thumperlifeless: I haven't even heard of distro branches12:19
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sistpotylifeless: mind if I mail that to dholbach and the rest of MC?12:20
lifelessthumper: branches linked to distros & source packages12:27
lifelessthumper: we discussed it in singapore12:27
lifelesssistpoty: course 12:27
Fujitsulifeless: That sounds good... How far is it from landing?12:30
lifelessFujitsu: dont know12:32
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davieyHi, i need some help setting up bazaar.  What webspace should i use?01:17
spivYou can use bazaar.launchpad.net01:21
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spivdaviey: https://code.launchpad.net/ has some information about hosting branches on launchpad.01:25
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davieyI have my public ssh key on launchpad but i'm getting bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation01:42
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spivdaviey: it's failing to authenticate.01:43
davieyi see that :P01:44
spivWhat's your launchpad user ID?01:44
spivI don't see a "daviey" account in launchpad, but that's what you're trying to connect as.01:44
davieytry davewalker01:44
spivThen you need to use davewalker as your username for bazaar.launchpad.net01:45
spivEither by setting it in your ~/.ssh/config, or just by putting "davewalker@" in the URL.01:45
spivi.e. sftp://davewalker@bazaar.launchpad.net/...01:45
davieyi did the latter - maybe i should go to bed 0:45 - silly mistakes01:46
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nixternalhow do I make a team the subteam of another?03:24
nixternalI think I just found out :)03:24
UbugtuNew bug: #89100 in launchpad "Can't see original support requesters username by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8910003:26
nixternalok, maybe I didn't. anyone know how, let me know, thanks!03:28
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UbugtuNew bug: #89105 in launchpad "please suppress milestone/release lists on project page unless they're non-empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8910503:51
UbugtuNew bug: #89109 in launchpad "Bug reported by me, is not by me" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8910904:10
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UbugtuNew bug: #89118 in rosetta "Show number of untranslated in package list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8911804:51
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HobbseeExample Project 1 and Example Project 2 are far less interesting than contributing to Fooix the Wonder-Toaster.05:13
UbugtuNew bug: #89127 in launchpad ""Working on" list should include each bug only once" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8912705:40
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UbugtuNew bug: #89144 in malone "[beta]  Inital reporter hidden by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8914407:55
UbugtuNew bug: #89145 in malone "[beta]  No link to report new bug on the same package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8914507:55
UbugtuNew bug: #89146 in malone "[beta]  Use AJAX for the bug filing form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8914608:00
UbugtuNew bug: #89147 in malone "[beta]  No way to change product/package once at bug filing form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8914708:00
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landohey all im having an issue logging in to the ubuntu wiki. i am however logged in to launchpad. when i try and login to the ubuntu wiki i am using my email addy and password which is the same as my launchpad account.. any help would be much appreciated08:12
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landoi think what i need is some admin intervention. anyone in here an admin?08:16
Lathiattried just your username?08:20
landoLathiat: would you happen to know if i need to reactivate an ubuntu wiki account where i can find an admin to help me out?08:22
landoLathiat: and would it be a launchpad admin or an ubuntu wiki admin?08:22
Lathiatim not the right person to ask sorry :)08:23
landooh its cool08:24
landojust really want to get involved and this is just giving me a headache08:24
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stublando: Can you log into lanchpad.net ?08:38
landoyes i can08:39
UbugtuNew bug: #89150 in soyuz "sync-source should not assume 0 is the lowest version number possible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8915008:40
landoi made the mistake of disabling my wiki account but would like it reactivated. 08:40
landolooked around and read that i need an admin to help me out08:40
stublando: ok. I don't think many people can recover the wiki account. I think you need to email rt@admin.canonical.com and open a ticket with the sysadmins.08:47
landostub: i see... much thanks for the help ... hopefully this helps08:48
mdke_we *really* need to remove the possibility of disabling wiki accounts :(08:49
mdke_this is becoming a frequently asked question08:49
stubI think there is an open bug on it. Moin hacking isn't fun though.08:50
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landostub: should i just forget it and try with a diff. name and email addy? hate to bother to much 08:50
mdkelando: maybe Spads is around and can help you out08:51
mdkehe's been known to be around at this time of day :)08:51
landomdke: how would i contact him08:52
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mdkelando: just see if he notices that we called his name08:52
mdkestub: yes, bug 628308:53
UbugtuMalone bug 6283 in launchpad "Disabling the account thru Wiki causes more harm than good. That option should be nuked." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6283 - Assigned to Andrew Bennetts (spiv)08:53
mdkethe bug refers to https://launchpad.canonical.com/FixingDisabledWikiUsers but that's not available to us08:53
mdkebut maybe stub can find the answer08:54
stubrt won't hurt either - if i'm correct they have had to do it a number of times before and just involves removing a file from the server.08:54
mdkeyou need to edit a file and change "1" to "0"08:54
mdkeI would have thought08:54
stubthat wiki page tells the admins the steps needed to fix the account08:55
landostub: so i should reply to that bug ticket and email rt? is that correct?08:56
stubJust email rt giving them your launchpad username and the url of that wiki page in case you get an admin who hasn't done this before08:56
stubAnd you can rant on the bug if you think it will be cathartic.08:57
landok thanks 08:57
landoheh ill try rt first08:57
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sabdflcarlos: hi. do we have any preliminary results on the performance impact of the new db structures in rosetta?09:43
carlossabdfl: not yet, because Feisty is being imported right now09:43
carlosso the performance is being reduced 09:43
carlosThe only thing I know is that exports are faster09:44
carloskiko took a look to the OOPs list and seems like it's smaller, but not too much, but we will know once Feisty imports are done09:45
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thumperfor those of you that use launchpad for hosting or mirroring bzr branches, you'll soon notice (or now if you are a beta tester) that the url's no longer have +branch10:47
thumperso the url for looking at a branch and downloading it are now much more similar10:48
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UbugtuNew bug: #89169 in launchpad-publisher "I get a 403 for some files in archive.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8916911:00
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YannigHello everybody :)11:28
YannigAny idea when Feisty templates will be translatable please? :)11:29
oojahThey are now aren't they?11:29
YannigWell, I can see them but it's all purple so I guess an update is necessary, isn't it?11:30
Yannighttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+lang/oc for me11:30
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dholbachhiya - can somebody take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3783 please?11:48
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carlosoojah: no, they are not yet ready, although we start showing them11:54
carlosYannig: we hope everything will be imported at the end of the weekend11:54
carlosmrevell: is preparing an email to announce that11:54
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YannigThanks carlos :)11:54
oojahSorry, my mistake. I obviously didn't read the emails closely enough.11:57
YannigBye :)11:58
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mrevelldholbach: I think that stub looks after project renames.12:13
dholbachmrevell: it's a product12:15
dholbachthe ticket is a bit unclear on that12:15
lifelessrenames can be done by the owner12:16
mrevelldholbach: According to the ticket, kiko's looking at atm12:21
dholbachah good12:23
mrevelldholbach: I'll see if I can get it pushed through, though.12:23
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dholbachlifeless: not of everything afaik - I had to file such a ticket myself12:23
=== Hobbsee wonders if it's a bug or a feature that beta. links dont repoint to launchpad.net links, if the user does nto have beta access.
mrevellHobbsee: It's something we've discussed. It's probably best thought of as a bug.12:33
Hobbseemrevell: right.  it's getting rather annoying.  do you know offhand if it's filed?12:33
mrevellHobbsee: Not off-hand. I can check though. Just a sec.12:33
mrevellHobbsee: I can't see it. I'll report it.12:37
Hobbseemrevell: okay, cool12:39
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mrevellbug 8918312:39
UbugtuMalone bug 89183 in launchpad "beta URLs don't redirect to production if person is not in beta team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918312:39
UbugtuNew bug: #89183 in launchpad "beta URLs don't redirect to production if person is not in beta team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918312:45
mooeycan anyone join launchpad-beta-testers? :-)12:57
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carlosmooey: yes, please follow the instructions at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-February/001023.html01:00
UbugtuNew bug: #2938 in rosetta "Translation template listing has no particular sort order" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/293801:00
UbugtuNew bug: #89186 in rosetta "Please add a "choose" in the distro template list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918601:00
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mooeythank you, carlos 01:01
carlosyou are welcome01:01
mooeymrevell, do i need to email you or can i promise on here that i won't take any screenshots? :-)01:02
mrevellmooey: It'd be cool if you could email me, please :)01:04
mrevellerm, .com01:04
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mrevellyo bac01:04
bacmrevell: morning01:04
mooeymrevell, sent :-)01:07
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mrevellmooey: thanks :)01:07
UbugtuNew bug: #89188 in rosetta "Please, add a "search" funcion in the templates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918801:10
mrevellHey chaps - reckon the Ubuntu wiki is the best place for the User Meeting agenda?01:11
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Fujitsumrevell: No! Let's put it on wiki.launchpad.canonical.com. The best place for a user-oriented thing, obviously :P01:13
Hobbseemrevell: for which meeting?01:14
mrevellHobbsee: I'm going to do a weekly (or possibly monthly) Launchpad users meeting01:14
mrevellHobbsee: I'm about to announce it but wanna get the blank agenda up first01:15
mrevellFujitsu: :)01:15
Hobbseewell, if you put it on devpad, no mortal will be able to get to it.01:15
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Hobbseemrevell: ubuntu wiki's probably smart - people actually have accounts to that01:15
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pochumrevell: also you can put it on the topic ;)01:19
mrevellpochu: Yeah, will do :)01:19
Hobbseemrevell: then you get the fun of evil timezones.01:20
Hobbseeparticularly if you want someone like Fujitsu there.01:20
mrevellHobbsee: Yeah, I was discussing this with Fujitsu and others last night. Gonna have to be a rolling thing01:20
mrevellHobbsee: So, the next one could be 21:00 UTC, or later01:20
Hobbseemrevell: that's your most sane time, it seems.  you miss all of asia that way, but you get most others01:21
FujitsuHobbsee: And why on earth would they want me!?01:22
mrevellHobbsee: Yeah, every time will be bad for someone, so I reckon one at 09:00 UTC would be good too01:22
Hobbseemrevell: yes, true, in general you want the euro/american timezone, to get the majority of people01:22
Hobbseeaustralians are used to living in a bastard timezone01:23
mrevellHobbsee: :)01:23
Hobbseeit's one of the reasons i want to move to europe some day.01:23
HobbseeFujitsu: why wouldnt they?01:23
ddaaHello folks.01:24
Hobbseehi ddaa 01:25
FujitsuBecause all I do is grumble, and work out ways to work around the release nomination restrictions using the email interface?01:25
ddaaI guess Malone now qualifies as a "really advanced tool"01:26
Fujitsuddaa: Why?01:27
ddaasince I do not really understand, or see the use for, all this "release nomination" stuff.01:27
FujitsuIt's fairly useful, except for the restrictions.01:27
FujitsuHowever, as I discovered this morning, they're rather easy to work around. Great security implementation.01:27
ddaaI got no doubt people consider a froboizer fairly useful. Doesn't tell me a thing about what it's useful FOR :)01:28
ddaafrobnication, obviously...01:28
FujitsuHow else are we in Ubuntu meant to track bugs in stable releases, ddaa? Without release management stuff, we'd have no chance.01:29
ddaaFujitsu: so it's just a way to say record the status of a bug in different distroreleases/productseries of a same distro/product?01:30
FujitsuPretty much.01:30
FujitsuWhile imposing restrictions which hamper usage unless you'01:30
Fujitsu*you're a core-dev.01:30
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ddaaFujitsu: I think launchpad has a pretty good track records of not getting permissions right, at first :)01:31
ddaaWould probably be a good thing for 1.1 or 2.0, or whatnot: make the whole permission system understandable and controllable...01:32
ddaaBut do not take my word for, I have zero influence on this sort of roadmap.01:32
mrevellmooey: sorted01:33
mooeymrevell, sweet thanks01:33
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ddaaFujitsu: I thought the nomination stuff was a tool to do release management.01:34
ddaa"Yes, we plan to fix this in that release"01:34
FujitsuThe nomination stuff adds a task for the release.01:34
ddaain which case it makes sense to put restrictions01:35
ddaaas in "future release"01:35
FujitsuIn Ubuntu, it's primarily used for past releases. I'd expect it to be limited to core-devs for main and restricted, but you'd think that universe/multiverse uploaders would have permission to do it for such packages.01:36
ddaaI see.01:37
ddaaI start to see why it was so late in delivery.01:37
ddaasounds like it got a lot of complicate corner cases.01:38
=== Hobbsee woul dhave thoguht restricting it to ubuntu-dev would not have caused the problem.
FujitsuHobbsee: It's restricted to the Driver of a product/distro at the moment.01:38
Hobbseei mean, that still means that someone from motu can touch a main package, but that can happen anyway - aka, sponsorship01:38
Nglaunchpadders - is it just me or is beta serving up gzipped, zero byte responses sometimes today? only happens every few clicks01:39
Hobbseeddaa: ie, core dev sponsoring a motu upload to main, or whatever.01:39
ddaaNg: there was some obscure report of someone with that problem before.01:39
FujitsuAnd what devastating damage to the world it would cause to have a rogue MOTU (and how likely is that?) adding a release task to a package in main... Perish the thought.01:39
ddaaNg: I have not been through my daily email yet, so I do not know if there was any new discussion of this today.01:40
Ngddaa: ok, well it seems to be happening to me ;(01:40
ddaaNg: best to file a bug with all the details you can. In particular with details of the browser/OS you use. Or a dump of the http request that causes it.01:41
ddaaIIRC the report I saw said something about "netscape"01:42
ddaaFujitsu: I do not want to get issues of Ubuntu governance.01:42
ddaa* get into issues01:42
FujitsuI doubt it's Ubuntu governance. More Launchpad-dictated governance.01:43
ddaaFujitsu: maybe it's a bug in launchpad, maybe it actually reflect a (maybe ill-conceived) requirement from Ubuntu... I do not know.01:44
ddaaFujitsu: what does BjornT says about this permission problem?01:44
FujitsuI've not spoken to him about it.01:44
ddaaHe's the bug tracking master nowadays. He's the one to talk to about these issues.01:45
FujitsuOK, thanks.01:45
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Ngddaa: filed. I've also got LiveHTTPHeaders open, so if it happens again I should get headers01:49
BjornTFujitsu: i think the main problem is that we haven't thought much about how to handle main and universe bugs differently.01:49
Ngit happened again when I submitted the bug01:49
BjornTFujitsu: i think it should be possible to have different people having permission to handle universe bugs, as well as (possibly) making it possible to say, "we don't care, let anyone do anything"01:50
FujitsuBjornT: That would be the ideal situation, yes.01:50
BjornTFujitsu: i'll create a placeholder spec for it, and will push for it to be discussed at the next lp sprint. atm we're quite busy, so i don't think it's something that we can address in the short term :(01:52
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UbugtuNew bug: #89194 in launchpad "beta sending gzipped, zero byte replies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8919402:00
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Ngany launchpadders around atm?02:36
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salgadoNg, yep, plenty of them. ;)02:38
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mooeyhm. there are bugs on my 'reported bugs' page that i haven't reported02:55
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BjornTmooey: that's probably because of bug 7634503:01
UbugtuMalone bug 76345 in malone "Search incorrectly treats any bugtask creator as the "reporter"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7634503:01
mooeyBjornT, indeed it is. i looked at first but couldn't find an existing bug, when I went to report it launchpad correctly informed me that it might be a dupe of that bug which is great :-)03:03
mooeybut the circumstances are different so i'm not sure its the same bug03:03
mooeythe bug i'm being marked as reported i dont think i have ever touched03:03
mooeynone of the activity logs show me as having refiled it03:04
mooeyhttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/~chris-vault5/+reportedbugs bug 2381603:04
UbugtuMalone bug 23816 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "[i915]  GL screensavers only drawn on top 1/3 of screen" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2381603:04
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BjornTmooey: unfortunately, the activity log doesn't show everything :(03:07
BjornTmooey: if you look at https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/23816/+editstatus you can see that you're the one that reported that the bug existed in that package.03:08
UbugtuMalone bug 23816 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "[i915]  GL screensavers only drawn on top 1/3 of screen" [Medium,Confirmed]  03:08
BjornTmooey: (in the "Details" portlet at the bottom left)03:08
UbugtuNew bug: #76345 in malone "Search incorrectly treats any bugtask creator as the "reporter"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7634503:10
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mooeyi dont remember poking that bug, but i must have done :-)03:12
mooeyi'll add it to bug 76345, thanks BjornT 03:12
UbugtuMalone bug 76345 in malone "Search incorrectly treats any bugtask creator as the "reporter"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7634503:12
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kikosabdfl, major performance improvements on +translate!!!04:09
sabdfli saw! OOPS count down 80%, right?04:09
kikosome 40 timeouts only, and we haven't even stopped importing04:09
sabdflwell done all04:09
kikoI need to get stub to look into it and see if he can squeeze anything out of the monster04:09
sabdfland this is just phase104:09
kikootherwise I'll be doing the joining queries together thing I have half-baked04:10
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ddaasalgado: I'm going to fix the conflicts on launchpad/hct-cleanup right now, anything else blocking your review?04:27
salgadoddaa, nothing04:27
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ddaait's pretty mechanical conflicts... some stuff added by tim near something I removed, conflict with action label cleanup by sabdfl, and conflict with lp:url removal by flacoste...04:28
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ddaasalgado: conflict resolution uploaded. Waiting for review.04:36
ddaaactually, going for lunch, but still waiting for review :)04:37
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ddaasalgado: ping?05:55
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salgadoddaa, pong06:00
ddaasalgado: can you review hct-cleanup today?06:01
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salgadoddaa, probably, although I won't guarantee06:01
ddaaokay, I won't my breath.06:02
dnearyI'm looking to get a review of a .pot upload to Rosetta fast-tracked - who should I talk to?06:02
ddaacarlos: ping ^06:02
ddaadanilos: ping ^06:02
dnearyddaa: ddaannkke06:03
carlosdneary: unfortunatelly, I cannot give it more priority than Feisty imports so it will take a while...06:03
carlosdneary: I can approve it right now06:03
dnearycarlos: It's qtwengophone.pot06:03
carlosbut it will need to wait06:03
dnearyI'm not sure if I've done the best thing - we have some translations too - should I have uploaded the lot?06:04
dnearyOr just the .pot?06:04
dnearycarlos: It's been in the queue for over 48 hours06:05
carlosis better if you upload everything, but let's handle it first and they upload the .po files06:05
carlosdneary: hmmm06:05
dnearyWill the .po files need review?06:05
carlosif you use language code as filename 'es.po' 'fr.po', etc.. no, it will be approved automatically06:06
dnearyAnd it'll find the right project,06:06
carlosdneary: why are you uploading it in 2.1 instead of trunk?06:06
dnearycarlos: We're making a stable release off 2.1 and theh trunk is quite far away from that now06:07
carlosdneary: if you use the right path, yes, anyway is better to do the upload directly into the potemplate I'm going to approve06:07
dnearyWe have some issues to work out with doing development on different branches06:07
carlosjust checking06:07
carlosto be sure that is exactly what you wanted06:07
dnearycarlos: How do I do that? I am pretty new to rosetta06:07
carloslet me approve the .pot file06:08
carlosdneary: it's approved now.06:10
dnearyThanks carlos06:10
carlosthe import will take a while to happen (we have a queue of 50000 files right now)06:10
carlosdneary: you can use https://launchpad.net/wengophone/2.1/+pots/qtwengophone/+upload06:10
carlosto upload the .po files you have06:10
carlosand they will be automatically approved06:10
dnearyPlease ignore the .pot uploaded by the bot - there are some bugs to be worked out there06:11
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dnearyGreat! Thanks you06:11
carloswhich bot?06:11
dnearyThere are two other qtopenwengo .pot files awaiting review06:11
dnearyFor the trunk06:12
carlosoh, I saw it06:13
carlosshould I delete them?06:13
carlosdneary: what about the .po files?06:14
carlosdneary: there are some ones coming from the bot06:15
dnearyLet me figure that out - I didn't see them06:17
dneary(I was filtering on .pots)06:17
dnearyWhen can we expect a search/filter function for the import queue?06:17
carlosI started preparing that a while ago, but it's stalled right now, I'm trying to finish all my open branches so I hope the answer to your question is quite soon06:18
carlosso you can see only the entries for wengophone06:19
carlosfrom your product url space06:19
carlossomething like https://translations.launchpad.net/wengophone/+translation-import-queue06:19
dnearycarlos: Thanks :)06:21
dnearyAnd thanks for your help06:21
dnearyIt'll let me get a move-on here06:21
oojahcarlos: That sounds like a good idea.06:27
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mrevellhave a good weekend peeps07:14
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Lutinsabdfl: ping => any news from the guy (lutin on lauchpad) you mailed on monday ?08:39
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sabdflLutin: done10:39
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mdke_is it ok if I unsubscribe launchpad-betatesters from bug 82344? it's annoying to get bugmail abuot something without asking for it12:15
UbugtuBug 82344 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/82344 is private12:15

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