grazieyeah...academic institutions use rise above carrot dangling,....but now it's just money money money12:26
maxamillionbuuuuttttttt i have been able to convince the department chair to give us a linux computer lab (only took me 2 years of begging)12:27
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j1mcmaxamillion: that's great.  where do you go to school, if you don't mind.12:30
j1mcsam houston state university?  :)  (got the shsu.edu from your "info")  :)12:31
maxamillioni'm at work right now, i work as a system technician for the campus library and i run xubuntu on my work machine :)12:32
maxamillionLinux xUbuntu4work 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 21:16:35 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:32
j1mcmaxamillion - looks like you got that info from uname -a  :-)12:34
maxamillionj1mc: i actually just did /exec -o uname -a in irssi :)12:34
j1mcah, cool12:34
maxamillionirssi is my favorite irc client, i enjoy the command line12:35
j1mcyeah, i've played w/it.  i'm still mostly on xchat.12:37
j1mcon gaim now, just cos i'm at work.  ((windows))12:38
maxamillionfair enough12:39
maxamillioni actually really like the chatzilla plugin for firefox when i am on a windows machine12:39
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jbinderdoes xubuntu use GDM?12:39
maxamillioni used to run xchat like 5 years ago before i became a cli junkie12:39
maxamillionjbinder: yes12:39
jbindermaxamillion: so killall gdm should stop GUIness?12:39
maxamillionjbinder: uhmmm.... yeah, i think so12:40
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maxamillionjbinder: but you could also just hard kill with ctrl+alt+backspace while in tty712:40
maxamillionor not12:40
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Darkkishis DDR800 pointless to buy, even if my mobo supports it?12:43
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maxamillionDarkkish: no, its fast12:43
daemonAnimatinzI am using Xubuntu :)12:44
maxamilliondaemonAnimatinz: welcome to our world :)12:44
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thedaemonhehe ty ty12:45
thedaemongot it on my brand new laptop. which came with ... vista12:45
thedaemonmy pc felt like a 300mhz pc..12:45
grazie                           shame12:45
thedaemonnow its much better12:45
maxamillionoh yeah12:46
maxamillionxubuntu is a wonderful thing12:46
thedaemonI've quite enjoyed it. everything has worked out of the box on my laptop.12:46
grazieso M$ got cash for something you immediately trashed ....crazy12:47
thedaemonlol, I said I am using xubuntu in this room... now I feel like an idiot., I thought I was in another channel.12:47
thedaemonnot paying much attention12:47
thedaemonI know, stupid huh?12:48
maxamillionno worries .. but i will be making my next laptop purchase from www.dell.com/linux so they don't get my money12:48
thedaemonI don't want dell to have my money either.. :O12:49
goppgrazie hi12:49
gopphey I got ubuntu yaboot to load12:49
goppbut know12:49
goppI am getting hmm I am getting input/output error12:49
graziegopp: hi there12:49
gopprember me12:50
goppI got hmm I am getting input/output error12:50
goppin the yaboot screen12:50
goppafter I press return or type Linux and enter12:50
graziegopp: yeah I remember12:50
thedaemonthose laptops are expensive.12:50
thedaemonon dell.com/linux12:50
goppbut this is know12:50
maxamillionthedaemon: yeah, i will be saving for a while ... but since dell is willing to support the linux movement, i am willing to support their company12:51
thedaemonyeah, I understand12:51
graziegopp: did you ever check the specs on whether that old G4 supports 160G drives?12:51
goppyea it should12:52
graziegopp: so you can't boot xubuntu?12:53
goppI get to yaboot12:53
goppI got hmm I am getting input/output error12:53
gopplike /pci@800000 input/output error12:53
grazieAh right....that sounds like you're using a bad OF device name12:54
goppgrazie oh it is how does oen fix that12:55
graziegopp: not got networking sorted?12:55
goppI can get networking via ubutnu live cd12:56
goppshould I12:56
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graziegopp: pastebin your /etc/yaboo,conf and we'll get the correct OF device names....but I'm doing other stuff at the moment too12:57
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illumidigeratihello hello01:16
illumidigeratixubuntu is being a whore, so i'm running Kanotix live-cd.01:17
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RandomDestructnxubuntu is always a lady, you take that back :P01:17
illumidigeratisurprised it actually connected to the net via livecd01:17
RandomDestructnwhats up?01:18
illumidigeratifine, she's a nice, respectable, upstanding, fine piece of ass01:18
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:18
illumidigeratiok, language. sorry01:18
maxamillionits ok, we just don't want anyone to be offended01:18
maxamilliongranted more often than not ... they aren't, but just incasew01:18
illumidigeratiwell RD, dpkg is having a severe issue with...well, not working at all. i apt-get install package and it gives me two errors01:19
yendorHi again, I have intstalled Smb4k, but i get an error mounting the folder, Do i need to download smbfs?01:19
maxamillionyendor: possibly01:19
yendoris smbfs built into the xubuntu system?01:19
RandomDestructnillumidigerati, and those errors are01:20
illumidigeratione sec RD, gotta remember01:20
maxamillionyendor: wait ... it might be01:20
ubotusmbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 389 kB, installed size 920 kB01:20
ubotuxubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels01:20
gopphow much space does xubuntu take01:21
RandomDestructngopp, my root partition is 6 gigs01:21
j1mcgopp: xubuntu requires at least 1.5 gigabytes to be installed01:21
j1mcthat is the minimum.01:22
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goppoh so 160 gig hd is good enough01:22
j1mchah, yeah01:23
goppI want to run samba share01:23
goppor cfs01:23
krash123can anybody help me with my nvidia drivers ? :S01:23
j1mcgopp: i can't really help you w/ that, but i'm sure somebody else can.01:23
goppI read today somewhere where it said that samba started becuase some geek wanted to share files between his unix box and his girlfriend computer01:23
ubotucfs: Cryptographic Filesystem. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.1-17 (edgy), package size 181 kB, installed size 568 kB01:23
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT01:23
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RandomDestructnsamba is easy to set up01:25
RandomDestructnI have it set up so I can stream videos to my xbox01:25
goppoh so I should not have a problem, RandomDestructn is it all cli01:27
RandomDestructnwtf is that? ;)01:27
goppcommand line01:27
RandomDestructnsimple well commented config file01:27
RandomDestructnlol sorry ignore that01:27
RandomDestructnI saw cli and read GUI01:27
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands01:27
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:27
RandomDestructnstop doing that01:27
maxamillionthe bot is awesome01:27
maxamillioncli = command line interface01:28
RandomDestructnyeah I know that01:29
RandomDestructndid you read what I wrote?01:29
RandomDestructn<RandomDestructn> lol sorry ignore that01:30
RandomDestructnRandomDestructn> I saw cli and read GUI01:30
RandomDestructnand I was mocking the fact that he expected a gui to configure samba01:30
maxamillionah ... i actually missed the smiley after the "wtf is that"01:30
RandomDestructnah that too01:30
maxamillionmy fault01:30
maxamillionsorry :)01:30
RandomDestructnbeh, I'll take some too as I cant read properly01:30
maxamillionmeh ... thus is life01:31
RandomDestructnkrash123, you ever get that nvidia help?01:31
krash123can you help me with my nvidia drivers ?01:31
maxamillionwahoo!!! i get off work in 30 minutes01:31
krash123neh i didnt -.-01:31
maxamillion!nvidia | krash12301:31
ubotukrash123: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto01:31
RandomDestructnon my side I said it first :)01:31
krash123but i want the 3D acceleration so i can install beryl01:32
RandomDestructnisnt that what that site is?01:32
maxamillionyes ... yes it is01:32
krash123i tried that but didnt work :S01:32
RandomDestructnglxgears work?01:32
krash123maybe im doing somethinng wrong..01:32
krash123now they do01:32
RandomDestructnthen the drivers work01:32
RandomDestructnand you have an xgl problem01:33
krash123but i dont have the direct rendering :S01:33
maxamillionor an aiglx problem01:33
maxamillionberyl is over rated ... i used it for a few weeks at work and now i am back to xfwm401:33
krash123glxinfo | grep renderin = Direct rendering = No01:33
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krash123but i want to try it ! ^^01:33
RandomDestructnrandom@workstatiuntoo:~$ glxinfo | grep renderin01:34
krash123looks awesome..01:34
RandomDestructndirect rendering: Yes01:34
thei hate wireless...01:34
RandomDestructnhaha I win01:34
RandomDestructntho beryl makes my wallpaper go away01:34
RandomDestructnand if i click my desktop it swaps my left monitors wallpaper for the right ones01:34
krash123i been trying for 3 days to get that 01:34
RandomDestructnand takes mad resources01:34
thewhat's the command to change my username?01:34
RandomDestructnbut thats probably cause im using a 6600 128mb to render 3200x120001:35
krash123but all i want is the drivers ...01:35
krash123i found a great guide for beryl..01:35
krash123but it doesnt include drivers.. -.-01:35
krash123i have an N6600 too ^^01:35
krash123but 256mb..01:35
maxamillionthe ram size shouldn't matter01:35
krash123i know..01:36
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, what?01:36
krash123how did u get that direct rendering ? )=01:36
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, if matters a lot01:36
RandomDestructnif you dont have enough ram windows start going black if you open too many01:36
maxamillionthe ram size of the card shouldn't make or break the drivers functionality01:36
RandomDestructnoh nono01:36
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RandomDestructnwe were talking about beryl working on it01:36
RandomDestructnwe know rendering /should/ work01:37
krash123that's what we're talkin about , drivers :P01:37
krash123but i dont get direct rendering )=01:37
thei want cable....Verizon is a deadbeat.01:37
krash123how did you install your drivers random ?01:37
maxamillionthe: yeah ... i have cable at home ... its nice, but it seems so slow compared to the fiber line i have at work01:37
RandomDestructnkrash123, downloaded the binaries and sudo ./NVIDIA-x86-bignumber.bin01:38
krash123bignumber ?01:38
thei'd hope so max, lol01:38
thei like hardwiring though. I've never trusted wireless, and now i'm getting a ginormous dose of it01:39
krash123i downloaded this NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1,0-9746-pkg1.run01:39
krash123made sudo sh ./NVIDIA-.....01:40
krash123but didnt work :S01:40
maxamillionthe: ahhh ... :(01:40
maxamillionkrash123: you have to edit the runtime configs and go to a runtime that won't invoke X annnnnd then each time you kernel upgrade you have to compile again01:41
maxamillionkrash123: you runnin edgy 32-bit?01:41
krash123maxi, im sure i dont know how to do all that :(01:41
maxamillionkrash123: the ndivia-glx version in the repos is the 9xxx (iirc) and will run aiglx rendering without a problem01:41
maxamillionkrash123: its a pain even if you did .. i don't recommend it01:42
goppgrazie http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8153/01:42
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, isnt that what he has now tho?01:42
maxamillionRandomDestructn: not sure ....01:42
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krash123maxi, so what should i do ? :S01:42
maxamillionkrash123: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:42
RandomDestructnkrash123, the downside of my way is every time you upgrade the kernel, X will break and youll have to run the installer again01:42
RandomDestructnthe upside is slightly newer drivers sometimes01:42
maxamillioni'm lazy :_01:43
maxamillion:) *01:43
RandomDestructnactually I do it this way cause im lazy.. I never bothered to learn the right way01:43
krash123what should i do ?01:43
theholy hell, i think i just got a severe upgrade! haha. roommate just let me borrow/possibly own a 2.8ghz amd/1gb ram 128mb vidcard tower...01:43
RandomDestructnkrash123, which method got you where you are now?01:43
RandomDestructn2.8ghz amd? what chip?01:44
theRD, one sec, i'll find out.01:44
krash123actually i reinstalled cause i made a lot of changes and now is CLEAN01:44
RandomDestructn2.8 is high for them01:44
maxamillionkrash123: please pastebin your xorg.conf ... you might just need to edit it01:44
krash123how ? :P01:44
RandomDestructnopen it and paste it to the website01:44
krash123im just gettin started ..01:44
krash123wich website ? :S01:45
RandomDestructnTextEditorOfChoice /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:45
maxamillion!pastebin | krash12301:45
ubotukrash123: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:45
theathlon i think01:45
maxamillionthe: which athlon?01:45
RandomDestructnthe, itll be an a64 at that clock rate01:45
RandomDestructnand itll be a fast one01:45
RandomDestructnmines a 4000+ and it runs at 2.4ghz01:45
graziegopp: in a terminal 'sudo ofpath /dev/hdc'01:45
krash123what goes in syntax?01:46
goppK I typed that01:46
maxamillioni have an athlon64 x2 4600+ and /proc/cpuinfo says its 1ghz :P01:46
maxamillionwell ... i have that here at work01:46
graziegopp: and pastebin 'sudo mac-fdisk -l /dev/hdc'01:46
maxamilliononly have an athlon64 3200+ at home ... but i love it none the less01:46
maxamillionkrash123: yes?01:46
krash123what goes in "syntax" ?01:47
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, run k7burn and cat /proc/cpuinfo again01:47
RandomDestructnthey clock down to 1ghz due to cool'n'quiet01:47
graziegopp: what's output by ofpath?01:47
maxamillionRandomDestructn: ahhhh ... rgr, forgot about that01:47
goppk one sec01:47
RandomDestructnthe fx-57 is 2.8ghz01:47
maxamillionyeah... i think my 3200+ at home is 2Ghz01:48
krash123randomdestructn, what should i put on "syntax" at pastebin ?01:48
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, know what core it is?01:48
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, answer krash12301:48
maxamillionRandomDestructn: Venice01:48
maxamillionkrash123: raw textr01:49
RandomDestructnyeah 2ghz. clock 'er01:49
krash123raw token data ?01:49
maxamillionkrash123: plain text maybe ... depends on the pastebin site01:50
krash123that's it01:50
krash123i think01:50
goppgrazie http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8155/01:50
graziegopp: what's output by ofpath?01:51
goppit thier to01:51
goppat the bottom01:51
gopp pci@blahablah01:51
graziegopp: that all looks good01:53
maxamillionkrash123: look at the link you sent me .... line 95, change that from "nv" to "nvidia" then kill X and log back in, direct rendering should be there01:53
goppthenw hat wrong01:53
goppdo I need to do ybin -v01:53
RandomDestructnmaxamillion, how was glxgears working if he was using nv?01:53
graziegopp: not changed anything01:54
krash123but i didnt install anything ! should i install somthing before ?01:54
graziegopp: how did you set up yaboot...exactly01:54
goppI allowed it to auto do it01:54
goppafter the install01:54
maxamillionRandomDestructn: because xorg is loading the glx module, it was probably just running them at a horribly low frame rate01:54
RandomDestructnhuh. i didnt think it would do it at all. neat.01:54
maxamillion!nvidia | krash12301:55
ubotukrash123: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto01:55
RandomDestructnin which case krash123 is all f ixed up01:55
graziegopp: so the only disk in the g4 is the 160g?01:55
maxamillionkrash123: i beg you to follow that link01:55
krash123so, do that in the link01:55
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krash123after that, change xorg.conf01:55
krash123then restart X ?01:55
RandomDestructnctrl alt backspace :)01:55
RandomDestructn(that will kill x)01:55
rmd_i just noticed that xfce4-terminal isn't really going "transparent" it's just using the background image.  ie, i can't see the firefox beneath this window, just the background image.  is this normal?01:56
krash123those 3 steps and it should work ?01:56
RandomDestructnrmd_, yes01:56
maxamillionkrash123: yes01:56
krash123ill try01:56
RandomDestructnrmd_, its way less resource intensive01:56
RandomDestructnmany apps do it like that01:56
krash123ill tell you when i finish. :D01:56
rmd_just out of curiosity... there's no way to change it?01:56
maxamillionrmd_: there is if you use compositing01:56
ubotuFor instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite01:57
goppgrazie that the only disk01:57
maxamillion!compositor | rmd_01:57
uboturmd_: please see above01:57
maxamilliondidn't know ubotu would do that01:57
RandomDestructnxfce's compositor is actually not bad too01:57
graziegopp: that config should work01:57
rmd_thanks for the link01:57
maxamillionrmd_: no prob01:57
goppI am going to reboot01:57
goppbut I keep getting input and out errors01:57
gopplet me reboot01:58
rmd_but.. uh.. the link just goes to the front page.. doesnt say anything about compositor01:58
maxamillionRandomDestructn: annnd in xfce4.4 apparently compositor will use aiglx and direct render if you have hardware to support it01:58
rmd_i'll find it, though01:58
goppdo I need to bless it somehow01:58
graziegopp: with holy penguin pee? no01:58
maxamillionok ... i'm off work ... bbl01:59
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rmd_so if i wanted to use the compositor, i'd have to compile xfwm4 on my own?02:00
krash123i have installed linux-image-2..-generic,, should i install linux-image-686 ?02:01
krash123RandomDestructn, can you help me there ?02:02
rmd_krash123, if you can boot, why do you want to install another image?02:03
krash123oh ok02:03
RandomDestructnthere will be a tiny improvement maybe02:03
goppstill input and out put error02:03
RandomDestructnI wouldnt bother02:03
RandomDestructnrandom@workstatiuntoo:~$ uname -r02:03
RandomDestructnI dont bother anyway02:03
krash123so, with linux-image-generic, i should isntall   linux-restricted-modules-generic ,. right ?02:04
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RandomDestructnId say so02:04
RandomDestructnits pretty hard to mess up with apt-get02:04
goppgrazie know I am getting malloc failed02:04
krash123but its already installed.. :S02:04
RandomDestructnthe only thing that sucks about apt get is the damn long command line02:04
RandomDestructnsudo apt get install something02:04
RandomDestructnway too many words02:04
RandomDestructnin mandriva you just urpmi something02:05
krash123but im following the guide02:05
krash123its with synaptic..02:05
RandomDestructnoh, yeah whatev02:05
RandomDestructnsame thing02:05
goppuknow or corrupt filesystem02:05
graziegopp: that's a different error to before...how much text is output? ...have you got a digital camera?02:05
RandomDestructnwait, krash of course its already installed02:06
goppnope sorry02:06
RandomDestructnyou had the driver in, but didnt have xorg.conf set up02:06
RandomDestructnif you changed the xorg.conf setting, then youre golden02:06
Str8are there any xubuntu pros out there willing to answer a few questions for a noob?02:06
RandomDestructnStr8, give 'er02:06
krash123so , i dont have to install anything ?02:06
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krash123just change that ?02:06
RandomDestructnkrash123, you already did, no?02:06
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Str8I just installed linux for the first time yesterday...02:06
graziegopp: how much text is output?02:06
RandomDestructnyeah, and if it breaks X, then change it back02:06
krash123i didnt install anything02:06
RandomDestructnyou do know how to do that from command line, yes?02:06
Str8but i'm kind of of confused.02:06
RandomDestructnyou did earlier02:06
Str8I installed XFCE?02:07
krash123i did change the xorg.backup for the actual one..02:07
krash123twice :S02:07
Str8is this the distro or is xubuntu the distro?02:07
RandomDestructnxubuntu is the distro02:07
Str8i have it up and running, i'm able surf the web...02:07
RandomDestructnxfce is the desktop environment02:07
Str8oh i c...02:07
Str8so xubuntu can run other desktop environments?02:08
RandomDestructnbut the only diff between ubuntu and xubuntu is the fact xubuntu has xfce instead of gnome02:08
krash123random, shall i install something or not ?02:08
RandomDestructnand kubuntu has KDE02:08
Eagle_101how I'm not there my self :D02:08
Str8I installed it on a laptop that is about 3 years old...02:08
RandomDestructnkrash123, privmsg :P02:08
Str8not ready to install on my desktop because i want to get to know linux a little more02:08
Str8so i just upgraded firefox through the syn app or something like that..02:09
Str8but i want to now install a media player...02:09
Str8however, i don't know if i need to install a new media player or install codecs on xfmedia...02:10
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Str8thanks for answering my questions randomdestruction..02:10
RandomDestructnthat was it?02:10
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RandomDestructnyeah, definitely try other desktop environments when you have time02:11
RandomDestructnI think xfce is the best, but a lot of ppl like KDE/Gnome02:11
Malay_LinuxI am using Kopete at Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft02:11
Str8yeah the reason i chose xfce was because the laptop is kinda slow....02:11
RandomDestructnStr8, if you dont care about looks there are some even more light weight solutions02:11
RandomDestructnbut xfce is the lightest 'complete' environment I've found02:12
Str8i want speed...02:12
Str8mainly i just use the laptop i installed xubuntu for internet, and music player...02:12
krash123so xface its ok for that02:12
krash123even more speed you want ? :S02:13
Str8i had xp installed on it and it was suicidal slow....02:13
RandomDestructnStr8, http://flwm.sourceforge.net/02:13
RandomDestructntheres a sample of one of the lightweight options02:13
RandomDestructntheres a screenie02:13
Eagle_101Str8 XP is slow on my computer as well :P02:13
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krash123random can u answer the pvmsg please ? :D02:14
Str8i want install linux on my desktop, but i want to be able to still play games...02:14
Str8thanks for answering my noob questions guys...i appreciate the help02:14
RandomDestructnkrash123, I got nothing02:15
krash123ill copy it to here02:15
RandomDestructnthe server must block queries or something02:15
krash123now ?02:15
RandomDestructnive sent some garbage to you to02:16
Eagle_101I'm not seeing anything either02:16
Eagle_101if you are putting it in channel02:16
krash123yea lol02:16
krash123no not in the chanel02:16
krash123well there it goes by here02:16
krash123(22:09:01) krash: i just installed xubuntu again02:17
krash123(22:09:06) krash: so its CLEAN02:17
krash123(22:09:36) krash: i didnt put nothing after the installation, except02:17
krash123(22:09:36) krash: apt-get update02:17
krash123(22:09:36) krash: apt-get dist-upgrade..02:17
krash123(22:09:39) krash: just that..02:17
krash123(22:11:32) krash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia - i should follow this guide then changing my xorg.conf or change it now ?02:17
krash123that's it02:17
RandomDestructnfollow the guide02:17
RandomDestructnand it should be fine02:17
RandomDestructnI thought ud already installed them, in which case youd only have to edit the files02:18
krash123but the packages are already installed -.-02:18
RandomDestructnthen skip to the next step02:18
Str8hey random, is flwm a desktop environment?02:18
RandomDestructnwhatever that may be02:18
RandomDestructnStr8, its a window manager02:18
RandomDestructnso it doesnt have all of niceties02:18
RandomDestructnlike fancy configuration panels, pagers, etc02:18
Str8o i c...02:18
RandomDestructnStr8, whats with the name? please say razor :)02:19
krash123https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia - i should jump step 6 right ?02:19
Str8so can i go to that website http://flwm.sourceforge.net/, to install flwm...02:19
Str8str8 ridah...02:19
Str8it's from a song....02:19
RandomDestructnStr8, I'd look around at other options rather than just trying the first I mention02:20
krash123tupac ?02:20
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RandomDestructnbut either way you could add whatever you choose with synaptic.. maybe?02:20
rmd_well, i enabled the compositor, and xfce4-terminal still just shows the background image, rather than the window beneath02:20
RandomDestructndunno what other WMs are in ubuntus packages02:20
Str8dang i didn't know any computer guys listened to tupac...02:20
RandomDestructnrandom@workstatiuntoo:~$ sch flwm02:20
RandomDestructnflwm - Fast Light Window Manager02:20
krash123im not a computer guy i think xD02:20
RandomDestructnI listen to tupac02:20
krash123we're 3 then lol02:20
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RandomDestructnwe just don't always admit to it.02:21
RandomDestructndidnt you see office space?02:21
RandomDestructnall nerdy lame guys listen to the gangsta beats02:21
str8_ridahthat is too funny...02:21
krash123 i didnt )=02:21
RandomDestructnwatch that shit.02:21
RandomDestructnright now02:21
str8_ridahthat movie was the bomb...02:21
RandomDestructnI dont care what you have to do02:21
str8_ridahhell yeah...you've got to watch that movie...02:22
rmd_anybody got a fix?02:22
RandomDestructnstr8_ridah, I have the soundtrack too02:22
krash123random , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia , should i jump the step 6 ?02:22
krash123install and... Step 6..02:22
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str8_ridahhey the soundtrack bumps...02:22
RandomDestructnlooks like it02:23
krash123should i jump it  ?02:23
RandomDestructnyeah just go to 602:23
RandomDestructndont worry man you wont break it02:23
RandomDestructnand if you do, youll learn a lot02:23
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krash123but i dont use Hoary Hedgehog or Breezy Badger02:24
krash123so dont install those things..02:24
goppgrazie not much text02:24
str8_ridahso can XFmedia play mp3's?   or do i need to install codecs?02:24
RandomDestructnkrash123, I cant help too much as ive never done it that way02:24
j1mcstr8_ridah, yeah02:24
j1mcyou would need the codecs, but it should be able to do it.02:25
krash123downloading packages02:25
RandomDestructnmy way is download the bin, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, sudo ./nvidia-whatever, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> change nv to nvidia, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start02:25
str8_ridahhow? sorry if this seems stupid, but i have my mp3's on a flash drive but xfmedia won't play them?02:25
RandomDestructnstr8_ridah, amarok ftw02:25
krash123128k WIP (instead of RIP , WAIT in peace)02:25
graziegopp: I can't really help unless I can see exactly what's output on booting02:25
str8_ridahis amarok an audio codec or is it a media player?02:26
RandomDestructnsudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui02:26
RandomDestructnshould do it for the restricted formats02:26
str8_ridahok let me try that...02:26
RandomDestructnyou need to have the right repos added tho02:26
krash123short line ! lol02:26
j1mcstr8_ridah, will need the additional repositories added to install those files, though.02:26
j1mcRandomDestructn, yeah . . . :)02:26
graziegopp: it may help to pastebin /var/log/dmesg (on the 160g drive)02:27
RandomDestructnhave tu uncomment universe and multiverse first02:27
RandomDestructnagh I need to go make dinner or study or something02:27
RandomDestructnyou guys take too much time :)02:27
krash123nah, u need to help on the irc (?)02:27
RandomDestructnwill it make me better at set theory?02:28
str8_ridahthanks for your help randomdestruction...02:28
RandomDestructnI think I'll idle here for a few days, maybe stay02:28
RandomDestructnyou guys don't seem like idiots, and the channel is quiet.02:28
RandomDestructnI like that.02:28
RandomDestructnmost ppl on irc are teh suck02:28
RandomDestructnanyway I'm out02:28
krash123thanks :D02:29
graziegopp: also pastbin the output of blkid02:29
graziegopp: and /etc/fstab02:29
rmd_okay, so what i figured out is that the compositor will show windows under transparent windows, but will not show them on windows using a "transparent background"02:31
rmd_for xfce4, that is02:31
rmd_and it's bugging me02:31
krash123can't help you mate )=02:31
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rmd_although, i have to say that the option to only transparify inactive windows has already increased my productivity 100000%02:32
rmd_because, well, i don't always want to have my windows maximized.  they don't always display information effectively in that mode02:33
rmd_but when everything has the same amount of focus, i'm easily distracted :)02:33
krash123here u have a sweet transparent console02:34
str8_ridah-jlmc, what did you mean that i would need the additional repositories? to install those files?02:35
T`oww how do you get that type of console?02:35
rmd_neither of those links work for me02:35
krash123those repositories dont come with xubuntu str802:35
krash123you have to download em02:35
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str8_ridahmy bad if i sound like a total noob...02:36
BFTDI'm talking to someone who's having problems with the terminal not accepting commands02:36
krash123mm.. its like """exe""" files,02:36
BFTDwhat might it be02:36
krash123dont know BFTD :S02:36
R[a] ndomrepositories != exe files02:36
R[a] ndomrepositories = collections of files that you can install02:37
krash123random :O02:37
str8_ridahman i just wasted 5 minutes typing in some command crash gave me...02:37
R[a] ndomsoup is cooking02:37
krash123i said it will be lik """exe """02:37
krash123not exe02:37
R[a] ndomits kind of like a setup.exe02:37
krash123str8 he told you...02:37
R[a] ndomaagjkah02:37
R[a] ndomno its not02:37
R[a] ndomlol02:37
R[a] ndomrepositores are collections of programs :)02:37
str8_ridahso i know the codecs i need aren't licensed hence where i get them will be secret...02:38
krash123so driver should be installed now..02:38
krash123i have to change xorg.conf now02:38
str8_ridahok i see guys..02:38
krash123right ?02:38
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R[a] ndomoh str8_ridah still working ont eh codecs?02:38
R[a] ndomhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats02:38
R[a] ndomtheres a howto02:38
str8_ridahok thanks...02:38
R[a] ndomkrash123, yeah02:39
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str8_ridahi'm surprised how well it runs on my first try...02:39
rmd_okay, so link me to these terminals again?02:39
R[a] ndomrmd you just want a borderless terminal on your desktop?02:40
R[a] ndomoh.02:41
rmd_i was looking for a truly transparent background02:41
R[a] ndomthe first link he posted wasnt that02:41
rmd_but xfce4-terminal just displays the background image in various position02:41
R[a] ndomlemme check the 2nd02:41
krash123random, i must change "nv" to "nvidia" right ?02:41
R[a] ndomyep02:41
krash123or "nvidia-glx" ?02:42
R[a] ndomnvidia02:42
krash123now restart x :O02:42
R[a] ndomrmd_, almost all programs do it that way unless you get a compositing manager02:42
R[a] ndomits just way too slow to do it any other way02:42
R[a] ndomlike reeeaally slow02:42
rmd_i've got the compositor running02:42
rmd_right now02:42
R[a] ndomoh.02:42
R[a] ndomI see where we are02:42
rmd_actively using it02:42
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rmd_and it works for the windows that are transparentized because they are inactive02:42
rmd_but xfce4-terminal and xchat both have transparent background options that do not work this way02:43
R[a] ndomgoogle gave this: http://xfce-diary.blogspot.com/2006/03/transparent-terminal-hack.html02:43
R[a] ndomany help?02:43
R[a] ndomI'm off to finish making dinner02:43
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krash123yessssss :D:D02:45
krash123workss :D:D02:45
krash123now beryl :O02:45
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krash123random, u there ?02:51
rmd_<R[a] ndom> any help?02:52
rmd_<R[a] ndom> I'm off to finish making dinner02:52
krash123thnx :D02:52
R[a] ndom eating now02:53
R[a] ndomand watching tv on the other monitor02:53
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krash123there ?02:57
R[a] ndomphone, but give er02:58
krash123i lost a great guide i found for beryl.. shit.02:58
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects02:59
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ubotuxubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels02:59
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots03:00
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about shit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:07
R[a] ndomreminds me of back in the day03:07
R[a] ndomwith crappy mirc bots03:08
R[a] ndomwe'd do a !$crlf quit pwned03:08
krash123im using gaim :P03:08
R[a] ndompretty easy to guess what that would do :P03:08
krash123look that sweet console03:08
R[a] ndomwtf?03:09
R[a] ndomoh youre crash03:09
R[a] ndomyou want one like that?03:09
R[a] ndomI use eterm with these options03:09
R[a] ndomkstart --skiptaskbar --skippager --alldesktops --onbottom Eterm -x -O --buttonbar no --scrollbar no --no-cursor  --geometry 51x25+2885+800 -f white -b white  --font-fx none --shade 3003:09
krash123where do you put that options ?03:10
R[a] ndomif you try to use it, note the geometry, as I doubt your monitor is as big as mine :)03:10
R[a] ndomcommand line03:10
R[a] ndomyoull need kstart and Eterm installed03:10
krash123u have msn ?03:10
R[a] ndomI made a bash script with only that in it, and called it transeterm03:10
R[a] ndomiwishiwasntstuck@hotmail.com03:10
krash123mine's kevpf@hot.. ill add u :)03:11
krash123accept me  lol03:11
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R[a] ndomadded03:13
krash123yea i see03:13
krash123im downloading .debs )=03:13
krash123one step closer to beryl ! lol03:13
R[a] ndomwhat?03:14
R[a] ndomwhy are you downloading debs?03:14
R[a] ndomtheres a repo for that03:14
R[a] ndom#beryl SVN03:14
R[a] ndomdeb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn03:14
R[a] ndomdeb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn03:14
krash123im on that guide :P03:14
R[a] ndomok ignroe me then03:14
krash123there's a03:16
krash123Load "vbe" ..03:16
krash123i must have a03:16
krash123Load "dbe"03:16
krash123i should change the one i have or add a new one ?03:16
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ST47Hi guys03:23
krash123descargando beryl.....03:23
krash123downloading beryl... *03:23
ST47I have a friend who just installed ubuntu03:23
krash123congrats :D03:23
ST47and when he boots, the screen goes all wreid03:24
krash123maybe u should go to #ubuntu03:24
krash123here's #Xubuntu03:24
krash123plus, looks that there's no one else here03:24
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Eagle_101just I don't know enough to help :(03:25
R[a] ndomI just can't be assed ;)03:26
SharnHello peeps03:26
krash123shit .. my conexion sucks lol03:28
Eagle_101ok, I've got a question if I may, I've got to make a partition, and I've seen on the internet several ways to do it, is there anything in ubuntu that will do it right (auto or near automatically). Though I'm prepared to do this manually if not.03:29
R[a] ndomis there free space on the drive, or a partition you can nuke?03:29
R[a] ndomor do you have to resize?03:29
R[a] ndomthen I can help you no further :)03:29
Eagle_101I've done cleanup, doing the defrag now03:29
R[a] ndomin windows, I've used partition magic with success03:30
R[a] ndomin linux I've never dared03:30
Eagle_101ok, and is partition magic free?03:30
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R[a] ndomnot legally03:30
krash123hey random03:31
R[a] ndomid probably just go with the best sounding guide03:31
Eagle_101figures, I can do it manually then using a free app... though I think this makes it really hard to get new users to try linux :P (as they likely have one HD with windows on it)03:31
krash123i must install like this for beryl right ?03:31
krash123sudo apt-get install beryl emerald emerald-themes ..03:31
R[a] ndomnot if you downloaded debs03:32
R[a] ndomthat would download em from the repos03:32
krash123i didnt03:32
krash123i confused03:32
R[a] ndomthen yeah, never be afraid to apt-get stuff03:32
R[a] ndomjust give'er03:32
krash123but i should install emerald-themes AND emerald ?03:32
R[a] ndomeverything, just give'er03:32
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Eagle_101R[a] ndom to clarify, I have exactly one partition. I should be making at least one more, 2 if I want a swap partition.03:34
grazieEagle_101: use gparted on the unstall cd...it loads better than partition tragic03:34
R[a] ndomoh partition tragic03:34
R[a] ndomgenius03:34
ST47 from grub, I need a command prompt...03:34
R[a] ndomEagle_101, do what he said03:35
grazieinstall...live cd03:35
R[a] ndomand you do want a swap partition03:35
Eagle_101oh duh :P03:35
Eagle_101grazie its easy enough to figure out then and there, or is there a good link or two I should read before hand?03:35
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R[a] ndomEagle_101, you can load firefox in the live cd03:36
Eagle_101R[a] ndom I have done that before ;)03:36
Eagle_101I've been in here from the live CD :D03:36
R[a] ndomjust making sure you knew that it all worked03:36
R[a] ndomheh03:36
krash123me too lol03:36
Eagle_101R[a] ndom no worries :D03:36
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Eagle_101I try to read as much as I can03:36
R[a] ndomI hate how it lists hdds when youre choosing which one to format03:36
R[a] ndomI was having problems installing, and redid that step like 20 times03:37
krash123worksssssss :D:D03:37
Eagle_101but when it starts to conflict I get confused, as I'm still too new to this stuff03:37
R[a] ndomthen one time it listed the drives in a difft order03:37
R[a] ndomand i formatted my data drive03:37
R[a] ndomI wasnt happy03:37
grazieEagle_101: launch gparted.. have a look round...I think you'll find it quite easy....you should always back up important data before messing with partitions though03:37
R[a] ndom300gbs :)03:37
Eagle_101grazie yeah I've gathered as much from the random blogs/docs/wikis laying around03:38
Eagle_101about the backing up :D03:38
Eagle_101and how many partitions should I be making?03:38
Eagle_101should I make a home partition?03:38
grazieEagle_101: the easiest way is to make as much free space as you' think you'll need.03:41
grazieEagle_101: I'd say 5G was a reasonable minumum03:41
R[a] ndom5g?03:41
R[a] ndomif you dont want to store anything in linux03:41
Eagle_101oh I plan to put up to about 10-15G03:41
R[a] ndomthats a better plan :)03:42
grazieEagle_101: and let the installer doing anything for you03:42
Eagle_101I've only got 40G total :P03:42
R[a] ndom3 dirs, root, swap, and home dirs03:42
R[a] ndomthe installer should guess some good sizes03:42
Eagle_101ok, how do I do the home dir, or is there a decent link?03:42
R[a] ndomwhen youre doing it youll have to pick mount points03:42
R[a] ndomso one will be /03:42
R[a] ndomthe other will be /home/03:42
grazieEagle_101: it doesn't give the best config but it'll make life easy03:42
Eagle_101grazie yeah but I want a decent config ;)03:43
Eagle_101grazie I'm no stranger to computers03:43
Eagle_101I've done some programming in C++ on windows03:43
grazieEagle_101: how much space can you use for linux (not data)03:43
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R[a] ndommy root is 7gbs, my swap is 2gb03:44
Eagle_101heh I don't have that much space ;) I've got 40 Gb, 15 being used by windows and data03:44
R[a] ndomI wasnt suggesting you did03:44
Eagle_101so I'm thinking somewhere in the range of 10-18 GB total space03:44
R[a] ndomjust sharing :)03:44
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Eagle_101R[a] ndom ;)03:45
R[a] ndomwe arent in the same boat03:45
Eagle_101I wish :(03:45
R[a] ndomI have over 1tb in this box03:45
R[a] ndomgive er krash12403:45
Eagle_101how much that cost you?03:45
R[a] ndomjust bought my new 500 for $200 cdn03:45
R[a] ndomthen I have 2 300s03:45
R[a] ndomthey go for about $100cdn now03:45
Eagle_101that cheep?03:45
R[a] ndomyeah03:45
R[a] ndomyou can get 500s for less03:46
R[a] ndom$170 now I think03:46
R[a] ndomthen I have 160gb in my xbox03:46
R[a] ndomand another 300gbs in my media server03:46
R[a] ndomI'm a bit of a media whore if you didnt notice03:46
Eagle_101grazie so the /home/ dir needs to be about how big?03:46
R[a] ndomthatll only be data03:46
R[a] ndomso as big as your data needs to be03:47
R[a] ndomall programs go in /03:47
grazieEagle_101: For *Ubuntu with 10G I'd make an 7/8G root, 512M swap and 1.5/2.5G /home.03:47
grazieEagle_101: I'd then make as big as possible ext3 data partition to share03:48
Eagle_101you mean with windows?03:48
Eagle_101that makes sene03:48
R[a] ndomwhy not share /home?03:48
Eagle_101so I have 5 partitions?03:48
SharnDon't do ext3 for sharing with Windows03:49
R[a] ndomand if its 7/8g, I'd say 7, as thats what I have and I still have 1.2gbs free03:49
Eagle_101FAT32 right?03:49
R[a] ndomyeah03:49
SharnErm. DO NOT. Go ext203:49
R[a] ndomSharn, why? you can mount ext3 FS as ext203:49
grazieSharn: and your reasons?03:49
SharnWhen I used that to mount an ext3 partition, it completely crashed linux.03:50
SharnMade it 100% unbootable.03:50
R[a] ndomso don't use that program03:50
Sharnext2 works fine03:50
R[a] ndomapparently its broken03:50
R[a] ndomcause ext3 is backwards compatible with ext203:50
SharnIt's not broken.03:50
R[a] ndom?03:50
R[a] ndomyou just told us it was03:50
SharnThat's fine, ext2 is not forward compatable with ext3. That driver is made for ext2, is there one made for ext3?03:51
R[a] ndomread the page you sent me03:51
R[a] ndomhttp://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html#acc_ext303:51
R[a] ndomDoes the Ext2 driver access Ext3 volumes, too?03:51
R[a] ndomThe Ext3 file system is the Ext2 file system which has been extended by journaling.03:51
grazieyes ext2 (without journing) is still far better than fat3203:51
R[a] ndomit says right on the front page that it works03:51
SharnI know that, that's why I tried it.03:51
Eagle_101Ok, so I make 4 new partitions a '/', '/home/','/swap/',?,?03:52
SharnIt enver unmounted the ext3 partition correctly, so the journaling got messed up and linux would not boot.03:52
R[a] ndomso youre telling me its supposed to work, but it doesnt, and it isnt broken03:52
grazieEagle_101: worry about the ?.? later03:52
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R[a] ndomEagle_101, nah I'd just do 303:52
R[a] ndomand share /home03:52
R[a] ndomand make home ext2/303:52
SharnEagle_101, that's what I have, minus the ?,?.03:52
R[a] ndomI would, sharn says no03:53
SharnYou can try ext3, but it did not work for me.03:53
R[a] ndomit worked fine for me03:53
R[a] ndomuntil i installed vista and broke the driver03:53
Eagle_101ok, whats the difference?03:53
R[a] ndomext3 is ext2 but with a 'journal' that keeps track of what is being written03:53
R[a] ndomgo wikipedia it if you really care03:53
R[a] ndombut basically ext3 can handle a crash better03:53
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Eagle_101thanks :D03:54
SharnWell, ok. I've had no problems with ext2 as /home/ anyhow. / is still as ext3.03:54
Eagle_101and what is the swap?03:54
R[a] ndomits its own FS03:54
R[a] ndomtheres nothing for you to mess with there :)03:54
Eagle_101I will try this as soon as I finsih defragging my system using a 3rd party defragger03:55
grazieEagle_101: if you think you might try lots of distros is well worth having a 50/100M /boot too03:55
SharnWhat Windows are you dual booting with?03:55
Eagle_101I know all about that darned defrag that comes with that sucker03:56
SharnAh, XP's included defragger should work fine, just so you know.03:56
R[a] ndomkrash124 = dead?03:56
Eagle_101I've read all about issues with it :S03:56
SharnAnything pre-XP had horrible ones, but XP used a different companies defragger.03:56
SharnBut hey, go ahead.03:56
krash124oh nothing :D03:58
R[a] ndomkrash124, you have wobbly windows yet?03:58
Eagle_101grazie thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'm ok with jut the one.03:58
Eagle_101I just want a decent distro that I can program on03:58
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SharnMostly love the package management. Beats everything else I've tried.03:59
R[a] ndomIt beats a lot that I've tried03:59
R[a] ndomI'd say mandriva is tied03:59
R[a] ndomas of 10.003:59
R[a] ndomhavent used it as of late03:59
Eagle_101R[a] ndom mandriva still use lilo?03:59
R[a] ndomyep03:59
R[a] ndomit did when i used it anyway03:59
R[a] ndomnice graphical boot screen :)04:00
Eagle_101friend of mine crashed his computer using that04:00
R[a] ndomworked great for me04:00
SharnMandriva went commercial though. Or are you talking the free version?04:00
SharnMandrake was the first Linux distro I DLed, but I had no diea how to burn the isos then. (probably 2 years ago)04:01
R[a] ndomfree ver04:02
R[a] ndomI hated their marketing shit, and how they put a giant FREE across the background04:03
R[a] ndombut it worked04:03
R[a] ndomand was easy for noobs04:03
R[a] ndomway easier than ubuntu IMO04:03
Eagle_101mmm what made it easier?04:03
R[a] ndomthe control panel, mp3 support out of the box04:03
R[a] ndomhuge repositories04:03
Eagle_101ah :D04:03
R[a] ndomxgl automatically installed in newer versions04:04
SharnMeh. that's what Automatix is for. :)04:04
R[a] ndombut it did it without breaking shit like automatix does04:04
R[a] ndomand it was supported04:04
R[a] ndomunlike automatix04:04
Eagle_101me, I want to actually learn a bit about this :P04:04
SharnAutomatix has never broken anything for me.04:04
R[a] ndomSharn, wait to do a couple dist-upgrades04:04
R[a] ndomand see if it all still works04:04
SharnDist upgrades up grade to new releases, rgiht?04:05
SharnIf so, don't worry about that. Those don't work anyhow.04:05
R[a] ndom...04:06
SharnI don't plan on using dist-upgrade.04:06
R[a] ndom1. yeah they do, but edgy was fscked up04:06
R[a] ndom2. theres something else that went well in driva04:06
R[a] ndomnot that im saying i dont love ubuntu by ant stretch :)04:06
SharnThat's one of the reasons I seperated /home from /. I can mostly erase / and reinstall the newest version.04:07
Eagle_101so how hard is it to unintall and re-install04:07
R[a] ndomEagle_101, super easy04:07
Eagle_101Sharn thats why I asked about /home :P04:07
R[a] ndombut youll lose all configuration outside of your home dir04:07
Eagle_101R[a] ndom ok04:07
R[a] ndomxorg.conf and such04:08
SharnYeah, I know. =\04:08
R[a] ndombut you should very rarely have to do it04:08
SharnUgh. xorg.conf needs to die anyhow. >.<04:08
R[a] ndom?04:08
R[a] ndomI like seeing stuff on both screens04:08
R[a] ndomI'll keep mine04:08
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SharnRofl. It's mostly my sad integrated ati card.04:09
SharnI finally got Envy to get accelerated 3d going, but Beryl still won't run right.04:09
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Eagle_101ok I will be back on in linux shortly04:38
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Eagle_101Ok, I'm trying the partitions now04:54
R[a] ndomhell of a storm here04:54
R[a] ndomwent to take a piss, and the water was moving around in the toilet04:55
R[a] ndomnever seen that happen before04:55
R[a] ndomnot a lot, but still04:55
R[a] ndom3rd storey in a 100 year old house tho :)04:55
Eagle_101R[a] ndom:  I've got something odd... I have a 7,84 GB "unallocated" area on my hard disk that I did not know about (using gparted)04:55
R[a] ndombonus?04:56
Eagle_101dunno, have you ever seen something like that?04:56
SharnRofl. ^++04:56
R[a] ndomyeah04:56
R[a] ndombut I'd check with another tool04:56
R[a] ndommake sure its real04:56
Eagle_101whats another tool?04:56
SharnUnless you need it, don't worry about it. :P04:56
SharnI wouldn't wory about it*04:57
=== Eagle_101 would lover an extra 7 GB :P
SharnHow much total?04:57
Eagle_101well I was planning on 14 GB, but If I have an extra 7, I would do 20 :D04:57
R[a] ndomI'd certainly worry about it04:57
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R[a] ndomyou know how big the drive is physically?04:57
R[a] ndomyeah really 7gb is a couple movies. heh04:58
SharnBut yeah, 7Gb is a huge bonus on 14Gb04:58
Eagle_101R[a] ndom: no not really, as this computer is a gift04:58
R[a] ndomis it a dell?04:58
R[a] ndomor hp04:58
R[a] ndomor something like that?04:58
Eagle_101its a compaq04:58
R[a] ndomthats something like that04:59
R[a] ndomsome of the manufactorers hae a hidden partition04:59
R[a] ndomthat has recovery data04:59
R[a] ndomthis sounds a bit too big04:59
SharnAs in a gift you're getting or giving? Easiest would be to physically check it and see if it's supposed to be 20gb04:59
Eagle_101ah righto04:59
R[a] ndombut maybe something like that?04:59
R[a] ndomeither way, I'd say use it.. but I'd make another partition program tell me it exists first04:59
Eagle_101well this is 7.85 GB04:59
R[a] ndomand it isnt just gparted being nutty04:59
Eagle_101yeah, we have a second program I can check?04:59
SharnAnd yeah, as R[a] ndom said, a few companys give you a hidden partition with restore files instead of giving you a CD. Go figure.05:00
Eagle_101oh I got CD05:00
Eagle_101recovery CD05:00
SharnThey still may have... how old is it?05:00
R[a] ndomEagle_101, windows would tell you05:00
Eagle_101R[a] ndom: well I'm not sure, windows always reported 37.2505:01
R[a] ndomyoud have to launch the partition manager05:01
Eagle_101this is 7 in addition05:01
R[a] ndomadministrative tools or something like that05:01
Eagle_101any way to double check from linux?05:01
R[a] ndomfdisk05:02
R[a] ndomassuming gparted doesnt use fdisk05:02
R[a] ndomassuming its the first hard drive05:02
R[a] ndomfdisk /dev/hda05:02
R[a] ndomp05:02
R[a] ndomwill print out the partitions05:02
R[a] ndomq to exit05:02
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R[a] ndomneed to be root for it to work05:02
Eagle_101I'm root05:03
R[a] ndomthen that should work05:03
Eagle_101The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4862.05:05
R[a] ndomwhy weird?05:05
Eagle_101There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,05:05
Eagle_101and could in certain setups cause problems with:05:05
Eagle_1011) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)05:05
Eagle_1012) booting and partitioning software from other OSs05:05
Eagle_101   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)05:05
Eagle_101no size count05:05
R[a] ndomThe number of cylinders for this disk is set to 36483.05:05
R[a] ndomThere is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,05:05
R[a] ndomand could in certain setups cause problems with:05:05
R[a] ndomnormal05:05
R[a] ndomwe dont care about size so much05:05
R[a] ndomis there an empty chunk like gparted said?05:06
Eagle_101thats all I got05:06
R[a] ndomtype p05:06
R[a] ndomthen hit enter05:06
R[a] ndomnow tell me :)05:06
R[a] ndom..?05:07
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Eagle_101its got to be it being wierd05:08
Eagle_101./dev/hda1   *           1        4863    39062016    7  HPFS/NTFS05:08
Eagle_101by sudo fdisk -l05:08
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Eagle_101oh dear05:09
Eagle_101typing in p05:09
Eagle_101and I don't even get a correct table05:09
R[a] ndomoh noez?05:10
Eagle_101somewhere I can paste to?05:10
Eagle_101I'd rather not flood05:10
Eagle_101its in the title >.>05:10
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SharnYeah,t hat.05:12
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Eagle_101ok, so is gparted being full of crap?05:12
Eagle_101and thanks Sharn05:13
SharnI'm looking, but I doubt I'll know what I'm looking for.05:14
R[a] ndomwow05:14
R[a] ndomdont do anything man05:14
R[a] ndomthats not a good sign05:14
R[a] ndomPartition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.05:14
R[a] ndomthat doesnt fill me with confidence05:14
Eagle_101nor me05:14
R[a] ndomboot into windows and see what it thinks about the partitions05:14
Eagle_101so am I screwed here?05:15
Eagle_101ok, I will be back soon... I hope...05:15
R[a] ndomheh as long as you didnt save any changes ;)05:15
Eagle_101I did not save anything on this session :D05:15
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j1mci've added the proper repositories, but adobe "acroread" isn't available in feisty.05:27
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Eagle_101ok I'm back R[a] ndom05:32
Eagle_101windows on load went into a huge fit with checking disk integrity05:32
Eagle_101now whats the windows partition app?05:33
R[a] ndomcontrol panel05:33
R[a] ndomuh.. administration tools or something?05:33
R[a] ndomI havent used windows in years05:33
R[a] ndomtheres an admin panel that its in tho05:34
Eagle_101R[a] ndom yeah I know bad place to ask :P05:34
jdrakeAdministration Tools, and Computer Management05:34
R[a] ndomblamo05:34
jdrakeThere is a disk manager in there.05:34
R[a] ndomlook how close I was05:34
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Eagle_101thanks I'm really thankful for R[a] ndom's catch05:35
R[a] ndomI wouldnt want anyone to go through the 5 stages of data loss05:35
R[a] ndomit was particularily painful for me05:35
R[a] ndomas I had an mp3 collection I'd been workin on since the late 90s on that drive that I lost05:35
R[a] ndom10 years worth of collection and sorting, gone in a flurry of formatted sectors05:36
jdrakeI wish I could have that happen. I would save lots of disk space.05:36
R[a] ndomjdrake, I got 300gbs free that evening05:36
R[a] ndomthat was less than 6 months ago05:36
R[a] ndomsince then IVe added another 500gb05:36
R[a] ndomand im full again :)05:36
R[a] ndomI blame it on private torrent sites05:36
jdrakeOnce I decided to remove all of my movies/episodes, I now always have lots of space.05:36
R[a] ndomI had never heard of them before a few months ago05:37
Eagle_101ok this is what I got from windows05:37
jdrakeIn fact I have been working on reducing my 18gb collection to its current 14gb.05:37
Eagle_101I'm manually typing this... as there is no easy copy paste05:37
jdrakeI have a 250gb taking part in a 120gb raid1 for some extra redundancy.05:37
R[a] ndomI wonder how big my tv dir is05:37
Eagle_101Disk 0 || 37.25 GB || Online05:37
R[a] ndom256.7gbs05:37
R[a] ndomheh05:37
Eagle_101C: || 37.25 GB NTFS || Healthy (System) << like we did not know it was a system but yeah...05:38
jdrakeR[a] ndom: I take the viewpoint that if something wasn't important enough to backup, then you don't really need it.05:38
Eagle_101Fault Tolerance || No05:38
R[a] ndomjdrake, I took the viewpoint that its hard to backup a moving target of 120gbs of data on tiny 4gb disks05:39
jdrakeR[a] ndom: Harddrives are cheap05:39
R[a] ndomno they arent05:39
Eagle_101its laid out as a partition05:39
Eagle_101and thats all the info windows is spitting out05:39
R[a] ndomnot for me anyway, I have to buy food with that money05:39
R[a] ndomyeah Eagle_101 thats weird05:39
R[a] ndomso each partition program told you something different then?05:40
R[a] ndomgconf says you have some free space, fdisk says youre fucked, and windows says you have what you thought you had05:40
jdrakeR[a] ndom: I know what that is like. But for the record, $89cdn for 250gb is pretty darn cheap.05:40
R[a] ndomit would be cheap if i had that much spare cash05:40
R[a] ndombut if i had that much spare cash, id put more data on it, as I'm currently full :)05:41
Eagle_101I'm going to run windows error checking05:41
R[a] ndomif I had the money, I'd run raid 5 and buy a couple more disks05:41
jdrakeI actually enjoy having some extra money and not spending it. It is a really nice buffer.05:41
R[a] ndomEagle_101, another possibility is download a boot disk thatll let you see partitions05:41
R[a] ndomtry some more programs :)05:41
Eagle_101like what! :P05:42
R[a] ndomjdrake, yeah I enjoy that as well, but I generally have lots of things I'm looking to get05:42
R[a] ndomi dont waste money on small stuff05:42
R[a] ndombut buy big ticket stuff once a year05:42
R[a] ndomsec eagle05:42
jdrakeR[a] ndom: Are you a good consumer?05:42
R[a] ndomhttp://www.ultimatebootcd.com/  <- see if thats any good, i found it this morning05:42
R[a] ndomuh depends what you mean05:43
R[a] ndomgood for me, or good for the companies05:43
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R[a] ndommy philosophy with purchasing stuff is that if its worth buying, its worth buying a good one05:43
jdrakeDo you enjoy going out and buying things? That is a moderate consumer, a *good* consumer has good amount of debt to feed the consumption....05:43
R[a] ndomI wont buy cheap crap thats going to break in a couple months05:43
R[a] ndomno debt05:43
R[a] ndomI will not spend money I dont have05:44
R[a] ndomand I'll only get something if I'm sure its the absolute best option after research/comparing, etc.05:44
jdrakeI have debt as a student, so I have moderated myself a good bit.05:44
R[a] ndomIm managing to do uni w/o debt, luckily05:44
R[a] ndombut thats why I have no spare cash05:44
rmathewsI've installed Edgy, it doesn't recognize the onboard sound card, is there any way of figuring out what it is?  I have forgotten ... SiS 630 or 730 or something.05:45
jdrakeI do want to look into a better backup solution, right now I operate on the raid1 (2 disk) setup and having rolling backups of my 512mb flash drive that holds all of my school work.05:45
R[a] ndomuse one of those internet storage thingies05:45
R[a] ndomas well anyway05:45
R[a] ndomgood offsite backup anyway05:45
R[a] ndomand raid 5 is the sex.05:46
jdrakeI will probably start separating my flash backups into apps and data. The data would then be small enough that I could keep one or two copies off site.05:46
Eagle_101ok, should I have windows do error checking on the drive?05:46
jdrakeWhat is a good inexpensive card that is true hardware raid5?05:46
R[a] ndomEagle_101, thatll just check windows' partition05:46
R[a] ndomjdrake, dunno, havent set one up05:46
rmathewsif there isn't ... which live cd distro has the largest collection of drivers so I can like atleast figure out what it is. :)05:46
R[a] ndomjust talked to people with some wicked raid5 setups05:46
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R[a] ndomEagle_101, you look at that boot disk I found?05:47
R[a] ndomit looks amazing05:47
Eagle_101R[a] ndom I'm sorry you found something?05:47
R[a] ndom<R[a] ndom> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/  <- see if thats any good, i found it this morning05:47
Eagle_101ah yeah I see now05:47
R[a] ndomit looks like the god of boot disks05:48
R[a] ndomI downloaded it but havent burnt it yet05:48
Eagle_101it does05:49
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R[a] ndomthat part is easy once youre sure your drive wont be wiped by the resize05:49
magic_ninjahey are the new nvidia glx and kernel mods updates working?05:50
R[a] ndomanyway, I have a midterm tomorrow, so I should really go smoke a bowl and try to get some sleep ;)05:50
Eagle_101R[a] ndom I know for sure that the data is at the *front* of the drive05:50
magic_ninjasmoke one for me05:50
R[a] ndomEagle_101, even so, if the partitions are messed up, weird shit can happen05:51
R[a] ndomI'll do my best :P05:51
Eagle_101R[a] ndom I will look for you here tommorrow or this weekend :S05:51
R[a] ndombut you already backed up anyway, right :)05:51
Eagle_101I'm really confued05:51
Eagle_101yeah I did05:51
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R[a] ndomthen you can always just give'er05:51
Eagle_101but I would rather keep windows05:51
Eagle_101and not have to re-install that05:51
R[a] ndomiwishiwasntstuck@hotmail.com <- my msn if you want05:51
Eagle_101sure :D05:51
R[a] ndomI get some perverse joy out of helping noobs05:52
R[a] ndom:)05:52
R[a] ndomthe weird thing is nobody takes me up on it IRL, even ppl struggling w. linux05:52
R[a] ndombut I digress05:52
R[a] ndomI was going away, like the [a]  in my name says I already am.05:52
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Eagle_101well I'm going to let windows repair itself, can't hurt05:57
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ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT06:15
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Eagle_101windows says its all ok :S06:19
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krash123i cant add wine's key -.-06:29
krash123YEAH :D06:29
maxamillionwine's key?06:29
krash123ignore me lol06:30
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krash123im too exited cause i finally have my beryl , so i forget commands xD06:30
krash123i (L) beryl xDD06:30
maxamillionberyl is over rated06:30
krash123i could be all the day rotating the cube lol06:31
maxamillioni will say that until i am blue in the face06:31
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects06:31
krash123why do you think that maxi ?06:31
krash123the only problem i've had with beryl is the blur settings :S06:33
krash123they dont work..06:33
krash123and also06:33
maxamillionkrash123: because i think there are far more important things that need to be worked on in the linux desktop world than 3d eye candy06:33
maxamillionand in general ... i didn't find myself using its features06:34
krash123believe me, if you want more customers , beryl is like a magneto :P06:34
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Eagle_101anyway I'm going to the live cd to see if I'm daring enough to do this >.>06:35
krash123is samba hard to use ?06:35
maxamillionkrash123: in xubuntu? .. i little, but only for now ... it should be easier in feisty06:37
maxamillionkrash123: i don't want customers, i want a desktop operating system that functions like it should (which i think fiesty will be much closer to)06:37
krash123but they aint working for you..06:38
krash123they work for a dream06:38
krash123so, does something on your configuration change when you update ?06:39
krash123or its like a new clean system install ?06:40
maxamillionit stays the way you have it06:40
krash123better that :)06:40
krash123is it possible06:40
krash123to share an internet conexion with my bro ?06:41
krash123(he has win )06:41
krash123and he gives me the conexion..06:41
maxamillionyeah, if he has the connection and gives it to you everything should be fine06:42
maxamillionotherwise you would have to config some stuffs06:42
maxamillioni gotta run06:42
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Eagle_101what was the manual command to see whats in a partition?06:57
Eagle_101ok I've set the partitions, I'm going to leave this in over night and think about this >.>07:07
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Eagle_101what is the difference between creating something as a primary versus a secondary partition?07:26
ubotugparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php07:27
BFTDprimary will be the first, secondary will be the next one07:28
BFTDsome OS's need a primary though07:28
Eagle_101BFTD, so for configuring ubuntu, I want it on primary right?07:31
BFTDEagle_101 if you want, it isn't needed though07:31
BFTDI usually put windows on the primary if I'm dual booting07:32
BFTDbut if not, then Linux should be07:32
Eagle_101right so each computer only has one primary?07:32
Eagle_101I'm trying to configure this now ;)07:32
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Eagle_101Is there a decent something I can read on this before I manage to totally mess my computer up? The stuff I've read has not been ubuntu specific07:35
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joachimheckI got a little question: How to install kile under Xubuntu?11:23
graziejoachimheck: Is it not in the repos?11:25
grazie!kile ! joachimheck11:25
ubotukile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB11:25
joachimheckoh I see, I have to activate the universe packages right?11:25
joachimheckOK, thanks a lot11:26
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xdxhi, where can i put new themes in xubuntu ?01:32
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TheSheepxdx: unpack them to ~/.themes01:35
xdxok, thanks01:36
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gfhfgsIm trying to burn a live Cd01:48
gfhfgsbut what do I burn from the package that i downloaded?01:49
TheSheepgfhfgs: you downloaded an .iso file, right?01:50
j1mcgfhfgs: are you on windows?01:50
gfhfgsits actually a zip file called "ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso"01:54
gfhfgsand im on windoews01:54
TheSheepgfhfgs: it's not a zip file01:54
j1mcwhere did you download the zip file from?01:54
j1mcTheSheep: I agree, it's probably not a zip file, but just looks like it could be unpacked using winzip or something.01:55
TheSheepgfhfgs: in the burning program you need to choose "burn image file" or something like that, and select the .iso file01:55
TheSheepgfhfgs: it's a disk image file01:55
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn01:56
TheSheep!burn | gfhfgs01:56
j1mcgfhfgs: what burning program do you have?01:56
ubotugfhfgs: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto01:56
j1mci get corrupt packages when i do test installs on my thinkpad t22 laptop, but the cd image is confirmed good (md5sum and disk check) from my desktop.  do you think i have a bad dvd drive on my laptop?02:01
TheSheepj1mc: try checking the disk in the laptop02:02
TheSheepj1mc: it might be just dirty02:03
j1mcTheSheep: you mean, just checking to see if the bottom of the CD is dirty?02:03
j1mcor check the lens of the DVD drive?02:03
gfhfgsso the actual iso is in the zip file, right?02:03
j1mcthe cd is clean02:04
j1mcgfhfgs: no, as long as there is no other exention on the file, other than ISO, that _is_the file you need to burn02:04
j1mcexention = extension (sorry)02:04
j1mcmeaning, if it just says blahblah-i386.iso . . . that IS your image that you need to burn.02:05
j1mcdo not unzip it.02:05
TheSheepgfhfgs: no02:05
j1mcgfhfgs: if you unzip it, it won't work.02:05
TheSheepgfhfgs: the actual iso is the file you downloaded02:05
TheSheepj1mc: yeah, I meant the lens02:06
TheSheepj1mc: checking the cd in the laptop should give you a hint02:06
j1mcTheSheep: thanks.02:06
j1mci'll have to try some of that "compressed air in a can" stuff.02:07
gfhfgsokay when i try to burn the disk02:07
gfhfgsi get an error saying that the size of the file is not valid02:07
j1mcgfhfgs: what program are you using to burn the disk?02:07
TheSheepgfhfgs: you need a 700MB cd, not 640MB02:09
j1mcgfhfgs: see here: http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm#BurnCDCC02:09
j1mci've got to get going, all.  gfhfgs . . . good luck!  i'm sure you'll figure it out.  :)02:11
gfhfgsalrighty thank you02:12
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goppwhat the best way to manage samba02:36
goppthe file sharing ulity02:37
goppI added a folder to share, but in windows02:37
goppit keep asking me for a pass I type it but it say wrong02:37
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT02:38
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rmathewshow do I get sound working on Xubuntu Edgy.  I have an old SiS 630/730 motherboard with an on board card.  Not sure what chipset .. think it is 7018 or 7012 .. any ideas?02:46
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rmathews_how do I get sound working on Xubuntu Edgy.  I have an old SiS 630/730 motherboard with an on board card.  Not sure what chipset .. think it is 7018 or 7012 .. any ideas? (was disconnected)02:51
TheSheeprmathews_: if it's not working right out of the box, you might try and search the forums for your sound card model02:52
rmathews_TheSheep: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ ??02:53
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ideogramhow's feisty fawn coming?04:32
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ffxrhi are u able to change the color of the the xfce panels.. or even better use an image instaed?05:01
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Eagle_PCffxr: I think thats themes05:02
Eagle_PCbut I don't know myself05:02
ideogramwhat is the best way to enable my dual monitors on my nvidia card?05:02
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ffxrok Eagle_PC ll have a nose.. there must be some kind of hack somewhere to get it done..05:05
ffxrideogram use the propierotry nvidia drivers from there site.. theyhave an applet that will make that easy..05:05
Eagle_PCffxr: try searching for something under themes05:05
ideogramdo I have to get it from nvidia direct or can I use the restricted repository?05:06
ffxrdirect.. ll get you a link.. u sure u dont have that applet in your system settings already..?05:07
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ffxryeah thanks Eagle_PC05:07
ideogramI am looking at display and desktop preferences ... don't see it05:07
Eagle_PCffxr: did you find it?05:08
ffxrideogram install the drivers as per option2 here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy05:09
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ffxrEagle_PC, no ll have a wonder round google in a bit.... mentioning themes will give me few more ideas for my searches ; s)05:11
Eagle_PCffxr:  from what I understand, you *should* be able to change the defualt05:11
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Eagle_PCffxr: here I found something that might help you http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#how_to_install_new_themes05:59
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ffxrahh right good man.. ll have a look..in a mo..  been moving pc : D06:02
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malnilionAnybody have any idea why I'd have problems with Amarok not being able to "initialize any audio drivers"?06:33
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graziemalnilion: probably 'cos it can't find your audio drivers06:45
graziemalnilion: have you tried another media player?06:45
graziemalnilion: have you had a kernel update recently?06:45
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malniliongrazie, I've been able to use sound in pretty much everything else (though I might be having problems with other qt programs, I'm not sure)06:49
malnilionI've had a kernel update relatively recently06:49
malnilionI also compile my own alsa driver because the vanilla doesn't work with my soundcard.06:49
graziemalnilion: is sound working now with other apps?06:50
malnilionYes, I can open rythmbox and play anything.06:50
grazieno idea then...sorry06:51
malnilionThat's okay :)06:51
malnilionWorse comes to worse I just have to wait a bit to use amaroK06:51
graziedo you not think exaile is better fit for xubuntu?06:52
malnilionI think gnome is still missing a good audio application.  I want to adjust the look of my player for chrissake.06:53
malnilionamaroK isn't much better for configuration, but it is by default closer to what I would like.06:53
malnilion*sigh* I dunno, lots of players are really close to looking the way I would ideally set them up to look, but all slightly fall short.06:58
R[zzzz] ndomyou try different engines for amarok?07:06
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malnilionR[studying] ndom, that'd be possible if I could open amaroK :)07:37
malnilionCurrently amaroK does not open due to not finding audio drivers.07:37
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massctrlHello all, how can I change my keyboard layout in xubuntu?08:06
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globecan anybody help me reinstall the nvidia drivers after dist-upgrade?  the installer is giving me errors08:31
grazieglobe: you've had a kernel upgrade?08:39
BFTDglobe can we see the errors?08:39
globegrazie: yep08:39
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globeum...I can try.  I am stuck in tty mode.  basically what is happening is that X is rejecting the nvidia driver08:40
BFTDso you don't have GUI atm?08:41
globeso, I re-dl it and the installer can't find the linux-sources08:41
globeBFTD...I can get a limpy one using the nv driver08:41
BFTDglobe try this command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"08:41
BFTDsame thing08:41
globeI'd like to get the nvidia binary drivers so I have opengl support08:42
BFTDnvidia-glx allows ogpengl support08:42
BFTDyou jsut have to install a few extra opengl lib's08:42
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globeis it enough to run beryl?08:43
grazieglobe: have you not fetched updated nvidia binaries?08:43
R[studying] ndomthe repo ones are the same as the nvidia ones on the site08:43
BFTDglobe yes it is08:43
globegrazie: it wants to compile the drivers ... I dl from nvidia.com the installer.sh file08:43
globeBFTD: whats the driver for the .conf file? nvidia-glx?08:44
BFTDglobe I'm not sure where the .conf file is, I thought it was just part of xorg.conf08:44
globeyea, thats what I meant.  apt-get nvidia-glx tells me it has unmet dependencies: nvidia-kernel08:45
globe(which, i think, is what the installer is trying to compile)08:46
grazieglobe: not really following...if your kernel has been updated just install updated nvidia driver as you did first time round08:46
BFTDglobe apt-get isn't able to get the kernel source....thats your problem08:47
globeyea, thats what I am trying to do ;-).  Last time I downloaded the nvidia batch file and it installed it and configured x....this time it wants to find the linux kernel sources and cant08:48
BFTDdid you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"08:48
globeBFTD: the linux or nvidia source?08:48
BFTDglobe linux08:48
globethe update succeded, its upgrading now...does that upgrade everything in my sources list?08:50
BFTDglobe yes08:51
globethat'll be nice...apt has been messed up for awhile now.  didn't think the two problems could be related08:51
grazieglobe: very much so :(08:53
globeokay...the upgrade finished, but apt still cant install nvidia-glx (and the nvidia installer also still cant find the linux kernel sources)08:58
BFTDglobe did you enable multiverse and universe in the sources.list?08:59
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globeBFTD: yep...about 6 months ago (maybe they need to be updated?).  I have linux-source installed (just verified), shouldn't that be the kernel sources?09:00
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BFTDyeah lionux source is kernel source09:00
BFTDglobe you running dapper?09:01
globeum....edgy i think....I can never remember09:01
globe(what happened to version numbers?)09:01
grazieglobe: it's linux-headers that's important....check you /var/log/dpkg.log to see whether they've been updated09:04
grazieglobe: 6.06=dapper, 6.10=edgy09:05
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globeit looks like linux-headers- was updated today09:07
tonyyarussoSay, 350 - 400 MHz PII, how would Xubuntu do on that?  Usable, iffy, fantastic?09:07
R[studying] ndomI'd say iffy to usable09:08
R[studying] ndombut what do i know09:08
R[studying] ndomive never tried09:08
tonyyarussoAll right.09:08
R[studying] ndomif I were to do that, I wouldnt use xfce tho09:09
R[studying] ndomI'd probably use a lighter weight manager09:09
grazieglobe: lots of folks having problems with nvidia driver.s..check out the forums....you should be ok with the old kernel though09:09
R[studying] ndombut try it, and it its slow, try another WM :)09:09
BFTDI have a 400MHz CPU that runs XFCE just fine09:09
globegrazie: lol...is anyone solving their problems?  thanks for ur help....ill search and poke around in there09:10
tonyyarussoR[studying] ndom: Problem is, it's for very non-tech savvy folks, so it needs to be easy and friendly09:10
R[studying] ndomBFTD, excellent. I'll say that next time :)09:10
tonyyarussoBFTD: Good to know.  Thanks.09:10
grazieglobe: I'm sure someone must have a workaround...I just don't know what is it09:11
grazieglobe: if you can't find a solution...I'd been tempted to build my own kernel09:13
globegrazie: I might do that (though i've never done such things...sounds fun though :-D)09:14
tonyyarussoIs it possible to get Xubuntu via ShipIt if it's a bulk order for a charity?  (I know you can't normally)09:16
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tonyyarussoMagicFab: Any chance you'd be privy to this?  "Is there an announcement pending soon?  (I just saw a note on ML so far)"09:26
MagicFabto what ? I must have missed some...09:27
MagicFabtonyyarusso, ^^09:28
tonyyarussoI gotta remember how many things to scroll up...09:28
tonyyarusso"Is it possible to get Xubuntu via ShipIt if it's a bulk order for a charity?  (I know you can't normally)", rather.09:29
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Eagle_101how do you tell what xubuntu version you are on... from inside the live CD?09:38
tonyyarussoEagle_101: lsb_release -a09:39
Eagle_101ST47:  I just want to confirm thats what I have09:39
globeyesssssssssssss!  I finally got nvidia to compile!  (thanks all 4 your help)09:39
ST47I hate nvidia09:39
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Eagle_101ok just a note, I'm on 6.10 but In FF ( file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ) I'm being welcomed to 6.0609:40
Eagle_101thats what had me worried ;)09:41
grazieEagle_101: it's just a known documentation bug09:50
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Buddha|anybody know anything about data recovery?09:53
hyper__chBuddha|: I know that one should do regular backups.. I make every 6h a fullbackup09:54
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grazieBuddha|: not something you can describe with a few irc mesages...what's the problem?10:02
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Eagle_101grazie heh10:06
Eagle_101R[studying] ndom: I'm doing that partitioning I we were talking about yestereday10:06
grazieEagle_101: hi there10:08
hyper__chEagle_101: you made a backup first?10:08
Eagle_101hyper__ch: duh :P10:09
hyper__chEagle_101: before you are going to alter partitions it's always good to make a backup of the important data :)10:10
Eagle_101hyper__ch:  hehe10:14
hyper__chwell, you might f***** the other partitions on that drive... or unfortunately partition the wrong drive (I did that once....)10:15
Buddha|grazie - accidentally started installing Linux on my data drive10:15
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Eagle_101well I'm re-booting and seeing if windows happens to be in one piece or not... not like I'm going to miss it anyway :P10:17
Buddha|I had a Debian install that I somehow managed to break, so I decided to install Elive on it.  I coudln't get that to work, so I installed Zenwalk instead.  Unfortunately, Elive and Zenwalk read the drives in reverse order, so what Elive saw as sda, Zenwalk saw as sdc.10:17
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slvhey... so i did "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" on my current ubuntu intsall... now how do i enable it?10:18
hyper__chslv: log out of your gnome/kde10:18
hyper__chand at the login manager select as session Xfce410:18
slvok brb10:19
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slvhow can i check to see if i'm running Xfce instead of gnome? according to the login menu it looks like it, but everything else looks the exact same10:23
grazieBuddha|: If the linux installation got as far as formating the partition you've got big problems, although all may not be lost.10:23
grazieBuddha|:  You easily check your disk with a live cd10:23
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slvcooL! i got it working10:25
slvnow how do i get the quick app launchers i had in ubuntu? along the top of the screen10:25
slvam i going to have to manually recreate them all?10:27
hyper__chslv: yes, you have to do that10:29
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Buddha|grazie - I got Zenwalk installed and running.  The disk seems to be blank.  Guess I should pull out my book on data recovery.10:29
Buddha|I *did* just graduate with a Bachelor's degree in Information Systems Security, after all.  Looks like it's time to use some of that training.10:30
hyper__chwell, good luck Buddha|10:32
slvahhh for real hyper___CH? crap10:32
slvthat's gonna be annoying but oh well, thanks10:33
hyper__chslv: it's not that bad... normally as app you just enter it's name :)10:33
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grazieBuddha|: if you want to recover the data, you'll a least need a separate partition, but preferably a recovery data disk. Best of luck10:34
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grazieBuddha|: a book on computer forensics may be a worthwhile investment10:36
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ffxrhi, is possible to change the background color or even use an image as a background in thunar?10:45
TheSheepffxr: in window? no.10:45
TheSheepffxr: you can change the color in the gtk theme10:46
TheSheepffxr: but you'd have to know the widget name10:46
hyper__chhello TheSheep10:46
TheSheephi hyper__ch10:46
ffxrive just changed the color of panels using panel.rc.. so to change thunar's color should be along the same lines...?10:46
dotsonyi'm trying to compile some software, but the ./configure script is telling me that the C compiler cannot make executables10:47
dotsony"configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"10:47
ffxrsorry gtkrc10:47
ffxr: )10:47
TheSheepdotsony: install the 'build-essential' package10:47
dotsonyit is installed10:48
TheSheepffxr: yes, you can put it into the gtkrc or into your theme10:48
ffxrok.. nice one fella : D10:48
dotsonyi'm updating it10:48
dotsonythe relevant line in config.log is10:48
dotsonyconfigure:3150: gcc    conftest.c  >&510:48
dotsonyas: unrecognized option `-Qy'10:49
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Koji-MurasameWhen is Herd5 coming out for Xubuntu?11:01
PuMpErNiCkLeKoji-Murasame: It is out. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-5/11:09
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Koji-MurasameThanks PuMpErNiCkLe I couldn't find it.11:24
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atarinoxhi i'm struggling here trying to access my windows network from Xubuntu11:53
graziegive up :)11:55
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H264#ubuntu is way too crouded11:57
grazieisn't it always?11:57
H264Don't know...11:58
grazieit is11:58
H264does anybody know where I might find a nice picture to put on a CD as a lable for ubuntu?11:58
H264just a nice lable picture11:58
H264or xubuntu or kubuntu or edubuntu :)11:59
Koji-MurasameI saw one the other day let me see if I can find it again.11:59
H264and works too11:59
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Koji-MurasameThere's a Kubuntu label father down as well12:01
H264won't let me look at it without regestering12:02
H264they don't sell information to script kiddies do thay?12:04
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H264regestering, now...12:11
H264thanks :)12:11
Koji-MurasameGlad to help.12:12
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Eagle_101R[studying] ndom, Its working :D12:12
Eagle_101Thanks for your help with the partitions12:12
lypsissomeone in here already using feisty fawn ?12:18
BFTDI need to set up my account so that I can telnet into it12:18
Koji-MurasameI've got Herd4 on LiveCD, and I'm downloading 5 as we speak12:18
lypsiswhat r the big chances ?12:19
lypsisthe big improvements12:19
Koji-MurasameXFCE 4.412:19
lypsisdont know whether i should test livecd or wait til final12:19
lypsisyeah, heard a lot of it, definitely great12:19
H264Koji: do you want me to put you in as the person that refered me to the forum?12:22
Koji-Murasamelol. I don't care. If you want to.12:23
Eagle_101ok, in XChat anyone know how to make the window on the left hand side disappear? (the one with "freenode" in it?12:23
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H264I need user name Ideas12:23
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lypsisEagle_101: options, there u can change where the window should be12:25

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