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manchickenHeh, as soon as people at work heard I was going to UDS they gave me a bunch of free stuff.  heh01:46
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manchickenYay!  adept 2.1.2ubuntu19 doesn't die all the time!01:55
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ryanakcamanchicken: weee!02:09
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manchickenIt'll rock your world02:11
JucatoAdept will rock my world? hm... :D02:13
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nixternaloi you people02:40
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crimsundang, I managed to break every model _but_ nixternal's02:58
ajmitchhi crimsun02:59
crimsunmust be that KDE voodoo protecting him02:59
crimsunhi ajmitch02:59
seeleRiddell: ping03:12
seelehmm.. i guess its a bit late03:13
nixternalhiya seele, how is the weather in the nations capital this evening?03:29
seelerainy and cold :)03:43
manchickennixternal: I'm going to UDS by the way ^_^03:49
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nixternalto you manchicken04:23
nixternalya seele, it is about the same here, we are waiting for some snow tonight though04:23
nixternalI will be at Northern in the morning giving a free software and community love speach04:24
nixternaldunno why, they have the worst engineering/IT school there is04:24
nixternalI am sure a majority of their students are MySpace junkies04:24
Hobbseeheya nixternal, manchicken04:25
nixternalhola Hobbsee04:26
manchickenHobbsee!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll see you in May!04:26
Hobbseemanchicken: WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!04:26
claydohsomeone needs to organize something up here in the wilderness of Maine so i don't have to travel to events04:27
claydohthat way everyone has to travel far, except for me :)04:28
manchickenHobbsee: Work gave me a bunch of 64MB thumb drives and other swag.  heh.  I'm not sure how I feel about distributing them at the UDS.04:28
Hobbseemanchicken: nice.... :)04:28
Hobbseemanchicken: why would you?  or wouldnt you?04:28
Hobbseeclaydoh: heh04:28
manchickenI wouldn't turn UDS into a trade-show ^_^04:29
Hobbseedefine "distributing" then04:30
manchickenI'll have them in my book-bag as I walk around, and if people ask I'll share ^_^04:30
manchickenThey have some pretty stupid ideas for swag though.04:31
manchickenThey've got analog pedometers and binoculars.04:31
manchickenIt's pretty crazy.  heh04:31
manchickenThe marketing people found out and gave me an insane amount of stuff.04:32
manchickenI was only asking for a t-shirt to wear to represent since they're giving me 2 free days of paid time off ^_^04:32
manchickenThey went a little crazy.04:32
Hobbseemanchicken: heh04:32
Hobbseemanchicken: as in, you're giving them away, or selling them?04:33
manchickenBut I have a feeling that the thumb drives will be welcome.04:33
manchickenHobbsee: I'm a geek, not a business man.  I freely give ^_^04:33
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Hobbseeoh right, gotcha.  wasnt sure what doubleclick was, though04:33
manchickenI don't think they would be either, but they're certainly useful.04:33
manchickenAh.  It's an online ad company.04:33
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manchickenI wonder if these drives have anything on them.04:34
Hobbseesorry, i was unclear - i meant that i didnt know if doubleclick meant for you to sell or give them away04:34
Hobbseemanchicken: adware :P04:34
manchickenThis thing also has a nice USB extension cable ^_^04:35
manchickenThese are neat.04:38
claydohmy wife went to a dog trainer/shelter worker seminar and for soemreaon they gave out mini laptop optical mice with retractible cord/mini usb hub04:39
DaSkreechBetter than a pen04:39
manchickenclaydoh: that's pretty neat.04:40
manchickenDaSkreech: There are some really nice pens out there ^_^04:40
claydohwe have no laptop but it comes in handy when you need to plug in multiple thumb drives at once :)04:40
Hobbseeclaydoh: you dont havea  laptop?04:41
DaSkreechmanchicken: true but not form a marketing team that gives you an assorted bag of things to hand out :)04:41
Hobbseeah yes, i have one of those little mice :)04:41
DaSkreechI don't04:41
claydohHobbsee: nope, too much $$ for us at the moment04:41
=== Hobbsee still should do something with her old laptop.
DaSkreechSell me :)04:41
claydohtho I do have an old 233 mmx chipped tinkpad my brother gave me04:41
manchickenDaSkreech: I'm gonna see if I can get any more neat stuff.04:42
manchickenI think the thumb drives were only supposed to be for clients.04:42
claydohtoo heavy to be a laptop04:42
DaSkreechmanchicken: do you have to account for the stuff when you get back?04:42
HobbseeDaSkreech: where are you again?04:42
manchickenDon't forget that I'm still looking for hardware for my compile farm ^_^04:42
DaSkreechHobbsee: Opposite you04:42
HobbseeDaSkreech: most places are.04:42
manchickenDaSkreech: Nope.04:42
DaSkreechmanchicken: :)04:42
DaSkreechHobbsee: caribbean04:42
Hobbseemanchicken: *grin* - i wouldnt try to compile too much on my old laptop04:43
HobbseeDaSkreech: ahh04:43
manchickenDaSkreech: They're giving it to me in the hopes that I'll give it to people who will say nice things about the company.  I'm taking it with the hopes that people will think it's neat and enjoy playing with it... at least for a few minutes.04:43
manchickenHobbsee: Every bit helps.04:43
Hobbseemanchicken: i've had this laptop up to 88C.04:43
manchickenI want to get a Kubuntu w/Mach running ^_^04:43
Hobbseemanchicken: you've spoken to imbrandon about a build farm, presumably?04:43
DaSkreechmanchicken: If you don't give your stuff away you end up with a bag full of stuff :-/04:43
manchickenHobbsee: Not yet.04:44
DaSkreechmanchicken: The OO.o builds are metered04:44
Hobbseemanchicken: seeing as he's doing that too.04:44
manchickenDaSkreech: The GLUGs and LoCo's will love it then.04:44
DaSkreechwell test builds04:44
DaSkreechGerman Lugs?04:44
manchickenHobbsee: Is he doing Mach builds?04:44
Hobbseemanchicken: mach?04:44
DaSkreechGnome Lugs??!!??04:44
manchickenDaSkreech: GLUG == Gnu/Linux Users' Group04:44
manchickenHobbsee: The GNU kernel04:44
DaSkreechHa ha Stallman?04:45
DaSkreechYou use Hurd?04:45
manchickenNot yet.  I'd like to play with it though ^_^04:45
Hobbseemanchicken: no idea04:45
manchickenor maybe even try it with alternate kernels.04:45
manchickenLinux isn't the only kernel ^_^04:45
manchickenWe have choices in GUI and such, why not kernels too?04:45
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jdongmanchicken: well it's the only kernel that really matters.04:46
manchickenI doubt it.04:46
jdongjust like vim is the only text editor that does04:46
DaSkreechjdong: HEY!!04:46
DaSkreechYou can't end the flamewar there!04:46
jdongor like GNOME is the only desktop environment that does.04:46
manchickenjdong: It's a decent kernel, but it isn't the only one.04:46
jdongmanchicken: that matters. :)04:46
manchickenI like the linux kernel, I just like to play with other things, too ^_^04:47
jdongtha'ts what she said.04:48
DaSkreech! Jucato04:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:49
Hobbseehiya Jucato!04:49
DaSkreechJucato: Basket!04:50
Jucatohi Hobbsee! hi DaSkreech!04:50
DaSkreechJucato: played with 1.0?04:51
Jucatousing it04:51
Jucatobut not really *using* it...04:51
Hobbseewoo, basket!04:51
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DaSkreechBasket case04:51
DaSkreechWhat's the newness that makes it Woo! one!04:52
DaSkreechHobbsee: 1.0?04:58
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DaSkreechhunger_t: new name?05:00
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DaSkreechHobbsee: How did the stalker thing work out?05:33
DaSkreechI heard you got to work safely05:33
HobbseeDaSkreech: yeah.  dunno who they were.  *shrug*05:34
Hobbseework was silly anyway05:34
Jucatoactually, she was more worried that they had something in mind for her house05:34
DaSkreechWell anyone who thinks that Hobbsee's house is more valuable than Princess Pointy is probably an idiot anyway05:35
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DaSkreechSo you are using basket 1.0 Hobbsee?05:37
HobbseeDaSkreech: correct05:37
DaSkreechDid you use the previous versions?05:38
DaSkreechIn any case what's your impression of this one?05:39
Hobbseeit's much shinier, polished05:41
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DaSkreechI like polish :)05:41
DaSkreechI just toss stuff in baskets as I need them and then look at them a yaer on and say Ohhh yeaaahhhh05:42
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manchickenIf you do KDE 3.6.5 with edgy does basket come in?05:44
Jucatobasket isn't released w/ KDE05:44
manchickenWasn't sure.05:44
manchickenIs there a way to get basket going with edgy?05:44
DaSkreechand sure isn't relelased with *untu05:44
Jucatomanchicken: their website has a .deb for edgy05:45
DaSkreechapt-get install basket :)05:45
ubotubasket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB05:45
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DaSkreech!basket feisty05:45
Jucatooh... I was presuming you were talking about the latest release05:45
ubotubasket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB05:45
DaSkreechWhoot :)05:45
DaSkreech!frozen-bubble feisty05:45
ubotufrozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.1.0-1 (feisty), package size 150 kB, installed size 712 kB05:45
Jucatoall thanks to Hobbsee's poking no doubt05:45
DaSkreech!find freedroid05:46
ubotuFound: freedroid, freedroid-data05:46
DaSkreech!find seamonkey05:46
ubotuPackage/file seamonkey does not exist in edgy05:46
manchickenI beat my game last night.05:46
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manchickenI'm disappointed though... I don't have a game to play.05:46
Jucato!botabuse | DaSkreech05:46
ubotuDaSkreech: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...05:46
DaSkreechmanchicken: What type of games do you play?05:46
manchickenMostly Nintendo and PS2.05:47
manchickenThis one was a DS game.05:47
manchickenHotel Dusk05:47
manchickenExcellent story.05:47
DaSkreechI head about that one05:48
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Jucatovery handy, portableapps..05:51
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Jucatome too05:54
DaSkreechShared Hallucinations?05:55
Jucatoshared insanity05:55
manchickenI put up a review for that game ^_^05:56
=== Jucato read that there will a SIMS game for DS...
manchickenThere are two that I'm aware of.06:00
manchickenMy wife personally played and hated both of them ^_^06:00
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Jucatoyeah, I know. I'm sick :D06:00
DaSkreechmanchicken: Is your wife womanrooster?06:01
manchickenDaSkreech: mrschicken06:01
DaSkreechI thought that was Ms Sanders06:01
manchickenOkie dokie kiddos, I'm gonna boogie off to beddy-bye.  Buhbye.06:01
Jucatochicken, afaik, is gender neutral...06:01
jdongJucato: more often than not, females tend to be chicken while males will have the balls.06:02
DaSkreechjdong: unless you are henpecked06:02
manchickenFYI, birds don't have balls ;)06:02
Jucatothey do have eggs...06:02
jdongmanchicken: of course not. They use divine reproduction.06:03
manchickenjdong: Of course.  That's common knowledge.06:03
manchickenGood night.  Leaving for real this time.06:03
JucatoHobbsee: do you know what's the diff between sub-basket and sibling basket?06:07
Hobbseeyes.  try it out06:07
Hobbseeis the easiest way to see it06:08
Jucatoit creates a basket on the same level as the other sibling basket?06:08
Jucatobah.. I'll just read the docs somewhere ;D06:09
DaSkreechI've never tried a basket hierarchy. How do you do that?06:12
Jucatoalthough I have one issue/wish regarding that...06:13
DaSkreechI can drag this new basket down under the other basket. How do I get it back out06:14
Jucatodrag out again? :D06:14
DaSkreechThat was more difficult than I thought :)06:14
DaSkreechIt wouldn't go06:14
DaSkreechWell it it wouldn't!06:15
Jucatook... but that's just strange..06:16
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Hobbseeright.  i think i've got all the apps of interes06:52
Tm_TJucato: Just wanted to say this: we should courage to file things, not deny it. ;)06:57
Tm_TJucato: Altough I agree with you at most part.06:58
Tm_TOk, keep kids in order, I'm going to work. ->06:58
JucatoI'm only trying to save him from going through somethings I did regarding System Settings06:58
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lexualcan anyone check out: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141502 , do you think it may be a kubuntu bug??08:20
UbugtuKDE bug 141502 in kioslave "mediamanager always mounts hotplug devices regardless of config" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 08:20
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Jucatowrong distro :)09:11
Tm_TJucato: Nah, apt-get has supercow powers too.09:11
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Hobbseeer, caps letters09:12
Tm_THobbsee: FAT doesn't know utf8 perhaps?09:12
HobbseeTm_T: i'm not sure.09:16
Tm_THobbsee: Well, IIRC it doesn't. ;)09:16
HobbseeTm_T: it's vfat, using utf-8 charset09:16
Hobbseeaccording to the konqi defaults09:16
freeflyinghi all09:16
Tm_TAnyway, might be some nice mount/format issue.09:17
HobbseeTm_T: how do i debug it?09:17
Hobbseehey freeflying09:17
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Tm_THobbsee: Uff, err, sorry but I'm in work atm so can't really help. :(09:18
Tm_TGotta go anyway. ->09:18
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yuriylexual: i don't know if it's a kubuntu bug, but i know there is a bug on launchpad for it09:24
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lexualyuriy: bug number?09:25
yuriylexual: bug 6956109:27
UbugtuMalone bug 69561 in kdebase "Mediamanager in kde 3.5.5 does not honour automount setting" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6956109:27
yuriylexual: also bug 5604309:28
UbugtuMalone bug 56043 in kdebase "KDE media storage default action can't be removed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5604309:29
serzholinoI can confirm 56043 in edgy09:29
Hobbseegah, why do all the kde backup programs all *suck*???09:29
serzholinoOnce selected don't do anything on flash drive plug09:30
serzholinoAnd can't change it anymore09:30
yuriyserzholino: yeah i can too, but do you get the crash?09:31
serzholinodon't remember, have to check at my home desktop09:33
serzholinoI'll write a comment if i have crash09:33
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dokoanybody wants to look into some kde build failures?12:01
dokomake[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/konserve-0.10.3'12:01
doko*** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.12:01
doko*** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer12:01
dokokonserve, kat, ksniffer, kalcul12:02
Jucatodo you have autoconf and automake (pref. automake1.9) installed?12:02
dokoJucato: I don't mind, please see the build logs in launchpad12:02
Riddellit needs the patch at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff12:04
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_StefanS_Jucato !12:16
Jucatono new bugs from the forums yet :D12:16
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Hobbseedoko: how much stuff still needs to be patched fr that?12:26
dokoHobbsee: I don't know, just seen these failures while rebuilding for ldbl12812:26
Hobbseedoko: how much are you rebuilding?12:26
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Hobbseeoh darn, i can only see per build machine, rather than for all build machines.12:29
dokoHobbsee: only the uploader gets these emails12:31
_StefanS_Jucato: good hearing that..12:31
_StefanS_Jucato: I was just away for a few minutes12:31
Jucatoheh ok :)12:31
_StefanS_Jucato: I have now removed the Enter action from the dialog, and i'm going to set a QEvent = Enter on the button that has focus instead.12:32
Hobbseedoko: well, that's kind of useless if you want a group of us to fix them...unless you can put them up somewhere or something12:32
Hobbseedoko: or forward them to kubuntu-devel@l.u.c, i gues12:32
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Jucato_StefanS_: cool. please also test it with different default logout actions :)12:33
_StefanS_Jucato: err, what do you mean?12:33
_StefanS_Jucato: the default action is Logout12:33
Jucato_StefanS_: System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager -> Default Shutdown Options12:34
_StefanS_Jucato: you12:34
_StefanS_Jucato: you're thinking about the dropdown menu ?12:35
Jucatosee above ^^^12:35
_StefanS_ah I see12:35
_StefanS_I have to dig up the settings for those in order to react upon them12:36
_StefanS_will make a note12:36
Jucato_StefanS_: ah so the new logout dialog doesn't honor that yet?12:36
Hobbseedoko: i'll start fixing.  if you can give me a list of more, that'd be good.12:36
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Jucato_StefanS_: I mean, it doesn't change the default action based on those settings?12:37
_StefanS_Jucato: nope it doesnt.. Logout is always set to focus12:37
dokoHobbsee: will do, if I get more reports for failed builds12:37
Hobbseedoko: thanks.12:37
_StefanS_Jucato: could do one thing for me then ?12:37
Hobbseedoko: do you remember who was doing a total rebuild test?  we're going to keep getting bitten on this12:37
Jucato_StefanS_: as long as it doesn't involve upgrading to feisty yet?12:37
_StefanS_Jucato: It would be cool if you could find those settings for me, in edgy they are the same..12:38
dokoHobbsee: I'm not aware of a rebuild test for universe12:38
Jucato_StefanS_: the config file for it?12:38
_StefanS_Jucato: yes, and the possible settings for it12:38
_StefanS_Jucato: would help alot12:38
Jucatook I'll research12:38
_StefanS_Jucato: I will do that Enter event thing now12:38
Hobbseeoh darn, this stuff's going to require a manual shove12:39
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Jucato_StefanS_: ~/.kde/config/ksmserverrc12:42
_StefanS_Jucato: oh, i thought it was somewhere else.. cool it will only make it easier12:43
Riddellwow, Kooka works12:43
RiddellI've never tried it before12:43
Riddelland printing works too12:43
Riddellmaybe this feisty thing will be all good12:43
_StefanS_Riddell: kooka is especially cool if you got a network scanner :) - works out of the box without drivers12:44
Jucato_StefanS_: shutdownType=0 (End current session); =1 (Restart Computer) =2 (Turn off computer)12:44
_StefanS_Jucato: thanks :)12:44
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Jucato_StefanS_: np :)12:45
HobbseeRiddell: hopefully :)12:46
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_StefanS_Jucato: just tested the shutdown options.. it already works12:48
Jucato_StefanS_: ah cool. great! :D12:49
_StefanS_Jucato: it gets inserted when the default kdebase gets patched12:49
Hobbseeyay, fixed the automake for them :)12:49
_StefanS_if ( sdtype == KApplication::ShutdownTypeReboot )12:49
_StefanS_Jucato: ^ and so on for each button12:49
JucatoI'll pretend I actually understood that, ok? :)12:50
_StefanS_Jucato: yes.12:51
_StefanS_wow the cpu usage in basKet sucks... 100% cpu when resizing text fields :)12:52
Jucatoupon closer look, I think I do understand it after all. lol12:52
_StefanS_someone is drawing the stuff all wrong..12:52
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hungerAre the mime types messed up? I get this message: "Type: Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" with a locale of en_UK in konqui when saving a file from the web.02:13
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Riddellhunger: en_UK?  it should be en_GB02:20
Riddellstill shouldn't end up as french though02:20
hungerRiddell: you are right, it is en_GB.02:28
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_StefanS_Jucato: the fix is just about done03:05
_StefanS_Riddell: I've got a fix for the logout concerning enter/return for the buttons (it wasn't working). I have a kdebase-ubuntu12 w/patches, and my changes on top03:08
_StefanS_Riddell: how do I proceed, do you want me to do a regular diff between the two patched versions, or a diff against an unpatched version ?03:09
Riddell_StefanS_: great, I just noticed that today03:10
Riddell_StefanS_: a debdiff from current version is good03:10
_StefanS_Riddell: I will try03:11
_StefanS_Riddell: argh.. the usual stuff. I will make a diff instead03:18
_StefanS_Riddell: the diff is in your mail03:21
_StefanS_Riddell: hope you forgive me for sending it as a diff :)03:22
Riddell_StefanS_: no problem03:23
_StefanS_Riddell: its a rather small patch ..03:24
_StefanS_Riddell: great, I will to implement that in the kdm thing as well.. you will get another patch for that soon03:29
_StefanS_will have to03:29
Jucato_StefanS_: nice :) (sorry just got back)03:31
_StefanS_Jucato: yep sure hope so :)03:31
_StefanS_Jucato: I found that he dialog in kdm suffers the same stuff, so I'm just compiling that one now with the changes03:32
_StefanS_Jucato: best to fix it all around03:32
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_StefanS_Jucato: hmm what things are you thinking about ? the pictures for the buttons are changeable, and so is the buttons according to the style selected03:34
Jucato_StefanS_: something like the present greeter (which I just recently learned actually GDM Greeter themes...)03:35
Jucatobut hey, maybe for some other person... you've already got a lot to do :)03:35
_StefanS_Jucato: maybe..03:38
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mhbgood afternoon03:56
mhbcan I have a suggestion?04:03
mhbwell it's probably a bug, but it's solvable easily04:03
mhbon my Feisty box, kdm is ran as one of the last apps, with priority 9904:04
mhbOTOH gdm has a priority around 1304:04
mhbthe outcome is that when I start my kubuntu system, it switches into console shortly before switching to X1104:05
mhbbut AFAIK it won't do the same with gdm, because gdm is started earlier04:05
Riddellhmm, I wonder when that changed back04:06
mhbI've clean-installed one of the earlier Herd builds, so I guess the problem is still in feisty04:06
Riddellyes, I confirm it on my install form yesterday04:07
Riddellit should be something lower, although we had problems at S1304:07
mhbyes, that's what I think04:07
mhbit can be relatively high up, but low enough so the system won't switch into console mode first04:08
mhbshould I file a bug about it?04:08
Riddellmhb: just keep poking until someone fixes it04:13
Riddellor look at kdebase and work out why it's not doing it04:13
mhbso we (kubuntu devs) can fix it?04:14
Riddellwell, sure04:14
mhboh, I'll check then04:14
Riddellthat's what kubuntu devs are for :)04:14
mhbI thought that stuff is decided somewhere else04:14
Riddellmhb: it's in kdebase's debian directory, maybe the install part is missing compared to edgy04:15
Riddellthe install to lower number part04:15
mhbI'll check it out04:15
mhbRiddell: nobody has worked on that font bug except me, I presume?04:15
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Riddellmhb: no04:16
mhbRiddell: good, I'll continue on it then04:17
mhbthanks for the advice04:17
Riddellit may even be worth asking lars@trolltech since he's incharge of font stuff in qt04:17
mhbokay ... I'll try to identify the troublemaking code now04:18
mhbI'll ask him if necessary04:19
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Jucato"First of all kubuntu project is one of the best distro i have ever seen.Thank you for making such a wonderful project like this." - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080374.msg5719104:38
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Riddellooh, I got ktux in KDE 4 to work05:13
Riddelldoesn't crash or anything05:13
mhbthat's great ... I guess :o)05:14
Lathiatare you implying 'doesnt crash == to work' ;)05:15
Lathiati mean if it compiles, ship it, right? ;)05:15
Riddellit's in NEW05:15
DaSkreechJucato: I don't get The Moo reference05:26
JucatoDaSkreech: you mean my "wrong distro" reply to Tm_T?05:26
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DaSkreechJucato: The new logout dialog being themeable?05:46
JucatoDaSkreech: "wondering"05:46
mhbI don't think so but _StefanS_ knows better than me05:47
DaSkreechJucato: Yes the wrong distro comment05:48
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Jucatomhb: it was more of  a dream than an actual suggestion :)05:48
DaSkreechI'm readin everything I missed from 10 Yesterday05:48
JucatoDaSkreech: Gentoo's mascot is Larry the Cow05:49
Jucatoit's a joke we often throw around in #kde... so when we say "moo", it most usually refers to Gento05:50
DaSkreechA cow.05:51
DaSkreechIn anycase our mascot is a gearhead :)05:51
Jucatoyes... I don't know why apt has cows too05:51
DaSkreechis the new uncrashable adept in the repos?05:52
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DaSkreechI actually knew the story behind that. Don't recall it now05:52
goldenearI've found that some websites using flash won't display any text if the msttcorefonts package in not installed... Because of the legality issue of this package, I wonder if there is any other solution (such as fonts name alias or something) ?05:52
DaSkreechand the aptitude -v-vv-vvv-vvvv trick05:52
goldenearI think we would need a solution that permits (k)ubuntu to display correctly any (flash) website.05:54
DaSkreechGet Gnash to work :)05:55
DaSkreechseele: ping05:56
Riddellhunger:  libdecibel.so.1 -> libdecibel.so.0.3.0  why is 1 pointing at 0 ?05:57
RiddellSET(VERSION "0.3.0")05:58
RiddellSET(SO_VERSION "1")05:58
Riddellhmm, that looks wrong to me05:58
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Riddellgoldenear: that's really a bug in flash05:59
Riddellgoldenear: it'll be hard to have people make sure core changes because of bugs in proprietry software05:59
goldenearWhy do you think it's a bug...06:00
Riddellgoldenear: if a font isn't available it should fall back on something else06:00
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goldenearthe issue is that you can't be sure about what font is installed or not... and all fonts don't have the same proportions.06:02
Riddellevery other app manages fine06:02
Riddellincluding pdf viewers06:02
goldenearyou're right.06:03
goldenearBut this bug was already there in flash 6 and 7 and is still there with flash 906:04
Riddell"For Kubuntu, install the following package: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev"  ooh, kdemultimedia has a cmake message just for us06:06
mhbRiddell: so the bug is in the Debian patch that simultaneously fixes the fonts06:10
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Riddellmhb: nasty06:12
Riddellmhb: any idea where that patch come from?06:12
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alleeRiddell: it's strange but when objdump -p /path/to/libdecibel.so.0.3.0 | grep -i soname  gives libdecibel.so.1  it's at least working strangeness ;)06:18
Riddellallee: yeah, it'll probably work, but it just seems all wrong to me06:19
alleeRiddell: yes06:20
mhbRiddell: I guess it's from Debian06:21
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Riddellmhb: aye but who wrote it I wonder06:22
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mhbRiddell: Modestas Vainius06:23
Riddellryanakca: did anyone fix the install-mp3 script?  I can't remember06:24
ryanakcaRiddell: Tonio did...06:24
Riddelloh, groovy06:24
ryanakcawell, he did last I heard from him06:24
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Riddellryanakca: fix k-d-s to not have shadows on the menu bar and button text06:25
Riddellin polyester06:25
Riddellryanakca: you should be able to commit directly06:25
DaSkreechryanakca: Snow day?06:25
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ryanakcaDaSkreech: well, out here in canada, when there's too much snow and freezing rain, buses can't go out for safety reasons... so... no school :D06:25
ryanakcaRiddell: commit directly?06:26
Riddellryanakca: to the k-d-s archive06:26
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DaSkreechryanakca: Ah. so it's a Holiday just not .. you know .. holy06:26
mhbryanakca: I wish we had snowdays here06:26
yuriyit's pouring rain here :(06:26
ryanakcamhb: lol06:26
mhbryanakca: we had like a week of snow06:27
DaSkreechWe don't get raindays :(06:27
DaSkreechOr Sun days!06:27
DaSkreechWait.. we do get Sundays off06:27
DaSkreechnever mind :)06:27
ryanakcawe got a pile of freezing rain... early this morning you couldn't see out of the windows because they were frozen. melted now... but roads are still slippery (or so I'm told)06:27
mhbRiddell: the name is not known to me but I'll try to contact him06:27
ryanakcaDaSkreech: lol06:27
DaSkreechryanakca: So if you had a really bad extended winter Canada gets dumber by a year?06:27
Riddellmhb: who is it?06:28
ryanakcaguess so... but we usually only get them 2-3 times a year...06:28
mhb18:26 < mhb> Riddell: Modestas Vainius06:28
manchickenryanakca: We've got some serious snow over here as well.06:29
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Riddellmhb: oh, that's a name :)06:29
ryanakcaso, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu    , *edit*, bzr commit -m "Removed shadows on menu bar and button text"   ,   bzr push sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu          %06:29
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ryanakcaRiddell: Planet will be a bit bluer soon, (I'll set up my webserver on my old comp, now that I have a new one)06:31
Riddellryanakca: no06:31
Riddellryanakca: checkout from sftp06:31
Riddelland commit06:31
DaSkreechwaht happeed to Xen by default?06:31
Riddellno need to branch06:31
ryanakcaah, kk06:31
RiddellDaSkreech: it was locked up and the key thrown away06:31
DaSkreechI was trying to figure out what would be the point of a SSh accesile server with xen06:32
DaSkreechaccessible even. Xen is a in-front-of-the-monitor type technology isn't it?06:32
jdongDaSkreech: errr,no?06:33
jdongxen is great for virtual servers06:33
RiddellXen != vmware06:33
Riddellthe point is if your computer crashes you can have another linux running underneith to pick up the pieces06:34
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mhbRiddell: mail sent06:37
mhbif he won't reply within a couple of days, I'll try to fix it myself06:38
Riddellbrave man, fonts are crazy voodoo stuff06:39
DaSkreechno I understand that you can spawn a new Xen instance and use that as a virtual server06:39
RiddellDaSkreech: yes, that's the whole point of virtual servers06:39
DaSkreech I'm saying what is the point of offering a server with a dom0 ?06:39
Riddellin xen by default it would be your main machine06:40
DaSkreechcan you ssh in from the Philippine islands and spawn three new doms and jump to them?06:40
RiddellI expect so06:40
DaSkreechHow do you jump in ssh?06:40
Riddellbut this isn't the best channel for this conversation06:40
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mhbRiddell: there is +  update-rc.d kdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null 2>&106:40
mhbRiddell: in the edgy-updates kdebase source06:41
DaSkreechok fine06:41
Riddellmhb: and in feisty?06:41
mhbRiddell: 9906:41
DaSkreechAdept still crashes :(06:41
mhb  update-rc.d kdm defaults 99 01 >/dev/null06:42
Riddellmhb: copy the stuff from edgy then and send me a debdiff06:42
mhbI have to go for a minute now but I'll send you the debdiff later today06:43
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ryanakcaanybody know when jenda will be back?06:57
DaSkreechWho is Johan Thelin?07:07
ryanakcano clue. How do I test k-d-s?07:12
ryanakcadebuild and pbuild?07:12
ryanakcaor just sudo make install?07:13
seeleDaSkreech: pong07:17
Riddellryanakca: just a debuild is fine07:21
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Jucatoer ryanakca....07:25
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JucatoRiddell: could I temporarily +q ryanakca_?07:26
Riddellgrr, I still can't kick07:26
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RiddellJucato: be my guest07:26
Jucatoin #kubuntu I mean07:26
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JucatoI can't here....07:26
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Riddellkickban him!07:27
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Jucatoremoved the quiet07:28
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Jucatohe finally stopped though... flooding #kde and #konversation too :)07:30
nixternalRiddell and Jucato: I am willing to bet he is using Konversation07:30
nixternalthat is the auto-who in Konversation07:30
nixternalupon joining a channel07:30
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nixternalif he joins #ubuntu, #kde, #kubuntu, #c++ and some other big ones, it will kill him like that07:30
nixternalhe is using Edgy07:31
nixternalif he was using Feisty I believe that is fixed there, I worked with Sho_ and them getting that fixed months back07:31
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hungerRiddel: About libdecibel.so.1 -> libdecibel.so.0.3.0  why is 1 pointing at 0 ?: Why not?07:33
hungerRiddell: There was a libddecibel.so.0 at some point, I did some incompatible changes and increased the SOVERSION to 1. What else should I do?07:34
Riddellhunger: set the version to 1.x?  SET(VERSION "0.3.0") -> SET(VERSION "1.3.0")07:37
hungerRiddell: Why?07:37
hungerRiddell: The soversion and the version are independent.07:38
Riddellhunger: I've never seen a library with a different soversion and version07:38
Riddellit just feels wrong damnit!07:38
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RichiHyou guys can unban ryanakca_07:39
hungerRiddell: There are lots!07:39
hungerSorry... have to run to grab my pizza... BRB.07:39
Riddellhi RichiH07:41
RichiHRiddell: oi07:41
JucatoRiddell: I think ryanacka's ok now.07:42
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Riddellfree him07:42
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DaSkreechseele: Josef responded and said that he is using okular's Dialog and he would like to have it reviewed. Shall I send you the response?07:43
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JucatoRiddell: thanks :)07:43
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tomahunger: these are the rules: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/glibtool/libtool_6.html#SEC3507:43
DaSkreechMy Mouse has died07:44
DaSkreechWell not really07:44
DaSkreechDrag and drop has taken a hold of it and won't let go07:44
seeleDaSkreech: sure07:45
JucatoDaSkreech: I think it preferred to drag and hold07:46
DaSkreechJucato: It's ok I killed the ap I was dragging from and that worked07:47
hungertoma: I'll change it if you insist. I only increased the version no. because dholbach said I must.07:49
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Riddelltoma: does that mean its allowed or not?07:50
tomahunger: you must update the 0.3.0 to something else if you made changes as described07:51
Riddellhi rbrunhuber07:52
tomahunger: so 1.0.0 if you added, removed or changed an interface07:52
rbrunhuberwhat are the plans for kde and bluetooth for feisty? Will there be a pin_helper appliacation?07:52
tomahunger: point 4 in the documentation07:52
DaSkreechseele: Sent07:53
hungertoma: that does apply to production stuff, not development versions.07:54
hungertoma: I will not call decibel 1.0.0 before I think it is ready.07:54
alleehunger: then use 0.0.0 always ;)07:54
tomaits all about releases07:54
hungerallee: I was using version 0, but some package maintainers complained that I must increase the version no.07:55
tomawe are talking about library version here, right? not your main version number07:55
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alleehunger: well, without a public release I think it's nonsense.  When released one has to take care of API version07:57
alleehunger: but I consider KDE4 as snapshots not releases.  One always has to update everything at once.07:58
tomaelse we would have been at 985.59.45 maybe ;-)07:59
alleehunger: in KDE4 ist a hole framework in flux breaking API at least every monday.  Not a single library that changes a stable API to another one.07:59
alleetoma: why not? Computer have no problem with such numbers.  But ftp-master get grazy with 985 pkgs in new queue ;)08:00
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rbrunhuberRiddell: I tried the dist-upgrade tool today but had two bugs. Where should i file them? Launchpad?08:00
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Riddellrbrunhuber: oh great, thanks, were the bugs in the tool or adept?08:01
rbrunhuberRiddell: The tool never got launched.08:01
Riddellrbrunhuber: bluetooth, we just packaged the new kbluetoothe stuff, it's not really tested since I don't have any bluetooth hardware08:01
Riddellrbrunhuber: can you run adept_manager from the command line and see what output it gives?08:02
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rbrunhuberRiddell: 1. No KDEUpdateView found08:02
alleeRiddell: new kbluetooth? where?  I've mouse, headset, ISDN to play with.08:02
tomaallee: i would like to see their faces ;-)08:02
alleetoma: lol08:03
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Riddellallee: not new new, just the beta2 that was out last october08:03
rbrunhuberRiddell: 2. after I updated edgy to the max I had a permission problem that the update tool could not connect to X08:04
alleeRiddell: k, is it already in feisty?08:04
rbrunhuberRiddell: I must confess I did not test further I just wanted to get the upgrade done so i just used the aptitude dist-upgrade08:05
Riddellallee: sure08:05
Riddellrbrunhuber: what sources did you use for the packages?08:05
rbrunhuberRiddell:  For which packages? bt or upgrade tool?08:05
Riddellrbrunhuber: the upgrade stuff08:06
kdefreakThanks Riddell08:06
rbrunhuberthis one:  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/ .08:08
kdefreakRiddell: how do I test k-d-s? debuild && pbuilder-feisty ?08:08
Riddellrbrunhuber: hmm, ok, thanks08:08
seeleDaSkreech: eek, send it to seele@obso1337.org, kdemail is still down08:08
Riddellkdefreak: just debuild is fine08:08
rbrunhuberRiddell: Is the bt stuff in feisty-proposed?08:08
kdefreakbut, to test? that'll build the .dsc08:08
Riddellrbrunhuber: kdebluetooth is in normal feisty08:09
rbrunhuberbut it does not work08:09
Riddellkdefreak: `debuild`, not `debuild -S`08:09
kdefreakkk, thanks08:09
tomado I understand the release schedule correctly if I have time to March 15 to deliver patches for universe apps?08:10
rbrunhuberRiddell: It does not work. No pin helper showing up.  And "auto" security does not work either08:10
Riddelltoma: until release, it just gets harder to include stuff as time goes on08:10
tomao ok08:11
rbrunhuberallee: Can you confirm this?08:11
DaSkreechseele: Sent08:12
rbrunhuberRiddell: Back to the update stuff. Where should i file bugs?08:12
Riddellrbrunhuber: nowhere yet, those packages aren't official until they're in edgy-proposed08:13
Riddellrbrunhuber: but your feedback is helpful08:13
rbrunhuberRiddell: I heard there will be a new version these days. I'll reinstall another machine next WE so maybe i can give you more hints then08:14
Riddellrbrunhuber: that would be great08:14
rbrunhuberRiddell: Who should I poke about the kdebluetooth thing? launchpad? maintainer? you?08:16
Riddellrbrunhuber: good question, it really needs someone with some bluetooth hardware to fix it08:16
Riddellrbrunhuber: reporting a bug on launchpad would be a start08:16
Riddellbut maybe we need to buy allee beers or something08:16
mhbI'm back08:17
rbrunhuberRiddell, allee: I hope to meet allee soon so maybe i can convince him08:17
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rbrunhuberallee:  Riddell just asked if we need to offer you beer to get the bt stuff fixed08:18
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Riddellirn bru?08:19
alleespezi ;)08:19
alleebed time for yougest.  I'm back later and have a look at bt08:19
mhballee: kind of shows where you lie08:20
alleemhb: :)08:20
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kdefreakdebuild complains it can't find my secret key08:22
tomakdefreak: thats not really a problem08:23
tomaits just inisished now08:23
tomalook in ..08:23
kdefreakah, phew08:23
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=== kdefreak was worried... I copied over my backups from my old comp, and formatted my old comp
nixternalYAY! Just finished my arrays homework08:26
nixternaltime for some Kubuntu work I think08:26
nixternaldude, it annoys me that for the c++ class we don't do anything efficient08:26
kdefreakMy teacher is getting me to do a few python things for him, and then I can work on my own project :D08:27
nixternalhave like 20 while...loops, a few for...loops when it can all be done with one08:27
kdefreakMy teacher wants to sort 5 numbers in a list, ascending.08:28
nixternalhaha, I just finished that08:28
nixternalwith c++ though08:28
kdefreakHe wants it written the longway, instead of   listname.sort()08:28
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tomanixternal: put them as a klistviewitem in a klistview, sort it and walk through them...08:29
nixternalheh, that would kill my teacher08:29
kdefreakpython is so... easy... and simple. C++ looks evil and complicated08:29
Riddellnixternal: is kubuntu-feisty-docs going to be implemented on time?08:29
nixternalc++ is actually fairly easy once you start learning it correctly08:29
nixternalRiddell: of course08:29
nixternalthey will be going to the translators on March 8th08:30
Riddellnixternal: so we'll do an upload around then?08:30
nixternalthen when translations come back, we will do the final upload for release08:30
nixternalI have 3 more documents to really work on for the next week, so I will be busy with that08:31
kdefreakhmm... KMenu -> Switch User -> Start New Session    does KDM show up? All I get is a black screen with an arrow08:31
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=== kdefreak wonders if there's anybody in Myrtle Beach who could sign his GPG key next week...
oslohi when k9copy just finished to analyse a dvd it crashed ...08:33
osloit analizes all tracks then crashed08:33
rbrunhuberRiddell: just filed the bt bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/89291. I also subscribed kubuntu-testers.08:34
UbugtuMalone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 08:34
kdefreakRiddell: so, for volunteer hours, to time, use KArm?08:45
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Riddellrbrunhuber: when you were trying the patches08:50
Riddellrbrunhuber: did adept quit?08:50
kdefreakkk, fixed it. I just need to find where KControl/System Settings stores kwinpolyesterrc.08:50
kdefreakor polyesterrc...08:51
Riddellkdefreak: /etc/qt308:51
Riddellkdefreak: but that file is already in k-d-s08:51
kdefreakI'm just wondering what the differences between the old and the new one are08:52
kdefreak(The before, with shadow, and the new, without them)08:52
Riddelloh, it's in ~/.qt08:52
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kdefreakah, thanks08:53
RiddellDaSkreech: beta is before herd 608:53
DaSkreechYeah I saw08:53
DaSkreechAlmost close enough to start making wild assumptions about what the next version is going to be called and when we are going to have another LTS08:54
kdefreakRiddell: Still want the buttons to go dark when you hover over them?08:55
Riddellkdefreak: ask kwwii, but I seem to remember that was his main feature08:55
kdefreakkwwii: ?08:55
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kdefreakbuttons go dark or no?08:56
kwwiikdefreak: I think that the highlighting of the buttons is important08:57
kdefreakor, animated without dark08:57
kdefreakkwwii: well, it can be highlighted with the two purple stripes on the button, top and bottom08:57
kdefreakgoes lighter too08:57
kwwiiahhh, right08:58
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DaSkreechHow does Unix handle DST?09:19
DaSkreech I heard they moved it this year09:19
kdefreakkwwii: Riddell: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/Gryda/combined2.png09:21
kwwiikdefreak: I think that if we found a nicer selection color that might look much bette09:36
kdefreakkwwii: feel like finding a nicer selection color?09:41
kwwiikdefreak: yepp, I still wanted to work on that09:41
kdefreakkwwii: ok, so can I commit this, and then you can add the selection color?09:42
kwwiikdefreak: yeah, we can commit it and see who screams09:44
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kdefreakkwwii: so, diff for polyesterrc: http://pastebin.ca/37884809:47
kwwiilol, don't be giving me diff's :-)09:47
kdefreaklol, no,09:47
kdefreakbefore I commit, just to make sure I don't commit something that'll mess up everybody's comps09:48
kwwiibetter to ask tonio or riddell about that09:48
kdefreakRiddell: so, diff for polyesterrc: http://pastebin.ca/37884809:49
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mhbhi kwwii , any new goods for us ? :o)09:56
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kwwiimhb: yeah, the good news is that _I made a new OpenOffice splash screen today10:03
mhbkwwii: kubuntu-ish ?10:06
mhbkwwii: or is that the same for both U and K ?10:06
kwwiidifferent logos, I guess10:07
mhbkwwii: do you have a preview posted somewhere?10:07
kwwiimhb: not yet10:09
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DaSkreechRunning from the command line seems to have the unintended side effect of making it work10:16
kwwiimhb: http://sinecera.de/new_oosplash.png10:34
DaSkreechAnd one that is Blue I take it10:35
hungerMy OOo reports version 2.1. Will there be another update in feisty?10:39
kwwiihunger: i making two versions at the same time10:43
hungerkwwii: Seems wise:-)10:44
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kwwiisomething like: http://sinecera.de/new_kubuntu_oosplash.png10:47
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ryanakcakwwii: well, I'll just commit it since we haven't had a reply10:59
kwwiiryanakca: as long as you know what you are doing, go ahead :-)11:00
DaSkreechIs it wrong I like the KDE one better?11:03
LureDaSkreech: sky is blue after all ;-)11:05
DaSkreechWell not when the sun is setting11:05
LureDaSkreech: ;-)11:06
Lurekwwii: ^^^ hint for ubuntu version? ;-)11:06
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_StefanS_Riddell: I have sent you the patch for both kdm and ksmserver... it works now :D11:10
DaSkreechWhich is when most people like to take pics .Thought honestly with hte sea as a backdrop11:11
_StefanS_Riddell: What I just discoverd is that arrow keys are not working anymore..... damn. Wait for me to update it11:12
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ryanakcaRiddell: commited11:15
nixternalmentally commited ;p11:19
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nixternalI gave up 1 hour into it11:20
yuriynixternal: beats me11:20
nixternaldude, I don't see "ANYTHING" with GNOME beside aesthetics (initial)11:20
nixternalyou realize it is a pita to change gtk-engines11:21
yuriyi had to work on a ubuntu machine at work today :)11:21
nixternalyou can install murrine with Ubuntu, but you can't use it until you download the murrine-configurator from some website11:21
nixternalhave you seen the gnome-control-center?11:21
nixternalholy moly, could they put anything else in there?11:22
nixternalthat thing is loaded with every icon imaginable11:22
yuriyno, last time i tried gnome was edgy11:22
crimsun(that was reverted for 2.18, btw.)11:22
yuriyah i guess that's why they complain11:22
yuriynot that that's any different from kcontrol11:22
nixternalyuriy: true, but kcontrol is way cleaner11:22
yuriyexcept kcontrol has a tree11:22
nixternalno scrolling down for 5 minutes11:22
nixternalbut the main window of GNOME, the main GUI that is, the desktop...jeesh...that looks good11:23
crimsunerr, well, um, 'kde system settings' is way more sane11:23
nixternalcrimsun: just a tad11:23
yuriywell that's what happens when you have a separate configuration window for every little thing to make them "simple"11:23
nixternalwhat is a killer gnome app?11:24
nixternalfrom the menu, I don't see any that stand out11:24
nixternaltomboy is a great utility though, I do like that over anything KDE has11:24
nixternalthe GNOME terminal server client is way better than krdc11:25
nixternalcrimsun: why do they have "CD/DVD Creator" under the places menu? doesn't fit if you ask me11:26
nixternalnote taking app11:26
nixternalit is like a note/wiki app...it is killer11:26
crimsunnixternal: I spend 99% of the time in gnome staring at a full screen terminal.11:27
yuriyi want to say gaim, gimp, and inkscape are the killer apps but they're cross platform11:27
nixternallol crimsun11:27
nixternalI do the same with KDE as well11:27
nixternalalt+f1-6 and 7 when I need to browse the web and want umm...YouTube :)11:27
yuriyhmm thinking of starting a blog after all, though i doubt i'll use it much11:33
yuriyneed to get my screennames straight...11:34
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Riddellyay, herd 511:37
nixternalinstalling it now on my machine11:38
ryanakcaRiddell: commited. 7:48 minutes of volunteer work 11:40
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bdmurrayRiddell: ping11:40
Riddellhi bdmurray11:41
ryanakcaRiddell: Would you like to wait untill I get more, or do you want to send a GPG signed email each time I get some done?11:41
Riddellryanakca: send it in for each day you do stuff11:41
bdmurrayMy mp3 player is showing up in the konqueror url title bar as a camera.  What should I submit the bug against?11:42
yuriykonqueror user agent string changed? :( for one site i guess it's not that bad, but i don't think it's good to skew the statistics even more than they already are11:42
Riddellerr, weird11:42
Riddellbdmurray: kdebase-kio-plugins I guess11:43
Riddellyuriy: they don't really leave us with much choice11:43
Riddellryanakca: +shadowedButtonsText=true  that right?11:44
bdmurrayIs there anything I look at to track down where the issue is?11:44
ryanakcaRiddell: umm, I believe it is11:45
Riddellryanakca: I have no shadows on my buttons and my file in ~/.qt is set to false11:46
=== ryanakca uncommits and fixes then
Riddellhalbackend.cpp:    if (libhal_device_query_capability(m_halContext, mediumUdi, "camera", NULL))11:47
Riddellhalbackend.cpp:                mimeType = "media/camera" + MOUNT_SUFFIX;11:47
Riddellbdmurray: anything about camera in `lshal`?11:47
Riddellryanakca: no need to uncommit, just a fix will do :)11:48
ryanakcaRiddell: I had already run it... unless there's an ununcommit...11:49
Riddellnope, carry on11:51
bdmurrayfound this -- info.capabilities = {'camera', 'portable_audio_player'}11:51
Riddellbdmurray: that'll be it then, all hal's fault11:51
Riddellbdmurray: although I expect there's a perfectly rational explanation for hal to report it as a camera11:52
bdmurraywell, it can show pictures11:52
bdmurrayor images11:53
Riddellso it probably matches whatever hal uses to detect if it's a camera11:53
Riddellanyway, hal's bug :)11:53
bdmurraysounds good11:54
ryanakcaRiddell: done11:57
Riddellryanakca: what command did you use to revert?11:58
ryanakcaRiddell: bzr uncommit12:00
RiddellI didn't know about that commantd12:01
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Riddellnot sure it's a good idea to actually erase history on the whole12:01
Riddelldput ubuntu kubuntu-default-settings_7.04-24_source.changes12:01
Riddelluploaded, many thanks12:01
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ryanakcaunless you have something else for me to do 12:02
Riddellyou could work out why google suggest doesn't work12:02
ryanakcain konqueror?12:03
=== ryanakca hopes this doesn't have anything to do with C++
Riddellit does12:03
ryanakcaRiddell: jriddel @ ubuntu @ com ?12:03
=== ryanakca should probably learn C++ first...
Riddellor, you could package KDE 412:03
ryanakcakk, thanks12:03
Riddellit's actually not too hard12:04
Riddellor you could go back to your webserver12:04
Riddelldamnit Ubugtu, kde 4 is not a bug!12:04
LureRiddell: same as mandriva 2007 ;-)12:05
UbugtuMandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=200712:05
Riddellat least they fixed that bug :)12:09
Riddellnight all12:09
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ryanakcanight Riddell12:13
yuriynight Riddell12:13

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