=== claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neutraloss [n=neutralo@cpe-72-225-29-97.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] mhb: depends if mithrandir will let it through or not === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:42] Riddell: hope he will let the patch trough. [12:42] good night, folks [12:51] allee: showfoto does not install here - does it work for you on edgy? [12:51] allee: showfoto depends on digikam (>= 2:0.9.1~rc2); however: ersion of digikam on system is 2:0.9.1~rc2-0~lure0feisty1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong is now known as MichaelScott === mbiebl [n=michael@e180088015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.64.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MichaelScott is now known as jdong [01:42] Hobbsee: could you take a look at this "bug"? I don't have feisty... http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080316 === Hobbsee looks === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:43] wb Hobbsee [01:44] ty [01:44] eek, so it does [01:45] Jucato: tell _stefans_ about that when he comes back [01:45] sure thing. thanks for testing :) [01:45] or whoever's doing that dialogue === Jucato is waiting for the final call to test upgrading [01:45] or actually I'm waiting for the upgrade tool... [01:46] Anybody else seeing adept just DIE when it starts up? [01:46] manchicken: it's pretty common [01:47] xerosis: It wasn't before. [01:47] manchicken: that due to the kdesu thing, or something else? [01:47] Adept is quite adept at doing weird stuff once in a while :) [01:47] Hobbsee: Oh, is it kdesu related? Is there a bug posted? [01:47] Jucato: Don't hate the player, hate the game ;) [01:47] manchicken: I don't hate you at all :) [01:47] I was thinking one of my patches screwed something up weird. [01:48] see? I blame the patch. not the author :) [01:48] I can't seem to reproduce this issue with my own development version of adept, but I'm only using sudo in my chroot for that. [01:48] Nice. [01:48] I totally forgot what the timeline was for feisty, so I'm now behind. [01:48] Gotta play catch-up. [01:48] I get crashes about 50% of the time when opening adept... [01:49] xerosis: On feisty? [01:49] manchicken: yep [01:49] xerosis: Did it just start happening recently? [01:49] I'm getting segv every time I try to start it. [01:49] Without fail. [01:49] for the last week or so? [01:49] Yeah. [01:49] manchicken: search in kdebase - there's a big long kdesu/sudo bug [01:49] Okay. [01:49] I'm not gonna fight that one. [01:50] oh, a segv? [01:50] I've got plenty of adept issues to fight ^_^ === Hobbsee just gets that it doesnt start [01:50] Yeah, it's giving a fat segv. [01:50] manchicken: you know that string freeze appears to be soon? [01:50] Sometimes it'll start first. [01:50] I'm not doing any new strings. [01:50] Just bug squishin' [01:51] I'm hoping someone reviewed the strings for the new adept features. I'm nowhere near a usability expert. [01:51] I also need a hand debugging a couple things with adept. [01:51] That changelog issue in adept_updater (crashing on ItemChangelog.changelogUrl() calls) is getting pretty old. [01:51] neat [01:51] Hobbsee: Yeah, this is weird. Sometimes I get segv, sometimes I get nothing, sometimes kdesu never even shows up. [01:51] heh [01:52] We've got beta freeze coming here soon. [01:52] What does beta freeze mean? Just a code-freeze until the beta version is out? [01:52] Ah, I'm getting SIGABRT on adept. [01:52] !schedule [01:52] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [01:52] !feisty [01:52] The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee checks [01:53] I assumed that since I was seeing the crash dialog that it was segv. [01:53] It's a SIGABRT. [01:53] manchicken: everything's supposed to work, and be thoroughly tested [01:53] Hobbsee: Wanna help me find this changelog issue? [01:53] ^_^ === manchicken gives the puppy eyes and dodges the doomie-stick. === Hobbsee has class :( [01:54] if i'm around in ~1.5 hours, then maybe [01:54] Righto. [01:56] just interested, what happens if a bug like this can't be fixed in time for release? [01:56] xerosis: which bug in particular? [01:56] That's a good question ^_^ [01:56] any adept crasher ;) [01:56] I think it means we throw more people at it if it looks like it may be risking missing the release. [01:56] if there's a release critical bug, then someone really really has to fix it [01:57] and you're not going to get rid of all crashers [01:57] It would be easy to get the changelog thing out of the UI until it could be fixed to make it hit the release. Dunno. [01:58] was just interested, i'm trying to get into more devel stuff but my distro release knowledge is naive :) [01:59] xerosis: you'll learn it :) [01:59] do i want to though? ;) === Hobbsee wishes people wouldnt answer their phones in hte library [01:59] It's pretty easy to pick it up. [01:59] xerosis: yes. :P [01:59] i'm only doing it for the fame and headlines :p [02:01] so worst case, if adept was still crashing on start and no-one could fix before release, what would likely happen? [02:02] more people would look into ti [02:02] or they'd revert whatever made it crash === Hobbsee --> class === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-85-43.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SIX-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] so I have to ask.... [02:38] how do you get the nightly kubuntu snapshot isos to boot after installing them? [02:39] nm [02:39] seems to have been a hickup === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11214rn.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-254-23-214.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] I think I'm going to have these column fixes done... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:24] boo woo [03:26] Don't cry :-) [03:27] bddebian: How're your C++ and gdb skills? ;) [03:27] how are you bddebian? haven't had a chance to see you in awhile [03:28] jjesse: I think it's boo _hoo_? [03:28] hey i can't type tonight [03:28] i'm on a loaner laptop :( [03:28] it's great when you are in training and laptop crashes [03:28] and you have to do a presentation to pass the class [03:28] manchicken: I SUCK at C++ unfortunately :-( [03:29] Boo hoo. [03:29] jjesse: OK, thx. Yourself? [03:29] see previous comments i would be better [03:29] I'm trying to corner someone into helping me debug this thing. [03:29] can't finish the chpt updates i need to do as loaner is a windows machine :( [03:29] w00t :) [03:36] First patch I've submitted in a while. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:44] manchicken: did you figure it out? [03:44] Not the changelog thing. === Hobbsee got her passport :) [03:45] Hobbsee: lucky you [03:45] ajmitch: heh [03:45] hello sarah [03:45] where you traveling you need your passport? [03:45] I got the column thing fixed. [03:46] hiya jjesse. spain [03:46] ah for UDS [03:46] ? [03:46] yep [04:04] Riddell is gonna be happy. [04:04] He mentioned those columns earlier. [04:04] yay :) [04:04] Bug was pwned. [04:05] Though I still don't know where that little icon ran off to. [04:05] I'm gonna run to bed now. Check y'all later. === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.64.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] Heya Hobbsee [04:35] jjesse: ping [04:35] hey DaSkreech === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-94.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neutraloss [n=neutralo@cpe-72-225-29-97.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neutraloss [n=neutralo@cpe-72-225-29-97.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:25] Hobbsee: remember my non kernel panic? [05:25] DaSkreech: the non-booting one? [05:26] Yeah [05:26] Apparently some update blew away my inittab [05:28] nice [05:32] yup :) [05:32] reinstalled [06:13] DaSkreech: bah, inittab is overrated, I just start my machine with init=/bin/sh and start everything by hand :p [06:13] LeeJunFan: Well the fun thing is the machine was trying to start itself with apparently no clue as to where it was going === Jucato thought inittab went out because of upstart [06:14] It still uses it it seems [06:15] I really really need a tut on upstart [06:16] it may still use it, but it's not created by default [06:18] which means that a missing inittab file is normal starting edgy? [06:20] This was feisty [06:20] I have one on edgy, just not feisty [06:20] "starting edgy" = edgy and onwards :) === Jucato doesn't have one on edgy [06:21] maybe because I upgraded dapper -> edgy, not fresh install, and sysvinit just left the inittab there [06:21] I have one on edgy [06:21] Right so does upstart know about runlevels? [06:22] sure it does [06:22] !upstart [06:22] Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [06:23] so if I have a pure upstart system would I still have a init command? [06:24] yeh for compatability [06:24] yeah, but the command to change runlevel is: telinit [06:26] Lathiat: Far as I know there is a upstart-compat-sysv package for that. I meant pure upstart [06:29] /sbin/init is provided purely by upstart, telinit etc are by compat-sysv [06:31] Ah === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] Riddell: that is cool idea - maybe we should consider this after Herd5/Beta: http://www.advogato.org/person/seb128/diary.html?start=36 [07:12] Lure: indeed. i've been thinking about it a bit, w.r.t the testing team === Hobbsee hasnt been to work to properly contemplate it, though [07:13] Hobbsee: by doing package by package, it helps with focus and knowledge sharing... [07:13] Lure: indeed. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] Lure: we should get people like yuriy, etc, together. [07:14] maybe start with kdebase. [07:15] sounds like a good idea [07:15] probably not so much me though. break's over :( midterms time [07:15] Hobbsee: that's not for the -testers team that mhb made, right? [07:15] yuriy: ahh, darn. [07:16] Jucato: we could grab them too. [07:16] ah but what is this team for? testing packages? [07:16] they need to learn to triage, to test [07:16] i go to one of like 2 colleges in the us that have break in february. so i had plenty of time last week, hence all the bugwork [07:17] Hobbsee: i posted a thread on kfn to try to recruit and educate people [07:17] nice :) === Hobbsee doesnt read that [07:17] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080237.0 [07:18] oh so that was you! === Jucato didn't make the association... === yuriy is GameManK [07:18] now I know [07:19] Is there a nexus for kubuntu blogs? [07:19] DaSkreech: planet.ubuntu.com [07:19] That sounds very gnomish [07:20] it would be like planet.ubuntu.com INTERSECT planet.kde.org [07:21] DaSkreech: exactly, that is why we need more kde blogs there ;-) [07:21] DaSkreech: it's desktop-agnostic === Hobbsee just doesnt post to it much [07:22] DaSkreech: there's also ubuntu-users planet somewhere [07:23] can we get a KXF&E set of RSS feeds? === Jucato wonders when his blogs will be worth of planet ubuntu... [07:23] Jucato: likely. put it up [07:24] Hobbsee: I just have to fill it up with Linux stuff first, I guess... [07:24] Currently it talks about his bodily reactions to new diets *shudders* === Hobbsee DOS' the bot in #ubuntuforums [07:24] Jucato: heh [07:24] lol [07:24] http://jucato.org/blog [07:25] Hobbsee: why oh why? [07:25] yuriy: because i can? [07:25] yuriy: because it's stupid to make a bot respond to another bot. [07:26] oh darn, it got kicked from the channel before it got thrown off the network [07:27] Jucato: What the heck are you talking about nearly the entire blog is about linux === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:28] There is very little bodily functions in tehre at all! [07:28] DaSkreech: it is? O.o [07:28] i don't even see the bodily functions post. linux linux linux [07:29] hehe === Jucato wonders where DaSkreech got the idea that he writes about bolidy functions [07:30] ugh! budily [07:30] bodily damnit! === DaSkreech wonders when he should tell the chan they ave been punk'd [07:37] Jucato: please add it to PLanet : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu [07:37] Lure: a freesoftware feed is needed right? [07:37] heh I'm more worried about contents being good enough :P [07:37] No. You can .. [07:37] Jucato: nice to have, but there are others with personal views on other topics, so I think nobody cares [07:38] DaSkreech: I can what? [07:38] Hmm how do you say spew bodily functions all over the planet without being offensive? [07:38] :P [07:38] Jucato: looks good to me ;-) [07:39] heh ok thanks. I'll add it later... after I get through my sister's accident first.. === Hobbsee is seriously scared... === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-146-54.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] Hobbsee: why? [07:47] there are a couple of guys outside my house, looking really suss [07:47] just staring at it === Hobbsee is home alone [07:47] ouch... [07:52] Hobbsee: Who lives closest to you that you have a number for? [07:52] call them and tell them to come over [07:53] Hobbsee: How far are they from the house? === DaSkreech tries to remember the number for the police in Australia. [07:54] it's 0 isn't it? [07:58] DaSkreech: just tried, they didnt answer the door === Hobbsee really needs to go to work === Hobbsee doesnt have numbers for any of the neighbours, for some reason [07:58] They are still there? === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] they look like two teenagers talking and kissing in their car....but i dunno... [07:58] they have been pointing at my house a fair bit [07:58] The two guys? [07:59] one's a girl, sorry === alleeEdgy32 [n=edgy32@hydra.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:59] Oh === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:59] how long have they been there? [07:59] ages. didnt see when they got here [08:00] and it's not the sky over your house. It's the house they are interested in? [08:01] Hobbsee: Who's the nearest person you have a number for? [08:01] across the road - just calling them now === Hobbsee likes whitepages :) [08:01] 000 [08:01] That's It :) === Jucato wished he could smile at a time like this... === DaSkreech considers putting the Aussie police on speed dial [08:04] hehe, yup [08:04] there's a local number too [08:04] Hi! Yes this lovely young person has been kidnapped. No I don't know where she is... no I don't know where she used to live.. Well I can tell you she uses Kubuntu. No I'm calling from Jamaica.. NO I am NOT just making this up we need the princess' POINTY STICK OF DOOOOOOM!! Don't You dare hang up o*clik* [08:04] darn, htey're not there [08:05] okay, i think i'm just going to go to work [08:05] have left a message [08:05] Don't have any mates with cars and cell phones? [08:05] have got the car numberplate [08:05] not around here [08:05] ok === Hobbsee --> work [08:06] everything's bolted down, so they'd have tboule getting in === Jucato ---> hospital (or wants to) === elcuco [n=elcuco@62.90.10.53] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech sticks the Bodily functions tag on Jucato === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeEdgy32 [n=edgy32@hydra.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@62.90.10.53] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeEdgy32 [n=edgy32@hydra.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:08] <_StefanS_> mornings [10:09] _StefanS_!!! just the guy I was waiting for :) [10:09] <_StefanS_> Jucato: bash_profile ? :D [10:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what's the deadline for adding that kdesu fade stuff ? [10:09] _StefanS_: no. this is for you :P http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080316 [10:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I mean, how long time do I have to get my acts together :) [10:10] _StefanS_: Hobbsee confirmed that "bug" [10:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oka, Enter should work the same way as space does it [10:11] yep [10:11] sorry can't test it myself... === Jucato is still waiting for the call to test the upgrade tool [10:11] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah.. I know why [10:12] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Cancel is the default button for the Enter key [10:12] oh... O.o [10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so this one should be easy stuff indeed. I will have to do some work first, but will have the fix uploaded later tonight if all goes well. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: can you write that on the forum, because i'm not registered there [10:13] sure no problem. [10:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: thanks. [10:13] I was actually waiting for your input to do just that :) [10:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: goody :D [10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you can always send me an email if you encounter stuff like that, I check the mail every minute.. -> sfs@enhance-it.dk [10:15] every minute?!? O.o [10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yea, I have two laptops.. working on the one on the left, while having OSS stuff running on the one on the right :D [10:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so I can always see stuff happening [10:16] haha [10:16] nice.. 2 machines :( [10:17] <_StefanS_> yes.. actually I have one more laptop, and a dedicated server aswell. So there's good chances to test different stuff [10:17] <_StefanS_> helping me a number of times when stuff doesn't work [10:17] O.O === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] <_StefanS_> Jucato: let me know if you need a shell account/webspace or something, I have plenty to spare [10:19] sure. right now I have a webspace :) [10:19] thanks for the offer :) === Jucato needs another computer more than webspace... [10:20] <_StefanS_> Jucato: If you can settle for a ssh / shell account I can help.. [10:20] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but its probably more a physical machine I figure.. [10:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: that you need :) [10:21] yeah. definitely the latter one :) [10:21] <_StefanS_> hehe [10:21] although a metaphysicsal machine wouldn't be half as bad :D [10:22] er.. "metaphysical"... damn I can't spell :) [10:22] <_StefanS_> I get you.. [10:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what kind of machine are you afteR? [10:23] heh actually anything... a laptop would be kool, but not necessary, as I don't get to go out most of the time [10:24] I'm just thinking that I would probably need another machine once I get down and dirty into development... (Kubuntu and KDE...) [10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: latops are the best, I just hate those big clunky desktops.. [10:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you can do that in vmware === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [10:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I use it very much [10:25] _StefanS_: or chroot stuff... but I'm not familiar with that yet === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well yes, but chrooting doesn't always give you a full machine [10:26] yeah, that's why I'm not yet really planning on buying another computer or laptop... but if one comes my way along the way, I wouldn't let it pass :) [10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I mean you're still dependent on the kernel and stuff [10:26] uhuh [10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well too bad I dont have a laptop to spare ;) [10:26] haha [10:26] I'm waiting for April to come.... that's when my sister will get an office laptop and leave hers home :D [10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you should have a applied for that cpu I gave away [10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: then you could have built your own lappie [10:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well april's not that far away hehe === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [10:27] yeah... hopefully my sister's accident today won't delay that, though... [10:27] :( [10:28] <_StefanS_> ouch I hope its not serious [10:28] the ct scan showed nothing and she's on her way home [10:28] <_StefanS_> I had a colleague that was hit by a cab a few weeks ago.. [10:29] steel bar from a door fell on her head [10:29] <_StefanS_> oh sh*t [10:29] ouch... now that's serious... === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] <_StefanS_> well he only broke a leg and had a concusion (head injury) [10:29] <_StefanS_> the cab was going 60km/hr, and he smashed the windshield of it [10:30] <_StefanS_> he got of rather easy... could have been much worse [10:30] ouch... === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.5.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato can't even begin to imagine how that feels... [10:31] <_StefanS_> well we were quite a bit worried since the first messages didn't really indicate how bad it was === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Erunno [n=matthes@stgt-590e23e9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] _StefanS_: no set deadline, just as soon as possible [11:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay, I will try and get it done [11:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: asap === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Erunno [n=matthes@stgt-590e23e9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:09] so how about this one..... [12:10] http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2.png [12:19] The progress bar and the text/icon doesn't *seem* to centered (the bar seems to be a little too far left). === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] I'm not sure about the hollow effect === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-18-168.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] Erunno: the bars get cut out of the pic, that is just to show you how it would look [12:30] Riddell: the best thing about that pic for usplash is that the ubuntu usplash is similar === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] Jucato: seems we didnt get burgled. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Zyrkon [n=Zyrkon@V33d9.v.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-18-168.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] hiall [01:07] heya mhb [01:07] kwwii: oh, that one looks really nice for me [01:08] kwwii: I like it [01:08] kwwii: a lot [01:08] ;-) [01:08] I thought you would :-) [01:09] oh? [01:11] Hobbsee: oh that's great! (sorry afk) [01:12] Jucato: yup. was 15 mins late to work, but they didnt care :P [01:12] haha! [01:12] turns out they didnt have a place where i *could* work, as they were idiots. [01:13] people on registers must be =< number of registers possible to use [01:13] it's simple maths. only requires fingers and toes. [01:13] Hobbsee: And braincells. [01:13] lol === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@84.149.90.176] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:14] Tm_T: yaeh, well, there arent too many of them at work. especially for those in management === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:21] Hmmh, hate when I'm starting to know too well how bad situation is in local edu sector. [01:22] Feel like I should do something when I basically can't. [01:23] kwwii: well, it doesn't seem others share my enthusiasm about it :o) === Hobbsee will have to look at the backscroll to find otu what it is [01:30] Hobbsee: usplash theme, afaik [01:30] mhb: sorry, I missed the comments...who said what? [01:31] kwwii_: no, you didn't :o) [01:31] kwwii_: well, only Jonathan &Erunno commented on it [01:31] I think that was the point... the lack of comments... :/ [01:32] ahaaaa [01:32] now I get it === Jucato would just echo Riddell's comment... presuming he was referring to the "kubuntu" text [01:32] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: that logo is far better than the current, though you might want to add a little blueish to the black kubuntu text [01:32] Jucato: ahhh [01:32] or a little blueish glow.... [01:33] the thing is that the real branding has black text [01:33] but I do get your point [01:34] my idea was to go away from the jello looking stuff, it is not serious enough [01:34] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: hmm ok, the bluish might even ruin the "quality" / "solid" feel you have now [01:34] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: I think you chose good colors anyways when I look more at it [01:34] kwwii_: just a more bluish outer glow to the text wouldn't probably hurt the branding [01:35] Jucato: yeah, you might be right [01:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could you try to whiten the texts lower edges a bit, and keep the colors you have now ? [01:36] _StefanS_: actually I did that already, most people said it made the text look too blocky [01:36] kwwii_: I like the "make the look more serious" idea behind that [01:36] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: maybe that will di the trick.. I think the text sort of needs stand out more [01:37] <_StefanS_> oh [01:37] the hardest part about giving the text a 3d character is that it has to match that of the logo [01:37] the "circular device" I mean [01:37] so the next logo will be less... um...embossed? (looked like candy actually) [01:39] http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2a.png [01:39] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could you try to make the bottom like the upper part please ? [01:40] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: I'm not sure that fading in the bottom really is good for the logo [01:40] I think that looks a bit better... [01:41] kwwii_: I liked the first progress bar more [01:41] <_StefanS_> yes I agree on that === Jucato didn't notice the progress bar has changed... focused on the text [01:42] the conventional center text/logo boot-up splashscreen is boring 8) [01:43] The progress bar design matches nicely with the rest of the Ubuntu design, because it is used in other applications as well. [01:43] <_StefanS_> btw, what is the key to show bootup messages in feisty ? [01:43] apokryphos: let me guess... suse's? :D [01:43] _StefanS_: remove "quiet" from menu.lst? [01:43] It's less so in KDE/Kubuntu, the progress bar there looks different. [01:43] Jucato: theirs sometimes is. [01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yea, but not permanently - I just occasionally want to see messages [01:44] ah [01:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I know there was talk about it at some point [01:44] usplash doesn't have that feature [01:44] so far no one has been able to give me an answer yet to my question about usplash... [01:44] or at least pointed me where I could ask :P [01:44] Apropos, just a general question: Is this channel meant only for developers or open to the common rabble as well ? [01:45] Erunno: #kubuntu-offtopic is better for that [01:45] http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2b.png [01:45] I think that is what you meant? [01:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: yes exactly [01:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: far more readable [01:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: now kubuntu text should be floating with the middle of the - in the kubuntu logo [01:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: ie. move it a bit down [01:46] _StefanS_: that is one thing I cannot do [01:46] hm... doesn't the logo itself look a bit out of place? I mean... it looks artificially placed beside the text.... [01:46] there are explicit locations [01:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: oh [01:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I see your point.. [01:47] the top of the text meets the top of the inner cirlce [01:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: yes but that doesn't balance the logo [01:47] the bottom of the text meets the upper side of the bottom of the circle [01:48] and the top of the smaller text letters meets the bottom side of the top of the inner circle [01:48] Erunno: this is for development related discussion, but various other things get discussed too, usually among the regular people in here. of course, if devleopment talk is going on, then the other stuff is regarded as offtopic. [01:48] straight offtopic stuff is better for #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic [01:48] this was not stuff decided by me...I can only work with it [01:49] Jucato: did you tell _StefanS_ about the bug? [01:49] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: got it, and have a fix [01:49] Hobbsee: yep. he's going to fix it [01:49] nice :) === Jucato will keep on the look out for other feisty bugs mentioned in the forums [01:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: could we try that bluish thing perhaps? [01:50] er... s/will keep/is keeping a/ [01:50] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: still with sharp eg [01:50] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: edges [01:51] _StefanS_: yepp, but first I am getting lunch ;-) [01:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: sure, just msg me [01:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: looking forward to seeing it [01:51] _StefanS_: I'll do that :-) [01:52] <_StefanS_> kwwii_: sweet === Hobbsee contemplates....dishes, or bed? [01:55] "or"!! [01:55] Hobbsee: My dishes or yours? [01:56] sebas: the ones that i used when cooking last night. [01:56] ie, mine [01:56] kwwii_: if you don't mind my asking, how does usplash compare to bootsplash? === Riddell hides [01:56] Hobbsee: Bed, then. === Hobbsee pokes Riddell with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:56] found you! === Jucato seeks [01:57] apokryphos: the bootsplash can do much more [01:57] but the usplash is not a kernel patch [01:57] pure user space stuff? [01:57] exactly [01:57] ah [01:58] interesting [01:58] kwwii_: you indirectly answered my question :) === luis_lopez [n=jabba@68-182-33-22-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato thought that "Now available for Linux Kernel 2.6.15!" meant no more kernel patches... === Jucato also wonders about the possibility of being able to hide/show boot messages in usplash while booting... ala bootsplash/splashy [02:00] kwwii_: not bad, because it it less blue - maybe still some blue cast on kubuntu text? [02:01] see? people want blue. :D [02:01] Lure: yeah, going to work on something like that after lunch [02:02] let kwwii_ eat his lunch!! :D [02:02] nah... [02:03] Jucato: I like blue, but move from solid blue fill to just blueish cast is probably the way to go... [02:04] kwwii_: I am amazed what can be done with 256 colors ;-) [02:04] oh that's 256 colors only?! O.o [02:04] if you do it right :-) [02:05] nothing's impossible for the kwwii_-man :) [02:05] except lunch [02:06] heh ok ok... eat! :) === Erunno [n=matthes@stgt-590e23e9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.5.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@68-182-33-22-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] any MOTU around? Can you sponsor upload for bug 88793 ? [02:39] Malone bug 88793 in kpowersave "UVF exception 0.6.2 -> 0.7.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88793 === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neutraloss [n=neutralo@rrcs-24-97-98-201.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp91-76-79-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] hi [03:19] I have real problems with Adept -- since yesterday it crashed twice. today it crashed when I tried to update packages [03:21] use apt-get [03:22] there was a new release on the repo that fixed my adept issues [03:23] yes, should be fixes in -0ubuntu19 [03:24] Riddell: when will the upgrade tool be available for testing? (re: mhb's mail to kubuntu-testers) [03:25] Jucato: actually it should work now in most cases [03:25] ok [03:25] but it crashes if it doesn't like your apt setup [03:25] and the fixes package is stuck in soyuz somewhere [03:25] fixed [03:26] oh... soyuz... that might take days.. hence your reply to mhb? [03:26] mmm [03:26] but if you want to try it, please do [03:26] this weekend then... just want to make sure I do it properly for testing purposes... [03:27] Jucato: I'm sure once Riddell tells me it's fixed we'll let everyone know :o) [03:28] ok. I'll wait till then :) [03:28] Jucato: I intend to mail some information about it to kubuntu-users and to some other places [03:28] I'm more anxious about testing the upgrade process than actually getting into feisty :) [03:28] Jucato: so we gain more testers [03:28] oh yuriy_ made a similar "call" in kubuntuforums.net [03:29] (no replies yet though [03:29] oh my bad, he was talking about bug hug day [03:30] mhb: if you don't mind, I'll probably copy your email and post it in kubuntuforums.net as well [03:32]