[12:38] <a5benwillis> can anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[12:38] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.
[12:46] <chino> LaserJock:  yes esactlly... i really think these IT guys at these schools dont know what there doing... this one guy had macs setup and said he loved it and unbreakable and that the winxp boxes got destroyed constantly... but the school district bought a whole bunch of cheap dells... so why dont i walk in and run a edbuntu live cd and show him what thin clients are all about and how it looks just as good at mac works just as good and the thin client has se
[12:49] <cliebow> or an ltsp live cd hooked to your lappie
[12:54] <a5benwillis> chino: I dont appreciate that remark. Im an IT guy at a school.
[12:55] <chino> heh ;] 
[12:55] <chino> some IT guys
[12:56] <a5benwillis> One reason I don't use overpriced 'contractors' like you is because you think you know more than you do.
[12:56] <cliebow> i also am an it guy at school 8~)
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Yet yocan anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[12:57] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.guys to ask you questions.u come here, where monst of use ARE school IT
[12:57] <a5benwillis> .
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Well that didnt come out right.
[12:57] <a5benwillis> .
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Yet you come here, where monst of use ARE school IT guys to ask your questions.
[12:58] <a5benwillis> .
[12:58] <a5benwillis> <--- steps OFF soapbox :-)
[01:18] <a5benwillis> Hi ogra!
[01:23] <a5benwillis> can anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[01:24] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in etc.
[01:24] <LaserJock> a5benwillis: you really might have a better time emailing the edubuntu-users list
[01:24] <LaserJock> rather than posting in here every half hour
[01:24] <a5benwillis> I just emailed the ltsp list.
[01:24] <LaserJock> cool
[01:24] <a5benwillis> LOL, sorry....
[01:25] <LaserJock> it's not a problem, I just don't want you to get too frustrated waiting for an answer here
[01:25] <a5benwillis> you guys are usually ready to talk about this stuff though. Its been a slow day here.
[01:25] <LaserJock> yep, it is some days
[01:25] <a5benwillis> I do ask a lot of questions. But I usualy search the net in every possible way first.
[01:26] <a5benwillis> cliebow's just been letting me down today. No helpful answers at all!
[01:35] <cliebow>  out of my league...
[01:36] <LaserJock> heh
[01:36] <LaserJock> I'm no help at all
[01:36] <cliebow> just havnt had it in production long enough to pull myself out by the bootstraps
[01:36] <LaserJock> one of these days I'll actually have to do a LTSP setup
[01:37] <cliebow> ive just been *alls to the wall keeping everyting else up..
[01:38] <a5benwillis> just giving you a hard time :)
[01:39] <cliebow> my one ubuntu/4.2 setup i havnt touched for six weeks..just "works" in a fifth grade class with a clueless teacher..
[01:40] <cliebow> two more edubuntu schools just waiting for a reason to put it in service
[01:41] <a5benwillis> cliebow: Shouldnt be long now for me to get a pilot in place. I just need to make sure that all the bells and wistles are in place.
[01:41] <cliebow> and there is cave hill started with libranet and ltsp ..moved to rh two years ago for the whole school
[01:41] <a5benwillis> Have you added any other software?
[01:41] <cliebow> at least he oones you know about NOW
[01:42] <cliebow> oh lord..tux*..ldap..
[01:42] <a5benwillis> Editing art Now to customize per school :-)
[01:42] <a5benwillis> .
[01:42] <cliebow> art?
[01:42] <a5benwillis> Like the log in  text etc.
[01:43] <a5benwillis> Adding the school name to the logos.
[01:43] <cliebow> ohhh i see..
[01:43] <cliebow> yes..i had an eagle on mine...prob two years since reinstall i havnt stuck it back in there
[02:05] <chino> a5benwillis:  who said im overpriced... who said i think i know things... only thing i said was i wanted to help companies mover over... jerk
[02:07] <chino> a5benwillis:  get off your high horse just cause i made one statement... there is 32 poeple in here out of the entire planet.... and i meant nothing against you ...
[02:10] <chino> you guys obviously would be the type i like... ffs
[02:11] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kopete at Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft...
[02:15] <a5benwillis> chino: I just took offense at your generalization of "IT guys in schools" and made my own geralization. Lets just leave it at that/
[02:15] <chino> yea im sorry for doing that
[02:16] <a5benwillis> that being said, you are right. Edubuntu would be great if pitched properly to school districts without the in house knowledge to do their own pilot.
[02:16] <chino> but just the ones "i" know are nice guys but either thrown into the job and never wanted it and dont know what to do or ... like the other example i made, would rather use mac but got stuck with dells and xp, and doens't know what he could have
[02:17] <chino> id really just like to consult and make some extra bucks helping the converngence
[02:17] <chino> im tired of sitting around waiting for the change when i look around me and i could help the desktop change towards linux more
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I just battled throught intergrating Edubuntu and Netware authentication in my environment.
[02:18] <chino> and ubuntu is looking to be the best desktop linux for regular people
[02:18] <chino> yea thats a big thing that novell merging with suse is gonna help
[02:18] <chino> have they not released their products outside of suse ?
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I love ubuntu, use it as my primary workstation everyday. I manage 6000+ clients and 16000 users.
[02:19] <chino> idk i tried it once when it was first starting to get notice and the whole sudo thing smacked me in the face and i said ... yea its good desktop very easy but being a linux guy id rather stick iwth my slackware that i know and doens't use sudo which i thought wasn't that hot of any idea
[02:20] <chino> but reading more and more about it now over the last 2 years and just seeing how many things work out of the box and how they are improving usuability is making me about to install it again on another box
[02:20] <chino> because running slackware on a desktop is more work than i have time to deal with these days
[02:21] <chino> plus i realy wonna see beryl in action without recompiling x lol
[02:21] <chino> so you run thin clients in your school
[02:21] <chino> ?
[02:21] <a5benwillis> I love my beryl on ubuntu.
[02:22] <chino> well tel lyou truth i doubt the thin clients need such a full blown desktop with beryl
[02:22] <cliebow> i use a little slack..some rh ubuntus breezy up..i had a bad exp with breezy at first..with network-admin  in particular..
[02:22] <a5benwillis> With twin 22" lcd's its great to have all of the workspace room
[02:22] <chino> im hoping edbuntu supports clean low footprint desktops that have ability to load apps as they need it
[02:22] <cliebow> i use all dumpster dive stuff..monitors good for only 800x600
[02:23] <chino> i just have to ask... isn't the whole sudo thing... opening the desktop for malicious programs that can simply run "sudo" to get root rights ?
[02:23] <cliebow> thin clinets  the state condemned
[02:23] <chino> what ?
[02:24] <cliebow> sudo is fine..just set a root pw if you need to..or it becomes a real pain in thebackside
[02:24] <a5benwillis> or do sudo -i
[02:25] <chino> i haven't even realy looked into it but as far as i know any user on unbuntu can just sudo away and do anything right
[02:25] <chino> ?
[02:25] <cliebow> plus you cant just sudo unless part of admin group
[02:26] <chino> i just dont want linux desktops to make mistakes and open the door for infections... users on unix type systems can allways install applications locally... what reason do they really need to ever be root ... except for the admin ?
[02:26] <cliebow> ubuntu is at least as secure as slack'
[02:26] <chino> im not doubting that im just asking
[02:26] <cliebow> sudo is a very controoled apparatus
[02:26] <LaserJock> chino: newly created users aren't given admin right by default
[02:26] <LaserJock> chino: only the initially set up user does
[02:27] <cliebow> only the user that created the install is given sudo..
[02:27] <chino> so a5benwillis are you using thin clients in your setup or do you do mass installs remotely ?
[02:27] <a5benwillis> thin clients
[02:27] <a5benwillis> old machines
[02:27] <a5benwillis> etc
[02:27] <cliebow> chino: i have a hundred thins in the high school..never more than 40 on at a timew
[02:28] <chino> cliebow:  yea well ok so lets so joe shmo sets up his new crispy unbuntu box and keeps using his main user name al the time ... hes the main user of the pc... and he doens't know any better becuase hes just joe shmoe... so he runs a program or installer that takes advantage of the sudo...  is that not what could happen ?
[02:29] <chino> a5benwillis:  what about login... are users just using guest accounts or do you have the server piped into some central authentication system ?
[02:29] <cliebow> the installer with sudo privs could do anything. no one else cold do squat
[02:29] <a5benwillis> they are authenticated via Netware NDS servers. Theyre home directories are also mapped at login so nothing is stored ont he ltsp server.
[02:29] <cliebow> new users have few priviledges
[02:29] <chino> cliebow:  yes but joe shmoe at home installed the system so he has sudo
[02:30] <LaserJock> chino: he has sudo rights, not root rights
[02:30] <LaserJock> chino: so if something needs to be run as root it asks him for a password
[02:30] <a5benwillis> chino: In ubuntu you do log in as the first user. Its a little different that regular nix
[02:30] <chino> a5benwillis:  yes thats what i was thinking of setting up... so you chose to support netware because your current infrastructure allready had it in place ?
[02:30] <cliebow> sure ..he has right to do anything..but sp doew the installer of slack ..or redhat..
[02:30] <a5benwillis> its like debian or freebsd even.
[02:31] <chino> LaserJock:  oya you can setup a password sorry i forgot... but is that on by deafult ? does the installer warn at least ?
[02:31] <a5benwillis> chino: Yes we are a BIG netware shop with windows workstations.
[02:31] <LaserJock> cliebow: right, but sudo is quite a bit better than running as root
[02:31] <LaserJock> chino: what?
[02:31] <cliebow> yes..agreed
[02:31] <LaserJock> sorry that was for chino
[02:31] <a5benwillis> also theres more control with sudo, with sudoers etc
[02:31] <chino> a5benwillis:  so how is the performance using roaming profiles ?
[02:31] <LaserJock> say you want more than one person admining a box
[02:32] <LaserJock> with a root account you would have to give the root password to all admins
[02:32] <chino> a5benwillis:  so does novel for linux also have a new login manager that controls the whole loggin business like it did on windows boxes /
[02:32] <cliebow> chino: we limit roaming to just Desktop and My zDocs
[02:32] <chino> LaserJock:  yes i get it you convinced me
[02:32] <LaserJock> with sudo there is no root password
[02:32] <a5benwillis> chino: I didnt use anything from Novel for this.
[02:32] <LaserJock> it's also logged
[02:33] <chino> a5benwillis:  oh there is open source programs for novel support ? didn't ever look into it..
[02:33] <LaserJock> so you know *who* is running *what* as root
[02:33] <cliebow> b ut ldap rocks 8`)
[02:33] <cliebow> LaserJock, ood point
[02:33] <cliebow> good even
[02:33] <chino> i think today most clients i have seen are running windows domains for central logins though... so i was thinking for that type of setup to setup the thin client image to use ldap for authentication to connect to the ms domain server
[02:34] <cliebow> yecch
[02:34] <cliebow> why mix the evil empire in?
[02:34] <chino> because thats life...
[02:34] <LaserJock> chino: we are working on LDAP support
[02:34] <cliebow> no..but ldap does it all
[02:34] <a5benwillis> I also have a MS AD Domain. But my file servers are NDS so I chose to leverage off of those. In the end I think that there are far fewer steps this way that using LDAP.
[02:34] <chino> LaserJock:  i have allready setup a linux box to login to a ldap server ... so do what do you mean your working on it ?
[02:35] <a5benwillis> I can do all of this with a single PAM module. No scripting anything etc. :-)
[02:35] <LaserJock> well, I think out-of-the-box LDAP/AD support
[02:35] <chino> cliebow:  if they have it in place allready then its good to offer the solution ... later you can port over in stages
[02:35] <cliebow> we onlyh have an aged ms domain for authentication thru the firewall
[02:35] <chino> LaserJock:  well can you seutp a ldap server side by side with a active directory server ? does this affect the domain some how ?
[02:35] <cliebow> that is where we started
[02:36] <chino> a5benwillis:  so you wrote your own pam module to handle the novel logins ????
[02:36] <cliebow> you can have 1o domains there if youy like
[02:36] <cliebow> or 10 even
[02:37] <chino> where are you guys located ?
[02:37] <cliebow> maine
[02:37] <chino> a5benwillis:  ?
[02:37] <a5benwillis> sry
[02:37] <cliebow> hotbed of ltsp
[02:37] <chino> we should just setup a consulting group
[02:37] <a5benwillis> no I found an OLD ncp pam module, hacked, erm patches SSH and made it all work together.
[02:37] <chino> im located in jersey...
[02:37] <chino> hes in maine...
[02:37] <a5benwillis> Im in SC
[02:38] <chino> a5benwillis:  lol nice hack why dont you look into the novel support ?
[02:38] <chino> a5benwillis:  South Carolina ?
[02:38] <a5benwillis> yes
[02:38] <chino> i think we could all support each other and settup a nice consulting group and we each work in local areas of course but we have the backing of all of us
[02:39] <chino> a5benwillis:  no one is looking to be overpriced to me this would be a second job... but i just like ideas... the fct that they are saving money on license's and IT support and all these things... youll find that clients wont mind paying us more than normal IT guys because were saving them substantial amount of money in operations
[02:40] <chino> and were a 1 time thing then we move out and were allways there for support if they  need us...  plus with linux lots of things could be done remotely
[02:40] <a5benwillis> no doubt
[02:40] <chino> idk im planning on trying it out my self... and you guys are examples of real world proof of concepts
[02:41] <a5benwillis> Sounds like you have a business plan.
[02:41] <a5benwillis> are you a consultant now?
[02:41] <chino> if any of you guys would be interested in throwing together a white paper together ... we could present this to clients
[02:42] <chino> no im just some college grad who loves playing with linux and open source stuff
[02:42] <chino> and the whole 9-5 really isn't my pill i believe in our generation we have lots of skills that other's dont and lots of change is present in the next few years
[02:42] <chino> we can either help it happen and make a living out of it enjoying it
[02:42] <cliebow> chino:at least once a week..i think ishould consult..but then i listen tio what the smart guys are doing here..and i say :no way i know enough
[02:43] <chino> or we can watch it blow bye and talk about it
[02:43] <chino> what are the "smart guys" doing ?
[02:43] <chino> they are only smart because they spend their time totally doing that
[02:43] <chino> whlie your running around dealing with an entire schools issues 9-5
[02:43] <a5benwillis> entire school? LOL
[02:43] <cliebow> ad these guys are more or less just doing 9-5..or is it 5-9\
[02:43] <a5benwillis> I have 16 schools
[02:43] <chino> district...
[02:43] <chino> yep
[02:44] <a5benwillis> how bout you cliebow
[02:44] <cliebow> 12
[02:44] <cliebow> plus supers offices
[02:44] <chino> so your not some small dude
[02:44] <chino> look at what you have accomplished
[02:44] <a5benwillis> but I have 9 techs and one other net eng working for me... so its not all bad.
[02:44] <chino> yea i went to school formally for networking
[02:44] <chino> program and hack around with linux on my own for like 6 years
[02:44] <cliebow> learning evry day..but i'm 57 and just out of 20 years on my own..
[02:45] <chino> oh so thats perfect dude...
[02:45] <cliebow> not all it si cracked up to be
[02:45] <chino> you work for a school your about to be retired and get your pension... then you can breeze away some time working on something like this
[02:45] <cliebow> boatbuilder til i got hurt
[02:46] <chino> you gotta stay sharp!
[02:46] <cliebow> heh..pension...no
[02:46] <chino> dont get lazy for next 20 years youll end up brain dead
[02:46] <cliebow> so someday ill retire and only work six days
[02:47] <cliebow> what keeps me sane is thre days a week summers skippering a boat
[02:47] <chino> lol
[02:47] <cliebow> and war-boating is kind of fun
[02:47] <chino> wtf ?
[02:47] <chino> a5benwillis:  how old are you ?
[02:47] <a5benwillis> 32
[02:47] <cliebow> i get my email btween sand point and norwoods cove
[02:48] <cliebow> like war driving ..but in a boat
[02:48] <cliebow> wireless antenna strapped to the searchlight
[02:48] <a5benwillis> thats funny cliebow, never heard of that
[02:48] <cliebow> been doing it for years
[02:49] <cliebow> ive been working a coast guard license sins 1973
[02:50] <chino> lollllllllllllllll
[02:50] <chino> anyway would any of you be interested in starting something ?
[02:50] <cliebow> went as private skipper for former Sec of Navy for 18
[02:51] <chino> i mean even if we dont make a company together just creating a mailing list on the subject and papers and such we can help each other grow
[02:51] <cliebow> i have to see how the new Tach Coordinator plays out this Spring
[02:51] <cliebow> but sure..cant hurt to keep in touch..im on #ltsp most of the time
[02:52] <a5benwillis> chino: I would suggest that you setup a test server yourself, you'll want to come here during the process anyway.
[02:52] <a5benwillis> We're all hear everyday.
[02:52] <chino> a5benwillis:  yes i will...
[02:52] <a5benwillis> erm here
[02:52] <cliebow> there is awesome talent in this channel..and #ltsp..
[02:53] <cliebow> humbling..
[02:53] <a5benwillis> well, I wouldnt include myself in that staement lol
[02:53] <chino> a5benwillis:  im in the planning faze though really just hypothosizing i got a few other ideas in my head too... right now im really busy with a coding project that i want to pump out quickly... and my job keeps taking up my day :[ ... so im doing things one step at a time
[02:53] <cliebow> oh..Man you are on the road...
[02:54] <chino> also nx is a great tool for talking about publishing some applications from the server directly it has excelent compression and responsivness
[02:54] <cliebow> chino:c? or perl..python..ruby?
[02:54] <chino> cliebow:  what ?
[02:54] <cliebow> i do most of my remote with nx
[02:55] <a5benwillis> chino: What do you do 9-5 niw/
[02:55] <chino> cliebow:  omg!!! its a life savor.... using vnc for more than 5 minutes gives me the runs.... but you throw on that nx and its like your sitting at the pc
[02:55] <a5benwillis> now?
[02:55] <cliebow> ohh a5benwillis has worked his tail off on his project..he's come a long way
[02:55] <cliebow> did my admin for Paris a cuople years ago..San zfrancisco..MOntreal
[02:56] <chino> a5benwillis:  well a company that is literally "down the block" offered a position doing project management for phone / data installations... so i started off as that but they just switched me into their data department so now just relearning cisco and handling the data side of it all...
[02:56] <chino> cliebow:  what do you mean your "admin" ?
[02:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah I'd love to see out of the box LDAP/AD support, actually
[02:56] <cliebow> i have it worked out so i can nx to a school.then take over any terminal in the building
[02:57] <chino> a5benwillis:  basicaly networking
[02:57] <chino> on big scales
[02:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: RSN, right? ;-)
[02:57] <cliebow> ttyl
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: shut up :P
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'd like to know how it's going to be done, and what will be used to do it
[02:58] <chino> cliebow:  see this is great stuff if you had this documented some where... and then we took a5benwillis idea's about his pam hack.... and we pool all the things we've done together we'd end up with a nice white paper on th whole subject that would sell a client on our proposition in no time... especially with real world statistics on real installations that are still operating with happy customers
[02:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Magic TM
[02:59] <ajmitch> right, explains a lot
[03:04] <chino> a5benwillis:  im gonna setup a test system adn get my self knowledgable more but we should talk in time
[03:05] <chino> perhaps a consulting group gives us the backing we need to start taking on huge projects across the country...
[03:05] <chino> could be fun
[03:06] <a5benwillis> sry got side tracked on another screen
[03:06] <chino> yea im doing 500 things
[03:07] <a5benwillis> well this chan and others are all about sharing knowledge.
[03:07] <a5benwillis> dive in and build a server. Only takes a few hours.
[03:07] <chino> yea i know
[03:08] <chino> but im talking about professional instalations and support
[03:08] <a5benwillis> need to crawl before you walk if you know what I mean.
[03:08] <chino> yae of course
[03:08] <chino> im not worth anything other wise
[03:09] <chino> ill tackle my first client on my own but once i get a client under my belt
[03:09] <a5benwillis> I work on all kinds of things daily, only have so much time to devote to *nix. I deal with M$, Cisco, Novell and hundereds of educational software packages.
[03:09] <chino> we can really talk about setting up a group and thinking bigger
[03:09] <chino> yea i undersatnd
[03:09] <chino> i like the freelance, consultant appraoch though
[03:10] <chino> i wonna have things on the side that get me out of the 9-5
[03:10] <chino> so i can quit a job and still have income
[03:18] <Malay_Linux> Hi
[03:24] <chino> hi
[07:39] <Toddedm> hey eveerryone, im trying to install Edubuntu, and its frozen... is this a common problem?
[08:48] <LaserJock> hi TeePOG
[08:48] <TeePOG> LaserJock: are you lagged, or am I lagged?
[08:49] <TeePOG> :-D
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning
[08:49] <LaserJock> not lagged, just not paying attention
[08:49] <TeePOG> ah
[08:49] <TeePOG> brb, need to install dvd writer in my machine
[11:12] <encompass> cbx33 recomended I ask you guys something
[11:12] <encompass> I need to setup a system at a university for people to use.... but wtih one condition
[11:13] <encompass> all data and settings will be back to the way we set them at login
[11:14] <encompass> my current solution is deleting the home/user/* and then letting the system restore itself each login... but there has got to be a better way
[11:14] <encompass> oh yes... and that users home dir would be a ram drive
[11:18] <cbx33> hey encompass
[11:19] <cbx33> this is my normal hide-e-hole
[11:19] <encompass> hehe cool
[11:19] <encompass> darn quite today
[11:19] <encompass> everyone must be programming for that great next release
[11:20] <cbx33> yup
[11:21] <jsgotangco> yup i can sleep easy then
[11:24] <stgraber> encompass: there is a pam module to have a temporary user profile IIRC
[11:25] <stgraber> libpam-tmpdir
[11:25] <stgraber> ubotu: !package libpam-tmpdir
[11:25] <cbx33> see told ya ma homies would be abe to help
[11:26] <encompass> hmm, guess that one is beyond me though
[11:26] <cbx33> y?
[11:26] <encompass> good job, but I have no idea how to implement something like that
[11:26] <encompass> let me google it and see what I can learn
[11:27] <cbx33> ;)
[11:27] <cbx33> go for it encompass
[11:41] <encompass> and the /tmp/data is lost on each login?
[11:41] <encompass> so the data will be over written? or will it be used until reboot
[11:42] <juliux> encompass, everything in /tmp is lost if you reboot
[11:44] <encompass> hmm then I don't think that is the ticket
[11:44] <encompass> close... really close
[11:44] <encompass> cause it has to be at each logout
[11:45] <encompass> I guess me best shot is /etc/gdm/PostSession and jsut type rm -rf /home/tempuser/
[02:34] <RichEd> "Rock Hard! Ride Free! All day, all night" <- that sounds like bragging to me ... :P
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:38] <rockprincess> hello friends! :)
[04:49] <cliebow_> anyone used edubuntu feisty on a Sony laptop? with 2.6.20 boot hangs after finding sda--memory stick drive with nothing in it t but dust
[04:55] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[04:56] <cliebow_> sbalneav:wave
[04:56] <sbalneav> hey cliebow
[04:57] <cliebow_> Hi!..Hacking?
[04:59] <sbalneav> yeah
[04:59] <sbalneav> but I'm having trouble
[04:59] <sbalneav> something shat SHOULD work, isn't
[04:59] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom fails miserably
[05:36] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:38] <cliebow_> you in Toronto?
[05:40] <sbalneav> yep
[05:40] <sbalneav> We're in the hotel room now
[05:41] <cliebow_> cool..im home..playing with sortof feisty
[05:41] <cliebow_> 2.6.20 wont load
[05:47] <igor> hi all!
[05:48] <igor> i work in a bilingual institute. And we are looking for a solution to e-learning. We want to deploy, manage, interact online with our students. Anyone is experienced with this kind of tool here?
[05:49] <igor> I reading about some tools and OLAT seems a very good one. Someone has worked with it, or any other tool?
[05:50] <sbalneav> Moodle sounds like what you need
[05:51] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:52] <igor> sbalneav: moodle has built in forum?
[05:54] <igor> sbalneav: i want learn more about scorm and ead . do you know where I can read a introduction with good examples ?
[05:56] <sbalneav> http://moodle.org/
[05:56] <igor> sbalneav: ok.. did you have worked with moodle?
[05:56] <igor> sbalneav: btw, thank you
[05:58] <sbalneav> No, I never have, although I know several of the developers
[05:58] <sbalneav> cbx33: hey pete
[05:58] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[05:58] <cbx33> sbalneav, are you a C or a C++ man?
[05:59] <igor> sbalneav: :-) im new in e-learn but old in linux management.
[05:59] <sbalneav> cbx33: C
[05:59] <cbx33> doh
[05:59] <sbalneav> I've been programming in C since 1985
[05:59] <cbx33> awesome
[06:00] <cbx33> I've been coding in python since last august :p
[06:11] <Laser_away> ogra: eubuntu-docs MIR is approved
[06:19] <cbx33> ping ogra Hehehehe
[06:41] <Burgundavia> gah
[06:41] <Burgundavia> anybody got any experience with nfs?
[06:42] <juliux> Burgundavia, yes
[06:43] <Burgundavia> juliux: I just moved my NFS server and now I get this: corey@victorianfs:~$ showmount -e
[06:43] <Burgundavia> mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered
[06:43] <Burgundavia> same subnet, same computers, same everything
[06:43] <juliux> did you restarted nfs?
[06:43] <juliux> and is portmap running?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> yep, and I have restarted nfs
[06:47] <sbalneav> mountd running?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> yep, and portmapper
[06:48] <Burgundavia> and the ldap server running on the same box works perfectly
[06:48] <Burgundavia> when I try and mount something I get: mount: RPC: Timed out
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I checked hosts.allow/deny and that hasn't change, my subnet hasn't changed
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I portscan the machine and it says nfs is up and running
[06:51] <sbalneav> got anything in /etc/exports?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, I think I know
[06:52] <Burgundavia> I had a dirty shutdown
[06:52] <Burgundavia> might there be a lock somewhere I need to cleanout?
[06:52] <juliux> Burgundavia, are you sure portmap is running?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> absolutely sure
[06:53] <Burgundavia> I even restarted it to be certain
[06:53] <Burgundavia> oh joy, /var/log/messages is filled with junk
[06:54] <Burgundavia> http://pastebin.ca/378673
[06:57] <sbalneav> looks like you need to mkdir /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
[07:01] <juliux> Burgundavia, ys76 said you should try to reboot your server
[07:01] <Burgundavia> did that
[07:03] <Burgundavia> would my date being off by 4 hours do it as well?
[07:08] <sbalneav> ogra:
[07:08] <sbalneav> ping
[07:10] <Burgundavia> juliux: further investiagation reveals that mount request is arrving
[07:29] <cbx33> hey Burgundavia
[07:29] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[07:30] <cbx33> Burgundavia, that sounds liek a dilly of a pickle you got there
[07:30] <cbx33> I've had that error before
[07:31] <cbx33> now what was it
[07:31] <cbx33> it's been working before fine?
[07:31] <cbx33> ahh
[07:32] <cbx33> are the uids of the users the same?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:33] <Burgundavia> I just checked my raid (I have /home on raid 0) and it is working fine
[07:34] <cbx33> hmm
[07:34] <cbx33> tried mounting from antoher machine?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:34] <cbx33> does that work or fail?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> fails
[07:35] <cbx33> ok so it is the server that's at fault
[07:35] <Burgundavia> it looks like the nfs server is cannot contact the portmap: Mar  2 05:23:21 victorianfs kernel: [42950766.290000]  RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
[07:35] <juliux> Burgundavia, did you check the time at your server and client?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> juliux: the time on the server is 4 hours out
[07:35] <Burgundavia> would that do it?
[07:35] <juliux> Burgundavia, perhaps
[07:35] <cbx33> good job it's not kerberos authentication :p
[07:35] <sbalneav> Are you using kerberos at all?
[07:36] <cbx33> 5 minutes :p
[07:36] <sbalneav> heh
[07:36] <cbx33> a vmware machine was gaining time
[07:36] <cbx33> and kept throwing out the authentication
[07:36] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: no, no kerberos
[07:38] <sbalneav> brb
[07:43] <Burgundavia> ok, fixing the time did nothing
[07:43] <cbx33> hmm
[07:43] <cbx33> google isn't your friend?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> not on this one
[07:43] <cbx33> heh
[07:43] <Burgundavia> according to everything I read on google, it shoudl be working
[07:44] <cbx33> http://uclibc.org/lists/busybox/2005-April/014044.html
[07:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, the time fix solved the connection issue
[07:45] <cbx33> so it's working now
[07:45] <Burgundavia> no, the "rpc failed to contact portmap" one
[07:46] <cbx33> oh i see
[07:46] <Burgundavia> it is still refusing to mount
[07:46] <cbx33> logs reveal anything now?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> only thing remaining is that  NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
[07:47] <cbx33> does it do that every time you try to connect?
[07:47] <cbx33> brb
[07:47] <Burgundavia> no, that is in /var/log/message
[07:47] <Burgundavia> +S
[07:50] <cbx33> hmm
[07:50] <cbx33> what about hen you try to connect?
[07:50] <cbx33> any log messages there?
[07:50] <cbx33> can you run the nfs server in very verbose mode?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> yep, just a sec
[07:58] <Burgundavia> I hate being an admin
[07:58] <cbx33> heh
[07:58] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia
[07:58] <cbx33> any word from mako yet?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> nope, not yet
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ok, when I shutdown the nfs server, the "cannto contact portmap" error comes back
[07:59] <Burgundavia> which leads me to believe it is a portmap error
[07:59] <cbx33> is port map running?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:00] <cbx33> can you run that in verbose mode?
[08:00] <cbx33> stop it from daemoning perhaps?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ok, that gives me nothing
[08:04] <Burgundavia> lines and lines of: server: about do a switch
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ok, that is odd
[08:10] <a5benwillis> theres just something about the name edubuntugirl that I like ;-)
[08:11] <Burgundavia> yay, it was a hosts.allow issue
[08:11] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:12] <cbx33> is taht yay
[08:12] <cbx33> or nope
[08:12] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:16] <Burgundavia> crap
[08:59] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[09:16] <cliebow_> antone esle come across probs in feisty with boot and msc memory stick?
[10:00] <AMSmith42> Is anyone here using Ubuntu in a classroom/lab environment?
[10:02] <cliebow_> i am
[10:02] <AMSmith42> How's that working for you?
[10:02] <cliebow_> seven terminals and little server in grade5
[10:02] <cliebow_> works great
[10:02] <AMSmith42> Cool.
[10:03] <AMSmith42> I'm looking to make a lab of 25 thin clients.
[10:03] <LaserJock> what grades?
[10:03] <cliebow_> they do all their science and history research..and write papers..
[10:03] <AMSmith42> K through 6
[10:03] <AMSmith42> The only problem is, they use the lab for certain apps.
[10:04] <LaserJock> cliebow_: did ever ask you for a list of apps you install after installing Edubuntu?
[10:04] <cliebow_> pxe boot?
[10:04] <cliebow_> i have simply stock install..
[10:04] <LaserJock> and that works fine?
[10:05] <AMSmith42> Do you mean do I plan to pxe boot?
[10:05] <cliebow_> i tried to push tux* in k-2 but at the time we had macintosh nubus terminals in redhat
[10:05] <cliebow_> AMSmith42, yes..cuase depending on bios double boot is failry easy
[10:05] <AMSmith42> Oooo
[10:05] <AMSmith42> That is good to know!
[10:06] <cliebow_> some bios will let you hit f12 o bring up boot menu..
[10:06] <cliebow_> etherboot is even easier..just asks local or network
[10:06] <AMSmith42> I need to order some models from my vendor to play around with and setup a couple of servers to play around with.
[10:07] <cliebow_> or just grab  a junker and put an etherboot enabled card in
[10:07] <AMSmith42> I definitely want thin clients.
[10:07] <cliebow_> ayt lest toplay with
[10:07] <AMSmith42> I just don't know which model I want.
[10:07] <AMSmith42> But now I know I want one with a pxe boot-enabled bios.
[10:08] <cliebow_> disklessworkstations directly supports ltsp..but the prices are a little rugged
[10:08] <cliebow_> etherboot is nice as well 9~)
[10:08] <AMSmith42> Hmmm...
[10:09] <AMSmith42> If I have dual boot, will it let me choose from either a windows ts or a linux ts?
[10:09] <cliebow_> yes
[10:09] <cliebow_> osx and ltsp
[10:10] <cliebow_> if you want to use ppc
[10:10] <cliebow_> even
[10:10] <AMSmith42> And either pxe or etherboot do that.
[10:10] <AMSmith42> Yes, I was considering throwing an Apple server in there, but we don't use Macs atm
[10:10] <cliebow_> for intel based yeshttp://cowbox.coe.uky.edu/stu/linux/apache/php.php
[10:10] <cliebow_> whoops
[10:11] <cliebow_> which is a good thing
[10:11] <AMSmith42> Good that we don't use Macs?
[10:11] <cliebow_> simplifies things
[10:11] <AMSmith42> Ah, yes.
[10:11] <AMSmith42> I do want some Macs for the high school journalsim/year book room.
[10:11] <stgraber> AMSmith42: As I understood you have a Windows TS on your network ?
[10:12] <cliebow_> my ltsp server has like five or six chroots and kernnels
[10:12] <AMSmith42> I do not yet have a Windows TS.
[10:12] <stgraber> ok, if you really need some Windows software you can move your clients to Linux using LTSP and LTSP servers (Edubuntu) and then add a shortcut on the desktop
[10:12] <AMSmith42> Everything here is standalone and connects to the server to share certain apps and sometimes files.
[10:12] <stgraber> that will run "rdesktop" to connect to a Windows TS server
[10:13] <AMSmith42> Oh, I see.
[10:13] <cliebow_> AMSmith42, in winders right?
[10:13] <AMSmith42> Current all of our desktops are Windows, yes.
[10:14] <AMSmith42> This rdesktop technique might give me a transition phase though.
[10:14] <stgraber> AMSmith42: I've also tried some weeks ago a software you install on the Windows Terminal Server which allow to show only a single application not the whole desktop
[10:14] <cliebow_> just boot one of em check the bios to see if pxe support is ythere
[10:15] <stgraber> that allows you for example to start Word, Encarte or anything in a window like any other software
[10:15] <AMSmith42> I just noticed today that UltraVNC can be setup to display just one app window.
[10:15] <stgraber> except it's in fact running on the server
[10:15] <AMSmith42> Possibilities abound!
[10:15] <stgraber> yes, but VNC takes a lot of bandwidth for a poor quality (only my opinion)
[10:16] <cliebow_> stgraber, i agree
[10:16] <cliebow_> you can intro linu on a winders desktop with vnc cygwin..or NX
[10:16] <AMSmith42> Among the various flavors, I like UltraVNC because it seems to be the fastest (and some of our vendor support uses it monthly).
[10:17] <AMSmith42> But, that is neither here nor there, I guess.
[10:17] <cliebow_> I use tightvnc..best for nx integratin
[10:17] <cliebow_> and i depend on the ivia-cmd function
[10:17] <cliebow_> which tight has
[10:17] <AMSmith42> Well, this conversation has given me hope.
[10:18] <AMSmith42> Thank you much.
[10:20] <cliebow_> pleasure
[10:21] <cliebow_> we double boot all our machines in one school thay defaults All to ltsp
[10:21] <cliebow_> cause of one educ app
[10:22] <stgraber> http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/ <-- That's the thing to use rdesktop for only a single app
[10:22] <AMSmith42> Thanks.
[10:26] <AMSmith42> Do you happen to have any DOS edu apps that you have to run?
[10:27] <stgraber> maybe this app will work with dosemu+freedos
[10:27] <AMSmith42> Sound is the big issue.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> It wil mostly work without sound, but we're talking about kids.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> The need sensory overload.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> lol
[10:27] <AMSmith42> er, They
[10:29] <AMSmith42> I tried dosemu. I'm working on some keyboard layout error when it starts.
[10:34] <cbx33> nn all
[10:34] <AMSmith42> bye