[12:13] <LaserJock> cool
[12:16] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://www.racoonfink.com/archives/000713.html
[12:17] <neutrinomass> erm, when building a package from CVS (which does not provide a ./configure) should one run autogen.sh before dh_make or in debian/rules ?
[12:17] <tsmithe> rules...
[12:17] <neutrinomass> cool, thanks
[12:18] <tsmithe> which package?
[12:18] <imbrandon> neutrinomass, before dh_make
[12:18] <neutrinomass> Ok, now I can sense a disagreement between the motus :p
[12:18] <tsmithe> i'm not a motu
[12:18] <tsmithe> :P
[12:18] <neutrinomass> http://glsof.sourceforge.net/
[12:18] <tsmithe> (and i'm going to go look at a package to see)
[12:19] <imbrandon> its from cvs, prep it like a tarbal ( eg run autogen ) before you pakage it
[12:19] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:19] <tsmithe> otherwise it could have nasty cvs-deps
[12:19] <tsmithe> (as i discovered with wired and autopoint)
[12:19] <neutrinomass> imbrandon: Ok, cool. (good thing I didn't have the time to delete my package *grins at tsmithe* :P )
[12:20] <tsmithe> imbrandon, haha - i thought dh_make was a command in rules and was getting really, really confused. now i remember what it's really for (god knows - i've used it enough times)
[12:23] <neutrinomass> erm, the upstream author signs as "Daniele F." ... should I contact him/her and ask for a last name :-/ ?
[12:24] <crimsun> which package?
[12:25] <neutrinomass> I'm trying to package this : http://glsof.sourceforge.net
[12:25] <crimsun> yes, you should
[12:26] <crimsun> it's not absolutely required, of course
[12:26] <neutrinomass> Ok, thanks
[12:47] <pochu> night :)
[01:58] <Adri2000> ajmitch: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html broken
[01:59] <ajmitch> oh well
[02:00] <ajmitch> that's the problem of apt being upgraded
[02:06] <ajmitch> Adri2000: how busy are you right now? :)
[02:06] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:06] <Adri2000> I'm merging ifplugd
[02:06] <Adri2000> night sistpoty
[02:07] <ajmitch> I noticed that launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs is rather long
[02:08] <Adri2000> yep, needs some cleanup
[02:09] <Adri2000> I can try to clean it a bit, but not now (it's 2am :))
[02:09] <geser> what's the purpose to list open Debian bugs? without them the list would be one fifth shorter
[02:10] <ajmitch> geser: sorry?
[02:10] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock 
[02:11] <ajmitch> just the person I was thinking about ;)
[02:11] <LaserJock> uh oh
[02:11] <geser> the u-u-s bug list lists nearly 20 bugs which are fixed in Ubuntu but still open in Debian
[02:11] <LaserJock> did anybody in here ping me before I left before?
[02:11] <ajmitch> geser: blame launchpad
[02:11] <zul_> heylo
[02:12] <LaserJock> geser: that's just a queue for you to go get them fixed in Debian I guess
[02:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I want to see  https://beta.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-universe-sponsors/+subscribedbugs cleaned up :)
[02:12] <ajmitch> hi zul
[02:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: in what way?
[02:13] <LaserJock> getting off my butt and sponsoring stuff? or a more technical way? :-)
[02:13] <ajmitch> checking & sponsoring
[02:14] <ajmitch> so I'll try & push people to work on things now :)
[02:14] <LaserJock> I just spent an hour with my advisor figuring out why the stupid Fortan fitting program wasn't liking me
[02:14] <ajmitch> ah
[02:14] <ajmitch> poor chap
[02:14] <LaserJock> he figured it out though, so that's good
[02:18] <LaserJock> well, maybe I can have a look
[02:19] <LaserJock> there's 37 unconfirmed or needsinfo
[02:19] <LaserJock> ouch
[02:19] <LaserJock> bug 3393 is on the list
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3393 in sysstat "'R' report fails" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3393
[02:19] <ajmitch> yes, *old* stuff on there
[02:19] <ajmitch> I think we should probably do some of the trivial fixes
[02:19] <ajmitch> rather than waiting for people to reply & fix them
[02:20] <LaserJock> mhm
[02:20] <ajmitch> educating people is good, but getting fixes in before release is great :)
[02:21] <LaserJock> doing them both at the same time is awesome ;-)
[02:21] <ajmitch> of course
[02:22] <ajmitch> and you could even write a mail to the motu list asking for volunteers to review the bug list :)
[02:22] <ajmitch> hi Arrogance 
[02:23] <Arrogance> greetings ajmitch 
[02:23] <geser> bug 57951 is a SRU candidate, it has a patch and also 16 duplicates. it only needs someone to do the SRU.
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951
[02:24] <ajmitch> geser: could that someone be you?
[02:25] <LaserJock> ok, I'll bbl, gotta get home
[02:25] <geser> ajmitch: I would do it but I don't have an edgy system to test
[02:25] <ajmitch> neither do I
[02:28] <jdong> pfft you guys are all wimps
[02:29] <jdong> god finding the patch amongst the stupid crash reports
[02:29] <jdong> ajmitch: is the patch just that one --disable-dbus basically?
[02:29] <jdong> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5374594/changes.diff
[02:29] <jdong> ?
[02:29] <ajmitch> probably
[02:30] <ajmitch> and insulting us all doesn't really help much
[02:30] <jdong> ajmitch: I was joking.
[02:31] <jdong> oh well, not my problem
[02:34] <jdong_> buenos nachos
[02:36] <jdong_> ajmitch: 5 starts and no apport files in /var/crash....
[02:36] <ajmitch> that's nice
[02:36] <jdong> I'd call it good
[02:36] <jdong> tha'ts nice in the "Yeah whatever go DIAF" way?
[02:37] <ajmitch> pretty much, it's not a bug I care about, as long as someone's taking care of it
[02:37] <ajmitch> I'm not in the sru team, so I won't be approving it or need to look at it
[02:38] <jdong> ok, I've done my share of guinea pigging tonight.
[02:38] <jdong> tomorrow.... ugh backports testing party
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:19] <ajmitch> hello
[03:19] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[03:28] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[03:29] <LaserJock> hi
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:30] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:31] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock 
[03:32] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch, I'm back
[03:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I noticed!
[03:33] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> oh great
[03:34] <ajmitch> bugs being filed about ubuntu ultimate edition
[03:34] <jdong> I bet Ultimate edition has working Xgl and non-crashing xchat
[03:34] <jdong> and a pony.
[03:35] <LaserJock> I have a non-crashing xchat
[03:35] <LaserJock> but I have no idea about Xgl
[03:35] <bddebian> heh
[03:37] <jdong> Xgl will work once again soon
[03:37] <jdong> muahahaha
[03:37] <jdong> muahahaha
[03:37] <jdong> mua*cough*cough*hack*cough*
[03:37] <LaserJock> oops, did I say that out loud? ;-)
[03:39] <zul> I thought you had left
[03:39] <LaserJock> I'm back!
[03:39] <LaserJock> grabed some Jack in the Box and now I'm at home watching the Simpsons
[03:40] <theCore> by the way, is it normal that Compiz seems broken?
[03:41] <LaserJock> I think so 
[03:41] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:41] <theCore> for example, the 4 dimensional cube and the ghost applications
[03:42] <theCore> 4 dimensional cube = 4 virtual desks * 4 cube's sides
[03:43] <theCore> er, 6 cube's sides
[03:43] <theCore> for a grand total of 16 usable desktops
[03:43] <theCore> yay!
[03:45] <theCore> Hi Hobbsee
[03:45] <jdong> wave... d^2 f / dx^2 = a^2 d^2 f/dt^2
[03:45] <jdong> right?
[03:46] <theCore> sin x?
[03:46] <theCore> fancy calculus...
[03:47] <jdong> theCore: not necessarily sin, though sin/cos fulfill the property a lot :)
[03:47] <Fujitsu_> Anybody here know who I poke to get app-install-data for a package of mine updated?
[03:48] <jdong> theCore: you can get wave eq's from anything... like f(x,t)= (x+at)^3
[03:48] <theCore> jdong: ah, well. 
[03:49] <theCore> maybe next year, I will have some headaches because of this
[03:49] <theCore> (I plan my headaches in advance)
[03:51] <jdong> theCore: come to #ubuntuforums and say #headon
[03:51] <jdong> :)
[03:52] <theCore> side note: am I acing -- 94% -- my Calculus course, right now, thanks to Wikipedia and a lot of free time :P
[03:52] <theCore> jdong: can I ask why?
[03:53] <jdong> theCore: you'll see... you'll get the joke if live in the US
[03:54] <theCore> nah, I'm just a Canadian caveman
[03:54] <bddebian> haha "Apply directly to the forehead"
[03:54] <jdong> bddebian: lol we have a bot in 3ubuntuofurms that does that
[03:54] <jdong> and it has #shesaid too
[03:54] <jdong> for Michael Scott jokes.
[03:55] <fernando> hey motus
[03:55] <bddebian> Hello fernando
[04:05] <theCore> It feels good to be back on my Ubuntu machine
[04:05] <theCore> I been stuck in the Windows world, most of this month
[04:06] <theCore> that includes VB.NET programming (ugh) and Vista
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ugh
[04:06] <theCore> at least, for us, Vista sucks 
[04:07] <theCore> the only cool thing is the Data Execution Prevention thingy
[04:07] <theCore> except it's disabled by default...
[04:08] <jdong> theCore: I like C# / mono :(
[04:09] <theCore> jdong: I like C#, too 
[04:09] <jdong> theCore: from what I can see VB.Net is like identical to C# but different syntax
[04:09] <jdong> I mean, all the .NET langs are more or less feature-equivalent
[04:09] <jdong> (read: big improvement over VB6)
[04:09] <theCore> jdong: well, it's the same under-pinning API 
[04:10] <jdong> right
[04:10] <theCore> jdong: it's just a syntax, for the most part
[04:10] <jdong> yeah
[04:10] <theCore> syntax change*
[04:10] <jdong> I think C# supports a bit more language features though
[04:10] <jdong> like generics type of stuff
[04:11] <theCore> does C# supports continuations yet?
[04:12] <jdong> theCore: I know C# 2.0 in .NET does
[04:12] <jdong> I'm not sure the status on Mono?
[04:12] <jdong> I'd expect so?
[04:13] <theCore> maybe, I don't know
[04:13] <theCore> I am starting to like this language feature 
[04:13] <theCore> a supercharged goto :P
[04:14] <jdong> theCore: yeah, generators as they're called in Python...
[04:14] <jdong> very handy :)
[04:17] <theCore> dh_install
[04:17] <theCore> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/': No such file or directory
[04:17] <theCore> what a lovely error message...
[04:29] <theCore> ha ah!
[04:30] <theCore> I forgot to remove /debian/tmp/etc from debian/xchat.install
[04:38] <theCore> I am starting to fear updating my Emacs XFT package
[04:39] <theCore> I get about 13000 APT-HTTP requests per day  
[04:39] <LaserJock> wow
[04:40] <Fujitsu_> Wow!
[04:40] <LaserJock> why aren't you're packages in Debian?
[04:40] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Because they're so obscure that nobody would use them if they were there, of course.
[04:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: did you see your +packages bug got a high priority
[04:40] <theCore> LaserJock: well, it is somehow in Debian
[04:40] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: I did. I was impressed.
[04:41] <LaserJock> well, I told kiko to do it, so I was hoping
[04:41] <Fujitsu_> Good, good.
[04:41] <Fujitsu_> static unblocked that IP, which is also good.
[04:41] <theCore> Average data transferred per day: 1.18 gigabytes (989.01 megabytes) -- glup
[04:42] <LaserJock> yeah, I also mentioned that to kiko ;-)
[04:42] <LaserJock> theCore: I don't understand why the Debian packages don't have that font stuff already
[04:42] <theCore> LaserJock: because they use the main cvs branch
[04:42] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: kiko was really suprised. I might have been a little cranky about it
[04:42] <LaserJock> theCore: so crappy fonts are in the main cvs?
[04:43] <theCore> LaserJock: I use the emacs-unicode-2 branch which include the Unicode support and the cool fonts
[04:43] <theCore> LaserJock: yep
[04:44] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: I found out some stuff about +bugs-text
[04:44] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Anything useful?
[04:44] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: you can do any old +bugs search and add -text to get the plain text
[04:44] <theCore> ok, I got the fixed Xchat for Edgy
[04:44] <LaserJock> Fujitsu_: so search for only open bugs in MOTU Science then add -text
[04:45] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Since when? I filed a bug on that a few months back.
[04:45] <LaserJock> it works now
[04:45] <Fujitsu_> Ah.
[04:45] <LaserJock> kiko showed me
[04:45] <Fujitsu_> OK.
[04:45] <Fujitsu_> That's good.
[04:45] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:47] <LaserJock> how many MOTUs are present right now?
[04:48] <Fujitsu_> Not many.
[04:48] <Fujitsu_> Hey Toadstool.
[04:48] <LaserJock> imbrandon: around?
[04:48] <Toadstool> hi Fujitsu_ 
[04:48] <LaserJock> bddebian?
[04:48] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Why do you want everyone?
[04:48] <LaserJock> we'll take it
[04:48] <Fujitsu_> Hail bddebian.
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya Fujitsu_
[04:49] <Fujitsu_> *leave
[04:50] <LaserJock> ok, we've got 37 Unconfirmed and Needs-Info bugs for u-u-s
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> Review time?
[04:50] <LaserJock> I want you all to get at least half processed today
[04:50] <Toadstool> yay!
[04:50] <LaserJock> if you see other MOTUs let'm know
[04:50] <LaserJock> we need to get those buggers done
[04:51] <Hobbsee> erk, reading the rest, 'm not here :P
[04:51] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Add something to the topic, perhaps?
[04:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: thanks for volunteering, oh super-MOTU ;)
[04:51] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: we intended to send a mail to the list instead
[04:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: That leave me an hour? :-)
[04:52] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch: Also a good idea.
[04:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: 24hrs
[04:53] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: also trying to send something nice "Please do some work" to inactive MOTUs :)
[04:53] <ajmitch> if possible
[04:53] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: 15 of them are Debian-only bugs.
[04:53] <LaserJock> then we gotta get all of them done in 24hrs
[04:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: thanks for doing this :)
[04:53] <Fujitsu_> How's the checking of inactive members of motu going?
[04:53] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: with a few people it'll be easy
[04:53] <ajmitch> it's not
[04:53] <LaserJock> lets get this busted out people!!
[04:54] <Toadstool> hmm... what do we do with the .desktop only patches?
[04:54] <Fujitsu_> OK, I've got to go.
[04:54] <Toadstool> -the
[04:54] <Fujitsu_> Toadstool: Apply them! Forward them to Debian! Rejoice!
[04:54] <LaserJock> exactly
[04:54] <Toadstool> ok
[04:54] <bddebian> What constitutes "inactive" anyway?  I've been meaning to ask that
[04:54] <ajmitch> though contacting inactive MOTUs was something I signed up for at the MC meeting
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: whatever we feel like, we really just want to get more people back & involved
[04:55] <LaserJock> yeah, it's not about kicking people out
[04:55] <LaserJock> just kicking them into activity ;-)
[04:55] <bddebian> Agreed, I was just wondering how you were determining if someone was "inactive"?
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: as I said, whatever we feel like
[04:55] <bddebian> Uploads, bug update, what?
[04:55] <ajmitch> we'll run through the list, see if they've been around in the last few months, if not, politely send them a message
[04:56] <bddebian> Ah
[04:56] <ajmitch> eg there are some MOTUs I met at UDS, who just are too busy
[04:56] <ajmitch> (working for google)
[05:00] <theCore> I wonder if I could be accepted as a MOTU ...
[05:00] <theCore> (yeah, I know, keep working...)
[05:01] <LaserJock> you just need some more Universe work I think
[05:01] <LaserJock> and speaking of that
[05:01] <LaserJock> ...
[05:02] <theCore> here xchat: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4534
[05:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: I work, what's my excuse? :)
[05:03] <LaserJock> theCore: we've got a list of RC bugs that have been fixed in Debian since the current Ubuntu version
[05:03] <Toadstool> is it me or all the .desktop patches have already been applied/forwarded to Debian by crimsun?
[05:03] <LaserJock> theCore: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
[05:03] <LaserJock> Toadstool: make sure you aren't looking at Debian tasks
[05:04] <Toadstool> I am not
[05:04] <LaserJock> k
[05:04] <LaserJock> it could be we just need cleanup
[05:04] <Toadstool> well the Debian task is still valid
[05:05] <theCore> LaserJock: thanks
[05:07] <theCore> okay, now I need a debdiff...
[05:09] <theCore> hmm... debdiff xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu3.dsc xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu4.dsc | diffstat
[05:09] <theCore>  71 files changed, 5748 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
[05:10] <theCore> I am working very hard :P
[05:10] <LaserJock> yikes
[05:10] <theCore> nah, I should say automake is working hard 
[05:11] <Toadstool> oh wow
[05:11] <Toadstool> theCore: how about trying to keep the debdiff as little as possible? ;)
[05:12] <theCore> Toadstool: yeah, I am trying to find a way...
[05:13] <theCore> but building Edgy packages on Feisty is not optimal, even with a Edgy pbuilder's basetgz
[05:15] <Hobbsee> gah.  can i just reject https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/45852 as they need a MIR report, and we dont have cd space?
[05:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45852 in Baltix "Default Ubuntu desktop can't play midi files (not Kubuntu)" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[05:15] <Hobbsee> at this point, i'ts not a u-u-s bug anyway
[05:16] <LaserJock> yes
[05:18] <Hobbsee> done :
[05:18] <Hobbsee> )
[05:18] <Toadstool> 2 syncs ack'd, yay...
[05:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: excellent, our plan is working... ;)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> presumably we can do new versions of software if they've been filed before the freeze?
[05:20] <LaserJock> go MOTUs go!!!
[05:20] <LaserJock> probably not actually
[05:20] <Toadstool> you manipulative MOTU Council #@"%! :)
[05:20] <theCore> I don't get it... why the .Po files are changing, they aren't even in the diff.gz
[05:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: well, I'm not sure
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: they did that for the sync requests
[05:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'd go for the "as it feels right"
[05:21] <Hobbsee> right
[05:21] <ajmitch> for sync requests it's different
[05:22] <ajmitch> since this is stuff we're reviewing
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:26] <Hobbsee> right, that's done too.
[05:28] <ajmitch> great
[05:28] <Toadstool> i'm taking care of nttcp
[05:28] <ajmitch> sync request?
[05:28] <Toadstool> nope merge
[05:28] <ajmitch> ah right
[05:28] <ajmitch> yeah, I forgot that one
[05:29] <ajmitch> it was mistakenly assigned to motu-uvf
[05:30] <theCore> Lathiat: hehe, it's a Windows' cd-key :P
[05:31] <Lathiat> theCore: ya i know, thats why i was laughing ;)
[05:31] <theCore> Lathiat: well, then we are two :)
[05:33] <theCore> there's really a Wikipedia's article for everything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCKGW
[05:34] <Toadstool> alright, nttcp done
[05:34] <Toadstool> uh only 31 remaining in the list? awesome :)
[05:35] <bddebian> I'm looking at rutilt atm
[05:35] <theCore> debdiff xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu3.dsc xchat_2.6.6-0ubuntu4.dsc | diffstat
[05:35] <theCore>  4 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
[05:35] <theCore> yay!
[05:35] <Toadstool> that's a lot better ;)
[05:38] <bddebian> OK rutilt is broken
[05:39] <Toadstool> fix it! :)
[05:43] <bddebian> I'm trying but I'm dumb :-(
[05:43] <Toadstool> oh come on, you know you're not
[05:44] <bddebian> Nope, it's true :'-(
[05:50] <theCore> should I subscribe motu-sru to bug 57951?
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951
[05:51] <theCore> (xchat)
[05:51] <ajmitch> gah
[05:51] <Toadstool> Looking at backstep right now
[05:52] <ajmitch> I get home & there's about 20 old crappy (pentium) boxes in the living room
[05:52] <Toadstool> heh
[05:52] <Lathiat> what on earth are they for :P
[05:52] <Lathiat> housemate salvaged them for you thinking they might be usefull? :P
[05:52] <ajmitch> Lathiat: my flatmate plans to use them somehow
[05:52] <Lathiat> you can run more avahi scalability tests for me
[05:52] <ajmitch> not for me, I wouldn't use them
[05:52] <ajmitch> haha
[05:52] <Lathiat> apparently 80 UMLs don't like being schedule ALL AT ONCE
[05:52] <Lathiat> on a dual 2.5ghz machine
[05:52] <ajmitch> upgrade
[05:53] <ajmitch> theCore: following the universe SRU process?
[05:53] <Lathiat> i wonder if xen would be more effecient
[05:53] <ajmitch> xen doesn't share memory like UML can
[05:54] <ajmitch> theCore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[05:56] <Lathiat> share memory in what way?
[05:56] <Lathiat> oh
[05:56] <Lathiat> i know what you mean
[05:56] <Lathiat> true that
[05:56] <Lathiat> running 16M umls used far less memory that i thought..
[05:56] <ajmitch> yes
[05:56] <Lathiat> 80 UMLs were using <500M of ram
[05:56] <ajmitch> xen allocates physical RAM
[05:56] <Lathiat> but if i boot it with any less than 16M of ram they wont boot
[05:56] <Lathiat> nod
[05:56] <Lathiat> but i wonder if cpu effeciency would be better
[05:56] <Lathiat>   /network io
[05:56] <ajmitch> should be
[05:57] <ajmitch> but UML+KVM should improve that a lot
[05:57] <ajmitch> less syscall trapping
[06:02] <bddebian> Toadstool: So, you and Hobbsee finish them all already?
[06:03] <Lathiat> yeh didnt have a VT capable machine
[06:03] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no.  keep going.
[06:03] <Lathiat> for KVM
[06:04] <Toadstool> bddebian: er, dunno. I'm sure there are a few more left
[06:08] <LaserJock> go go go!
[06:10] <bddebian> Should I do 67260 or leave it?
[06:10] <LaserJock> bug #67260
[06:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67260 in transcriber "transcriber does not have Menu entry in gnome" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67260
[06:11] <bddebian> Vassilis filed it in Debian too
[06:11] <LaserJock> "I'll forward this to Debian as well, so don't subscribe universe-sponsors just yet."
[06:12] <bddebian> Yeah, well obviously we were subscribed :-)
[06:13] <LaserJock> is there anything in Debian yet?
[06:13] <Toadstool> uhuh, got to go, my girlfriend is getting really angry, I don't want her to throw my laptop away :)
[06:13] <LaserJock> np
[06:13] <Toadstool> see you tommorow
[06:13] <LaserJock> thanks a ton Toadstool
[06:13] <ajmitch> bye Toadstool :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i thought that was my job
[06:15] <Hobbsee> yay, Fujitsu's back.  now go fix those bugs!
[06:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sorry ma'am
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: return to bugfixing.  go on!
[06:21] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, not in Debian yet
[06:22] <LaserJock> I'd go for ith then maybe
[06:22] <LaserJock> we're a bit late to wait for Debian to do it then sync
[06:23] <bddebian> ok
[06:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there are a lot more ubuntu bugs with patches attached than those that have u-u-s subscribed
[06:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:25] <ajmitch> so I guess bddebian still has a few to work on
[06:25] <LaserJock> well, we gotta have something for tomorrow
[06:25] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:25] <ajmitch> bddebian will have done them by then
[06:25] <ajmitch> 1 - 50  of 277 results
[06:25] <ajmitch> think he can get through those? :)
[06:26] <ajmitch> that includes all SRUs in -proposed which are fix committed
[06:27] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:28] <ajmitch> lots of patches which don't help much
[06:28] <LaserJock> well, we need to weed them out anyway :-)
[06:30] <ajmitch> yep
[06:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, I'm waaay behind on the bug stuff this cycle :-(
[06:34] <ajmitch> now is a good time to catch up
[06:37] <bddebian> Gah, stupid Debian tags
[06:42] <theCore> ah done. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]  
[06:43] <theCore> now, I just have to wait
[06:43] <theCore> good night all 
[06:44] <bddebian> Gnight thec... grr
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: which one?  
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Bug #42622.
[06:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42622 in drscheme "Missing .desktop file" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42622
[06:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:58] <bddebian> Gah 1am, gnight folks
[07:23] <imbrandon> hum anyone have access to a box with IE7 on it ?
[07:26] <imbrandon> heh
[07:26] <Hobbsee> only if i reboot
[07:26] <imbrandon> i just wanted soemone to check www.ubuntuwire.com , someone emailed me and said it pukes in ie7 and i have no boxen with ie7
[07:26] <imbrandon> but ie6 and ff seems fine
[07:27] <imbrandon> hell its 99% text dont see how it would puke but oh well ;)
[07:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: is that a bad thing?
[07:28] <imbrandon> hahah well kinda, but not one i'm real real worried about 
[07:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:31] <LaserJock> well, I think I have IE7 installed
[07:31] <LaserJock> I booted into Windows the other day
[07:32] <LaserJock> and it did the "We require proof that this is a real copy of Windows ... and your firstborn"
[07:32] <LaserJock> and then it was like "We notice you are dual booting Ubuntu on this machine ... can we have a copy?"
[07:41] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[07:41] <imbrandon> classic
[07:42] <imbrandon> LaserJock, windows on the MBP or another box?
[07:42] <imbrandon> heh
[07:43] <LaserJock> MBP?
[07:43] <imbrandon> mac book pro
[07:43] <LaserJock> no, I don't have a mac book pro
[07:44] <LaserJock> just an iMac at work
[07:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:44] <LaserJock> this is a toshiba
[08:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Wouldn't it make sense to deliberate block IE users?
[08:01] <Fujitsu> *deliberately
[08:02] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, nah i dont wanna block anyone, if a windows user wants to promote ubuntu , let them
[08:02] <imbrandon> they might dual boot etc
[08:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:03] <imbrandon> i do need to add a capacha though to the signup, although it hasent been abused yet, dosent mean it wont
[08:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: any reasonable person will still be using FF on Windows ;-)
[08:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:33] <dholbach> good morning
[09:33] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[09:34] <dholbach> hiya LaserJock
[09:51] <imbrandon> moins dholbach 
[09:51] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:57] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[09:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you're still around?
[09:59] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, just been out with friends :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> ah
[10:00] <ajmitch> but I have work tomorrow
[10:00] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure how we did with the u-u-s charge
[10:00] <ajmitch> fairly well
[10:00] <LaserJock> I think we got rid of quite a few
[10:00] <LaserJock> it's just a bit hard to tell
[10:00] <ajmitch> from 37 unconfirmed/needs info down to 30
[10:00] <LaserJock> and most of those are Debian tasks
[10:01] <ajmitch> it was down at 27 before, I guess a few were added
[10:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:01] <ajmitch> but the big amount of work will be going through the bugs with patches attached
[10:01] <ajmitch> easy to search for those in malone (select universe, multiverse, with patches attached)
[10:01] <LaserJock> how many were there again?
[10:02] <ajmitch> >270, but there's a lot of duplication
[10:02] <ajmitch> 1 bug with 4 patches shows up 4 times
[10:02] <ajmitch> plus that's all the fix committed SRU work
[10:02] <ajmitch> you want to mail the list about these bug lists?
[10:04] <Ademan> is there an itp for http://spring.clan-sy.com  ?
[10:05] <ajmitch> check the PackageCandidates page on the wiki (iirc)
[10:05] <Ademan> thanks
[10:06] <Ademan> looks as though it makes use of non-free artwork (with GPLed alternatives)
[10:07] <Ademan> may not be as impressive as i had hoped with the "crappy" artwork
[10:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: maybe a MOTU Bug Sprint would be helpful?
[10:08] <ajmitch> we don't use ITPs as such, PackageCandidates is more for reqeusts from users
[10:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: certainly
[10:09] <Ademan> ah, well either way it's in package candidates
[10:09] <Ademan> but it's far past my bedtime, got 4 hours of sleep last night, gnight all
[10:09] <ajmitch> heh ok
[10:11] <LaserJock> hmm, so can I ask for MC decisions on something via email?
[10:12] <ajmitch> sure, why not?
[10:12] <ajmitch> we're not bound to irc
[10:12] <ajmitch> of course there's no MC list yet, but you know our addresses, or could ask on the motu list :)
[10:14] <\sh> moins
[10:14] <LaserJock> well, if we decided on a tag to use there's no reason why we can't start using it for package requests
[10:14] <ajmitch> hey \sh 
[10:14] <ajmitch> sure
[10:15] <LaserJock> I think it'll be another month or so before we get the cool tag preloading
[10:15] <ajmitch> or more
[10:16] <ajmitch> I don't know how long it may take to roll out the new UI
[10:16] <LaserJock> RSN
[10:16] <ajmitch> they were discussing 1.0 being ready by december 2005, iirc ;)
[10:17] <LaserJock> of course
[10:17] <imbrandon> heh
[10:17] <LaserJock> it's a race between LP 1.0 and Etch
[10:17] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock, LOL
[10:17] <ajmitch> they're much closer now
[10:17] <ajmitch> & have a clearer picture of what they need to do
[10:17] <LaserJock> which one?
[10:23] <ajmitch> LP
[10:24] <ajmitch> etch is just bug fixing :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> etch == 2010
[10:24] <Lathiat> haha
[10:24] <LaserJock> I swear they have enough characters
[10:24] <LaserJock> they don't need to drag it out this long ;-)
[10:25] <imbrandon> lol
[10:26] <LaserJock> anybody know how to "go back in time" with SVN?
[10:27] <poningru_> lol
[10:27] <imbrandon> svn --oops 12-3-2006 
[10:27] <imbrandon> just kidding
[10:28] <ajmitch> haha
[10:28] <ajmitch> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.vote/11493
[10:28] <ajmitch> DPL election time
[10:29] <imbrandon> lol
[10:29] <imbrandon> almost as if he is kin to crimsun ;)
[10:30] <LaserJock> lol
[10:30] <LaserJock> "Every time you ask for a pony, a kitten commits suicide. :-) I'll give you a klingon translated Debian Operating Systems book and that's enough, isn't it?"
[10:31] <imbrandon> I know I'm not going to understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the root, and still be afraid of a spider. 
[10:32] <LaserJock> I don't know dude
[10:32] <LaserJock> spiders are creepy
[10:32] <imbrandon> lol
[10:43] <shawarma> imbrandon, LaserJock: That bit of conversation is going on bash.org for sure!
[10:44] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:46] <imbrandon> lol
[10:50] <shawarma> Gah... bash.org: 19753 quotes approved; 7247 quotes pending... It's gonna take forever!
[11:41] <ajmitch> hi herzi 
[11:43] <herzi> hey ajmitch
[11:43] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:44] <ajmitch> haven't seen you round for awhile
[11:44] <herzi> fine, quite busy
[11:44] <ajmitch> :)
[11:44] <ajmitch> I've been doing some work recently on FDS, mainly libraries needed for it
[11:59] <herzi> not active yet, just because noone had time to really start with it
[12:00] <ajmitch> ok
[12:01] <ajmitch> so I don't want to duplicate efforts, been talking with richm who was trying to convert some .spec files
[12:08] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Binary-only uploads? wtF?
[12:09] <Fujitsu> shawarma, that's what I thought.
[12:12] <Fujitsu> Binary-only uploads signed and maintained by the buildd... How odd.
[12:13] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Where do you see them=
[12:13] <shawarma> ?
[12:13] <Fujitsu> shawarma: edgy-changes
[12:14] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh, of course. I'm only subscribed to feisty-changes.
[12:14] <Fujitsu> That'd do it.
[12:15] <shawarma> It's not in the mailing list archive yet. Odd. 
[12:16] <Fujitsu> `Accepted slocate 3.1-1ubuntu0.1 (ia64)'
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Files:
[12:16] <Fujitsu>  9a7a0d2ef7ce95d5d633432886fde122 38704 utils extra slocate_3.1-1ubuntu0.1_ia64.deb
[12:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Normal.
[12:17] <Fujitsu> Since when does Soyuz allow that?
[12:17] <Fujitsu> I've not seen it before...
[12:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Except that the distribution should be autobuild, not edgy
[12:17] <Fujitsu> StevenK, why?
[12:17] <ajmitch> StevenK: uploaded dbmail?
[12:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: It's a sync
[12:18] <ajmitch> even better
[12:18] <Fujitsu> Night, ajmitch.
[12:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Do I subscribe ubuntu-archive myself?
[12:18] <ajmitch> sure
[12:18] <StevenK> Right.
[12:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Sleep well
[12:19] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch 
[12:24] <StevenK> dh_gencontrol -pdrscheme 
[12:24] <StevenK> du: `./usr/share/plt/doc/doc-license.txt': Not a directory
[12:24] <StevenK> dpkg-gencontrol: failure: du in `debian/drscheme' gave error exit status 1
[12:24] <StevenK> ..... Interesting.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Exactly.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Works fine here, but not on x86 buildds.
[12:26] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Beg infinity? Maybe bribe him since you live close-ish? :-)
[12:27] <Fujitsu> I was thinking more along the lines of the former.
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Gah, I would have at least thought that it would be nice and fail on the obscure architectures...
[12:27] <StevenK> Well, it is cheaper.
[12:28] <StevenK> I love it when the uploader builds it sucessfully, uploads it and it only builds on one of the buildds.
[12:28] <StevenK> I've seen that in Debian.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I've done that once. But it failed on the architectures I /didn't/ test.
[12:29] <StevenK> Mmmmm. What did you do to piss Murphy off?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Something big, apparently.
[12:29] <StevenK> Heh. :-P
[12:30] <Fujitsu> Hm, doesn't that error imply that usr/share/plt/doc is a normal file?
[12:30] <white> Fujitsu: did you build with fakeroot or as root?
[12:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: ... maybe
[12:30] <geser> StevenK: xmms2 is even better: it builds in pbuilder and Debian buildds but not on Ubuntu ones
[12:30] <Fujitsu> white, fakeroot.
[12:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You need to reproduce it first.
[12:30] <white> Fujitsu: i am not quite sure if i remember right, but i guess there was a problem with it on alpha and if i built it as root it worked, not with fakeroot as a normal user though
[12:31] <Fujitsu> It takes like 25 minutes to build, so I'll look at it tomorrow.
[12:31] <StevenK> geser: It doesn't count if it doesn't build on any of them. Half a point. :-P
[12:31] <StevenK> This whole school night thing.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> white, I might expect something similar on uncommon architectures.
[12:31] <StevenK> Fujitsu: How many times have you been told to go to bed?
[12:31] <StevenK> :-P
[12:31] <Fujitsu> A few now.
[12:31] <StevenK> Heh
[12:32] <geser> StevenK: does uploading to get hints why it fails on the buildds count?
[12:32] <StevenK> geser: Bwahaha
[12:33] <Fujitsu> geser: Hahah.
[12:33] <StevenK> Although saying I'm a "respected computer  professional
[12:34] <StevenK> " on the phone and then coughing a lot because I don't believe myself won't help. :-P
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Probably not
[12:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: :-)
[12:43] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Aren't you supposed to be in bed?
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[12:43] <Fujitsu> I can't exactly attack you from here, StevenK.
[12:43] <Fujitsu> And I already got rid of the buildds before, so you're safe.
[12:43] <StevenK> Heh
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Building here:
[12:51] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Now you have to share.
[12:51] <Fujitsu> dh_compress -pdrscheme  
[12:51] <Fujitsu> gzip: usr/share/man/man1/drscheme.1 is a directory -- ignored
[12:51] <Fujitsu> dh_compress: command returned error code 512
[12:51] <Fujitsu> make: *** [binary-fixup/drscheme]  Error 1
[12:51] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Does this i386 build have some directory-file duality?
[12:55] <fernando> moin all
[01:14] <Fujitsu> Stupid drscheme. debuild works. pbuilder works. dpkg-buildpackage is currently in progress...
[01:14] <Hobbsee> why are you touching drscheme anyway?
[01:14] <Fujitsu> I was fixing up the .desktop patch.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Anybody got any ideas on how to troubleshoot this build now that it builds using every conceivable method on this machine?
[01:51] <geser> Fujitsu: add some output that helps you to find the problem and re-upload?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> geser, it turns out it's pkg-create-dbgsyms killing it.
[02:29] <tbf> ok, joineded the contributors group... so I am asking the REVU admins here to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring... ;-)
[02:32] <enry> hi. i have a question!
[02:34] <Ursinha> oh... he's gone
[02:36] <\sh> wow...my oracle client package 10.2.0 works on dapper without any problems...cool
[02:36] <enry> excuse me.
[02:37] <enry> i have a problem with creative sb live: only 2 channels are recognized, i have read that probably the problem is driver alsa included in kernel
[02:37] <enry> will this problem be fixed? how can i solve?
[02:39] <tbf> ok, my package hangs arround in ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ now. lets see what happens.
[02:45] <enry> nobody knows if the problem will be fixed?
[03:45] <crimsun> lifeless: retested that apport "issue" with -i810 and -i810-modesetting; turned out to be a red herring. The issues were caused by pulseaudio+esound bad interaction. Have a workaround in place.
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:17] <zul> hah
[04:17] <zul> http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2007/02/28/linux-the-official-os-of-the-axis-of-evil.aspx
[04:24] <\sh> zul: lol
[04:42] <infinito> can anyone point me where to find the python recommended packaging policy? 
[04:43] <bddebian> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ
[04:44] <infinito> bddebian: thanks
[04:45] <bddebian> NP
[04:48] <infinito> should i ise pycentral or pysupport?
[04:52] <bddebian> infinito: I think many are using pycentral these days but I'm not sure what our "policy" about it is
[04:54] <infinito> ok
[05:08] <giftnudel> infinito: funny enough, I asked the same things yesterday ;)
[05:10] <sacater> Adri2000: okay im back...... i have changed the TEA package name and tested it on my system, it works great
[05:25] <infinito> is it possible to get packages on universe before feisty?
[06:00] <siretart> dholbach: re bug #88837, did you forget to put it on 'confirmed' or is something left?
[06:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88837 in soundconverter "UVF exception: soundconverter 0.9.3 -> 0.9.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88837
[06:01] <dholbach> siretart: i think only one person gave the +1, no?
[06:01] <dholbach> siretart: yes, only one +1, needs two
[06:02] <siretart> dholbach: argl. I misread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess that only one +1 was needed. :/
[06:02] <dholbach> ok, np :)
[06:02] <siretart> dholbach: what's the correct quorum? 2 or 3 persons?
[06:03] <dholbach> it needs +2 :)
[06:03] <siretart> k
[06:03] <bddebian> siretart: Me too ;-)
[06:04] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody!
[06:04] <siretart> huhu bddebian 
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool, siretart, dholbach :-)
[06:08] <dholbach> hi bddebian
[06:08] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[06:15] <\sh> guys, if you are a python crack, please tell me something: is it possible to send python objects via tcp, just like java does? if so, is there any tutorial on this? :)
[06:17] <sacater> Adri2000: you here?
[06:17] <Adri2000> yes
[06:17] <Toadstool> \sh: maybe using pickle
[06:18] <sacater> Adri2000: i finished the TEA package, with proper package names i think, i uploaded it to 01welp.co.uk/~sacater/MOTU/finished
[06:19] <sacater> Adri2000: http://01welp.co.uk/~sacater/MOTU/finished/
[06:19] <Adri2000> sacater: I don't care about the binaries, they are built on the buildds. I need the debdiff, diff between the sources packages.
[06:20] <\sh> Toadstool: will have a look :)
[06:20] <sacater> Adri2000: okie
[06:20] <sacater> s
[06:21] <sacater> Adri2000: .dsc right?
[06:22] <Toadstool> \sh: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-pickle.html
[06:22] <Adri2000> sacater: debdiff original.dsc your.dsc
[06:22] <sacater> Adri2000: kk
[06:22] <sacater> !paste | sacater
[06:22] <sacater> whats the paste site
[06:23] <Adri2000> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:23] <lionel> sacater: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:23] <sacater> lionel: ty
[06:24] <sacater> Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8102/
[06:26] <Adri2000> it should be debdiff tea_14.2.4-2.dsc tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1.dsc
[06:27] <siretart> anyone in here knows about project using 'cook'? http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/software/cook/
[06:27] <sacater> Adri2000: so i have the package names messed up
[06:28] <Adri2000> sacater: maybe it would be easier to restart at the beginning
[06:29] <sacater> Adri2000: what should the ubuntu package be called
[06:31] <Adri2000> sacater: download the feisty source package of tea in feisty (14.2.4-2), add your .desktop file in debian/ and edit the .install file, dch -i, write the changelog entry, set the version to 14.2.4-2ubuntu1 and the distro to feisty (NOT unstable), then debuild -S, that will create the new source package, debdiff the two .dsc
[06:31] <sacater> Adri2000: okay.... isnt it meant to be debuild -S -sa?
[06:32] <Adri2000> debdiff tea_14.2.4-2.dsc tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1.dsc > debdiff and upload/paste the file called debdiff somewhere
[06:33] <sacater> Adri2000: how do i change the version name to feity
[06:33] <sacater> feisty*
[06:33] <Adri2000> sacater: -sa means that you want to upload the tarball too, here you only change things in the packaging, it's not a new upstream version. anyway it won't change anything for you since you don't do the actual upload.
[06:33] <Adri2000> sacater: in the changelog
[06:33] <Adri2000> replace unstable with feisty
[06:34] <Adri2000> tsmithe: gpg --edit-key ?
[06:34] <sacater> Adri2000: okay then.... nearyl done
[06:34] <tsmithe> Adri2000, but then what? i want to change the email..
[06:34] <tsmithe> i know i've done it before :S
[06:34] <Adri2000> dunno, man probably knows :)
[06:35] <tsmithe> tried that :P
[06:35] <geser> tsmithe: is the key with that uid already on the keyservers?
[06:35] <sacater> Adri2000: where you said change the distro to feisty (NOT unstable) did you mean it should appear exactly like that, or it should appear as just 'feisty'
[06:35] <tsmithe> geser, hmm yea...
[06:35] <tsmithe> is that bad?
[06:35] <Adri2000> sacater: 'feisty'
[06:35] <sacater> Adri2000: can do
[06:36] <geser> tsmithe: it depends how you see it, you can't delete (or edit) parts of a key once this information is on the keyservers
[06:37] <tsmithe> depends?
[06:37] <tsmithe> how?
[06:37] <geser> tsmithe: you can only revoke that uid and add a new one
[06:37] <tsmithe> cba tbh :P
[06:38] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[06:42] <cbx33> geser, you can update information on keyservers
[06:42] <tsmithe> cbx33, ooh?
[06:42] <cbx33> well i added a second email address to mine and uploaded it
[06:42] <cbx33> I'm sure of it
[06:43] <cbx33> http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=pete+savage&fingerprint=on&op=index
[06:44] <cbx33> yeh i had my gpg key before i got my ubuntu email address
[06:44] <tsmithe> dholbach, ping
[06:45] <dholbach> tsmithe: pong (just about to leave) - make it quick ;-)
[06:45] <tsmithe> dholbach, in ubuntustudio-look (maybe others), you've set Maintainer to a non @ubuntu.com email address, and not followed the spec... why isn't dpkg-source complaining?
[06:46] <geser> cbx33: adding other uid works, but not editing the ones already on the servers or even deleting old uid from keyservers doesn't work
[06:46] <dholbach> tsmithe: that probably was before the dpkg change
[06:46] <tsmithe> dholbach, but it's not complaining now :P
[06:46] <Adri2000> tsmithe: @*ubuntu* should work I think
[06:47] <dholbach> tsmithe: just change it to the motu address (as in the spec) and set cory's adress or whatever address you can agree on as XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[06:47] <tsmithe> i will :)
[06:47] <tsmithe> Adri2000, it doesn't have any ubuntu
[06:47] <tsmithe> it's just weird that it doesn't complain
[06:47] <geser> tsmithe: has the version an ubuntu in it?
[06:47] <tsmithe> ah - no
[06:48] <tsmithe> should it?
[06:48] <dholbach> tsmithe: I guess it didn't complained for me because the change in dpkg-dev was introduced some days ago and I did the packaging before that
[06:48] <dholbach> but anyway... see you guys later
[06:48] <dholbach> tsmithe: see you
[06:48] <tsmithe> dholbach, but i'm building it now :P
[06:48] <tsmithe> dholbach, bye :)
[06:48] <dholbach> rock on
[06:48] <dholbach> ;-)
[06:48] <tsmithe> :D
[06:51] <geser> tsmithe: the package name suggest this package is only useful to Ubuntu and never will be in Debian, so you don't have to have an ubuntu in the version
[06:52] <geser> the check in dpkg-buildpackage checks only for an ubuntu address if there's ubuntu in the version
[06:52] <tsmithe> ah very good
[06:52] <tsmithe> so i don't need to follow the spec either?
[06:53] <sacater> Adri2000: 
[06:54] <sacater> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8105/
[06:54] <sacater> Adri2000: HOPEFULLY i have it right this timne
[06:54] <geser> tsmithe: no, as you don't a Debian maintainer for this package :)
[06:54] <tsmithe> \o/
[07:00] <Adri2000> sacater: feisty lowercase. for the bug you fix, you should use "LP: #nnnnn"
[07:00] <tsmithe> faa la laaa /me's a-pbuilding
[07:00] <Adri2000> sacater: '* Added .desktop file (LP: #nnnnn)"
[07:00] <sacater> Adri2000: okay
[07:02] <Adri2000> sacater: please clean up the debdiff so that it is easier to read, remove the config.sub stuff
[07:02] <sacater> Adri2000: where (LP: #nnnnn) is. Should i put things in #nnnnn
[07:03] <Adri2000> where #nnnnn if the bug number of course
[07:03] <sacater> okies
[07:04] <sacater> and LP should remain as it is
[07:04] <Adri2000> yes, it means Launchpad
[07:04] <sacater> okay
[07:04] <Adri2000> sacater: also, use desktop-file-validate on your .desktop file
[07:04] <sacater> Adri2000: command?
[07:04] <Adri2000> desktop-file-validate
[07:05] <sacater> okies
[07:05] <Adri2000> desktop-file-validate file, as man desktop-file-validate says.
[07:06] <sacater> okies
[07:06] <sacater> its wrong as well :P
[07:06] <sacater> wrong categorie
[07:13] <sacater> Adri2000: Now running lintian...
[07:13] <sacater> E: tea_14.2.4-2ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[07:13] <Adri2000> ignore that.
[07:13] <sacater> Adri2000: thats okay though isnt it?
[07:13] <sacater> thought so
[07:13] <sacater> ty
[07:20] <sacater> Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8107/
[07:23] <sacater> Adri2000: how is it?
[07:23] <Adri2000> sacater: /usr/bin/tea doesn't exist
[07:23] <sacater> how do you mean, on my system
[07:24] <sacater> where is the exact fault
[07:26] <sacater> Adri2000: 
[07:27] <Adri2000> /usr/bin/tea exists on your system?
[07:27] <Adri2000> I have only teaed
[07:29] <sacater> oh
[07:29] <sacater> right
[07:29] <sacater> touche
[07:30] <sacater> Adri2000: but whats wrong with that
[07:30] <sacater> Adri2000: should it be tea or teaed
[07:31] <Adri2000> I don't know why the binary is called teaed
[07:31] <Adri2000> read the changelog maybe
[07:33] <sacater> so why did you complain <Adri2000> sacater: /usr/bin/tea doesn't exist
[07:33] <Adri2000> ...
[07:34] <sacater> Adri2000: its okay anyway, join my channel for a mo
[07:35] <Adri2000> nope, here is fine
[07:35] <sacater> tea (9.0-1) unstable; urgency=high
[07:35] <sacater>   * New upstream release
[07:35] <sacater>   * Split debian/tea.doc-base into two files. Closes: #304444
[07:35] <sacater>   * debian/rules: add --enable-debian to configure options.
[07:35] <sacater>   * Change /usr/bin/tea to /usr/bin/teaed (conflicts with dak package). 
[07:35] <sacater>     Closes: #303352
[07:35] <sacater>   * Upstream applied patch for amd64/gcc-4.0. Closes: #303416
[07:35] <sacater>   * debian/control: add bzip2 & unzip to Recommends field.
[07:35] <sacater>   * remove debian/tea_spell.c.patch since fixed on upstream
[07:35] <sacater> it states it was changed
[07:35] <Adri2000> not fine to flood, though
[07:35] <Adri2000> great
[07:36] <sacater> Adri2000: so what happens to my package now?
[07:36] <sistpoty> hi folks
[07:36] <sacater> sistpoty: hi
[07:36] <sistpoty> hi sacater
[07:37] <Adri2000> sacater: well, just change tea to teaed, I don't see any difficulties here
[07:37] <Adri2000> hi sistpoty
[07:37] <sistpoty> hi Adri2000
[07:38] <sistpoty> motu council finally has his mailing list :)
[07:39] <Adri2000> ah cool, sistpoty: anyone can subscribe?
[07:39] <sacater> Adri2000: when you say change 'tea to tead' what 'tea' i can see several things called 'tea'
[07:40] <sistpoty> Adri2000: it's a public list
[07:40] <Adri2000> ok
[07:41] <sistpoty> Adri2000: however there shouldn't be a need to subscribe to it, since we'll only handle new developer applications and administrativa there. the interesting discussions will still be going on at ubuntu-motu
[07:41] <sistpoty> +@l.u.c
[07:41] <Adri2000> I see
[07:41] <sistpoty> (at least that's the plan *g*)
[07:41] <Adri2000> sacater: /usr/bin/tea -> teaed
[07:41] <sacater> Adri2000: okay,. then ill test it on my system
[07:42] <sacater> Adri2000: you mean in tea.install right
[07:42] <Adri2000> sacater: the icon is still at the same place, so no need to change, but relative path is better than absolute
[07:42] <Adri2000> I'm talking of the .desktop file
[07:43] <sistpoty> siretart, StevenK, crimsun: work for motu-sru: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951
[07:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "[SRU]  xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]  
[07:43] <siretart> wow: 17 dups
[07:43] <sistpoty> huhu siretart btw. ;)
[07:44] <ScottK> Just proves xchat users don't know how to search LP.
[07:44] <sistpoty> lol
[07:45] <siretart> hi sistpoty :)
[07:46] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm a bit confused: how do gconf and dbus relate in that report?
[07:46] <sistpoty> siretart: FWIW gconf isn't involved at all, only dbus.
[07:47] <siretart> sistpoty: aah, and xchat uses dbus only for gconf integration?
[07:47] <siretart> strange
[07:47] <siretart> or is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951/comments/81 just confusing?
[07:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "[SRU]  xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress]  
[07:48] <sistpoty> siretart: yep... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/57951/comments/84
[07:49] <siretart> aaaah. reading helps
[07:49] <sacater> Adri2000: i just wondered, im doing the tea bug, how do i let people know that, so that other MOTUs dont try and to it as well
[07:49] <siretart> approved
[07:51] <sistpoty> siretart: btw. did you decide on LaserJock being a tiber admin yet?
[07:52] <sacater> Adri2000: i just wondered, im doing the tea bug, how do i let people know that, so that other MOTUs dont try and to it as well
[07:53] <LaserJock> sacater: saying so in here is a start :-)
[07:53] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi MOTU Land!!
[07:54] <sacater> NO ONE TOUCH #81456       MINE!!!! :P :P
[07:54] <sacater> LaserJock: seriously, how is it done
[07:54] <LaserJock> that looks pretty good
[07:54] <LaserJock> sacater: you can put a comment on the bug saying you are working on it
[07:55] <sacater> i may have done that....
[07:55] <LaserJock> sacater: you can even assign it to yourself if you want to keep track of bugs you are working on
[07:55] <sacater> LaserJock: can i do that as a simple mentoree
[07:55] <sacater> im not full MOTU
[07:55] <LaserJock> sure
[07:56] <LaserJock> it just means you are responsible for the bug
[07:56] <LaserJock> so don't just assign it to yourself and forget about it
[07:56] <sacater> how do i assign it to myself, i cant see a big button saying it
[07:57] <tsmithe> click on the affects line
[07:58] <sacater> ah ty
[07:59] <siretart> LaserJock: congrats to adminness ;)
[07:59] <siretart> need to leave now, *wave*
[08:00] <LaserJock> siretart: oh, thanks dude
[08:01] <sacater> Adri2000: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8113/
[08:01] <sacater> Adri2000: tell me to god that is CORRECT!
[08:02] <sacater> Adri2000: the desktop file now works also
[08:03] <LaserJock> siretart: I promise I won't break anything ... to much ;-)
[08:04] <cbx33> but LaserJock you're known for break......
[08:04] <cbx33> :p
[08:05] <LaserJock> *cough*
[08:07] <sacater> Adri2000: you here?
[08:08] <LaserJock> MOTUs, we have 7 Unconfirmed u-u-s bugs left
[08:08] <LaserJock> way to go!
[08:08] <LaserJock> let's finish them off today
[08:11] <sacater> LaserJock: you are pretty high up in the MOTU world right?
[08:11] <LaserJock> well, I'm a MOTU and that's about it
[08:12] <LaserJock> we don't have a lot of hierarchy other than we have a MOTU Council, which I am not a part of
[08:12] <LaserJock> anyway, what do you need?
[08:12] <sacater> LaserJock: dont suppose you would be willing to test my tea package
[08:12] <sacater> with menu entry now :P
[08:13] <LaserJock> sacater: have you created a debdiff?
[08:13] <sacater> yes
[08:13] <cbx33> LaserJock, just a MOTU....JUST A MOTU
[08:13] <sacater> let me get the paste
[08:13] <LaserJock> sacater: just attach it to the bug
[08:13] <sacater> LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8113/
[08:13] <sacater> oh ok
[08:13] <sacater> one mo.,.,,
[08:14] <LaserJock> actually, not yet
[08:14] <LaserJock> I spotted a couple things, I'll save you an upload
[08:14] <LaserJock> sacater: is this your first package?
[08:14] <ajmitch> even the motu council isn't exactly 'high up' :)
[08:14] <LaserJock> sure it is ;-)
[08:15] <sacater> LaserJock: yes and no, its my first package that i know WORKS, my other was to so something with gnash, but i may have b0rked that, im gonna try again tomoz
[08:16] <LaserJock> sacater: cool, well you're doing great
[08:16] <sacater> LaserJock: heres the bug, and my debdiff is with it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[08:16] <cbx33> hey ajmitch 
[08:16] <LaserJock> sacater: ok, so first thing is the install file
[08:16] <LaserJock> sacater: you've got debian/tea.desktop /usr/share/applications
[08:16] <sacater> yes
[08:16] <LaserJock> sacater: but you want to drop the first "/" so it becomes debian/tea.desktop usr/share/applications
[08:17] <sacater> ok
[08:17] <sacater> anything else?
[08:17] <LaserJock> sacater: the package is really built in a tmp dir in debian/<packagename>
[08:17] <LaserJock> sacater: so that path really becomes `pwd`/debian/tea/usr/share/applications
[08:17] <sacater> LaserJock: ok, anything else ?? :P
[08:17] <sacater> ouch
[08:18] <LaserJock> you need to get rid of the config.sub stuff
[08:18] <LaserJock> that's created by the clean rule autotools stuf
[08:18] <ajmitch> hi cbx33 
[08:18] <LaserJock> sacater: and easy way to get rid of it is to use filterdiff
[08:18] <sacater> LaserJock: is there a command extension to disable that suring debuild
[08:19] <LaserJock> sacater: if you have the patchutils package installed you can use filterdiff
[08:19] <sacater> LaserJock: whats filterdiff?
[08:19] <sacater> i have that yeah
[08:19] <sacater> how do i use it
[08:19] <sacater> command (extenstions)
[08:20] <LaserJock> I think cat <debdiff> | filterdiff -x *config.sub  might work
[08:21] <LaserJock> replacing <debdiff> with the file name of your debdiff
[08:21] <sacater> ok
[08:22] <sacater> one mo
[08:22] <sacater> ill attach this debdiff to the bug as well
[08:22] <LaserJock> hang on, there's more :-)
[08:23] <LaserJock> does your new debdiff not have the config.sub part now?
[08:23] <ajmitch> steak knives?
[08:23] <LaserJock> 2 bug reports for the price of 1!
[08:24] <LaserJock> and if you call now, we'll throw in a sync request ... absolutely free
[08:24] <LaserJock> and wait! if you call within the next 5 min we'll send you a free gift
[08:24] <sacater> LaserJock: hold on i havnt even run that yet
[08:24] <LaserJock> "How to loose your insanity"
[08:25] <sacater> *sacater calls LaserJock
[08:25] <LaserJock> *sanity
[08:25] <sacater> *Laserjock answears
[08:25] <LaserJock> sacater: ok, let me know if the filterdiff works
[08:25] <sacater> kk
[08:26] <sacater> kk it worked
[08:26] <LaserJock> ok, the last thing is the .desktop
[08:26] <Spec> How do I delete a bzr branch that I've registered under launchpad/
[08:27] <LaserJock> you don't
[08:27] <LaserJock> you mark it obsolete or something
[08:27] <sacater> LaserJock: whats wrong with the .desktop file
[08:27] <Spec> 'Abandoned'?
[08:27] <LaserJock> sacater: you don't need (and in fact it's better) to give an absolute path for the icon
[08:27] <LaserJock> Spec: sounds good to me
[08:28] <LaserJock> sacater: I also wonder about the Categories
[08:28] <sacater> LaserJock: so youre basically telling me that all i did with building, filtering, debdiff was all a waste of time, and i should have done that
[08:28] <sacater> LaserJock: look mate... its running fine on my system under accessories
[08:30] <sacater> LaserJock: should Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/tea.xpm appear as Icon=pixmaps/tea.xpm
[08:30] <LaserJock> sacater: actually it should just be Icon=tea I think
[08:30] <LaserJock> no need for .xpm even
[08:31] <Spec> LaserJock: thanks
[08:31] <LaserJock> sacater: it's just that all the editors I've got have  Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor;
[08:31] <LaserJock> not saying it has to be that, just that's the way I've seen it
[08:32] <LaserJock> sacater: a final thing you can do is run desktop-file-validate tea.desktop
[08:33] <LaserJock> here it complains about the Application category
[08:34] <sacater> LaserJock: okay, but is it okay if i do add the .xpm bit
[08:34] <sacater> LaserJock: just in case
[08:34] <LaserJock> sacater: it's better not to
[08:34] <sacater> if youre sure...
[08:35] <LaserJock> sacater: if later on the icon is provided as a .png or something then the .desktop doesn't have to change
[08:35] <sacater> LaserJock: okay let me rebuild and make you youre debdiff :P
[08:35] <LaserJock> sacater: sorry for the trouble
[08:35] <sacater> LaserJock: no problem, the whole point of me being here is to LEARN :P
[08:36] <LaserJock> you're doing good
[08:36] <sacater> :D
[08:38] <sacater> just to conferm, when i did validate tea.desktop. it said that application was not valid, so i removed it and now its fine
[08:38] <LaserJock> k
[08:39] <cbx33> why is it that oodraw has no desktop entry
[08:40] <sacater> LaserJock: building now....
[08:40] <sacater> cant i just send you the debdiff, its so easier
[08:40] <LaserJock> it's easier than attaching it to the bug?
[08:41] <LaserJock> generally we like to keep things "in the open" so I prefer having the debdiff on Launchpad
[08:41] <LaserJock> but whatever you want
[08:42] <sacater> LaserJock: ok out in the open it is, 
[08:44] <LaserJock> sacater: make sure to debdiff <oldpackage> <newpackage>
[08:44] <sacater> LaserJock: i do :P
[08:44] <sacater> LaserJock: can i do filter on the debdiff as in debdiff <old> <new> | filter
[08:45] <LaserJock> yes
[08:45] <LaserJock> your 2nd debdiff is reversed though
[08:46] <LaserJock> and not actually a debdiff, but a copy of the shell out put ;-)
[08:46] <giftnudel> why do I get access forbidden when trying to download a changes file from revu?
[08:46] <LaserJock> because changes files have gpg signatures
[08:46] <giftnudel> which means what?
[08:47] <sacater> LaserJock: okay
[08:47] <LaserJock> if a package was uploaded by a MOTU there somebody could grab the package+.changes and upload it themselves
[08:47] <LaserJock> to Ubuntu
[08:47] <LaserJock> it's safer if we don't show .changes
[08:48] <sistpoty> giftnudel: .changes files are not part of a source package. they are only useful to determine if an upload is from you or not.
[08:48] <sistpoty> giftnudel: think of them as a ticket
[08:48] <giftnudel> ok, understood
[08:48] <giftnudel> thanks a lot
[08:48] <sistpoty> np
[08:48] <ajmitch> sistpoty!
[08:48] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[08:48] <ajmitch> hey :)
[08:49] <sistpoty> ah... I'm so evil :)
[08:50] <sacater> LaserJock: im uploading the debdiff
[08:50] <sistpoty> https://code.launchpad.net/~revu/+branch/tasks/ubuntu
[08:50] <ajmitch> sistpoty: how evil?
[08:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I've just done a rm -rf on the sftp-server
[08:51] <ajmitch> ooh
[08:51] <ajmitch> with the smart server you won't be able to
[08:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch: however you can still access the branch via http... let's see if I can trick lp into removing that as well
[08:51] <ajmitch> when we initially pushed revu2 to lp, I stuffed it up & had to remove it :)
[08:51] <sistpoty> yep, I remember ;)
[08:52] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:52] <sacater> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456 i called it '3rd'
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[08:55] <sacater> LaserJock: looked at it
[08:58] <LaserJock> sacater: it's still going backwards
[08:59] <sacater> oh
[08:59] <sacater> i put the files in wrong order in debdiff right LaserJock
[09:01] <sacater> LaserJock: 
[09:08] <sacater> LaserJock: 
[09:08] <LaserJock> sacater: what?
[09:09] <sacater> [19:56]  i put the files in wrong order in debdiff right LaserJock
[09:09] <LaserJock> oh sorry, didn't see the ? in that
[09:09] <LaserJock> yes
[09:09] <LaserJock> you did
[09:09] <sacater> okay ill inverse them
[09:11] <superm1> hey guys, a package that we normally pull from debian - but i have an ubuntu patch to add, i'm getting this:dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[09:11] <superm1>  What is the appropriate thing to do?
[09:12] <bddebian> superm1: Change the maintainer
[09:12] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[09:12] <superm1> k thx
[09:14] <superm1> is there a large ubuntu-motu or such mailing list to set it to? i don't think i should put myself
[09:14] <superm1> oh nvm
[09:14] <superm1> i just saw it on the page
[09:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:15] <sistpoty> later folks
[09:19] <sacater> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456 look at the 4th one
[09:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[09:19] <sacater> LaserJock: :P
[09:21] <LaserJock> sacater: so close
[09:22] <LaserJock> we don't want /usr/share/pixmaps/ in Icon=
[09:22] <LaserJock> sacater: I'll just fix that when I go to upload, ok?
[09:22] <sacater> ok
[09:22] <sacater> ok
[09:22] <sacater> no
[09:22] <tsmithe> anyone know when dholbach will be back?
[09:22] <sacater> not okay
[09:22] <sacater> LaserJock: ill do it
[09:22] <tsmithe> and, erm, DON'T REVIEW *UBUNTUSTUDIO* on revu :)
[09:22] <sacater> LaserJock: what do i want in icon :P
[09:23] <LaserJock> Icon=tea
[09:23] <LaserJock> tsmithe: what did you do?
[09:23] <tsmithe> nothing!
[09:23] <tsmithe> they're just erm, a bit broken, and i'm trying to fix
[09:24] <LaserJock> sacater: and there's a sacater@neo:~/tea/compare$  at the bottom of the debdiff
[09:24] <tsmithe> (*blames dholbach*)
[09:24] <sacater> Laserjock, ill get rid of that to
[09:24] <LaserJock> np, if you add a  > to the end of the debdiffing line it'll come out right
[09:25] <LaserJock> so debdiff .... > debdiff.txt
[09:34] <sacater> LaserJock: done! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tea/+bug/81456
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81456 in tea "No menu entry" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[09:34] <sacater> number 5
[09:35] <LaserJock> sacater: now that is a beautiful debdiff
[09:36] <sacater> LaserJock: ALLIEHUYAH!!!!!
[09:36] <sacater> LaserJock: right, now what, we upload my package to universe or something
[09:36] <sacater> LaserJock: do you have jabber?
[09:36] <LaserJock> sacater: sure do
[09:37] <sacater> LaserJock: wanna trade addresses?
[09:37] <LaserJock> launchpad.net/~laserjock has all my info
[09:37] <sacater> LaserJock: in my channel of course
[09:37] <sacater> oh ok
[09:37] <LaserJock> it' my life in a webpage
[09:37] <LaserJock> *it's
[09:38] <sacater> LaserJock: so what happens to my package
[09:39] <LaserJock> sacater: I apply the debdiff, look it over, test it, then upload
[09:40] <sacater> LaserJock: so the .deb files on my PC are never useed
[09:40] <LaserJock> sacater: nope, we do source-only uploads
[09:41] <sacater> LaserJock: okies, i will get credit?
[09:42] <LaserJock> sacater: yeah, I just gotta tweak something real quick
[09:43] <sacater> LaserJock: okies, when will people be able to access it through universe repos
[09:43] <LaserJock> well, kinda depends
[09:44] <LaserJock> right now we are under the Herd5 freeze
[09:44] <LaserJock> so Universe package have to be manually processed
[09:46] <RainCT> Hi, how can I become a MOTU (yes, I know it's explained on wiki, but there are that much pages that I don't know what one I should look :p)?
[09:49] <LaserJock> RainCT: you work and do MOTU work and after a while and you know what you are doing you can apply through the MOTU Council
[09:51] <RainCT> LaserJock: yes read that but how do I get started? just do packages and submit to REVU?
[09:51] <ajmitch> dholbach!!
[09:51] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[09:51] <LaserJock> RainCT: depends on what you want to do
[09:51] <LaserJock> RainCT: right now we aren't accepting brand new package for Feisty
[09:52] <LaserJock> RainCT: we are focused on bug fixing
[09:55] <RainCT> LaserJock: how can I do that (bug fixing)?
[09:56] <LaserJock> RainCT: sorry, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO
[09:56] <RainCT> LaserJock: or do I need programation knowledge for that? (I only know PHP)
[09:58] <tsmithe> dholbach, aha!
[09:58] <tsmithe> sorry to bug you
[09:58] <tsmithe> but... :P
[09:58] <tsmithe> "dpkg: error processing ubuntustudio-sounds_0.1_all.deb (--install):
[09:58] <tsmithe>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/sounds/info.wav', which is also in package ubuntu-sounds"
[09:58] <dholbach> hi tsmithe
[09:58] <dholbach> they need to conflicts
[09:59] <tsmithe> ah ok :)
[09:59] <dholbach> np
[09:59] <tsmithe> also, there are a couple of issues with -theme
[09:59] <tsmithe> we'd like the gtk-2.0/panel stuff to be installed, but when it is, the panel.png file causes issues.
[09:59] <tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8122/ is the patch so far
[09:59] <tsmithe> (also adds murrine as a dependency- is that correct?)
[10:00] <pochu> do you guys know if I can setup an outgoing server for the @ubuntu account?
[10:00] <LaserJock> dholbach: did you know that a tasks product exists in LP?
[10:01] <dholbach> ?
[10:01] <dholbach> I created it
[10:01] <LaserJock> dholbach: so your example branches in ~revu link to a TODO manager ;-)
[10:01] <dholbach> I know
[10:01] <LaserJock> really?
[10:01] <LaserJock> fine then
[10:01] <dholbach> the package is 'tasks'
[10:01] <ajmitch> :)
[10:01] <dholbach> a 'todo manager'
[10:01] <LaserJock> I just thought it was some funky LP think
[10:01] <LaserJock> *thing
[10:01] <RainCT> LaserJock: sorry have to go, thanks
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Hi Toadstool.
[10:03] <Toadstool> hey Fujitsu 
[10:04] <LaserJock> hi guys
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock, everyone else.
[10:04] <Toadstool> be right be, need a whole load of coffee if I dont want to fall asleep on my keyboard (which is not a good idea at work...)
[10:04] <Toadstool> hi LaserJock 
[10:05] <Toadstool> *back
[10:05] <tsmithe> dholbach, (apologies for nagging) - but do you have a suggestion? that patch leads to '/usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:212: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "panel.png"' errors?
[10:05] <pochu> or do I just get a redirection for the incoming mail? <- Adri2000 any idea?
[10:05] <dholbach> tsmithe: no idea (for now), but I'm in a meeting currently
[10:05] <tsmithe> ok thanks :)
[10:05] <dholbach> tsmithe: if until later nobody answered or found it, ask me again
[10:06] <tsmithe> what is "later"?
[10:06] <tsmithe> (so i don't pester until then)
[10:06] <Fujitsu> pochu: @ubuntu.com addresses are just incoming redirects.
[10:07] <dholbach> an hour
[10:07] <tsmithe> right ho
[10:07] <tsmithe> danke
[10:07] <pochu> Fujitsu: ok, ty :)
[10:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: so we have our first candidate for the MC to handle
[10:10] <dholbach> I know
[10:10] <dholbach> very nice :)
[10:10] <dholbach> and even without an announce
[10:10] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Good to see this happening :)
[10:10] <dholbach> but luckily sistpoty will do it
[10:10] <dholbach> it should get widespread attention
[10:10] <dholbach> u-d-announce, fridge-devel, ...
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't motu be made moderated, not restricted?
[10:11] <Fujitsu> (and shouldn't the descriptions be fixed up?)
[10:11] <dholbach> restricted is fine too
[10:11] <dholbach> people should only apply via the list
[10:11] <dholbach> not via LP
[10:11] <Fujitsu> Is that the process now? OK.
[10:11] <dholbach> you always have to handle people who sign up for random teams
[10:11] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Gah, stupid illegal instruction crashes on amd64 on Intel processors. What do we do about them?
[10:12] <Toadstool> who's the first candidate if I may ask? :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> and we'll pass names onto the TB anyway, who can add people to the team
[10:13] <ajmitch> like being able to check over the .diff visually on the web, and browse files
[10:14] <ajmitch> I know there'll be a bzr code browser soon
[10:14] <dholbach> and we could automate that too
[10:14] <dholbach> I think we should rather identify things that block "getting moving"
[10:14] <dholbach> :-)
[10:14] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:14] <ajmitch> "confusion":
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Anybody got an amd64 box with pbuilders that I can use or send stuff to (preferably with an Intel processor)?
[10:19] <Toadstool> AMD64 with an Intel processor? weird :p
[10:21] <GNUro> lo!
[10:21] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:25] <LaserJock> Toadstool: you never know
[10:26] <Fujitsu> Oh dear, I just heard an ABC newsreader use the word `photoshopped' in a news bulletin.
[10:31] <psusi> I can't stand it when they said 'blog' or 'podcast'
[10:31] <psusi> blog sounds like something you do in the bloody bathroom....
[10:31] <ajmitch> they shoudl say "gimped"
[10:34] <dholbach> tsmithe: sorry, I have no clue about how themes and their definitions work
[10:34] <tsmithe> urgh - me neither
[10:34] <dholbach> tsmithe: best to ask ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com for help
[10:34] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[10:34] <dholbach> there are quite a bunch of people who wrote their own themes already
[10:34] <tsmithe> fortunately i'm subscribed there
[10:34] <dholbach> I'm sure somebody will answer
[10:34] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Adobe's trademark policy explicitly forbids the use of it as a verb.
[10:38] <tsmithe> i'll adobe you good Fujitsu 
[10:39] <Fujitsu> I think that's OK. It's just Photoshop that is forbidden.
[10:39] <Fujitsu> I was horrified when I heard it on the news... I didn't think the media would use a word like that.
[10:40] <geser> Fujitsu: ask imbrandon if hood.ubuntuwire.com is ready
[10:40] <Fujitsu> geser: I don't actually need one now. I've found a bug about the issue elsewhere, with a solution. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
[10:42] <tsmithe> Fujitsu, @lart 37
[10:46] <Fujitsu> tsmithe, #-offtopic is where that works.
[10:46] <tsmithe> Fujitsu, but last time i checked you weren't there :P
[10:46] <Fujitsu> This is true.
[10:47] <tsmithe> :)
[10:47] <tsmithe> hence my failure in -au :P
[11:02] <Fujitsu> Gah, stupid unintelligent LP.
[11:02] <Fujitsu> I created an Ubuntu Edgy task via email, but nooo, it had to put it under the Debian one.
[11:03] <Fujitsu> Actually, I don't have the required permissions to add such a task. More bugs!
[11:05] <tsmithe> poor Fujitsu 
[11:05] <Fujitsu> Surely the email interface shouldn't be able to bypass the release management permissions?
[11:06] <dholbach> night folks
[11:06] <sacater> going offline now bye all
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Night dholbach, sacater.
[11:20] <sistpoty> re
[11:21] <Fujitsu> Hi sistpoty.
[11:21] <sistpoty> hi Fujitsu
[11:21] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty 
[11:21] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:25] <sistpoty> Riddell, bddebian, geser, (crimsun): you've been sponsoring uploads for Lure, right? anything you'd like to say regarding his application for motu?
[11:28] <Riddell> sistpoty: yes please, we want him
[11:29] <sistpoty> Riddell: k, thx :)
[11:32] <ajmitch> he was at UDS, wasn't he?
[11:33] <sistpoty> no idea, /me wasn't
[11:35] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: It seems he was there.
[11:36] <sistpoty> ajmitch: what's your opinion?
[11:36] <sistpoty> damn, it's tough to decide *g*
[11:37] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I know he's done plenty of work, and I've seen a bit of it
[11:37] <ajmitch> this is why we can do it by mail, rather than IRC :)
[11:37] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:37] <sistpoty> I guess I'm convinced for a +1 right now already
[11:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that nervous feeling, the sinking feeling in your stomach as you think they're about to decline?
[11:38] <LaserJock> yep
[11:38] <LaserJock> the off-the wall questions
[11:39] <LaserJock> reminds me of my oral exam for PhD candidacy
[11:40] <ajmitch> "what was keybuk's last hair colour?"
[11:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: have you read the application mail? any tough question you'd like to ask him? *g*
[11:40] <ajmitch> (mdz grilling siretart for core-dev)
[11:41] <bddebian> doh
[11:41] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I like that question.
[11:41] <bddebian> Glad I ain't gonna try that again :-)
[11:42] <sistpoty> hehe, I never tried for core-dev
[11:42] <Fujitsu> What's the current policy with regards to bugs assigned to MOTU? Should we unassign if we're making other changes?
[11:43] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: what do you mean with "other changes"?
[11:43] <Adri2000> assign them to you :)
[11:43] <LaserJock> sistpoty: where's the mail?
[11:43] <Fujitsu> Like, I'm changing a bugs to Needs Info. Do we want bugs assigned to MOTU?
[11:44] <sistpoty> LaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000003.html
[11:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you have to, then we'll have 5 core devs on MC :)
[11:44] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I'd rather like to stay the one representing only humble motu's :P
[11:45] <ajmitch> haha
[11:47] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:48] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:48] <Fujitsu> Bye, bddebian.
[11:58] <LaserJock> sistpoty: well, I'd personally ask him about some of the more social aspects
[11:58] <LaserJock> how he feels about reviewing, mentoring, sponsoring
[11:58] <LaserJock> what he adds to the "team"
[11:58] <sistpoty> oh, that's a nice one :)