[12:27] <poningru> ok so working on herd5 on gobby
[09:34] <poningru_> need someone to take some caps of the recently built live-cds
[09:34] <poningru_> if anyone is alive
[09:35] <poningru_> elkbuntu
[09:36] <elkbuntu> poningru_, you'd be waiting... at least 4 hours if you're wanting me. i can only get stuff at 160kbs
[09:36] <poningru_> well the thing is... the web team really wants tiny screenshots
[09:37] <elkbuntu> i cant help for a few hours due to download, no amount of debating is going to change this
[09:38] <poningru_> I need caps of the new artwork, nm-vpn plugins, menu for desktop-prettiness, and a crash report 
[09:38] <poningru_> elkbuntu: oh... you mean to download latest cd
[09:38] <elkbuntu> by when?
[09:38] <poningru_> right gotcha
[09:38] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:38] <elkbuntu> i've only got australian internet :(
[09:38] <poningru_> elkbuntu: whenever they wanna release herd 5
[09:38] <poningru_> aka asap
[09:39] <elkbuntu> fuckers
[09:39] <poningru_> lol
[09:39] <elkbuntu> im yet to figure why this isnt dumped onto the art team as well :
[09:40] <elkbuntu> hmm... i have feisty herd3 iirc on the laptop, maybe dist upgrading will be faster
[09:40] <poningru_> ooh yeah that would be awesome
[09:40] <poningru_> thanks soo much
[09:41] <poningru_> my stupid laptop refuses all advances by feisty on it
[09:43] <poningru_> hehe
[09:43] <elkbuntu> 310 updates :-/
[09:45] <poningru_> ouch
[09:45] <elkbuntu> not unexpected but it's not going to be quick
[09:47] <elkbuntu> ugh.. local mirror currently in synch process...
[04:01] <elkbuntu> poningru, argh, all i've managed to get done is the two screenshots in http://geekosophical.net/random
[06:09] <beuno> hello everyone
[06:19] <beuno> we need to get the UWN out again
[06:19] <beuno> who can help me out?
[06:19] <adamant1988> beuno: I can try, I suppose.  Have I been removed from the marketing team yet?
[06:22] <Burgwork> beuno: hey beuno
[06:22] <Burgwork> yes, we need a UWN, however, I have no time
[06:22] <beuno> Burgwork: hey!
[06:22] <Burgwork> mgalvin has promised to step up again
[06:22] <beuno> oh, have you seen the emails that went back in forth the last hour or so?
[06:23] <beuno> adamant1988: why would you be removed?
[06:23] <adamant1988> Haven't been here for a few months
[06:23] <beuno> adamant1988: that doesn't make your help less usefull  ;D
[06:24] <adamant1988> It does mean that I would be subject to being pruned from the project :)
[06:24] <adamant1988> How much do you have done with this? 
[06:24] <beuno> adamant1988: have you helped with UWN before?
[06:24] <beuno> this is what we got up to now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue30
[06:25] <adamant1988> I tried to help with it's design, but I pretty much got ignored.
[06:25] <adamant1988> What format is this shipped in now?
[06:25] <beuno> adamant1988: plain text
[06:25] <beuno> but that's not what we need help right now
[06:26] <beuno> we need to get it released
[06:26] <beuno> so we need help writing it
[06:26] <adamant1988> I'm OK with writing. 
[06:26] <adamant1988> Not great, but I try to use grammar wherever possible. :P
[06:27] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure we can get help with grammar corrections once we have most of it done
[06:27] <adamant1988> Haha, well, What needs to be written at this point?
[06:29] <marianom> greetings everyone
[06:30] <beuno> adamant1988: give me a few min to get myself organized
[06:31] <beuno> hey marianom
[06:31] <adamant1988> Sure.
[06:31] <beuno> marianom is here to help us with UWN too  ;)
[06:32] <beuno> adamant1988, marianom, this is a good place to start reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[06:35] <marianom> ok, i'm on it. installing gobby
[06:35] <beuno> marianom: can you start updating the "Meetings and Events" section?
[06:36] <beuno> edit directly on the wiki for now
[06:36] <beuno> we get the data from: http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[06:36] <marianom> yeah, sure
[06:36] <beuno> I think we should do a quick UWN with news up until Feb 24th
[06:37] <beuno> and release UWN #31 Feb 25th to Mar 4th
[06:37] <beuno> althouh the meetings don't make sense if they've already passed...
[06:38] <beuno> so basically add from today and a week ahead
[06:39] <Burgwork> that sounds good
[06:39] <marianom> ok, let me see if I got it: on #30 just meetings from today till a week from now. is it right?
[06:39] <Burgwork> beuno: when you have a UWN, feel free to ask me to quickly look over it and send it
[06:44] <beuno> Burgwork: I absolutely will, thanks
[06:45] <beuno> marianom: correct!
[06:47] <beuno> adamant1988: do you think you can look for articles in the press about Ubuntu?
[06:47] <beuno> I usually use Google News and search for "ubuntu"
[06:47] <beuno> articles published from Jan 28th to Feb 24th
[06:49] <beuno> tsmithe: I can feel you want to help out to but you're just a bit shy
[06:53] <beuno> tsmithe: I've read in an... uhm... article... that suming up news improves your packaging skills
[06:53] <beuno> not sure how, but I'm positive that was the conclusion
[06:53] <tsmithe> where can i find this... uhm... article?
[06:55] <beuno> don't remember, but I'll be sure to look for it this weekend
[06:55] <beuno> meanwhile you can find it out for yourself
[07:03] <adamant1988> beuno: what kind of articles? I'm subscribed to about 10 feeds that deal with Ubuntu
[07:07] <beuno> adamant1988: articles that talk about Ubuntu
[07:07] <beuno> (positively)
[07:08] <adamant1988> OK, now are community written articles acceptable, or are we looking for press releases? 
[07:11] <beuno> adamant1988: press releases mostly
[07:11] <adamant1988> Eh, I don't get many of those, but ok
[07:11] <beuno> adamant1988: I know  ;)
[07:11] <beuno> google news is your friend
[07:12] <adamant1988> Eh, I suppose, but I'd rather get interesting news.
[07:22] <beuno> adamant1988: well, see what you can cook up and we'll go from there
[07:22] <adamant1988> beuno, how long has it been since the UWN has been released?
[07:23] <beuno> adamant1988: the last one was release over a month ago
[07:23] <adamant1988> So much for being weekly, eh?  Perhaps the designs should be re-thought?
[07:23] <beuno> adamant1988: it used to be "almost weekly"
[07:24] <beuno> but the main editors have been on leave
[07:24] <beuno> so nobody was there to push it forward
[07:24] <adamant1988> I see, but you don't think the news could be delivered to the Ubuntu community in a more... interesting fashion?  Since obviously the newsletter has stagnated for a month it seems like that would be a good time to introduce change.
[07:27] <beuno> adamant1988: what do you have in mind?
[07:28] <adamant1988> beuno: looking at current trends, I think presenting the news in a manner that allows for discussion would produce a much more exciting new medium for the community.  A newsletter is flat, you can't talk to it, you can't enter your opinion. 
[07:28] <adamant1988> Obviously Ubuntu is about the community, so that should be encouraged.
[07:29] <beuno> adamant1988: would a link to discuss it in the forums satisfy that, or does it have to be *more* interactive?
[07:29] <adamant1988> Well, what I think is that a link in the forums would suffice, but we could do better.
[07:30] <marianom> beuno: future meeting all loaded. please, take a look and let me know if its ok
[07:30] <adamant1988> Perhaps a blog we could all edit and add the "news" to.   
[07:30] <adamant1988> Granted, this would lose it's weekly format, as the news would just be "Whenever it happens" someone would talk about it.
[07:31] <beuno> adamant1988: I think a blog would go against the purpose of the UWN
[07:31] <beuno> where editors come in place
[07:31] <adamant1988> Which is?
[07:31] <marianom> um beuno I see a little identation detail that I must fix. give me a minute
[07:31] <beuno> although it would be interesting to discuss your idea
[07:31] <beuno> marianom: sure, n
[07:31] <beuno> np
[07:32] <adamant1988> beuno: I don't mean to be brazen, but I don't even subscribe to company newsletters anymore
[07:32] <adamant1988> In fact I haven't seen companies offering them, but they are sure willing to tell you they have a blog up. 
[07:32] <adamant1988> You can subscribe to that with RSS and now you've got something every bit as good as a newsletter, but it feels like it's written by real people, for real people.
[07:33] <beuno> adamant1988: I agree, newsletters are a bit old, but this really has to be discussed with everyone who is involved in the UWN
[07:33] <beuno> I due find it interesting
[07:33] <adamant1988> That's fine, just don't tell me to put it on the mailing list.  I hate that thing. 
[07:34] <beuno> I'd encourage you to sum up your idea and send it to the marketing mailing list              ;)
[07:34] <beuno> lol
[07:34] <adamant1988> Yeah, I've been told that before.  I hate trying to communicate on that thing.
[07:34] <adamant1988> It's like a forum, but incredibly innefficient and hard to keep track of. 
[07:34] <Burgwork> right
[07:35] <adamant1988> plus all the spam... all the spam..
[07:35] <Burgwork> except I find a forum incredibly innefficient and hard to keep track of
[07:35] <Burgwork> because I have to go to the forum
[07:35] <Burgwork> the mailing list comes to me
[07:35] <beuno> I'm fine with both  ;D
[07:35] <beuno> adamant1988: that is a valid point, mails are active, the forum is passive
[07:36] <adamant1988> So subscribe to the forum?
[07:37] <adamant1988> I get an email every time someone posts a thread on SuSELinux.net in a certain forum. 
[07:37] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure both can live together in harmony
[07:37] <marianom> beuno, it's donde. please take a look and let me know what you think
[07:37] <marianom> it's done, sorry
[07:37] <adamant1988> beuno: not if the marketing team refuses to use one or the other :P
[07:38] <adamant1988> But I'll go ahead and alter my mailing list filter so it stops directing everything to the trashcan. 
[07:38] <beuno> marianom: perfect
[07:38] <marianom> look! uluga meeting is there!!! niceee
[07:39] <beuno> marianom: want to give "Bug Stats" a try?
[07:39] <marianom> ok, np
[07:39] <beuno> gather information through here: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[07:40] <beuno> you have to mannually sum up the days
[07:40] <beuno> from Jan 28th to Feb 24th
[07:40] <marianom> ok, let me grab a mug of coffe and I'm on it
[07:41] <beuno> marianom: :D   thanks for the help
[07:42] <beuno> adamant1988: I guess it's all about getting along with all kinds of different people
[07:43] <adamant1988> beuno: I just really don't like having my mail box flooded with information that's a bit hard to digest, then figuring out who I need to reply to, etc.
[07:44] <beuno> adamant1988: the marketing list is pretty low traffic
[07:44] <beuno> and gmail helps a lot by threading
[07:44] <adamant1988> beuno: It wasn't when I was on it.  Yeah, the threading helps a ton, but I still never know who to send my replies to, etc.
[07:45] <beuno> adamant1988: all replies go to the mailing list
[07:45] <beuno> the "reply all" button is what you would hit
[07:45] <adamant1988> hrmm
[07:45] <adamant1988> and reply all sends a copy to everyone in the thread or?
[07:54] <beuno> adamant1988: to the mailing list
[07:54] <adamant1988> ok
[07:55] <beuno> and specifically to the person who sent the mail, depends on how they have they're mail client configured
[07:55] <beuno> in practice, it works  ;)
[08:04] <adamant1988> ok, I've set up my filter to hopefully avoid maxing out all 2.8 GB of space on my Gmail
[08:09] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure the marketing mailing list won't  ;)
[08:11] <marianom> I can see that the best way to count this bugs is to use the raw data
[08:12] <marianom> i'm preparing an oracle import in order to take the data to known fields
[08:12] <beuno> marianom: that would be great
[08:18] <adamant1988> There
[08:18] <adamant1988> I sent your evil mailing list a letter.
[08:18] <beuno> adamant1988: heheh, thanks
[08:19] <adamant1988> I hope that the filter I set up will let me manage the info a little better than last time around with this list.
[08:25] <adamant1988> I was right
[08:25] <adamant1988> I did get pruned from the launchpad.
[08:30] <beuno> adamant1988: you got deactivated in the marketing team?
[08:30] <adamant1988> yup, I added myself though
[08:32] <Burgwork> there was a time when people were automatically pruned
[08:32] <Burgwork> that time has now ended
[08:34] <MitchM> ;)
[09:27] <tsmithe> adamant1988, thing is - about that bloggy idea
[09:28] <tsmithe> is that *everything* is on a blog these days
[09:28] <tsmithe> it's kinda "old", even the "newsletter" style is actually the elder.
[09:28] <tsmithe> i prefer that kind of "retro" feel
[09:29] <tsmithe> adamant1988, another thing is - my sis showed me an image earlier: it's not that long, when talking to an linux user, before he demands an rss feeds
[09:29] <tsmithe> *feed
[09:29] <adamant1988> tsmithe: we're aware, I don't know about you, but I like when people write the news and not robots.  Everyone else I know is the same. 
[09:30] <tsmithe> adamant1988, indeed
[09:30] <tsmithe> i wasn't aware there were any robots involved
[09:30] <tsmithe> except the changeomatic
[09:30] <adamant1988> I read the editorials first in my newspapers, because they're infinitely more interesting. 
[09:30] <tsmithe> indeed
[09:31] <beuno> adamant1988: paste the URLs you find in the wiki
[09:31] <beuno> under "In The Press"
[09:31] <beuno> and if your up to it, do a little piece on what it says
[09:32] <adamant1988> If you make the news more interesting, and then you make it interactive to the extent that people can talk back to you about it.  You've not only made the news interesting, you've made it interactive, and that's a good thing
[09:32] <tsmithe> ok
[09:33] <tsmithe> but, erm, define, "more interesting"?
[09:33] <tsmithe> and how does a blog acheive that when a newsletter doesn't?
[09:33] <beuno> adamant1988: I agree, but we still have to get the UWN out for now, we can discuss how to improve it, but still we need to get it out
[09:34] <adamant1988> beuno: I suggested getting rid of it on the mailing list.  At this point it's a waste of resources and time that could be dedicated to the fridge. 
[09:34] <beuno> adamant1988: I don't think it's an option right now
[09:34] <adamant1988> It's still an open suggestion *shrug*
[09:35] <Burgwork> we need to send something out via the mailing list
[09:35] <Burgwork> however, we can do it in more discrete chunks
[09:35] <tsmithe> and adamant1988; i don't want this "social solution" to end up as a new planet
[09:36] <adamant1988> tsmithe: I've read Ubuntu Planet, it's just a blog, they post some of the most random stuff on that
[09:36] <tsmithe> no
[09:36] <tsmithe> not like that
[09:36] <tsmithe> moderated, news aggregations
[09:36] <tsmithe> i'm particularly wary, as you have 10 ubuntu feeds already, which kinda (sorry to be blunt, and i don't want to seem rude/abrupt) suggests you're a blog "fan".
[09:36] <Burgwork> no, planet is an aggregator
[09:37] <beuno> Burgwork: I'll make sure UWN 30 is ready enough today, so tomorrow we can start working on UWN 31 and get up to date
[09:37] <Burgwork> ok, that works
[09:37] <adamant1988> tsmithe: I have a lot of RSS feeds.  They deliver the news to me instead of making me go find it. 
[09:37] <marianom> beuno: there's no bug data between 21/02 and 27/02
[09:38] <beuno> wierd, and after that there is?
[09:38] <tsmithe> indeed - that's probably good, but i'm one (of that perhaps small minority) that doesn't like feeds
[09:38] <Burgwork> if we are breaking up the UWN into discrete chunks and it goes on the web, the fridge is teh way to go
[09:38] <marianom> you asked me to compare 28/01 with 24/02
[09:38] <marianom> what you choose: 20/02 or 28/02 as limit date to compare?
[09:38] <tsmithe> adamant1988, i'd like feeds if it was easier for me to access them, and to integrate them with my desktop
[09:38] <beuno> Burgwork: we should really wait for jenda to get back, and have a meeting to discuss it
[09:38] <Burgwork> yep
[09:38] <Burgwork> and cody
[09:38] <Burgwork> who I hear is in hospital
[09:39] <MenZa> hmm
[09:39] <MenZa> Where is jenda+
[09:39] <MenZa> Jenda*
[09:39] <adamant1988> tsmithe: try BlogBridge it's what I'm using right now.  It's it's own desktop application
[09:39] <tsmithe> MenZa, month in india
[09:39] <beuno> jenda is in india until March 19th
[09:39] <MenZa> :O
[09:39] <marianom> beuno: ?
[09:40] <marianom> sorry for the hurry but I'm in a good moment
[09:40] <beuno> actually, jenda is in Sri Lanka
[09:40] <beuno> india didn't work out
[09:40] <tsmithe> oh really?
[09:40] <tsmithe> how come?
[09:41] <beuno> tsmithe: not very safe in india
[09:41] <tsmithe> really? unlucky...
[09:41] <tsmithe> and it's more in sri lanka?
[09:42] <beuno> tsmithe: it seems like it, yes
[09:42] <tsmithe> well... sad to hear it
[09:42] <beuno> he has to go to bangladesh to return, so he'll have to cross over again
[09:42] <tsmithe> i thought he was meeting friends...
[09:42] <beuno> tsmithe: I think they all went to sri lanka, not sure
[09:42] <tsmithe> cool
[09:43] <beuno> I've been to turkey, that's about it
[09:44] <tsmithe> meh - hungary is as far as i've been
[09:44] <tsmithe> going west though! \o/
[09:45] <beuno> ;)  how's the fundraiser?
[09:45] <tsmithe> well - i got a job!
[09:45] <beuno> that's great news
[09:46] <beuno> so you're going
[09:46] <tsmithe> of course!
[09:46] <tsmithe> did you ever think i wouldn't?
[09:46] <beuno> congrats
[09:46] <tsmithe> :)
[09:46] <beuno> well, the fundraiser wasn't exactly exploding
[09:47] <tsmithe> haha no
[09:47] <tsmithe> i'm very envious of jono
[09:47] <beuno> he has fundraising powers?
[09:47] <tsmithe> well, he made 776 in two days :'(
[09:48] <tsmithe> and it's up to 891 now
[09:48] <beuno> heh, not bad
[09:49] <tsmithe> that's about 6 times as much as i have raised
[09:53] <marianom> beuno: check the bug stats. I added a little comment to reflect we're counting monthly in this edition due to the delay and the missing stats
[09:55] <beuno> marianom: on the wiki?
[10:55] <marianom> beuno: on the wiki
[10:56] <beuno> marianom: from which date to which date?
[10:57] <marianom> beuno: I compared 28/01 against 28/02
[10:57] <marianom> too much?
[10:57] <beuno> marianom: no, that's great   ;)
[10:57] <marianom> I took the first date you gave me and last one I could find in february
[10:58] <beuno> thanks
[10:58] <marianom> I added a little note, hope next weekly it can be again on weekly basis
[10:58] <marianom> I can take an additional task for tomorrow, do you have another one?
[11:01] <beuno> marianom: I'll get back to you by email or gtalk later
[11:01] <beuno> need to finish some *work* before the meeting in an hour
[11:01] <marianom> ok
[11:01] <marianom> go ahead
[11:02] <marianom> see you in an hour