[08:57] <hjmf> asac: I've updated my retrace script to be used with schroot, just in case you want to take a look to it, it's at: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/hjmf/retrace_bug.sh
[12:27] <asac> hjmf: thx ... will take a look
[01:39] <asac> hjmf: looks good ... will use it soon :) ... do you have a multi script too or should I integrate this in mine?
[02:24] <hjmf> asac: it has already a loop inside to process as much bug numbers you type
[02:24] <asac> great
[02:25] <hjmf> asac: TODO handle different versions of firefox on feisty (by install / reinstall ff versions) or fire up a second feisty chroot
[02:26] <hjmf> retraces on 2.0.0.1 dont work with -dbg 2.0.0.2
[02:27] <asac> hjmf: should we setup an archive where old versions are kept?
[02:28] <asac> hjmf: we could accumulate all existing versions for feisty ... edgy et al?
[02:28] <hjmf> it could be a good idea, I'm already using the apt cache to install reinstall with dpkg -i /var/...
[02:28] <asac> i think we should do it.
[02:28] <asac> i already upload preview releases ... if i won't remove those files they will be in our preview archive
[02:29] <asac> i just have to remember that I upload final versions as well
[02:29] <asac> hjmf: what versions do you have in apt-cache?
[02:29] <hjmf> the last ones, let me see...
[02:29] <asac> hjmf: .... do we need to install firefox before running apport at all?
[02:30] <asac> or will it pull all needed automatically?
[02:30] <hjmf> this is what I have to do to retrace 2.0.0.1's
[02:30] <hjmf> apt-get remove firefox
[02:30] <hjmf> cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:30] <hjmf> dpkg -i firefox_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-dbg_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-gnome-support_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb firefox-themes-ubuntu_0.5.4.1_all.deb mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_2.0.0.1+1-0ubuntu1_all.deb mozilla-mplayer_3.31+main-1ubuntu1_i386.deb sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-11-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:31] <asac> ok ... but you have to install those .deb files?
[02:31] <hjmf> yes
[02:31] <asac> what happens if you run it without any?
[02:31] <hjmf> what happened yesterday to me and gnomefreak
[02:32] <asac> hmmm but that was with "wrong" package versions ... not without any package right?
[02:32] <hjmf> not tested
[02:32] <hjmf> should it work?
[02:32] <hjmf> w/o any dbg package?
[02:32] <asac> maybe it will :)
[02:32] <asac> apport pulls needed dbgsym packages automatically
[02:32] <hjmf> I'll test it after luch and tell you
[02:33] <asac> ty
[02:33] <hjmf> luch/lunch
[02:33] <asac> i think chances are low ... but if it works, it would help a lot
[02:33] <asac> so a test is worth the efford
[02:33] <hjmf> afk for a while; in 30' I'll do the test. If it works then great
[02:40] <asac> 30'
[03:21] <asac> will be gone for another 2 hours or so
[03:47] <hjmf> asac: only could be tested on ff 2.0.0.2 because 2.0.0.1 dbgsym's are no more in pitti's repo and I dont have a local copy
[03:49] <hjmf> with ff 2.0.0.2 worked as expected. FF has to be installed (otherwise apport-retrace shows an exception), then if -dbg is not installed the -dbgsym is dowloaded and the retrace is OK
[03:53] <hjmf> ... so unless we have a ff 2.0.0.1 dbgsym we'll need to install/reinstall firefox-dbg package
[03:53] <hjmf> each time
[06:30] <asac> hjmf:  ah ok ...  thanks for testing
[06:30] <asac> hjmf: i will try to figure out how to gen dbg symbols
[06:30] <hjmf> asac: k
[06:30] <asac> is it possible to use 2.0.0.1 dbgsym with 2.0.0.2 main binaries?
[06:31] <hjmf> that's what I have to test
[06:31] <hjmf> I don't have   2.0.0.1 dbgsym
[06:31] <asac> i guess it will automatically pull the one that corresponds to current install
[06:31] <asac> hmm
[06:31] <asac> i will figure out how go gen
[06:31] <asac> maybe i can then regen
[06:31] <asac> at least i should be able to build 2.0.0.1
[06:32] <hjmf> if you can, tell me and I'll test a retrace
[06:32] <asac> hjmf: btw, where are you from ... europe?
[06:32] <hjmf> spain
[06:33] <asac> ah ... good ... finally someone from my timezone ;)
[06:33] <hjmf> :)
[06:33] <asac> where are you in spain?
[06:33] <hjmf> valencia
[06:33] <asac> how is living there?
[06:33] <hjmf> where are you from? which part of germany?
[06:34] <hjmf> asac: great, today 24C
[06:34] <hjmf> spring time :))
[06:34] <asac> hehe
[06:34] <asac> we had some sun today too
[06:34] <asac> but not as hot :)
[06:34] <asac> and living costs ... are appartments as expensive as in barcelona?
[06:34] <hjmf> must say that this is not usual for march
[06:35] <asac> yeah ... climate changes
[06:35] <hjmf> yes, too expensive. from 10 years to now
[06:35] <hjmf> it has increased a lot the cost of living
[06:36] <hjmf> thinking of renting a house in alicante?
[06:36] <hjmf> there are many germans there :)
[06:36] <asac> sure ... euro zone ... people want to live at the sea :) ... anyway, how much is a flat in a young-people quarter for 60 square meters?
[06:36] <asac> no
[06:36] <asac> would like to live there
[06:36] <asac> in barcelona ... i always thought
[06:36] <asac> at least for a year or so
[06:37] <hjmf> I was born in barcelona
[06:37] <hjmf> depends on the appartment but if you find one it should be around 500euros month
[06:37] <hjmf> a normal one
[06:38] <asac> ah ... thats not that bad
[06:38] <asac> is it true that spanish people usually don't rent, but buy
[06:38] <asac> ?
[06:38] <hjmf> I was going to say that
[06:38] <asac> really?
[06:38] <hjmf> It is very rare here to pay a rent
[06:38] <asac> i heard that that is the main reason why market for renting is so tight
[06:38] <asac> crazy
[06:39] <asac> yeah ... and how much would a flat be?
[06:39] <hjmf> well we think that buying is a way of investment
[06:39] <asac> maybe i should then look for buying :)
[06:40] <asac> yeah ... probably right ... if you look at how real estate developed it was a really good investment i guess
[06:40] <hjmf> buying a flat is around 40000 euros
[06:40] <hjmf> and growing
[06:41] <hjmf> I'm talking about the outside. not the city center
[06:41] <asac> ah ... for me only city center makes sense
[06:41] <asac> :)
[06:41] <asac> i hate the outside :)
[06:42] <hjmf> I guess that barcelona's city center is prohibitive
[06:42] <asac> at least there should be several cafes and bars for night right next to me ... and shopping places ... and not too far from beach ;)
[06:42] <hjmf> well here that's on every where. till very late :))
[06:43] <hjmf> we are talking about spain
[06:43] <asac> yeah :)
[06:43] <hjmf> we do siesta for going to bed at night really late :)
[06:45] <asac> i plan to look at next holiday :) ...  but still i think for me "quite close to city center" important ... i need good public transport connections to everywhere, because I HATE driving cars :)
[06:46] <asac> i am infact not a normal german ... others are usually car fanatics here ... for me its just traffic jams and pollution :)
[06:47] <asac> but still ... lets see :) ... do you speak catalan in valencia too? or "plain" spanish?
[06:47] <hjmf> I don't like cars too, but I love driving :)
[06:47] <hjmf> both
[06:47] <hjmf> but we call here valenciano, not catalan
[06:47] <asac> oh ... another derivate :)
[06:48] <hjmf> yes
[06:48] <asac> so you mix up both languages ... or in what occasions do you speak which?
[06:48] <hjmf> never got mixed,
[06:49] <hjmf> I guess that that only depends to who are you talking
[06:50] <hjmf> If the other person speaks valenciano you talk to him in that language
[06:50] <asac> ah ... but you start in spanish if you speak to a not-yet-known person?
[06:51] <hjmf> That's the usual way here. Maybe in catalonia is the opposite :)
[06:52] <asac> we have dialects in different regions ... i cannot understand if a bavarian starts brabbling right away ... but we still have just one language ... so i find it an interesting phenomenon that you keep clean languages and that they don't really mix up / get melted on the long run
[06:53] <hjmf> In fact there are more dialects in catalan than in spanish
[06:54] <asac> yeah ... probably you have a quite strong regional-language-patriotism around :)
[06:54] <hjmf> it's difficult to explain
[06:54] <asac> maybe even diffucult to investigate ... probably a good field for linguistic research :)
[06:55] <hjmf> or politics..... jocking
[06:55] <hjmf> joking
[06:57] <hjmf> It's something I don't really care. But here for many people this is an issue
[06:57] <asac> how comes that catalonia is spain at all?
[06:57] <asac> has there been wars over it in the past?
[06:57] <asac> sorry, but i lack details on spanish history i guess :)
[06:57] <hjmf> no, just in 14xx they both mixed
[06:58] <hjmf> too long time to be now an issue
[06:58] <asac> in germany there have been many wars ... in 19th century they were still a lot of small kingdoms
[06:58] <asac> that fought
[06:58] <asac> hjmf: yeah
[06:58] <asac> should not be an issue at all imo
[06:58] <asac> wars for territory are just stupid
[06:58] <hjmf> agree
[06:59] <asac> actually we have europe
[06:59] <hjmf> true, to me nacionalism is ridiculous
[06:59] <asac> for me each nation having his own military is only a waste of resources :)
[06:59] <hjmf> whatever nacionalism
[06:59] <hjmf> agree
[07:00] <asac> ok ... so need to argue with you i guess :)
[07:01] <hjmf> :)
[07:01] <asac> s/so/no/ of course
[07:01] <hjmf> understood :))
[07:02] <hjmf> asac: time to go for shopping with my family. Maybe be online later
[07:02] <hjmf> cu
[07:02] <asac> cu
[07:02] <asac> have a nice evening
[07:06] <asac> @schedule berlin
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 18:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 19:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 22:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 19:00: Mozilla Team
[07:07] <asac> @schedule madrid
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 18:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 19:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 22:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 19:00: Mozilla Team
[07:07] <asac> same time ... why is there a different time zone name for it?
[07:07] <asac> hmm
[07:07] <asac> maybe different daylight saving
[07:10] <poningru> @schedule New_York
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 01 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Mar 12:00: Colorado LoCo Team IRC Meeitng | 04 Mar 13:00: Georgia LoCo Team | 05 Mar 10:00: Kernel Team | 05 Mar 16:00: Scribes Team | 06 Mar 13:00: Mozilla Team
[08:08] <Majost> I have a question about the packages...
[08:09] <Majost> there is mozilla-firefox which states it is a transition package, and firefox... correct?
[08:09] <Majost> Question really is, which way is it transitioning to?
[09:16] <asac> mozilla-
[09:16] <asac> can be removed
[09:16] <asac> if that is what you ask
[09:16] <asac> Majost: ^^
[09:17] <asac> transitional packages always transition to their depends
[09:17] <asac> so .. firefox is the real package