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| hjmf | asac: I've updated my retrace script to be used with schroot, just in case you want to take a look to it, it's at: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/hjmf/retrace_bug.sh | 08:57 |
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| asac | hjmf: thx ... will take a look | 12:27 |
| asac | hjmf: looks good ... will use it soon :) ... do you have a multi script too or should I integrate this in mine? | 01:39 |
| hjmf | asac: it has already a loop inside to process as much bug numbers you type | 02:24 |
| asac | great | 02:24 |
| hjmf | asac: TODO handle different versions of firefox on feisty (by install / reinstall ff versions) or fire up a second feisty chroot | 02:25 |
| hjmf | retraces on 2.0.0.1 dont work with -dbg 2.0.0.2 | 02:26 |
| asac | hjmf: should we setup an archive where old versions are kept? | 02:27 |
| asac | hjmf: we could accumulate all existing versions for feisty ... edgy et al? | 02:28 |
| hjmf | it could be a good idea, I'm already using the apt cache to install reinstall with dpkg -i /var/... | 02:28 |
| asac | i think we should do it. | 02:28 |
| asac | i already upload preview releases ... if i won't remove those files they will be in our preview archive | 02:28 |
| asac | i just have to remember that I upload final versions as well | 02:29 |
| asac | hjmf: what versions do you have in apt-cache? | 02:29 |
| hjmf | the last ones, let me see... | 02:29 |
| asac | hjmf: .... do we need to install firefox before running apport at all? | 02:29 |
| asac | or will it pull all needed automatically? | 02:30 |
| hjmf | this is what I have to do to retrace 2.0.0.1's | 02:30 |
| hjmf | apt-get remove firefox | 02:30 |
| hjmf | cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 02:30 |
| hjmf | dpkg -i firefox_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-dbg_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-gnome-support_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-themes-ubuntu_0.5.4.1_all.deb mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_all.deb mozilla-mplayer_3.31+main-1ubuntu1_i386.deb sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-11-1ubuntu1_i386.deb | 02:30 |
| asac | ok ... but you have to install those .deb files? | 02:31 |
| hjmf | yes | 02:31 |
| asac | what happens if you run it without any? | 02:31 |
| hjmf | what happened yesterday to me and gnomefreak | 02:31 |
| asac | hmmm but that was with "wrong" package versions ... not without any package right? | 02:32 |
| hjmf | not tested | 02:32 |
| hjmf | should it work? | 02:32 |
| hjmf | w/o any dbg package? | 02:32 |
| asac | maybe it will :) | 02:32 |
| asac | apport pulls needed dbgsym packages automatically | 02:32 |
| hjmf | I'll test it after luch and tell you | 02:32 |
| asac | ty | 02:33 |
| hjmf | luch/lunch | 02:33 |
| asac | i think chances are low ... but if it works, it would help a lot | 02:33 |
| asac | so a test is worth the efford | 02:33 |
| hjmf | afk for a while; in 30' I'll do the test. If it works then great | 02:33 |
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| asac | 30' | 02:40 |
| asac | will be gone for another 2 hours or so | 03:21 |
| hjmf | asac: only could be tested on ff 2.0.0.2 because 2.0.0.1 dbgsym's are no more in pitti's repo and I dont have a local copy | 03:47 |
| hjmf | with ff 2.0.0.2 worked as expected. FF has to be installed (otherwise apport-retrace shows an exception), then if -dbg is not installed the -dbgsym is dowloaded and the retrace is OK | 03:49 |
| hjmf | ... so unless we have a ff 2.0.0.1 dbgsym we'll need to install/reinstall firefox-dbg package | 03:53 |
| hjmf | each time | 03:53 |
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| asac | hjmf: ah ok ... thanks for testing | 06:30 |
| asac | hjmf: i will try to figure out how to gen dbg symbols | 06:30 |
| hjmf | asac: k | 06:30 |
| asac | is it possible to use 2.0.0.1 dbgsym with 2.0.0.2 main binaries? | 06:30 |
| hjmf | that's what I have to test | 06:31 |
| hjmf | I don't have 2.0.0.1 dbgsym | 06:31 |
| asac | i guess it will automatically pull the one that corresponds to current install | 06:31 |
| asac | hmm | 06:31 |
| asac | i will figure out how go gen | 06:31 |
| asac | maybe i can then regen | 06:31 |
| asac | at least i should be able to build 2.0.0.1 | 06:31 |
| hjmf | if you can, tell me and I'll test a retrace | 06:32 |
| asac | hjmf: btw, where are you from ... europe? | 06:32 |
| hjmf | spain | 06:32 |
| asac | ah ... good ... finally someone from my timezone ;) | 06:33 |
| hjmf | :) | 06:33 |
| asac | where are you in spain? | 06:33 |
| hjmf | valencia | 06:33 |
| asac | how is living there? | 06:33 |
| hjmf | where are you from? which part of germany? | 06:33 |
| hjmf | asac: great, today 24C | 06:34 |
| hjmf | spring time :)) | 06:34 |
| asac | hehe | 06:34 |
| asac | we had some sun today too | 06:34 |
| asac | but not as hot :) | 06:34 |
| asac | and living costs ... are appartments as expensive as in barcelona? | 06:34 |
| hjmf | must say that this is not usual for march | 06:34 |
| asac | yeah ... climate changes | 06:35 |
| hjmf | yes, too expensive. from 10 years to now | 06:35 |
| hjmf | it has increased a lot the cost of living | 06:35 |
| hjmf | thinking of renting a house in alicante? | 06:36 |
| hjmf | there are many germans there :) | 06:36 |
| asac | sure ... euro zone ... people want to live at the sea :) ... anyway, how much is a flat in a young-people quarter for 60 square meters? | 06:36 |
| asac | no | 06:36 |
| asac | would like to live there | 06:36 |
| asac | in barcelona ... i always thought | 06:36 |
| asac | at least for a year or so | 06:36 |
| hjmf | I was born in barcelona | 06:37 |
| hjmf | depends on the appartment but if you find one it should be around 500euros month | 06:37 |
| hjmf | a normal one | 06:37 |
| asac | ah ... thats not that bad | 06:38 |
| asac | is it true that spanish people usually don't rent, but buy | 06:38 |
| asac | ? | 06:38 |
| hjmf | I was going to say that | 06:38 |
| asac | really? | 06:38 |
| hjmf | It is very rare here to pay a rent | 06:38 |
| asac | i heard that that is the main reason why market for renting is so tight | 06:38 |
| asac | crazy | 06:38 |
| asac | yeah ... and how much would a flat be? | 06:39 |
| hjmf | well we think that buying is a way of investment | 06:39 |
| asac | maybe i should then look for buying :) | 06:39 |
| asac | yeah ... probably right ... if you look at how real estate developed it was a really good investment i guess | 06:40 |
| hjmf | buying a flat is around 40000 euros | 06:40 |
| hjmf | and growing | 06:40 |
| hjmf | I'm talking about the outside. not the city center | 06:41 |
| asac | ah ... for me only city center makes sense | 06:41 |
| asac | :) | 06:41 |
| asac | i hate the outside :) | 06:41 |
| hjmf | I guess that barcelona's city center is prohibitive | 06:42 |
| asac | at least there should be several cafes and bars for night right next to me ... and shopping places ... and not too far from beach ;) | 06:42 |
| hjmf | well here that's on every where. till very late :)) | 06:42 |
| hjmf | we are talking about spain | 06:43 |
| asac | yeah :) | 06:43 |
| hjmf | we do siesta for going to bed at night really late :) | 06:43 |
| asac | i plan to look at next holiday :) ... but still i think for me "quite close to city center" important ... i need good public transport connections to everywhere, because I HATE driving cars :) | 06:45 |
| asac | i am infact not a normal german ... others are usually car fanatics here ... for me its just traffic jams and pollution :) | 06:46 |
| asac | but still ... lets see :) ... do you speak catalan in valencia too? or "plain" spanish? | 06:47 |
| hjmf | I don't like cars too, but I love driving :) | 06:47 |
| hjmf | both | 06:47 |
| hjmf | but we call here valenciano, not catalan | 06:47 |
| asac | oh ... another derivate :) | 06:47 |
| hjmf | yes | 06:48 |
| asac | so you mix up both languages ... or in what occasions do you speak which? | 06:48 |
| hjmf | never got mixed, | 06:48 |
| hjmf | I guess that that only depends to who are you talking | 06:49 |
| hjmf | If the other person speaks valenciano you talk to him in that language | 06:50 |
| asac | ah ... but you start in spanish if you speak to a not-yet-known person? | 06:50 |
| hjmf | That's the usual way here. Maybe in catalonia is the opposite :) | 06:51 |
| asac | we have dialects in different regions ... i cannot understand if a bavarian starts brabbling right away ... but we still have just one language ... so i find it an interesting phenomenon that you keep clean languages and that they don't really mix up / get melted on the long run | 06:52 |
| hjmf | In fact there are more dialects in catalan than in spanish | 06:53 |
| asac | yeah ... probably you have a quite strong regional-language-patriotism around :) | 06:54 |
| hjmf | it's difficult to explain | 06:54 |
| asac | maybe even diffucult to investigate ... probably a good field for linguistic research :) | 06:54 |
| hjmf | or politics..... jocking | 06:55 |
| hjmf | joking | 06:55 |
| hjmf | It's something I don't really care. But here for many people this is an issue | 06:57 |
| asac | how comes that catalonia is spain at all? | 06:57 |
| asac | has there been wars over it in the past? | 06:57 |
| asac | sorry, but i lack details on spanish history i guess :) | 06:57 |
| hjmf | no, just in 14xx they both mixed | 06:57 |
| hjmf | too long time to be now an issue | 06:58 |
| asac | in germany there have been many wars ... in 19th century they were still a lot of small kingdoms | 06:58 |
| asac | that fought | 06:58 |
| asac | hjmf: yeah | 06:58 |
| asac | should not be an issue at all imo | 06:58 |
| asac | wars for territory are just stupid | 06:58 |
| hjmf | agree | 06:58 |
| asac | actually we have europe | 06:59 |
| hjmf | true, to me nacionalism is ridiculous | 06:59 |
| asac | for me each nation having his own military is only a waste of resources :) | 06:59 |
| hjmf | whatever nacionalism | 06:59 |
| hjmf | agree | 06:59 |
| asac | ok ... so need to argue with you i guess :) | 07:00 |
| hjmf | :) | 07:01 |
| asac | s/so/no/ of course | 07:01 |
| hjmf | understood :)) | 07:01 |
| hjmf | asac: time to go for shopping with my family. Maybe be online later | 07:02 |
| hjmf | cu | 07:02 |
| asac | cu | 07:02 |
| asac | have a nice evening | 07:02 |
| asac | @schedule berlin | 07:06 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 18:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 19:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 22:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 19:00: Mozilla Team | 07:06 |
| asac | @schedule madrid | 07:07 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 18:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 19:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 22:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 19:00: Mozilla Team | 07:07 |
| asac | same time ... why is there a different time zone name for it? | 07:07 |
| asac | hmm | 07:07 |
| asac | maybe different daylight saving | 07:07 |
| poningru | @schedule New_York | 07:10 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 01 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 12:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 13:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 10:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 13:00: Mozilla Team | 07:10 |
| Majost | I have a question about the packages... | 08:08 |
| Majost | there is mozilla-firefox which states it is a transition package, and firefox... correct? | 08:09 |
| Majost | Question really is, which way is it transitioning to? | 08:09 |
| asac | mozilla- | 09:16 |
| asac | can be removed | 09:16 |
| asac | if that is what you ask | 09:16 |
| asac | Majost: ^^ | 09:16 |
| asac | transitional packages always transition to their depends | 09:17 |
| asac | so .. firefox is the real package | 09:17 |
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