[12:17] <tsmithe> g'night all
[12:17] <sistpoty> gn8 tsmithe
[12:38] <Adri2000> imbrandon: would it be possible to have feisty and debian deb-src on the build machines?
[12:51] <wolfeon> well I dislike asking the same question on another channel, but I asked in the wrong channel :))
[12:51] <wolfeon> cjwatson: this is free software though. Isn't the point of Ubuntu to make the distrobution the best user oritented there is? the author's rant is nothing but flame bait/a troll. 
[12:51] <wolfeon> oops
[12:51] <wolfeon>  I've a question about regulations and policies about software included in Ubuntu
[12:51] <Fujitsu> wolfeon, what is the text of the rant?
[12:52] <wolfeon> Shouldn't an author's personal rants be taken out of software when available to the user?
[12:52] <wolfeon> xchm for instance, the guy goes on the "use gpl, anyone else is ignorant" spreee
[12:52] <wolfeon> "If you'd like to use the code in your own stuff please figure GPL out first. Far too many people think GPL is bad out of utter ignorance.
[12:53] <wolfeon> it is nice xchm was developed, but I use it all day. The rant, *and* start up text in the splash screen gets rather annoying
[12:53] <Fujitsu> The author is entitled to his opinion, and I don't think removing (perfectly good) advice is worth carrying a delta from Debian.
[12:54] <wolfeon> the author's copyright could go in the about box. It would be better if the start up content was blank
[12:54] <Fujitsu> File a bug with upstream, perhaps?
[12:54] <wolfeon> universe bugs are filed on launchpad too?
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[12:54] <wolfeon> alright
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Upstream is probably the best place to contact, however.
[12:54] <wolfeon> I'll submit a patch as well
[12:55] <wolfeon> I highly doubt the fellow will accept the patch
[12:55] <wolfeon> I constantly patch my system programs against default content in programs in order for the programs to be more friendly at startup. They not only look more friendly, they look clean!
[12:56] <wolfeon> 30 lines of copyright and rant is plain silly
[12:58] <sistpoty> yay, I could rant sooo at rants *g*
[01:02] <rmjb> Hey guys
[01:02] <corevette> Hello mjb
[01:02] <pochu> heya rmjb
[01:02] <rmjb> a package i did has the dependencies wrong
[01:03] <ajmitch> rmjb: and you want to fix it?
[01:03] <rmjb> so I just file a bug in launchpad, attach a deb diff and subscribe motu-sponsors?
[01:03] <ajmitch> ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:03] <rmjb> I'm fixing it, just getting the process
[01:03] <rmjb> cool
[01:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: who is worse, someone who rants, or someone who rants about rants? ;)
[01:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: can I blog about bloggers who rant against ranters?
[01:04] <sistpoty> lol
[01:05] <ajmitch> go ahead
[01:05] <sistpoty> anyone wanting to review my anounce-ment mail about motu applications? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8149/
[01:05] <sistpoty> --
[01:06] <sistpoty> arg... line 15 sounds bad
[01:07] <sistpoty> LaserJock: btw.: now it's time to blog about it ;)
[01:07] <ajmitch> heh
[01:08] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you didn't tell them about the grilling they can expect? ;)
[01:08] <sistpoty> ajmitch: that'll be a surprise ;)
[01:09] <ajmitch> excellent...
[01:10] <sistpoty> kmail has a menu entry to set up a filter based on a mailing list. one of the very few occasions I really like to have a mouse around *G*
[01:10] <Fujitsu> I hate KMail... Probably mostly because its IMAP support is terrible.
[01:11] <wolfeon> Fujitsu: send patches
[01:11] <wolfeon> and no.. dpkg -r kmail is not a patch
[01:11] <sistpoty> it's better than anything I've used in the past (netscape and erm... older kmail *g*)
[01:12] <ajmitch> except for work mail, with thunderbird
[01:13] <sistpoty> back to topic... any corrections for the mail I'm about to send?
[01:14] <ajmitch> CCing sponsors
[01:14] <sistpoty> ah, right
[01:14] <ajmitch> so that we get them into the discussion
[01:14] <ajmitch> & can grill them
[01:14] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:15] <ajmitch> we should keep sponsors CCed
[01:15] <ajmitch> hm, maybe, maybe not
[01:15] <ajmitch> but CCing on the initial mail is required
[01:16] <ajmitch> was the TB notified after our first meeting?
[01:16] <sistpoty> not quite sure actually
[01:16] <sistpoty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8152/
[01:17] <wolfeon> hey, look at that. xchm without rants :))
[01:17] <ajmitch> sistpoty: looks better
[01:17] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes, crimsun CC'd TB
[01:17] <sistpoty> (for the minutes)
[01:18] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, out it goes :)
[01:19] <LaserJock> boy, I sure wish Ubuntu was rant-free :-)
[01:20] <zul> said the king ;)
[01:20] <zul> oh hey LaserJock 
[01:20] <LaserJock> that was rather interesting
[01:20] <rmjb> btw, while i'm fixing this dependency thing on my package, should I change the maintainer field?
[01:20] <LaserJock> it's somewhat of a point to try to keep apps clean
[01:20] <daviey> Hi, what web-space can i use for a launchpad registered product for ubuntu using bazaar?
[01:21] <LaserJock> daviey: use bazaar.launchpad.net
[01:21] <LaserJock> hi zul 
[01:21] <daviey> LaserJock, makes sense eh. thanks
[01:25] <pochu> anybody using dapper?
[01:27] <rmjb> guess not
[01:29] <sistpoty> pochu: got it installed on my laptop (needed to test a sru), but I don't actually use it ;)
[01:29] <pochu> sistpoty: asac has a problem with a security update breaking some stuff in dapper ;)
[01:30] <sistpoty> not quite sure if I can help... got a bug number?
[01:30] <pochu> sistpoty: sure, are you in #ubuntu-bugs?
[01:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:39] <ajmitch> hi
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> hi
[01:39] <rmjb> hey bddebian
[01:39] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, tonyyarusso, rmjb
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> So, I started reading a C textbook last night.  Maybe I'll learn to understand a handful of code after all.
[01:40] <bddebian> C syntax is fairly easy to pick up, it's putting it all together that gets tough :-(
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> How so?
[01:41] <LaserJock> bddebian: I agree
[01:41] <LaserJock> I've read the books
[01:41] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Macros, linking, etc etc
[01:41] <LaserJock> but it's very difficult to just open some code and start hacking away
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> I can understand basic input/output stuff fine - I usually get lost when they try to do something actually useful :P
[01:42] <LaserJock> I hear ya
[01:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: pointers are fun!
[01:43] <LaserJock> ugg
[01:43] <bddebian> pointers aren't bad
[01:43] <bddebian> pointers to functions with macros SUCK :-)
[01:43] <ajmitch> heh
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> pointers seem to be chapter 12 - I've done up through 4.
[01:44] <sistpoty> c. a convenient way to write asm that's not CPU specific in most cases :)
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> What do you folks have to say about editors/IDEs/etc?
[01:44] <bddebian> hehe
[01:44] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: emacs > *
[01:44] <LaserJock> emacs?
[01:44] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: vim :P
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: It's also a two-day download.....
[01:45] <theCore> tonyyarusso: don't open that can worm while I am here :)
[01:45] <theCore> can of worm*
[01:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: shall we settle it outside? ;)
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: that's what I've looked at so far, since it's pre-installed and small
[01:45] <sistpoty> cage fight?
[01:45] <bddebian> haha
[01:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'd prefer beers
[01:45] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> I wanted to just intall a bunch and try them out, but emacs and eclipse are both friggin' HUGE
[01:45] <ajmitch> first one under the table? ;)
[01:45] <sistpoty> sure ;)
[01:45] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: I've heard decent things about anjuta
[01:46] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: I've also used eclipse a little bit... if you like to use the mouse it's pretty neat
[01:46] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: and eric is nice for python
[01:46] <theCore> tonyyarusso: really, choosing an editor is just a matter of taste and what you intend doing
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: also huge
[01:47] <bddebian> all ya need is nano ;-P
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> Okay, why are all of these apt-get sizes measured in MBs?  I can't just download MBs worth willy nilly here.
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> KB much preferred.
[01:48] <bddebian> vi?
[01:48] <ajmitch> because you want something useful
[01:48] <Fujitsu> vim > *
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: That's what I've been using for lots of stuff.  Probably will stick with a combo of vim and nano for now...
[01:48] <Adri2000> vim > *, emacs > /dev/null
[01:49] <Adri2000> (actually I've never used emacs, but vim is cool :))
[01:49] <LaserJock> you've never used emacs?!?
[01:49] <LaserJock> you gotta at least try it
[01:49] <bddebian> Noooo
[01:49] <bddebian> You
[01:49] <theCore> (defun religious-sacrifice () (interactive) (mapc (lambda (x) (shell-command (concat "rm " x)) (message "All hail emacs!!!")) (cdr (split-string (shell-command-to-string "whereis vi")))))
[01:49] <bddebian> 'll be scarred forever
[01:50] <sistpoty> Adri2000: resist the temptation ;)
[01:50] <LaserJock> I use both quite often
[01:50] <sistpoty> haha theCore
[01:50] <LaserJock> it's good to at least be familiar with both so if you're stuck somewhere with only one or the other it's ok
[01:51] <Fujitsu> theCore: With so many parentheses, that's got to be Lisp.
[01:51] <theCore> Fujitsu: of course, it is Lisp
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Urgh.
[01:51] <theCore> (I like programming with an Abstract Syntax Tree :-)
[01:52] <sistpoty> well, I know already ~5% of vim's features, I don't want to learn that many stuff for emacs again :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> sistpoty: 5% of emacs' features is the whole editor ;)
[01:53] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:53] <bddebian> emacs == kitchen sink
[01:53] <theCore_> see I can even do IRC with Emacs :P
[01:53] <ajmitch> and we love it
[01:53] <RAOF> Is it worth trying to fix the compiz-extra package, which FTBFS?  It should be fairly easy to file a bug with a debdiff that fixes it.
[01:53] <ajmitch> it's an editor for real hackers
[01:54] <theCore_> (ok, back to work...)
[01:54] <ajmitch> RAOF: sure, why not?
[01:55] <sistpoty> which operating system do you use? (O) ubuntu dapper (O) ubuntu edgy (O) ubuntu feisty (O) emacs
[01:56] <RAOF> ajmitch: Well, because no-one seems to have done it, and it's been FTBFS for ages.  I was just wondering whether there was a reason no-one had done it.
[01:57] <bddebian> There's a compiz-extra on REVU, is that different?
[01:57] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:58] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Bah, YOU can handle it :)
[01:58] <RAOF> seb uploaded a compiz-extra package, which wasn't quite the one on REVU.  That one can probably be archived, though.
[01:58] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's fairly low, actually
[01:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Compared to what?
[02:00] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: if you include all the bugs against no package
[02:00] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Compared to ajmitch's mad sk1llz
[02:02] <ajmitch> so helpful
[02:03] <bddebian> that's me :)
[02:27] <AstralJava> Hey guys, anyone ever stumbled across the following error message while pbuildering?
[02:27] <AstralJava> Merging translations into build/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/index.theme.
[02:27] <AstralJava> syntax error at line 1, column 0, byte 0 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 187
[02:32] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:41] <bddebian> Hmm RL work or break something in Ubuntu..
[02:42] <nixternal> boo
[02:42] <nixternal> hahah
[02:42] <nixternal> speak of the devil LaserJock ^^
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[02:42] <nixternal> bddebian: I say boo all the time now, and someone asked if that is my way of saying hi in #ubuntu-docs
[02:42] <bddebian> hehe
[02:43] <nixternal> I GOT IT FROM THAT STINKING BDDEBIAN GUY
[02:43] <nixternal> muhehe
[02:43] <bddebian> Glad I'm having some impact ;-P
[02:43] <nixternal> true
[02:43] <nixternal> man, the FSF put up a pretty decent article on hardware free from restrictions
[03:39] <bddebian> Is 0.10.10 to 0.10.11 of a native package considered a new upstream version?
[03:39] <crimsun> not really, since it's native :-)
[03:40] <bddebian> That was my thought but wanted to make sure
[03:40] <crimsun> it's a new version; run it past the LP motu-uvf team if you're unsure
[03:41] <bddebian> Gah
[03:41] <crimsun> I can give you a short opinion if you'll say which source package
[03:42] <bddebian> module-assistant
[03:42] <bddebian> I was gonna look at the u-u-s bug for it but Debian has a newer version also
[03:42] <crimsun> that's essentially a bug fix
[03:43] <bddebian> Aye
[03:43] <crimsun> file a UVF exception request, let me know the bug # , and I'll ACK it
[03:43] <bddebian> Gah, what a PITA :-)
[03:43] <crimsun> [it's pretty much a no-brainer ACK] 
[03:44] <ajmitch> if it really needs 2 ACKs, you can always buy me beer
[03:49] <bddebian> Damn, of course his diff doesn't apply against 0.10.11
[03:51] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[03:55] <ajmitch> excellent, samba 3.0.25pre1
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: gotten all the u-u-s done yet?
[03:57] <ajmitch> no, I'm leaving that up to you while I go away for the weekend
[03:57] <ajmitch> I delegate
[03:58] <bddebian> We need a way to keep the (Debian) bugs from showing up, it's damn irritating :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:58] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes, exactly :)
[04:03] <bddebian> crimsun: Is this even worth filing?
[04:04] <ajmitch> or you can just upload
[04:04] <ajmitch> since you've got 2 ACKs on irc
[04:04] <crimsun> bddebian: right, what ajmitch stated
[04:05] <bddebian> But it would be a straight sync without the patch on LP that doesn't apply against 0.10.11
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's fine
[04:05] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[04:07] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: you know how to file sync requests
[04:17] <theCore> how much time does it take for a package to be published, after it been uploaded to the archive?
[04:17] <LaserJock> might take a while
[04:17] <LaserJock> we have Herd5 freeze at the moment
[04:18] <bddebian> Gah, forget this stupid package
[04:18] <theCore> ah ok, thanks LaserJock 
[04:18] <theCore> btw, LaserJock are you still using my Emacs package?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> theCore: is it a new package?
[04:21] <theCore> Hobbsee: new? Emacs or for the publishing thing?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> [14:17]  <theCore> how much time does it take for a package to be published, after it been uploaded to the archive?
[04:21] <theCore> Hobbsee: yeah, I was looking at supertux-stable
[04:21] <Hobbsee> theCore: so probably the publishing thing.  that'll have to go thru NEW
[04:21] <Hobbsee> so, ages
[04:22] <Hobbsee> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/89110
[04:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:22] <theCore> Hobbsee: at least, it is on Launchpad...
[04:22] <bddebian> Gah Dapper->Edgy->Feisty ought to be "fun" on this slow-arse laptop :-(
[04:22] <Hobbsee> theCore: true.  an archive admin will have to accept it though, which is the long part
[04:22] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Nice bug :-)
[04:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's a useful bug
[04:22] <Hobbsee> oh yes.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> does someone want to reject that?
[04:22] <theCore> "This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers  team only." sigh...
[04:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: do you need to take a step back from the keyboard before replying?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, dont think so.  might just tell him about the bug squad, and to feel free to help out, rather than whinging about it.
[04:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I certainly don't think I could be diplomatic in replying :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> d
[04:25] <Hobbsee> bddebian: got dapper's evolution on there now?
[04:25] <theCore> I think LaserJock should reply. He is the king of diplomacy :)
[04:25] <bddebian> heh
[04:25] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: asac would love to have people reproduce & get some info about the evolution issue
[04:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I'm just installing Dapper now, why do you need something?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/89106
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89106 in evolution "camel-WARNING **: Failed to initialize NSS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true
[04:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: reassign it to evolution & mark it as duplicate, please :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> dupe of which bug?  (if you have it offhand)
[04:27] <LaserJock> theCore: yes, I do use your emacs packages
[04:27] <ajmitch> bug 88990
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88990 in firefox "evolution breaks with libnss update" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88990
[04:27] <ajmitch> just had to scroll through u-bugs logs to find the conversation from earlier
[04:27] <ScottK> You mean breaking Evolution isn't a feature (says the Kubuntu user)?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: *grin*
[04:28] <ajmitch> I don't know, I use mutt :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm not sure i was there early enough
[04:29] <ajmitch> oh well, as long as someone's sorting through the new bugs as they come in
[04:29] <bddebian> What can I add to that bug?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> there.
[04:31] <ajmitch> I'll see you on sunday evening
[04:31] <Hobbsee> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/89110
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Rejected]  
[04:31] <Hobbsee> bye ajmitch!
[04:31] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[04:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think that bug should go to our special channel ;-)
[04:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: cya
[04:39] <jdong> bug 89110
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89110 in Ubuntu "Too Many Unresolved Bugs" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89110
[05:18] <bddebian> Heh, I just got an e-mail asking for svk 2.0 for Edgy..
[05:18] <bddebian> I don't even think I could get it in Feisty at this point.. :-)
[05:21] <jdong> bddebian: ugh svk is not fun to maintain in general :D
[07:14] <imbrandon> Adri2000, just use dget to get feisty and debian source packages
[07:15] <imbrandon> e.g. dget http://url.to/myfav.dsc
[07:15] <imbrandon> and it will get the package just aliek apt-get source
[07:15] <imbrandon> like*
[07:17] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we need a dget-LP
[07:18] <imbrandon> LaserJock, dget-LP ?
[07:20] <imbrandon> ahh yea dget dosent seem to work on lp huh
[07:20] <imbrandon> that sucks
[07:21] <imbrandon> i'm sure a small python package would fix it up
[07:21] <imbrandon> err python script
[07:21] <imbrandon> wth is with librarian sticking them in diffrent direwctorys for
[07:21] <imbrandon> thats silly
[07:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's called an LP "feature"
[07:24] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I've asked about it before
[07:25] <LaserJock> maybe we can get some sort of file or something that would allow us to script it better
[07:25] <tbf> ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected/vala_0.0.6-0ubuntu1_source.changes <- what have I done wrong?
[07:26] <tbf> ...didn't get any notification regarding the move
[07:39] <tbf> HELLO. HUHU. CONTRIBUTOR HERE.
[07:40] <LaserJock> tbf: hi, just a sec
[07:40] <tbf> LaserJock: thanks.
[07:40] <imbrandon> tbf, also calm down , not all of us are at the keyboard all the time
[07:41] <imbrandon> some of us are busy while still on irc ;)
[07:41] <tbf> imbrandon: I am calm. just tried to get some attention. you know: those dirty tricks.
[07:42] <LaserJock> tbf: well, I'm not sure exactly why it was rejected but it could be because your package is for edgy
[07:42] <LaserJock> tbf: it should be at least feisty
[07:42] <tbf> LaserJock: ok, that's easy to fix.
[07:43] <LaserJock> tbf: I'll clean out the rejected package so you can try again
[07:47] <tbf> LaserJock: thanks
[08:24] <tbf> LaserJock: ok, uploaded again. also realized that lintian complained about debhelper and cdbs not being mentioned as build dependency - fixed.
[08:25] <tbf> hope this time the package is fine.
[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <tsmithe> hiya dholbach 
[08:37] <imbrandon> moins dholbach 
[08:37] <dholbach> hiya tsmithe
[08:37] <tsmithe> hi Lure  -  good luck on the motu application
[08:37] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[08:38] <imbrandon> lo tsmithe 
[08:38] <Lure> tsmithe: thanks - just seen e-mail I need to reply... ;-)
[08:38] <tsmithe> :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> heya dholbach 
[08:39] <Hobbsee> Lure's going for MOTU?  yay!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hey tsmithe 
[08:39] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, you can cheer for me ;-) - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000003.html
[08:48] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[08:48] <LaserJock> tbf: did it work?
[08:48] <dholbach> hi LaserJock
[08:49] <tbf> LaserJock: package shows up on http://revu.tauware.de/ now
[08:49] <LaserJock> tbf: awesome
[08:49] <tbf> LaserJock: groovy
[08:49] <tbf> lets see if that great tool makes it into universe
[09:39] <cbx33> hi all....I'm just starting to code in C  
[09:39] <cbx33> can anyone help me....what do i need to put for an include to get the gtk libs
[09:39] <cbx33> and then what do i need to use on the gcc L thing.....I've managed to get the opengl libs fine
[09:39] <cbx33> but can't figure out how to do the gtk ones
[09:40] <cbx33> if comeone knows a simple gtk C   app i can use as a reference that'd be cool too
[10:13] <cbx33> don;t worry...
[10:13] <cbx33> got it
[10:18] <geser> cbx33: you could probably use pkgconfig to get the include and linker flags for gcc
[10:39] <cbx33> yeh i got that 
[10:39] <cbx33> thanks geser
[10:40] <cbx33> I found it on a tutorial somewhere
[11:07] <jekil> hi
[11:08] <gpocentek> hello
[11:27] <AstralJava> dholbach: ping?
[11:29] <dholbach> AstralJava: pong
[11:29] <AstralJava> Hi, we're wrapping your bzr branches into .debs, and ran into trouble.
[11:30] <dholbach> aha=
[11:30] <AstralJava> Two things, metacity-theme-1.xml and index.theme don't get generated.
[11:30] <AstralJava> I fixed, or think I did, the metacity thingie, I'll post a link to a diff in a second.
[11:30] <dholbach> where's your branch?
[11:30] <AstralJava> I haven't pushed them yet.
[11:31] <dholbach> if you have, let me know and I'll take a look
[11:31] <AstralJava> Wanna take a look at the diff now?
[11:32] <AstralJava> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8192/
[11:32] <AstralJava> Okay I'll setup my branch next.
[11:37] <dholbach> it's much easier to work only with bzr
[11:37] <dholbach> but your patch looks good
[11:37] <dholbach> just apply it to your branch
[11:37] <AstralJava> Ahh.. haven't used another branch to create mine, how should I approach it? bzr init?
[11:38] <dholbach> bzr branch dholbachs-local-ustudio-branch my-ustudio-branch
[11:38] <dholbach> done
[11:38] <dholbach> :)
[11:38] <AstralJava> Okay thanks! :)
[11:39] <dholbach> cd my-ustudio-branch; ... do changes ...; bzr commit -m "<message>"; bzr push sftp://<LaunchpadID>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~<team ID>/<product>/<branchname>
[11:39] <dholbach> sftp://astraljava@bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-developers/ubuntustudio-look/ubuntu  --   for example
[11:40] <dholbach> if you do    bzr push --remember <...>    you only have to type the branch url once
[11:57] <AstralJava> dholbach: What's this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8203/
[11:57] <jekil> hi
[11:59] <dholbach> ubuntustudio-developers   ->  ~ubuntustudio-dev
[11:59] <dholbach> AstralJava: ^
[11:59] <AstralJava> Oh crap, sorry about that. 
[11:59] <dholbach> np
[11:59] <AstralJava> I don't know where my eyes are today. :)
[12:01] <AstralJava> It also needed a tilde (~) in front of the team name. _That_ I did catch?! Weird. :)
[12:07] <AstralJava> Alright my branch is up now.
[12:07] <AstralJava> But it's only got that patch applied.
[12:07] <AstralJava> So we'd need to figure out why index.theme doesn't get generated.
[12:15] <dholbach> AstralJava: i'll check in a bit
[12:18] <AstralJava> Thanks a bunch! Here's an error I snatched from pbuilder output: 
[12:18] <AstralJava> Merging translations into build/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/index.theme.
[12:18] <AstralJava> syntax error at line 1, column 0, byte 0 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 187
[12:31] <AnAnt> Hello
[12:32] <AnAnt> who is Andrew Mitchell ?
[12:32] <cbx33> hehehe
[12:32] <elkbuntu> he hates me already, no love lost :
[12:32] <cbx33> that was evil elkbuntu 
[12:32] <AnAnt> a => andrew? mitch -> Mitchel
[12:32] <AnAnt> hmmmmm
[12:33] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ping !
[12:34] <AnAnt> ajmitch: about that sync. request #84857 , what is the "proper info. for sync request" that is still needed
[12:34] <elkbuntu> AnAnt, be aware it is 00:33 ajmitch time, so he might be asleep or heavens forbid, socialising
[12:35] <cbx33> elkbuntu: what is socialising
[12:36] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: he's not here.
[12:36] <elkbuntu> cbx33, meh, i dont know, it's something i heard from someone who wasnt behind a computer screen
[12:36] <highvoltage> the only place I've ever heard about socialising was behind my computer screen
[12:37] <stgraber> elkbuntu: you know someone who isn't behind a computer screen ?
[12:37] <highvoltage> (possibly because I'm rarely not behind a computer)
[12:37] <elkbuntu> i still live at home. my parents use the word in a complaining tone to me reguarly
[12:54] <cbx33> Can't find Qt library. No QTDIR set.
[12:54] <cbx33> ?
[12:54] <cbx33> I'm trying to copmile an app
[12:54] <cbx33> any takers?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> kdelibs4-dev as a build dep
[12:55] <Hobbsee> iirc
[12:58] <cbx33> thanks
[12:58] <cbx33> you rock Hobbsee 
[12:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> cbx33: i dont think so, look at -devel
[12:59] <cbx33> I'm not in there
[12:59] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-devel?
[01:00] <cbx33> yeh just joined
[01:00] <cbx33> no you're right....I already hve that
[01:00] <cbx33> :( - awww
[01:00] <cbx33> well if I'd have done it I'd have broken all of them
[01:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:00] <cbx33> any other ideas?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> if it's not kdelibs4-dev, grab kdebase4-dev
[01:01] <cbx33> thanks
[01:01] <cbx33> already have it
[01:01] <cbx33> :(
[01:02] <Hobbsee> cbx33: what are you compiling?
[01:02] <cbx33> pdfedit
[01:03] <cbx33> from sourceforge
[01:03] <cbx33> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFedit
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't it be libqt-dev?
[01:03] <cbx33> E: Package libqt-dev has no installation candidate
[01:04] <cbx33> :(
[01:04] <Hobbsee> bah.  i'm doubly wrong.
[01:04] <Fujitsu> libqt3-dev, perhaps
[01:04] <Hobbsee> libqt4-dev - Qt 4 development files
[01:04] <Hobbsee> libqt4-dev | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages
[01:04] <Hobbsee> libqt4-dev | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[01:04] <Hobbsee>    qt4-x11 | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources
[01:04] <Hobbsee>    qt4-x11 | 4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[01:04] <Fujitsu> That's for Qt 4, if that's what you want.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> cbx33: no, it's there.
[01:04] <cbx33> instlaling
[01:07] <cbx33> Hobbsee: any luck?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> cbx33: appears to just be /usr
[01:08] <Hobbsee>     * Edit the top of kdesvn-buildrc-sample to match the settings of your system (instructions are in the file itself and the online docs). Be sure to have the qtdir and kdedir lines set to the output of `dirname $(dirname $(which uic))` and `kde-config --prefix` respectively (if you plan on using your current Qt and KDE installs). For instance, on Gentoo it might be /usr/qt/3 and /usr/kde/3.5. 
[01:10] <StevenK> /bin/bash ./config.status --recheck
[01:10] <StevenK> running /bin/bash /tmp/buildd/kat-0.6.3/./configure  --build=x86_64-linux-gnu ...
[01:10] <StevenK> Fun
[01:17] <cbx33> ARGH
[01:17] <cbx33>  /bin/sh: /usr/include/qt3/bin/qmake: not found
[01:17] <cbx33> it's looking for qmake in different places
[01:18] <geser> cbx33: does your app needs qt4 or qt3?
[01:18] <cbx33> qt3
[01:18] <geser> try libqt3-mt-dev
[01:18] <cbx33> already got it
[01:18] <cbx33> hehe
[01:19] <cbx33> thanks for the help earlier geser
[01:19] <cbx33> now I just need to learn how to code in C  
[01:19] <cbx33> now I just need to learn how to code in C  
[01:19] <cbx33> 
[01:20] <cbx33> is anyone seeing plus signs ?
[01:20] <elkbuntu> not i
[01:20] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:20] <Hobbsee> no
[01:20] <Hobbsee> you're just going crazy :P
[01:20] <cbx33> cgi irc....won't send plus signs
[01:59] <geser> Adri2000: are going to merge jabber again?
[02:04] <fernando> hey all
[02:04] <Adri2000> geser: there is a new jabber?
[02:07] <geser> yes, http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jabber/news/20070302T114703Z.html
[02:13] <AstralJava> dholbach_: Are you available this evening? I'm afraid I'll have to leave for some 8 hours or so...
[02:31] <zul> grrr...canadian weather sucks..
[02:38] <Adri2000> geser: you can merge jabber
[02:45] <geser> will do
[02:57] <dholbach> AstralJava: in 8h i'll be out - it will be 23:00 and I'll be in a club
[02:57] <lizardking> Hello there
[02:57] <lizardking> I have some questions
[02:59] <lizardking> I'm still on time to put my theme in Universe ( is not a theme for the main artowork, but some like Blubuntu)? 
[02:59] <cbx33> dholbach: that sounds like one of those social lives that elkbuntu was takling about
[02:59] <lizardking> Should I put in the REVU procedure?
[03:00] <lizardking> dholbach: hi
[03:00] <dholbach> hi lizardking
[03:01] <lizardking> dholbach:  I was asking about OranSun...
[03:01] <dholbach> I thought so :)
[03:01] <lizardking> dholbach: Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu
[03:01] <lizardking> Is there some motu admins? ;)
[03:02] <dholbach> \sh and siretart probably
[03:02] <imbrandon> motu admin or revu admin ?
[03:02] <dholbach> revu
[03:02] <imbrandon> i can sync it , one sec
[03:02] <dholbach> super, thanks imbrandon
[03:02] <imbrandon> np
[03:02] <lizardking> imbrandon: very very thanks
[03:03] <imbrandon> lizardking, np, i'm going afk , key syncing now, it takes about ~10 minutes to finish
[03:03] <imbrandon> give it ~10 minutes and try it, should be golden
[03:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:03] <lizardking> imbrandon: ok
[03:05] <lizardking> dholbach: So after 10 min Can I upload the package? Should I do some more?
[03:06] <dholbach> lizardking: if the document says that, then yes
[03:07] <lizardking> dholbach: but I have to do something special for NewPackagesFreezeUniverse exceptions or not?
[03:07] <dholbach> lizardking: get it reviewed
[03:07] <dholbach> lizardking: then file a bug for that exception
[03:09] <lizardking> dholbach: ok I understand. Big thanks
[03:10] <dholbach> ok
[03:13] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ping
[03:50] <pochu> hi folks! I have a question: the debian tracker fixes some bugs which are in ubuntu, so I should request a sync. However, they have included a patch for for mips, hppa and m68k archs, so what should I do?
[03:51] <pochu> the patch is to fix a FTBFS in those archs
[03:52] <lionel> pochu: yes, request a sync. Keeping the gap between Ubuntu and Debian is the best way to do that
[03:54] <pochu> lionel: but I say it because we don't have those archs. Is there any problem with it, or do I simply request a sync?
[03:55] <lionel> I suppose their patch do not cause FTBFS on the others archs
[03:55] <lionel> so including them in Ubuntu is fine
[03:56] <lionel> even if we do not have those archs
[03:56] <pochu> lionel: ok, ty :)
[04:06] <pochu> Bug #89226 <--- if somebody can review a sync request :)
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89226
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:26] <lionel> Hi bddebian
[04:27] <\sh> dholbach: I don't have any revu admin powers anymore...(last time I checked)
[04:27] <\sh> pochu: you need an UVF exception report
[04:28] <dholbach> \sh: alrighty
[04:28] <pochu> \sh: it's not a new upstream version, just some changes in the same version
[04:28] <jdong> dholbach: can you pretty please spare some time to look at xserver-xgl's uvfe?
[04:29] <jdong> please?
[04:29] <jdong> while true; do echo please; done
[04:30] <dholbach> jdong: the team consists of 5 people
[04:30] <dholbach> i'm quite busy atm - pretty please ask somebody else
[04:30] <Adri2000> pochu: you need the debian changelog entries
[04:30] <pochu> Adri2000: oh, one moment
[04:30] <jdong> silly dholbach, thinking I haven't annoyed the crap out of the 4 others :D
[04:31] <bddebian> Hello lionel
[04:32] <pochu> Adri2000: done :)
[04:32] <geser> pochu: you should include the Debian changelog entries for 0.5.4-2 to 0.5.4-4
[04:32] <pochu> geser: done ;)
[04:32] <pochu> hehe
[04:32] <geser> what was changed in Ubuntu?
[04:33] <jdong> geser: the theme is all blue now!
[04:33] <jdong> lol
[04:33] <pochu> geser: nothing, I uploaded it to the repos
[04:33] <jdong> :)
[04:33] <jdong> that's my pitched idea for the next April Fools prank.
[04:36] <geser> pochu: ACKed
[04:36] <pochu> ack?
[04:36] <bddebian> acknowledged
[04:36] <pochu> ty :)
[04:36] <jdong> poor pochu....
[04:36] <pochu> hehe
[04:36] <pochu> btw I know some others :)
[04:36] <jdong> us using all these TLA's
[04:37] <pochu> wtf ;)
[04:37] <pochu> ty anyway :D
[04:37] <pochu> jdong: tla?
[04:37] <pochu> :)
[04:37] <jdong> three letter acronym.
[04:37] <pochu> jdong: wow
[04:37] <pochu> even for that xD
[04:37] <jdong> world of warcraft.
[04:38] <pochu> and what about jdong?
[04:38] <pochu> what does that mean? :P
[04:38] <geser> pochu: some used acronyms are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms
[04:39] <jdong> geser: lol you're supposed to use w.u.c/A
[04:39] <jdong> :)
[04:39] <pochu> lol
[04:40] <pochu> I didn't know what meant sabdlf
[04:40] <pochu> s/meant/mean/
[04:40] <jdong> no ubotu... come back
[04:40] <jdong> grr
[04:40] <pochu> bof?
[04:40] <jdong> and I was just gonna collide nicks with it
[04:40] <jdong> Big Open Forum
[04:41] <pochu> jdong: oh, you're wrong :P
[04:41] <pochu> Birds of a Feather
[04:41] <pochu> ?
[04:41] <jdong> pochu: no, I'm right. the other is just a eulogy for it.
[04:41] <jdong> euphemism
[04:41] <pochu> hehe
[04:41] <pochu> ok :)
[04:42] <pochu> jdong: and wtf is Big Open Forum?
[04:42] <pochu> ubuntuforums.org?
[04:42] <jdong> no, that's a Gigantic Open Forum
[04:42] <jdong> actually Closed if you talk to VBulletin critics :)
[04:42] <jdong> or people who hate our administration policy :D
[04:42] <pochu> :)
[04:43] <pochu> well, I think I know now everything about ubuntu tla, WDYT?
[04:48] <jdong> LOL GTK LRM KVM OMG GL HF GG NR20 TVB NO ZERG
[04:55] <bddebian> STFU BFD
[04:55] <pochu> laugh out loud? gtk-gnome? lrm-kernel? kernel volume manager, oh my god, good luck, have fun, good game, nr20?, tvb?, no-not?, zerg?
[04:55] <pochu> English is more difficult than python :)
[06:01] <Toadstool> good morning everybody!
[06:06] <x-spec-t> 'mornin
[06:07] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:10] <sacater> how do i make a team on launchpad
[06:10] <sacater> or find an existing one
[06:11] <Toadstool> hi bddebian!
[06:15] <keescook> mornin'
[06:16] <bddebian> Heya keescook
[06:17] <keescook> hi bddebian!
[06:58] <geser> fabo: about bug #85120: which version should be synced?
[06:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85120 in kscope "please sync kscope [universe]  from Debian unstable [main] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85120
[07:27] <Toadstool> hmm... interesting :p
[07:28] <Riddell> feel free to kickban him Toadstool 
[07:29] <Toadstool> Riddell: thanks :)
[07:54] <Seveas> Riddell, please unban again, he stopped
[07:54] <Riddell> go Toadstool 
[07:55] <Riddell> or you can do it
[08:11] <kdefreak> Probably answer before my power/connection went haywire and konversation's autowho went bezerk, but, how would I make pbuilder use only 1 of my cpus?
[08:32] <lizardking> Hi imbrandon
[08:32] <lizardking> I uploaded oransun package in REVU, but I got a mail "Rejected:
[08:32] <lizardking> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> lizardking: You probably forgot to specify to use revu, so it tried to go to the Ubuntu repos instead.
[08:33] <geser> lizardking: then you uploaded to Ubuntu and not revu
[08:33] <lizardking> ops
[08:33] <lizardking> :|
[08:34] <tsmithe> edit /etc/dput.cf to switch the default
[08:34] <lizardking> default_host_main = revu
[08:34] <tsmithe> :S
[08:38] <lizardking> Where I should put this?  default_host_main = revu. Before or after [DEFAULT] 
[08:38] <lizardking> login = username
[08:38] <lizardking>  ....
[08:42] <lizardking> dput revu oransun-look_0.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes 
[08:42] <lizardking> I thinks this works
[08:55] <lizardking> I finally uploaded the code. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4545
[08:55] <lizardking> Someone can help me to do this procedure? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-3545adef94d4dc79d5392ddb1f51b9ac30ab0861
[09:35] <jeff_> hello, I see that specto has been uploaded nearly a month ago and was accepted (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4323), but it's still not in universe
[09:35] <jeff_> what's up with that ?_?
[09:40] <stgraber> according to lauchpad it was compiled this afternoon
[09:41] <stgraber> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/305437
[09:42] <stgraber> jeff_: Give it the time to be uploaded on the mirrors :)
[09:43] <jeff_> stgraber: o_O thanks
[09:54] <tsmithe> imbrandon, tell jdong about your 100MiB/s connection, please... he's boasting in another channel
[09:54] <tsmithe> and with that, i'm going to sleep
[09:54] <jdong> pfft
[09:54] <jdong> I'm not comparing connection penises with a guy at a hosting company.
[09:55] <crimsun> oh yeah? Well I'm sure my mobile's data transfer rate bests you all.
[09:55] <tsmithe> poor crimsun 
[09:55] <jdong> crimsun: oh lolz you have 3gz?
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> Dialup ftw?
[09:55] <jdong> crimsun: guess what you can do to bug 87687?
[09:55] <crimsun> I think this phone pushes 1.1 KB/s on a good day
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[09:56] <crimsun> jdong: I err, have a Beta blocker that's slightly higher priority, and I've just begun to dig into it?
[09:57] <jdong> siretart?
[09:57] <tsmithe> crimsun, hahaha
[09:57] <tsmithe> night all
[11:34] <LaserJock> wahoo, library day!
[11:39] <Riddell> LaserJock: what's that?
[11:40] <LaserJock> I stopped by the library after lunch
[11:41] <LaserJock> picked up wxPython in action, beginning PHP5, and a nifty new "How to actually use C++" book
[11:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you got that rsync script?'
[11:44] <theCore> LaserJock: and you call yourself a book nerd ... pfft
[11:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ogra's? yeah
[11:44] <theCore> LaserJock: you should see *my* bookshelf :)
[11:44] <LaserJock> theCore: Sorry, I don't think I can pick up the emacs books ;-)
[11:45] <LaserJock> theCore: I've been at uni for 9 years, trust me, I have a bookcase
[11:45] <theCore> LaserJock: bah, yeah true. You certainly beat on the chemistry books :)
[11:45] <theCore> beat me*
[11:45] <LaserJock> between my wife and I we have 3 bookcases
[11:45] <LaserJock> and then at work I have one
[11:45] <theCore> ouch ...
[11:46] <theCore> ok, I am defeated
[11:46] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[11:46] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: ah, rock, yes
[11:49] <theCore> LaserJock: I got a full list of programming books : http://tinyurl.com/3ddpsm So, if you're looking for a good and challenging book about programming, it's probably there
[11:50] <keescook> crimsun, siretart: can either of you pull the trigger on 83737 ?  (Or show me what I should do to move it to the next step?)
[11:51] <crimsun> theCore: you're missing http://www.amazon.ca/Shellcoders-Handbook-Discovering-Exploiting-Security/dp/047008023X/ref=sr_1_2/702-8346405-9035255?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1172875887&sr=1-2 
[11:52] <Fujitsu> Morning MOTUs.
[11:52] <keescook> hiya Fujitsu
[11:52] <crimsun> bug 83737
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83737 in edgy-backports "Please backport Inkscape 0.45 from Ubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83737
[11:52] <Fujitsu> Hey keescook.
[11:52] <theCore> crimsun: oh, never heard of this one, thanks
[11:53] <theCore> oh, that seems to be a crazy one
[11:54] <theCore> and looking for a good book about building secure programs. Learning how to crack programs is certainly a way to learn that...
[11:55] <theCore> thanks crimsun, added to my wish list :)
[11:57] <crimsun> keescook: I'm a bit uneasy about loosening the libgc-dev versioned b-d; are there absolutely no regressions by loosening it?
[11:57] <crimsun> [for 6.06] 
[11:58] <keescook> crimsun: that's just for Dapper.  :)
[11:58] <keescook> I tested it for a bit, and didn't see any issues.
[11:58] <crimsun> keescook: if so, perhaps loosen it in the next upload to feisty?
[11:58] <keescook> what I'm really after is edgy; lots of people want an edgy 0.45.  :)
[11:59] <crimsun> err, um, ok, so the dapper-backports task is ...?
[11:59] <Fujitsu> What's so great about 0.45.
[11:59] <Fujitsu> *?
[12:00] <keescook> crimsun: I'll double-check it, yet.  The autoconf just wants 6.4 or better, and the "problems", iirc, were with 6.3.
[12:00] <keescook> Fujitsu: blur!  :)
[12:00] <keescook> Fujitsu: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/23/1639217
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Blurring is actually defined in SVG? I'm impressed.
[12:05] <crimsun> keescook: ok, I'll +1 the edgy-backports task and leave the dapper-backports task pending
[12:10] <LaserJock> phew
[12:11] <keescook> crimsun: cool; thanks.  at what point does an upload happen for the edgy-backports task?
[12:11] <LaserJock> the "OMG, this control center crap will make me move to X" has turned into "OMG, where did the control center go? Ubuntu devs stink!" so fast :-)
[12:11] <crimsun> keescook: ubuntu-archive will handle the push
[12:12] <keescook> crimsun: okay
[12:12] <geser> crimsun: now that xserver-xorg-video-* got updated in feisty, should I file a uvfe for i810-modesetting to update it also?