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LaserJock	cool	12:13
imbrandon	LaserJock, http://www.racoonfink.com/archives/000713.html	12:16
neutrinomass	erm, when building a package from CVS (which does not provide a ./configure) should one run autogen.sh before dh_make or in debian/rules ?	12:17
tsmithe	rules...	12:17
neutrinomass	cool, thanks	12:17
tsmithe	which package?	12:18
imbrandon	neutrinomass, before dh_make	12:18
=== tsmithe is unsure about the question :S
neutrinomass	Ok, now I can sense a disagreement between the motus :p	12:18
tsmithe	i'm not a motu	12:18
tsmithe	:P	12:18
neutrinomass	http://glsof.sourceforge.net/	12:18
tsmithe	(and i'm going to go look at a package to see)	12:18
imbrandon	its from cvs, prep it like a tarbal ( eg run autogen ) before you pakage it	12:19
tsmithe	yeah	12:19
tsmithe	otherwise it could have nasty cvs-deps	12:19
tsmithe	(as i discovered with wired and autopoint)	12:19
neutrinomass	imbrandon: Ok, cool. (good thing I didn't have the time to delete my package grins at tsmithe :P )	12:19
tsmithe	imbrandon, haha - i thought dh_make was a command in rules and was getting really, really confused. now i remember what it's really for (god knows - i've used it enough times)	12:20
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neutrinomass	erm, the upstream author signs as "Daniele F." ... should I contact him/her and ask for a last name :-/ ?	12:23
crimsun	which package?	12:24
neutrinomass	I'm trying to package this : http://glsof.sourceforge.net	12:25
crimsun	yes, you should	12:25
crimsun	it's not absolutely required, of course	12:26
neutrinomass	Ok, thanks	12:26
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pochu	night :)	12:47
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Adri2000	ajmitch: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html broken	01:58
ajmitch	oh well	01:59
ajmitch	that's the problem of apt being upgraded	02:00
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ajmitch	Adri2000: how busy are you right now? :)	02:06
=== sistpoty is off to bed now
sistpoty	gn8 everyone	02:06
Adri2000	I'm merging ifplugd	02:06
Adri2000	night sistpoty	02:06
ajmitch	I noticed that launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs is rather long	02:07
Adri2000	yep, needs some cleanup	02:08
=== ajmitch won't have any time for looking at stuff until next week
Adri2000	I can try to clean it a bit, but not now (it's 2am :))	02:09
geser	what's the purpose to list open Debian bugs? without them the list would be one fifth shorter	02:09
ajmitch	geser: sorry?	02:10
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ajmitch	hey LaserJock	02:10
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ajmitch	just the person I was thinking about ;)	02:11
LaserJock	uh oh	02:11
geser	the u-u-s bug list lists nearly 20 bugs which are fixed in Ubuntu but still open in Debian	02:11
LaserJock	did anybody in here ping me before I left before?	02:11
ajmitch	geser: blame launchpad	02:11
zul_	heylo	02:11
LaserJock	geser: that's just a queue for you to go get them fixed in Debian I guess	02:12
ajmitch	LaserJock: I want to see https://beta.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs cleaned up :)	02:12
ajmitch	hi zul	02:12
LaserJock	ajmitch: in what way?	02:13
LaserJock	getting off my butt and sponsoring stuff? or a more technical way? :-)	02:13
ajmitch	checking & sponsoring	02:13
=== ajmitch is going to be fairly busy for the next few days & away for the weekend
ajmitch	so I'll try & push people to work on things now :)	02:14
LaserJock	I just spent an hour with my advisor figuring out why the stupid Fortan fitting program wasn't liking me	02:14
ajmitch	ah	02:14
ajmitch	poor chap	02:14
LaserJock	he figured it out though, so that's good	02:14
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LaserJock	well, maybe I can have a look	02:18
LaserJock	there's 37 unconfirmed or needsinfo	02:19
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LaserJock	ouch	02:19
LaserJock	bug 3393 is on the list	02:19
Ubugtu	Malone bug 3393 in sysstat "'R' report fails" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3393	02:19
ajmitch	yes, old stuff on there	02:19
ajmitch	I think we should probably do some of the trivial fixes	02:19
ajmitch	rather than waiting for people to reply & fix them	02:19
LaserJock	mhm	02:20
ajmitch	educating people is good, but getting fixes in before release is great :)	02:20
LaserJock	doing them both at the same time is awesome ;-)	02:21
ajmitch	of course	02:21
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ajmitch	and you could even write a mail to the motu list asking for volunteers to review the bug list :)	02:22
ajmitch	hi Arrogance	02:22
Arrogance	greetings ajmitch	02:23
geser	bug 57951 is a SRU candidate, it has a patch and also 16 duplicates. it only needs someone to do the SRU.	02:23
Ubugtu	Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951	02:23
ajmitch	geser: could that someone be you?	02:24
LaserJock	ok, I'll bbl, gotta get home	02:25
geser	ajmitch: I would do it but I don't have an edgy system to test	02:25
ajmitch	neither do I	02:25
jdong	pfft you guys are all wimps	02:28
=== jdong gets patch
jdong	god finding the patch amongst the stupid crash reports	02:29
jdong	ajmitch: is the patch just that one --disable-dbus basically?	02:29
jdong	http://librarian.launchpad.net/5374594/changes.diff	02:29
jdong	?	02:29
ajmitch	probably	02:29
ajmitch	and insulting us all doesn't really help much	02:30
jdong	ajmitch: I was joking.	02:30
=== jdong wonders how disabling features passes as a SRU-worthy fix
jdong	oh well, not my problem	02:31
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jdong_	buenos nachos	02:34
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jdong_	ajmitch: 5 starts and no apport files in /var/crash....	02:36
ajmitch	that's nice	02:36
jdong	I'd call it good	02:36
jdong	tha'ts nice in the "Yeah whatever go DIAF" way?	02:36
ajmitch	pretty much, it's not a bug I care about, as long as someone's taking care of it	02:37
ajmitch	I'm not in the sru team, so I won't be approving it or need to look at it	02:37
jdong	ok, I've done my share of guinea pigging tonight.	02:38
jdong	tomorrow.... ugh backports testing party	02:38
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bddebian	Heya gang	03:18
ajmitch	hello	03:19
bddebian	Hi ajmitch	03:19
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theCore	hi LaserJock	03:28
LaserJock	hi	03:29
bddebian	Heya LaserJock	03:29
LaserJock	hi bddebian	03:30
ajmitch	hi LaserJock	03:31
LaserJock	hi ajmitch, I'm back	03:32
ajmitch	LaserJock: I noticed!	03:33
LaserJock	;-)	03:33
ajmitch	oh great	03:33
ajmitch	bugs being filed about ubuntu ultimate edition	03:34
jdong	I bet Ultimate edition has working Xgl and non-crashing xchat	03:34
jdong	and a pony.	03:34
LaserJock	I have a non-crashing xchat	03:35
LaserJock	but I have no idea about Xgl	03:35
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bddebian	heh	03:35
jdong	Xgl will work once again soon	03:37
jdong	muahahaha	03:37
jdong	muahahaha	03:37
jdong	muacoughcoughhackcough*	03:37
=== LaserJock couldn't care less
LaserJock	oops, did I say that out loud? ;-)	03:37
zul	I thought you had left	03:39
LaserJock	I'm back!	03:39
LaserJock	grabed some Jack in the Box and now I'm at home watching the Simpsons	03:39
theCore	by the way, is it normal that Compiz seems broken?	03:40
LaserJock	I think so	03:41
LaserJock	:-)	03:41
theCore	for example, the 4 dimensional cube and the ghost applications	03:41
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theCore	4 dimensional cube = 4 virtual desks * 4 cube's sides	03:42
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theCore	er, 6 cube's sides	03:43
theCore	for a grand total of 16 usable desktops	03:43
theCore	yay!	03:43
=== Hobbsee waves
theCore	Hi Hobbsee	03:45
jdong	wave... d^2 f / dx^2 = a^2 d^2 f/dt^2	03:45
jdong	right?	03:45
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theCore	sin x?	03:46
theCore	fancy calculus...	03:46
jdong	theCore: not necessarily sin, though sin/cos fulfill the property a lot :)	03:47
Fujitsu_	Anybody here know who I poke to get app-install-data for a package of mine updated?	03:47
jdong	theCore: you can get wave eq's from anything... like f(x,t)= (x+at)^3	03:48
theCore	jdong: ah, well.	03:48
theCore	maybe next year, I will have some headaches because of this	03:49
theCore	(I plan my headaches in advance)	03:49
jdong	theCore: come to #ubuntuforums and say #headon	03:51
jdong	:)	03:51
theCore	side note: am I acing -- 94% -- my Calculus course, right now, thanks to Wikipedia and a lot of free time :P	03:52
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theCore	jdong: can I ask why?	03:52
jdong	theCore: you'll see... you'll get the joke if live in the US	03:53
theCore	nah, I'm just a Canadian caveman	03:54
bddebian	haha "Apply directly to the forehead"	03:54
jdong	bddebian: lol we have a bot in 3ubuntuofurms that does that	03:54
jdong	and it has #shesaid too	03:54
jdong	for Michael Scott jokes.	03:54
fernando	hey motus	03:55
bddebian	Hello fernando	03:55
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theCore	It feels good to be back on my Ubuntu machine	04:05
theCore	I been stuck in the Windows world, most of this month	04:05
theCore	that includes VB.NET programming (ugh) and Vista	04:06
Hobbsee	ugh	04:06
theCore	at least, for us, Vista sucks	04:06
theCore	the only cool thing is the Data Execution Prevention thingy	04:07
theCore	except it's disabled by default...	04:07
jdong	theCore: I like C# / mono :(	04:08
theCore	jdong: I like C#, too	04:09
jdong	theCore: from what I can see VB.Net is like identical to C# but different syntax	04:09
jdong	I mean, all the .NET langs are more or less feature-equivalent	04:09
jdong	(read: big improvement over VB6)	04:09
theCore	jdong: well, it's the same under-pinning API	04:09
jdong	right	04:10
theCore	jdong: it's just a syntax, for the most part	04:10
jdong	yeah	04:10
theCore	syntax change*	04:10
jdong	I think C# supports a bit more language features though	04:10
jdong	like generics type of stuff	04:10
theCore	does C# supports continuations yet?	04:11
jdong	theCore: I know C# 2.0 in .NET does	04:12
jdong	I'm not sure the status on Mono?	04:12
jdong	I'd expect so?	04:12
theCore	maybe, I don't know	04:13
theCore	I am starting to like this language feature	04:13
theCore	a supercharged goto :P	04:13
jdong	theCore: yeah, generators as they're called in Python...	04:14
jdong	very handy :)	04:14
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theCore	dh_install	04:17
theCore	cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/': No such file or directory	04:17
theCore	what a lovely error message...	04:17
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theCore	ha ah!	04:29
theCore	I forgot to remove /debian/tmp/etc from debian/xchat.install	04:30
theCore	I am starting to fear updating my Emacs XFT package	04:38
theCore	I get about 13000 APT-HTTP requests per day	04:39
LaserJock	wow	04:39
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Fujitsu_	Wow!	04:40
LaserJock	why aren't you're packages in Debian?	04:40
=== ajmitch is glad he doesn't host any packages
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: Because they're so obscure that nobody would use them if they were there, of course.	04:40
LaserJock	Fujitsu_: did you see your +packages bug got a high priority	04:40
theCore	LaserJock: well, it is somehow in Debian	04:40
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: I did. I was impressed.	04:40
LaserJock	well, I told kiko to do it, so I was hoping	04:41
Fujitsu_	Good, good.	04:41
Fujitsu_	static unblocked that IP, which is also good.	04:41
theCore	Average data transferred per day: 1.18 gigabytes (989.01 megabytes) -- glup	04:41
LaserJock	yeah, I also mentioned that to kiko ;-)	04:42
LaserJock	theCore: I don't understand why the Debian packages don't have that font stuff already	04:42
theCore	LaserJock: because they use the main cvs branch	04:42
LaserJock	Fujitsu_: kiko was really suprised. I might have been a little cranky about it	04:42
LaserJock	theCore: so crappy fonts are in the main cvs?	04:42
theCore	LaserJock: I use the emacs-unicode-2 branch which include the Unicode support and the cool fonts	04:43
theCore	LaserJock: yep	04:43
LaserJock	Fujitsu_: I found out some stuff about +bugs-text	04:44
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: Anything useful?	04:44
LaserJock	Fujitsu_: you can do any old +bugs search and add -text to get the plain text	04:44
theCore	ok, I got the fixed Xchat for Edgy	04:44
LaserJock	Fujitsu_: so search for only open bugs in MOTU Science then add -text	04:44
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: Since when? I filed a bug on that a few months back.	04:45
LaserJock	it works now	04:45
Fujitsu_	Ah.	04:45
LaserJock	kiko showed me	04:45
Fujitsu_	OK.	04:45
Fujitsu_	That's good.	04:45
LaserJock	yeah	04:45
LaserJock	how many MOTUs are present right now?	04:47
Fujitsu_	Not many.	04:48
=== Toadstool waves
Fujitsu_	Hey Toadstool.	04:48
LaserJock	imbrandon: around?	04:48
Toadstool	hi Fujitsu_	04:48
LaserJock	bddebian?	04:48
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Fujitsu_	LaserJock: Why do you want everyone?	04:48
LaserJock	we'll take it	04:48
Fujitsu_	Hail bddebian.	04:48
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bddebian	Heya Fujitsu_	04:49
=== Fujitsu_ has to live in a few minutes.
Fujitsu_	*leave	04:49
LaserJock	ok, we've got 37 Unconfirmed and Needs-Info bugs for u-u-s	04:50
Fujitsu_	Review time?	04:50
LaserJock	I want you all to get at least half processed today	04:50
Toadstool	yay!	04:50
LaserJock	if you see other MOTUs let'm know	04:50
LaserJock	we need to get those buggers done	04:50
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Hobbsee	erk, reading the rest, 'm not here :P	04:51
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: Add something to the topic, perhaps?	04:51
ajmitch	Hobbsee: thanks for volunteering, oh super-MOTU ;)	04:51
=== Hobbsee is not super-MOTU
ajmitch	Fujitsu_: we intended to send a mail to the list instead	04:51
bddebian	LaserJock: That leave me an hour? :-)	04:52
Fujitsu_	ajmitch: Also a good idea.	04:52
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LaserJock	bddebian: 24hrs	04:52
ajmitch	Fujitsu_: also trying to send something nice "Please do some work" to inactive MOTUs :)	04:53
ajmitch	if possible	04:53
Fujitsu_	LaserJock: 15 of them are Debian-only bugs.	04:53
LaserJock	then we gotta get all of them done in 24hrs	04:53
=== Fujitsu_ headdesks.
ajmitch	LaserJock: thanks for doing this :)	04:53
Fujitsu_	How's the checking of inactive members of motu going?	04:53
ajmitch	Fujitsu_: with a few people it'll be easy	04:53
ajmitch	it's not	04:53
LaserJock	lets get this busted out people!!	04:53
Toadstool	hmm... what do we do with the .desktop only patches?	04:54
Fujitsu_	OK, I've got to go.	04:54
Toadstool	-the	04:54
Fujitsu_	Toadstool: Apply them! Forward them to Debian! Rejoice!	04:54
LaserJock	exactly	04:54
Toadstool	ok	04:54
bddebian	What constitutes "inactive" anyway? I've been meaning to ask that	04:54
ajmitch	though contacting inactive MOTUs was something I signed up for at the MC meeting	04:54
ajmitch	bddebian: whatever we feel like, we really just want to get more people back & involved	04:55
LaserJock	yeah, it's not about kicking people out	04:55
LaserJock	just kicking them into activity ;-)	04:55
bddebian	Agreed, I was just wondering how you were determining if someone was "inactive"?	04:55
ajmitch	bddebian: as I said, whatever we feel like	04:55
bddebian	Uploads, bug update, what?	04:55
ajmitch	we'll run through the list, see if they've been around in the last few months, if not, politely send them a message	04:55
bddebian	Ah	04:56
ajmitch	eg there are some MOTUs I met at UDS, who just are too busy	04:56
ajmitch	(working for google)	04:56
theCore	I wonder if I could be accepted as a MOTU ...	05:00
theCore	(yeah, I know, keep working...)	05:00
LaserJock	you just need some more Universe work I think	05:01
LaserJock	and speaking of that	05:01
LaserJock	...	05:01
theCore	here xchat: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4534	05:02
bddebian	ajmitch: I work, what's my excuse? :)	05:02
LaserJock	theCore: we've got a list of RC bugs that have been fixed in Debian since the current Ubuntu version	05:03
Toadstool	is it me or all the .desktop patches have already been applied/forwarded to Debian by crimsun?	05:03
LaserJock	theCore: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html	05:03
LaserJock	Toadstool: make sure you aren't looking at Debian tasks	05:03
Toadstool	I am not	05:04
LaserJock	k	05:04
LaserJock	it could be we just need cleanup	05:04
Toadstool	well the Debian task is still valid	05:04
theCore	LaserJock: thanks	05:05
theCore	okay, now I need a debdiff...	05:07
theCore	hmm... debdiff xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu3.dsc xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu4.dsc \| diffstat	05:09
theCore	71 files changed, 5748 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)	05:09
theCore	I am working very hard :P	05:10
LaserJock	yikes	05:10
theCore	nah, I should say automake is working hard	05:10
Toadstool	oh wow	05:11
=== Hobbsee does one
Toadstool	theCore: how about trying to keep the debdiff as little as possible? ;)	05:11
theCore	Toadstool: yeah, I am trying to find a way...	05:12
theCore	but building Edgy packages on Feisty is not optimal, even with a Edgy pbuilder's basetgz	05:13
Hobbsee	gah. can i just reject https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/45852 as they need a MIR report, and we dont have cd space?	05:15
Ubugtu	Malone bug 45852 in Baltix "Default Ubuntu desktop can't play midi files (not Kubuntu)" [Medium,Confirmed]	05:15
Hobbsee	at this point, i'ts not a u-u-s bug anyway	05:15
=== Hobbsee unsubscribes u-u-s as a start
LaserJock	yes	05:16
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Hobbsee	done :	05:18
Hobbsee	)	05:18
Toadstool	2 syncs ack'd, yay...	05:18
=== bddebian bows to Hobbsee :)
ajmitch	LaserJock: excellent, our plan is working... ;)	05:19
=== Hobbsee does kchmviewer as well
Hobbsee	presumably we can do new versions of software if they've been filed before the freeze?	05:20
LaserJock	go MOTUs go!!!	05:20
LaserJock	probably not actually	05:20
Toadstool	you manipulative MOTU Council #@"%! :)	05:20
theCore	I don't get it... why the .Po files are changing, they aren't even in the diff.gz	05:20
ajmitch	Hobbsee: well, I'm not sure	05:21
Hobbsee	ajmitch: they did that for the sync requests	05:21
=== Hobbsee wonders if it can be on an "as it feels right" basis
ajmitch	Hobbsee: I'd go for the "as it feels right"	05:21
Hobbsee	right	05:21
ajmitch	for sync requests it's different	05:21
ajmitch	since this is stuff we're reviewing	05:22
Hobbsee	yep	05:22
Hobbsee	right, that's done too.	05:26
ajmitch	great	05:28
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=== ajmitch can see the list shrinking already
Toadstool	i'm taking care of nttcp	05:28
ajmitch	sync request?	05:28
Toadstool	nope merge	05:28
ajmitch	ah right	05:28
ajmitch	yeah, I forgot that one	05:28
ajmitch	it was mistakenly assigned to motu-uvf	05:29
=== ajmitch watches firefox seize up
theCore	Lathiat: hehe, it's a Windows' cd-key :P	05:30
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Lathiat	theCore: ya i know, thats why i was laughing ;)	05:31
theCore	Lathiat: well, then we are two :)	05:31
theCore	there's really a Wikipedia's article for everything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCKGW	05:33
Toadstool	alright, nttcp done	05:34
Toadstool	uh only 31 remaining in the list? awesome :)	05:34
bddebian	I'm looking at rutilt atm	05:35
theCore	debdiff xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu3.dsc xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu4.dsc \| diffstat	05:35
theCore	4 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)	05:35
theCore	yay!	05:35
Toadstool	that's a lot better ;)	05:35
bddebian	OK rutilt is broken	05:38
Toadstool	fix it! :)	05:39
bddebian	I'm trying but I'm dumb :-(	05:43
Toadstool	oh come on, you know you're not	05:43
bddebian	Nope, it's true :'-(	05:44
theCore	should I subscribe motu-sru to bug 57951?	05:50
Ubugtu	Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951	05:50
theCore	(xchat)	05:51
ajmitch	gah	05:51
Toadstool	Looking at backstep right now	05:51
ajmitch	I get home & there's about 20 old crappy (pentium) boxes in the living room	05:52
Toadstool	heh	05:52
Lathiat	what on earth are they for :P	05:52
Lathiat	housemate salvaged them for you thinking they might be usefull? :P	05:52
ajmitch	Lathiat: my flatmate plans to use them somehow	05:52
Lathiat	you can run more avahi scalability tests for me	05:52
ajmitch	not for me, I wouldn't use them	05:52
ajmitch	haha	05:52
Lathiat	apparently 80 UMLs don't like being schedule ALL AT ONCE	05:52
Lathiat	on a dual 2.5ghz machine	05:52
ajmitch	upgrade	05:52
ajmitch	theCore: following the universe SRU process?	05:53
Lathiat	i wonder if xen would be more effecient	05:53
ajmitch	xen doesn't share memory like UML can	05:53
ajmitch	theCore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU	05:54
Lathiat	share memory in what way?	05:56
Lathiat	oh	05:56
Lathiat	i know what you mean	05:56
Lathiat	true that	05:56
Lathiat	running 16M umls used far less memory that i thought..	05:56
ajmitch	yes	05:56
Lathiat	80 UMLs were using <500M of ram	05:56
ajmitch	xen allocates physical RAM	05:56
Lathiat	but if i boot it with any less than 16M of ram they wont boot	05:56
Lathiat	nod	05:56
Lathiat	but i wonder if cpu effeciency would be better	05:56
Lathiat	/network io	05:56
ajmitch	should be	05:56
ajmitch	but UML+KVM should improve that a lot	05:57
ajmitch	less syscall trapping	05:57
bddebian	Toadstool: So, you and Hobbsee finish them all already?	06:02
Lathiat	yeh didnt have a VT capable machine	06:03
Hobbsee	bddebian: no. keep going.	06:03
Lathiat	for KVM	06:03
Toadstool	bddebian: er, dunno. I'm sure there are a few more left	06:04
LaserJock	go go go!	06:08
=== ajmitch cracks the whip
bddebian	Should I do 67260 or leave it?	06:10
LaserJock	bug #67260	06:10
Ubugtu	Malone bug 67260 in transcriber "transcriber does not have Menu entry in gnome" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67260	06:10
bddebian	Vassilis filed it in Debian too	06:11
LaserJock	"I'll forward this to Debian as well, so don't subscribe universe-sponsors just yet."	06:11
bddebian	Yeah, well obviously we were subscribed :-)	06:12
LaserJock	is there anything in Debian yet?	06:13
Toadstool	uhuh, got to go, my girlfriend is getting really angry, I don't want her to throw my laptop away :)	06:13
LaserJock	np	06:13
Toadstool	see you tommorow	06:13
LaserJock	thanks a ton Toadstool	06:13
ajmitch	bye Toadstool :)	06:13
Hobbsee	ajmitch: i thought that was my job	06:14
=== Fujitsu returns.
Hobbsee	yay, Fujitsu's back. now go fix those bugs!	06:15
ajmitch	Hobbsee: sorry ma'am	06:15
=== ajmitch returns to his rock
=== Fujitsu attacks some debdiffs.
Hobbsee	ajmitch: return to bugfixing. go on!	06:16
=== Hobbsee uncovers the rock, and cracks the whip at ajmitch
=== Fujitsu explodes the rock.
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bddebian	LaserJock: No, not in Debian yet	06:21
LaserJock	I'd go for ith then maybe	06:22
LaserJock	we're a bit late to wait for Debian to do it then sync	06:22
bddebian	ok	06:23
ajmitch	LaserJock: there are a lot more ubuntu bugs with patches attached than those that have u-u-s subscribed	06:24
LaserJock	yeah	06:25
ajmitch	so I guess bddebian still has a few to work on	06:25
LaserJock	well, we gotta have something for tomorrow	06:25
LaserJock	;-)	06:25
ajmitch	bddebian will have done them by then	06:25
ajmitch	1 - 50 of 277 results	06:25
ajmitch	think he can get through those? :)	06:25
ajmitch	that includes all SRUs in -proposed which are fix committed	06:26
LaserJock	yikes	06:27
ajmitch	lots of patches which don't help much	06:28
LaserJock	well, we need to weed them out anyway :-)	06:28
ajmitch	yep	06:30
bddebian	ajmitch: Nah, I'm waaay behind on the bug stuff this cycle :-(	06:33
ajmitch	now is a good time to catch up	06:34
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bddebian	Gah, stupid Debian tags	06:37
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theCore	ah done. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951	06:42
Ubugtu	Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]	06:42
theCore	now, I just have to wait	06:43
theCore	good night all	06:43
bddebian	Gnight thec... grr	06:44
=== Fujitsu hits Hobbsee with a check-that-the-.desktop-is-actually-installed-before-closing-the-bug stick.
Hobbsee	Fujitsu: which one?	06:49
=== Hobbsee didnt even upload that one.
Fujitsu	Bug #42622.	06:49
Ubugtu	Malone bug 42622 in drscheme "Missing .desktop file" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42622	06:49
Hobbsee	ah	06:49
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bddebian	Gah 1am, gnight folks	06:58
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imbrandon	hum anyone have access to a box with IE7 on it ?	07:23
=== LaserJock shields his eyes
imbrandon	heh	07:26
Hobbsee	only if i reboot	07:26
imbrandon	i just wanted soemone to check www.ubuntuwire.com , someone emailed me and said it pukes in ie7 and i have no boxen with ie7	07:26
imbrandon	but ie6 and ff seems fine	07:26
imbrandon	hell its 99% text dont see how it would puke but oh well ;)	07:27
LaserJock	imbrandon: is that a bad thing?	07:27
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imbrandon	hahah well kinda, but not one i'm real real worried about	07:28
imbrandon	;)	07:28
LaserJock	well, I think I have IE7 installed	07:31
LaserJock	I booted into Windows the other day	07:31
LaserJock	and it did the "We require proof that this is a real copy of Windows ... and your firstborn"	07:32
LaserJock	and then it was like "We notice you are dual booting Ubuntu on this machine ... can we have a copy?"	07:32
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imbrandon	hahahaha	07:41
imbrandon	classic	07:41
imbrandon	LaserJock, windows on the MBP or another box?	07:42
imbrandon	heh	07:42
LaserJock	MBP?	07:43
imbrandon	mac book pro	07:43
LaserJock	no, I don't have a mac book pro	07:43
LaserJock	just an iMac at work	07:44
imbrandon	ahh	07:44
LaserJock	this is a toshiba	07:44
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Fujitsu	imbrandon: Wouldn't it make sense to deliberate block IE users?	08:01
Fujitsu	*deliberately	08:01
imbrandon	Fujitsu, nah i dont wanna block anyone, if a windows user wants to promote ubuntu , let them	08:02
imbrandon	they might dual boot etc	08:02
imbrandon	;)	08:02
imbrandon	i do need to add a capacha though to the signup, although it hasent been abused yet, dosent mean it wont	08:03
LaserJock	imbrandon: any reasonable person will still be using FF on Windows ;-)	08:04
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imbrandon	;)	08:26
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dholbach	good morning	09:33
LaserJock	hi dholbach	09:33
dholbach	hiya LaserJock	09:34
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imbrandon	moins dholbach	09:51
dholbach	hey imbrandon	09:51
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ajmitch	hey dholbach	09:57
LaserJock	ajmitch: you're still around?	09:59
dholbach	hey ajmitch	09:59
ajmitch	LaserJock: sure, just been out with friends :)	09:59
LaserJock	ah	10:00
=== ajmitch doesn't run away from the computer until tomorrow evening
ajmitch	but I have work tomorrow	10:00
LaserJock	well, I'm not sure how we did with the u-u-s charge	10:00
ajmitch	fairly well	10:00
LaserJock	I think we got rid of quite a few	10:00
LaserJock	it's just a bit hard to tell	10:00
ajmitch	from 37 unconfirmed/needs info down to 30	10:00
LaserJock	and most of those are Debian tasks	10:00
ajmitch	it was down at 27 before, I guess a few were added	10:01
ajmitch	yeah	10:01
ajmitch	but the big amount of work will be going through the bugs with patches attached	10:01
ajmitch	easy to search for those in malone (select universe, multiverse, with patches attached)	10:01
LaserJock	how many were there again?	10:01
ajmitch	>270, but there's a lot of duplication	10:02
ajmitch	1 bug with 4 patches shows up 4 times	10:02
ajmitch	plus that's all the fix committed SRU work	10:02
ajmitch	you want to mail the list about these bug lists?	10:02
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Ademan	is there an itp for http://spring.clan-sy.com ?	10:04
ajmitch	check the PackageCandidates page on the wiki (iirc)	10:05
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Ademan	thanks	10:05
Ademan	looks as though it makes use of non-free artwork (with GPLed alternatives)	10:06
Ademan	may not be as impressive as i had hoped with the "crappy" artwork	10:07
LaserJock	ajmitch: maybe a MOTU Bug Sprint would be helpful?	10:08
ajmitch	we don't use ITPs as such, PackageCandidates is more for reqeusts from users	10:08
ajmitch	LaserJock: certainly	10:08
Ademan	ah, well either way it's in package candidates	10:09
Ademan	but it's far past my bedtime, got 4 hours of sleep last night, gnight all	10:09
ajmitch	heh ok	10:09
LaserJock	hmm, so can I ask for MC decisions on something via email?	10:11
ajmitch	sure, why not?	10:12
ajmitch	we're not bound to irc	10:12
ajmitch	of course there's no MC list yet, but you know our addresses, or could ask on the motu list :)	10:12
\sh	moins	10:14
LaserJock	well, if we decided on a tag to use there's no reason why we can't start using it for package requests	10:14
ajmitch	hey \sh	10:14
ajmitch	sure	10:14
LaserJock	I think it'll be another month or so before we get the cool tag preloading	10:15
ajmitch	or more	10:15
ajmitch	I don't know how long it may take to roll out the new UI	10:16
LaserJock	RSN	10:16
ajmitch	they were discussing 1.0 being ready by december 2005, iirc ;)	10:16
LaserJock	of course	10:17
imbrandon	heh	10:17
LaserJock	it's a race between LP 1.0 and Etch	10:17
ajmitch	hehe	10:17
imbrandon	LaserJock, LOL	10:17
ajmitch	they're much closer now	10:17
ajmitch	& have a clearer picture of what they need to do	10:17
LaserJock	which one?	10:17
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ajmitch	LP	10:23
ajmitch	etch is just bug fixing :)	10:24
imbrandon	etch == 2010	10:24
Lathiat	haha	10:24
LaserJock	I swear they have enough characters	10:24
LaserJock	they don't need to drag it out this long ;-)	10:24
imbrandon	lol	10:25
LaserJock	anybody know how to "go back in time" with SVN?	10:26
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poningru_	lol	10:27
imbrandon	svn --oops 12-3-2006	10:27
imbrandon	just kidding	10:27
ajmitch	haha	10:28
ajmitch	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.vote/11493	10:28
ajmitch	DPL election time	10:28
imbrandon	lol	10:29
imbrandon	almost as if he is kin to crimsun ;)	10:29
LaserJock	lol	10:30
LaserJock	"Every time you ask for a pony, a kitten commits suicide. :-) I'll give you a klingon translated Debian Operating Systems book and that's enough, isn't it?"	10:30
imbrandon	I know I'm not going to understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the root, and still be afraid of a spider.	10:31
LaserJock	I don't know dude	10:32
LaserJock	spiders are creepy	10:32
imbrandon	lol	10:32
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shawarma	imbrandon, LaserJock: That bit of conversation is going on bash.org for sure!	10:43
LaserJock	;-)	10:44
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imbrandon	lol	10:46
shawarma	Gah... bash.org: 19753 quotes approved; 7247 quotes pending... It's gonna take forever!	10:50
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ajmitch	hi herzi	11:41
herzi	hey ajmitch	11:43
ajmitch	how are you?	11:43
ajmitch	haven't seen you round for awhile	11:44
herzi	fine, quite busy	11:44
ajmitch	:)	11:44
=== ajmitch was going to ping you recently about joining pkg-fedora-ds - is that team active at all?
ajmitch	I've been doing some work recently on FDS, mainly libraries needed for it	11:44
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herzi	not active yet, just because noone had time to really start with it	11:59
ajmitch	ok	12:00
=== ajmitch has gotten started, at least
ajmitch	so I don't want to duplicate efforts, been talking with richm who was trying to convert some .spec files	12:01
=== Fujitsu wonders why the maintainer of these new Edgy binary-only uploads (can Soyuz handle them nowadays?) has been mangled to the name of the buildd...
shawarma	Fujitsu: Binary-only uploads? wtF?	12:08
Fujitsu	shawarma, that's what I thought.	12:09
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Fujitsu	Binary-only uploads signed and maintained by the buildd... How odd.	12:12
shawarma	Fujitsu: Where do you see them=	12:13
shawarma	?	12:13
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Fujitsu	shawarma: edgy-changes	12:13
shawarma	Fujitsu: Oh, of course. I'm only subscribed to feisty-changes.	12:14
Fujitsu	That'd do it.	12:14
shawarma	It's not in the mailing list archive yet. Odd.	12:15
Fujitsu	`Accepted slocate 3.1-1ubuntu0.1 (ia64)'	12:16
Fujitsu	Files:	12:16
Fujitsu	9a7a0d2ef7ce95d5d633432886fde122 38704 utils extra slocate_3.1-1ubuntu0.1_ia64.deb	12:16
StevenK	Fujitsu: Normal.	12:17
Fujitsu	Since when does Soyuz allow that?	12:17
Fujitsu	I've not seen it before...	12:17
StevenK	Fujitsu: Except that the distribution should be autobuild, not edgy	12:17
Fujitsu	StevenK, why?	12:17
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ajmitch	StevenK: uploaded dbmail?	12:17
StevenK	ajmitch: It's a sync	12:18
ajmitch	even better	12:18
=== ajmitch can sleep now :)
Fujitsu	Night, ajmitch.	12:18
StevenK	ajmitch: Do I subscribe ubuntu-archive myself?	12:18
ajmitch	sure	12:18
StevenK	Right.	12:18
StevenK	ajmitch: Sleep well	12:18
imbrandon	gnight ajmitch	12:19
=== Fujitsu wonders aloud why drscheme FTBFS on the i386 and amd64 buildds, but works here and on another machine, and on the powerpc and sparc buildds.
StevenK	dh_gencontrol -pdrscheme	12:24
StevenK	du: `./usr/share/plt/doc/doc-license.txt': Not a directory	12:24
StevenK	dpkg-gencontrol: failure: du in `debian/drscheme' gave error exit status 1	12:24
StevenK	..... Interesting.	12:24
Fujitsu	Yep.	12:25
Fujitsu	Exactly.	12:25
Fujitsu	Works fine here, but not on x86 buildds.	12:25
=== Fujitsu decides that it's the fault of the buildds.
StevenK	Fujitsu: Beg infinity? Maybe bribe him since you live close-ish? :-)	12:26
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Fujitsu	I was thinking more along the lines of the former.	12:27
Fujitsu	Gah, I would have at least thought that it would be nice and fail on the obscure architectures...	12:27
StevenK	Well, it is cheaper.	12:27
StevenK	I love it when the uploader builds it sucessfully, uploads it and it only builds on one of the buildds.	12:28
StevenK	I've seen that in Debian.	12:28
Fujitsu	I've done that once. But it failed on the architectures I /didn't/ test.	12:28
StevenK	Mmmmm. What did you do to piss Murphy off?	12:29
Fujitsu	Something big, apparently.	12:29
StevenK	Heh. :-P	12:29
Fujitsu	Hm, doesn't that error imply that usr/share/plt/doc is a normal file?	12:30
white	Fujitsu: did you build with fakeroot or as root?	12:30
StevenK	Fujitsu: ... maybe	12:30
geser	StevenK: xmms2 is even better: it builds in pbuilder and Debian buildds but not on Ubuntu ones	12:30
Fujitsu	white, fakeroot.	12:30
StevenK	Fujitsu: You need to reproduce it first.	12:30
white	Fujitsu: i am not quite sure if i remember right, but i guess there was a problem with it on alpha and if i built it as root it worked, not with fakeroot as a normal user though	12:30
Fujitsu	It takes like 25 minutes to build, so I'll look at it tomorrow.	12:31
StevenK	geser: It doesn't count if it doesn't build on any of them. Half a point. :-P	12:31
StevenK	This whole school night thing.	12:31
Fujitsu	white, I might expect something similar on uncommon architectures.	12:31
StevenK	Fujitsu: How many times have you been told to go to bed?	12:31
StevenK	:-P	12:31
=== Fujitsu attacks StevenK with a stupid i386 buildd.
Fujitsu	A few now.	12:31
=== StevenK ducks
=== Fujitsu throws the amd64 one at his parents.
StevenK	Heh	12:31
geser	StevenK: does uploading to get hints why it fails on the buildds count?	12:32
=== StevenK ponders putting on the cough hack respected computer professional voice and telling Fujitsu's parents that he's a good guy.
StevenK	geser: Bwahaha	12:32
Fujitsu	geser: Hahah.	12:33
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StevenK	Although saying I'm a "respected computer professional	12:33
StevenK	" on the phone and then coughing a lot because I don't believe myself won't help. :-P	12:34
Fujitsu	Probably not	12:34
StevenK	Fujitsu: :-)	12:34
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StevenK	Fujitsu: Aren't you supposed to be in bed?	12:43
Fujitsu	Probably.	12:43
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Fujitsu	I can't exactly attack you from here, StevenK.	12:43
Fujitsu	And I already got rid of the buildds before, so you're safe.	12:43
StevenK	Heh	12:43
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Fujitsu	Building here:	12:51
StevenK	Fujitsu: Now you have to share.	12:51
Fujitsu	dh_compress -pdrscheme	12:51
Fujitsu	gzip: usr/share/man/man1/drscheme.1 is a directory -- ignored	12:51
Fujitsu	dh_compress: command returned error code 512	12:51
Fujitsu	make: *** [binary-fixup/drscheme] Error 1	12:51
StevenK	Bwahaha	12:51
Fujitsu	Does this i386 build have some directory-file duality?	12:51
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fernando	moin all	12:55
Fujitsu	Stupid drscheme. debuild works. pbuilder works. dpkg-buildpackage is currently in progress...	01:14
Hobbsee	why are you touching drscheme anyway?	01:14
Fujitsu	I was fixing up the .desktop patch.	01:14
Hobbsee	ah	01:15
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Fujitsu	Anybody got any ideas on how to troubleshoot this build now that it builds using every conceivable method on this machine?	01:27
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geser	Fujitsu: add some output that helps you to find the problem and re-upload?	01:51
Fujitsu	geser, it turns out it's pkg-create-dbgsyms killing it.	01:51
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tbf	ok, joineded the contributors group... so I am asking the REVU admins here to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring... ;-)	02:29
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enry	hi. i have a question!	02:32
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Ursinha	oh... he's gone	02:34
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\sh	wow...my oracle client package 10.2.0 works on dapper without any problems...cool	02:36
enry	excuse me.	02:36
enry	i have a problem with creative sb live: only 2 channels are recognized, i have read that probably the problem is driver alsa included in kernel	02:37
enry	will this problem be fixed? how can i solve?	02:37
tbf	ok, my package hangs arround in ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ now. lets see what happens.	02:39
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enry	nobody knows if the problem will be fixed?	02:45
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crimsun	lifeless: retested that apport "issue" with -i810 and -i810-modesetting; turned out to be a red herring. The issues were caused by pulseaudio+esound bad interaction. Have a workaround in place.	03:45
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bddebian	Heya gang	03:57
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zul	hah	04:17
zul	http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2007/02/28/linux-the-official-os-of-the-axis-of-evil.aspx	04:17
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\sh	zul: lol	04:24
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infinito	can anyone point me where to find the python recommended packaging policy?	04:42
bddebian	http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ	04:43
infinito	bddebian: thanks	04:44
bddebian	NP	04:45
infinito	should i ise pycentral or pysupport?	04:48
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bddebian	infinito: I think many are using pycentral these days but I'm not sure what our "policy" about it is	04:52
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infinito	ok	04:54
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giftnudel	infinito: funny enough, I asked the same things yesterday ;)	05:08
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sacater	Adri2000: okay im back...... i have changed the TEA package name and tested it on my system, it works great	05:10
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infinito	is it possible to get packages on universe before feisty?	05:25
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siretart	dholbach: re bug #88837, did you forget to put it on 'confirmed' or is something left?	06:00
Ubugtu	Malone bug 88837 in soundconverter "UVF exception: soundconverter 0.9.3 -> 0.9.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88837	06:00
dholbach	siretart: i think only one person gave the +1, no?	06:01
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dholbach	siretart: yes, only one +1, needs two	06:01
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siretart	dholbach: argl. I misread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess that only one +1 was needed. :/	06:02
dholbach	ok, np :)	06:02
siretart	dholbach: what's the correct quorum? 2 or 3 persons?	06:02
dholbach	it needs +2 :)	06:03
siretart	k	06:03
bddebian	siretart: Me too ;-)	06:03
Toadstool	g'morning everybody!	06:04
siretart	huhu bddebian	06:04
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bddebian	Heya Toadstool, siretart, dholbach :-)	06:08
dholbach	hi bddebian	06:08
Toadstool	hi bddebian	06:08
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\sh	guys, if you are a python crack, please tell me something: is it possible to send python objects via tcp, just like java does? if so, is there any tutorial on this? :)	06:15
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sacater	Adri2000: you here?	06:17
Adri2000	yes	06:17
Toadstool	\sh: maybe using pickle	06:17
sacater	Adri2000: i finished the TEA package, with proper package names i think, i uploaded it to 01welp.co.uk/~sacater/MOTU/finished	06:18
sacater	Adri2000: http://01welp.co.uk/~sacater/MOTU/finished/	06:19
Adri2000	sacater: I don't care about the binaries, they are built on the buildds. I need the debdiff, diff between the sources packages.	06:19
\sh	Toadstool: will have a look :)	06:20
sacater	Adri2000: okie	06:20
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sacater	s	06:20
sacater	Adri2000: .dsc right?	06:21
Toadstool	\sh: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-pickle.html	06:22
Adri2000	sacater: debdiff original.dsc your.dsc	06:22
sacater	Adri2000: kk	06:22
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sacater	!paste \| sacater	06:22
sacater	whats the paste site	06:22
Adri2000	paste.ubuntu-nl.org	06:23
lionel	sacater: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/	06:23
sacater	lionel: ty	06:23
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sacater	Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8102/	06:24
Adri2000	it should be debdiff tea_14.2.4-2.dsc tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1.dsc	06:26
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siretart	anyone in here knows about project using 'cook'? http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/software/cook/	06:27
sacater	Adri2000: so i have the package names messed up	06:27
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Adri2000	sacater: maybe it would be easier to restart at the beginning	06:28
sacater	Adri2000: what should the ubuntu package be called	06:29
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Adri2000	sacater: download the feisty source package of tea in feisty (14.2.4-2), add your .desktop file in debian/ and edit the .install file, dch -i, write the changelog entry, set the version to 14.2.4-2ubuntu1 and the distro to feisty (NOT unstable), then debuild -S, that will create the new source package, debdiff the two .dsc	06:31
sacater	Adri2000: okay.... isnt it meant to be debuild -S -sa?	06:31
Adri2000	debdiff tea_14.2.4-2.dsc tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1.dsc > debdiff and upload/paste the file called debdiff somewhere	06:32
sacater	Adri2000: how do i change the version name to feity	06:33
sacater	feisty*	06:33
Adri2000	sacater: -sa means that you want to upload the tarball too, here you only change things in the packaging, it's not a new upstream version. anyway it won't change anything for you since you don't do the actual upload.	06:33
Adri2000	sacater: in the changelog	06:33
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Adri2000	replace unstable with feisty	06:33
Adri2000	tsmithe: gpg --edit-key ?	06:34
sacater	Adri2000: okay then.... nearyl done	06:34
tsmithe	Adri2000, but then what? i want to change the email..	06:34
tsmithe	i know i've done it before :S	06:34
Adri2000	dunno, man probably knows :)	06:34
tsmithe	tried that :P	06:35
geser	tsmithe: is the key with that uid already on the keyservers?	06:35
sacater	Adri2000: where you said change the distro to feisty (NOT unstable) did you mean it should appear exactly like that, or it should appear as just 'feisty'	06:35
tsmithe	geser, hmm yea...	06:35
tsmithe	is that bad?	06:35
Adri2000	sacater: 'feisty'	06:35
sacater	Adri2000: can do	06:35
geser	tsmithe: it depends how you see it, you can't delete (or edit) parts of a key once this information is on the keyservers	06:36
tsmithe	depends?	06:37
tsmithe	how?	06:37
geser	tsmithe: you can only revoke that uid and add a new one	06:37
tsmithe	cba tbh :P	06:37
tsmithe	thanks :)	06:38
cbx33	geser, you can update information on keyservers	06:42
tsmithe	cbx33, ooh?	06:42
cbx33	well i added a second email address to mine and uploaded it	06:42
cbx33	I'm sure of it	06:42
cbx33	http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=pete+savage&fingerprint=on&op=index	06:43
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cbx33	yeh i had my gpg key before i got my ubuntu email address	06:44
tsmithe	dholbach, ping	06:44
dholbach	tsmithe: pong (just about to leave) - make it quick ;-)	06:45
tsmithe	dholbach, in ubuntustudio-look (maybe others), you've set Maintainer to a non @ubuntu.com email address, and not followed the spec... why isn't dpkg-source complaining?	06:45
geser	cbx33: adding other uid works, but not editing the ones already on the servers or even deleting old uid from keyservers doesn't work	06:46
dholbach	tsmithe: that probably was before the dpkg change	06:46
tsmithe	dholbach, but it's not complaining now :P	06:46
Adri2000	tsmithe: @ubuntu should work I think	06:46
dholbach	tsmithe: just change it to the motu address (as in the spec) and set cory's adress or whatever address you can agree on as XSBC-Original-Maintainer	06:47
tsmithe	i will :)	06:47
tsmithe	Adri2000, it doesn't have any ubuntu	06:47
tsmithe	it's just weird that it doesn't complain	06:47
geser	tsmithe: has the version an ubuntu in it?	06:47
tsmithe	ah - no	06:47
tsmithe	should it?	06:48
dholbach	tsmithe: I guess it didn't complained for me because the change in dpkg-dev was introduced some days ago and I did the packaging before that	06:48
dholbach	but anyway... see you guys later	06:48
dholbach	tsmithe: see you	06:48
tsmithe	dholbach, but i'm building it now :P	06:48
tsmithe	dholbach, bye :)	06:48
dholbach	rock on	06:48
dholbach	;-)	06:48
tsmithe	:D	06:48
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geser	tsmithe: the package name suggest this package is only useful to Ubuntu and never will be in Debian, so you don't have to have an ubuntu in the version	06:51
geser	the check in dpkg-buildpackage checks only for an ubuntu address if there's ubuntu in the version	06:52
tsmithe	ah very good	06:52
tsmithe	so i don't need to follow the spec either?	06:52
sacater	Adri2000:	06:53
sacater	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8105/	06:54
sacater	Adri2000: HOPEFULLY i have it right this timne	06:54
geser	tsmithe: no, as you don't a Debian maintainer for this package :)	06:54
tsmithe	\o/	06:54
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Adri2000	sacater: feisty lowercase. for the bug you fix, you should use "LP: #nnnnn"	07:00
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tsmithe	faa la laaa /me's a-pbuilding	07:00
Adri2000	sacater: '* Added .desktop file (LP: #nnnnn)"	07:00
sacater	Adri2000: okay	07:00
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Adri2000	sacater: please clean up the debdiff so that it is easier to read, remove the config.sub stuff	07:02
sacater	Adri2000: where (LP: #nnnnn) is. Should i put things in #nnnnn	07:02
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Adri2000	where #nnnnn if the bug number of course	07:03
sacater	okies	07:03
sacater	and LP should remain as it is	07:04
Adri2000	yes, it means Launchpad	07:04
sacater	okay	07:04
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Adri2000	sacater: also, use desktop-file-validate on your .desktop file	07:04
sacater	Adri2000: command?	07:04
Adri2000	desktop-file-validate	07:04
sacater	okies	07:05
Adri2000	desktop-file-validate file, as man desktop-file-validate says.	07:05
sacater	okies	07:06
sacater	its wrong as well :P	07:06
sacater	wrong categorie	07:06
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sacater	Adri2000: Now running lintian...	07:13
sacater	E: tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty	07:13
Adri2000	ignore that.	07:13
sacater	Adri2000: thats okay though isnt it?	07:13
sacater	thought so	07:13
sacater	ty	07:13
sacater	Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8107/	07:20
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sacater	Adri2000: how is it?	07:23
Adri2000	sacater: /usr/bin/tea doesn't exist	07:23
sacater	how do you mean, on my system	07:23
sacater	where is the exact fault	07:24
sacater	Adri2000:	07:26
Adri2000	/usr/bin/tea exists on your system?	07:27
Adri2000	I have only teaed	07:27
sacater	oh	07:29
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sacater	right	07:29
sacater	touche	07:29
sacater	Adri2000: but whats wrong with that	07:30
sacater	Adri2000: should it be tea or teaed	07:30
Adri2000	I don't know why the binary is called teaed	07:31
Adri2000	read the changelog maybe	07:31
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sacater	so why did you complain <Adri2000> sacater: /usr/bin/tea doesn't exist	07:33
Adri2000	...	07:33
sacater	Adri2000: its okay anyway, join my channel for a mo	07:34
Adri2000	nope, here is fine	07:35
sacater	tea (9.0-1) unstable; urgency=high	07:35
sacater	* New upstream release	07:35
sacater	* Split debian/tea.doc-base into two files. Closes: #304444	07:35
sacater	* debian/rules: add --enable-debian to configure options.	07:35
sacater	* Change /usr/bin/tea to /usr/bin/teaed (conflicts with dak package).	07:35
sacater	Closes: #303352	07:35
sacater	* Upstream applied patch for amd64/gcc-4.0. Closes: #303416	07:35
sacater	* debian/control: add bzip2 & unzip to Recommends field.	07:35
sacater	* remove debian/tea_spell.c.patch since fixed on upstream	07:35
sacater	it states it was changed	07:35
Adri2000	not fine to flood, though	07:35
Adri2000	great	07:35
sacater	Adri2000: so what happens to my package now?	07:36
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sistpoty	hi folks	07:36
sacater	sistpoty: hi	07:36
sistpoty	hi sacater	07:36
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Adri2000	sacater: well, just change tea to teaed, I don't see any difficulties here	07:37
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Adri2000	hi sistpoty	07:37
sistpoty	hi Adri2000	07:37
sistpoty	motu council finally has his mailing list :)	07:38
Adri2000	ah cool, sistpoty: anyone can subscribe?	07:39
sacater	Adri2000: when you say change 'tea to tead' what 'tea' i can see several things called 'tea'	07:39
sistpoty	Adri2000: it's a public list	07:40
Adri2000	ok	07:40
sistpoty	Adri2000: however there shouldn't be a need to subscribe to it, since we'll only handle new developer applications and administrativa there. the interesting discussions will still be going on at ubuntu-motu	07:41
sistpoty	+@l.u.c	07:41
Adri2000	I see	07:41
sistpoty	(at least that's the plan g)	07:41
Adri2000	sacater: /usr/bin/tea -> teaed	07:41
sacater	Adri2000: okay,. then ill test it on my system	07:41
sacater	Adri2000: you mean in tea.install right	07:42
Adri2000	sacater: the icon is still at the same place, so no need to change, but relative path is better than absolute	07:42
Adri2000	I'm talking of the .desktop file	07:42
sistpoty	siretart, StevenK, crimsun: work for motu-sru: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951	07:43
Ubugtu	Malone bug 57951 in xchat "[SRU] xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]	07:43
siretart	wow: 17 dups	07:43
sistpoty	huhu siretart btw. ;)	07:43
ScottK	Just proves xchat users don't know how to search LP.	07:44
sistpoty	lol	07:44
siretart	hi sistpoty :)	07:45
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siretart	sistpoty: I'm a bit confused: how do gconf and dbus relate in that report?	07:46
sistpoty	siretart: FWIW gconf isn't involved at all, only dbus.	07:46
siretart	sistpoty: aah, and xchat uses dbus only for gconf integration?	07:47
siretart	strange	07:47
siretart	or is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951/comments/81 just confusing?	07:47
Ubugtu	Malone bug 57951 in xchat "[SRU] xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]	07:47
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sistpoty	siretart: yep... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951/comments/84	07:48
siretart	aaaah. reading helps	07:49
sacater	Adri2000: i just wondered, im doing the tea bug, how do i let people know that, so that other MOTUs dont try and to it as well	07:49
siretart	approved	07:49
sistpoty	siretart: btw. did you decide on LaserJock being a tiber admin yet?	07:51
sacater	Adri2000: i just wondered, im doing the tea bug, how do i let people know that, so that other MOTUs dont try and to it as well	07:52
LaserJock	sacater: saying so in here is a start :-)	07:53
sistpoty	hi LaserJock	07:53
LaserJock	hi sistpoty	07:53
LaserJock	hi MOTU Land!!	07:53
sacater	NO ONE TOUCH #81456 MINE!!!! :P :P	07:54
sacater	LaserJock: seriously, how is it done	07:54
LaserJock	that looks pretty good	07:54
LaserJock	sacater: you can put a comment on the bug saying you are working on it	07:54
sacater	i may have done that....	07:55
LaserJock	sacater: you can even assign it to yourself if you want to keep track of bugs you are working on	07:55
sacater	LaserJock: can i do that as a simple mentoree	07:55
sacater	im not full MOTU	07:55
LaserJock	sure	07:55
LaserJock	it just means you are responsible for the bug	07:56
LaserJock	so don't just assign it to yourself and forget about it	07:56
sacater	how do i assign it to myself, i cant see a big button saying it	07:56
tsmithe	click on the affects line	07:57
sacater	ah ty	07:58
siretart	LaserJock: congrats to adminness ;)	07:59
siretart	need to leave now, wave	07:59
LaserJock	siretart: oh, thanks dude	08:00
sacater	Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8113/	08:01
sacater	Adri2000: tell me to god that is CORRECT!	08:01
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sacater	Adri2000: the desktop file now works also	08:02
LaserJock	siretart: I promise I won't break anything ... to much ;-)	08:03
cbx33	but LaserJock you're known for break......	08:04
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cbx33	:p	08:04
LaserJock	cough	08:05
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sacater	Adri2000: you here?	08:07
LaserJock	MOTUs, we have 7 Unconfirmed u-u-s bugs left	08:08
LaserJock	way to go!	08:08
LaserJock	let's finish them off today	08:08
sacater	LaserJock: you are pretty high up in the MOTU world right?	08:11
LaserJock	well, I'm a MOTU and that's about it	08:11
LaserJock	we don't have a lot of hierarchy other than we have a MOTU Council, which I am not a part of	08:12
LaserJock	anyway, what do you need?	08:12
sacater	LaserJock: dont suppose you would be willing to test my tea package	08:12
sacater	with menu entry now :P	08:12
LaserJock	sacater: have you created a debdiff?	08:13
sacater	yes	08:13
cbx33	LaserJock, just a MOTU....JUST A MOTU	08:13
sacater	let me get the paste	08:13
LaserJock	sacater: just attach it to the bug	08:13
sacater	LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8113/	08:13
sacater	oh ok	08:13
sacater	one mo.,.,,	08:13
LaserJock	actually, not yet	08:14
LaserJock	I spotted a couple things, I'll save you an upload	08:14
LaserJock	sacater: is this your first package?	08:14
ajmitch	even the motu council isn't exactly 'high up' :)	08:14
LaserJock	sure it is ;-)	08:14
sacater	LaserJock: yes and no, its my first package that i know WORKS, my other was to so something with gnash, but i may have b0rked that, im gonna try again tomoz	08:15
LaserJock	sacater: cool, well you're doing great	08:16
sacater	LaserJock: heres the bug, and my debdiff is with it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456	08:16
Ubugtu	Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]	08:16
cbx33	hey ajmitch	08:16
LaserJock	sacater: ok, so first thing is the install file	08:16
LaserJock	sacater: you've got debian/tea.desktop /usr/share/applications	08:16
sacater	yes	08:16
LaserJock	sacater: but you want to drop the first "/" so it becomes debian/tea.desktop usr/share/applications	08:16
sacater	ok	08:17
sacater	anything else?	08:17
LaserJock	sacater: the package is really built in a tmp dir in debian/<packagename>	08:17
LaserJock	sacater: so that path really becomes `pwd`/debian/tea/usr/share/applications	08:17
sacater	LaserJock: ok, anything else ?? :P	08:17
sacater	ouch	08:17
LaserJock	you need to get rid of the config.sub stuff	08:18
LaserJock	that's created by the clean rule autotools stuf	08:18
ajmitch	hi cbx33	08:18
LaserJock	sacater: and easy way to get rid of it is to use filterdiff	08:18
sacater	LaserJock: is there a command extension to disable that suring debuild	08:18
LaserJock	sacater: if you have the patchutils package installed you can use filterdiff	08:19
sacater	LaserJock: whats filterdiff?	08:19
sacater	i have that yeah	08:19
sacater	how do i use it	08:19
sacater	command (extenstions)	08:19
LaserJock	I think cat <debdiff> \| filterdiff -x *config.sub might work	08:20
LaserJock	replacing <debdiff> with the file name of your debdiff	08:21
sacater	ok	08:21
sacater	one mo	08:22
sacater	ill attach this debdiff to the bug as well	08:22
LaserJock	hang on, there's more :-)	08:22
LaserJock	does your new debdiff not have the config.sub part now?	08:23
ajmitch	steak knives?	08:23
LaserJock	2 bug reports for the price of 1!	08:23
LaserJock	and if you call now, we'll throw in a sync request ... absolutely free	08:24
LaserJock	and wait! if you call within the next 5 min we'll send you a free gift	08:24
sacater	LaserJock: hold on i havnt even run that yet	08:24
LaserJock	"How to loose your insanity"	08:24
sacater	*sacater calls LaserJock	08:25
LaserJock	*sanity	08:25
sacater	*Laserjock answears	08:25
LaserJock	sacater: ok, let me know if the filterdiff works	08:25
sacater	kk	08:25
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sacater	kk it worked	08:26
LaserJock	ok, the last thing is the .desktop	08:26
Spec	How do I delete a bzr branch that I've registered under launchpad/	08:26
LaserJock	you don't	08:27
LaserJock	you mark it obsolete or something	08:27
sacater	LaserJock: whats wrong with the .desktop file	08:27
Spec	'Abandoned'?	08:27
LaserJock	sacater: you don't need (and in fact it's better) to give an absolute path for the icon	08:27
LaserJock	Spec: sounds good to me	08:27
LaserJock	sacater: I also wonder about the Categories	08:28
sacater	LaserJock: so youre basically telling me that all i did with building, filtering, debdiff was all a waste of time, and i should have done that	08:28
sacater	LaserJock: look mate... its running fine on my system under accessories	08:28
sacater	LaserJock: should Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/tea.xpm appear as Icon=pixmaps/tea.xpm	08:30
LaserJock	sacater: actually it should just be Icon=tea I think	08:30
LaserJock	no need for .xpm even	08:30
Spec	LaserJock: thanks	08:31
LaserJock	sacater: it's just that all the editors I've got have Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor;	08:31
LaserJock	not saying it has to be that, just that's the way I've seen it	08:31
LaserJock	sacater: a final thing you can do is run desktop-file-validate tea.desktop	08:32
LaserJock	here it complains about the Application category	08:33
sacater	LaserJock: okay, but is it okay if i do add the .xpm bit	08:34
sacater	LaserJock: just in case	08:34
LaserJock	sacater: it's better not to	08:34
sacater	if youre sure...	08:34
LaserJock	sacater: if later on the icon is provided as a .png or something then the .desktop doesn't have to change	08:35
sacater	LaserJock: okay let me rebuild and make you youre debdiff :P	08:35
LaserJock	sacater: sorry for the trouble	08:35
sacater	LaserJock: no problem, the whole point of me being here is to LEARN :P	08:35
LaserJock	you're doing good	08:36
sacater	:D	08:36
sacater	just to conferm, when i did validate tea.desktop. it said that application was not valid, so i removed it and now its fine	08:38
LaserJock	k	08:38
cbx33	why is it that oodraw has no desktop entry	08:39
sacater	LaserJock: building now....	08:40
sacater	cant i just send you the debdiff, its so easier	08:40
LaserJock	it's easier than attaching it to the bug?	08:40
LaserJock	generally we like to keep things "in the open" so I prefer having the debdiff on Launchpad	08:41
LaserJock	but whatever you want	08:41
sacater	LaserJock: ok out in the open it is,	08:42
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LaserJock	sacater: make sure to debdiff <oldpackage> <newpackage>	08:44
sacater	LaserJock: i do :P	08:44
sacater	LaserJock: can i do filter on the debdiff as in debdiff <old> <new> \| filter	08:44
LaserJock	yes	08:45
LaserJock	your 2nd debdiff is reversed though	08:45
LaserJock	and not actually a debdiff, but a copy of the shell out put ;-)	08:46
giftnudel	why do I get access forbidden when trying to download a changes file from revu?	08:46
LaserJock	because changes files have gpg signatures	08:46
giftnudel	which means what?	08:46
sacater	LaserJock: okay	08:47
LaserJock	if a package was uploaded by a MOTU there somebody could grab the package+.changes and upload it themselves	08:47
LaserJock	to Ubuntu	08:47
LaserJock	it's safer if we don't show .changes	08:47
sistpoty	giftnudel: .changes files are not part of a source package. they are only useful to determine if an upload is from you or not.	08:48
sistpoty	giftnudel: think of them as a ticket	08:48
giftnudel	ok, understood	08:48
giftnudel	thanks a lot	08:48
sistpoty	np	08:48
ajmitch	sistpoty!	08:48
sistpoty	hi ajmitch	08:48
ajmitch	hey :)	08:48
sistpoty	ah... I'm so evil :)	08:49
sacater	LaserJock: im uploading the debdiff	08:50
sistpoty	https://code.launchpad.net/~revu/+branch/tasks/ubuntu	08:50
ajmitch	sistpoty: how evil?	08:50
sistpoty	ajmitch: I've just done a rm -rf on the sftp-server	08:50
ajmitch	ooh	08:51
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ajmitch	with the smart server you won't be able to	08:51
sistpoty	ajmitch: however you can still access the branch via http... let's see if I can trick lp into removing that as well	08:51
ajmitch	when we initially pushed revu2 to lp, I stuffed it up & had to remove it :)	08:51
sistpoty	yep, I remember ;)	08:51
ajmitch	hehe	08:52
sacater	LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456 i called it '3rd'	08:52
Ubugtu	Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]	08:52
sacater	LaserJock: looked at it	08:55
LaserJock	sacater: it's still going backwards	08:58
sacater	oh	08:59
sacater	i put the files in wrong order in debdiff right LaserJock	08:59
sacater	LaserJock:	09:01
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sacater	LaserJock:	09:08
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LaserJock	sacater: what?	09:08
sacater	[19:56] i put the files in wrong order in debdiff right LaserJock	09:09
LaserJock	oh sorry, didn't see the ? in that	09:09
LaserJock	yes	09:09
LaserJock	you did	09:09
sacater	okay ill inverse them	09:09
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superm1	hey guys, a package that we normally pull from debian - but i have an ubuntu patch to add, i'm getting this:dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address	09:11
superm1	What is the appropriate thing to do?	09:11
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bddebian	superm1: Change the maintainer	09:12
bddebian	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField	09:12
superm1	k thx	09:12
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superm1	is there a large ubuntu-motu or such mailing list to set it to? i don't think i should put myself	09:14
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superm1	oh nvm	09:14
superm1	i just saw it on the page	09:14
LaserJock	:-)	09:14
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sistpoty	later folks	09:15
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sacater	LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456 look at the 4th one	09:19
Ubugtu	Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]	09:19
sacater	LaserJock: :P	09:19
LaserJock	sacater: so close	09:21
LaserJock	we don't want /usr/share/pixmaps/ in Icon=	09:22
LaserJock	sacater: I'll just fix that when I go to upload, ok?	09:22
sacater	ok	09:22
sacater	ok	09:22
sacater	no	09:22
tsmithe	anyone know when dholbach will be back?	09:22
sacater	not okay	09:22
sacater	LaserJock: ill do it	09:22
tsmithe	and, erm, DON'T REVIEW UBUNTUSTUDIO on revu :)	09:22
sacater	LaserJock: what do i want in icon :P	09:22
LaserJock	Icon=tea	09:23
LaserJock	tsmithe: what did you do?	09:23
tsmithe	nothing!	09:23
tsmithe	they're just erm, a bit broken, and i'm trying to fix	09:23
LaserJock	sacater: and there's a sacater@neo:~/tea/compare$ at the bottom of the debdiff	09:24
tsmithe	(blames dholbach)	09:24
sacater	Laserjock, ill get rid of that to	09:24
LaserJock	np, if you add a > to the end of the debdiffing line it'll come out right	09:24
LaserJock	so debdiff .... > debdiff.txt	09:25
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sacater	LaserJock: done! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456	09:34
Ubugtu	Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Wishlist,Confirmed]	09:34
sacater	number 5	09:34
LaserJock	sacater: now that is a beautiful debdiff	09:35
sacater	LaserJock: ALLIEHUYAH!!!!!	09:36
sacater	LaserJock: right, now what, we upload my package to universe or something	09:36
sacater	LaserJock: do you have jabber?	09:36
LaserJock	sacater: sure do	09:36
sacater	LaserJock: wanna trade addresses?	09:37
LaserJock	launchpad.net/~laserjock has all my info	09:37
sacater	LaserJock: in my channel of course	09:37
sacater	oh ok	09:37
LaserJock	it' my life in a webpage	09:37
LaserJock	*it's	09:37
sacater	LaserJock: so what happens to my package	09:38
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LaserJock	sacater: I apply the debdiff, look it over, test it, then upload	09:39
sacater	LaserJock: so the .deb files on my PC are never useed	09:40
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LaserJock	sacater: nope, we do source-only uploads	09:40
sacater	LaserJock: okies, i will get credit?	09:41
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LaserJock	sacater: yeah, I just gotta tweak something real quick	09:42
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sacater	LaserJock: okies, when will people be able to access it through universe repos	09:43
LaserJock	well, kinda depends	09:43
LaserJock	right now we are under the Herd5 freeze	09:44
LaserJock	so Universe package have to be manually processed	09:44
RainCT	Hi, how can I become a MOTU (yes, I know it's explained on wiki, but there are that much pages that I don't know what one I should look :p)?	09:46
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LaserJock	RainCT: you work and do MOTU work and after a while and you know what you are doing you can apply through the MOTU Council	09:49
RainCT	LaserJock: yes read that but how do I get started? just do packages and submit to REVU?	09:51
ajmitch	dholbach!!	09:51
dholbach	hi ajmitch	09:51
LaserJock	RainCT: depends on what you want to do	09:51
LaserJock	RainCT: right now we aren't accepting brand new package for Feisty	09:51
LaserJock	RainCT: we are focused on bug fixing	09:52
RainCT	LaserJock: how can I do that (bug fixing)?	09:55
LaserJock	RainCT: sorry, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO	09:56
RainCT	LaserJock: or do I need programation knowledge for that? (I only know PHP)	09:56
tsmithe	dholbach, aha!	09:58
tsmithe	sorry to bug you	09:58
tsmithe	but... :P	09:58
tsmithe	"dpkg: error processing ubuntustudio-sounds_0.1_all.deb (--install):	09:58
tsmithe	trying to overwrite `/usr/share/sounds/info.wav', which is also in package ubuntu-sounds"	09:58
dholbach	hi tsmithe	09:58
dholbach	they need to conflicts	09:58
tsmithe	ah ok :)	09:59
dholbach	np	09:59
tsmithe	also, there are a couple of issues with -theme	09:59
tsmithe	we'd like the gtk-2.0/panel stuff to be installed, but when it is, the panel.png file causes issues.	09:59
tsmithe	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8122/ is the patch so far	09:59
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tsmithe	(also adds murrine as a dependency- is that correct?)	09:59
pochu	do you guys know if I can setup an outgoing server for the @ubuntu account?	10:00
LaserJock	dholbach: did you know that a tasks product exists in LP?	10:00
dholbach	?	10:01
dholbach	I created it	10:01
LaserJock	dholbach: so your example branches in ~revu link to a TODO manager ;-)	10:01
dholbach	I know	10:01
LaserJock	really?	10:01
LaserJock	fine then	10:01
dholbach	the package is 'tasks'	10:01
ajmitch	:)	10:01
dholbach	a 'todo manager'	10:01
LaserJock	I just thought it was some funky LP think	10:01
LaserJock	*thing	10:01
RainCT	LaserJock: sorry have to go, thanks	10:01
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=== Toadstool waves
Fujitsu	Hi Toadstool.	10:03
Toadstool	hey Fujitsu	10:03
LaserJock	hi guys	10:04
Fujitsu	Hi LaserJock, everyone else.	10:04
Toadstool	be right be, need a whole load of coffee if I dont want to fall asleep on my keyboard (which is not a good idea at work...)	10:04
Toadstool	hi LaserJock	10:04
Toadstool	*back	10:05
tsmithe	dholbach, (apologies for nagging) - but do you have a suggestion? that patch leads to '/usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:212: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "panel.png"' errors?	10:05
pochu	or do I just get a redirection for the incoming mail? <- Adri2000 any idea?	10:05
dholbach	tsmithe: no idea (for now), but I'm in a meeting currently	10:05
tsmithe	ok thanks :)	10:05
dholbach	tsmithe: if until later nobody answered or found it, ask me again	10:05
tsmithe	what is "later"?	10:06
tsmithe	(so i don't pester until then)	10:06
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Fujitsu	pochu: @ubuntu.com addresses are just incoming redirects.	10:06
dholbach	an hour	10:07
tsmithe	right ho	10:07
tsmithe	danke	10:07
pochu	Fujitsu: ok, ty :)	10:07
ajmitch	dholbach: so we have our first candidate for the MC to handle	10:10
dholbach	I know	10:10
dholbach	very nice :)	10:10
dholbach	and even without an announce	10:10
Fujitsu	ajmitch: Good to see this happening :)	10:10
dholbach	but luckily sistpoty will do it	10:10
dholbach	it should get widespread attention	10:10
=== ajmitch wanted to email the people who applied for ubuntu-dev, but will be away for the weekend
dholbach	u-d-announce, fridge-devel, ...	10:10
Fujitsu	Shouldn't motu be made moderated, not restricted?	10:10
Fujitsu	(and shouldn't the descriptions be fixed up?)	10:11
dholbach	restricted is fine too	10:11
dholbach	people should only apply via the list	10:11
dholbach	not via LP	10:11
Fujitsu	Is that the process now? OK.	10:11
dholbach	you always have to handle people who sign up for random teams	10:11
Fujitsu	True.	10:11
Fujitsu	Gah, stupid illegal instruction crashes on amd64 on Intel processors. What do we do about them?	10:12
Toadstool	who's the first candidate if I may ask? :)	10:12
ajmitch	and we'll pass names onto the TB anyway, who can add people to the team	10:12
=== ajmitch hasn't had time to reply on the revu+bzr, but there are a few things I miss
ajmitch	like being able to check over the .diff visually on the web, and browse files	10:13
ajmitch	I know there'll be a bzr code browser soon	10:14
dholbach	and we could automate that too	10:14
dholbach	I think we should rather identify things that block "getting moving"	10:14
dholbach	:-)	10:14
ajmitch	yeah	10:14
ajmitch	"confusion":	10:14
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Fujitsu	Anybody got an amd64 box with pbuilders that I can use or send stuff to (preferably with an Intel processor)?	10:18
=== ajmitch only has a real amd64
Toadstool	AMD64 with an Intel processor? weird :p	10:19
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GNUro	lo!	10:21
GNUro	'lo!	10:21
LaserJock	Toadstool: you never know	10:25
Fujitsu	Oh dear, I just heard an ABC newsreader use the word `photoshopped' in a news bulletin.	10:26
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psusi	I can't stand it when they said 'blog' or 'podcast'	10:31
psusi	blog sounds like something you do in the bloody bathroom....	10:31
ajmitch	they shoudl say "gimped"	10:31
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dholbach	tsmithe: sorry, I have no clue about how themes and their definitions work	10:34
tsmithe	urgh - me neither	10:34
dholbach	tsmithe: best to ask ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com for help	10:34
tsmithe	thanks :)	10:34
dholbach	there are quite a bunch of people who wrote their own themes already	10:34
tsmithe	fortunately i'm subscribed there	10:34
dholbach	I'm sure somebody will answer	10:34
tsmithe	thanks :)	10:34
Fujitsu	Adobe's trademark policy explicitly forbids the use of it as a verb.	10:36
tsmithe	i'll adobe you good Fujitsu	10:38
Fujitsu	I think that's OK. It's just Photoshop that is forbidden.	10:39
Fujitsu	I was horrified when I heard it on the news... I didn't think the media would use a word like that.	10:39
geser	Fujitsu: ask imbrandon if hood.ubuntuwire.com is ready	10:40
Fujitsu	geser: I don't actually need one now. I've found a bug about the issue elsewhere, with a solution. Thanks for the suggestion, though.	10:40
tsmithe	Fujitsu, @lart 37	10:42
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Fujitsu	tsmithe, #-offtopic is where that works.	10:46
tsmithe	Fujitsu, but last time i checked you weren't there :P	10:46
Fujitsu	This is true.	10:46
tsmithe	:)	10:47
tsmithe	hence my failure in -au :P	10:47
Fujitsu	Gah, stupid unintelligent LP.	11:02
Fujitsu	I created an Ubuntu Edgy task via email, but nooo, it had to put it under the Debian one.	11:02
Fujitsu	Actually, I don't have the required permissions to add such a task. More bugs!	11:03
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tsmithe	poor Fujitsu	11:05
Fujitsu	Surely the email interface shouldn't be able to bypass the release management permissions?	11:05
dholbach	night folks	11:06
sacater	going offline now bye all	11:06
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Fujitsu	Night dholbach, sacater.	11:06
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sistpoty	re	11:20
Fujitsu	Hi sistpoty.	11:21
sistpoty	hi Fujitsu	11:21
ajmitch	hi sistpoty	11:21
sistpoty	hi ajmitch	11:21
sistpoty	Riddell, bddebian, geser, (crimsun): you've been sponsoring uploads for Lure, right? anything you'd like to say regarding his application for motu?	11:25
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Riddell	sistpoty: yes please, we want him	11:28
sistpoty	Riddell: k, thx :)	11:29
ajmitch	he was at UDS, wasn't he?	11:32
sistpoty	no idea, /me wasn't	11:33
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=== ajmitch is sure he met Lure there
Fujitsu	ajmitch: It seems he was there.	11:35
sistpoty	ajmitch: what's your opinion?	11:36
sistpoty	damn, it's tough to decide g	11:36
ajmitch	sistpoty: I know he's done plenty of work, and I've seen a bit of it	11:37
ajmitch	this is why we can do it by mail, rather than IRC :)	11:37
sistpoty	hehe	11:37
sistpoty	I guess I'm convinced for a +1 right now already	11:37
=== ajmitch also, but it'd be good to get some discussion on the list
=== LaserJock misses the grilling
ajmitch	LaserJock: that nervous feeling, the sinking feeling in your stomach as you think they're about to decline?	11:38
LaserJock	yep	11:38
LaserJock	the off-the wall questions	11:38
LaserJock	reminds me of my oral exam for PhD candidacy	11:39
ajmitch	"what was keybuk's last hair colour?"	11:40
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sistpoty	LaserJock: have you read the application mail? any tough question you'd like to ask him? g	11:40
ajmitch	(mdz grilling siretart for core-dev)	11:40
bddebian	doh	11:41
Fujitsu	ajmitch: I like that question.	11:41
bddebian	Glad I ain't gonna try that again :-)	11:41
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sistpoty	hehe, I never tried for core-dev	11:42
Fujitsu	What's the current policy with regards to bugs assigned to MOTU? Should we unassign if we're making other changes?	11:42
sistpoty	Fujitsu: what do you mean with "other changes"?	11:43
Adri2000	assign them to you :)	11:43
LaserJock	sistpoty: where's the mail?	11:43
Fujitsu	Like, I'm changing a bugs to Needs Info. Do we want bugs assigned to MOTU?	11:43
sistpoty	LaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000003.html	11:44
ajmitch	sistpoty: you have to, then we'll have 5 core devs on MC :)	11:44
sistpoty	ajmitch: I'd rather like to stay the one representing only humble motu's :P	11:44
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ajmitch	haha	11:45
=== ajmitch is just a humble motu as well, so don't worry
sistpoty	hehe	11:47
bddebian	Later gang	11:48
Fujitsu	Bye, bddebian.	11:48
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LaserJock	sistpoty: well, I'd personally ask him about some of the more social aspects	11:58
LaserJock	how he feels about reviewing, mentoring, sponsoring	11:58
LaserJock	what he adds to the "team"	11:58
sistpoty	oh, that's a nice one :)	11:58
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