[12:28] <Riddell> mhb: depends if mithrandir will let it through or not
[12:42] <mhb> Riddell: hope he will let the patch trough.
[12:42] <mhb> good night, folks
[12:51] <Lure> allee: showfoto does not install here - does it work for you on edgy?
[12:51] <Lure> allee: showfoto depends on digikam (>= 2:0.9.1~rc2); however: ersion of digikam on system is 2:0.9.1~rc2-0~lure0feisty1
[01:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: could you take a look at this "bug"? I don't have feisty... http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080316
[01:43] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ty
[01:44] <Hobbsee> eek, so it does
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: tell _stefans_ about that when he comes back
[01:45] <Jucato> sure thing. thanks for testing :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> or whoever's doing that dialogue
[01:45] <Jucato> or actually I'm waiting for the upgrade tool...
[01:46] <manchicken> Anybody else seeing adept just DIE when it starts up?
[01:46] <xerosis> manchicken: it's pretty common
[01:47] <manchicken> xerosis: It wasn't before.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> manchicken: that due to the kdesu thing, or something else?
[01:47] <Jucato> Adept is quite adept at doing weird stuff once in a while :)
[01:47] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Oh, is it kdesu related?  Is there a bug posted?
[01:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Don't hate the player, hate the game ;)
[01:47] <Jucato> manchicken: I don't hate you at all :)
[01:47] <manchicken> I was thinking one of my patches screwed something up weird.
[01:48] <Jucato> see? I blame the patch. not the author :)
[01:48] <manchicken> I can't seem to reproduce this issue with my own development version of adept, but I'm only using sudo in my chroot for that.
[01:48] <manchicken> Nice.
[01:48] <manchicken> I totally forgot what the timeline was for feisty, so I'm now behind.
[01:48] <manchicken> Gotta play catch-up.
[01:48] <xerosis> I get crashes about 50% of the time when opening adept...
[01:49] <manchicken> xerosis: On feisty?
[01:49] <xerosis> manchicken: yep
[01:49] <manchicken> xerosis: Did it just start happening recently?
[01:49] <manchicken> I'm getting segv every time I try to start it.
[01:49] <manchicken> Without fail.
[01:49] <xerosis> for the last week or so?
[01:49] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: search in kdebase - there's a big long kdesu/sudo bug
[01:49] <manchicken> Okay.
[01:49] <manchicken> I'm not gonna fight that one.
[01:50] <Hobbsee> oh, a segv?
[01:50] <manchicken> I've got plenty of adept issues to fight ^_^
[01:50] <manchicken> Yeah, it's giving a fat segv.
[01:50] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you know that string freeze appears to be soon?
[01:50] <manchicken> Sometimes it'll start first.
[01:50] <manchicken> I'm not doing any new strings.
[01:50] <manchicken> Just bug squishin'
[01:51] <manchicken> I'm hoping someone reviewed the strings for the new adept features.  I'm nowhere near a usability expert.
[01:51] <manchicken> I also need a hand debugging a couple things with adept.
[01:51] <manchicken> That changelog issue in adept_updater (crashing on ItemChangelog.changelogUrl() calls) is getting pretty old.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> neat
[01:51] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah, this is weird.  Sometimes I get segv, sometimes I get nothing, sometimes kdesu never even shows up.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:52] <manchicken> We've got beta freeze coming here soon.
[01:52] <manchicken> What does beta freeze mean?  Just a code-freeze until the beta version is out?
[01:52] <manchicken> Ah, I'm getting SIGABRT on adept.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[01:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[01:52] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[01:53] <manchicken> I assumed that since I was seeing the crash dialog that it was segv.
[01:53] <manchicken> It's a SIGABRT.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: everything's supposed to work, and be thoroughly tested
[01:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Wanna help me find this changelog issue?
[01:53] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:54] <Hobbsee> if i'm around in ~1.5 hours, then maybe
[01:54] <manchicken> Righto.
[01:56] <xerosis> just interested, what happens if a bug like this can't be fixed in time for release?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> xerosis: which bug in particular?
[01:56] <manchicken> That's a good question ^_^
[01:56] <xerosis> any adept crasher ;)
[01:56] <manchicken> I think it means we throw more people at it if it looks like it may be risking missing the release.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> if there's a release critical bug, then someone really really has to fix it
[01:57] <Hobbsee> and you're not going to get rid of all crashers
[01:57] <manchicken> It would be easy to get the changelog thing out of the UI until it could be fixed to make it hit the release.  Dunno.
[01:58] <xerosis> was just interested, i'm trying to get into more devel stuff but my distro release knowledge is naive :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> xerosis: you'll learn it :)
[01:59] <xerosis> do i want to though? ;)
[01:59] <manchicken> It's pretty easy to pick it up.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> xerosis: yes.  :P
[01:59] <xerosis> i'm only doing it for the fame and headlines :p
[02:01] <xerosis> so worst case, if adept was still crashing on start and no-one could fix before release, what would likely happen?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> more people would look into ti
[02:02] <Hobbsee> or they'd revert whatever made it crash
[02:37] <Majost> so I have to ask....
[02:38] <Majost> how do you get the nightly kubuntu snapshot isos to boot after installing them?
[02:39] <Majost> nm
[02:39] <Majost> seems to have been a hickup
[03:08] <manchicken> I think I'm going to have these column fixes done...
[03:24] <jjesse> boo woo
[03:26] <bddebian> Don't cry :-)
[03:27] <manchicken> bddebian: How're your C++ and gdb skills? ;)
[03:27] <jjesse> how are you bddebian?  haven't had a chance to see you in awhile
[03:28] <jdong> jjesse: I think it's boo _hoo_?
[03:28] <jjesse> hey i can't type tonight
[03:28] <jjesse> i'm on a loaner laptop :(
[03:28] <jjesse> it's great when you are in training and laptop crashes
[03:28] <jjesse> and you have to do a presentation to pass the class
[03:28] <bddebian> manchicken: I SUCK at C++ unfortunately :-(
[03:29] <manchicken> Boo hoo.
[03:29] <bddebian> jjesse: OK, thx. Yourself?
[03:29] <jjesse> see previous comments i would be better
[03:29] <manchicken> I'm trying to corner someone into helping me debug this thing.
[03:29] <jjesse> can't finish the chpt updates i need to do as loaner is a windows machine :(
[03:29] <bddebian> w00t :)
[03:36] <manchicken> First patch I've submitted in a while.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: did you figure it out?
[03:44] <manchicken> Not the changelog thing.
[03:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: lucky you
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh
[03:45] <jjesse> hello sarah
[03:45] <jjesse> where you traveling you need your passport?
[03:45] <manchicken> I got the column thing fixed.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hiya jjesse.  spain
[03:46] <jjesse> ah for UDS
[03:46] <jjesse> ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:04] <manchicken> Riddell is gonna be happy.
[04:04] <manchicken> He mentioned those columns earlier.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[04:04] <manchicken> Bug was pwned.
[04:05] <manchicken> Though I still don't know where that little icon ran off to.
[04:05] <manchicken> I'm gonna run to bed now.  Check y'all later.
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Heya Hobbsee
[04:35] <DaSkreech> jjesse: ping
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: remember my non kernel panic?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the non-booting one?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Apparently some update blew away my inittab
[05:28] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:32] <DaSkreech> yup :)
[05:32] <DaSkreech> reinstalled
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: bah, inittab is overrated, I just start my machine with init=/bin/sh and start everything by hand :p
[06:13] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Well the fun thing is the machine was trying to start itself with apparently no clue as to where it was going
[06:14] <DaSkreech> It still uses it it seems
[06:15] <DaSkreech>  I really really need a tut on upstart
[06:16] <stdin> it may still use it, but it's not created by default
[06:18] <Jucato> which means that a missing inittab file is normal starting edgy?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> This was feisty
[06:20] <stdin> I have one on edgy, just not feisty
[06:20] <Jucato> "starting edgy" = edgy and onwards :)
[06:21] <stdin> maybe because I upgraded dapper -> edgy, not fresh install, and sysvinit just left the inittab there
[06:21] <DaSkreech> I have one on edgy
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Right so does upstart know about runlevels?
[06:22] <stdin> sure it does
[06:22] <Jucato> !upstart
[06:22] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[06:23] <DaSkreech> so if I have a pure upstart system would I still have a init command?
[06:24] <Lathiat> yeh for compatability
[06:24] <stdin> yeah, but the command to change runlevel is: telinit
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Lathiat: Far as I know there is a upstart-compat-sysv package for that. I meant pure upstart
[06:29] <Lathiat>  /sbin/init is provided purely by upstart, telinit etc are by compat-sysv
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Ah
[07:11] <Lure> Riddell: that is cool idea - maybe we should consider this after Herd5/Beta: http://www.advogato.org/person/seb128/diary.html?start=36
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Lure: indeed.  i've been thinking about it a bit, w.r.t the testing team
[07:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: by doing package by package, it helps with focus and knowledge sharing...
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: indeed.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Lure: we should get people like yuriy, etc, together.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> maybe start with kdebase.
[07:15] <yuriy> sounds like a good idea
[07:15] <yuriy> probably not so much me though. break's over :( midterms time
[07:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's not for the -testers team that mhb made, right?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> yuriy: ahh, darn.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we could grab them too.
[07:16] <Jucato> ah but what is this team for? testing packages?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> they need to learn to triage, to test
[07:16] <yuriy> i go to one of like 2 colleges in the us that have break in february. so i had plenty of time last week, hence all the bugwork
[07:17] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i posted a thread on kfn to try to recruit and educate people
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[07:17] <yuriy> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080237.0
[07:18] <Jucato> oh so that was you!
[07:18] <Jucato> now I know
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Is there a nexus for kubuntu blogs?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: planet.ubuntu.com
[07:19] <DaSkreech> That sounds very gnomish
[07:20] <yuriy> it would be like planet.ubuntu.com INTERSECT planet.kde.org
[07:21] <Lure> DaSkreech: exactly, that is why we need more kde blogs there ;-)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's desktop-agnostic
[07:22] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: there's also ubuntu-users planet somewhere
[07:23] <DaSkreech> can we get a KXF&E set of RSS feeds?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: likely.  put it up
[07:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I just have to fill it  up with Linux stuff first, I guess...
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Currently it talks about his bodily reactions to new diets *shudders*
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/blog
[07:25] <yuriy> Hobbsee: why oh why?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yuriy: because i can?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yuriy: because it's stupid to make a bot respond to another bot.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> oh darn, it got kicked from the channel before it got thrown off the network
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What the heck are you talking about nearly the entire blog is about linux
[07:28] <DaSkreech> There is very little bodily functions in tehre at all!
[07:28] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it is? O.o
[07:28] <yuriy> i don't even see the bodily functions post. linux linux linux
[07:29] <Jucato> hehe
[07:30] <Jucato> ugh! budily
[07:30] <Jucato> bodily damnit!
[07:37] <Lure> Jucato: please add it to PLanet : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[07:37] <Jucato> Lure: a freesoftware feed is needed right?
[07:37] <Jucato> heh I'm more worried about contents being good enough :P
[07:37] <DaSkreech> No. You can ..
[07:37] <Lure> Jucato: nice to have, but there are others with personal views on other topics, so I think nobody cares
[07:38] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I can what?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Hmm how do you say spew bodily functions all over the planet without being offensive?
[07:38] <Jucato> :P
[07:38] <Lure> Jucato: looks good to me ;-)
[07:39] <Jucato> heh ok thanks. I'll add it later... after I get through my sister's accident first..
[07:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: why?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> there are a couple of guys outside my house, looking really suss
[07:47] <Hobbsee> just staring at it
[07:47] <Jucato> ouch...
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Who lives closest to you that you have a number for?
[07:52] <DaSkreech>  call them and tell them to come over
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: How far are they from the house?
[07:54] <DaSkreech> it's 0 isn't it?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: just tried, they didnt answer the door
[07:58] <DaSkreech> They are still there?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> they look like two teenagers talking and kissing in their car....but i dunno...
[07:58] <Hobbsee> they have been pointing at my house a fair bit
[07:58] <DaSkreech> The two guys?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> one's a girl, sorry
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Oh
[07:59] <DaSkreech> how long have they been there?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> ages.  didnt see when they got here
[08:00] <DaSkreech> and it's not the sky over your house. It's the house they are interested in?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Who's the nearest person you have a number for?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> across the road - just calling them now
[08:01] <DaSkreech> 000
[08:01] <DaSkreech> That's It :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> hehe, yup
[08:04] <Hobbsee> there's a local number too
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Hi! Yes this lovely young person has been kidnapped. No I don't know where she is... no I don't know where she used to live.. Well I can tell you she uses Kubuntu. No I'm calling from Jamaica.. NO I am NOT just making this up we need the princess' POINTY STICK OF DOOOOOOM!! Don't You dare hang up o*clik*
[08:04] <Hobbsee> darn, htey're not there
[08:05] <Hobbsee> okay, i think i'm just going to go to work
[08:05] <Hobbsee> have left a message
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Don't have any mates with cars and cell phones?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> have got the car numberplate
[08:05] <Hobbsee> not around here
[08:05] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:06] <Hobbsee> everything's bolted down, so they'd have tboule getting in
[10:08] <_StefanS_> mornings
[10:09] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!! just the guy I was waiting for :)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Jucato: bash_profile ? :D
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what's the deadline for adding that kdesu fade stuff ?
[10:09] <Jucato> _StefanS_: no. this is for you :P http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080316
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I mean, how long time do I have to get my acts together :)
[10:10] <Jucato> _StefanS_: Hobbsee confirmed that "bug"
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oka, Enter should work the same way as space does it
[10:11] <Jucato> yep
[10:11] <Jucato> sorry can't test it myself...
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah.. I know why
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Cancel is the default button for the Enter key
[10:12] <Jucato> oh... O.o
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so this one should be easy stuff indeed. I will have to do some work first, but will have the fix uploaded later tonight if all goes well.
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: can you write that on the forum, because i'm not registered there
[10:13] <Jucato> sure no problem.
[10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: thanks.
[10:13] <Jucato> I was actually waiting for your input to do just that :)
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: goody :D
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you can always send me an email if you encounter stuff like that, I check the mail every minute.. -> sfs@enhance-it.dk
[10:15] <Jucato> every minute?!? O.o
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yea, I have two laptops.. working on the one on the left, while having OSS stuff running on the one on the right :D
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so I can always see stuff happening
[10:16] <Jucato> haha
[10:16] <Jucato> nice.. 2 machines :(
[10:17] <_StefanS_> yes.. actually I have one more laptop, and a dedicated server aswell. So there's good chances to test different stuff
[10:17] <_StefanS_> helping me a number of times when stuff doesn't work
[10:17] <Jucato> O.O
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Jucato: let me know if you need a shell account/webspace or something, I have plenty to spare
[10:19] <Jucato> sure. right now I have a webspace :)
[10:19] <Jucato> thanks for the offer :)
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Jucato: If you can settle for a ssh / shell account I can help..
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but its probably more a physical machine I figure..
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: that you need :)
[10:21] <Jucato> yeah. definitely the latter one :)
[10:21] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:21] <Jucato> although a metaphysicsal machine wouldn't be half as bad :D
[10:22] <Jucato> er.. "metaphysical"... damn I can't spell :)
[10:22] <_StefanS_> I get you..
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what kind of machine are you afteR?
[10:23] <Jucato> heh actually anything... a laptop would be kool, but not necessary, as I don't get to go out most of the time
[10:24] <Jucato> I'm just thinking that I would probably need another machine once I get down and dirty into development... (Kubuntu and KDE...)
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: latops are the best, I just hate those big clunky desktops..
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you can do that in vmware
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I use it very much
[10:25] <Jucato> _StefanS_: or chroot stuff... but I'm not familiar with that yet
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well yes, but chrooting doesn't always give you a full machine
[10:26] <Jucato> yeah, that's why I'm not yet really planning on buying another computer or laptop... but if one comes my way along the way, I wouldn't let it pass :)
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I mean you're still dependent on the kernel and stuff
[10:26] <Jucato> uhuh
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well too bad I dont have a laptop to spare ;)
[10:26] <Jucato> haha
[10:26] <Jucato> I'm waiting for April to come.... that's when my sister will get an office laptop and leave hers home :D
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you should have a applied for that cpu I gave away
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: then you could have built your own lappie
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well april's not that far away hehe
[10:27] <Jucato> yeah... hopefully my sister's accident today won't delay that, though...
[10:27] <Jucato> :(
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ouch I hope its not serious
[10:28] <Jucato> the ct scan showed nothing and she's on her way home
[10:28] <_StefanS_> I had a colleague that was hit by a cab a few weeks ago..
[10:29] <Jucato> steel bar from a door fell on her head
[10:29] <_StefanS_> oh sh*t
[10:29] <Jucato> ouch... now that's serious...
[10:29] <_StefanS_> well he only broke a leg and had a concusion (head injury)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> the cab was going 60km/hr, and he smashed the windshield of it
[10:30] <_StefanS_> he got of rather easy... could have been much worse
[10:30] <Jucato> ouch...
[10:31] <_StefanS_> well we were quite a bit worried since the first messages didn't really indicate how bad it was
[11:18] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no set deadline, just as soon as possible
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay, I will try and get it done
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: asap
[12:09] <kwwii> so how about this one.....
[12:10] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2.png
[12:19] <Erunno> The progress bar and the text/icon doesn't *seem* to centered (the bar seems to be a little too far left).
[12:24] <Riddell> I'm not sure about the hollow effect
[12:30] <kwwii> Erunno: the bars get cut out of the pic, that is just to show you how it would look
[12:30] <kwwii> Riddell: the best thing about that pic for usplash is that the ubuntu usplash is similar
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems we didnt get burgled.
[01:07] <mhb> hiall
[01:07] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[01:07] <mhb> kwwii: oh, that one looks really nice for me
[01:08] <mhb> kwwii: I like it
[01:08] <mhb> kwwii: a lot
[01:08] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:08] <kwwii> I thought you would :-)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> oh?
[01:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh that's great! (sorry afk)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yup.  was 15 mins late to work, but they didnt care :P
[01:12] <Jucato> haha!
[01:12] <Hobbsee> turns out they didnt have a place where i *could* work, as they were idiots.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> people on registers must be =< number of registers possible to use
[01:13] <Hobbsee> it's simple maths.  only requires fingers and toes.
[01:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: And braincells.
[01:13] <Jucato> lol
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yaeh, well, there arent too many of them at work.  especially for those in management
[01:21] <Tm_T> Hmmh, hate when I'm starting to know too well how bad situation is in local edu sector.
[01:22] <Tm_T> Feel like I should do something when I basically can't.
[01:23] <mhb> kwwii: well, it doesn't seem others share my enthusiasm about it :o)
[01:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: usplash theme, afaik
[01:30] <kwwii_> mhb: sorry, I missed the comments...who said what?
[01:31] <mhb> kwwii_: no, you didn't :o)
[01:31] <mhb> kwwii_: well, only Jonathan &Erunno commented on it
[01:31] <Jucato> I think that was the point... the lack of comments... :/
[01:32] <kwwii_> ahaaaa
[01:32] <kwwii_> now I get it
[01:32] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: that logo is far better than the current, though you might want to add a little blueish to the black kubuntu text
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh
[01:32] <Jucato> or a little blueish glow....
[01:33] <kwwii_> the thing is that the real branding has black text
[01:33] <kwwii_> but I do get your point
[01:34] <kwwii_> my idea was to go away from the jello looking stuff, it is not serious enough
[01:34] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: hmm ok, the bluish might even ruin the "quality" / "solid" feel you have now
[01:34] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: I think you chose good colors anyways when I look more at it
[01:34] <Jucato> kwwii_: just a more bluish outer glow to the text wouldn't probably hurt the branding
[01:35] <kwwii_> Jucato: yeah, you might be right
[01:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could you try to whiten the texts lower edges a bit, and keep the colors you have now ?
[01:36] <kwwii_> _StefanS_: actually I did that already, most people said it made the text look too blocky
[01:36] <mhb> kwwii_: I like the "make the look more serious" idea behind that
[01:36] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: maybe that will di the trick.. I think the text sort of needs stand out more
[01:37] <_StefanS_> oh
[01:37] <kwwii_> the hardest part about giving the text a 3d character is that it has to match that of the logo
[01:37] <kwwii_> the "circular device" I mean
[01:37] <Jucato> so the next logo will be less... um...embossed? (looked like candy actually)
[01:39] <kwwii_> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2a.png
[01:39] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could you try to make the bottom like the upper part please ?
[01:40] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: I'm not sure that fading in the bottom really is good for the logo
[01:40] <Jucato> I think that looks a bit better...
[01:41] <mhb> kwwii_: I liked the first progress bar more
[01:41] <_StefanS_> yes I agree on that
[01:42] <apokryphos> the conventional center text/logo boot-up splashscreen is boring 8)
[01:43] <Erunno> The progress bar design matches nicely with the rest of the Ubuntu design, because it is used in other applications as well.
[01:43] <_StefanS_> btw, what is the key to show bootup messages in feisty ?
[01:43] <Jucato> apokryphos: let me guess... suse's? :D
[01:43] <Jucato> _StefanS_: remove "quiet" from menu.lst?
[01:43] <Erunno> It's less so in KDE/Kubuntu, the progress bar there looks different.
[01:43] <apokryphos> Jucato: theirs sometimes is.
[01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yea, but not permanently - I just occasionally want to see messages
[01:44] <Jucato> ah
[01:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I know there was talk about it at some point
[01:44] <Jucato> usplash doesn't have that feature
[01:44] <Jucato> so far no one has been able to give me an answer yet to my question about usplash...
[01:44] <Jucato> or at least pointed me where I could ask :P
[01:44] <Erunno> Apropos, just a general question: Is this channel meant only for developers or open to the common rabble as well ?
[01:45] <mhb> Erunno: #kubuntu-offtopic is better for that
[01:45] <kwwii_> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2b.png
[01:45] <kwwii_> I think that is what you meant?
[01:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: yes exactly
[01:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: far more readable
[01:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: now kubuntu text should be floating with the middle of the - in the kubuntu logo
[01:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: ie. move it a bit down
[01:46] <kwwii_> _StefanS_: that is one thing I cannot do
[01:46] <Jucato> hm... doesn't the logo itself look a bit out of place? I mean... it looks artificially placed beside the text....
[01:46] <kwwii_> there are explicit locations
[01:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: oh
[01:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I see your point..
[01:47] <kwwii_> the top of the text meets the top of the inner cirlce
[01:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: yes but that doesn't balance the logo
[01:47] <kwwii_> the bottom of the text meets the upper side of the bottom of the circle
[01:48] <kwwii_> and the top of the smaller text letters meets the bottom side of the top of the inner circle
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Erunno: this is for development related discussion, but various other things get discussed too, usually among the regular people in here.  of course, if devleopment talk is going on, then the other stuff is regarded as offtopic.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> straight offtopic stuff is better for #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:48] <kwwii_> this was not stuff decided by me...I can only work with it
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did you tell _StefanS_ about the bug?
[01:49] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: got it, and have a fix
[01:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yep. he's going to fix it
[01:49] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could we try that bluish thing perhaps?
[01:50] <Jucato> er... s/will keep/is keeping a/
[01:50] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: still with sharp eg
[01:50] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: edges
[01:51] <kwwii_> _StefanS_: yepp, but first I am getting lunch ;-)
[01:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: sure, just msg me
[01:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: looking forward to seeing it
[01:51] <kwwii_> _StefanS_: I'll do that :-)
[01:52] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: sweet
[01:55] <Jucato> "or"!!
[01:55] <sebas> Hobbsee: My dishes or yours?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> sebas: the ones that i used when cooking last night.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ie, mine
[01:56] <apokryphos> kwwii_: if you don't mind my asking, how does usplash compare to bootsplash?
[01:56] <sebas> Hobbsee: Bed, then.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> found you!
[01:57] <kwwii_> apokryphos: the bootsplash can do much more
[01:57] <kwwii_> but the usplash is not a kernel patch
[01:57] <Jucato> pure user space stuff?
[01:57] <kwwii_> exactly
[01:57] <Jucato> ah
[01:58] <apokryphos> interesting
[01:58] <Jucato> kwwii_: you indirectly answered my question :)
[02:00] <Lure> kwwii_: not bad, because it it less blue - maybe still some blue cast on kubuntu text?
[02:01] <Jucato> see? people want blue. :D
[02:01] <kwwii_> Lure: yeah, going to work on something like that after lunch
[02:02] <Jucato> let kwwii_ eat his lunch!! :D
[02:02] <Hobbsee> nah...
[02:03] <Lure> Jucato: I like blue, but move from solid blue fill to just blueish cast is probably the way to go...
[02:04] <Lure> kwwii_: I am amazed what can be done with 256 colors ;-)
[02:04] <Jucato> oh that's 256 colors only?! O.o
[02:04] <kwwii_> if you do it right :-)
[02:05] <Jucato> nothing's impossible for the kwwii_-man :)
[02:05] <kwwii_> except lunch
[02:06] <Jucato> heh ok ok... eat! :)
[02:39] <Lure> any MOTU around? Can you sponsor upload for bug 88793 ?
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88793 in kpowersave "UVF exception 0.6.2 -> 0.7.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88793
[03:18] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:19] <dinosaur-rus> I have real problems with Adept -- since yesterday it crashed twice. today it crashed when I tried to update packages
[03:21] <neutraloss> use apt-get
[03:22] <neutraloss> there was a new release on the repo that fixed my adept issues
[03:23] <Riddell> yes, should be fixes in -0ubuntu19
[03:24] <Jucato> Riddell: when will the upgrade tool be available for testing? (re: mhb's mail to kubuntu-testers)
[03:25] <Riddell> Jucato: actually it should work now in most cases
[03:25] <Jucato> ok
[03:25] <Riddell> but it crashes if it doesn't like your apt setup
[03:25] <Riddell> and the fixes package is stuck in soyuz somewhere
[03:25] <Riddell> fixed
[03:26] <Jucato> oh... soyuz... that might take days.. hence your reply to mhb?
[03:26] <Riddell> mmm
[03:26] <Riddell> but if you want to try it, please do
[03:26] <Jucato> this weekend then... just want to make sure I do it properly for testing purposes...
[03:27] <mhb> Jucato: I'm sure once Riddell tells me it's fixed we'll let everyone know :o)
[03:28] <Jucato> ok. I'll wait till then :)
[03:28] <mhb> Jucato: I intend to mail some information about it to kubuntu-users and to some other places
[03:28] <Jucato> I'm more anxious about testing the upgrade process than actually getting into feisty :)
[03:28] <mhb> Jucato: so we gain more testers
[03:28] <Jucato> oh yuriy_ made a similar "call" in kubuntuforums.net
[03:29] <Jucato> (no replies yet though
[03:29] <Jucato> oh my bad, he was talking about bug hug day
[03:30] <Jucato> mhb: if you don't mind, I'll probably copy your email and post it in kubuntuforums.net as well
[03:32] <mhb> Jucato: that would be great, but please wait until the dist-upgrade tool is ready for wider testing
[03:33] <mhb> Jucato: that's what I'm waiting for, too
[03:33] <Jucato> yeah. I meant the email you will be sending when it's ready :)
[03:33] <neutraloss> I'd test but I'm already at FF4
[03:33] <neutraloss> I have another machine I can upgrade though
[03:33] <neutraloss> hehe - here's a test, upgrade from FC5
[03:34] <Jucato> O.o
[03:35] <neutraloss> btw, I've been looking around, but is there a way to get flash to work in Konqueror 64bit?
[03:35] <neutraloss> either the i32 libraries or the chroot method?
[03:36] <Jucato> !flash64
[03:36] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:36] <Jucato> hm... no Konqueror I guess...
[03:44] <neutraloss> Do most people run Konqueror as their exclusive web browser?
[03:45] <neutraloss> I was under the impression that because Firefox used a lot of gnome libraries that Konqueror was "better", but that's a layman's understanding of it.
[03:45] <Jucato> some use firefox...
[03:53] <neutraloss> is anyone here running xserver-xgl / fglrx with respectable scrolling performance?
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[03:57] <Jucato> boo!
[03:57] <Jucato> :D
[03:57] <bddebian> ahhh
[03:57] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:58] <neutraloss> hola bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Hello neutraloss
[03:59] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: are you back yet?
[03:59] <Jucato> :D
[04:21] <mhb> hmm
[04:22] <mhb> the good thing is that usplash is finally working almost flawlessly for me
[04:22] <mhb> it used to switch to console, but not anymore
[04:22] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/CommunityQuestionTime currently going on btw
[04:22] <Jucato> oh
[04:22] <mhb> I just wonder why Ubuntu's gdm will be ran sooner than kdm
[04:23] <mhb> I mean priority-wise
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Ran sooner?
[04:23] <mhb> DaSkreech: sorry, gets initialized sonner
[04:23] <mhb> sooner :o)
[04:24] <DaSkreech> mhb: yay we are in the same club!
[04:24] <mhb> the problem is that the kdm is initialized so late here that usplash switches to console first
[04:25] <Jucato> O.o
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah I see what you mean
[04:26] <mhb> or at least that's my explanation for the fact that usplash switched to console first
[04:29] <neutraloss> what's the solution?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> init usplash earlier?
[04:30] <mhb> DaSkreech: kdm, I suppose
[04:30] <DaSkreech> maybe
[04:33] <kwwii_> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2b.png
[04:34] <Jucato> oooh I likey :)
[04:35] <Erunno> Might I suggest to turn on anti-aliasing in gwenview in the default settings ? I was wondering images looked so blocky before I realized it was turned off.
[04:36] <Erunno> Huge artifacts don't make the best impression ;-)
[04:37] <Jucato> where is that setting?
[04:37] <mhb> kwwii_: did you change the colors of the progress bar from the original tester2.png because you had to?
[04:39] <Erunno> Jucato: Settings -> Configure Gwenview -> View (hope this is correct, I'm translating from german).
[04:39] <Jucato> only "smoothing"... maybe the same?
[04:40] <Erunno> Jucato: Probably.
[04:40] <Jucato> None - Fast - Normal - Best?
[04:40] <Erunno> Jucato: That's it.
[04:41] <mhb> kwwii_: somehow I still like the _2 progressbar more than the current one ... the 2b progressbar seems to be more "green" than the first one
[04:42] <mhb> kwwii_: but if we can't make a better one because of the colors, I can live with it :o)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> kwwii_: +1
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Anyone know if Hobbsee got to work ok?
[04:46] <yuriy_> the usplash logo is changint that much?
[04:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yep she did
[04:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: and the house was safe too
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Good
[04:57] <DaSkreech> kwwii_: are we changing the wallpaper
[05:01] <DaSkreech> 3 people in my office are saying that they like kubuntu except out of the box they don't like the wallpaper
[05:01] <DaSkreech> However they do like GHNS so..... :-/
[05:01] <Jucato> GHNS?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: that's the third time You've asked me that. I swear
[05:02] <Jucato> really?
[05:03] <Jucato> ah yeah
[05:03] <Jucato> fine sorry
[05:03] <mhb> Jucato: you know, sometimes google helps faster :o)
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Get Hot new stuff :)
[05:03] <Jucato> yeah... irc habit...
[05:03] <DaSkreech> mhb: certainly faster than me :-)
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: it's my other Pimp focus
[05:04] <DaSkreech> KDE's ace in the hole if we can sort out the two problems
[05:05] <kwwii_> mhb: just playing with different progress bars
[05:05] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: probably just going to adjust the colors a bit on the wallpaper
[05:06] <mhb> kwwii_: okay :o) now you know what my personal preference is .o)
[05:06] <kwwii_> you are right with the progress bar, the darker less green version is better
[05:25] <Lure> kwwii_: you rock!
[05:25] <Lure> kwwii_: (I am sure you already know that ;-) )
[05:28] <kwwii_> ;-)
[05:32] <kwwii_> Riddell: which branch of kubuntu-default-settings should I take?
[05:33] <Riddell> kwwii_: the one that isn't yours :)
[05:33] <Riddell> bzr checkout sftp://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[05:33] <Riddell> s/jr/kwwii/
[05:34] <kwwii_> Riddell: yeah, I was wondering why there are two with my name on them :-)
[05:34] <DaSkreech> seele: ping
[05:36] <Riddell> kwwii_: you can change the status of those to Merged if you want them to be hidden
[05:37] <seele> DaSkreech: pong
[05:37] <seele> DaSkreech: i'm on a crappy network so i might be in and out
[05:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: thnx, done
[05:39] <DaSkreech> seele: ok. someone was just asking about the GHNS dialog box. Why is install right beside close. They were asking if close could be moved to the left side of the dialog. Would that go against anything KDE standards or usability?
[05:39] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that dialogue is being redesigned for KDE 4
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Cool :) Of course here we insert screenshot or shut up
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Who's redesigning the dialog? josef?
[05:41] <seele> GHNS?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> KGHNS?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Get Hot New Stuff
[05:42] <seele> superkaramba?  or is ghns separate from that?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> seele: Go to the Wallpaper Dialog box there is a button that says Get New Wallpaper. Click that
[05:43] <seele> i have it open in SK, i assume its the same?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Everything from there on is GHNS
[05:44] <seele> ok
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I guess I've never used SK :)
[05:44] <seele> Riddell: who is working on the dialog for kde4?
[05:44] <seele> DaSkreech: and no you cant move the close button to the left
[05:44] <DaSkreech> seele: What does that Violate?
[05:44] <seele> guidelines, i.e. consistency
[05:46] <seele> if it looks like a window, the close button has to be there
[05:46] <Riddell> seele: Josef Spillner
[05:46] <seele> Riddell: ok
[05:47] <DaSkreech> That's what I thought. So should the install button move?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Or that's all josef and when he's done you would be able to review?
[05:48] <seele> well since josef is working on it, i guess its however he wants to do it
[05:48] <seele> i dont know if he has a new design in mind or not, or if he wants to redesign it before implementing, or just get it converted and work on a new design after
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Ok I'll see if I can find him :)
[05:49] <seele> it would be better to design first then code, but i dont know what his priorities are
[05:49] <seele> ok thats fine
[05:54] <manchicken> Riddell: I sent out your column fixin's last night.
[05:55] <manchicken> I still don't know where that little icon ran off to though.
[05:55] <Riddell> groovy
[05:57] <manchicken> I'm hoping to get some help with the adept_updater changelog crash
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Does he have a IRC nick?
[06:00] <Riddell> josef I think, but not very much
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Riddell: That's Josef Whiter.
[06:04] <Riddell> not sure then
[06:04] <DaSkreech> he doesn't seem to be very IRC active anyway
[06:08] <nixternal> Riddell: I will attack those images on the Herd 5 page within the next couple of hours
[06:08] <nixternal> I am in class right now and just noticed you put some new pics up there
[06:08] <nixternal> what time are we looking at the Herd 5 release?
[06:09] <nixternal> s/at the/at for the/
[06:09] <Riddell> nixternal: I expect tomorrow
[06:10] <DaSkreech> will adept be fixed for the herd?
[06:10] <Riddell> already is
[06:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> alot happens in 8 hours I guess
[06:10] <nixternal> whew, rock on. I will finish up that page this afternoon then. So if there is more to add, just throw it up there and I will put everything in order
[06:11] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[06:11] <nixternal> no problem
[06:22] <neutraloss> I missed adept
[06:22] <neutraloss> adept is fixed as of today
[06:22] <neutraloss> for me
[06:23] <Riddell> rocking
[06:23] <mhb> where was the "new characters instead of *s for password line edits" patch applied to?
[06:23] <Riddell> if nothing else that bug has shown what a large number of users adept has :)
[06:23] <neutraloss> still no xgl support for xorg 7.2 ;(
[06:23] <Riddell> mhb: it's in upstream KDE now
[06:23] <mhb> hmm
[06:24] <mhb> I'm trying to figure out what causes the "tiny squares instead of regular larger circles for password line edits" bug
[06:25] <mhb> I doubt it is a graphic card driver issue, as I can confirm it with 3 machines using the daily live
[06:25] <Riddell> it'll be the polyester theme
[06:26] <mhb> Riddell: I thought that
[06:26] <mhb> Riddell: changing the theme doesn't help
[06:26] <mhb> hi toma
[06:28] <Riddell> hmm, so it doesn't
[06:28] <mhb> Riddell: I use plastik now and I still see the small squares with kdesu (and kdesu seems to be affected by the style change, the buttons are plastik)
[06:28] <toma> hi all, mhb
[06:29] <mhb> Riddell: could it be that the KDE upstream decided to use smaller circles for the dialog?
[06:29] <mhb> Riddell: that functionality is in kdebase?
[06:32] <Riddell> mhb: it's a qt issue, not kde
[06:32] <Riddell> mhb: and neither qt nor kde have changed since this started
[06:35] <mhb> sorry for a maybe stupid question, but how can one check what packages have changed between two dates?
[06:36] <Riddell> feisty-changes mailing list
[06:36] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[06:43] <mhb> Riddell: I beg to differ
[06:44] <mhb> Riddell: this bug was first reported on February 20th
[06:44] <mhb> Riddell: by jjesse, which said he detected it after his update that day
[06:44] <mhb> Riddell: and both qt and kdebase/libs were changed relatively shortly before
[06:45] <mhb> Qt on 18th
[06:46] <mhb> so I don't think we can rule it out completely
[06:57] <Riddell> mm, tonio merged with debian
[06:57] <Riddell> mhb: you could wget the old libqt3-mt .deb from launchpad and dpkg --install it
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: hmm
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: got something
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: maybe
[06:59] <mhb> looking at the old danimo's patch
[06:59] <mhb> one moment
[07:00] <mhb> Riddell: yup, got it
[07:00] <mhb> Riddell: it's a different character
[07:00] <mhb> 0x2022 instead of 0x25CF
[07:00] <Riddell> well done
[07:01] <Riddell> so we can pick any character?  there must be some fun ones to choose from :)
[07:01] <mhb> Riddell: I believe so
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: the original danimo's patch used the big one, if that was not available then it used the small one
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: now the goal is to find out why are we using the second one
[07:02] <ScottK> If you're picking a new one, I like the small one better.
[07:05] <danimo> heya folks
[07:05] <danimo> what's up?
[07:05] <Riddell> danimo: about the password field in qt
[07:05] <danimo> yeah?
[07:05] <Riddell> danimo: your patch had a different character to the current one
[07:05] <Riddell> 18:00 < mhb> 0x2022 instead of 0x25CF
[07:06] <Riddell> is that deliberate?
[07:06] <danimo> actually it uses both: one is the fallback (afaik 0x2022) in case the other is not provided by the fon
[07:06] <mhb> danimo: yes
[07:06] <danimo> it's a tradeoff: 0x2022 is a smaller dot
[07:07] <danimo> that's still better than *
[07:07] <mhb> danimo: for some reason, we all see the smaller one
[07:07] <danimo> odd...
[07:07] <mhb> danimo: even though our font supported the big one
[07:07] <danimo> mhb: which patch is that?
[07:08] <mhb> and still supports, I believe (I can see the old one in charmap)
[07:09] <danimo> ?
[07:10] <mhb> danimo: I have to check if we use the exact same code you provided with your patch
[07:11] <danimo> please do so
[07:11] <mhb> danimo: (the download is slow, sorry to keep you waiting)
[07:11] <danimo> mhb: and please check wether the style you use has its own implementation
[07:12] <danimo> mhb: feisty has a new style I heard
[07:12] <mhb> danimo: polyester does, but when I switched to plastik the issue remained
[07:12] <danimo> and a lot of style authors have a lot of fun playing with the patch
[07:12] <danimo> odd
[07:14] <mhb> danimo: hmm
[07:14] <mhb> danimo: kstyle has the exact same patch you made
[07:14] <mhb> danimo: I guess for some reason it fails to detect that the character 0x25CF is supported
[07:15] <mhb> oh damn
[07:16] <mhb> the character doesn't seem to be supported
[07:16] <mhb> which I fail to understand
[07:17] <danimo> mhb: which font?
[07:17] <mhb> Riddell: I open the Ubuntu charmap, select the character (it's supported, font description: Sans Serif), copy it into any KDE dialog, and it won't display
[07:18] <danimo> kcharselect shows it for sans serif
[07:18] <danimo> mhb: which font is kubuntu using?
[07:18] <mhb> danimo: sans serif
[07:19] <mhb> danimo: at least that's what it says
[07:19] <danimo> mhb: sans serif is an alias definition
[07:19] <mhb> danimo: I thought so
[07:19] <danimo> for A font that is sans serif
[07:19] <mhb> danimo: not sure what's the real one
[07:19] <mhb> Riddell: ^^
[07:20] <mhb> danimo: I thought it uses dejavu fonts, but ubuntu should too... and ubuntu supports that character here
[07:20] <danimo> mhb: how about selecting dejavu directly?
[07:21] <mhb> trying that
[07:22] <mhb> danimo: that's odd
[07:22] <mhb> danimo: I have both kcharselect and GNOME's charmap
[07:22] <mhb> danimo: both selected Dejavu Sans
[07:22] <mhb> danimo: and the same character 25CF, of course
[07:23] <mhb> danimo: GNOME's charmap shows it fine, kcharselect doesn't
[07:25] <danimo> mhb: works just fine here (edgy, DejaVu sans)
[07:30] <mhb> danimo: yeah
[07:30] <mhb> danimo: your patch worked fine at first
[07:30] <mhb> danimo: it has broken only recently
[07:30] <danimo> mhb: is there a more recent version of Qt 3.3 in feisty?
[07:31] <mhb> danimo: 3.3.7
[07:31] <danimo> ahaa :)
[07:31] <danimo> now let's look at the changelog
[07:32] <Riddell> we have been playing with fonts too
[07:33] <danimo> 3.3.8 has been released btw
[07:33] <danimo> Riddell: who's we?
[07:33] <Riddell> tonio
[07:33] <danimo> ah
[07:34] <tiCo89> hmmm hello
[07:34] <tiCo89> I have some packages in debian and take care for them
[07:35] <tiCo89> this is the reason why i write my name in the maintainer field
[07:35] <tiCo89> why do you upload it to kubuntu with my name inside it?
[07:35] <tiCo89> i never agreed to that
[07:35] <danimo> wtf is wrong with the trolltech servers?
[07:35] <tiCo89> i mean, you can copy all the stuff you want but you can't copy responsibility :(
[07:35] <Riddell> tiCo89: are you complaining that we keep the maintainer field or that we don't?
[07:36] <tiCo89> keep the maintainer field and not making new changelog entries :(
[07:36] <Riddell> tiCo89: we recently changed it so that we don't keep the maintainer field, at Debian's request
[07:36] <Riddell> tiCo89: so it'll be changed on the next upload
[07:36] <tiCo89> ah nice
[07:36] <tiCo89> it's just because hmmm
[07:37] <tiCo89> i got a "bad mail" today from a kubuntu user which directly blamed me because of a bug
[07:37] <Riddell> tiCo89: I believe it's expected to have the whole archive done by feisty release, but if you want me to do it sooner let me know what packages they are and I can change
[07:37] <tiCo89> and without this person i wouldn't even now that ngircd is in kubuntu
[07:38] <Riddell> tiCo89: worth pointing out that every other debian derived distro keeps the maintainer fields too
[07:38] <tiCo89> Riddell: problem is just ehm... It wouldn't be a problem to maintain a package for (k/x)ubuntu as well when I already do it in debian
[07:38] <danimo> mhb: funny, there are not 3.3.7 changes online
[07:38] <tiCo89> but i would like to get notified
[07:38] <mhb> danimo: I've seen that
[07:39] <mhb> danimo: only .3.6 and .3.8
[07:39] <tiCo89> i mean, if someone uploads a package to ftp-master.debian.org with my name in the last changelog entry I get 2 mails about it
[07:39] <tiCo89> from ubuntu not :(
[07:39] <Riddell> tiCo89: it looks like ngircd has been transitioned already
[07:39] <Riddell> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[07:39] <tiCo89> ah nice
[07:40] <tiCo89> and what does MOTU exactly mean?
[07:40] <mhb> masters of the universe (repository)
[07:40] <Riddell> Universe is all the packages that are not commercially supported
[07:41] <mhb> (or maintainers, of course)
[07:41] <Riddell> naw, definately masters :)
[07:43] <tiCo89> ah okey..
[07:43] <Riddell> tiCo89: nobody will make changes upload the package to ubuntu with your name in the changelog entry, but it will come in by a sync from debian
[07:43] <tiCo89> so you do it more in the gentoo way where a developer may more or less do everything?
[07:43] <Riddell> tiCo89: yes, packages don't have specific maintainer on the whole
[07:43] <tiCo89> okey...
[07:45] <danimo> mhb: ok, 3.3.7 is only a security update to 3.3.6
[07:46] <mhb> danimo: I guess we can suspect the fonts then
[07:47] <Riddell> I confirm it doesn't work in Sans Serif or Bitstream Vera Sans in kcharselect
[07:47] <Riddell> or DejaVu Sans
[07:48] <mhb> Riddell: but still, Ubuntu and Kubuntu share fonts, right?
[07:48] <Riddell> mhb: certainly should do
[07:48] <mhb> Riddell: it works for me in GNOME charmap
[07:48] <Riddell> but qt seems to have some differences compared to gtk, as tonio recently found
[07:48] <mhb> Riddell: with both Sans Serif and DejaVu sans
[07:48] <mhb> Riddell: did tonio patch qt?
[07:49] <Riddell> he did yes
[07:51] <mhb> hmm
[07:51] <DaSkreech> nope
[07:51] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ?
[07:52] <mhb> then maybe somehow the fix for bug 78209 on 18th February might have caused wrong rendering for other fonts (my humble guess)
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[07:52] <Riddell> mhb: what is gnome's charmap called?
[07:52] <mhb> charmap ?
[07:53] <mhb> at least here
[07:54] <Riddell> gucharmap?
[07:54] <mhb> yeah
[07:55] <mhb> charmap was only a link, sorry :o)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Guess someone typed that. I just came back to the desk.
[07:56] <Riddell> yes, no problems in gucharmap
[07:56] <Riddell> that has a font called "Sans" not "Sans Serif"
[07:57] <mhb> Riddell: that is still only an alias for dejavu, I presume
[07:57] <Lure> fabo: thanks for support with strigi UVFe
[07:57] <Riddell> mhb: maybe, but it shows that the installed fonts are being interpreted differently
[07:57] <Riddell> Lure: did you have something that needed uploaded?
[07:59] <mhb> Riddell: I'll try and compile qt with some font-related debian fixes
[07:59] <mhb> that got in with the tonio's merge
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: [14:39]  <Lure> any MOTU around? Can you sponsor upload for bug 88793 ?
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88793 in kpowersave "UVF exception 0.6.2 -> 0.7.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88793
[07:59] <mhb> without :o)
[07:59] <Riddell> mhb: if they're already in...
[07:59] <Riddell> ok
[08:00] <Lure> yep, we finally succeeded ;-):  [19:12]  <Riddell> cjwatson: kubuntu i386 desktop CD doesn't seem to have any winfoss on it
[08:00] <Lure> ;-)
[08:01] <Riddell> Lure: humbug!
[08:01] <mhb> it's true
[08:01] <mhb> I have today's daily at home
[08:01] <mhb> and it's winfoss free
[08:01] <Riddell> mhb: do you have ubuntu as well?
[08:01] <mhb> no, sorry
[08:02] <Lure> mhb: no need to be sorry ;-)
[08:02] <mhb> Riddell: I can fetch it if you want
[08:02] <Riddell> mhb: just curious to know if there's winfoss on that too
[08:02] <mhb> I'll fetch it then, no problem for me
[08:14] <Riddell> Lure: uploaded
[08:14] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[08:15] <Riddell> thank you
[08:15] <Riddell> I notice the config UI hasn't improved though :)
[08:17] <Lure> Riddell: it is even worse, imho :-(
[08:19] <Lure> Riddell: got plenty of new "general settings" and is very confusing as naming of schemes overlap with naming of cpu freq policies (powersave, performance)
[08:19] <Lure> Riddell: I know something about pm, but I got confused at first ;-)
[08:20] <Lure> Riddell: but some people like it and now it does not conflict with our infrastructure
[08:20] <DaSkreech> is it ever the intention to have the System Settings be usable with the keyboard?
[08:20] <Lure> DaSkreech: oh, I would love it!
[08:21] <DaSkreech> nasty diseased things
[08:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes, that's an important bug
[08:22] <Riddell> kwwii: what's your preferred polyester button type?
[08:23] <kwwii> Riddell: I prefer the glass buttons
[08:23] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, how about shadows on the text?
[08:24] <kwwii> Riddell: although I like it I have heard stuff about that from several people so I think we should not use shadows on the text
[08:25] <Riddell> groovy, I agree :)
[08:26] <kwwii> are you sure you want to say out loud that you agree with an american? :p
[08:27] <Riddell> you're german
[08:27] <kwwii> lol, yeah
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[09:01] <hunger> DaSkreech: hi there!
[09:01] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[09:02] <hunger> DaSkreech: Fine as always:-)
[09:02] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[09:03] <hunger> DaSkreech: Currently I am doing too much organizing and too little hacking for my taste, but I am fine otherwise.
[09:22] <yuriy> the network status thing is supposed to make kmail not give errors when you're not connected?
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: I sent application to motu-council, so you can expect questions... ;-)
[10:04] <Lure> Riddell: testing edgy -> feisty upgrade now...
[10:05] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:05] <Riddell> Lure: with the packages on kubuntu.org?
[10:05] <Lure> Riddell: yes, following KubuntuDistUpgrade instrictions
[10:06] <Riddell> Lure: great
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell: are you sure adept *manager* is to be restarted?
[10:07] <Riddell> Lure: either
[10:09] <Lure> Riddell: adept_manager did not notify me, probably I would need to fetch updates...
[10:10] <Riddell> Lure: you need all the packages from that kubuntu.org archive
[10:10] <Riddell> Lure: what version of adept do you have?
[10:11] <Lure> Riddell: upgrader running... so far so good....
[10:11] <Lure> Riddell: 2.1.1ubuntu3.1
[10:12] <Lure> Riddell: it crashed... :-(
[10:12] <Lure> Riddell: should I file a bug or just paste traceback?
[10:12] <Riddell> paste a traceback for now
[10:17] <Lure> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/68
[10:17] <Riddell> oh, wasn't adept which crashesd
[10:17] <Riddell> that's good at least
[10:18] <Riddell> looks like mvo's problem
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: yep, fixing python is easy ;-)
[10:18] <Riddell> Lure: please report a bug on update-manager
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: will do...
[10:21] <mhb> is there any way to resume dpkg-buildpackage operation ?
[10:21] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:21] <mhb> without having to compile it all over again
[10:22] <mhb> I found out my computer is having an overheating issue
[10:22] <mhb> I'd compile Qt but the computer shuts itself down because of the heat
[10:23] <Lure> Riddell: bug 89049
[10:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89049 in update-manager "Kubuntu upgrade edgy -> feisty crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89049
[10:23] <sebas> mhb: Do you have? /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling
[10:24] <sebas> You can make your cpu slower, so it'll consume less energy and turn less energy into heat
[10:24] <mhb> not supported
[10:24] <sebas> Hm, bummer
[10:25] <mhb> the computer's 2+ years old (no more warranty) and it's a laptop - no chance of replacing the parts cheaply
[10:25] <mhb> aaanyway, is there a way to resume the dpkg-buildpackage operation?
[10:26] <sebas> I only know what's in /proc/acpi ;-)
[10:26] <toma> Riddell: should i remind k-c-d about the invitation in may or has there been activity off-list?
[10:27] <Riddell> toma: there has been activity
[10:27] <toma> k
[10:27] <Riddell> toma: wanting to come?
[10:28] <toma> Riddell: hot && flying are not very tempting to me
[10:29] <sebas> It's in May, and you can go by bike :-)
[10:29] <Riddell> actually I'm going by train
[10:30] <sebas> Is that easy to do?
[10:30] <sebas> It's not the obvious way of travelling from Scotland to Spain
[10:30] <mhb> hmm, to the Developer summit?
[10:31] <Riddell> it's not easy no, but it saves the planet
[10:31] <Riddell> and it's not hard either
[10:31] <Riddell> eurostar, trainhotel, local train
[10:32] <sebas> Good
[10:32] <sebas> I usually prefer trains, but not for distances > 1000km
[10:32] <sebas> Nighttrains are usually quite relaxing though
[10:33] <mhb> hmm ... does no activity concerning me mean that people like me can't come?
[10:33] <sebas> manchicken: I can send you a copy of mine
[10:33] <manchicken> heh
[10:34] <manchicken> How long is your beard?
[10:34] <sebas> Scanning at 600dpi shoud be enough.
[10:34] <sebas> To be honest, you'll need to shave parts of yours
[10:34] <manchicken> I'm sorry, I can't do that ^_^
[10:34] <manchicken> Sharp blades and my skin just don't work well together.
[10:34] <sebas> I can do it for you.
[10:35] <sebas> I'll tear them out then.
[10:35] <manchicken> That's when sharp blades work meet your skin ^_^
[10:35] <manchicken> heh
[10:35] <mhb> Riddell: about?
[10:36] <Riddell> mhb: yes, but in meeting so laggy
[10:36] <mhb> oh
[10:37] <mhb> Riddell: does "acitivity off-list" mean people like me can't join you at the UDS ? :o) (that's kinda offtopic, but I'd still like to know)
[10:37] <mhb> Riddell: but the real reason I poked you:
[10:37] <mhb> Riddell: I've recompiled Qt with 2 font-related patches out
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: and all of the sudden the needed char works
[10:38] <Riddell> mmm
[10:38] <toma> mhb: with activity off list i meant if there was a kde reaction to the inventation riddell sent to kde-core-devel where i have not seen a reply
[10:39] <mhb> oh
[10:39] <Riddell> but do you get tonio's fuzzy fonts again?
[10:39] <Riddell> mhb: you're welcome to come to UDS but the sponsored places are gone (canonical doesn't have an open sponsorship page this time, not sure why)
[10:39] <Riddell> I'll certainly keep you in mind for the next one
[10:40] <mhb> hmm
[10:40] <mhb> bummer
[10:41] <mhb> ... and that feeling's over
[10:41] <mhb> Riddell: not yet I don't
[10:41] <mhb> Riddell: I restart to make sure
[10:41] <Lure> Riddell: OT, how did you fly to Pula
[10:42] <Riddell> Lure: ryanair from london for 99p
[10:42] <Riddell> yay! come
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: and glasgow to london train?
[10:43] <Riddell> significantly more than 99p :(
[10:43] <Riddell> about 100UKP return
[10:43] <Riddell> there's also london to "glasgow" prestwick with ryanair
[10:43] <Riddell> and train for about a tenner
[10:43] <mhb> Riddell: who decided who will come to UDS then? You did?
[10:45] <Riddell> mostly me yes
[10:45] <Riddell> based on the people who didn't come last time
[10:45] <neutraloss> anyone here using a new ati card, fglrx, xserver xgl, and compiz?
[10:45] <mhb> hmm okay then
[10:46] <mhb> good night folks
[10:46] <neutraloss> night
[10:47] <Lure> Riddell: ok, time for travel might be a bit of problem for me, but need to investigate options
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: sorry about misleading you, the sans serif problem appeared again
[11:01] <toma> you feed your cpu to cool it?
[11:05] <_StefanS_> toma: maybe I should :)
[11:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: did you get that bluish logo done ? :)
[11:06] <kwwii> _StefanS_: coming pretty close - I got it looking really nice but then I couldn't do it with 256 colors
[11:06] <_StefanS_> kwwii: all those restrictions... it aint easy to do graphics :)
[11:06] <kwwii> no doubt :-)
[11:07] <_StefanS_> kwwii: do you got a preview ?
[11:08] <kwwii> _StefanS_: the next one will be done in a few minutes
[11:08] <_StefanS_> kwwii: sweet.. cant wait
[11:08] <oslo> hi i'm on kubuntu feisty & i have some probleme with apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.com/891782
[11:08] <mhb> kwwii: well then I'm not heading to sleep just yet :o)
[11:08] <oslo> here is a log wich explain my problem better than me
[11:11] <Riddell> night
[11:11] <mhb> goodnight
[11:26] <kwwii> ok, here goes...this version works pretty well with 256 colors:
[11:26] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/usplash_1024_768.png
[11:27] <_StefanS_> kwwii: very good !
[11:27] <yuriy> is that new one going to be in kdm/ksplash as well?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> kwwii: easy to read, more quality to it
[11:27] <kwwii> yuriy: good question
[11:27] <DaSkreech> Ha ha It would be fun to have the Kubuntu fill up as well :)
[11:28] <yuriy> in addition to looking nice, i like how the current logo is already everywhere. it was different in every place you looked this summer
[11:28] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: I dont think so, as it will disguise the sharp edges
[11:28] <yuriy> i mean usplash/kdm/ksplash/website/wiki
[11:29] <yuriy> i think only place it doesn't match now is kfn
[11:30] <kwwii> it would look much better on the website, I think
[11:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii: the text is always black no matter the background, right ?
[11:30] <Riddell> oslo: that'll be my fault, I'll try and fix it tomorrow
[11:31] <yuriy> kwwii: the black one would??
[11:32] <_StefanS_> I'm off.. good night
[11:32] <mhb> goodnight _StefanS_
[11:32] <oslo> Riddell> k no problem take your time no rush
[11:32] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yes
[11:32] <kwwii> and good night
[11:32] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Could you email me info on that DVB?
[11:32] <manchicken> When you wake
[11:32] <manchicken> ^_^
[11:32] <_StefanS_> manchicken: sure thing, will do it tomorrow :)
[11:32] <_StefanS_> cu guys
[11:34] <mhb> still
[11:34] <mhb> perhaps it is time to put another picture there
[11:34] <mhb> perhaps a more serious one .o)
[11:35] <manchicken> Yeah, one with konqi in a suit.
[11:35] <yuriy> i've been playing around with the konqi blender model. so if anybody wants to put up a _less_ serious one i might help with that
[11:35] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, konqi in a suit, sealing a huge deal
[11:36] <manchicken> mhb: Hell yeah.  Konqi the balla.
[11:37] <mhb> good night, folks ... this time for real :o)
[11:37] <yuriy> gnight mhb
[11:37] <manchicken> Nighty night.
[12:14] <Dragonhorse>  Why GTK-based programs sitting in the tray get gray background for icon in tray even if they have transparent background?