[12:26] <grazie> yeah...academic institutions use rise above carrot dangling,....but now it's just money money money
[12:27] <maxamillion> buuuuttttttt i have been able to convince the department chair to give us a linux computer lab (only took me 2 years of begging)
[12:30] <j1mc> maxamillion: that's great.  where do you go to school, if you don't mind.
[12:31] <j1mc> sam houston state university?  :)  (got the shsu.edu from your "info")  :)
[12:31] <maxamillion> yeah
[12:31] <j1mc> cool
[12:32] <maxamillion> i'm at work right now, i work as a system technician for the campus library and i run xubuntu on my work machine :)
[12:32] <maxamillion> Linux xUbuntu4work 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 21:16:35 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:34] <j1mc> maxamillion - looks like you got that info from uname -a  :-)
[12:34] <maxamillion> j1mc: i actually just did /exec -o uname -a in irssi :)
[12:34] <j1mc> ah, cool
[12:35] <maxamillion> irssi is my favorite irc client, i enjoy the command line
[12:37] <j1mc> yeah, i've played w/it.  i'm still mostly on xchat.
[12:38] <j1mc> on gaim now, just cos i'm at work.  ((windows))
[12:39] <maxamillion> fair enough
[12:39] <maxamillion> i actually really like the chatzilla plugin for firefox when i am on a windows machine
[12:39] <jbinder> does xubuntu use GDM?
[12:39] <maxamillion> i used to run xchat like 5 years ago before i became a cli junkie
[12:39] <maxamillion> jbinder: yes
[12:39] <jbinder> maxamillion: so killall gdm should stop GUIness?
[12:40] <maxamillion> jbinder: uhmmm.... yeah, i think so
[12:40] <maxamillion> jbinder: but you could also just hard kill with ctrl+alt+backspace while in tty7
[12:40] <maxamillion> or not
[12:43] <Darkkish> is DDR800 pointless to buy, even if my mobo supports it?
[12:43] <maxamillion> Darkkish: no, its fast
[12:44] <daemonAnimatinz> I am using Xubuntu :)
[12:44] <maxamillion> daemonAnimatinz: welcome to our world :)
[12:45] <thedaemon> hehe ty ty
[12:45] <thedaemon> got it on my brand new laptop. which came with ... vista
[12:45] <thedaemon> my pc felt like a 300mhz pc..
[12:45] <grazie>                            shame
[12:45] <thedaemon> now its much better
[12:46] <maxamillion> oh yeah
[12:46] <maxamillion> xubuntu is a wonderful thing
[12:46] <thedaemon> I've quite enjoyed it. everything has worked out of the box on my laptop.
[12:47] <grazie> so M$ got cash for something you immediately trashed ....crazy
[12:47] <thedaemon> lol, I said I am using xubuntu in this room... now I feel like an idiot., I thought I was in another channel.
[12:47] <thedaemon> sorry
[12:47] <thedaemon> not paying much attention
[12:48] <thedaemon> I know, stupid huh?
[12:48] <maxamillion> no worries .. but i will be making my next laptop purchase from www.dell.com/linux so they don't get my money
[12:48] <thedaemon> yeah
[12:49] <thedaemon> I don't want dell to have my money either.. :O
[12:49] <gopp> grazie hi
[12:49] <gopp> hey I got ubuntu yaboot to load
[12:49] <gopp> but know
[12:49] <gopp> I am getting hmm I am getting input/output error
[12:49] <grazie> gopp: hi there
[12:50] <gopp> hi
[12:50] <gopp> rember me
[12:50] <gopp> I got hmm I am getting input/output error
[12:50] <gopp> in the yaboot screen
[12:50] <gopp> after I press return or type Linux and enter
[12:50] <grazie> gopp: yeah I remember
[12:50] <thedaemon> those laptops are expensive.
[12:50] <thedaemon> on dell.com/linux
[12:50] <gopp> but this is know
[12:51] <maxamillion> thedaemon: yeah, i will be saving for a while ... but since dell is willing to support the linux movement, i am willing to support their company
[12:51] <thedaemon> yeah, I understand
[12:51] <grazie> gopp: did you ever check the specs on whether that old G4 supports 160G drives?
[12:52] <gopp> yea it should
[12:53] <grazie> gopp: so you can't boot xubuntu?
[12:53] <gopp> nope
[12:53] <gopp> I get to yaboot
[12:53] <gopp> ubuntu
[12:53] <gopp> I got hmm I am getting input/output error
[12:53] <gopp> like /pci@800000 input/output error
[12:54] <grazie> Ah right....that sounds like you're using a bad OF device name
[12:55] <gopp> grazie oh it is how does oen fix that
[12:55] <grazie> gopp: not got networking sorted?
[12:56] <gopp> I can get networking via ubutnu live cd
[12:56] <gopp> try
[12:56] <gopp> should I
[12:57] <grazie> gopp: pastebin your /etc/yaboo,conf and we'll get the correct OF device names....but I'm doing other stuff at the moment too
[12:58] <gopp> k
[01:16] <illumidigerati> hello hello
[01:16] <illumidigerati> finally.
[01:16] <RandomDestructn> finally.
[01:16] <maxamillion> hello
[01:17] <illumidigerati> xubuntu is being a whore, so i'm running Kanotix live-cd.
[01:17] <RandomDestructn> xubuntu is always a lady, you take that back :P
[01:17] <illumidigerati> surprised it actually connected to the net via livecd
[01:17] <illumidigerati> haha
[01:18] <RandomDestructn> whats up?
[01:18] <illumidigerati> fine, she's a nice, respectable, upstanding, fine piece of ass
[01:18] <maxamillion> !language
[01:18] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:18] <illumidigerati> :D
[01:18] <RandomDestructn> yeah
[01:18] <RandomDestructn> pwn
[01:18] <illumidigerati> ok, language. sorry
[01:18] <maxamillion> its ok, we just don't want anyone to be offended
[01:18] <maxamillion> granted more often than not ... they aren't, but just incasew
[01:18] <maxamillion> -w
[01:19] <illumidigerati> well RD, dpkg is having a severe issue with...well, not working at all. i apt-get install package and it gives me two errors
[01:19] <yendor> Hi again, I have intstalled Smb4k, but i get an error mounting the folder, Do i need to download smbfs?
[01:19] <maxamillion> yendor: possibly
[01:19] <yendor> is smbfs built into the xubuntu system?
[01:20] <RandomDestructn> illumidigerati, and those errors are
[01:20] <illumidigerati> one sec RD, gotta remember
[01:20] <maxamillion> yendor: wait ... it might be
[01:20] <maxamillion> !smbfs
[01:20] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 389 kB, installed size 920 kB
[01:20] <maxamillion> optional
[01:20] <gopp> !xubuntu
[01:20] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[01:21] <gopp> how much space does xubuntu take
[01:21] <RandomDestructn> gopp, my root partition is 6 gigs
[01:21] <j1mc> gopp: xubuntu requires at least 1.5 gigabytes to be installed
[01:22] <j1mc> that is the minimum.
[01:22] <gopp> oh so 160 gig hd is good enough
[01:23] <j1mc> hah, yeah
[01:23] <gopp> I want to run samba share
[01:23] <gopp> or cfs
[01:23] <krash123> can anybody help me with my nvidia drivers ? :S
[01:23] <j1mc> gopp: i can't really help you w/ that, but i'm sure somebody else can.
[01:23] <gopp> I read today somewhere where it said that samba started becuase some geek wanted to share files between his unix box and his girlfriend computer
[01:23] <gopp> !cfs
[01:23] <ubotu> cfs: Cryptographic Filesystem. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.1-17 (edgy), package size 181 kB, installed size 568 kB
[01:23] <gopp> !samba
[01:23] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:25] <RandomDestructn> samba is easy to set up
[01:25] <RandomDestructn> I have it set up so I can stream videos to my xbox
[01:26] <gopp> sweet
[01:27] <gopp> oh so I should not have a problem, RandomDestructn is it all cli
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> cli?
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> wtf is that? ;)
[01:27] <gopp> command line
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> simple well commented config file
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> lol sorry ignore that
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> I saw cli and read GUI
[01:27] <maxamillion> !cli
[01:27] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:27] <maxamillion> !wtf
[01:27] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:27] <RandomDestructn> stop doing that
[01:27] <maxamillion> why?
[01:27] <maxamillion> the bot is awesome
[01:28] <maxamillion> cli = command line interface
[01:29] <RandomDestructn> yeah I know that
[01:29] <RandomDestructn> did you read what I wrote?
 lol sorry ignore that
[01:30] <RandomDestructn> RandomDestructn> I saw cli and read GUI
[01:30] <RandomDestructn> and I was mocking the fact that he expected a gui to configure samba
[01:30] <maxamillion> ah ... i actually missed the smiley after the "wtf is that"
[01:30] <RandomDestructn> ah that too
[01:30] <maxamillion> my fault
[01:30] <maxamillion> sorry :)
[01:30] <RandomDestructn> beh, I'll take some too as I cant read properly
[01:31] <krash123> lol
[01:31] <maxamillion> meh ... thus is life
[01:31] <RandomDestructn> krash123, you ever get that nvidia help?
[01:31] <krash123> can you help me with my nvidia drivers ?
[01:31] <RandomDestructn> ahaha
[01:31] <maxamillion> wahoo!!! i get off work in 30 minutes
[01:31] <RandomDestructn> classic
[01:31] <krash123> neh i didnt -.-
[01:31] <maxamillion> !nvidia | krash123
[01:31] <ubotu> krash123: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <RandomDestructn> on my side I said it first :)
[01:32] <krash123> but i want the 3D acceleration so i can install beryl
[01:32] <krash123> )=
[01:32] <RandomDestructn> isnt that what that site is?
[01:32] <maxamillion> yes ... yes it is
[01:32] <RandomDestructn> indeed
[01:32] <krash123> i tried that but didnt work :S
[01:32] <RandomDestructn> glxgears work?
[01:32] <krash123> maybe im doing somethinng wrong..
[01:32] <krash123> now they do
[01:32] <RandomDestructn> then the drivers work
[01:33] <RandomDestructn> and you have an xgl problem
[01:33] <krash123> but i dont have the direct rendering :S
[01:33] <maxamillion> or an aiglx problem
[01:33] <maxamillion> beryl is over rated ... i used it for a few weeks at work and now i am back to xfwm4
[01:33] <krash123> glxinfo | grep renderin = Direct rendering = No
[01:33] <krash123> but i want to try it ! ^^
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> random@workstatiuntoo:~$ glxinfo | grep renderin
[01:34] <krash123> looks awesome..
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> direct rendering: Yes
[01:34] <the> i hate wireless...
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> haha I win
[01:34] <krash123> 
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> tho beryl makes my wallpaper go away
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> and if i click my desktop it swaps my left monitors wallpaper for the right ones
[01:34] <krash123> i been trying for 3 days to get that 
[01:34] <RandomDestructn> and takes mad resources
[01:34] <the> what's the command to change my username?
[01:35] <RandomDestructn> but thats probably cause im using a 6600 128mb to render 3200x1200
[01:35] <krash123> but all i want is the drivers ...
[01:35] <krash123> i found a great guide for beryl..
[01:35] <krash123> but it doesnt include drivers.. -.-
[01:35] <krash123> i have an N6600 too ^^
[01:35] <krash123> but 256mb..
[01:35] <maxamillion> the ram size shouldn't matter
[01:36] <krash123> i know..
[01:36] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, what?
[01:36] <krash123> how did u get that direct rendering ? )=
[01:36] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, if matters a lot
[01:36] <RandomDestructn> if you dont have enough ram windows start going black if you open too many
[01:36] <maxamillion> the ram size of the card shouldn't make or break the drivers functionality
[01:36] <RandomDestructn> oh nono
[01:36] <RandomDestructn> we were talking about beryl working on it
[01:37] <RandomDestructn> we know rendering /should/ work
[01:37] <krash123> that's what we're talkin about , drivers :P
[01:37] <RandomDestructn> ^direct
[01:37] <krash123> but i dont get direct rendering )=
[01:37] <the> i want cable....Verizon is a deadbeat.
[01:37] <krash123> how did you install your drivers random ?
[01:37] <maxamillion> the: yeah ... i have cable at home ... its nice, but it seems so slow compared to the fiber line i have at work
[01:38] <RandomDestructn> krash123, downloaded the binaries and sudo ./NVIDIA-x86-bignumber.bin
[01:38] <krash123> bignumber ?
[01:38] <the> i'd hope so max, lol
[01:39] <the> i like hardwiring though. I've never trusted wireless, and now i'm getting a ginormous dose of it
[01:39] <krash123> i downloaded this NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1,0-9746-pkg1.run
[01:40] <krash123> made sudo sh ./NVIDIA-.....
[01:40] <krash123> but didnt work :S
[01:40] <maxamillion> the: ahhh ... :(
[01:41] <maxamillion> krash123: you have to edit the runtime configs and go to a runtime that won't invoke X annnnnd then each time you kernel upgrade you have to compile again
[01:41] <maxamillion> krash123: you runnin edgy 32-bit?
[01:41] <krash123> yea
[01:41] <krash123> maxi, im sure i dont know how to do all that :(
[01:41] <maxamillion> krash123: the ndivia-glx version in the repos is the 9xxx (iirc) and will run aiglx rendering without a problem
[01:42] <maxamillion> krash123: its a pain even if you did .. i don't recommend it
[01:42] <gopp> grazie http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8153/
[01:42] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, isnt that what he has now tho?
[01:42] <maxamillion> RandomDestructn: not sure ....
[01:42] <krash123> maxi, so what should i do ? :S
[01:42] <maxamillion> krash123: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:42] <RandomDestructn> krash123, the downside of my way is every time you upgrade the kernel, X will break and youll have to run the installer again
[01:42] <RandomDestructn> the upside is slightly newer drivers sometimes
[01:43] <maxamillion> true
[01:43] <maxamillion> i'm lazy :_
[01:43] <maxamillion> :) *
[01:43] <krash123> so
[01:43] <RandomDestructn> actually I do it this way cause im lazy.. I never bothered to learn the right way
[01:43] <krash123> what should i do ?
[01:43] <the> holy hell, i think i just got a severe upgrade! haha. roommate just let me borrow/possibly own a 2.8ghz amd/1gb ram 128mb vidcard tower...
[01:43] <RandomDestructn> krash123, which method got you where you are now?
[01:43] <krash123> now
[01:43] <krash123> emm
[01:44] <RandomDestructn> 2.8ghz amd? what chip?
[01:44] <the> RD, one sec, i'll find out.
[01:44] <krash123> actually i reinstalled cause i made a lot of changes and now is CLEAN
[01:44] <RandomDestructn> 2.8 is high for them
[01:44] <maxamillion> krash123: please pastebin your xorg.conf ... you might just need to edit it
[01:44] <krash123> how ? :P
[01:44] <RandomDestructn> open it and paste it to the website
[01:44] <krash123> im just gettin started ..
[01:45] <krash123> wich website ? :S
[01:45] <RandomDestructn> TextEditorOfChoice /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:45] <maxamillion> !pastebin | krash123
[01:45] <ubotu> krash123: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:45] <the> athlon i think
[01:45] <maxamillion> the: which athlon?
[01:45] <RandomDestructn> the, itll be an a64 at that clock rate
[01:45] <RandomDestructn> and itll be a fast one
[01:45] <RandomDestructn> mines a 4000+ and it runs at 2.4ghz
[01:45] <grazie> gopp: in a terminal 'sudo ofpath /dev/hdc'
[01:46] <gopp> K
[01:46] <krash123> what goes in syntax?
[01:46] <gopp> K I typed that
[01:46] <maxamillion> i have an athlon64 x2 4600+ and /proc/cpuinfo says its 1ghz :P
[01:46] <maxamillion> well ... i have that here at work
[01:46] <grazie> gopp: and pastebin 'sudo mac-fdisk -l /dev/hdc'
[01:46] <krash123> maxi
[01:46] <maxamillion> only have an athlon64 3200+ at home ... but i love it none the less
[01:46] <maxamillion> krash123: yes?
[01:47] <krash123> what goes in "syntax" ?
[01:47] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, run k7burn and cat /proc/cpuinfo again
[01:47] <RandomDestructn> they clock down to 1ghz due to cool'n'quiet
[01:47] <grazie> gopp: what's output by ofpath?
[01:47] <maxamillion> RandomDestructn: ahhhh ... rgr, forgot about that
[01:47] <gopp> k one sec
[01:47] <RandomDestructn> the fx-57 is 2.8ghz
[01:48] <maxamillion> yeah... i think my 3200+ at home is 2Ghz
[01:48] <krash123> randomdestructn, what should i put on "syntax" at pastebin ?
[01:48] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, know what core it is?
[01:48] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, answer krash123
[01:48] <maxamillion> RandomDestructn: Venice
[01:49] <maxamillion> krash123: raw textr
[01:49] <maxamillion> -r
[01:49] <RandomDestructn> yeah 2ghz. clock 'er
[01:49] <krash123> raw token data ?
[01:50] <maxamillion> krash123: plain text maybe ... depends on the pastebin site
[01:50] <krash123> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8154/
[01:50] <krash123> that's it
[01:50] <krash123> i think
[01:50] <gopp> grazie http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8155/
[01:51] <grazie> gopp: what's output by ofpath?
[01:51] <gopp> it thier to
[01:51] <gopp> at the bottom
[01:51] <grazie> k
[01:51] <gopp>  pci@blahablah
[01:53] <grazie> gopp: that all looks good
[01:53] <maxamillion> krash123: look at the link you sent me .... line 95, change that from "nv" to "nvidia" then kill X and log back in, direct rendering should be there
[01:53] <gopp> thenw hat wrong
[01:53] <gopp> do I need to do ybin -v
[01:53] <RandomDestructn> maxamillion, how was glxgears working if he was using nv?
[01:54] <grazie> gopp: not changed anything
[01:54] <krash123> but i didnt install anything ! should i install somthing before ?
[01:54] <krash123> something*
[01:54] <gopp> oh
[01:54] <grazie> gopp: how did you set up yaboot...exactly
[01:54] <gopp> well
[01:54] <gopp> I allowed it to auto do it
[01:54] <gopp> after the install
[01:54] <maxamillion> RandomDestructn: because xorg is loading the glx module, it was probably just running them at a horribly low frame rate
[01:54] <RandomDestructn> huh. i didnt think it would do it at all. neat.
[01:55] <maxamillion> !nvidia | krash123
[01:55] <ubotu> krash123: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:55] <RandomDestructn> in which case krash123 is all f ixed up
[01:55] <grazie> gopp: so the only disk in the g4 is the 160g?
[01:55] <maxamillion> krash123: i beg you to follow that link
[01:55] <krash123> so, do that in the link
[01:55] <krash123> after that, change xorg.conf
[01:55] <krash123> then restart X ?
[01:55] <RandomDestructn> ctrl alt backspace :)
[01:55] <RandomDestructn> (that will kill x)
[01:56] <rmd_> i just noticed that xfce4-terminal isn't really going "transparent" it's just using the background image.  ie, i can't see the firefox beneath this window, just the background image.  is this normal?
[01:56] <krash123> those 3 steps and it should work ?
[01:56] <RandomDestructn> rmd_, yes
[01:56] <maxamillion> krash123: yes
[01:56] <krash123> :D
[01:56] <krash123> ill try
[01:56] <RandomDestructn> rmd_, its way less resource intensive
[01:56] <RandomDestructn> many apps do it like that
[01:56] <krash123> ill tell you when i finish. :D
[01:56] <rmd_> just out of curiosity... there's no way to change it?
[01:56] <maxamillion> rmd_: there is if you use compositing
[01:57] <maxamillion> !compositor
[01:57] <gopp> yea
[01:57] <ubotu> For instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite
[01:57] <gopp> grazie that the only disk
[01:57] <maxamillion> !compositor | rmd_
[01:57] <ubotu> rmd_: please see above
[01:57] <maxamillion> lol
[01:57] <maxamillion> didn't know ubotu would do that
[01:57] <RandomDestructn> xfce's compositor is actually not bad too
[01:57] <grazie> gopp: that config should work
[01:57] <rmd_> thanks for the link
[01:57] <maxamillion> rmd_: no prob
[01:57] <gopp> I am going to reboot
[01:57] <gopp> but I keep getting input and out errors
[01:58] <gopp> let me reboot
[01:58] <rmd_> but.. uh.. the link just goes to the front page.. doesnt say anything about compositor
[01:58] <maxamillion> RandomDestructn: annnd in xfce4.4 apparently compositor will use aiglx and direct render if you have hardware to support it
[01:58] <rmd_> i'll find it, though
[01:58] <gopp> do I need to bless it somehow
[01:58] <grazie> gopp: with holy penguin pee? no
[01:58] <gopp> oh
[01:59] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm off work ... bbl
[02:00] <rmd_> so if i wanted to use the compositor, i'd have to compile xfwm4 on my own?
[02:00] <krash123> hey
[02:01] <krash123> i have installed linux-image-2..-generic,, should i install linux-image-686 ?
[02:02] <krash123> RandomDestructn, can you help me there ?
[02:03] <rmd_> krash123, if you can boot, why do you want to install another image?
[02:03] <krash123> oh ok
[02:03] <RandomDestructn> there will be a tiny improvement maybe
[02:03] <gopp> still input and out put error
[02:03] <RandomDestructn> I wouldnt bother
[02:03] <RandomDestructn> random@workstatiuntoo:~$ uname -r
[02:03] <RandomDestructn> 2.6.17-11-386
[02:03] <RandomDestructn> I dont bother anyway
[02:04] <krash123> so, with linux-image-generic, i should isntall   linux-restricted-modules-generic ,. right ?
[02:04] <RandomDestructn> Id say so
[02:04] <RandomDestructn> its pretty hard to mess up with apt-get
[02:04] <gopp> grazie know I am getting malloc failed
[02:04] <krash123> but its already installed.. :S
[02:04] <RandomDestructn> the only thing that sucks about apt get is the damn long command line
[02:04] <RandomDestructn> sudo apt get install something
[02:04] <RandomDestructn> way too many words
[02:05] <RandomDestructn> in mandriva you just urpmi something
[02:05] <krash123> but im following the guide
[02:05] <krash123> its with synaptic..
[02:05] <RandomDestructn> oh, yeah whatev
[02:05] <RandomDestructn> same thing
[02:05] <RandomDestructn> (ish)
[02:05] <gopp> uknow or corrupt filesystem
[02:05] <grazie> gopp: that's a different error to before...how much text is output? ...have you got a digital camera?
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> wait, krash of course its already installed
[02:06] <gopp> nope sorry
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> you had the driver in, but didnt have xorg.conf set up
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> if you changed the xorg.conf setting, then youre golden
[02:06] <Str8> are there any xubuntu pros out there willing to answer a few questions for a noob?
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> Str8, give 'er
[02:06] <krash123> so , i dont have to install anything ?
[02:06] <krash123> just change that ?
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> krash123, you already did, no?
[02:06] <Str8> I just installed linux for the first time yesterday...
[02:06] <grazie> gopp: how much text is output?
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> yeah, and if it breaks X, then change it back
[02:06] <krash123> i didnt install anything
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> you do know how to do that from command line, yes?
[02:06] <Str8> but i'm kind of of confused.
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> you did earlier
[02:06] <RandomDestructn> right?
[02:07] <Str8> I installed XFCE?
[02:07] <krash123> i did change the xorg.backup for the actual one..
[02:07] <krash123> twice :S
[02:07] <Str8> is this the distro or is xubuntu the distro?
[02:07] <RandomDestructn> xubuntu is the distro
[02:07] <Str8> i have it up and running, i'm able surf the web...
[02:07] <RandomDestructn> xfce is the desktop environment
[02:07] <Str8> oh i c...
[02:08] <Str8> so xubuntu can run other desktop environments?
[02:08] <RandomDestructn> yes
[02:08] <Eagle_101> yea
[02:08] <RandomDestructn> but the only diff between ubuntu and xubuntu is the fact xubuntu has xfce instead of gnome
[02:08] <krash123> random, shall i install something or not ?
[02:08] <RandomDestructn> and kubuntu has KDE
[02:08] <Eagle_101> how I'm not there my self :D
[02:08] <Str8> I installed it on a laptop that is about 3 years old...
[02:08] <RandomDestructn> krash123, privmsg :P
[02:08] <Str8> not ready to install on my desktop because i want to get to know linux a little more
[02:09] <Str8> so i just upgraded firefox through the syn app or something like that..
[02:09] <Str8> but i want to now install a media player...
[02:10] <Str8> however, i don't know if i need to install a new media player or install codecs on xfmedia...
[02:10] <Str8> thanks for answering my questions randomdestruction..
[02:10] <RandomDestructn> that was it?
[02:10] <RandomDestructn> killer.
[02:11] <RandomDestructn> yeah, definitely try other desktop environments when you have time
[02:11] <RandomDestructn> I think xfce is the best, but a lot of ppl like KDE/Gnome
[02:11] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kopete at Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft
[02:11] <Str8> yeah the reason i chose xfce was because the laptop is kinda slow....
[02:11] <RandomDestructn> Str8, if you dont care about looks there are some even more light weight solutions
[02:12] <Str8> really?
[02:12] <RandomDestructn> but xfce is the lightest 'complete' environment I've found
[02:12] <Str8> i want speed...
[02:12] <Str8> mainly i just use the laptop i installed xubuntu for internet, and music player...
[02:12] <krash123> so xface its ok for that
[02:13] <krash123> even more speed you want ? :S
[02:13] <Str8> maybe...
[02:13] <Str8> i had xp installed on it and it was suicidal slow....
[02:13] <RandomDestructn> Str8, http://flwm.sourceforge.net/
[02:13] <RandomDestructn> theres a sample of one of the lightweight options
[02:13] <RandomDestructn> theres a screenie
[02:13] <Eagle_101> Str8 XP is slow on my computer as well :P
[02:14] <krash123> random can u answer the pvmsg please ? :D
[02:14] <Str8> i want install linux on my desktop, but i want to be able to still play games...
[02:14] <Str8> thanks for answering my noob questions guys...i appreciate the help
[02:15] <RandomDestructn> krash123, I got nothing
[02:15] <krash123> 
[02:15] <krash123> ill copy it to here
[02:15] <RandomDestructn> the server must block queries or something
[02:15] <krash123> now ?
[02:16] <RandomDestructn> zilch
[02:16] <RandomDestructn> ive sent some garbage to you to
[02:16] <Eagle_101> I'm not seeing anything either
[02:16] <Eagle_101> if you are putting it in channel
[02:16] <krash123> yea lol
[02:16] <krash123> no not in the chanel
[02:16] <krash123> well there it goes by here
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:01) krash: i just installed xubuntu again
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:06) krash: so its CLEAN
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:36) krash: i didnt put nothing after the installation, except
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:36) krash: apt-get update
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:36) krash: apt-get dist-upgrade..
[02:17] <krash123> (22:09:39) krash: just that..
[02:17] <krash123> (22:11:32) krash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia - i should follow this guide then changing my xorg.conf or change it now ?
[02:17] <krash123> that's it
[02:17] <RandomDestructn> follow the guide
[02:17] <RandomDestructn> and it should be fine
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> I thought ud already installed them, in which case youd only have to edit the files
[02:18] <krash123> but the packages are already installed -.-
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> then skip to the next step
[02:18] <Str8> hey random, is flwm a desktop environment?
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> whatever that may be
[02:18] <krash123> ok
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> Str8, its a window manager
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> so it doesnt have all of niceties
[02:18] <RandomDestructn> like fancy configuration panels, pagers, etc
[02:18] <Str8> o i c...
[02:19] <RandomDestructn> Str8, whats with the name? please say razor :)
[02:19] <krash123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia - i should jump step 6 right ?
[02:19] <Str8> so can i go to that website http://flwm.sourceforge.net/, to install flwm...
[02:19] <Str8> str8 ridah...
[02:19] <Str8> it's from a song....
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> Str8, I'd look around at other options rather than just trying the first I mention
[02:20] <krash123> tupac ?
[02:20] <Str8> yeah...
[02:20] <krash123> (L)
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> but either way you could add whatever you choose with synaptic.. maybe?
[02:20] <rmd_> well, i enabled the compositor, and xfce4-terminal still just shows the background image, rather than the window beneath
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> dunno what other WMs are in ubuntus packages
[02:20] <Str8> dang i didn't know any computer guys listened to tupac...
[02:20] <krash123> lol
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> random@workstatiuntoo:~$ sch flwm
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> flwm - Fast Light Window Manager
[02:20] <Str8> haha
[02:20] <krash123> im not a computer guy i think xD
[02:20] <RandomDestructn> I listen to tupac
[02:20] <krash123> :O
[02:20] <krash123> we're 3 then lol
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> we just don't always admit to it.
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> didnt you see office space?
[02:21] <str8_ridah> hahahahaa
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> all nerdy lame guys listen to the gangsta beats
[02:21] <str8_ridah> that is too funny...
[02:21] <krash123>  i didnt )=
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> watch that shit.
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> right now
[02:21] <str8_ridah> that movie was the bomb...
[02:21] <RandomDestructn> I dont care what you have to do
[02:22] <str8_ridah> hell yeah...you've got to watch that movie...
[02:22] <rmd_> anybody got a fix?
[02:22] <RandomDestructn> str8_ridah, I have the soundtrack too
[02:22] <krash123> random , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia , should i jump the step 6 ?
[02:22] <krash123> install and... Step 6..
[02:22] <str8_ridah> hey the soundtrack bumps...
[02:23] <RandomDestructn> looks like it
[02:23] <krash123> should i jump it  ?
[02:23] <RandomDestructn> yeah just go to 6
[02:23] <RandomDestructn> dont worry man you wont break it
[02:23] <RandomDestructn> and if you do, youll learn a lot
[02:23] <RandomDestructn> heh
[02:24] <krash123> but i dont use Hoary Hedgehog or Breezy Badger
[02:24] <krash123> so dont install those things..
[02:24] <gopp> grazie not much text
[02:24] <str8_ridah> so can XFmedia play mp3's?   or do i need to install codecs?
[02:24] <j1mc> str8
[02:24] <RandomDestructn> krash123, I cant help too much as ive never done it that way
[02:24] <j1mc> str8_ridah, yeah
[02:25] <krash123> :O
[02:25] <j1mc> you would need the codecs, but it should be able to do it.
[02:25] <krash123> downloading packages
[02:25] <RandomDestructn> my way is download the bin, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, sudo ./nvidia-whatever, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> change nv to nvidia, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:25] <str8_ridah> how? sorry if this seems stupid, but i have my mp3's on a flash drive but xfmedia won't play them?
[02:25] <RandomDestructn> str8_ridah, amarok ftw
[02:25] <krash123> 128k WIP (instead of RIP , WAIT in peace)
[02:25] <grazie> gopp: I can't really help unless I can see exactly what's output on booting
[02:26] <str8_ridah> is amarok an audio codec or is it a media player?
[02:26] <RandomDestructn> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui
[02:26] <RandomDestructn> should do it for the restricted formats
[02:26] <str8_ridah> ok let me try that...
[02:26] <RandomDestructn> you need to have the right repos added tho
[02:26] <krash123> short line ! lol
[02:26] <j1mc> str8_ridah, will need the additional repositories added to install those files, though.
[02:26] <j1mc> RandomDestructn, yeah . . . :)
[02:27] <grazie> gopp: it may help to pastebin /var/log/dmesg (on the 160g drive)
[02:27] <RandomDestructn> have tu uncomment universe and multiverse first
[02:27] <RandomDestructn> agh I need to go make dinner or study or something
[02:27] <RandomDestructn> you guys take too much time :)
[02:27] <krash123> nah, u need to help on the irc (?)
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> will it make me better at set theory?
[02:28] <str8_ridah> thanks for your help randomdestruction...
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> np
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> I think I'll idle here for a few days, maybe stay
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> you guys don't seem like idiots, and the channel is quiet.
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> I like that.
[02:28] <krash123> :)
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> most ppl on irc are teh suck
[02:28] <RandomDestructn> anyway I'm out
[02:28] <krash123> )=
[02:29] <krash123> thanks :D
[02:29] <grazie> gopp: also pastbin the output of blkid
[02:29] <grazie> gopp: and /etc/fstab
[02:31] <rmd_> okay, so what i figured out is that the compositor will show windows under transparent windows, but will not show them on windows using a "transparent background"
[02:31] <rmd_> for xfce4, that is
[02:31] <rmd_> and it's bugging me
[02:31] <krash123> lol
[02:31] <krash123> can't help you mate )=
[02:32] <rmd_> although, i have to say that the option to only transparify inactive windows has already increased my productivity 100000%
[02:32] <krash123> :O
[02:33] <rmd_> because, well, i don't always want to have my windows maximized.  they don't always display information effectively in that mode
[02:33] <rmd_> but when everything has the same amount of focus, i'm easily distracted :)
[02:34] <krash123> look
[02:34] <krash123> here u have a sweet transparent console
[02:35] <krash123> http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200702262200371024x768saw6.png
[02:35] <krash123> http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200702262205581024x768sgl1.png
[02:35] <str8_ridah> -jlmc, what did you mean that i would need the additional repositories? to install those files?
[02:35] <T`> oww how do you get that type of console?
[02:35] <rmd_> neither of those links work for me
[02:35] <rmd_> brb
[02:35] <krash123> those repositories dont come with xubuntu str8
[02:35] <krash123> you have to download em
[02:36] <str8_ridah> repositories=files?
[02:36] <str8_ridah> my bad if i sound like a total noob...
[02:36] <BFTD> I'm talking to someone who's having problems with the terminal not accepting commands
[02:36] <krash123> mm.. its like """exe""" files,
[02:36] <str8_ridah> ok....
[02:36] <BFTD> what might it be
[02:36] <krash123> dont know BFTD :S
[02:36] <R[a] ndom> repositories != exe files
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> repositories = collections of files that you can install
[02:37] <BFTD> yeah
[02:37] <krash123> random :O
[02:37] <str8_ridah> man i just wasted 5 minutes typing in some command crash gave me...
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> soup is cooking
[02:37] <krash123> i said it will be lik """exe """
[02:37] <krash123> not exe
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> its kind of like a setup.exe
[02:37] <krash123> str8 he told you...
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> aagjkah
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> no its not
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> lol
[02:37] <R[a] ndom> repositores are collections of programs :)
[02:38] <str8_ridah> so i know the codecs i need aren't licensed hence where i get them will be secret...
[02:38] <krash123> so driver should be installed now..
[02:38] <krash123> i have to change xorg.conf now
[02:38] <str8_ridah> ok i see guys..
[02:38] <krash123> right ?
[02:38] <R[a] ndom> oh str8_ridah still working ont eh codecs?
[02:38] <R[a] ndom> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[02:38] <str8_ridah> yeah...
[02:38] <R[a] ndom> theres a howto
[02:38] <str8_ridah> ok thanks...
[02:39] <R[a] ndom> krash123, yeah
[02:39] <str8_ridah> i'm surprised how well it runs on my first try...
[02:39] <rmd_> okay, so link me to these terminals again?
[02:40] <R[a] ndom> rmd you just want a borderless terminal on your desktop?
[02:40] <rmd_> no
[02:41] <R[a] ndom> oh.
[02:41] <rmd_> i was looking for a truly transparent background
[02:41] <R[a] ndom> the first link he posted wasnt that
[02:41] <rmd_> but xfce4-terminal just displays the background image in various position
[02:41] <R[a] ndom> lemme check the 2nd
[02:41] <krash123> random, i must change "nv" to "nvidia" right ?
[02:41] <R[a] ndom> yep
[02:42] <krash123> or "nvidia-glx" ?
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> nvidia
[02:42] <krash123> ok
[02:42] <krash123> :D
[02:42] <krash123> now restart x :O
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> rmd_, almost all programs do it that way unless you get a compositing manager
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> its just way too slow to do it any other way
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> like reeeaally slow
[02:42] <rmd_> i've got the compositor running
[02:42] <rmd_> right now
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> oh.
[02:42] <R[a] ndom> I see where we are
[02:42] <rmd_> actively using it
[02:42] <rmd_> and it works for the windows that are transparentized because they are inactive
[02:43] <rmd_> but xfce4-terminal and xchat both have transparent background options that do not work this way
[02:43] <R[a] ndom> google gave this: http://xfce-diary.blogspot.com/2006/03/transparent-terminal-hack.html
[02:43] <R[a] ndom> any help?
[02:43] <R[a] ndom> I'm off to finish making dinner
[02:45] <krash123> yessssss :D:D
[02:45] <krash123> random
[02:45] <krash123> workss :D:D
[02:45] <krash123> now beryl :O
[02:51] <krash123> random, u there ?
[02:52] <rmd_> <R[a] ndom> any help?
[02:52] <rmd_> <R[a] ndom> I'm off to finish making dinner
[02:52] <krash123> ok
[02:52] <krash123> thnx :D
[02:53] <R[a] ndom>  eating now
[02:53] <R[a] ndom> and watching tv on the other monitor
[02:57] <krash123> random
[02:57] <krash123> there ?
[02:58] <R[a] ndom> phone, but give er
[02:58] <krash123> lol
[02:58] <krash123> i lost a great guide i found for beryl.. shit.
[02:59] <krash123> !beryl
[02:59] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <krash123> !aiglx
[02:59] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-effects for support.
[02:59] <Eagle_101> !ubuntu
[02:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[02:59] <Eagle_101> !xubuntu
[02:59] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[03:00] <Buddha|> !ubotu
[03:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:07] <krash123> !shit
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <krash123> lol
[03:07] <R[a] ndom> reminds me of back in the day
[03:08] <R[a] ndom> with crappy mirc bots
[03:08] <R[a] ndom> we'd do a !$crlf quit pwned
[03:08] <krash123> im using gaim :P
[03:08] <R[a] ndom> pretty easy to guess what that would do :P
[03:08] <krash123> look that sweet console
[03:08] <krash123> http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200702262200371024x768saw6.png
[03:09] <R[a] ndom> wtf?
[03:09] <R[a] ndom> oh youre crash
[03:09] <R[a] ndom> you want one like that?
[03:09] <R[a] ndom> I use eterm with these options
[03:09] <R[a] ndom> kstart --skiptaskbar --skippager --alldesktops --onbottom Eterm -x -O --buttonbar no --scrollbar no --no-cursor  --geometry 51x25+2885+800 -f white -b white  --font-fx none --shade 30
[03:10] <krash123> where do you put that options ?
[03:10] <R[a] ndom> if you try to use it, note the geometry, as I doubt your monitor is as big as mine :)
[03:10] <R[a] ndom> command line
[03:10] <R[a] ndom> youll need kstart and Eterm installed
[03:10] <krash123> random
[03:10] <krash123> u have msn ?
[03:10] <R[a] ndom> I made a bash script with only that in it, and called it transeterm
[03:10] <R[a] ndom> iwishiwasntstuck@hotmail.com
[03:11] <krash123> mine's kevpf@hot.. ill add u :)
[03:11] <krash123> accept me  lol
[03:13] <R[a] ndom> added
[03:13] <krash123> yea i see
[03:13] <krash123> im downloading .debs )=
[03:13] <krash123> one step closer to beryl ! lol
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> what?
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> why are you downloading debs?
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> theres a repo for that
[03:14] <krash123> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Instalar_Beryl_en_Ubuntu_Edgy_con_AIGLX
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> #beryl SVN
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn
[03:14] <krash123> im on that guide :P
[03:14] <R[a] ndom> ok ignroe me then
[03:14] <krash123> :D
[03:14] <krash123> lol
[03:16] <krash123> hey
[03:16] <krash123> there's a
[03:16] <krash123> Load "vbe" ..
[03:16] <krash123> i must have a
[03:16] <krash123> Load "dbe"
[03:16] <krash123> i should change the one i have or add a new one ?
[03:17] <krash123> randomm
[03:18] <Malay_Linux> Hi
[03:18] <krash123> hi
[03:23] <ST47> Hi guys
[03:23] <krash123> descargando beryl.....
[03:23] <krash123> downloading beryl... *
[03:23] <ST47> I have a friend who just installed ubuntu
[03:23] <krash123> congrats :D
[03:24] <krash123> lol
[03:24] <ST47> and when he boots, the screen goes all wreid
[03:24] <krash123> maybe u should go to #ubuntu
[03:24] <krash123> here's #Xubuntu
[03:24] <ST47> oh
[03:24] <ST47> true
[03:24] <krash123> :)
[03:24] <krash123> plus, looks that there's no one else here
[03:25] <Eagle_101> me!
[03:25] <krash123> :O
[03:25] <Eagle_101> just I don't know enough to help :(
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> I just can't be assed ;)
[03:26] <Sharn> Hello peeps
[03:27] <Eagle_101> hi
[03:28] <krash123> shit .. my conexion sucks lol
[03:29] <Eagle_101> ok, I've got a question if I may, I've got to make a partition, and I've seen on the internet several ways to do it, is there anything in ubuntu that will do it right (auto or near automatically). Though I'm prepared to do this manually if not.
[03:29] <R[a] ndom> is there free space on the drive, or a partition you can nuke?
[03:29] <R[a] ndom> or do you have to resize?
[03:29] <Eagle_101> resize
[03:29] <R[a] ndom> then I can help you no further :)
[03:29] <Eagle_101> I've done cleanup, doing the defrag now
[03:30] <R[a] ndom> in windows, I've used partition magic with success
[03:30] <R[a] ndom> in linux I've never dared
[03:30] <Eagle_101> ok, and is partition magic free?
[03:30] <R[a] ndom> not legally
[03:31] <krash123> hey random
[03:31] <R[a] ndom> id probably just go with the best sounding guide
[03:31] <Eagle_101> figures, I can do it manually then using a free app... though I think this makes it really hard to get new users to try linux :P (as they likely have one HD with windows on it)
[03:31] <krash123> i must install like this for beryl right ?
[03:31] <krash123> sudo apt-get install beryl emerald emerald-themes ..
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> not if you downloaded debs
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> that would download em from the repos
[03:32] <krash123> i didnt
[03:32] <krash123> i confused
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> then yeah, never be afraid to apt-get stuff
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> just give'er
[03:32] <krash123> but i should install emerald-themes AND emerald ?
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> everything, just give'er
[03:32] <krash123> lol
[03:32] <krash123> ok
[03:34] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom to clarify, I have exactly one partition. I should be making at least one more, 2 if I want a swap partition.
[03:34] <Eagle_101> ?
[03:34] <grazie> Eagle_101: use gparted on the unstall cd...it loads better than partition tragic
[03:34] <Eagle_101> unstall?
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> oh partition tragic
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> genius
[03:34] <ST47>  from grub, I need a command prompt...
[03:35] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, do what he said
[03:35] <grazie> install...live cd
[03:35] <R[a] ndom> and you do want a swap partition
[03:35] <Eagle_101> oh duh :P
[03:35] <Eagle_101> grazie its easy enough to figure out then and there, or is there a good link or two I should read before hand?
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, you can load firefox in the live cd
[03:36] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom I have done that before ;)
[03:36] <Eagle_101> I've been in here from the live CD :D
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> just making sure you knew that it all worked
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> heh
[03:36] <krash123> me too lol
[03:36] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom no worries :D
[03:36] <Eagle_101> I try to read as much as I can
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> I hate how it lists hdds when youre choosing which one to format
[03:37] <R[a] ndom> I was having problems installing, and redid that step like 20 times
[03:37] <krash123> worksssssss :D:D
[03:37] <Eagle_101> but when it starts to conflict I get confused, as I'm still too new to this stuff
[03:37] <R[a] ndom> then one time it listed the drives in a difft order
[03:37] <R[a] ndom> and i formatted my data drive
[03:37] <R[a] ndom> I wasnt happy
[03:37] <Eagle_101> ow
[03:37] <grazie> Eagle_101: launch gparted.. have a look round...I think you'll find it quite easy....you should always back up important data before messing with partitions though
[03:37] <Eagle_101> ow
[03:37] <R[a] ndom> 300gbs :)
[03:38] <Eagle_101> grazie yeah I've gathered as much from the random blogs/docs/wikis laying around
[03:38] <Eagle_101> about the backing up :D
[03:38] <Eagle_101> and how many partitions should I be making?
[03:38] <Eagle_101> should I make a home partition?
[03:41] <grazie> Eagle_101: the easiest way is to make as much free space as you' think you'll need.
[03:41] <grazie> Eagle_101: I'd say 5G was a reasonable minumum
[03:41] <R[a] ndom> 5g?
[03:41] <R[a] ndom> if you dont want to store anything in linux
[03:41] <Eagle_101> oh I plan to put up to about 10-15G
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> thats a better plan :)
[03:42] <grazie> Eagle_101: and let the installer doing anything for you
[03:42] <Eagle_101> I've only got 40G total :P
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> 3 dirs, root, swap, and home dirs
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> the installer should guess some good sizes
[03:42] <Eagle_101> ok, how do I do the home dir, or is there a decent link?
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> when youre doing it youll have to pick mount points
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> so one will be /
[03:42] <R[a] ndom> the other will be /home/
[03:42] <grazie> Eagle_101: it doesn't give the best config but it'll make life easy
[03:43] <Eagle_101> grazie yeah but I want a decent config ;)
[03:43] <Eagle_101> grazie I'm no stranger to computers
[03:43] <Eagle_101> I've done some programming in C++ on windows
[03:43] <grazie> Eagle_101: how much space can you use for linux (not data)
[03:44] <R[a] ndom> my root is 7gbs, my swap is 2gb
[03:44] <Eagle_101> heh I don't have that much space ;) I've got 40 Gb, 15 being used by windows and data
[03:44] <R[a] ndom> I wasnt suggesting you did
[03:44] <Eagle_101> so I'm thinking somewhere in the range of 10-18 GB total space
[03:44] <R[a] ndom> just sharing :)
[03:45] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom ;)
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> we arent in the same boat
[03:45] <krash124> random
[03:45] <Eagle_101> I wish :(
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> I have over 1tb in this box
[03:45] <Eagle_101> hah
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> give er krash124
[03:45] <Eagle_101> how much that cost you?
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> just bought my new 500 for $200 cdn
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> then I have 2 300s
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> they go for about $100cdn now
[03:45] <Eagle_101> ah
[03:45] <Eagle_101> that cheep?
[03:45] <Eagle_101> *cheap
[03:45] <R[a] ndom> yeah
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> you can get 500s for less
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> $170 now I think
[03:46] <Eagle_101> nice
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> then I have 160gb in my xbox
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> and another 300gbs in my media server
[03:46] <Eagle_101> heh
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> I'm a bit of a media whore if you didnt notice
[03:46] <Eagle_101> grazie so the /home/ dir needs to be about how big?
[03:46] <Eagle_101> lol
[03:46] <R[a] ndom> thatll only be data
[03:47] <R[a] ndom> so as big as your data needs to be
[03:47] <R[a] ndom> all programs go in /
[03:47] <Eagle_101> right
[03:47] <grazie> Eagle_101: For *Ubuntu with 10G I'd make an 7/8G root, 512M swap and 1.5/2.5G /home.
[03:48] <grazie> Eagle_101: I'd then make as big as possible ext3 data partition to share
[03:48] <Eagle_101> you mean with windows?
[03:48] <Eagle_101> that makes sene
[03:48] <grazie> yeah
[03:48] <R[a] ndom> why not share /home?
[03:48] <Eagle_101> so I have 5 partitions?
[03:49] <Sharn> Don't do ext3 for sharing with Windows
[03:49] <R[a] ndom> and if its 7/8g, I'd say 7, as thats what I have and I still have 1.2gbs free
[03:49] <Eagle_101> FAT32 right?
[03:49] <R[a] ndom> yeah
[03:49] <Sharn> Erm. DO NOT. Go ext2
[03:49] <R[a] ndom> Sharn, why? you can mount ext3 FS as ext2
[03:49] <grazie> Sharn: and your reasons?
[03:49] <Sharn> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[03:50] <Sharn> When I used that to mount an ext3 partition, it completely crashed linux.
[03:50] <Sharn> Made it 100% unbootable.
[03:50] <R[a] ndom> so don't use that program
[03:50] <Sharn> ext2 works fine
[03:50] <R[a] ndom> apparently its broken
[03:50] <R[a] ndom> cause ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2
[03:50] <Sharn> It's not broken.
[03:50] <R[a] ndom> ?
[03:50] <R[a] ndom> you just told us it was
[03:51] <Sharn> That's fine, ext2 is not forward compatable with ext3. That driver is made for ext2, is there one made for ext3?
[03:51] <R[a] ndom> read the page you sent me
[03:51] <R[a] ndom> http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html#acc_ext3
[03:51] <R[a] ndom> Does the Ext2 driver access Ext3 volumes, too?
[03:51] <R[a] ndom> The Ext3 file system is the Ext2 file system which has been extended by journaling.
[03:51] <grazie> yes ext2 (without journing) is still far better than fat32
[03:51] <R[a] ndom> it says right on the front page that it works
[03:51] <Sharn> I know that, that's why I tried it.
[03:52] <Eagle_101> Ok, so I make 4 new partitions a '/', '/home/','/swap/',?,?
[03:52] <Sharn> It enver unmounted the ext3 partition correctly, so the journaling got messed up and linux would not boot.
[03:52] <R[a] ndom> so youre telling me its supposed to work, but it doesnt, and it isnt broken
[03:52] <grazie> Eagle_101: worry about the ?.? later
[03:52] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, nah I'd just do 3
[03:52] <R[a] ndom> and share /home
[03:52] <R[a] ndom> and make home ext2/3
[03:52] <Sharn> Eagle_101, that's what I have, minus the ?,?.
[03:53] <Eagle_101> ext3?'
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> I would, sharn says no
[03:53] <Sharn> You can try ext3, but it did not work for me.
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> it worked fine for me
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> until i installed vista and broke the driver
[03:53] <Eagle_101> ok, whats the difference?
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> ext3 is ext2 but with a 'journal' that keeps track of what is being written
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> go wikipedia it if you really care
[03:53] <R[a] ndom> but basically ext3 can handle a crash better
[03:54] <Eagle_101> righto
[03:54] <Eagle_101> thanks :D
[03:54] <Sharn> Well, ok. I've had no problems with ext2 as /home/ anyhow. / is still as ext3.
[03:54] <Eagle_101> and what is the swap?
[03:54] <R[a] ndom> its its own FS
[03:54] <R[a] ndom> theres nothing for you to mess with there :)
[03:54] <Eagle_101> yey!
[03:55] <Eagle_101> I will try this as soon as I finsih defragging my system using a 3rd party defragger
[03:55] <Eagle_101> *finish
[03:55] <grazie> Eagle_101: if you think you might try lots of distros is well worth having a 50/100M /boot too
[03:55] <Sharn> What Windows are you dual booting with?
[03:56] <Eagle_101> XP
[03:56] <Eagle_101> I know all about that darned defrag that comes with that sucker
[03:56] <Sharn> Ah, XP's included defragger should work fine, just so you know.
[03:56] <R[a] ndom> krash124 = dead?
[03:56] <Eagle_101> I've read all about issues with it :S
[03:56] <Sharn> Anything pre-XP had horrible ones, but XP used a different companies defragger.
[03:56] <Sharn> But hey, go ahead.
[03:57] <Eagle_101> lol
[03:58] <krash124> oh nothing :D
[03:58] <R[a] ndom> krash124, you have wobbly windows yet?
[03:58] <Eagle_101> grazie thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'm ok with jut the one.
[03:58] <Eagle_101> I just want a decent distro that I can program on
[03:59] <Sharn> Mostly love the package management. Beats everything else I've tried.
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> It beats a lot that I've tried
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> I'd say mandriva is tied
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> as of 10.0
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> havent used it as of late
[03:59] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom mandriva still use lilo?
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> yep
[03:59] <R[a] ndom> it did when i used it anyway
[04:00] <R[a] ndom> nice graphical boot screen :)
[04:00] <Eagle_101> friend of mine crashed his computer using that
[04:00] <R[a] ndom> worked great for me
[04:00] <Sharn> Mandriva went commercial though. Or are you talking the free version?
[04:01] <Sharn> Mandrake was the first Linux distro I DLed, but I had no diea how to burn the isos then. (probably 2 years ago)
[04:02] <R[a] ndom> free ver
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> I hated their marketing shit, and how they put a giant FREE across the background
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> but it worked
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> and was easy for noobs
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> way easier than ubuntu IMO
[04:03] <Eagle_101> mmm what made it easier?
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> the control panel, mp3 support out of the box
[04:03] <R[a] ndom> huge repositories
[04:03] <Eagle_101> ah :D
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> xgl automatically installed in newer versions
[04:04] <Sharn> Meh. that's what Automatix is for. :)
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> but it did it without breaking shit like automatix does
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> and it was supported
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> unlike automatix
[04:04] <Sharn> ...
[04:04] <Eagle_101> me, I want to actually learn a bit about this :P
[04:04] <Sharn> Automatix has never broken anything for me.
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> Sharn, wait to do a couple dist-upgrades
[04:04] <R[a] ndom> and see if it all still works
[04:05] <Sharn> Dist upgrades up grade to new releases, rgiht?
[04:05] <Sharn> If so, don't worry about that. Those don't work anyhow.
[04:06] <R[a] ndom> ...
[04:06] <Sharn> I don't plan on using dist-upgrade.
[04:06] <R[a] ndom> 1. yeah they do, but edgy was fscked up
[04:06] <R[a] ndom> 2. theres something else that went well in driva
[04:06] <R[a] ndom> not that im saying i dont love ubuntu by ant stretch :)
[04:07] <Sharn> That's one of the reasons I seperated /home from /. I can mostly erase / and reinstall the newest version.
[04:07] <Eagle_101> so how hard is it to unintall and re-install
[04:07] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, super easy
[04:07] <Eagle_101> Sharn thats why I asked about /home :P
[04:07] <R[a] ndom> but youll lose all configuration outside of your home dir
[04:07] <Eagle_101> ;)
[04:07] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom ok
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> xorg.conf and such
[04:08] <Sharn> Yeah, I know. =\
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> but you should very rarely have to do it
[04:08] <Sharn> Ugh. xorg.conf needs to die anyhow. >.<
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> ?
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> I like seeing stuff on both screens
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> I'll keep mine
[04:09] <Sharn> Rofl. It's mostly my sad integrated ati card.
[04:09] <Sharn> I finally got Envy to get accelerated 3d going, but Beryl still won't run right.
[04:38] <Eagle_101> ok I will be back on in linux shortly
[04:54] <Eagle_101> Ok, I'm trying the partitions now
[04:54] <R[a] ndom> hell of a storm here
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> went to take a piss, and the water was moving around in the toilet
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> never seen that happen before
[04:55] <Eagle_101> wow
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> not a lot, but still
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> 3rd storey in a 100 year old house tho :)
[04:55] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom:  I've got something odd... I have a 7,84 GB "unallocated" area on my hard disk that I did not know about (using gparted)
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> bonus?
[04:56] <Eagle_101> dunno, have you ever seen something like that?
[04:56] <Sharn> Rofl. ^++
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> yeah
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> but I'd check with another tool
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> make sure its real
[04:56] <Eagle_101> whats another tool?
[04:56] <Sharn> Unless you need it, don't worry about it. :P
[04:56] <Sharn> Er
[04:57] <Sharn> I wouldn't wory about it*
[04:57] <Eagle_101> lol
[04:57] <Sharn> How much total?
[04:57] <Eagle_101> well I was planning on 14 GB, but If I have an extra 7, I would do 20 :D
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> I'd certainly worry about it
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> you know how big the drive is physically?
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> yeah really 7gb is a couple movies. heh
[04:58] <Sharn> But yeah, 7Gb is a huge bonus on 14Gb
[04:58] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom: no not really, as this computer is a gift
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> is it a dell?
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> or hp
[04:58] <Eagle_101> no
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> or something like that?
[04:58] <Eagle_101> its a compaq
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> thats something like that
[04:59] <Eagle_101> hah
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> some of the manufactorers hae a hidden partition
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> that has recovery data
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> this sounds a bit too big
[04:59] <Sharn> As in a gift you're getting or giving? Easiest would be to physically check it and see if it's supposed to be 20gb
[04:59] <Eagle_101> ah righto
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> but maybe something like that?
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> either way, I'd say use it.. but I'd make another partition program tell me it exists first
[04:59] <Eagle_101> well this is 7.85 GB
[04:59] <R[a] ndom> and it isnt just gparted being nutty
[04:59] <Eagle_101> yeah, we have a second program I can check?
[05:00] <Sharn> And yeah, as R[a] ndom said, a few companys give you a hidden partition with restore files instead of giving you a CD. Go figure.
[05:00] <Eagle_101> oh I got CD
[05:00] <Eagle_101> recovery CD
[05:00] <Sharn> They still may have... how old is it?
[05:00] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, windows would tell you
[05:01] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom: well I'm not sure, windows always reported 37.25
[05:01] <R[a] ndom> youd have to launch the partition manager
[05:01] <Eagle_101> this is 7 in addition
[05:01] <R[a] ndom> administrative tools or something like that
[05:01] <Eagle_101> any way to double check from linux?
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> fdisk
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> assuming gparted doesnt use fdisk
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> assuming its the first hard drive
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> fdisk /dev/hda
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> p
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> will print out the partitions
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> q to exit
[05:02] <R[a] ndom> need to be root for it to work
[05:03] <Eagle_101> I'm root
[05:03] <R[a] ndom> then that should work
[05:05] <Eagle_101> odd
[05:05] <Eagle_101> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4862.
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> why weird?
[05:05] <Eagle_101> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[05:05] <Eagle_101> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[05:05] <Eagle_101> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[05:05] <Eagle_101> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
[05:05] <Eagle_101>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[05:05] <Eagle_101> :S
[05:05] <Eagle_101> no size count
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 36483.
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> normal
[05:05] <R[a] ndom> we dont care about size so much
[05:06] <R[a] ndom> is there an empty chunk like gparted said?
[05:06] <Eagle_101> thats all I got
[05:06] <R[a] ndom> type p
[05:06] <R[a] ndom> then hit enter
[05:06] <R[a] ndom> now tell me :)
[05:06] <Eagle_101> *thud*
[05:07] <R[a] ndom> ..?
[05:08] <Eagle_101> its got to be it being wierd
[05:08] <Eagle_101> ./dev/hda1   *           1        4863    39062016    7  HPFS/NTFS
[05:08] <Eagle_101> by sudo fdisk -l
[05:09] <Eagle_101> oh dear
[05:09] <Eagle_101> typing in p
[05:09] <Eagle_101> and I don't even get a correct table
[05:10] <R[a] ndom> oh noez?
[05:10] <Eagle_101> somewhere I can paste to?
[05:10] <Eagle_101> I'd rather not flood
[05:10] <Eagle_101> its in the title >.>
[05:11] <Sharn> !paste
[05:11] <Sharn> Dangit
[05:11] <Eagle_101> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8178/
[05:12] <Sharn> Yeah,t hat.
[05:12] <Eagle_101> ok, so is gparted being full of crap?
[05:13] <Eagle_101> and thanks Sharn
[05:14] <Sharn> I'm looking, but I doubt I'll know what I'm looking for.
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> wow
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> dont do anything man
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> thats not a good sign
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> that doesnt fill me with confidence
[05:14] <Eagle_101> nor me
[05:14] <R[a] ndom> boot into windows and see what it thinks about the partitions
[05:15] <Eagle_101> so am I screwed here?
[05:15] <Eagle_101> ok, I will be back soon... I hope...
[05:15] <R[a] ndom> heh as long as you didnt save any changes ;)
[05:15] <Eagle_101> I did not save anything on this session :D
[05:27] <j1mc> i've added the proper repositories, but adobe "acroread" isn't available in feisty.
[05:32] <Eagle_101> ok I'm back R[a] ndom
[05:32] <Eagle_101> windows on load went into a huge fit with checking disk integrity
[05:33] <Eagle_101> now whats the windows partition app?
[05:33] <R[a] ndom> control panel
[05:33] <R[a] ndom> uh.. administration tools or something?
[05:33] <R[a] ndom> I havent used windows in years
[05:34] <R[a] ndom> theres an admin panel that its in tho
[05:34] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom yeah I know bad place to ask :P
[05:34] <jdrake> Administration Tools, and Computer Management
[05:34] <R[a] ndom> blamo
[05:34] <jdrake> There is a disk manager in there.
[05:34] <R[a] ndom> look how close I was
[05:34] <Eagle_101> :D
[05:35] <Eagle_101> thanks I'm really thankful for R[a] ndom's catch
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> I wouldnt want anyone to go through the 5 stages of data loss
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> it was particularily painful for me
[05:35] <Eagle_101> heh
[05:35] <Eagle_101> thanks
[05:35] <R[a] ndom> as I had an mp3 collection I'd been workin on since the late 90s on that drive that I lost
[05:36] <Eagle_101> ow
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> 10 years worth of collection and sorting, gone in a flurry of formatted sectors
[05:36] <jdrake> I wish I could have that happen. I would save lots of disk space.
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> jdrake, I got 300gbs free that evening
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> that was less than 6 months ago
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> since then IVe added another 500gb
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> and im full again :)
[05:36] <R[a] ndom> I blame it on private torrent sites
[05:36] <jdrake> Once I decided to remove all of my movies/episodes, I now always have lots of space.
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> I had never heard of them before a few months ago
[05:37] <Eagle_101> ok this is what I got from windows
[05:37] <jdrake> In fact I have been working on reducing my 18gb collection to its current 14gb.
[05:37] <Eagle_101> I'm manually typing this... as there is no easy copy paste
[05:37] <jdrake> I have a 250gb taking part in a 120gb raid1 for some extra redundancy.
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> I wonder how big my tv dir is
[05:37] <Eagle_101> Disk 0 || 37.25 GB || Online
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> 256.7gbs
[05:37] <R[a] ndom> heh
[05:38] <Eagle_101> C: || 37.25 GB NTFS || Healthy (System) << like we did not know it was a system but yeah...
[05:38] <jdrake> R[a] ndom: I take the viewpoint that if something wasn't important enough to backup, then you don't really need it.
[05:38] <Eagle_101> Fault Tolerance || No
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> jdrake, I took the viewpoint that its hard to backup a moving target of 120gbs of data on tiny 4gb disks
[05:39] <jdrake> R[a] ndom: Harddrives are cheap
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> no they arent
[05:39] <Eagle_101> its laid out as a partition
[05:39] <Eagle_101> and thats all the info windows is spitting out
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> not for me anyway, I have to buy food with that money
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> yeah Eagle_101 thats weird
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> so each partition program told you something different then?
[05:40] <Eagle_101> basically
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> gconf says you have some free space, fdisk says youre fucked, and windows says you have what you thought you had
[05:40] <jdrake> R[a] ndom: I know what that is like. But for the record, $89cdn for 250gb is pretty darn cheap.
[05:40] <R[a] ndom> it would be cheap if i had that much spare cash
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> but if i had that much spare cash, id put more data on it, as I'm currently full :)
[05:41] <Eagle_101> I'm going to run windows error checking
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> if I had the money, I'd run raid 5 and buy a couple more disks
[05:41] <jdrake> I actually enjoy having some extra money and not spending it. It is a really nice buffer.
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, another possibility is download a boot disk thatll let you see partitions
[05:41] <R[a] ndom> try some more programs :)
[05:42] <Eagle_101> like what! :P
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> jdrake, yeah I enjoy that as well, but I generally have lots of things I'm looking to get
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> i dont waste money on small stuff
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> but buy big ticket stuff once a year
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> sec eagle
[05:42] <jdrake> R[a] ndom: Are you a good consumer?
[05:42] <R[a] ndom> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/  <- see if thats any good, i found it this morning
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> uh depends what you mean
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> good for me, or good for the companies
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> my philosophy with purchasing stuff is that if its worth buying, its worth buying a good one
[05:43] <jdrake> Do you enjoy going out and buying things? That is a moderate consumer, a *good* consumer has good amount of debt to feed the consumption....
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> I wont buy cheap crap thats going to break in a couple months
[05:43] <R[a] ndom> no debt
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> I will not spend money I dont have
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> and I'll only get something if I'm sure its the absolute best option after research/comparing, etc.
[05:44] <jdrake> I have debt as a student, so I have moderated myself a good bit.
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> Im managing to do uni w/o debt, luckily
[05:44] <R[a] ndom> but thats why I have no spare cash
[05:45] <rmathews> I've installed Edgy, it doesn't recognize the onboard sound card, is there any way of figuring out what it is?  I have forgotten ... SiS 630 or 730 or something.
[05:45] <jdrake> I do want to look into a better backup solution, right now I operate on the raid1 (2 disk) setup and having rolling backups of my 512mb flash drive that holds all of my school work.
[05:45] <R[a] ndom> use one of those internet storage thingies
[05:45] <R[a] ndom> as well anyway
[05:45] <R[a] ndom> good offsite backup anyway
[05:46] <R[a] ndom> and raid 5 is the sex.
[05:46] <jdrake> I will probably start separating my flash backups into apps and data. The data would then be small enough that I could keep one or two copies off site.
[05:46] <Eagle_101> ok, should I have windows do error checking on the drive?
[05:46] <jdrake> What is a good inexpensive card that is true hardware raid5?
[05:46] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, thatll just check windows' partition
[05:46] <R[a] ndom> jdrake, dunno, havent set one up
[05:46] <rmathews> if there isn't ... which live cd distro has the largest collection of drivers so I can like atleast figure out what it is. :)
[05:46] <R[a] ndom> just talked to people with some wicked raid5 setups
[05:47] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, you look at that boot disk I found?
[05:47] <R[a] ndom> it looks amazing
[05:47] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom I'm sorry you found something?
[05:47] <R[a] ndom> <R[a] ndom> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/  <- see if thats any good, i found it this morning
[05:47] <Eagle_101> ah yeah I see now
[05:48] <R[a] ndom> it looks like the god of boot disks
[05:48] <R[a] ndom> I downloaded it but havent burnt it yet
[05:48] <Eagle_101> lol
[05:49] <Eagle_101> it does
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> that part is easy once youre sure your drive wont be wiped by the resize
[05:50] <Eagle_101> heh
[05:50] <magic_ninja> hey are the new nvidia glx and kernel mods updates working?
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> anyway, I have a midterm tomorrow, so I should really go smoke a bowl and try to get some sleep ;)
[05:50] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom I know for sure that the data is at the *front* of the drive
[05:50] <magic_ninja> smoke one for me
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> Eagle_101, even so, if the partitions are messed up, weird shit can happen
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> I'll do my best :P
[05:51] <Eagle_101> ok
[05:51] <Eagle_101> R[a] ndom I will look for you here tommorrow or this weekend :S
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> but you already backed up anyway, right :)
[05:51] <Eagle_101> I'm really confued
[05:51] <Eagle_101> yeah I did
[05:51] <Eagle_101> :P
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> then you can always just give'er
[05:51] <Eagle_101> but I would rather keep windows
[05:51] <Eagle_101> and not have to re-install that
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> iwishiwasntstuck@hotmail.com <- my msn if you want
[05:51] <Eagle_101> :P
[05:51] <Eagle_101> sure :D
[05:51] <Eagle_101> thanks
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> I get some perverse joy out of helping noobs
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> :)
[05:52] <Eagle_101> :D
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> the weird thing is nobody takes me up on it IRL, even ppl struggling w. linux
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> but I digress
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> I was going away, like the [a]  in my name says I already am.
[05:57] <Eagle_101> well I'm going to let windows repair itself, can't hurt
[06:15] <krash123> !samba
[06:15] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:19] <Eagle_101> windows says its all ok :S
[06:29] <krash123> i cant add wine's key -.-
[06:29] <Eagle_101> :S
[06:29] <krash123> YEAH :D
[06:29] <maxamillion> wine's key?
[06:30] <krash123> ignore me lol
[06:30] <krash123> im too exited cause i finally have my beryl , so i forget commands xD
[06:30] <krash123> i (L) beryl xDD
[06:30] <maxamillion> beryl is over rated
[06:31] <krash123> i could be all the day rotating the cube lol
[06:31] <maxamillion> i will say that until i am blue in the face
[06:31] <Eagle_101> !beryl
[06:31] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:31] <krash123> why do you think that maxi ?
[06:33] <krash123> the only problem i've had with beryl is the blur settings :S
[06:33] <krash123> they dont work..
[06:33] <krash123> and also
[06:33] <maxamillion> krash123: because i think there are far more important things that need to be worked on in the linux desktop world than 3d eye candy
[06:34] <maxamillion> and in general ... i didn't find myself using its features
[06:34] <krash123> believe me, if you want more customers , beryl is like a magneto :P
[06:35] <Eagle_101> anyway I'm going to the live cd to see if I'm daring enough to do this >.>
[06:35] <krash123> is samba hard to use ?
[06:37] <maxamillion> krash123: in xubuntu? .. i little, but only for now ... it should be easier in feisty
[06:37] <maxamillion> krash123: i don't want customers, i want a desktop operating system that functions like it should (which i think fiesty will be much closer to)
[06:38] <krash123> but they aint working for you..
[06:38] <krash123> they work for a dream
[06:38] <krash123> lol
[06:39] <krash123> so, does something on your configuration change when you update ?
[06:40] <maxamillion> no
[06:40] <krash123> or its like a new clean system install ?
[06:40] <maxamillion> it stays the way you have it
[06:40] <krash123> :)
[06:40] <krash123> better that :)
[06:40] <krash123> is it possible
[06:41] <krash123> to share an internet conexion with my bro ?
[06:41] <krash123> (he has win )
[06:41] <krash123> and he gives me the conexion..
[06:42] <maxamillion> yeah, if he has the connection and gives it to you everything should be fine
[06:42] <maxamillion> otherwise you would have to config some stuffs
[06:42] <maxamillion> i gotta run
[06:57] <krash123> bye
[06:57] <Eagle_101> what was the manual command to see whats in a partition?
[07:07] <Eagle_101> ok I've set the partitions, I'm going to leave this in over night and think about this >.>
[07:26] <Eagle_101> what is the difference between creating something as a primary versus a secondary partition?
[07:27] <Eagle_101> !gparted
[07:27] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:28] <BFTD> primary will be the first, secondary will be the next one
[07:28] <BFTD> some OS's need a primary though
[07:31] <Eagle_101> BFTD, so for configuring ubuntu, I want it on primary right?
[07:31] <BFTD> Eagle_101 if you want, it isn't needed though
[07:32] <BFTD> I usually put windows on the primary if I'm dual booting
[07:32] <BFTD> but if not, then Linux should be
[07:32] <Eagle_101> right so each computer only has one primary?
[07:32] <Eagle_101> I'm trying to configure this now ;)
[07:35] <Eagle_101> Is there a decent something I can read on this before I manage to totally mess my computer up? The stuff I've read has not been ubuntu specific
[11:22] <joachimheck> hi
[11:23] <joachimheck> I got a little question: How to install kile under Xubuntu?
[11:25] <grazie> joachimheck: Is it not in the repos?
[11:25] <grazie> !kile ! joachimheck
[11:25] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB
[11:25] <joachimheck> oh I see, I have to activate the universe packages right?
[11:26] <grazie> yeah
[11:26] <joachimheck> OK, thanks a lot
[01:32] <xdx> hi, where can i put new themes in xubuntu ?
[01:35] <TheSheep> xdx: unpack them to ~/.themes
[01:36] <xdx> ok, thanks
[01:48] <gfhfgs> Im trying to burn a live Cd
[01:49] <gfhfgs> but what do I burn from the package that i downloaded?
[01:50] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: you downloaded an .iso file, right?
[01:50] <j1mc> gfhf
[01:50] <j1mc> gfhfgs: are you on windows?
[01:53] <gfhfgs> yes
[01:54] <gfhfgs> its actually a zip file called "ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso"
[01:54] <gfhfgs> and im on windoews
[01:54] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: it's not a zip file
[01:54] <j1mc> where did you download the zip file from?
[01:55] <j1mc> TheSheep: I agree, it's probably not a zip file, but just looks like it could be unpacked using winzip or something.
[01:55] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: in the burning program you need to choose "burn image file" or something like that, and select the .iso file
[01:55] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: it's a disk image file
[01:56] <TheSheep> !iso
[01:56] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[01:56] <TheSheep> !burn | gfhfgs
[01:56] <j1mc> gfhfgs: what burning program do you have?
[01:56] <ubotu> gfhfgs: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[02:01] <j1mc> i get corrupt packages when i do test installs on my thinkpad t22 laptop, but the cd image is confirmed good (md5sum and disk check) from my desktop.  do you think i have a bad dvd drive on my laptop?
[02:02] <TheSheep> j1mc: try checking the disk in the laptop
[02:03] <TheSheep> j1mc: it might be just dirty
[02:03] <j1mc> TheSheep: you mean, just checking to see if the bottom of the CD is dirty?
[02:03] <j1mc> or check the lens of the DVD drive?
[02:03] <gfhfgs> so the actual iso is in the zip file, right?
[02:04] <j1mc> the cd is clean
[02:04] <j1mc> gfhfgs: no, as long as there is no other exention on the file, other than ISO, that _is_the file you need to burn
[02:04] <j1mc> exention = extension (sorry)
[02:05] <j1mc> meaning, if it just says blahblah-i386.iso . . . that IS your image that you need to burn.
[02:05] <j1mc> do not unzip it.
[02:05] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: no
[02:05] <j1mc> gfhfgs: if you unzip it, it won't work.
[02:05] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: the actual iso is the file you downloaded
[02:06] <TheSheep> j1mc: yeah, I meant the lens
[02:06] <TheSheep> j1mc: checking the cd in the laptop should give you a hint
[02:06] <j1mc> TheSheep: thanks.
[02:07] <j1mc> i'll have to try some of that "compressed air in a can" stuff.
[02:07] <gfhfgs> okay when i try to burn the disk
[02:07] <gfhfgs> i get an error saying that the size of the file is not valid
[02:07] <j1mc> gfhfgs: what program are you using to burn the disk?
[02:07] <gfhfgs> Burncdcc
[02:09] <TheSheep> gfhfgs: you need a 700MB cd, not 640MB
[02:09] <j1mc> gfhfgs: see here: http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm#BurnCDCC
[02:11] <j1mc> i've got to get going, all.  gfhfgs . . . good luck!  i'm sure you'll figure it out.  :)
[02:12] <gfhfgs> alrighty thank you
[02:26] <j1mc> exit
[02:36] <gopp> hey
[02:36] <gopp> what the best way to manage samba
[02:37] <gopp> the file sharing ulity
[02:37] <gopp> I added a folder to share, but in windows
[02:37] <gopp> it keep asking me for a pass I type it but it say wrong
[02:38] <gopp> !swat
[02:38] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:46] <rmathews> how do I get sound working on Xubuntu Edgy.  I have an old SiS 630/730 motherboard with an on board card.  Not sure what chipset .. think it is 7018 or 7012 .. any ideas?
[02:51] <rmathews_> how do I get sound working on Xubuntu Edgy.  I have an old SiS 630/730 motherboard with an on board card.  Not sure what chipset .. think it is 7018 or 7012 .. any ideas? (was disconnected)
[02:52] <TheSheep> rmathews_: if it's not working right out of the box, you might try and search the forums for your sound card model
[02:53] <rmathews_> TheSheep: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ ??
[04:32] <ideogram> how's feisty fawn coming?
[05:01] <ffxr> hi are u able to change the color of the the xfce panels.. or even better use an image instaed?
[05:02] <Eagle_PC> ffxr: I think thats themes
[05:02] <Eagle_PC> but I don't know myself
[05:02] <ideogram> what is the best way to enable my dual monitors on my nvidia card?
[05:05] <ffxr> ok Eagle_PC ll have a nose.. there must be some kind of hack somewhere to get it done..
[05:05] <ffxr> ideogram use the propierotry nvidia drivers from there site.. theyhave an applet that will make that easy..
[05:05] <Eagle_PC> ffxr: try searching for something under themes
[05:06] <ideogram> do I have to get it from nvidia direct or can I use the restricted repository?
[05:07] <ffxr> direct.. ll get you a link.. u sure u dont have that applet in your system settings already..?
[05:07] <ffxr> yeah thanks Eagle_PC
[05:07] <ideogram> I am looking at display and desktop preferences ... don't see it
[05:08] <Eagle_PC> ffxr: did you find it?
[05:09] <ffxr> ideogram install the drivers as per option2 here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy
[05:11] <ffxr> Eagle_PC, no ll have a wonder round google in a bit.... mentioning themes will give me few more ideas for my searches ; s)
[05:11] <Eagle_PC> ah
[05:11] <Eagle_PC> ffxr:  from what I understand, you *should* be able to change the defualt
[05:59] <Eagle_PC> ffxr: here I found something that might help you http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#how_to_install_new_themes
[06:02] <ffxr> ahh right good man.. ll have a look..in a mo..  been moving pc : D
[06:33] <malnilion> Anybody have any idea why I'd have problems with Amarok not being able to "initialize any audio drivers"?
[06:45] <grazie> malnilion: probably 'cos it can't find your audio drivers
[06:45] <grazie> malnilion: have you tried another media player?
[06:45] <grazie> malnilion: have you had a kernel update recently?
[06:49] <malnilion> grazie, I've been able to use sound in pretty much everything else (though I might be having problems with other qt programs, I'm not sure)
[06:49] <malnilion> I've had a kernel update relatively recently
[06:49] <malnilion> I also compile my own alsa driver because the vanilla doesn't work with my soundcard.
[06:50] <grazie> malnilion: is sound working now with other apps?
[06:50] <malnilion> Yes, I can open rythmbox and play anything.
[06:51] <malnilion> rhythmbox*
[06:51] <grazie> no idea then...sorry
[06:51] <malnilion> That's okay :)
[06:51] <malnilion> Worse comes to worse I just have to wait a bit to use amaroK
[06:52] <grazie> do you not think exaile is better fit for xubuntu?
[06:53] <malnilion> I think gnome is still missing a good audio application.  I want to adjust the look of my player for chrissake.
[06:53] <malnilion> amaroK isn't much better for configuration, but it is by default closer to what I would like.
[06:58] <malnilion> *sigh* I dunno, lots of players are really close to looking the way I would ideally set them up to look, but all slightly fall short.
[07:06] <R[zzzz] ndom> you try different engines for amarok?
[07:37] <malnilion> R[studying] ndom, that'd be possible if I could open amaroK :)
[07:37] <malnilion> Currently amaroK does not open due to not finding audio drivers.
[08:06] <massctrl> Hello all, how can I change my keyboard layout in xubuntu?
[08:31] <globe> can anybody help me reinstall the nvidia drivers after dist-upgrade?  the installer is giving me errors
[08:39] <grazie> globe: you've had a kernel upgrade?
[08:39] <BFTD> globe can we see the errors?
[08:39] <globe> grazie: yep
[08:40] <globe> um...I can try.  I am stuck in tty mode.  basically what is happening is that X is rejecting the nvidia driver
[08:41] <BFTD> so you don't have GUI atm?
[08:41] <globe> so, I re-dl it and the installer can't find the linux-sources
[08:41] <globe> BFTD...I can get a limpy one using the nv driver
[08:41] <BFTD> globe try this command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[08:41] <BFTD> same thing
[08:41] <BFTD> basically
[08:42] <globe> I'd like to get the nvidia binary drivers so I have opengl support
[08:42] <BFTD> nvidia-glx allows ogpengl support
[08:42] <BFTD> you jsut have to install a few extra opengl lib's
[08:43] <ephemeros> hey
[08:43] <globe> is it enough to run beryl?
[08:43] <BFTD> hi
[08:43] <grazie> globe: have you not fetched updated nvidia binaries?
[08:43] <R[studying] ndom> the repo ones are the same as the nvidia ones on the site
[08:43] <BFTD> globe yes it is
[08:43] <globe> grazie: it wants to compile the drivers ... I dl from nvidia.com the installer.sh file
[08:44] <globe> BFTD: whats the driver for the .conf file? nvidia-glx?
[08:44] <BFTD> globe I'm not sure where the .conf file is, I thought it was just part of xorg.conf
[08:45] <globe> yea, thats what I meant.  apt-get nvidia-glx tells me it has unmet dependencies: nvidia-kernel
[08:46] <globe> (which, i think, is what the installer is trying to compile)
[08:46] <grazie> globe: not really following...if your kernel has been updated just install updated nvidia driver as you did first time round
[08:47] <BFTD> globe apt-get isn't able to get the kernel source....thats your problem
[08:48] <globe> yea, thats what I am trying to do ;-).  Last time I downloaded the nvidia batch file and it installed it and configured x....this time it wants to find the linux kernel sources and cant
[08:48] <BFTD> did you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[08:48] <globe> BFTD: the linux or nvidia source?
[08:48] <BFTD> globe linux
[08:50] <globe> the update succeded, its upgrading now...does that upgrade everything in my sources list?
[08:51] <BFTD> globe yes
[08:51] <globe> that'll be nice...apt has been messed up for awhile now.  didn't think the two problems could be related
[08:53] <grazie> globe: very much so :(
[08:58] <globe> okay...the upgrade finished, but apt still cant install nvidia-glx (and the nvidia installer also still cant find the linux kernel sources)
[08:59] <BFTD> globe did you enable multiverse and universe in the sources.list?
[09:00] <globe> BFTD: yep...about 6 months ago (maybe they need to be updated?).  I have linux-source installed (just verified), shouldn't that be the kernel sources?
[09:00] <BFTD> yeah lionux source is kernel source
[09:01] <BFTD> linux
[09:01] <BFTD> globe you running dapper?
[09:01] <globe> um....edgy i think....I can never remember
[09:01] <globe> (what happened to version numbers?)
[09:04] <grazie> globe: it's linux-headers that's important....check you /var/log/dpkg.log to see whether they've been updated
[09:05] <grazie> globe: 6.06=dapper, 6.10=edgy
[09:07] <globe> it looks like linux-headers-2.6.17.11 was updated today
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> Say, 350 - 400 MHz PII, how would Xubuntu do on that?  Usable, iffy, fantastic?
[09:08] <R[studying] ndom> I'd say iffy to usable
[09:08] <R[studying] ndom> but what do i know
[09:08] <R[studying] ndom> ive never tried
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> All right.
[09:09] <R[studying] ndom> if I were to do that, I wouldnt use xfce tho
[09:09] <R[studying] ndom> I'd probably use a lighter weight manager
[09:09] <grazie> globe: lots of folks having problems with nvidia driver.s..check out the forums....you should be ok with the old kernel though
[09:09] <R[studying] ndom> but try it, and it its slow, try another WM :)
[09:09] <BFTD> I have a 400MHz CPU that runs XFCE just fine
[09:10] <globe> grazie: lol...is anyone solving their problems?  thanks for ur help....ill search and poke around in there
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> R[studying] ndom: Problem is, it's for very non-tech savvy folks, so it needs to be easy and friendly
[09:10] <R[studying] ndom> BFTD, excellent. I'll say that next time :)
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: Good to know.  Thanks.
[09:11] <grazie> globe: I'm sure someone must have a workaround...I just don't know what is it
[09:13] <grazie> globe: if you can't find a solution...I'd been tempted to build my own kernel
[09:14] <globe> grazie: I might do that (though i've never done such things...sounds fun though :-D)
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to get Xubuntu via ShipIt if it's a bulk order for a charity?  (I know you can't normally)
[09:26] <tonyyarusso> MagicFab: Any chance you'd be privy to this?  "Is there an announcement pending soon?  (I just saw a note on ML so far)"
[09:27] <MagicFab> to what ? I must have missed some...
[09:28] <MagicFab> tonyyarusso, ^^
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> lol
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> I gotta remember how many things to scroll up...
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> "Is it possible to get Xubuntu via ShipIt if it's a bulk order for a charity?  (I know you can't normally)", rather.
[09:38] <Eagle_101> how do you tell what xubuntu version you are on... from inside the live CD?
[09:38] <ST47> 6.10
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> Eagle_101: lsb_release -a
[09:39] <Eagle_101> thanks
[09:39] <Eagle_101> ST47:  I just want to confirm thats what I have
[09:39] <globe> yesssssssssssss!  I finally got nvidia to compile!  (thanks all 4 your help)
[09:39] <ST47> I hate nvidia
[09:40] <Eagle_101> ok just a note, I'm on 6.10 but In FF ( file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ) I'm being welcomed to 6.06
[09:41] <Eagle_101> thats what had me worried ;)
[09:50] <grazie> Eagle_101: it's just a known documentation bug
[09:53] <Buddha|> anybody know anything about data recovery?
[09:54] <hyper__ch> Buddha|: I know that one should do regular backups.. I make every 6h a fullbackup
[10:02] <grazie> Buddha|: not something you can describe with a few irc mesages...what's the problem?
[10:06] <Eagle_101> grazie heh
[10:06] <Eagle_101> R[studying] ndom: I'm doing that partitioning I we were talking about yestereday
[10:08] <grazie> Eagle_101: hi there
[10:08] <hyper__ch> Eagle_101: you made a backup first?
[10:09] <Eagle_101> hyper__ch: duh :P
[10:10] <hyper__ch> Eagle_101: before you are going to alter partitions it's always good to make a backup of the important data :)
[10:14] <Eagle_101> hyper__ch:  hehe
[10:15] <hyper__ch> well, you might f***** the other partitions on that drive... or unfortunately partition the wrong drive (I did that once....)
[10:15] <Buddha|> grazie - accidentally started installing Linux on my data drive
[10:17] <Eagle_101> hah
[10:17] <Eagle_101> well I'm re-booting and seeing if windows happens to be in one piece or not... not like I'm going to miss it anyway :P
[10:17] <Buddha|> I had a Debian install that I somehow managed to break, so I decided to install Elive on it.  I coudln't get that to work, so I installed Zenwalk instead.  Unfortunately, Elive and Zenwalk read the drives in reverse order, so what Elive saw as sda, Zenwalk saw as sdc.
[10:18] <slv> hey... so i did "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" on my current ubuntu intsall... now how do i enable it?
[10:18] <hyper__ch> slv: log out of your gnome/kde
[10:18] <hyper__ch> and at the login manager select as session Xfce4
[10:19] <slv> ok brb
[10:23] <slv> how can i check to see if i'm running Xfce instead of gnome? according to the login menu it looks like it, but everything else looks the exact same
[10:23] <grazie> Buddha|: If the linux installation got as far as formating the partition you've got big problems, although all may not be lost.
[10:23] <grazie> Buddha|:  You easily check your disk with a live cd
[10:25] <slv> cooL! i got it working
[10:25] <slv> now how do i get the quick app launchers i had in ubuntu? along the top of the screen
[10:27] <slv> am i going to have to manually recreate them all?
[10:29] <hyper__ch> slv: yes, you have to do that
[10:29] <Buddha|> grazie - I got Zenwalk installed and running.  The disk seems to be blank.  Guess I should pull out my book on data recovery.
[10:30] <Buddha|> I *did* just graduate with a Bachelor's degree in Information Systems Security, after all.  Looks like it's time to use some of that training.
[10:32] <hyper__ch> well, good luck Buddha|
[10:32] <slv> ahhh for real hyper___CH? crap
[10:33] <slv> that's gonna be annoying but oh well, thanks
[10:33] <hyper__ch> slv: it's not that bad... normally as app you just enter it's name :)
[10:34] <grazie> Buddha|: if you want to recover the data, you'll a least need a separate partition, but preferably a recovery data disk. Best of luck
[10:36] <grazie> Buddha|: a book on computer forensics may be a worthwhile investment
[10:45] <ffxr> hi, is possible to change the background color or even use an image as a background in thunar?
[10:45] <TheSheep> ffxr: in window? no.
[10:46] <TheSheep> ffxr: you can change the color in the gtk theme
[10:46] <TheSheep> ffxr: but you'd have to know the widget name
[10:46] <hyper__ch> hello TheSheep
[10:46] <TheSheep> hi hyper__ch
[10:46] <ffxr> ive just changed the color of panels using panel.rc.. so to change thunar's color should be along the same lines...?
[10:47] <dotsony> i'm trying to compile some software, but the ./configure script is telling me that the C compiler cannot make executables
[10:47] <dotsony> "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[10:47] <ffxr> sorry gtkrc
[10:47] <ffxr> : )
[10:47] <TheSheep> dotsony: install the 'build-essential' package
[10:48] <dotsony> it is installed
[10:48] <TheSheep> ffxr: yes, you can put it into the gtkrc or into your theme
[10:48] <ffxr> ok.. nice one fella : D
[10:48] <dotsony> i'm updating it
[10:48] <dotsony> the relevant line in config.log is
[10:48] <dotsony> configure:3150: gcc    conftest.c  >&5
[10:49] <dotsony> as: unrecognized option `-Qy'
[11:01] <Koji-Murasame> When is Herd5 coming out for Xubuntu?
[11:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Koji-Murasame: It is out. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-5/
[11:24] <Koji-Murasame> Thanks PuMpErNiCkLe I couldn't find it.
[11:53] <atarinox> hi i'm struggling here trying to access my windows network from Xubuntu
[11:55] <grazie> give up :)
[11:57] <H264> better
[11:57] <H264> #ubuntu is way too crouded
[11:57] <grazie> isn't it always?
[11:57] <H264> *crowded
[11:58] <H264> Don't know...
[11:58] <grazie> it is
[11:58] <H264> anyway
[11:58] <H264> does anybody know where I might find a nice picture to put on a CD as a lable for ubuntu?
[11:58] <H264> just a nice lable picture
[11:59] <H264> or xubuntu or kubuntu or edubuntu :)
[11:59] <Koji-Murasame> I saw one the other day let me see if I can find it again.
[11:59] <H264> and works too
[11:59] <H264> ok
[12:00] <Koji-Murasame> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285051
[12:00] <H264> *click*
[12:01] <Koji-Murasame> There's a Kubuntu label father down as well
[12:02] <H264> bah
[12:02] <H264> won't let me look at it without regestering
[12:03] <Koji-Murasame> Sorry.
[12:04] <H264> hmm
[12:04] <H264> they don't sell information to script kiddies do thay?
[12:04] <H264> ;)
[12:11] <H264> regestering, now...
[12:11] <H264> thanks :)
[12:12] <Koji-Murasame> Glad to help.
[12:12] <Eagle_101> R[studying] ndom, Its working :D
[12:12] <Eagle_101> Thanks for your help with the partitions
[12:18] <lypsis> someone in here already using feisty fawn ?
[12:18] <BFTD> I need to set up my account so that I can telnet into it
[12:18] <Koji-Murasame> I've got Herd4 on LiveCD, and I'm downloading 5 as we speak
[12:19] <lypsis> what r the big chances ?
[12:19] <lypsis> the big improvements
[12:19] <Koji-Murasame> XFCE 4.4
[12:19] <lypsis> dont know whether i should test livecd or wait til final
[12:19] <Koji-Murasame> Firefox 2.0.0.2
[12:19] <lypsis> yeah, heard a lot of it, definitely great
[12:22] <H264> Koji: do you want me to put you in as the person that refered me to the forum?
[12:23] <Koji-Murasame> lol. I don't care. If you want to.
[12:23] <Eagle_101> ok, in XChat anyone know how to make the window on the left hand side disappear? (the one with "freenode" in it?
[12:23] <H264> I need user name Ideas
[12:25] <grazie> H264
[12:25] <H264> heh
[12:25] <lypsis> Eagle_101: options, there u can change where the window should be