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tsmitheg'night all12:17
sistpotygn8 tsmithe12:17
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Adri2000imbrandon: would it be possible to have feisty and debian deb-src on the build machines?12:38
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wolfeonwell I dislike asking the same question on another channel, but I asked in the wrong channel :))12:51
wolfeoncjwatson: this is free software though. Isn't the point of Ubuntu to make the distrobution the best user oritented there is? the author's rant is nothing but flame bait/a troll. 12:51
wolfeon I've a question about regulations and policies about software included in Ubuntu12:51
Fujitsuwolfeon, what is the text of the rant?12:51
wolfeonShouldn't an author's personal rants be taken out of software when available to the user?12:52
wolfeonxchm for instance, the guy goes on the "use gpl, anyone else is ignorant" spreee12:52
wolfeon"If you'd like to use the code in your own stuff please figure GPL out first. Far too many people think GPL is bad out of utter ignorance.12:52
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wolfeonit is nice xchm was developed, but I use it all day. The rant, *and* start up text in the splash screen gets rather annoying12:53
FujitsuThe author is entitled to his opinion, and I don't think removing (perfectly good) advice is worth carrying a delta from Debian.12:53
wolfeonthe author's copyright could go in the about box. It would be better if the start up content was blank12:54
FujitsuFile a bug with upstream, perhaps?12:54
wolfeonuniverse bugs are filed on launchpad too?12:54
FujitsuUpstream is probably the best place to contact, however.12:54
wolfeonI'll submit a patch as well12:54
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wolfeonI highly doubt the fellow will accept the patch12:55
wolfeonI constantly patch my system programs against default content in programs in order for the programs to be more friendly at startup. They not only look more friendly, they look clean!12:55
wolfeon30 lines of copyright and rant is plain silly12:56
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sistpotyyay, I could rant sooo at rants *g*12:58
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rmjbHey guys01:02
corevetteHello mjb01:02
pochuheya rmjb01:02
rmjba package i did has the dependencies wrong01:02
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ajmitchrmjb: and you want to fix it?01:03
rmjbso I just file a bug in launchpad, attach a deb diff and subscribe motu-sponsors?01:03
rmjbI'm fixing it, just getting the process01:03
sistpotyajmitch: who is worse, someone who rants, or someone who rants about rants? ;)01:03
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LaserJockajmitch: can I blog about bloggers who rant against ranters?01:04
ajmitchgo ahead01:05
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sistpotyanyone wanting to review my anounce-ment mail about motu applications? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8149/01:05
sistpotyarg... line 15 sounds bad01:06
sistpotyLaserJock: btw.: now it's time to blog about it ;)01:07
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ajmitchsistpoty: you didn't tell them about the grilling they can expect? ;)01:08
sistpotyajmitch: that'll be a surprise ;)01:08
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=== ajmitch needs to modify his procmail rules now
sistpotykmail has a menu entry to set up a filter based on a mailing list. one of the very few occasions I really like to have a mouse around *G*01:10
FujitsuI hate KMail... Probably mostly because its IMAP support is terrible.01:10
wolfeonFujitsu: send patches01:11
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wolfeonand no.. dpkg -r kmail is not a patch01:11
sistpotyit's better than anything I've used in the past (netscape and erm... older kmail *g*)01:11
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=== ajmitch tends not to use imap much
ajmitchexcept for work mail, with thunderbird01:12
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sistpotyback to topic... any corrections for the mail I'm about to send?01:13
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ajmitchCCing sponsors01:14
sistpotyah, right01:14
ajmitchso that we get them into the discussion01:14
ajmitch& can grill them01:14
ajmitchwe should keep sponsors CCed01:15
ajmitchhm, maybe, maybe not01:15
ajmitchbut CCing on the initial mail is required01:15
ajmitchwas the TB notified after our first meeting?01:16
sistpotynot quite sure actually01:16
wolfeonhey, look at that. xchm without rants :))01:17
ajmitchsistpoty: looks better01:17
sistpotyajmitch: yes, crimsun CC'd TB01:17
sistpoty(for the minutes)01:17
sistpotyajmitch: ok, out it goes :)01:18
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LaserJockboy, I sure wish Ubuntu was rant-free :-)01:19
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zulsaid the king ;)01:20
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zuloh hey LaserJock 01:20
LaserJockthat was rather interesting01:20
rmjbbtw, while i'm fixing this dependency thing on my package, should I change the maintainer field?01:20
LaserJockit's somewhat of a point to try to keep apps clean01:20
davieyHi, what web-space can i use for a launchpad registered product for ubuntu using bazaar?01:20
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LaserJockdaviey: use bazaar.launchpad.net01:21
LaserJockhi zul 01:21
davieyLaserJock, makes sense eh. thanks01:21
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pochuanybody using dapper?01:25
rmjbguess not01:27
sistpotypochu: got it installed on my laptop (needed to test a sru), but I don't actually use it ;)01:29
pochusistpoty: asac has a problem with a security update breaking some stuff in dapper ;)01:29
sistpotynot quite sure if I can help... got a bug number?01:30
pochusistpoty: sure, are you in #ubuntu-bugs?01:30
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bddebianHeya gang01:39
rmjbhey bddebian01:39
bddebianHi ajmitch, tonyyarusso, rmjb01:39
tonyyarussoSo, I started reading a C textbook last night.  Maybe I'll learn to understand a handful of code after all.01:40
bddebianC syntax is fairly easy to pick up, it's putting it all together that gets tough :-(01:40
tonyyarussoHow so?01:41
LaserJockbddebian: I agree01:41
LaserJockI've read the books01:41
bddebiantonyyarusso: Macros, linking, etc etc01:41
LaserJockbut it's very difficult to just open some code and start hacking away01:41
tonyyarussoI can understand basic input/output stuff fine - I usually get lost when they try to do something actually useful :P01:42
LaserJockI hear ya01:42
ajmitchbddebian: pointers are fun!01:43
bddebianpointers aren't bad01:43
bddebianpointers to functions with macros SUCK :-)01:43
tonyyarussopointers seem to be chapter 12 - I've done up through 4.01:43
sistpotyc. a convenient way to write asm that's not CPU specific in most cases :)01:44
tonyyarussoWhat do you folks have to say about editors/IDEs/etc?01:44
ajmitchtonyyarusso: emacs > *01:44
sistpotytonyyarusso: vim :P01:44
tonyyarussoajmitch: It's also a two-day download.....01:44
theCoretonyyarusso: don't open that can worm while I am here :)01:45
theCorecan of worm*01:45
ajmitchsistpoty: shall we settle it outside? ;)01:45
tonyyarussosistpoty: that's what I've looked at so far, since it's pre-installed and small01:45
sistpotycage fight?01:45
ajmitchsistpoty: I'd prefer beers01:45
tonyyarussoI wanted to just intall a bunch and try them out, but emacs and eclipse are both friggin' HUGE01:45
ajmitchfirst one under the table? ;)01:45
sistpotysure ;)01:45
bddebiantonyyarusso: I've heard decent things about anjuta01:45
sistpotytonyyarusso: I've also used eclipse a little bit... if you like to use the mouse it's pretty neat01:46
sistpotytonyyarusso: and eric is nice for python01:46
theCoretonyyarusso: really, choosing an editor is just a matter of taste and what you intend doing01:46
tonyyarussobddebian: also huge01:46
bddebianall ya need is nano ;-P01:47
tonyyarussoOkay, why are all of these apt-get sizes measured in MBs?  I can't just download MBs worth willy nilly here.01:47
tonyyarussoKB much preferred.01:47
ajmitchbecause you want something useful01:48
Fujitsuvim > *01:48
tonyyarussobddebian: That's what I've been using for lots of stuff.  Probably will stick with a combo of vim and nano for now...01:48
Adri2000vim > *, emacs > /dev/null01:48
Adri2000(actually I've never used emacs, but vim is cool :))01:49
LaserJockyou've never used emacs?!?01:49
LaserJockyou gotta at least try it01:49
theCore(defun religious-sacrifice () (interactive) (mapc (lambda (x) (shell-command (concat "rm " x)) (message "All hail emacs!!!")) (cdr (split-string (shell-command-to-string "whereis vi")))))01:49
bddebian'll be scarred forever01:49
sistpotyAdri2000: resist the temptation ;)01:50
LaserJockI use both quite often01:50
sistpotyhaha theCore01:50
LaserJockit's good to at least be familiar with both so if you're stuck somewhere with only one or the other it's ok01:50
FujitsutheCore: With so many parentheses, that's got to be Lisp.01:51
theCoreFujitsu: of course, it is Lisp01:51
theCore(I like programming with an Abstract Syntax Tree :-)01:51
sistpotywell, I know already ~5% of vim's features, I don't want to learn that many stuff for emacs again :)01:52
ajmitchsistpoty: 5% of emacs' features is the whole editor ;)01:52
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bddebianemacs == kitchen sink01:53
theCore_see I can even do IRC with Emacs :P01:53
ajmitchand we love it01:53
RAOFIs it worth trying to fix the compiz-extra package, which FTBFS?  It should be fairly easy to file a bug with a debdiff that fixes it.01:53
ajmitchit's an editor for real hackers01:53
theCore_(ok, back to work...)01:54
ajmitchRAOF: sure, why not?01:54
sistpotywhich operating system do you use? (O) ubuntu dapper (O) ubuntu edgy (O) ubuntu feisty (O) emacs01:55
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RAOFajmitch: Well, because no-one seems to have done it, and it's been FTBFS for ages.  I was just wondering whether there was a reason no-one had done it.01:56
bddebianThere's a compiz-extra on REVU, is that different?01:57
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bddebianFujitsu: Bah, YOU can handle it :)01:58
RAOFseb uploaded a compiz-extra package, which wasn't quite the one on REVU.  That one can probably be archived, though.01:58
ajmitchFujitsu: that's fairly low, actually01:58
Fujitsuajmitch: Compared to what?01:59
ajmitchFujitsu: if you include all the bugs against no package02:00
bddebianFujitsu: Compared to ajmitch's mad sk1llz02:00
ajmitchso helpful02:02
bddebianthat's me :)02:03
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AstralJavaHey guys, anyone ever stumbled across the following error message while pbuildering?02:27
AstralJavaMerging translations into build/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/index.theme.02:27
AstralJavasyntax error at line 1, column 0, byte 0 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 18702:27
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sistpotygn8 everyone02:32
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bddebianHmm RL work or break something in Ubuntu..02:41
nixternalspeak of the devil LaserJock ^^02:42
bddebianHeya nixternal02:42
nixternalbddebian: I say boo all the time now, and someone asked if that is my way of saying hi in #ubuntu-docs02:42
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bddebianGlad I'm having some impact ;-P02:43
nixternalman, the FSF put up a pretty decent article on hardware free from restrictions02:43
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bddebianIs 0.10.10 to 0.10.11 of a native package considered a new upstream version?03:39
crimsunnot really, since it's native :-)03:39
bddebianThat was my thought but wanted to make sure03:40
crimsunit's a new version; run it past the LP motu-uvf team if you're unsure03:40
crimsunI can give you a short opinion if you'll say which source package03:41
bddebianI was gonna look at the u-u-s bug for it but Debian has a newer version also03:42
crimsunthat's essentially a bug fix03:42
crimsunfile a UVF exception request, let me know the bug # , and I'll ACK it03:43
bddebianGah, what a PITA :-)03:43
crimsun[it's pretty much a no-brainer ACK] 03:43
ajmitchif it really needs 2 ACKs, you can always buy me beer03:44
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bddebianDamn, of course his diff doesn't apply against 0.10.1103:49
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee 03:51
Hobbseehey ajmitch 03:53
ajmitchexcellent, samba 3.0.25pre103:55
Hobbseeajmitch: gotten all the u-u-s done yet?03:56
ajmitchno, I'm leaving that up to you while I go away for the weekend03:57
ajmitchI delegate03:57
bddebianWe need a way to keep the (Debian) bugs from showing up, it's damn irritating :)03:58
Hobbseebddebian: yes, exactly :)03:58
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bddebiancrimsun: Is this even worth filing?04:03
ajmitchor you can just upload04:04
ajmitchsince you've got 2 ACKs on irc04:04
crimsunbddebian: right, what ajmitch stated04:04
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bddebianBut it would be a straight sync without the patch on LP that doesn't apply against 0.10.1104:05
ajmitchbddebian: that's fine04:05
ajmitchhello LaserJock 04:05
LaserJockhi ajmitch 04:07
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bddebianHeya LaserJock04:07
ajmitchbddebian: why?04:08
ajmitchbddebian: you know how to file sync requests04:08
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theCorehow much time does it take for a package to be published, after it been uploaded to the archive?04:17
LaserJockmight take a while04:17
LaserJockwe have Herd5 freeze at the moment04:17
bddebianGah, forget this stupid package04:18
theCoreah ok, thanks LaserJock 04:18
theCorebtw, LaserJock are you still using my Emacs package?04:18
HobbseetheCore: is it a new package?04:20
theCoreHobbsee: new? Emacs or for the publishing thing?04:21
Hobbsee[14:17]  <theCore> how much time does it take for a package to be published, after it been uploaded to the archive?04:21
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theCoreHobbsee: yeah, I was looking at supertux-stable04:21
HobbseetheCore: so probably the publishing thing.  that'll have to go thru NEW04:21
Hobbseeso, ages04:21
UbugtuMalone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:22
theCoreHobbsee: at least, it is on Launchpad...04:22
bddebianGah Dapper->Edgy->Feisty ought to be "fun" on this slow-arse laptop :-(04:22
HobbseetheCore: true.  an archive admin will have to accept it though, which is the long part04:22
bddebianHobbsee: Nice bug :-)04:22
ajmitchHobbsee: that's a useful bug04:22
Hobbseeoh yes.04:22
Hobbseedoes someone want to reject that?04:22
theCore"This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers  team only." sigh...04:22
ajmitchHobbsee: do you need to take a step back from the keyboard before replying?04:22
Hobbseeajmitch: no, dont think so.  might just tell him about the bug squad, and to feel free to help out, rather than whinging about it.04:23
ajmitchHobbsee: I certainly don't think I could be diplomatic in replying :)04:23
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Hobbseebddebian: got dapper's evolution on there now?04:25
theCoreI think LaserJock should reply. He is the king of diplomacy :)04:25
ajmitchHobbsee: asac would love to have people reproduce & get some info about the evolution issue04:25
bddebianHobbsee: I'm just installing Dapper now, why do you need something?04:25
Hobbseebddebian: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/8910604:26
UbugtuMalone bug 89106 in evolution "camel-WARNING **: Failed to initialize NSS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:26
Hobbseeajmitch: true04:26
ajmitchHobbsee: reassign it to evolution & mark it as duplicate, please :)04:26
Hobbseedupe of which bug?  (if you have it offhand)04:26
LaserJocktheCore: yes, I do use your emacs packages04:27
ajmitchbug 8899004:27
UbugtuMalone bug 88990 in firefox "evolution breaks with libnss update" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8899004:27
ajmitchjust had to scroll through u-bugs logs to find the conversation from earlier04:27
ScottKYou mean breaking Evolution isn't a feature (says the Kubuntu user)?04:27
HobbseeScottK: *grin*04:28
ajmitchI don't know, I use mutt :)04:28
Hobbseeajmitch: i'm not sure i was there early enough04:28
ajmitchoh well, as long as someone's sorting through the new bugs as they come in04:29
bddebianWhat can I add to that bug?04:29
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ajmitchI'll see you on sunday evening04:31
UbugtuMalone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Rejected]  04:31
Hobbseebye ajmitch!04:31
bddebianLater ajmitch04:31
LaserJockajmitch: I think that bug should go to our special channel ;-)04:32
LaserJockajmitch: cya04:32
jdongbug 8911004:39
UbugtuMalone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8911004:39
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bddebianHeh, I just got an e-mail asking for svk 2.0 for Edgy..05:18
bddebianI don't even think I could get it in Feisty at this point.. :-)05:18
jdongbddebian: ugh svk is not fun to maintain in general :D05:21
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imbrandonAdri2000, just use dget to get feisty and debian source packages07:14
imbrandone.g. dget http://url.to/myfav.dsc07:15
imbrandonand it will get the package just aliek apt-get source07:15
LaserJockimbrandon: we need a dget-LP07:17
imbrandonLaserJock, dget-LP ?07:18
imbrandonahh yea dget dosent seem to work on lp huh07:20
imbrandonthat sucks07:20
imbrandoni'm sure a small python package would fix it up07:21
imbrandonerr python script07:21
imbrandonwth is with librarian sticking them in diffrent direwctorys for07:21
imbrandonthats silly07:21
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LaserJockimbrandon: it's called an LP "feature"07:24
LaserJockimbrandon: I've asked about it before07:24
LaserJockmaybe we can get some sort of file or something that would allow us to script it better07:25
tbfftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected/vala_0.0.6-0ubuntu1_source.changes <- what have I done wrong?07:25
tbf...didn't get any notification regarding the move07:26
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LaserJocktbf: hi, just a sec07:40
tbfLaserJock: thanks.07:40
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imbrandontbf, also calm down , not all of us are at the keyboard all the time07:40
imbrandonsome of us are busy while still on irc ;)07:41
tbfimbrandon: I am calm. just tried to get some attention. you know: those dirty tricks.07:41
LaserJocktbf: well, I'm not sure exactly why it was rejected but it could be because your package is for edgy07:42
LaserJocktbf: it should be at least feisty07:42
tbfLaserJock: ok, that's easy to fix.07:42
LaserJocktbf: I'll clean out the rejected package so you can try again07:43
tbfLaserJock: thanks07:47
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tbfLaserJock: ok, uploaded again. also realized that lintian complained about debhelper and cdbs not being mentioned as build dependency - fixed.08:24
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tbfhope this time the package is fine.08:25
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dholbachgood morning08:34
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tsmithehiya dholbach 08:37
imbrandonmoins dholbach 08:37
dholbachhiya tsmithe08:37
tsmithehi Lure  -  good luck on the motu application08:37
dholbachhey imbrandon08:37
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imbrandonlo tsmithe 08:38
Luretsmithe: thanks - just seen e-mail I need to reply... ;-)08:38
Hobbseeheya dholbach 08:39
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HobbseeLure's going for MOTU?  yay!08:39
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Hobbseehey tsmithe 08:39
dholbachhey Hobbsee08:39
LureHobbsee: yep, you can cheer for me ;-) - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000003.html08:40
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LaserJockhi dholbach 08:48
LaserJocktbf: did it work?08:48
dholbachhi LaserJock08:48
tbfLaserJock: package shows up on http://revu.tauware.de/ now08:49
LaserJocktbf: awesome08:49
tbfLaserJock: groovy08:49
tbflets see if that great tool makes it into universe08:49
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cbx33hi all....I'm just starting to code in C  09:39
cbx33can anyone help me....what do i need to put for an include to get the gtk libs09:39
cbx33and then what do i need to use on the gcc L thing.....I've managed to get the opengl libs fine09:39
cbx33but can't figure out how to do the gtk ones09:39
cbx33if comeone knows a simple gtk C   app i can use as a reference that'd be cool too09:40
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cbx33don;t worry...10:13
cbx33got it10:13
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gesercbx33: you could probably use pkgconfig to get the include and linker flags for gcc10:18
cbx33yeh i got that 10:39
cbx33thanks geser10:39
cbx33I found it on a tutorial somewhere10:40
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AstralJavadholbach: ping?11:27
dholbachAstralJava: pong11:29
AstralJavaHi, we're wrapping your bzr branches into .debs, and ran into trouble.11:29
AstralJavaTwo things, metacity-theme-1.xml and index.theme don't get generated.11:30
AstralJavaI fixed, or think I did, the metacity thingie, I'll post a link to a diff in a second.11:30
dholbachwhere's your branch?11:30
AstralJavaI haven't pushed them yet.11:30
dholbachif you have, let me know and I'll take a look11:31
AstralJavaWanna take a look at the diff now?11:31
AstralJavaOkay I'll setup my branch next.11:32
dholbachit's much easier to work only with bzr11:37
dholbachbut your patch looks good11:37
dholbachjust apply it to your branch11:37
AstralJavaAhh.. haven't used another branch to create mine, how should I approach it? bzr init?11:37
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dholbachbzr branch dholbachs-local-ustudio-branch my-ustudio-branch11:38
AstralJavaOkay thanks! :)11:38
dholbachcd my-ustudio-branch; ... do changes ...; bzr commit -m "<message>"; bzr push sftp://<LaunchpadID>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~<team ID>/<product>/<branchname>11:39
dholbachsftp://astraljava@bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-developers/ubuntustudio-look/ubuntu  --   for example11:39
dholbachif you do    bzr push --remember <...>    you only have to type the branch url once11:40
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AstralJavadholbach: What's this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8203/11:57
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dholbachubuntustudio-developers   ->  ~ubuntustudio-dev11:59
dholbachAstralJava: ^11:59
AstralJavaOh crap, sorry about that. 11:59
AstralJavaI don't know where my eyes are today. :)11:59
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AstralJavaIt also needed a tilde (~) in front of the team name. _That_ I did catch?! Weird. :)12:01
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AstralJavaAlright my branch is up now.12:07
AstralJavaBut it's only got that patch applied.12:07
AstralJavaSo we'd need to figure out why index.theme doesn't get generated.12:07
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dholbachAstralJava: i'll check in a bit12:15
AstralJavaThanks a bunch! Here's an error I snatched from pbuilder output: 12:18
AstralJavaMerging translations into build/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/index.theme.12:18
AstralJavasyntax error at line 1, column 0, byte 0 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 18712:18
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AnAntwho is Andrew Mitchell ?12:32
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elkbuntuhe hates me already, no love lost :12:32
cbx33that was evil elkbuntu 12:32
AnAnta => andrew? mitch -> Mitchel12:32
AnAntajmitch: ping !12:33
AnAntajmitch: about that sync. request #84857 , what is the "proper info. for sync request" that is still needed12:34
elkbuntuAnAnt, be aware it is 00:33 ajmitch time, so he might be asleep or heavens forbid, socialising12:34
cbx33elkbuntu: what is socialising12:35
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HobbseeAnAnt: he's not here.12:36
elkbuntucbx33, meh, i dont know, it's something i heard from someone who wasnt behind a computer screen12:36
highvoltagethe only place I've ever heard about socialising was behind my computer screen12:36
stgraberelkbuntu: you know someone who isn't behind a computer screen ?12:37
highvoltage(possibly because I'm rarely not behind a computer)12:37
elkbuntui still live at home. my parents use the word in a complaining tone to me reguarly12:37
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cbx33Can't find Qt library. No QTDIR set.12:54
cbx33I'm trying to copmile an app12:54
cbx33any takers?12:54
Hobbseekdelibs4-dev as a build dep12:55
cbx33you rock Hobbsee 12:58
Hobbseecbx33: i dont think so, look at -devel12:59
cbx33I'm not in there12:59
cbx33yeh just joined01:00
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cbx33no you're right....I already hve that01:00
cbx33:( - awww01:00
cbx33well if I'd have done it I'd have broken all of them01:00
cbx33any other ideas?01:00
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=== Hobbsee has seen the error lots before, so can quickly fix it
Hobbseeif it's not kdelibs4-dev, grab kdebase4-dev01:01
cbx33already have it01:01
Hobbseecbx33: what are you compiling?01:02
cbx33from sourceforge01:03
FujitsuShouldn't it be libqt-dev?01:03
cbx33E: Package libqt-dev has no installation candidate01:03
Hobbseebah.  i'm doubly wrong.01:04
Fujitsulibqt3-dev, perhaps01:04
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Hobbseelibqt4-dev - Qt 4 development files01:04
Hobbseelibqt4-dev | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages01:04
Hobbseelibqt4-dev | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages01:04
Hobbsee   qt4-x11 | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources01:04
Hobbsee   qt4-x11 | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources01:04
FujitsuThat's for Qt 4, if that's what you want.01:04
Hobbseecbx33: no, it's there.01:04
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cbx33Hobbsee: any luck?01:07
Hobbseecbx33: appears to just be /usr01:08
Hobbsee    * Edit the top of kdesvn-buildrc-sample to match the settings of your system (instructions are in the file itself and the online docs). Be sure to have the qtdir and kdedir lines set to the output of `dirname $(dirname $(which uic))` and `kde-config --prefix` respectively (if you plan on using your current Qt and KDE installs). For instance, on Gentoo it might be /usr/qt/3 and /usr/kde/3.5. 01:08
StevenK/bin/bash ./config.status --recheck01:10
StevenKrunning /bin/bash /tmp/buildd/kat-0.6.3/./configure  --build=x86_64-linux-gnu ...01:10
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cbx33 /bin/sh: /usr/include/qt3/bin/qmake: not found01:17
cbx33it's looking for qmake in different places01:17
gesercbx33: does your app needs qt4 or qt3?01:18
gesertry libqt3-mt-dev01:18
cbx33already got it01:18
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cbx33thanks for the help earlier geser01:19
cbx33now I just need to learn how to code in C  01:19
cbx33now I just need to learn how to code in C  01:19
cbx33is anyone seeing plus signs ?01:20
elkbuntunot i01:20
Hobbseeyou're just going crazy :P01:20
cbx33cgi irc....won't send plus signs01:20
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geserAdri2000: are going to merge jabber again?01:59
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fernandohey all02:04
Adri2000geser: there is a new jabber?02:04
geseryes, http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jabber/news/20070302T114703Z.html02:07
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AstralJavadholbach_: Are you available this evening? I'm afraid I'll have to leave for some 8 hours or so...02:13
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zulgrrr...canadian weather sucks..02:31
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Adri2000geser: you can merge jabber02:38
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geserwill do02:45
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dholbachAstralJava: in 8h i'll be out - it will be 23:00 and I'll be in a club02:57
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lizardkingHello there02:57
lizardkingI have some questions02:57
lizardkingI'm still on time to put my theme in Universe ( is not a theme for the main artowork, but some like Blubuntu)? 02:59
cbx33dholbach: that sounds like one of those social lives that elkbuntu was takling about02:59
lizardkingShould I put in the REVU procedure?02:59
lizardkingdholbach: hi03:00
dholbachhi lizardking03:00
lizardkingdholbach:  I was asking about OranSun...03:01
dholbachI thought so :)03:01
lizardkingdholbach: Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu03:01
lizardkingIs there some motu admins? ;)03:01
dholbach\sh and siretart probably03:02
imbrandonmotu admin or revu admin ?03:02
imbrandoni can sync it , one sec03:02
dholbachsuper, thanks imbrandon03:02
lizardkingimbrandon: very very thanks03:02
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imbrandonlizardking, np, i'm going afk , key syncing now, it takes about ~10 minutes to finish03:03
imbrandongive it ~10 minutes and try it, should be golden03:03
lizardkingimbrandon: ok03:03
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lizardkingdholbach: So after 10 min Can I upload the package? Should I do some more?03:05
dholbachlizardking: if the document says that, then yes03:06
lizardkingdholbach: but I have to do something special for NewPackagesFreezeUniverse exceptions or not?03:07
dholbachlizardking: get it reviewed03:07
dholbachlizardking: then file a bug for that exception03:07
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lizardkingdholbach: ok I understand. Big thanks03:09
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AnAntajmitch: ping03:13
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pochuhi folks! I have a question: the debian tracker fixes some bugs which are in ubuntu, so I should request a sync. However, they have included a patch for for mips, hppa and m68k archs, so what should I do?03:50
pochuthe patch is to fix a FTBFS in those archs03:51
lionelpochu: yes, request a sync. Keeping the gap between Ubuntu and Debian is the best way to do that03:52
pochulionel: but I say it because we don't have those archs. Is there any problem with it, or do I simply request a sync?03:54
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lionelI suppose their patch do not cause FTBFS on the others archs03:55
lionelso including them in Ubuntu is fine03:55
lioneleven if we do not have those archs03:56
pochulionel: ok, ty :)03:56
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pochuBug #89226 <--- if somebody can review a sync request :)04:06
UbugtuMalone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8922604:06
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bddebianHeya gang04:20
lionelHi bddebian04:26
\shdholbach: I don't have any revu admin powers anymore...(last time I checked)04:27
\shpochu: you need an UVF exception report04:27
dholbach\sh: alrighty04:28
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pochu\sh: it's not a new upstream version, just some changes in the same version04:28
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jdongdholbach: can you pretty please spare some time to look at xserver-xgl's uvfe?04:28
jdongwhile true; do echo please; done04:29
dholbachjdong: the team consists of 5 people04:30
dholbachi'm quite busy atm - pretty please ask somebody else04:30
Adri2000pochu: you need the debian changelog entries04:30
pochuAdri2000: oh, one moment04:30
jdongsilly dholbach, thinking I haven't annoyed the crap out of the 4 others :D04:30
bddebianHello lionel04:31
pochuAdri2000: done :)04:32
geserpochu: you should include the Debian changelog entries for 0.5.4-2 to 0.5.4-404:32
pochugeser: done ;)04:32
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geserwhat was changed in Ubuntu?04:32
jdonggeser: the theme is all blue now!04:33
pochugeser: nothing, I uploaded it to the repos04:33
jdongthat's my pitched idea for the next April Fools prank.04:33
geserpochu: ACKed04:36
pochuty :)04:36
jdongpoor pochu....04:36
pochubtw I know some others :)04:36
jdongus using all these TLA's04:36
pochuwtf ;)04:37
pochuty anyway :D04:37
pochujdong: tla?04:37
jdongthree letter acronym.04:37
pochujdong: wow04:37
pochueven for that xD04:37
jdongworld of warcraft.04:37
pochuand what about jdong?04:38
pochuwhat does that mean? :P04:38
geserpochu: some used acronyms are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms04:38
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jdonggeser: lol you're supposed to use w.u.c/A04:39
pochuI didn't know what meant sabdlf04:40
jdongno ubotu... come back04:40
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jdongand I was just gonna collide nicks with it04:40
jdongBig Open Forum04:40
pochujdong: oh, you're wrong :P04:41
pochuBirds of a Feather04:41
jdongpochu: no, I'm right. the other is just a eulogy for it.04:41
pochuok :)04:41
pochujdong: and wtf is Big Open Forum?04:42
jdongno, that's a Gigantic Open Forum04:42
jdongactually Closed if you talk to VBulletin critics :)04:42
jdongor people who hate our administration policy :D04:42
pochuwell, I think I know now everything about ubuntu tla, WDYT?04:43
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bddebianSTFU BFD04:55
pochulaugh out loud? gtk-gnome? lrm-kernel? kernel volume manager, oh my god, good luck, have fun, good game, nr20?, tvb?, no-not?, zerg?04:55
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pochuEnglish is more difficult than python :)04:55
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Toadstoolgood morning everybody!06:01
bddebianHeya Toadstool06:07
sacaterhow do i make a team on launchpad06:10
sacateror find an existing one06:10
Toadstoolhi bddebian!06:11
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bddebianHeya keescook06:16
keescookhi bddebian!06:17
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geserfabo: about bug #85120: which version should be synced?06:58
UbugtuMalone bug 85120 in kscope "please sync kscope [universe]  from Debian unstable [main] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8512006:58
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=== ryanakca has a dual core CPU... any way to make pbuilder use only one CPU?
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Toadstoolhmm... interesting :p07:27
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Riddellfeel free to kickban him Toadstool 07:28
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ToadstoolRiddell: thanks :)07:29
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SeveasRiddell, please unban again, he stopped07:54
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Riddellgo Toadstool 07:54
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Riddellor you can do it07:55
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kdefreakProbably answer before my power/connection went haywire and konversation's autowho went bezerk, but, how would I make pbuilder use only 1 of my cpus?08:11
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lizardkingHi imbrandon08:32
lizardkingI uploaded oransun package in REVU, but I got a mail "Rejected:08:32
lizardkingSigner has no upload rights at all to this distribution."08:32
tonyyarussolizardking: You probably forgot to specify to use revu, so it tried to go to the Ubuntu repos instead.08:33
geserlizardking: then you uploaded to Ubuntu and not revu08:33
tsmitheedit /etc/dput.cf to switch the default08:34
lizardkingdefault_host_main = revu08:34
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lizardkingWhere I should put this?  default_host_main = revu. Before or after [DEFAULT] 08:38
lizardkinglogin = username08:38
lizardking ....08:38
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lizardkingdput revu oransun-look_0.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes 08:42
lizardkingI thinks this works08:42
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lizardkingI finally uploaded the code. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=454508:55
lizardkingSomeone can help me to do this procedure? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-3545adef94d4dc79d5392ddb1f51b9ac30ab086108:55
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jeff_hello, I see that specto has been uploaded nearly a month ago and was accepted (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4323), but it's still not in universe09:35
jeff_what's up with that ?_?09:35
stgraberaccording to lauchpad it was compiled this afternoon09:40
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stgraberjeff_: Give it the time to be uploaded on the mirrors :)09:42
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jeff_stgraber: o_O thanks09:43
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tsmitheimbrandon, tell jdong about your 100MiB/s connection, please... he's boasting in another channel09:54
tsmitheand with that, i'm going to sleep09:54
jdongI'm not comparing connection penises with a guy at a hosting company.09:54
crimsunoh yeah? Well I'm sure my mobile's data transfer rate bests you all.09:55
tsmithepoor crimsun 09:55
jdongcrimsun: oh lolz you have 3gz?09:55
tonyyarussoDialup ftw?09:55
jdongcrimsun: guess what you can do to bug 87687?09:55
crimsunI think this phone pushes 1.1 KB/s on a good day09:55
UbugtuMalone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8768709:55
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crimsunjdong: I err, have a Beta blocker that's slightly higher priority, and I've just begun to dig into it?09:56
tsmithecrimsun, hahaha09:57
tsmithenight all09:57
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LaserJockwahoo, library day!11:34
RiddellLaserJock: what's that?11:39
LaserJockI stopped by the library after lunch11:40
LaserJockpicked up wxPython in action, beginning PHP5, and a nifty new "How to actually use C++" book11:41
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BurgundaviaLaserJock: you got that rsync script?'11:43
theCoreLaserJock: and you call yourself a book nerd ... pfft11:44
LaserJockBurgundavia: ogra's? yeah11:44
theCoreLaserJock: you should see *my* bookshelf :)11:44
LaserJocktheCore: Sorry, I don't think I can pick up the emacs books ;-)11:44
LaserJocktheCore: I've been at uni for 9 years, trust me, I have a bookcase11:45
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theCoreLaserJock: bah, yeah true. You certainly beat on the chemistry books :)11:45
theCorebeat me*11:45
LaserJockbetween my wife and I we have 3 bookcases11:45
LaserJockand then at work I have one11:45
theCoreouch ...11:45
theCoreok, I am defeated11:46
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LaserJockBurgundavia: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh11:46
BurgundaviaLaserJock: ah, rock, yes11:46
theCoreLaserJock: I got a full list of programming books : http://tinyurl.com/3ddpsm So, if you're looking for a good and challenging book about programming, it's probably there11:49
keescookcrimsun, siretart: can either of you pull the trigger on 83737 ?  (Or show me what I should do to move it to the next step?)11:50
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crimsuntheCore: you're missing http://www.amazon.ca/Shellcoders-Handbook-Discovering-Exploiting-Security/dp/047008023X/ref=sr_1_2/702-8346405-9035255?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1172875887&sr=1-2 11:51
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FujitsuMorning MOTUs.11:52
keescookhiya Fujitsu11:52
crimsunbug 8373711:52
UbugtuMalone bug 83737 in edgy-backports "Please backport Inkscape 0.45 from Ubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8373711:52
FujitsuHey keescook.11:52
theCorecrimsun: oh, never heard of this one, thanks11:52
theCoreoh, that seems to be a crazy one11:53
theCoreand looking for a good book about building secure programs. Learning how to crack programs is certainly a way to learn that...11:54
theCorethanks crimsun, added to my wish list :)11:55
crimsunkeescook: I'm a bit uneasy about loosening the libgc-dev versioned b-d; are there absolutely no regressions by loosening it?11:57
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crimsun[for 6.06] 11:57
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keescookcrimsun: that's just for Dapper.  :)11:58
keescookI tested it for a bit, and didn't see any issues.11:58
crimsunkeescook: if so, perhaps loosen it in the next upload to feisty?11:58
keescookwhat I'm really after is edgy; lots of people want an edgy 0.45.  :)11:58
crimsunerr, um, ok, so the dapper-backports task is ...?11:59
FujitsuWhat's so great about 0.45.11:59
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keescookcrimsun: I'll double-check it, yet.  The autoconf just wants 6.4 or better, and the "problems", iirc, were with 6.3.12:00
keescookFujitsu: blur!  :)12:00
keescookFujitsu: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/23/163921712:00
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FujitsuBlurring is actually defined in SVG? I'm impressed.12:03
crimsunkeescook: ok, I'll +1 the edgy-backports task and leave the dapper-backports task pending12:05
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keescookcrimsun: cool; thanks.  at what point does an upload happen for the edgy-backports task?12:11
LaserJockthe "OMG, this control center crap will make me move to X" has turned into "OMG, where did the control center go? Ubuntu devs stink!" so fast :-)12:11
crimsunkeescook: ubuntu-archive will handle the push12:11
keescookcrimsun: okay12:12
gesercrimsun: now that xserver-xorg-video-* got updated in feisty, should I file a uvfe for i810-modesetting to update it also?12:12

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