[01:46] <manchicken> Heh, as soon as people at work heard I was going to UDS they gave me a bunch of free stuff.  heh
[01:55] <manchicken> Yay!  adept 2.1.2ubuntu19 doesn't die all the time!
[02:09] <ryanakca> manchicken: weee!
[02:11] <manchicken> It'll rock your world
[02:13] <Jucato> Adept will rock my world? hm... :D
[02:27] <manchicken> yes
[02:28] <Jucato> :D
[02:40] <nixternal> oi you people
[02:58] <crimsun> dang, I managed to break every model _but_ nixternal's
[02:59] <ajmitch> hi crimsun
[02:59] <crimsun> must be that KDE voodoo protecting him
[02:59] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[03:03] <nixternal> woohoo
[03:12] <seele> Riddell: ping
[03:13] <seele> hmm.. i guess its a bit late
[03:29] <nixternal> hiya seele, how is the weather in the nations capital this evening?
[03:43] <seele> rainy and cold :)
[03:49] <manchicken> nixternal: I'm going to UDS by the way ^_^
[04:23] <nixternal> boo
[04:23] <nixternal> to you manchicken
[04:23] <nixternal> ya seele, it is about the same here, we are waiting for some snow tonight though
[04:23] <manchicken> heh
[04:24] <nixternal> I will be at Northern in the morning giving a free software and community love speach
[04:24] <nixternal> dunno why, they have the worst engineering/IT school there is
[04:24] <nixternal> I am sure a majority of their students are MySpace junkies
[04:25] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal, manchicken
[04:26] <nixternal> hola Hobbsee
[04:26] <nixternal> brb
[04:26] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll see you in May!
[04:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken: WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:27] <claydoh> someone needs to organize something up here in the wilderness of Maine so i don't have to travel to events
[04:28] <claydoh> that way everyone has to travel far, except for me :)
[04:28] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Work gave me a bunch of 64MB thumb drives and other swag.  heh.  I'm not sure how I feel about distributing them at the UDS.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken: nice.... :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken: why would you?  or wouldnt you?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> claydoh: heh
[04:29] <manchicken> I wouldn't turn UDS into a trade-show ^_^
[04:30] <Hobbsee> define "distributing" then
[04:30] <manchicken> I'll have them in my book-bag as I walk around, and if people ask I'll share ^_^
[04:31] <manchicken> They have some pretty stupid ideas for swag though.
[04:31] <manchicken> They've got analog pedometers and binoculars.
[04:31] <manchicken> heh
[04:31] <manchicken> It's pretty crazy.  heh
[04:32] <manchicken> The marketing people found out and gave me an insane amount of stuff.
[04:32] <manchicken> I was only asking for a t-shirt to wear to represent since they're giving me 2 free days of paid time off ^_^
[04:32] <manchicken> They went a little crazy.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> manchicken: heh
[04:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: as in, you're giving them away, or selling them?
[04:33] <manchicken> But I have a feeling that the thumb drives will be welcome.
[04:33] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm a geek, not a business man.  I freely give ^_^
[04:33] <Hobbsee> oh right, gotcha.  wasnt sure what doubleclick was, though
[04:33] <manchicken> I don't think they would be either, but they're certainly useful.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> true
[04:33] <manchicken> Ah.  It's an online ad company.
[04:34] <manchicken> I wonder if these drives have anything on them.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sorry, i was unclear - i meant that i didnt know if doubleclick meant for you to sell or give them away
[04:34] <Hobbsee> manchicken: adware :P
[04:35] <manchicken> This thing also has a nice USB extension cable ^_^
[04:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:38] <manchicken> These are neat.
[04:39] <claydoh> my wife went to a dog trainer/shelter worker seminar and for soemreaon they gave out mini laptop optical mice with retractible cord/mini usb hub
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Better than a pen
[04:40] <manchicken> claydoh: that's pretty neat.
[04:40] <manchicken> DaSkreech: There are some really nice pens out there ^_^
[04:40] <claydoh> we have no laptop but it comes in handy when you need to plug in multiple thumb drives at once :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> claydoh: you dont havea  laptop?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> manchicken: true but not form a marketing team that gives you an assorted bag of things to hand out :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i have one of those little mice :)
[04:41] <DaSkreech> I don't
[04:41] <claydoh> Hobbsee: nope, too much $$ for us at the moment
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Sell me :)
[04:41] <claydoh> tho I do have an old 233 mmx chipped tinkpad my brother gave me
[04:42] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I'm gonna see if I can get any more neat stuff.
[04:42] <manchicken> I think the thumb drives were only supposed to be for clients.
[04:42] <claydoh> too heavy to be a laptop
[04:42] <manchicken> heh
[04:42] <DaSkreech> manchicken: do you have to account for the stuff when you get back?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: where are you again?
[04:42] <manchicken> Don't forget that I'm still looking for hardware for my compile farm ^_^
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Opposite you
[04:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: most places are.
[04:42] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Nope.
[04:42] <DaSkreech> manchicken: :)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: caribbean
[04:43] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *grin* - i wouldnt try to compile too much on my old laptop
[04:43] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ahh
[04:43] <manchicken> DaSkreech: They're giving it to me in the hopes that I'll give it to people who will say nice things about the company.  I'm taking it with the hopes that people will think it's neat and enjoy playing with it... at least for a few minutes.
[04:43] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Every bit helps.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i've had this laptop up to 88C.
[04:43] <manchicken> I want to get a Kubuntu w/Mach running ^_^
[04:43] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you've spoken to imbrandon about a build farm, presumably?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> manchicken: If you don't give your stuff away you end up with a bag full of stuff :-/
[04:44] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Not yet.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> manchicken: The OO.o builds are metered
[04:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: seeing as he's doing that too.
[04:44] <manchicken> DaSkreech: The GLUGs and LoCo's will love it then.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> well test builds
[04:44] <DaSkreech> German Lugs?
[04:44] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Is he doing Mach builds?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: mach?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Gnome Lugs??!!??
[04:44] <manchicken> DaSkreech: GLUG == Gnu/Linux Users' Group
[04:44] <manchicken> Hobbsee: The GNU kernel
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Stallman?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> You use Hurd?
[04:45] <manchicken> Not yet.  I'd like to play with it though ^_^
[04:45] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no idea
[04:45] <manchicken> or maybe even try it with alternate kernels.
[04:45] <manchicken> Linux isn't the only kernel ^_^
[04:45] <manchicken> We have choices in GUI and such, why not kernels too?
[04:46] <jdong> manchicken: well it's the only kernel that really matters.
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[04:46] <manchicken> I doubt it.
[04:46] <jdong> ;-)
[04:46] <jdong> just like vim is the only text editor that does
[04:46] <DaSkreech> jdong: HEY!!
[04:46] <DaSkreech> You can't end the flamewar there!
[04:46] <jdong> or like GNOME is the only desktop environment that does.
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[04:46] <manchicken> jdong: It's a decent kernel, but it isn't the only one.
[04:46] <jdong> manchicken: that matters. :)
[04:47] <manchicken> I like the linux kernel, I just like to play with other things, too ^_^
[04:48] <jdong> tha'ts what she said.
[04:48] <jdong> :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> ! Jucato
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Jucato> O.o
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato!
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Basket!
[04:50] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! hi DaSkreech!
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Hello
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Jucato: played with 1.0?
[04:51] <Jucato> using it
[04:51] <Jucato> but not really *using* it...
[04:51] <Hobbsee> woo, basket!
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Basket case
[04:52] <DaSkreech> What's the newness that makes it Woo! one!
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: 1.0?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> hunger_t: new name?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: How did the stalker thing work out?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I heard you got to work safely
[05:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah.  dunno who they were.  *shrug*
[05:34] <Hobbsee> work was silly anyway
[05:34] <Jucato> actually, she was more worried that they had something in mind for her house
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Well anyone who thinks that Hobbsee's house is more valuable than Princess Pointy is probably an idiot anyway
[05:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:37] <DaSkreech> So you are using basket 1.0 Hobbsee?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Konqi-win_white.png
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Ugh
[05:37] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: correct
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Did you use the previous versions?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> In any case what's your impression of this one?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> it's much shinier, polished
[05:41] <DaSkreech> I like polish :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I just toss stuff in baskets as I need them and then look at them a yaer on and say Ohhh yeaaahhhh
[05:44] <manchicken> If you do KDE 3.6.5 with edgy does basket come in?
[05:44] <Jucato> nope
[05:44] <Jucato> basket isn't released w/ KDE
[05:44] <manchicken> Wasn't sure.
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Nope
[05:44] <manchicken> Is there a way to get basket going with edgy?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> and sure isn't relelased with *untu
[05:45] <Jucato> manchicken: their website has a .deb for edgy
[05:45] <DaSkreech> apt-get install basket :)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> !basket
[05:45] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[05:45] <manchicken> Fun.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> !basket feisty
[05:45] <Jucato> oh... I was presuming you were talking about the latest release
[05:45] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Whoot :)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> !frozen-bubble feisty
[05:45] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.1.0-1 (feisty), package size 150 kB, installed size 712 kB
[05:45] <Jucato> all thanks to Hobbsee's poking no doubt
[05:45] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:46] <DaSkreech> !find freedroid
[05:46] <ubotu> Found: freedroid, freedroid-data
[05:46] <DaSkreech> :-(
[05:46] <DaSkreech> !find seamonkey
[05:46] <ubotu> Package/file seamonkey does not exist in edgy
[05:46] <manchicken> I beat my game last night.
[05:46] <manchicken> I'm disappointed though... I don't have a game to play.
[05:46] <Jucato> !botabuse | DaSkreech
[05:46] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Freedroid-rpg
[05:46] <DaSkreech> manchicken: What type of games do you play?
[05:47] <manchicken> Mostly Nintendo and PS2.
[05:47] <manchicken> This one was a DS game.
[05:47] <manchicken> Hotel Dusk
[05:47] <manchicken> Excellent story.
[05:48] <DaSkreech> I head about that one
[05:49] <Jucato> DS...
[05:51] <Jucato> very handy, portableapps..
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yup
[05:54] <Jucato> me too
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Shared Hallucinations?
[05:55] <Jucato> shared insanity
[05:56] <manchicken> http://www.anyconsole.com/
[05:56] <manchicken> I put up a review for that game ^_^
[06:00] <manchicken> There are two that I'm aware of.
[06:00] <manchicken> My wife personally played and hated both of them ^_^
[06:00] <Jucato> haha
[06:00] <Jucato> yeah, I know. I'm sick :D
[06:01] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Is your wife womanrooster?
[06:01] <manchicken> DaSkreech: mrschicken
[06:01] <DaSkreech> I thought that was Ms Sanders
[06:01] <manchicken> Okie dokie kiddos, I'm gonna boogie off to beddy-bye.  Buhbye.
[06:01] <Jucato> chicken, afaik, is gender neutral...
[06:02] <jdong> Jucato: more often than not, females tend to be chicken while males will have the balls.
[06:02] <Jucato> lol
[06:02] <DaSkreech> jdong: unless you are henpecked
[06:02] <manchicken> FYI, birds don't have balls ;)
[06:02] <Jucato> they do have eggs...
[06:03] <jdong> manchicken: of course not. They use divine reproduction.
[06:03] <manchicken> jdong: Of course.  That's common knowledge.
[06:03] <manchicken> Good night.  Leaving for real this time.
[06:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do you know what's the diff between sub-basket and sibling basket?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> yes.  try it out
[06:08] <Hobbsee> is the easiest way to see it
[06:08] <Jucato> hm....
[06:08] <Jucato> it creates a basket on the same level as the other sibling basket?
[06:09] <Jucato> bah.. I'll just read the docs somewhere ;D
[06:12] <DaSkreech> I've never tried a basket hierarchy. How do you do that?
[06:12] <Jucato> Sub-baskets...
[06:13] <Jucato> although I have one issue/wish regarding that...
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I can drag this new basket down under the other basket. How do I get it back out
[06:14] <DaSkreech> ah
[06:14] <Jucato> drag out again? :D
[06:14] <DaSkreech> That was more difficult than I thought :)
[06:14] <DaSkreech> It wouldn't go
[06:15] <Jucato> ??
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Well it it wouldn't!
[06:16] <Jucato> ok... but that's just strange..
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Gnight
[06:52] <Hobbsee> right.  i think i've got all the apps of interes
[06:53] <Jucato> :)
[06:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: Just wanted to say this: we should courage to file things, not deny it. ;)
[06:58] <Jucato> sure
[06:58] <Tm_T> Jucato: Altough I agree with you at most part.
[06:58] <Tm_T> Ok, keep kids in order, I'm going to work. ->
[06:58] <Jucato> I'm only trying to save him from going through somethings I did regarding System Settings
[08:20] <lexual> can anyone check out: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141502 , do you think it may be a kubuntu bug??
[08:20] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 141502 in kioslave "mediamanager always mounts hotplug devices regardless of config" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[09:10] <Tm_T> Mooh.
[09:11] <Jucato> wrong distro :)
[09:11] <Tm_T> Jucato: Nah, apt-get has supercow powers too.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> er, caps letters
[09:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: FAT doesn't know utf8 perhaps?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'm not sure.
[09:16] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Well, IIRC it doesn't. ;)
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's vfat, using utf-8 charset
[09:16] <Tm_T> Aah.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> according to the konqi defaults
[09:16] <freeflying> hi all
[09:17] <Tm_T> Anyway, might be some nice mount/format issue.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: how do i debug it?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying
[09:18] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Uff, err, sorry but I'm in work atm so can't really help. :(
[09:18] <Hobbsee> okay
[09:18] <Tm_T> Gotta go anyway. ->
[09:24] <yuriy> lexual: i don't know if it's a kubuntu bug, but i know there is a bug on launchpad for it
[09:25] <lexual> yuriy: bug number?
[09:27] <yuriy> lexual: bug 69561
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69561 in kdebase "Mediamanager in kde 3.5.5 does not honour automount setting" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69561
[09:28] <yuriy> lexual: also bug 56043
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56043 in kdebase "KDE media storage default action can't be removed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56043
[09:29] <serzholino> I can confirm 56043 in edgy
[09:29] <Hobbsee> gah, why do all the kde backup programs all *suck*???
[09:30] <serzholino> Once selected don't do anything on flash drive plug
[09:30] <serzholino> And can't change it anymore
[09:31] <yuriy> serzholino: yeah i can too, but do you get the crash?
[09:33] <serzholino> don't remember, have to check at my home desktop
[09:33] <serzholino> I'll write a comment if i have crash
[12:01] <doko> anybody wants to look into some kde build failures?
[12:01] <doko> make[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/konserve-0.10.3'
[12:01] <doko> *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.
[12:01] <doko> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[12:02] <doko> konserve, kat, ksniffer, kalcul
[12:02] <Jucato> do you have autoconf and automake (pref. automake1.9) installed?
[12:02] <doko> Jucato: I don't mind, please see the build logs in launchpad
[12:04] <Riddell> it needs the patch at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff
[12:16] <_StefanS_> hello
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato !
[12:16] <Jucato> no new bugs from the forums yet :D
[12:26] <Hobbsee> doko: how much stuff still needs to be patched fr that?
[12:26] <doko> Hobbsee: I don't know, just seen these failures while rebuilding for ldbl128
[12:26] <Hobbsee> doko: how much are you rebuilding?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> oh darn, i can only see per build machine, rather than for all build machines.
[12:31] <doko> Hobbsee: only the uploader gets these emails
[12:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: good hearing that..
[12:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I was just away for a few minutes
[12:31] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I have now removed the Enter action from the dialog, and i'm going to set a QEvent = Enter on the button that has focus instead.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> doko: well, that's kind of useless if you want a group of us to fix them...unless you can put them up somewhere or something
[12:32] <Hobbsee> doko: or forward them to kubuntu-devel@l.u.c, i gues
[12:32] <Hobbsee> s
[12:33] <Jucato> _StefanS_: cool. please also test it with different default logout actions :)
[12:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: err, what do you mean?
[12:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the default action is Logout
[12:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager -> Default Shutdown Options
[12:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you
[12:35] <Jucato> me?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you're thinking about the dropdown menu ?
[12:35] <Jucato> see above ^^^
[12:35] <_StefanS_> ah I see
[12:36] <_StefanS_> I have to dig up the settings for those in order to react upon them
[12:36] <_StefanS_> will make a note
[12:36] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ah so the new logout dialog doesn't honor that yet?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> doko: i'll start fixing.  if you can give me a list of more, that'd be good.
[12:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I mean, it doesn't change the default action based on those settings?
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope it doesnt.. Logout is always set to focus
[12:37] <Jucato> aaah
[12:37] <doko> Hobbsee: will do, if I get more reports for failed builds
[12:37] <Hobbsee> doko: thanks.
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Jucato: could do one thing for me then ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> doko: do you remember who was doing a total rebuild test?  we're going to keep getting bitten on this
[12:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: as long as it doesn't involve upgrading to feisty yet?
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: It would be cool if you could find those settings for me, in edgy they are the same..
[12:38] <doko> Hobbsee: I'm not aware of a rebuild test for universe
[12:38] <Jucato> _StefanS_: the config file for it?
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes, and the possible settings for it
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: would help alot
[12:38] <Jucato> ok I'll research
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I will do that Enter event thing now
[12:39] <Hobbsee> oh darn, this stuff's going to require a manual shove
[12:42] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ~/.kde/config/ksmserverrc
[12:43] <Jucato> shutdownType=
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oh, i thought it was somewhere else.. cool it will only make it easier
[12:43] <Riddell> wow, Kooka works
[12:43] <Riddell> I've never tried it before
[12:43] <Riddell> and printing works too
[12:43] <Riddell> maybe this feisty thing will be all good
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kooka is especially cool if you got a network scanner :) - works out of the box without drivers
[12:44] <Jucato> _StefanS_: shutdownType=0 (End current session); =1 (Restart Computer) =2 (Turn off computer)
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: thanks :)
[12:45] <Jucato> _StefanS_: np :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hopefully :)
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just tested the shutdown options.. it already works
[12:49] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ah cool. great! :D
[12:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it gets inserted when the default kdebase gets patched
[12:49] <Hobbsee> yay, fixed the automake for them :)
[12:49] <_StefanS_> 			if ( sdtype == KApplication::ShutdownTypeReboot )
[12:49] <_StefanS_> 				btnReboot->setFocus();
[12:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ^ and so on for each button
[12:50] <Jucato> I'll pretend I actually understood that, ok? :)
[12:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes.
[12:52] <_StefanS_> wow the cpu usage in basKet sucks... 100% cpu when resizing text fields :)
[12:52] <Jucato> upon closer look, I think I do understand it after all. lol
[12:52] <_StefanS_> someone is drawing the stuff all wrong..
[02:13] <hunger> Are the mime types messed up? I get this message: "Type: Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" with a locale of en_UK in konqui when saving a file from the web.
[02:20] <Riddell> hunger: en_UK?  it should be en_GB
[02:20] <Riddell> still shouldn't end up as french though
[02:28] <hunger> Riddell: you are right, it is en_GB.
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the fix is just about done
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've got a fix for the logout concerning enter/return for the buttons (it wasn't working). I have a kdebase-ubuntu12 w/patches, and my changes on top
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: how do I proceed, do you want me to do a regular diff between the two patched versions, or a diff against an unpatched version ?
[03:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great, I just noticed that today
[03:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: a debdiff from current version is good
[03:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will try
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: argh.. the usual stuff. I will make a diff instead
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the diff is in your mail
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hope you forgive me for sending it as a diff :)
[03:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no problem
[03:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its a rather small patch ..
[03:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: great, I will to implement that in the kdm thing as well.. you will get another patch for that soon
[03:29] <_StefanS_> will have to
[03:31] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nice :) (sorry just got back)
[03:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep sure hope so :)
[03:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I found that he dialog in kdm suffers the same stuff, so I'm just compiling that one now with the changes
[03:32] <Jucato> oh...
[03:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: best to fix it all around
[03:33] <Jucato> :D
[03:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hmm what things are you thinking about ? the pictures for the buttons are changeable, and so is the buttons according to the style selected
[03:35] <Jucato> _StefanS_: something like the present greeter (which I just recently learned actually GDM Greeter themes...)
[03:35] <Jucato> but hey, maybe for some other person... you've already got a lot to do :)
[03:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe..
[03:38] <Jucato> :)
[03:56] <mhb> good afternoon
[04:03] <mhb> can I have a suggestion?
[04:03] <mhb> well it's probably a bug, but it's solvable easily
[04:04] <mhb> on my Feisty box, kdm is ran as one of the last apps, with priority 99
[04:04] <mhb> OTOH gdm has a priority around 13
[04:05] <mhb> the outcome is that when I start my kubuntu system, it switches into console shortly before switching to X11
[04:05] <mhb> but AFAIK it won't do the same with gdm, because gdm is started earlier
[04:06] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder when that changed back
[04:06] <mhb> I've clean-installed one of the earlier Herd builds, so I guess the problem is still in feisty
[04:07] <Riddell> yes, I confirm it on my install form yesterday
[04:07] <Riddell> it should be something lower, although we had problems at S13
[04:07] <mhb> yes, that's what I think
[04:08] <mhb> it can be relatively high up, but low enough so the system won't switch into console mode first
[04:08] <mhb> should I file a bug about it?
[04:13] <Riddell> mhb: just keep poking until someone fixes it
[04:13] <Riddell> or look at kdebase and work out why it's not doing it
[04:14] <mhb> so we (kubuntu devs) can fix it?
[04:14] <Riddell> well, sure
[04:14] <mhb> oh, I'll check then
[04:14] <Riddell> that's what kubuntu devs are for :)
[04:14] <mhb> I thought that stuff is decided somewhere else
[04:15] <Riddell> mhb: it's in kdebase's debian directory, maybe the install part is missing compared to edgy
[04:15] <Riddell> the install to lower number part
[04:15] <mhb> thanks
[04:15] <mhb> I'll check it out
[04:15] <mhb> Riddell: nobody has worked on that font bug except me, I presume?
[04:16] <Riddell> mhb: no
[04:17] <mhb> Riddell: good, I'll continue on it then
[04:17] <mhb> thanks for the advice
[04:17] <Riddell> it may even be worth asking lars@trolltech since he's incharge of font stuff in qt
[04:18] <mhb> okay ... I'll try to identify the troublemaking code now
[04:19] <mhb> I'll ask him if necessary
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:38] <Jucato> "First of all kubuntu project is one of the best distro i have ever seen.Thank you for making such a wonderful project like this." - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080374.msg57191
[04:38] <Riddell> yay
[04:38] <Jucato> :)
[05:13] <Riddell> ooh, I got ktux in KDE 4 to work
[05:13] <Riddell> doesn't crash or anything
[05:14] <mhb> that's great ... I guess :o)
[05:15] <Lathiat> are you implying 'doesnt crash == to work' ;)
[05:15] <Lathiat> i mean if it compiles, ship it, right? ;)
[05:15] <Riddell> it's in NEW
[05:21] <bddebian> heh
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I don't get The Moo reference
[05:26] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you mean my "wrong distro" reply to Tm_T?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Jucato: The new logout dialog being themeable?
[05:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: "wondering"
[05:47] <mhb> I don't think so but _StefanS_ knows better than me
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yes the wrong distro comment
[05:48] <Jucato> mhb: it was more of  a dream than an actual suggestion :)
[05:48] <DaSkreech> I'm readin everything I missed from 10 Yesterday
[05:49] <Jucato> DaSkreech: Gentoo's mascot is Larry the Cow
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Seriously?
[05:50] <Jucato> it's a joke we often throw around in #kde... so when we say "moo", it most usually refers to Gento
[05:50] <Jucato> Gentoo
[05:51] <DaSkreech> A cow.
[05:51] <DaSkreech> 0.o
[05:51] <DaSkreech> In anycase our mascot is a gearhead :)
[05:51] <Jucato> yes... I don't know why apt has cows too
[05:52] <DaSkreech> is the new uncrashable adept in the repos?
[05:52] <DaSkreech> I actually knew the story behind that. Don't recall it now
[05:52] <goldenear> I've found that some websites using flash won't display any text if the msttcorefonts package in not installed... Because of the legality issue of this package, I wonder if there is any other solution (such as fonts name alias or something) ?
[05:52] <DaSkreech> and the aptitude -v-vv-vvv-vvvv trick
[05:54] <goldenear> I think we would need a solution that permits (k)ubuntu to display correctly any (flash) website.
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Get Gnash to work :)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> seele: ping
[05:57] <Riddell> hunger:  libdecibel.so.1 -> libdecibel.so.0.3.0  why is 1 pointing at 0 ?
[05:58] <Riddell> SET(VERSION "0.3.0")
[05:58] <Riddell> SET(SO_VERSION "1")
[05:58] <Riddell> hmm, that looks wrong to me
[05:59] <Riddell> goldenear: that's really a bug in flash
[05:59] <Riddell> goldenear: it'll be hard to have people make sure core changes because of bugs in proprietry software
[06:00] <goldenear> Why do you think it's a bug...
[06:00] <Riddell> goldenear: if a font isn't available it should fall back on something else
[06:02] <goldenear> the issue is that you can't be sure about what font is installed or not... and all fonts don't have the same proportions.
[06:02] <Riddell> every other app manages fine
[06:02] <Riddell> including pdf viewers
[06:03] <goldenear> you're right.
[06:04] <goldenear> But this bug was already there in flash 6 and 7 and is still there with flash 9
[06:04] <goldenear> :(
[06:06] <Riddell> "For Kubuntu, install the following package: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev"  ooh, kdemultimedia has a cmake message just for us
[06:10] <mhb> Riddell: so the bug is in the Debian patch that simultaneously fixes the fonts
[06:10] <mhb> 61_fcfontmatch_fontwidth_fix.dpatch
[06:12] <Riddell> mhb: nasty
[06:12] <Riddell> mhb: any idea where that patch come from?
[06:18] <allee> Riddell: it's strange but when objdump -p /path/to/libdecibel.so.0.3.0 | grep -i soname  gives libdecibel.so.1  it's at least working strangeness ;)
[06:19] <Riddell> allee: yeah, it'll probably work, but it just seems all wrong to me
[06:20] <allee> Riddell: yes
[06:21] <mhb> Riddell: I guess it's from Debian
[06:22] <Riddell> mhb: aye but who wrote it I wonder
[06:23] <mhb> Riddell: Modestas Vainius
[06:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: did anyone fix the install-mp3 script?  I can't remember
[06:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: Tonio did...
[06:24] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[06:24] <ryanakca> well, he did last I heard from him
[06:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: fix k-d-s to not have shadows on the menu bar and button text
[06:25] <Riddell> in polyester
[06:25] <ryanakca> kk
[06:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: you should be able to commit directly
[06:25] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Snow day?
[06:25] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: well, out here in canada, when there's too much snow and freezing rain, buses can't go out for safety reasons... so... no school :D
[06:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: commit directly?
[06:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: to the k-d-s archive
[06:26] <Riddell> yes
[06:26] <ryanakca> kk
[06:26] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Ah. so it's a Holiday just not .. you know .. holy
[06:26] <ryanakca> yup
[06:26] <mhb> ryanakca: I wish we had snowdays here
[06:26] <yuriy> it's pouring rain here :(
[06:26] <ryanakca> mhb: lol
[06:27] <mhb> ryanakca: we had like a week of snow
[06:27] <DaSkreech> We don't get raindays :(
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Or Sun days!
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Wait.. we do get Sundays off
[06:27] <DaSkreech> never mind :)
[06:27] <ryanakca> we got a pile of freezing rain... early this morning you couldn't see out of the windows because they were frozen. melted now... but roads are still slippery (or so I'm told)
[06:27] <mhb> Riddell: the name is not known to me but I'll try to contact him
[06:27] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: lol
[06:27] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: So if you had a really bad extended winter Canada gets dumber by a year?
[06:28] <Riddell> mhb: who is it?
[06:28] <ryanakca> guess so... but we usually only get them 2-3 times a year...
[06:28] <mhb> 18:26 < mhb> Riddell: Modestas Vainius
[06:29] <manchicken> ryanakca: We've got some serious snow over here as well.
[06:29] <Riddell> mhb: oh, that's a name :)
[06:29] <ryanakca> so, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu    , *edit*, bzr commit -m "Removed shadows on menu bar and button text"   ,   bzr push sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu          %
[06:29] <ryanakca> s/%/?
[06:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: Planet will be a bit bluer soon, (I'll set up my webserver on my old comp, now that I have a new one)
[06:31] <Riddell> groovy
[06:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: no
[06:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: checkout from sftp
[06:31] <Riddell> and commit
[06:31] <DaSkreech> waht happeed to Xen by default?
[06:31] <Riddell> no need to branch
[06:31] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[06:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it was locked up and the key thrown away
[06:32] <DaSkreech> I was trying to figure out what would be the point of a SSh accesile server with xen
[06:32] <DaSkreech> accessible even. Xen is a in-front-of-the-monitor type technology isn't it?
[06:33] <jdong> DaSkreech: errr,no?
[06:33] <jdong> xen is great for virtual servers
[06:33] <Riddell> Xen != vmware
[06:34] <Riddell> the point is if your computer crashes you can have another linux running underneith to pick up the pieces
[06:37] <mhb> Riddell: mail sent
[06:38] <mhb> if he won't reply within a couple of days, I'll try to fix it myself
[06:39] <Riddell> brave man, fonts are crazy voodoo stuff
[06:39] <DaSkreech> no I understand that you can spawn a new Xen instance and use that as a virtual server
[06:39] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes, that's the whole point of virtual servers
[06:39] <DaSkreech>  I'm saying what is the point of offering a server with a dom0 ?
[06:40] <Riddell> in xen by default it would be your main machine
[06:40] <DaSkreech> can you ssh in from the Philippine islands and spawn three new doms and jump to them?
[06:40] <Riddell> I expect so
[06:40] <DaSkreech> How do you jump in ssh?
[06:40] <Riddell> but this isn't the best channel for this conversation
[06:40] <mhb> Riddell: there is +  update-rc.d kdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null 2>&1
[06:41] <mhb> Riddell: in the edgy-updates kdebase source
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ok fine
[06:41] <Riddell> mhb: and in feisty?
[06:41] <mhb> Riddell: 99
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Adept still crashes :(
[06:42] <mhb>   update-rc.d kdm defaults 99 01 >/dev/null
[06:42] <Riddell> mhb: copy the stuff from edgy then and send me a debdiff
[06:43] <mhb> I have to go for a minute now but I'll send you the debdiff later today
[06:43] <Riddell> groovy
[06:57] <ryanakca> anybody know when jenda will be back?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Who is Johan Thelin?
[07:12] <ryanakca> no clue. How do I test k-d-s?
[07:12] <ryanakca> debuild and pbuild?
[07:13] <ryanakca> or just sudo make install?
[07:17] <seele> DaSkreech: pong
[07:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: just a debuild is fine
[07:25] <Jucato> er ryanakca....
[07:26] <Jucato> Riddell: could I temporarily +q ryanakca_?
[07:26] <Riddell> grr, I still can't kick
[07:26] <Riddell> Jucato: be my guest
[07:26] <Jucato> in #kubuntu I mean
[07:26] <Jucato> I can't here....
[07:27] <Jucato> gr...
[07:27] <Riddell> kickban him!
[07:27] <Jucato> bah!
[07:28] <Jucato> removed the quiet
[07:29] <nixternal> heh
[07:30] <Jucato> he finally stopped though... flooding #kde and #konversation too :)
[07:30] <nixternal> Riddell and Jucato: I am willing to bet he is using Konversation
[07:30] <nixternal> that is the auto-who in Konversation
[07:30] <nixternal> upon joining a channel
[07:30] <nixternal> if he joins #ubuntu, #kde, #kubuntu, #c++ and some other big ones, it will kill him like that
[07:31] <nixternal> he is using Edgy
[07:31] <nixternal> if he was using Feisty I believe that is fixed there, I worked with Sho_ and them getting that fixed months back
[07:31] <Jucato> :D
[07:33] <hunger> Riddel: About libdecibel.so.1 -> libdecibel.so.0.3.0  why is 1 pointing at 0 ?: Why not?
[07:34] <hunger> Riddell: There was a libddecibel.so.0 at some point, I did some incompatible changes and increased the SOVERSION to 1. What else should I do?
[07:37] <Riddell> hunger: set the version to 1.x?  SET(VERSION "0.3.0") -> SET(VERSION "1.3.0")
[07:37] <hunger> Riddell: Why?
[07:38] <hunger> Riddell: The soversion and the version are independent.
[07:38] <Riddell> hunger: I've never seen a library with a different soversion and version
[07:38] <Riddell> it just feels wrong damnit!
[07:39] <RichiH> you guys can unban ryanakca_
[07:39] <hunger> Riddell: There are lots!
[07:39] <RichiH> Riddell:
[07:39] <hunger> Sorry... have to run to grab my pizza... BRB.
[07:41] <Riddell> hi RichiH
[07:41] <RichiH> Riddell: oi
[07:42] <Jucato> Riddell: I think ryanacka's ok now.
[07:42] <Riddell> free him
[07:43] <DaSkreech> seele: Josef responded and said that he is using okular's Dialog and he would like to have it reviewed. Shall I send you the response?
[07:43] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks :)
[07:43] <toma> hunger: these are the rules: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/glibtool/libtool_6.html#SEC35
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:44] <DaSkreech> My Mouse has died
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Well not really
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Drag and drop has taken a hold of it and won't let go
[07:45] <seele> DaSkreech: sure
[07:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I think it preferred to drag and hold
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It's ok I killed the ap I was dragging from and that worked
[07:48] <hunger> Back
[07:49] <hunger> toma: I'll change it if you insist. I only increased the version no. because dholbach said I must.
[07:50] <Riddell> toma: does that mean its allowed or not?
[07:51] <toma> hunger: you must update the 0.3.0 to something else if you made changes as described
[07:51] <rbrunhuber> hi
[07:52] <Riddell> hi rbrunhuber
[07:52] <toma> hunger: so 1.0.0 if you added, removed or changed an interface
[07:52] <rbrunhuber> what are the plans for kde and bluetooth for feisty? Will there be a pin_helper appliacation?
[07:52] <toma> hunger: point 4 in the documentation
[07:53] <DaSkreech> seele: Sent
[07:54] <hunger> toma: that does apply to production stuff, not development versions.
[07:54] <hunger> toma: I will not call decibel 1.0.0 before I think it is ready.
[07:54] <allee> hunger: then use 0.0.0 always ;)
[07:54] <toma> its all about releases
[07:55] <hunger> allee: I was using version 0, but some package maintainers complained that I must increase the version no.
[07:55] <toma> we are talking about library version here, right? not your main version number
[07:57] <allee> hunger: well, without a public release I think it's nonsense.  When released one has to take care of API version
[07:58] <allee> hunger: but I consider KDE4 as snapshots not releases.  One always has to update everything at once.
[07:59] <toma> else we would have been at 985.59.45 maybe ;-)
[07:59] <allee> hunger: in KDE4 ist a hole framework in flux breaking API at least every monday.  Not a single library that changes a stable API to another one.
[08:00] <allee> toma: why not? Computer have no problem with such numbers.  But ftp-master get grazy with 985 pkgs in new queue ;)
[08:00] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I tried the dist-upgrade tool today but had two bugs. Where should i file them? Launchpad?
[08:01] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: oh great, thanks, were the bugs in the tool or adept?
[08:01] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: The tool never got launched.
[08:01] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: bluetooth, we just packaged the new kbluetoothe stuff, it's not really tested since I don't have any bluetooth hardware
[08:02] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: can you run adept_manager from the command line and see what output it gives?
[08:02] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: 1. No KDEUpdateView found
[08:02] <allee> Riddell: new kbluetooth? where?  I've mouse, headset, ISDN to play with.
[08:02] <toma> allee: i would like to see their faces ;-)
[08:03] <allee> toma: lol
[08:03] <Riddell> allee: not new new, just the beta2 that was out last october
[08:04] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: 2. after I updated edgy to the max I had a permission problem that the update tool could not connect to X
[08:04] <allee> Riddell: k, is it already in feisty?
[08:05] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I must confess I did not test further I just wanted to get the upgrade done so i just used the aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:05] <Riddell> allee: sure
[08:05] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: what sources did you use for the packages?
[08:05] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  For which packages? bt or upgrade tool?
[08:06] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: the upgrade stuff
[08:06] <kdefreak> Thanks Riddell
[08:08] <rbrunhuber> this one:  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/ .
[08:08] <kdefreak> Riddell: how do I test k-d-s? debuild && pbuilder-feisty ?
[08:08] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: hmm, ok, thanks
[08:08] <seele> DaSkreech: eek, send it to seele@obso1337.org, kdemail is still down
[08:08] <Riddell> kdefreak: just debuild is fine
[08:08] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Is the bt stuff in feisty-proposed?
[08:08] <kdefreak> but, to test? that'll build the .dsc
[08:09] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: kdebluetooth is in normal feisty
[08:09] <rbrunhuber> but it does not work
[08:09] <Riddell> kdefreak: `debuild`, not `debuild -S`
[08:09] <kdefreak> ah
[08:09] <kdefreak> kk, thanks
[08:10] <toma> do I understand the release schedule correctly if I have time to March 15 to deliver patches for universe apps?
[08:10] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: It does not work. No pin helper showing up.  And "auto" security does not work either
[08:10] <Riddell> toma: until release, it just gets harder to include stuff as time goes on
[08:11] <toma> o ok
[08:11] <rbrunhuber> allee: Can you confirm this?
[08:12] <DaSkreech> seele: Sent
[08:12] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Back to the update stuff. Where should i file bugs?
[08:13] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: nowhere yet, those packages aren't official until they're in edgy-proposed
[08:13] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: but your feedback is helpful
[08:14] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I heard there will be a new version these days. I'll reinstall another machine next WE so maybe i can give you more hints then
[08:14] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: that would be great
[08:16] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Who should I poke about the kdebluetooth thing? launchpad? maintainer? you?
[08:16] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: good question, it really needs someone with some bluetooth hardware to fix it
[08:16] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: reporting a bug on launchpad would be a start
[08:16] <Riddell> but maybe we need to buy allee beers or something
[08:17] <mhb> I'm back
[08:17] <rbrunhuber> Riddell, allee: I hope to meet allee soon so maybe i can convince him
[08:18] <rbrunhuber> allee:  Riddell just asked if we need to offer you beer to get the bt stuff fixed
[08:19] <Riddell> irn bru?
[08:19] <allee> spezi ;)
[08:19] <allee> bed time for yougest.  I'm back later and have a look at bt
[08:20] <mhb> allee: kind of shows where you lie
[08:20] <mhb> live
[08:20] <allee> mhb: :)
[08:22] <kdefreak> debuild complains it can't find my secret key
[08:23] <toma> kdefreak: thats not really a problem
[08:23] <toma> its just inisished now
[08:23] <toma> look in ..
[08:23] <kdefreak> ah, phew
[08:26] <nixternal> YAY! Just finished my arrays homework
[08:26] <nixternal> time for some Kubuntu work I think
[08:26] <kdefreak> lol
[08:26] <nixternal> dude, it annoys me that for the c++ class we don't do anything efficient
[08:27] <kdefreak> My teacher is getting me to do a few python things for him, and then I can work on my own project :D
[08:27] <nixternal> have like 20 while...loops, a few for...loops when it can all be done with one
[08:27] <kdefreak> hehe
[08:28] <kdefreak> My teacher wants to sort 5 numbers in a list, ascending.
[08:28] <nixternal> haha, I just finished that
[08:28] <nixternal> with c++ though
[08:28] <kdefreak> He wants it written the longway, instead of   listname.sort()
[08:29] <toma> nixternal: put them as a klistviewitem in a klistview, sort it and walk through them...
[08:29] <nixternal> heh, that would kill my teacher
[08:29] <kdefreak> python is so... easy... and simple. C++ looks evil and complicated
[08:29] <Riddell> nixternal: is kubuntu-feisty-docs going to be implemented on time?
[08:29] <nixternal> c++ is actually fairly easy once you start learning it correctly
[08:29] <nixternal> Riddell: of course
[08:30] <nixternal> they will be going to the translators on March 8th
[08:30] <Riddell> nixternal: so we'll do an upload around then?
[08:30] <nixternal> yes
[08:30] <Riddell> fantastic
[08:30] <nixternal> then when translations come back, we will do the final upload for release
[08:31] <nixternal> I have 3 more documents to really work on for the next week, so I will be busy with that
[08:31] <kdefreak> hmm... KMenu -> Switch User -> Start New Session    does KDM show up? All I get is a black screen with an arrow
[08:33] <oslo> hi when k9copy just finished to analyse a dvd it crashed ...
[08:33] <oslo> it analizes all tracks then crashed
[08:34] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: just filed the bt bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/89291. I also subscribed kubuntu-testers.
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:45] <kdefreak> Riddell: so, for volunteer hours, to time, use KArm?
[08:46] <Riddell> sure
[08:49] <rbrunhuber> cu
[08:50] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: when you were trying the patches
[08:50] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: did adept quit?
[08:50] <kdefreak> kk, fixed it. I just need to find where KControl/System Settings stores kwinpolyesterrc.
[08:51] <kdefreak> or polyesterrc...
[08:51] <Riddell> kdefreak: /etc/qt3
[08:51] <Riddell> kdefreak: but that file is already in k-d-s
[08:51] <kdefreak> yeah.
[08:52] <kdefreak> I'm just wondering what the differences between the old and the new one are
[08:52] <kdefreak> (The before, with shadow, and the new, without them)
[08:52] <Riddell> oh, it's in ~/.qt
[08:53] <kdefreak> ah, thanks
[08:53] <Riddell> DaSkreech: beta is before herd 6
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah I saw
[08:54] <DaSkreech> Almost close enough to start making wild assumptions about what the next version is going to be called and when we are going to have another LTS
[08:55] <kdefreak> Riddell: Still want the buttons to go dark when you hover over them?
[08:55] <Riddell> kdefreak: ask kwwii, but I seem to remember that was his main feature
[08:55] <kdefreak> kwwii: ?
[08:56] <kwwii> hi
[08:56] <kdefreak> buttons go dark or no?
[08:57] <kwwii> kdefreak: I think that the highlighting of the buttons is important
[08:57] <kdefreak> or, animated without dark
[08:57] <kdefreak> kwwii: well, it can be highlighted with the two purple stripes on the button, top and bottom
[08:57] <kdefreak> goes lighter too
[08:58] <kwwii> ahhh, right
[09:19] <DaSkreech> How does Unix handle DST?
[09:19] <DaSkreech>  I heard they moved it this year
[09:21] <kdefreak> kwwii: Riddell: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/Gryda/combined2.png
[09:36] <kwwii> kdefreak: I think that if we found a nicer selection color that might look much bette
[09:36] <kwwii> r
[09:41] <kdefreak> kk
[09:41] <kdefreak> kwwii: feel like finding a nicer selection color?
[09:41] <kwwii> kdefreak: yepp, I still wanted to work on that
[09:42] <kdefreak> kwwii: ok, so can I commit this, and then you can add the selection color?
[09:44] <kwwii> kdefreak: yeah, we can commit it and see who screams
[09:45] <kdefreak> kk
[09:47] <kdefreak> kwwii: so, diff for polyesterrc: http://pastebin.ca/378848
[09:47] <kwwii> lol, don't be giving me diff's :-)
[09:47] <kdefreak> lol, no,
[09:48] <kdefreak> before I commit, just to make sure I don't commit something that'll mess up everybody's comps
[09:48] <kwwii> better to ask tonio or riddell about that
[09:49] <kdefreak> Riddell: so, diff for polyesterrc: http://pastebin.ca/378848
[09:56] <mhb> hi kwwii , any new goods for us ? :o)
[10:03] <kwwii> mhb: yeah, the good news is that _I made a new OpenOffice splash screen today
[10:06] <mhb> kwwii: kubuntu-ish ?
[10:06] <mhb> kwwii: or is that the same for both U and K ?
[10:07] <kwwii> different logos, I guess
[10:07] <mhb> kwwii: do you have a preview posted somewhere?
[10:09] <kwwii> mhb: not yet
[10:16] <DaSkreech> Running from the command line seems to have the unintended side effect of making it work
[10:34] <kwwii> mhb: http://sinecera.de/new_oosplash.png
[10:35] <DaSkreech> And one that is Blue I take it
[10:36] <kwwii> yeah
[10:39] <hunger> My OOo reports version 2.1. Will there be another update in feisty?
[10:43] <kwwii> hunger: i making two versions at the same time
[10:44] <hunger> kwwii: Seems wise:-)
[10:47] <kwwii> something like: http://sinecera.de/new_kubuntu_oosplash.png
[10:50] <_StefanS_> evenings
[10:53] <kwwii> howdy
[10:59] <ryanakca> kwwii: well, I'll just commit it since we haven't had a reply
[11:00] <kwwii> ryanakca: as long as you know what you are doing, go ahead :-)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Is it wrong I like the KDE one better?
[11:05] <Lure> DaSkreech: sky is blue after all ;-)
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Well not when the sun is setting
[11:06] <Lure> DaSkreech: ;-)
[11:06] <Lure> kwwii: ^^^ hint for ubuntu version? ;-)
[11:07] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have sent you the patch for both kdm and ksmserver... it works now :D
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Which is when most people like to take pics .Thought honestly with hte sea as a backdrop
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: What I just discoverd is that arrow keys are not working anymore..... damn. Wait for me to update it
[11:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: commited
[11:19] <nixternal> mentally commited ;p
[11:20] <nixternal> BUT...
[11:20] <nixternal> I gave up 1 hour into it
[11:20] <yuriy> nixternal: beats me
[11:20] <nixternal> heh
[11:20] <ryanakca> lol
[11:20] <nixternal> dude, I don't see "ANYTHING" with GNOME beside aesthetics (initial)
[11:21] <nixternal> you realize it is a pita to change gtk-engines
[11:21] <yuriy> i had to work on a ubuntu machine at work today :)
[11:21] <nixternal> you can install murrine with Ubuntu, but you can't use it until you download the murrine-configurator from some website
[11:21] <nixternal> have you seen the gnome-control-center?
[11:22] <nixternal> holy moly, could they put anything else in there?
[11:22] <nixternal> that thing is loaded with every icon imaginable
[11:22] <yuriy> no, last time i tried gnome was edgy
[11:22] <crimsun> (that was reverted for 2.18, btw.)
[11:22] <yuriy> ah i guess that's why they complain
[11:22] <yuriy> not that that's any different from kcontrol
[11:22] <nixternal> yuriy: true, but kcontrol is way cleaner
[11:22] <yuriy> except kcontrol has a tree
[11:22] <nixternal> no scrolling down for 5 minutes
[11:22] <nixternal> haha
[11:23] <nixternal> but the main window of GNOME, the main GUI that is, the desktop...jeesh...that looks good
[11:23] <crimsun> err, well, um, 'kde system settings' is way more sane
[11:23] <nixternal> crimsun: just a tad
[11:23] <yuriy> well that's what happens when you have a separate configuration window for every little thing to make them "simple"
[11:24] <nixternal> what is a killer gnome app?
[11:24] <nixternal> from the menu, I don't see any that stand out
[11:24] <nixternal> tomboy is a great utility though, I do like that over anything KDE has
[11:25] <nixternal> the GNOME terminal server client is way better than krdc
[11:26] <nixternal> crimsun: why do they have "CD/DVD Creator" under the places menu? doesn't fit if you ask me
[11:26] <ryanakca> tomboy?
[11:26] <nixternal> note taking app
[11:26] <nixternal> it is like a note/wiki app...it is killer
[11:27] <crimsun> nixternal: I spend 99% of the time in gnome staring at a full screen terminal.
[11:27] <yuriy> i want to say gaim, gimp, and inkscape are the killer apps but they're cross platform
[11:27] <nixternal> lol crimsun
[11:27] <nixternal> I do the same with KDE as well
[11:27] <nixternal> alt+f1-6 and 7 when I need to browse the web and want umm...YouTube :)
[11:33] <yuriy> hmm thinking of starting a blog after all, though i doubt i'll use it much
[11:34] <yuriy> need to get my screennames straight...
[11:37] <Riddell> yay, herd 5
[11:38] <nixternal> woohoo
[11:38] <nixternal> installing it now on my machine
[11:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: commited. 7:48 minutes of volunteer work 
[11:40] <bdmurray> Riddell: ping
[11:41] <Riddell> hi bdmurray
[11:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: Would you like to wait untill I get more, or do you want to send a GPG signed email each time I get some done?
[11:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: send it in for each day you do stuff
[11:42] <bdmurray> My mp3 player is showing up in the konqueror url title bar as a camera.  What should I submit the bug against?
[11:42] <yuriy> konqueror user agent string changed? :( for one site i guess it's not that bad, but i don't think it's good to skew the statistics even more than they already are
[11:42] <Riddell> err, weird
[11:43] <Riddell> bdmurray: kdebase-kio-plugins I guess
[11:43] <Riddell> yuriy: they don't really leave us with much choice
[11:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: +shadowedButtonsText=true  that right?
[11:44] <bdmurray> Is there anything I look at to track down where the issue is?
[11:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: umm, I believe it is
[11:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: I have no shadows on my buttons and my file in ~/.qt is set to false
[11:46] <ryanakca> hmm...
[11:47] <Riddell> halbackend.cpp:    if (libhal_device_query_capability(m_halContext, mediumUdi, "camera", NULL))
[11:47] <Riddell> halbackend.cpp:                mimeType = "media/camera" + MOUNT_SUFFIX;
[11:47] <Riddell> bdmurray: anything about camera in `lshal`?
[11:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: no need to uncommit, just a fix will do :)
[11:49] <ryanakca> kk
[11:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: I had already run it... unless there's an ununcommit...
[11:51] <Riddell> nope, carry on
[11:51] <bdmurray> found this -- info.capabilities = {'camera', 'portable_audio_player'}
[11:51] <Riddell> bdmurray: that'll be it then, all hal's fault
[11:52] <Riddell> bdmurray: although I expect there's a perfectly rational explanation for hal to report it as a camera
[11:52] <bdmurray> well, it can show pictures
[11:53] <bdmurray> or images
[11:53] <Riddell> so it probably matches whatever hal uses to detect if it's a camera
[11:53] <Riddell> anyway, hal's bug :)
[11:54] <bdmurray> sounds good
[11:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: done
[11:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: what command did you use to revert?
[12:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: bzr uncommit
[12:00] <ryanakca> why?
[12:01] <Riddell> I didn't know about that commantd
[12:01] <ryanakca> ah
[12:01] <Riddell> not sure it's a good idea to actually erase history on the whole
[12:01] <ryanakca> hmm...
[12:01] <Riddell> dput ubuntu kubuntu-default-settings_7.04-24_source.changes
[12:01] <Riddell> uploaded, many thanks
[12:01] <ryanakca> np
[12:02] <ryanakca> unless you have something else for me to do 
[12:02] <Riddell> you could work out why google suggest doesn't work
[12:03] <ryanakca> in konqueror?
[12:03] <Riddell> yes
[12:03] <ryanakca> hmm...
[12:03] <Riddell> it does
[12:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: jriddel @ ubuntu @ com ?
[12:03] <ryanakca> ah
[12:03] <Riddell> jriddell
[12:03] <Riddell> or, you could package KDE 4
[12:03] <ryanakca> kk, thanks
[12:04] <Riddell> it's actually not too hard
[12:04] <Riddell> or you could go back to your webserver
[12:04] <Riddell> damnit Ubugtu, kde 4 is not a bug!
[12:05] <ryanakca> ?
[12:05] <ryanakca> ah
[12:05] <ryanakca> lol
[12:05] <Lure> Riddell: same as mandriva 2007 ;-)
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[12:09] <Riddell> at least they fixed that bug :)
[12:09] <Riddell> night all
[12:09] <Lure> night
[12:13] <ryanakca> night Riddell
[12:13] <yuriy> night Riddell