command line I am connecting to the ltsp server. Its sshd is configured to query the NDS server via pam to authenticate the user. The user exists on the NDS server but not the ltsp server. Upon successfull authentication the user gets created on the ltsp server.
[05:16] <a5benwillis> .
[05:16] <ogra_> define "gets created"
[05:17] <a5benwillis> the same thing happens with privledge seperation = no
[05:17] <a5benwillis> .
[05:17] <a5benwillis> The user is added to passwd file
[05:17] <a5benwillis> home directory is created on the ltsp server
[05:17] <ogra_> and removed dynamically on logout ?
[05:17] <a5benwillis> user is obviously assigned a UID
[05:17] <a5benwillis> no, the user stays
[06:01] <a5benwillis> Ping Ogra
[06:16] <cliebow_> juliux:you had a sun server running dapper?
[06:17] <juliux> cliebow_, yes a old ultra 60
[06:17] <juliux> cliebow_, but just for fun
[06:17] <cliebow_> what video card?
[06:17] <juliux> cliebow_, a sun one
[06:17] <juliux> cliebow_, it is not my sun it is the sun of a friend but i installed with him ubuntu on it
[06:17] <cliebow_> heh.. found pm2v chipset xf86domainio mean anything to you
[06:18] <cliebow_> domain out of range
[06:18] <juliux> i can ask him later what video card is into the sun
[06:18] <cliebow_> if you think of it....thanks
[06:18] <cliebow_> i just dont know what this error means
[06:20] <cliebow_> you did get x running?
[06:20] <juliux> sure
[06:20] <juliux> we run gnome and xfce on it
[06:21] <cliebow_> i dont know how proprtary the cards are...i tried a couple different possibilities..all do nothing
[06:33] <tosky> hi
[06:33] <tosky> Where can I download the edubuntu egdy DVD?
[06:33] <tosky> I saw it on cdimage.ubuntu.com until yesterday, but now there are only the feisty dvd...
[06:41] <cbx33> tosky, oh
[06:41] <cbx33> you sure?
[06:41] <cbx33> checked releases.ubuntu.com
[06:41] <cbx33> ?
[06:44] <tosky> cbx33: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/, only cd :(
[06:44] <cbx33> not sure
[06:44] <cbx33> gtg...bbl
[07:01] <a5benwillis> I need to set the "UserAuthDir in gdm.conf totemp. This file doeasnt exist under the ltsp chroot does it?
[07:01] <a5benwillis> Changing it in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf wont effect the LDM clients will it?
[07:07] <Mean_Machine> hello
[07:07] <Mean_Machine> is anybody here?
[07:07] <Mean_Machine> i need some help
[07:07] <a5benwillis> dont we all :-)
[07:07] <Mean_Machine> i dont know
[07:10] <Mean_Machine> i need to ask you something if you know about installation of edubuntu 6.06
[07:10] <a5benwillis> Does anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?
[07:11] <Mean_Machine> or anybody else
[07:11] <Mean_Machine> come on
[07:11] <a5benwillis> I use 6.10
[07:11] <a5benwillis> Mean_Machine: Be aptient, itstakes a while for the right person to see the question. I would suggest just asking.
[07:12] <Mean_Machine> i am a pretty beginner with this, i just want to try any version
[07:12] <Mean_Machine> first question:
[07:12] <Mean_Machine> if i have a 64bit processor...
[07:12] <Mean_Machine> does it makes problem if installation isnt for 64 bit processores
[07:13] <Mean_Machine> ?
[07:13] <Mean_Machine> hehe
[07:13] <a5benwillis> no
[07:13] <Mean_Machine> are you sure?
[07:13] <a5benwillis> they work with 32 bit os' as well
[07:13] <a5benwillis> yes, I have the same thing
[07:13] <a5benwillis> but am running the 32 bit version
[07:13] <Mean_Machine> well i have problem, cause, when i boot form cd...
[07:13] <Mean_Machine> from*
[07:14] <Mean_Machine> installation simply doesnt start
[07:14] <a5benwillis> try the alternate cd. I had to on my system.
[07:14] <Mean_Machine> it is like that it doesnt resolve my cd rom
[07:14] <a5benwillis> What system do you have? Or what processor
[07:14] <Mean_Machine> i try it
[07:14] <Mean_Machine> i order 5 cd
[07:14] <Mean_Machine> sempron 2600+
[07:14] <a5benwillis> ok, I have an intel 64bit
[07:15] <Mean_Machine> someone told me that problem could be that kernel is "too old"
[07:15] <a5benwillis> the amd should work as well though.
[07:15] <a5benwillis> download the 6.10 alt cd iso and burn it.
[07:15] <Mean_Machine> i try same disk at my old machine
[07:15] <Mean_Machine> and it works well
[07:15] <a5benwillis> Mean_Machine: download the 6.10 alt cd iso and burn it.
[07:15] <rockprincess> Mean_Machine: are you using the 64-bit or the 32-bit version?
[07:16] <Mean_Machine> i think it is 32bit version
[07:17] <Mean_Machine> ?
[07:17] <rockprincess> yeah i'm using the 32bit version as well
[07:17] <Mean_Machine> well, that doesnt solve my problem
[07:18] <rockprincess> i used the alternate install cd, because the live cds / or desktop cds as they're now called screw up my installation process...
[07:18] <a5benwillis> Mean_Machine: Did youtry the 6.06 alt cd?
[07:18] <Mean_Machine> nevermind,i ll see whats happen when i try 64 bit version
[07:18] <Mean_Machine> i dont kno?
[07:18] <Mean_Machine> know
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> what you mean
[07:19] <a5benwillis> do you have access to download a file and burn a cd?
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> no man
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> dial up
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> :9
[07:19] <a5benwillis> ok
[07:19] <a5benwillis> did you order a cd pack?
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> it is serbia
[07:19] <Mean_Machine> yep
[07:19] <a5benwillis> look for a cd marked "Alternate"
[07:20] <Mean_Machine> i received 5 cds
[07:20] <Mean_Machine> and all 5 are same
[07:20] <Mean_Machine> uffff
[07:21] <a5benwillis> Mean_Machine: Im sorry, there isnt much else that we can do.
[07:21] <Mean_Machine> ok
[07:22] <Mean_Machine> jel ima ovde nekog iz srbije,hrvatske,bosne?
[07:22] <Mean_Machine> makedonije'
[07:22] <Mean_Machine> thanks a5
[07:22] <a5benwillis> np
[07:28] <a5benwillis> Does anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?
[07:45] <cbx33> hey ogra
[07:45] <cbx33> howz it going dude
[07:45] <cbx33> my Edubuntu server is kicking ass now ;)
[07:46] <cbx33> I'm not sure if that clock thing worked though....I think what you said work, but I don;t think it solved the issue
[07:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, !!!!!!!!!
[07:49] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[07:49] <a5benwillis> ooh ooh maybe LaserJockknow the answer to my question:-)
[07:49] <a5benwillis> Does anyone know what the chroots equivilent of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is?
[07:50] <cbx33> heheh
[07:50] <cbx33> a5benwillis, why not do
[07:50] <cbx33> locate gdm.conf
[07:51] <a5benwillis> I dontthink its the same nae.
[07:51] <a5benwillis> thatdoesnt show anythning in /opt
[07:51] <cbx33> it won;t be in opt
[07:51] <cbx33> besides.....for the login screen for that you want ldm
[07:51] <cbx33> it's not gdm
[07:52] <a5benwillis> ok
[07:52] <a5benwillis> does LDM use anything similar? I cant find any files related to LDM
[07:52] <cbx33> yes it does
[07:53] <a5benwillis> what Im really tryingto do is change the "UserAuthDir" to /tmp
[07:54] <a5benwillis> wheredo the ldm files live?
[07:54] <cbx33> hmm
[07:54] <cbx33> UserAuthDir
[07:54] <cbx33> where is that set?
[07:54] <cbx33> i mean what program is it for?
[07:54] <a5benwillis> in gdm.conf for gdm
[07:54] <cbx33> hmm
[07:54] <cbx33> i don;t know if ldm does it in the same way
[07:55] <a5benwillis> it tells where to place all of the .gnome files etc
[07:55] <cbx33> cos it is just an ssh login
[07:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:16] <a5benwillis> who was it that created LDM. I've spoken to him in here before.
[08:32] <Burgwork> ogra or mdz did
[08:32] <cbx33> hey Burgwork
[08:32] <cbx33> how did it go?
[08:32] <Burgwork> your chapter?
[08:33] <cbx33> hehe
[08:33] <cbx33> yup
[08:33] <Burgwork> mako currently has it
[08:33] <cbx33> oh
[08:33] <Burgwork> he is working on it in his secret lab
[08:33] <cbx33> is that good or bad
[08:33] <Burgwork> I have no idea
[08:33] <cbx33> did you look through it?
[08:33] <Burgwork> all I know is that the windows to his lab is flashing, ala ren's lab
[08:33] <LaserJock> heh
[08:33] <cbx33> hehe
[08:34] <cbx33> oh Burgwork, you so crazy
[08:34] <LaserJock> I imagine mako's lab to be something like that
[08:35] <Burgwork> ugh, my boss just told me to move the computers back to Fedora
[08:35] <Burgwork> I told him we would move back to FC4 over my dead body
[08:36] <LaserJock> where they Ubuntu?
[08:36] <LaserJock> *were
[08:36] <LaserJock> I hate homonyms
[08:36] <LaserJock> or whatever they are
[08:36] <cbx33> hehe
[08:36] <cbx33> words dat sound da same
[08:36] <cbx33> is wot I calls em
[08:36] <Burgwork> no, I moved to office FC4 --> dapper
[08:37] <LaserJock> and now he wants them back to FC4?
[08:37] <LaserJock> how many?
[08:37] <Burgwork> no, he wants a "common platform with calgary"
[08:37] <Burgwork> 3 computers, 6 users
[08:37] <LaserJock> ah
[08:38] <LaserJock> tell him I'll shred his DM package if he moves to FC4 ;-)
[08:38] <Burgwork> heh
[08:38] <Burgwork> you got the updated one from Jason yet?
[08:38] <LaserJock> I do, but I don't have confirmation yet on if I can upload it
[08:38] <LaserJock> need to bug some motu-uvf guys about that
[08:38] <Burgwork> ah, should I do the UVF stuff?
[08:39] <LaserJock> well, I need to nail down if we even need a UVFe or not
[08:39] <LaserJock> there's no code to review
[08:39] <Burgwork> ah, binary crap
[08:39] <LaserJock> but maybe if you did it as a company rep it'd be fine
[08:39] <Burgwork> I want to use LTSP, dammit
[08:41] <Burgwork> ugh, Fedora means a root account dammit
[08:42] <cbx33> that's a lot of dammits Burgwork
[08:42] <Burgwork> I dislike Fedora
[08:42] <six2one> me too
[09:26] <javiolo> hi
[09:26] <Burgwork> hello javiolo
[09:27] <javiolo> Im looking for kids apps, i have so far installed gcompris, tuxmath, childsplay are there any other learning apps ?
[09:30] <Burgwork> hmm
[09:30] <Burgwork> tuxpaint?
[09:31] <javiolo> mmm is there any app to learn english ?
[09:31] <javiolo> kids from 3 to 6 years old
[09:32] <Burgwork> learn english?
[09:32] <Burgwork> wow
[09:33] <javiolo> yep
[09:33] <javiolo> what ?
[09:33] <Burgwork> thinking
[09:33] <a5benwillis> Does a list exist somewhere?
[09:33] <LaserJock> it's very scattered
[09:33] <javiolo> I didnt found any via apt-get
[09:37] <javiolo> looks that gcompris its the only app for that age...
[09:39] <Burgwork> creating a generic language learning app would be good
[09:40] <javiolo> any idea how to delete all the system, apps and places menu on top ?
[09:42] <LaserJock> you don't want any of them?
[09:43] <a5benwillis> I havea similar question
[09:43] <a5benwillis> Is it possible to create a 'window' that could appear on the desktop of each person logging in via thin client?
[09:44] <javiolo> well I dont want them in the kids account...
[09:44] <a5benwillis> And have icons in this window? This would mimic our Novel Zenworks Window. All studentare used to accessing applications through this common window.
[09:46] <LaserJock> javiolo: you can right click on them and do something like "Remove from panel"
[09:46] <javiolo> LaserJock ahh yes thanks
[09:49] <a5benwillis> How about any info on editingthe default user environmentin the chroot?
[10:30] <mhz> hi all!
[10:31] <LaserJock> hi mhz
[10:31] <mhz> LaserJock: it is still good to see you :)
[10:31] <mhz> Where should I click to get a grasp of what Edubuntu is doing right now?
[10:32] <mhz> (in oter words, where should I forward someone asking about a summary of Edubuntu's current work)
[10:38] <mhz> mhhh, wrong question?
[10:44] <LaserJock> sorry, I was afk
[10:44] <mhz> okis
[10:44] <LaserJock> well, you could look at the Feisty specs
[10:45] <mhz> right, did that already, so that is it
[10:45] <LaserJock> well, you want a brief summary?
[10:46] <mhz> hehe, could be better, indeed, however, I am missing something like a "status" bar :)
[10:47] <LaserJock> well, we don't really have one other than specs
[10:49] <LaserJock> but ogra kicked some butt on LTSP
[10:49] <LaserJock> we got a 2nd CD
[10:49] <LaserJock> that holds all the edu stuff
[10:49] <LaserJock> quite a bit going on with docs
[10:50] <mhz> LaserJock: hmm, what you mean byt "holds all the edu stuff"?
[10:50] <mhz> yeah, docs, docs, docs, always need for docs
[10:52] <LaserJock> we took all of the educational apps off the 1st CD
[10:52] <LaserJock> and put them on a 2nd addon CD
[10:52] <mhz> yeah, oh that is
[10:52] <mhz> duh!
[10:53] <mhz> so 1st CD is basically LTSP setup?
[10:54] <LaserJock> yeah, plus we added back in stuff that we had to take out
[10:58] <mhz> did "the book" ever come to life?
[11:02] <LaserJock> mhz: it's in the edubuntu-docs package as the Edubuntu Handbook
[11:02] <cbx33> mhz, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:02] <LaserJock> it's not quite finished
[11:02] <LaserJock> but it's geetting there
[11:02] <mhz> cbx33: !!!
[11:02] <cbx33> howz it going dude
[11:04] <mhz> it was getting better...but...(always a but) after only a month renting, I gotta move again
[11:04] <mhz> so still can't quite settle down and call any place "home"
[11:06] <mhz> cbx33: I have been contacted by at least 7 people the last 20 days or so, and they all ask me "How can I join the spanish community or start Edubuntu SomeLAtmCountry project"
[11:06] <cbx33> nice
[11:06] <cbx33> brb
[11:07] <mhz> I keep telling them I am so far from the project that I have no idea, and ask them to ask here
[11:13] <a5benwillis> can anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[11:17] <a5benwillis> Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.
[11:39] <chino> so wahts up ed buntu people ?
[12:04] <LaserJock> chino: not a lot apparently ;-)
[12:05] <chino> hehhh
[12:05] <chino> whats up with the terminal client stuff ?
[12:08] <LaserJock> it's cool, it's sweet, and it'll blow your thin client's socks off ;-)
[12:09] <mhz> and it is FLOSS!!
[12:10] <mhz> well, gotta get to work
[12:12] <chino> i've been thinking about starting a business to help local businesses move to such thin client based setups
[12:12] <chino> and then i read about edbuntu which is perfect for school systems
[12:13] <LaserJock> Edubuntu could be really good for businesses to I think
[12:13] <LaserJock> we are moving to using 2CDs for the next release
[12:13] <LaserJock> the 1st CD will be basically Ubuntu+LTSP server stuff
[12:13] <LaserJock> and the 2nd CD will have all the educational apps
[12:14] <LaserJock> so you could install just the 1st CD and change the artwork a bit and it'd probably be pretty decent for businesses