[12:17] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks for asking for help in the Edubuntu meeting :)
[12:17] <LaserJock> np
[12:19] <mpt_> h4writer, you are Hannes?
[12:24] <nixternal> hey, we also need to look at implementing the Microsoft trademark rules and possibly the Mac trademark rules into our licensing stuff (&legalnotice;)
[12:24] <nixternal> according to MS's website we are breaking the law by not labeling MS with the proper trademarks
[12:24] <nixternal> and instead of <tradmark>Microsoft</trademark> and so on, they explicitly state we can just include it in the licensing file
[12:27] <mpt_> nixternal, if you're not going to fix that yourself right now :-), I suggest reporting a bug
[12:28] <h4writer> mpt_, yep I'm Hannes
[12:28] <mpt_> h4writer, welcome!
[12:28] <nixternal> mpt_: I am afraid to report that as a bug :)
[12:28] <h4writer> thanks
[12:29] <mpt_> It's great to have more people helping with the help
[12:29] <nixternal> it is great to have people with helping with help to help others :)
[12:30] <nixternal> my buddy is a copyright and trademark infringement attorney and I asked him about it, he said either fix it now or just wait for Microsoft to send us a "fix it or else" letter
[12:30] <nixternal> heh, like everything else I do, I will wait for the letter
[12:31] <mgalvin> hi everyone
[12:31] <mgalvin> hey, anyone know whats been going on with the UWN
[12:31] <nixternal> howdy Mr. Galvin
[12:31] <mgalvin> hey nixternal
[12:31] <nixternal> mgalvin: that is the Marketing team there, what is happening I really don't know
[12:31] <nixternal> I heard that Cody has been in the hospital
[12:32] <mgalvin> yea, its been quite over there, though someone here might know
[12:32] <nixternal> heh, I see you already mailed the list
[12:32] <mgalvin> oh, that sucks, hope he is ok
[12:32] <mgalvin> yea
[12:32] <nixternal> I don't know if it was major or not, I think Cory knows better though
[01:01] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3884 kubuntu/index.xml: updating doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu index
[01:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: so do you have an edubuntu-docs package that you're comfortable with?
[01:05] <nixternal> close, all but the the gnome-menus-C.ent issue
[01:06] <nixternal> <!ENTITY % gnome-menus-C SYSTEM "../../../ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent">
[01:06] <nixternal> that won't work with Edubuntu if we place them in gnome/help/edubuntu
[01:07] <nixternal> the easy package fix is 1) create gnome/help/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent or 2) change the package documents to point to ../../../ubuntu-docs/ligs/gnome-menus-C.ent
[01:08] <nixternal> s/ligs/libs/
[01:09] <nixternal> LaserJock: are you using Ubuntu Feisty right now?
[01:09] <nixternal> if so, double check ../../../ubuntu/libs just to make sure I am 100% correct
[01:11] <nixternal> ls: /usr/share/gnome/help/ubuntu: No such file or directory
[01:11] <nixternal> so the current edubuntu package will break if using gnome-menus-C.ent
[01:16] <nixternal> alright, back to class
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> ls: /usr/share/gnome/help/ubuntu: No such file or director
[02:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: still around?
[02:14] <bdmurray> I was checking out the ubuntu-serverguide package and noticed the contributors page link is broekn / didn't get converted cleanly
[02:15] <LaserJock> ohh
[02:15] <LaserJock> bdmurray: did you file a bug?
[02:16] <bdmurray> LaserJock: I probably should.  I was trying to take a break from bug work though. ;)
[02:17] <LaserJock> if you could just file it it'd be great
[02:17] <LaserJock> I think I'll be on a big doc package fixing mission tonight
[02:20] <bdmurray> LaserJock: done
[02:21] <bdmurray> Will there be an ubuntu-serverguide package in Malone for bug reports?
[02:21] <LaserJock> it should be there already
[02:22] <LaserJock> I guess you should file bug reports on that for packaging issues and stuff like that
[02:22] <bdmurray> It doesn't seem to be there
[02:23] <LaserJock> oh right
[02:24] <LaserJock> ubuntu-serverguide is just a .deb build from ubuntu-docs source package
[02:24] <LaserJock> LP uses the source package not the .deb
[02:25] <LaserJock> bbl
[02:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: brian * r3885 common/preface.pot: Spacing issues
[02:28] <bdmurray> that's neat
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88814 in ubuntu-doc "Server Guide link to contributor's page is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88814
[05:27] <nixternal> LaserJock: I am back
[05:28] <LaserJock> sweet
[05:28] <nixternal> is it?
[05:28] <nixternal> ;p
[05:28] <LaserJock> I was just building whatever you had
[05:28] <nixternal> well just so you know, the gnome-menus-C isn't going to work with what I had
[05:29] <LaserJock> right, but everything else?
[05:29] <nixternal> everything else will be fine
[05:29] <LaserJock> hmm, it's still building
[05:30] <nixternal> hey, can you create a symlink for gnome/help/ubuntu-docs/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent to gnome/help/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I was actually thinking of installing it into an ubuntu/
[05:31] <LaserJock> there is no ubuntu/ currently
[05:32] <LaserJock> ah, you are calling the deb rule
[05:32] <LaserJock> deb: clean style about rn esa hb
[05:32] <LaserJock> that rule should be empty
[05:33] <nixternal> hrmm, I did empty it
[05:33] <nixternal> check the svn
[05:33] <nixternal> # deb: used for creating package for Edubuntu documentation
[05:33] <nixternal> deb:
[05:33] <LaserJock> I'm just looking at your package
[05:33] <LaserJock> k, cool
[05:33] <nixternal> maybe I didn't put a more recent one up there where I nixed that portion
[05:34] <LaserJock> now lets see about this ent issue
[05:34] <nixternal> heck, that entire part can be removed from debian/rules as well
[05:34] <nixternal> we don't even need the Makefile for the package
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, we might want to make minimal changes in case we want to do soemthing elese ;-)
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, make is called
[05:34] <nixternal> right
[05:34] <LaserJock> so it's nice to have a fake rule
[05:35] <nixternal> ok
[05:36] <LaserJock> ok, now the ubuntu docs find the ent where?
[05:36] <nixternal> hrmm, good question
[05:37] <nixternal> ../../libs
[05:37] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/gnome/ubuntu I think
[05:37] <nixternal> no such dir
[05:37] <LaserJock> oh /usr/share/gnome/help/libs/
[05:37] <nixternal> that is one place
[05:37] <nixternal> but those are the general libs, not the gnome-menu-C side
[05:37] <nixternal> gnome-menu-C is in svn as trunk/ubuntu/libs
[05:39] <LaserJock> ok, well here's one thing we could do
[05:40] <LaserJock> we could put it in edubuntu/libs/
[05:40] <LaserJock> and change the xml files
[05:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:43] <nixternal> I thought about that as well
[05:44] <LaserJock> you know
[05:44] <LaserJock> we really might want our own copy anyway
[05:44] <LaserJock> becuase of all the Edu apps
[05:45] <LaserJock> what do you think?
[05:46] <nixternal> +1
[05:46] <nixternal> haha, makes it a hell of a lot easier
[05:46] <nixternal> I am on it batman
[05:53] <nixternal> OK, rebuilding right now
[05:55] <nixternal> man, dreamhost is the garbage tonight
[05:58] <nixternal> how long does it take to rm -rf blah/ which is empty?
[05:59] <LaserJock> umm, not very long
[06:00] <nixternal> heh, so one would think. My Dreamhost server is a tank tonight
[06:00] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty
[06:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3886 edubuntu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): cp gnome-menus-C.ent into edubuntu/libs in order to bypass a packaging issue, fixed handbook xml headers to match correct libs directory
[06:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: hmm, that's looking good
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, but I get a lot of errors when I install it and load yelp
[06:18] <nixternal> really, what errors?
[06:20] <LaserJock> /usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/handbook/C/bookinfo.xml:72: parser error : Entity 'educopy' not defined
[06:20] <LaserJock> &educopy;
[06:21] <LaserJock> ah heck
[06:21] <LaserJock> it's from common/ not being in /usr/share/gnome/help/
[06:21] <nixternal> argh
[06:21] <LaserJock> stupid ents
[06:22] <nixternal> ln -s?
[06:22] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <nixternal> that is one great thing about KDE and Kubuntu, our docs go to the same place, we follow suit/standard
[06:23] <LaserJock> well, it really would be fine if we didn't install to edubuntu/
[06:23] <LaserJock> we *could* install to edubuntu-$$doc
[06:23] <nixternal> haha, so that means...reverting the last changes, which is nothing major
[06:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:24] <LaserJock> but we are breaking everything right now
[06:24] <nixternal> wow, so you would have edubuntu-about-edubuntu, edubuntu-releasenotes, edubuntu-handbook, edubuntu-SchoolAdvocacy
[06:24] <LaserJock> not about edubuntu
[06:24] <LaserJock> but the others
[06:24] <LaserJock> I'm really only concerend about release notes and handbook
[06:24] <LaserJock> they have such generic names
[06:24] <nixternal> ya
[06:25] <nixternal> cp edubuntu/$$doc/C/*.xml debian/edubuntu-docs/usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/$$doc/C/
[06:26] <nixternal> just replace the edubuntu/$$doc with edubuntu-$$doc
[06:26] <nixternal> that is easy enough, and revert my changes
[06:26] <LaserJock> I'd rather not do  ESA and About Edubuntu that way though
[06:26] <LaserJock> can we just split it into 2 cp lines
[06:26] <nixternal> well, I would break them out
[06:26] <nixternal> exactly
[06:27] <nixternal> let me do that really quick
[06:27] <LaserJock> I think that's the way to go
[06:28] <nixternal> actually, I don't have to revert my changes to the gnome-menus-C
[06:28] <nixternal> it is just changing that out
[06:37] <nixternal> argh
[06:37] <LaserJock> now what?
[06:39] <nixternal> typo :)
[06:40] <LaserJock> gotta "get'r done"
[06:40] <nixternal> haha
[06:40] <nixternal> she is done this time, getting ready to upload to the server again
[06:41] <nixternal> argh this server is stupid
[06:43] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty
[06:43] <nixternal> that should be the one LaserJock :)  I will brb, takin' the puppy out
[06:47] <LaserJock> are the omf files updated?
[06:47] <nixternal> fdjklafjdlasjfdsja
[06:48] <LaserJock> libs are still installed to /usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/
[06:51] <nixternal> ya
[06:52] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:52] <nixternal> that brings up a new can of worms
[06:53] <LaserJock> if they are installed to /usr/share/gnome/help/libs/ that should work, right?
[06:53] <nixternal> there is already gnome/help/libs/
[06:53] <LaserJock> don't install ones that are already installed by ubuntu-docs
[06:53] <LaserJock> but the edubuntu ones should be ok
[06:53] <nixternal> roger
[06:56] <nixternal> we can't
[06:56] <nixternal> differen't css files
[06:57] <nixternal> the silly ubuntu-docs dir is killing us. if it was just ubuntu, then it wouldn't be a problem
[06:57] <nixternal> rather, if the package was installed the way the svn was setup
[07:13] <LaserJock> wait a sec
[07:13] <LaserJock> the ubuntu package works
[07:14] <LaserJock> ours should be the same
[07:33] <LaserJock> nixternal: still alive?
[08:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: pingy pingy
[08:16] <mdke_> LaserJock: the server installation includes an html viewer
[08:16] <LaserJock> yeah, but there's not necessarily a link between the two
[08:16] <LaserJock> you know what I mean?
[08:17] <LaserJock> for the packaging guide I think I might add in a .desktop file or something
[08:17] <mdke_> bdmurray: pot files are generated automatically, it's probably a bad idea to edit them directly
[08:17] <LaserJock> for the server guide maybe a script that runs the html viewer with the right URL would help?
[08:17] <mdke_> LaserJock: a script that runs it when?
[08:19] <LaserJock> mdke_: just make like /usr/bin/serverguide
[08:20] <LaserJock> so you could just run serverguide and it'd load it up
[08:20] <mdke_> oh I see
[08:20] <mdke_> nice idea, did you discuss it with fabbione?
[08:21] <LaserJock> no, I poked him when he first came in but he said he needed to wake up and think about it ;-)
[08:21] <mdke_> ask him about that
[08:22] <mdke_> LaserJock: see mpt's patch? looks like he wants to move about-ubuntu into "new to ubuntu 7.04"
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[08:23] <LaserJock> mdke_: nixternal and I are having a heck of a time with edubuntu-docs
[08:23] <mdke_> really?
[08:23] <LaserJock> the ents seem to not work out well when we install
[08:23] <mdke_> do they work with ubuntu-docs?
[08:24] <LaserJock> yeah, I think ubuntu-docs works out ok
[08:24] <mdke_> so just install the ents in the same place :)
[08:24] <LaserJock> but for some reason it seems like we either break svn or installed paths
[08:25] <mdke_> so /usr/share/gnome/common and /usr/share/gnome/ubuntu are symbolic links to /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common|ubuntu
[08:25] <mdke_> did you try that?
[08:25] <mdke_> we should probably do the same with /usr/share/gnome/libs I guess
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, let me have a look
[08:50] <mdke_> morning mpt
[09:07] <Madpilot> mdke_, noticed the vandalism on wuc/Home?
[09:07] <mdke_> no, well spotted
[09:08] <Madpilot> someone else fixed the damage, I just haunt RecentChanges
[09:09] <Madpilot> actually, I've got wuc & huc/c's RecentChanges open in Opera, set to auto-refresh every 20min
[09:17] <mdke_> Madpilot: :)
[09:18] <Madpilot> the autorefresh means I don't have to subscribe to the whole of both wikis like some insane ppl do, but I can keep an eye on the whole thing while I'm surfing
[10:02] <mpt> hi mdke_
[10:17] <LaserJock> mdke_: do you know how to revert in svn?
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3887 edubuntu/ (9 files in 6 dirs):
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Finished edubuntu-docs package:
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * reverted 3886 and 3875
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * updated changelog and copyright
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * don't install to gnome/help/edubuntu
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * made handbook and releasenotes install path non-generic
[11:12] <LaserJock> badaboom!
[11:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: edubuntu-docs uploaded
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88964 in ubuntu-doc "Typo in the Packaging Guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88964
[08:09] <LaserJock> nixternal: you awake/around/available?
[08:50] <mdke_> LaserJock: svn revert (--recursive) filename
[08:50] <LaserJock> mdke_: yeah, it wasn't what I wanted
[08:50] <mdke_> oh, merge?
[08:50] <LaserJock> I wanted to "go back in time"
[08:50] <LaserJock> bad terminology
[08:51] <mdke_> yeah, merge
[08:51] <mdke_> get it sorted?
[08:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:51] <mdke_> cool
[08:51] <LaserJock> I actually manually did it since it wasn't much
[08:51] <LaserJock> the merge  command I found in the SVN manual didn't work for some reason
[08:51] <LaserJock> I think I might have been using it wrong, not sure
[08:51] <mdke_> ah, I've only ever used it on quite simple changes
[08:52] <LaserJock>  anyway, I got the edubuntu-docs package figure out, I hope
[08:52] <LaserJock> I uploaded it to Universe and got the MIR in the queue
[08:53] <mdke_> cool
[08:56] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3888 generic/packagingguide/C/bugs.xml: typo, bug 88964
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88964 in ubuntu-doc "Typo in the Packaging Guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88964
[08:57] <LaserJock> oh thanks
[08:57] <LaserJock> I was going to get to that
[08:57] <mdke_> :)
[08:59] <LaserJock> did fabbione ever decide what to do about the serverguide?
[09:00] <nixternal> LaserJock: rock on!
[09:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: :-)
[09:01] <LaserJock> I uploaded it at 2:30 am
[09:01] <nixternal> so you got it working ey?
[09:01] <nixternal> ya, I seen that
[09:01] <LaserJock> not exactly on the same day
[09:01] <nixternal> I passed out on the couch
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:01] <LaserJock> but close enough
[09:01] <nixternal> good, so that means you will get all of the bug reports for it now :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> nope
[09:02] <nixternal> you packaged it :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> it's in your name dude ;-)
[09:02] <nixternal> no no no
[09:02] <nixternal> haha
[09:02] <LaserJock> I just tweaked it a tad
[09:02] <LaserJock> but you worked hard so I gave you the changelog entry
[09:02] <nixternal> lovely :)
[09:03] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe, smb4k is so bad
[09:06] <mdke> LaserJock: no, he didn't reply to me
[09:07] <LaserJock> k
[10:00] <h4writer> hi
[10:01] <h4writer> I got a suggestion of mpt to make the navigation bar (back, forward, help topics) need to be icon only
[10:01] <h4writer> But should it be better to make it possible to change it in gconf-editor?
[10:01] <h4writer> and default ICON only?
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85724 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Absence of GUI Command-line Code Reference on Terminal Emulators" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85724
[10:39] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3889 ubuntu/basic-commands/ (. C/ C/basic-commands.xml): importing from the wiki, with some tweaks and manual fixes, needs review
[10:45] <mdke> if you can do a patch just to make it icon only, we'd definitely consider it I think
[10:46] <h4writer> I just made it;-)
[10:46] <mdke> cool
[10:46] <mdke> got a screenshot?
[10:47] <h4writer> will make one
[10:47] <h4writer> it is on edgy, but that wont change the behaviour
[10:47] <h4writer> (with gconf-editor changer;-))
[10:49] <h4writer> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7946/screenshot2ue8.png
[10:50] <h4writer> I've submitted the change of source to lists, so you can apply it yourself. It isn't working by me:-(
[10:50] <mdke> how do you mean, it isn't working?
[10:50] <h4writer> (I mean I can't build the newest package)
[10:50] <h4writer> just thought I is dubious
[10:50] <h4writer> The program is running;-)
[10:50] <LaserJock> h4writer: where did you get the source from?
[10:51] <h4writer> Now it is from bzr
[10:51] <h4writer> but I can take it from apt-get source to
[10:51] <mdke> you'll need to ensure that the patch works for feisty yelp for us to be able to consider it, I think
[10:51] <h4writer> It won't change my code I've changed;-)
[10:51] <h4writer> I mean, it will definitly work on feisty
[10:51] <mdke> you should also try and produce a screenshot with that specific change only, rather than with your other customisations
[10:52] <mdke> then we can run it past the yelp maintainer
[10:52] <h4writer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008198.html
[10:52] <h4writer> that's what I have changed
[10:53] <h4writer> is it an option to give that to the yelp maintainer?
[10:54] <h4writer> that's the customisation of the toolbar only;-)
[10:54] <LaserJock> h4writer: you really need to get the Feisty yelp source going
[10:54] <LaserJock> h4writer: what release are you using?
[10:54] <mdke> yes, I think we can try that, but a patch on the feisty would be better
[10:54] <h4writer> can you give https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008196.html tot?
[10:54] <h4writer> it is a patch for the arrows
[10:54] <h4writer> in the find bar
[10:55] <h4writer> and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008195.html
[10:55] <mdke> I don't really understand what is wrong with the arrows
[10:55] <h4writer> will show my version
[10:57] <h4writer> just had a firefox crash
[10:57] <h4writer> so wait a minute
[10:58] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3890 ubuntu/ (libs/gnome-menus-C.ent office/C/office.xml): gnucash menu entry as per #71632
[11:02] <h4writer> http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2305/screenshot3mt4.png
[11:03] <h4writer> @mdke, here you see
[11:03] <h4writer> I think it is logicaler
[11:09] <h4writer> I'm going to sleep
[11:09] <h4writer> so bye
[11:10] <mdke> it looks the same as in feisty already
[11:10] <mdke> (the arrows)
[11:11] <h4writer> okey
[11:11] <h4writer> np
[11:11] <h4writer> :p
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3891 ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml: bug 61714
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61714 in ubuntu-docs "BitTorrent sidebar entry is too large " [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61714
[11:18] <mdke> gnight all