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Isn't the point of Ubuntu to make the distrobution the best user oritented there is? the author's rant is nothing but flame bait/a troll === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] wolfeon: and how does a troll change the quality of ubuntu? [12:44] most people will never even read it [12:44] Chipzz: seeing the rant for 2-5 seconds every time I open a chm is getting very irritating [12:45] than use gnochm? [12:45] s/than/then/ [12:45] hmm [12:45] I think there was a reason for not using it [12:45] I use it, and it opens my whole collection of ebooks :P === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] remove the line from the source if you are that bothered. Thats the joy of free software [12:46] mc44: I'm sure others would like to take out the rant from the binary distribution... [12:47] if they were Im sure they have created a package for others like yourself to download [12:47] oh, that is right.. [12:47] gnochm doesn't position everything correctly [12:48] mc44: that doesn't take ubuntu updates into account though [12:48] Chipzz: they could submit such a package to the motu. Im sure the delta from debian would be soooo worth it. [12:48] wolfeon: iirc you can use gtkhtml and gecko in gnochm; maybe try the other rendering backend? [12:48] mc44: rants aren't in my catagory of being friendly. How'd you like one of Linus's famous troll emails to splash on your screen every time you boot ubuntu? [12:48] (I may be mistaken though) [12:49] well one thing I do like about gnochm, it launches a browser when you click on an external link.. xchm trys rendering in the program. [12:50] If you're worried about packages in universe, #ubuntu-motu may be a better bet [12:50] hmm, oh.. yes.. [12:50] mc44: thank you for clue batting me [12:51] wolfeon: im sure you mean mjg59. But anyway :) [12:51] mc44: lazy tabber me === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] doko: Shouldn't some of those rebuilds have been build1, not ubuntu1? === bryce [n=bryce@c-24-20-224-228.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-24-20-224-228.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-077-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-d2e541840bf269f5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon24448.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === joumetal [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wolfeon [n=wolfeon@alpha.wolfeon.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === daviey [n=dave1111@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB9B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gavinbaker [n=gavin@ip24-250-198-222.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat_ [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndrewB [n=andy@tuxhacker/pdpc.supporter.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] Guys, why would a package be in the repo for 6.10 but not 6.06? For instance.. ajaxterm is there for 6.10 and not 6.06, is it that nobody has packaged it up for a 6.06 system or any reason? [02:07] it was likely only added in 6.10. [02:07] but 6.06 is LTS so would it not be sane to add to 6.06? [02:08] no, nothing is added to releases post release [02:08] not particularly, and it's in universe also [02:08] about the only exception is the -backports archives === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] and AFAIK thats just newer versions and not new packages [02:08] being LTS means that it doesn't get all this new stuff thrown into it [02:08] Ahh that makes sense.. [02:09] it is just maintained.. what packages are there.. [02:09] correct === AndrewB hits head of desk. I should and did know that.. [02:10] I am doing some wiki pages and realised that it only worked on 6.10.. and that 6.06 didn't work. What should happen there.. do I just leave as is.. or go find out how to make 6.06 work with it? [02:10] <_ion> Or upgrade. [02:11] _ion: personally I do have 6.10. It is for the others that read said documentation. [02:12] _ion: possibly that means leave documents as is. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] AndrewB: is this on the ubuntu wiki? [02:20] Yes. [02:20] LaserJock: yes. 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[08:14] doko: hm, from your ldbl128 change I see a lot of -Xubuntu1 versions -- shouldn't these have been -Xbuild1 ones without Maintianer: change? [08:14] which is really, really crackful. [08:14] Mithrandir: better would be to fix it :P [08:14] pitti: I said that this morning... [08:14] Mithrandir: I think the sync script is smart enough to kick back... [08:14] Hobbsee: it took a while for me to work out wtf was happening. === Fujitsu doesn't like the sound of having to look through all of them manually for Feisty+1. [08:15] heh, i'll bet! [08:16] [Nothing to update] blktrace (0 [ubuntu] >= 0~git-20061221162513-3 [debian] ) [08:16] fun? [08:17] Hahah. [08:18] steven@liquified:~% dpkg --compare-versions 0 gt 0~git-20061221162513-3 && echo true [08:18] true [08:18] Which means dpkg is also on the same crack? [08:19] StevenK, that's the right comparison. [08:19] Going by the rules, the Debian version is less. [08:19] But it looks like the sync script is doing the same comparsion... [08:19] StevenK: it's correct, but it shouldn't assume that 0 is the lowest version possible. [08:20] Mithrandir: But what else is there? [08:20] Mithrandir: there is no lowest version possible. [08:20] Shouldn't it check if it actually exists? [08:20] What about the empty string? [08:20] I don't think Policy even mentions that. [08:20] That works. [08:20] Empty string is lower. [08:20] StevenK: ~ is less than an empty string [08:21] hmm [08:21] Mithrandir: Not according to dpkg. [08:21] weird: [08:21] : tfheen@thosu ~ > dpkg --compare-versions '~' lt "" && echo true [08:21] : tfheen@thosu ~ > dpkg --compare-versions '0~' lt "0" && echo true [08:21] true [08:21] ~ is greter than '' [08:21] that's arguably a bug. [08:21] Yes, that. [08:21] Actually, dpkg seems to just exit 1 with an empty string first. [08:21] pitti: don't know if you saw but new edubuntu-docs packages is built and ready for MIR now, when you get a chance [08:22] Surely ~ should be less than '', anyway. [08:22] LaserJock: ah, great; I saw mvo's ack, just upload === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] hah, the version number is buggy. [08:26] "The upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[33] and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit." [08:27] but policy doesn't talk about ~, so it's probably lagging implementation. === Kagou [n=Kagou@135.67.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] cjwatson: done (I was already sleeping when you asked) === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74F6A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] good morning === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A90295.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] pitti: what did you mean by "just upload"? [08:49] LaserJock: I mean, after a bug gets verification-done, you don't need another approval for the -updates upload [08:49] pitti: it's a MIR not an SRU [08:49] argh, yes; sorry, mixed that up [08:50] np, I was just confused [08:50] I was pretty sure you didn't want me to upload it to Main :-0 [08:50] :) === carson [n=carson@cpe-67-11-146-107.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mh21 [n=mh21@134.58.253.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis [n=krstic@solarsail.hcs.HARVARD.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@217.206-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti fanboys mh21 and bounces === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] pitti: what has he done this time? [09:25] Riddell: oh, nothing code-wise, just coming here to #u-d :) [09:25] Mithrandir: ubiquity 1.3.24 only seems to have some of its .debs in the archive this morning :( [09:26] pitti: awooga [09:27] Riddell: gnr, ok [09:27] Riddell: investigating [09:31] pitti: hanging out with the cool guys :-P [09:33] urgh, 44 sync requests again? [09:33] Mithrandir: ah, btw, are you done with syncing? [09:34] pitti: yes, given that the single sync I wanted to do failed due to a soyuz bug. [09:34] Riddell: seems like the binaries ended up in failed-to-move; reprocessed. [09:35] Mithrandir: negative version numbers *tsk* [09:35] pitti: they're positive, they just happen to be less than zero. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carson [n=carson@cpe-67-11-146-107.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] Mithrandir: hm, I guess that's only valid if you wiggle the empty string into an appropriate place of the rational numbers :) === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] Mithrandir: how about that nfs-utils sync I talked about a few weeks ago? [09:41] tepsipakki: can do, if you requestsync a bug === mdke_ [n=matt@AC8FD06A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] pitti: it's a new upstream version. [09:42] tepsipakki: I haven't gotten around to looking at it yet, sorry. [09:42] ah, NEEDSBLESSING then [09:42] pitti: right :) === Zdra [n=zdra@230.183-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] it's 1.0.11, we have a git-version prior to that [09:43] besides it has a patch which makes root-access to work with kerberos === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ is now known as pitti === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-8-136.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@81-208-71-251.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] cjwatson: can we discuss about Bug #89069 ? [10:20] Malone bug 89069 in ubiquity "problem with time" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89069 === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] Mithrandir: hm, I guess at some point I need to learn the policy about backports, too, and do them; they seem to pile up [10:32] [20:32] *** You set the channel topic to "Welcome to the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn support channel | Feisty is NOT stable, and not even close to usable | Feisty Herd 4 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd4 | Please don't use Feisty if you need a working system or you can't afford to have a broken system | Please use #ubuntu to ask questions about Dapper or Edgy. | Xorg 7.2 has been merged, Beryl/Compiz now work. Herd 5 is not out yet, it [10:32] will be out 2 hours after the last person asked". [10:32] sigh. [10:32] now i can just point them to the darned topic. === lool [i=lool@debian/developer/lool] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] Mithrandir: are those ubiquity .debs likely to appear soon do you think? [10:34] Riddell: about now, I believe [10:34] I'll keep pressing F5 :) === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] mvo: no new dist-upgrader tar? [10:44] urgh, it went away again?!? [10:44] Riddell: Iwill do another upload === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] Kagou: could be related to bug 63175; what do you want to discuss beyond what's in the bug? I hadn't actually read the bug yet until you mentioned it [10:45] Malone bug 63175 in e2fsprogs "Edgy Beta -- fsck on every (re)boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63175 [10:47] I get 403 for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev-i386_2.4-1ubuntu12.1_amd64.deb is that known? [10:48] cjwatson: when ubuntu first boot (after installation), i suspect that fsck/partition is done before setting local time isn't it ? [10:48] before it's guaranteed to be set, anyway [10:49] I don't really think a fix for this ought to be ubiquity-specific [10:50] cjwatson: when ubiquity ask for localtime, does it set system time to local time ? [10:50] so that explain that when it create partition and format it it do it on local time instead of system time [10:50] fabbione: the ocfs2 one is fairly large, but if you've tested it and is happy with it, go ahead. === Kagou is not sure to be explicite [10:51] Kagou: not to my knowledge, no [10:51] cjwatson: so why on first boot, ubuntu says that my new partitions (made by ubiquity) have date in futur ? [10:51] Kagou: I don't know. Stop grilling me about it 15 minutes after I've woken up === Kagou offer coffee to cjwatson [10:53] if the partitions are created in UTC, then their creation time will appear an hour later once the clock is set to UTC+1 [10:53] so I can believe that that could do it, but I'm not willing to make up a fix for it on the spot - clock handling is hairy and you have to think about it carefully [10:54] yay, new ubiquity in /me builds CDs === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jekil [n=alessand@host48-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.234.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] pitti: hmm, bug in the script ... I'll note these packages ... [11:03] doko: NB that my version did *not* create -buildX version [11:03] s [11:03] doko: next_version() vs. next_version_rebuild() === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] doko: ok, that shouldn't have been necessary for the Maintainer: purposes, but I needed it for something else and left the function in === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] mvo: may I nag you about bug 85394? it's March, we need to push this urgently [11:05] Malone bug 85394 in tzdata "New timezone data 2007b" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85394 [11:06] hey seb128 [11:06] pitti: oh, sorry. it didn't show up in my search because the task for feisty was closed :/ [11:06] mvo: NB that *all* SRUs should have a fixed feisty task :) [11:06] pitti: quite a few do not :) [11:07] pitti: but yeah, I agree [11:07] mvo: I usually don't accept those === jekil [n=alessand@host48-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving] [11:07] except for cases where the bug is only about an edgy-specific sru [11:08] hi pitti [11:12] pitti: I will do 85394 before lunch [11:13] mvo: danke! [11:13] pitti: de'rien === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F3FDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] Mithrandir: could you please accept update-manager? [11:15] are we rolling CD images again? [11:19] pitti: Do you want to accept my edgy SRU? :-) [11:20] StevenK: cyrus? I just did [11:20] Oh nice, thanks! [11:21] Riddell: bug 84717, patches are good now, I updated the bug [11:21] Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84717 [11:22] pitti: great, thanks === Frost^ [n=sweiss@85-250-14-247.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] Good morning. I'd like to examine Ubuntu's boot flow. Can someone please tell me what is the first script which is ran when the system is started? [11:26] Mithrandir: how is herd-5 CD testing going? [11:28] Frost^: 'init' in the initramfs (typically /initrd.img or /boot/initrd.img); you'll find a copy of the initramfs init along with related scripts in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init [11:28] Frost^: the initramfs eventually chains to /sbin/init in the real system [11:29] Frost^: which then (in edgy and later) does things based on job files in /etc/event.d/ [11:30] cjwatson: Thank you, I'll have a look. [11:30] Frost^: More about edgys new starting system can be found at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [11:32] Laser_away: edubuntu-docs approved [11:32] Thanks MagnusR, I've read about upstart a little already. I hope upstart being backward compatible will not complicate my understanding of it. [11:33] Frost^: Jupp Upstart is backward compatible. [11:34] cjwatson, Mithrandir: do you have any objection against me adding /usr/lib/debootstrap/{edgy,feisty}.fakechroot scripts to debootstrap proper? that seems much more useful to me than keeping them in apport (after h5 release, of course) [11:34] Thank you, this gives me plenty of information to start with. [11:34] Frost^: mostly, "backwards compatible" just means that one of the upstart job is to run the old /etc/init.d/rc script [11:35] upstart has a superset of the features that were provided by sysvinit through the /etc/inittab file, so it is able to perform the same actions [11:36] I see. By the way, will all packages use upstart in fiesty? [11:36] pitti: is the fakechroot patch to debootstrap less horrible than it used to be? [11:36] pitti: oh, it's already integrated [11:37] cjwatson: you mean the difference of the normal vs. fakechroot scripts? [11:37] pitti: sure, no problem then [11:37] it's pretty tame === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] Frost^: no [11:37] cjwatson: ah, yes, the _fakechroot() functions are there; it's just adding the new release scripts [11:38] ok [11:39] I see. Thanks. I'll start debugging some init scripts now :) [11:40] mvo: there's no point; we're not rolling new CDs. [11:41] seb128: I need to test i386 alternate, assuming that's good, we're just waiting for kubuntu. [11:41] Mithrandir: the important point is that the dist-upgrader bit gets into the archive, it does not need to go onto the CD [11:41] mvo: hm, ok [11:41] thanks [11:41] Mithrandir: ok, good === dsas [n=dean@ACBDE203.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@pc-212-51-218-194.p.lodz.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.9.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [i=tutor31@client4.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru wonders whats holding herd 5 back [12:01] Riddell: kde version tests ... [12:01] seb128: I need to test i386 alternate, assuming that's good, we're just waiting for kubuntu. [12:01] make[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/konserve-0.10.3' [12:01] *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61. [12:01] *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer [12:02] doko: probably quite a lot of packages affected by that, it's a simple enough patch to fix [12:04] Riddell: yeah, maybe, just seen that while rebuilding packages in universe, maybe point that out the kubuntu community (if they care) [12:04] doko: this is the archive rebuild test? [12:05] Riddell: no, rebuild for the ldbl128 changes on sparc and powerpc [12:05] ... if the KDE community didn't abuse the autotools ... [12:06] pitti, I need a guinea pig for the OOo powerpc build, just in case you know one ... ;) [12:06] fabbione: same for sparc [12:07] Keybuk: how does KDE abuse autotools? [12:07] Riddell: last time I looked, they had a hideous patched version of automake and libtool [12:07] that may have changed since [12:07] it has, they got scrapped for CMake :) [12:07] eww === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-81.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrevell [n=matthew@77-98-66-119.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p548FFC77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrevell [n=matthew@77-98-66-119.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:35] anyone happen to know why the default wallpaper is still called warty-final-ubuntu.png ? :) [12:35] pitti: how can I test #85394 [12:37] bug #85394 [12:37] Malone bug 85394 in tzdata "New timezone data 2007b" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85394 [12:37] mvo: probably use the timezone that need to be update, set a date after the time switch and look if you have the correct hour === zzz_ [n=ubuntu@195.155.164.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] highvoltage: IIRC because changing the wallpaper name would require transitioning the default somehow ... [12:38] (but ICBW) [12:39] ah. pity they didn't make it an alternative called default-wallpaper.png :) [12:40] dholbach: you do have a powerpc machine as well, do you? === shenki [n=shenki@ppp108-120.lns5.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] doko: yes, an old one [12:43] dholbach: so you compete with pitti ;) [12:43] doko: hm? [12:44] doko: I'm not sure I know what you're referring to :) [12:44] dholbach: two elderly people with old computers ;-p [12:44] pffffft :) [12:46] Mithrandir: ping? [12:46] Hobbsee: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [12:46] meh [12:46] seb128: thanks, I just couldn't figure out, what exact date the swich happens [12:46] Mithrandir: are you here, with your archive admin hat on? [12:47] Hobbsee: friday is pitti's day, or that's a freeze question? [12:47] seb128: i need 4 uploads accepted. i'd forgotten that pitti could do it [12:47] Hobbsee: just universe stuff? I'll do it. [12:48] Mithrandir: could you accept my uploads of konserve, kat, ksniffer and kalcul please? [12:48] they all fix the FTBFS, after doko's rebuild === Hobbsee curses automake [12:49] yup, they're all universe [12:49] Hobbsee: yup, 'll do. [12:49] Mithrandir: thanks very much :) === mantiena [n=mantiena@ctv-84-55-4-28.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] hi all [12:50] Hobbsee: back from lunch; still want me to do anything? [12:50] pitti: i think Mithrandir's handling it [12:54] oh $%^& [12:55] Hobbsee: ? [12:55] anybody knows, why there are no todays daily-live .iso at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ ? [12:56] mantiena: logs are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/; you should always check there before asking here [12:56] cjwatson: thanks [12:56] but there *are* images there [12:57] reload, or look harder. :-) [12:58] cjwatson: there are only yesterdays images,.. btw, there are some laptops, which doesn't boot with any ubuntu version (including herd4) until I specify boot parameter "noapic" [12:58] mvo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time [12:58] mvo: "Starting in 2007, most of the United States and Canada observe DST from the second Sunday in March " [12:58] Mithrandir: crap, i'm an idiot. [12:58] cjwatson: what data I should submit in bugreport ? only laptop model or some other data ? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee didnt actually fix kat or ksniffer. [12:58] seb128: woah, thanks === Hobbsee puts on the dunce cap, and goes and hides in the corner. [12:58] maybe lspci -n ? [12:59] Hobbsee: just upload again instead. :-) === mvo hands seb128 the sru-verification team badge [12:59] mvo: oh, btw, if you wonder because of the current SRU: that rule for the U.S. is already present in the current -updates version (2006p) === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Mithrandir: i dont know hwo to fix them - they die in the middle of make. [12:59] mvo: the new changes are a bit less prominent, but would still be nice to have === Hobbsee took doko's word that they were all automake breakages, instead of actually checking the build logs. [12:59] mvo: in general, I think we should always keep our stables up to date with the latest tz data, so this will be a recurring task === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Hobbsee: I don't know if they break otherwise ... [01:01] mvo: no thanks ;) [01:01] pitti: right, I'm trying to test if the fix is working, but I'm struggeling right now. my understand is that if I move the date to Apr 2007 the time should change by 1h [01:01] doko: two of them fail not due to autohell === Hobbsee got suspicious when the one that she test built didnt have autohell as a build-dep [01:02] mvo: please look at the attached diffs to find out the new rules and affected TZs. it does *not* affect U.S. [01:04] mvo: btw, you know about zdump(1)? [01:04] mvo: zdump -v -c 2005,2007 Europe/Berlin, for example === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] pitti: no, I don't know about this. what time zone is affected by the dst change in the diff? austrialia/eucla ? [01:05] mantiena: oh, during releases the cron jobs get turned off so there are no images for today. This is perfectly normal. [01:06] mvo: Bahamas, and Pacific/Easter, for example === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] cjwatson: OK, I hope yestersays daily-live images will be almost identifical to herd5 ;) === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] pitti: ok, thanks. I will test with that [01:08] mantiena: images will never be "almost identical" to published images, they'll be the same images, or rebuilds. [01:09] Hobbsee: ksniffer seems to build fine on i386 at least [01:09] Mithrandir: yes... [01:09] Mithrandir: it did before, that's no help :P [01:09] Hobbsee: why it blows up on ppc, I'm not sure.. === Hobbsee beats the hell out of the launchpad beta [01:10] stop rolling up those little boxes that i'm trying to click on! gah! [01:10] ah... test herd5, yes... [01:10] Hobbsee: folded portlets suck++ [01:10] Mithrandir, can you please give back drscheme on amd64 again? i386 worked the second time, so third time lucky! [01:10] pitti: yup [01:10] pitti++ [01:12] Mithrandir: I mean not binary "identifical", but identifical behaviour, I just need to test Ubuntu bugs on some laptops === pochu [n=pochu@69.Red-88-6-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] mantiena: releases are always binary-identical to a daily build. [01:14] cjwatson: Thanks for info, could you tell me what data I should submit in bugreport about not starting Ubuntu until I specify noapic ? only laptop model or some other data ? [01:14] mantiena: no. [01:14] mantiena: as in, you're asking me because I happened to be talking, not because I actually know anything about it, and that's not good behaviour === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.cable.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schwuk [n=schwuk@www.schwuk.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] cjwatson: sorry, I though, that you are responsible for kernel bugs [01:15] I'm not sure where you got that idea, but I'm not [01:16] and have never been [01:16] Mithrandir: is it ok or too confusing for you if we upload sources which are not h5 critical, but which we want to get out of our eyes? [01:16] When's herd 5 due out now? [01:17] schwuk: two hours after the last person asked, as you would have seen in #ubuntu+1's topic. [01:17] Mithrandir: (I probably asked already, but the stanza 'all uploads must be approved' keeps making me doubt) [01:17] ah, you're not there. [01:17] cjwatson: few weeks ago you told me, that I should report a bug agains kernel, when I asked, thats why I though, that you are responsible for kernel ;) [01:18] pitti: no, that's fine. [01:18] Hobbsee: I am now :) thanks for the pointer [01:19] pitti: in general, I prefer people to stay off, but we're probably ok now anyway, so it's just a matter of getting stuff tested before we release. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === toodles [n=timtt@87-198-40-165.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Hobbsee: http://err.no/src/lp_expandportlets.user.js [01:29] how do I disable network-manager safely? It thinks I don't have network at all [01:29] Mithrandir, some GreaseMonkey script? [01:29] Fujitsu: yes. [01:30] hmm, that didn't work correctly here. I wonder why [01:30] Mithrandir: kubuntu amd64 desktop CD doesn't load :( "invalid or corrupt kernel image" [01:32] Mithrandir: nice, thanks. === ondrej [n=ondrej@ubuntu/member/ondrej] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] I wonder why it doesn't work for me any more. [01:33] Riddell: ugh, sure the burn is good? [01:33] Mithrandir, doesn't work here either... Though I am using Epiphany, which is unlikely to help. [01:33] Mithrandir: done it on two CDs === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] Fujitsu: try grabbing it again [01:35] Mithrandir: That works a whole lot better :) [01:35] Very nice. [01:35] Hobbsee: ^^ you might want to grab it again [01:35] Mithrandir: the kubuntu cd? [01:35] Hobbsee: no, the user.js. :-) [01:36] ahh [01:36] if you want to have expanded portlets by default. === Kagou [n=Kagou@135.67.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] thankyou :) [01:37] Anyone could tell me what data I should supply in bugreport, when onlyUbuntu text mode in HP dv6103 laptop fine until X triest to start and Ubuntu gets frozen iduring X startup (even CapsLock doesn't work). But when I use "noapic" boot parameter then such problem dissapears. === ondrej [n=ondrej@ubuntu/member/ondrej] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:38] mantiena: Kernel, attach lspci, uname -a, dmesg and /proc/interrupts [01:38] mantiena: Do dmesg and /proc/interrupts for both the noapic and normal cases === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] Riddell: but i386 is fine? [01:39] Mithrandir: yes [01:39] not sure what to do [01:40] Riddell: I'll download the amd64 image now and see if it works for me. If it doesn't, we'll just release without it, sounds ok? [01:40] fsvo ok. [01:40] mjg59: thank you very much === Hobbsee wonders what fsvo is. [01:40] Mithrandir: ok, thanks === Hobbsee only has an i386 machine, btw [01:40] so i cant test, sorry :( === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-138-212.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Hobbsee: you probably don't have 45Mbit either, so I'd be done testing before you anyway. ;-P [01:41] Mithrandir: haha :) [01:41] Hobbsee: For some values of [01:41] j1mc: how's the xubuntu images? [01:42] i did an expert install last night, went just fine [01:42] mjg59: ahh [01:42] Mithrandir: heh. quite possibly. [01:42] Mithrandir: I'm getting an AMD64 machine, and hopefully we'll get more xubuntu testers soon. we're starting to get more [01:43] sorry i haven't had too many other architectures to report. [01:43] j1mc: ok. My question is "are you images all good and should be released?" [01:43] yes [01:43] how are other *ubuntu's looking? [01:44] apart from a problem with kubuntu amd64 desktop, we look good. [01:44] what's going on there? [01:44] kernel doesn't load [01:45] ouch [01:45] some hosage if you have NTFS filesystems too, but it's workaroundablee [01:45] cjwatson: you mean if people try to autoresize ntfs partitions, or they get hose just during a regular install? [01:46] if you have an NTFS filesystem present, the autoresize calculation in the autopartitioner (even if you don't select autoresize) will confuse the partitioner horribly to the point where you have to reboot [01:46] workaround is 'mv /usr/bin/ntfsresize /usr/bin/ntfsresize.real' before the autopartitioner starts [01:46] for the record, I just reinstalled (netboot) my work desktop with feisty and all is well :) [01:47] and found out how to disable NM === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F77B34.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Mithrandir: I'm headed out of town today, and will be gone for the weekend. . . . Just letting you know that I won't be around. [01:50] j1mc: ok, thanks for your effort. [01:50] thank you. :) [01:52] I just plugged in a zd1211, and it appeared in network manager. I clicked, and it connected. [01:52] IT'S THE FUTURE [01:53] mjg59: \o/ [01:54] <_ion> In the future, zd1211 plugs in you. [01:54] <_ion> Humans are quite good energy sources, you know. === pochu [n=pochu@69.Red-88-6-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] greets, pochu [01:56] heya j1mc :) [01:56] j1mc: how are things going? [01:57] well, thanks. no show-stoppers in xubuntu [01:57] j1mc: :) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] wich package/where do i search for X resolution detection on feisty live ? [02:03] Kagou: xresprobe I think [02:03] doko: do you want libjaxp1.3-java-gcj in main? [02:04] tepsipakki: sure, but i'm searching wich/where is it called on live boot [02:04] pitti: yes, that should be sucked in by a new xerces2/xalan2 package, IIRC [02:04] is it casper/xorg... [02:04] Kagou: casper. [02:05] Mithrandir: ok, thanks [02:05] doko: alright, done [02:05]