[12:13] <Josh1337> MP3 playback plugin help
[12:13] <Josh1337> I need help with the mp3 plugin
[12:13] <grego> plugin for?
[12:13] <Josh1337> mp3 playback
[12:13] <grego> which player?
[12:13] <Josh1337> any player
[12:14] <grego> O__o
[12:14] <Alumin> is there a way to lie to APT and tell it you have a package installed when you don't?
[12:14] <grego> rotfl
[12:14] <Josh1337> Ummm Kaffeine
[12:14] <grego> what for? -->alumin?
[12:14] <Alumin> like, say I don't have the PHP package installed
[12:15] <Alumin> because I'm using a custom compile in /usr/local/src
[12:15] <grego> kaffeinre for mp3?
[12:15] <Josh1337> yeh
[12:15] <grego> youre weird
[12:15] <grego> just instal xine extras
[12:15] <compilerwriter> I need to do something for about DST here soon and am not sure what.
[12:15] <Alumin> but then APT doesn't want to upgrade certain packages because of dependencies that don't resolve because "I don't have PHP installed"
[12:15] <Josh1337> xine?
[12:15] <grego> and play them with amarok
[12:15] <Josh1337> k ill google it
[12:15] <grego> >__>
[12:15] <grego> sudo apt-get libxine-extras
[12:15] <grego> i think so..
[12:16] <grego> give me a sec
[12:16] <Josh1337> k
[12:16] <ccc> Josh1337: amarok is the best music player ever imo. try it if you haven't already
[12:16] <Josh1337> its installed but it cant play mp3's
[12:17] <Josh1337> im new to the whole Linux thing so if i affend anybody with my stupid questions im sry
[12:17] <ccc> i thought kubuntu-amarok asks if you want mp3 codecs installed at first startup and does the job for you?
[12:17] <grego> libxine-extracodecs
[12:17] <grego> yeah
[12:17] <grego> it asks
[12:17] <Alumin> yeah amaroK FTW
[12:17] <grego> but it dont work
[12:17] <grego> just hangs
[12:17] <grego> and only newest version
[12:17] <ccc> worked for me iirc
[12:17] <SolidSource> ccc: it doesn't ask until you add an MP3 to the playlist
[12:18] <ccc> ok
[12:18] <grego> just install libxine-extracodecs
[12:18] <compilerwriter> I went into the system settings to try to figure things out, but am not certain of what I should do.  There are two Eastern Time Zones in it.  There is one for Detroit, MI.  There is also one for Indiana, EST.  Michicgan has followed DST for years whilst Indiana just joined the band wagon last year.  So it begs the question;  Should I set myself to Detroit or Indiana?
[12:18] <Josh1337> how do i do that
[12:18] <grego> from terminal
[12:18] <Josh1337> yeh im in the terminal
[12:18] <grego> sudo apt-get libxine-extracodecs
[12:19] <grego> and type your password
[12:19] <grego> oh
[12:19] <grego> i forgot
[12:19] <compilerwriter> josh1337 We were all new to computers of any sort at one time.  You should find us mostly polite and helpful here.
[12:19] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: set it to which is ever closer to where you live
[12:19] <grego> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:20] <Josh1337> thx that one works
[12:20] <grego> unix commands makes me horny..
[12:20] <grego> touch touch
[12:20] <grego> su
[12:21] <compilerwriter> SolidSource I live smack dab in Indiana.  The question is basically that I am guessing that EST is set to compensate for DST and the other EST is not, or would the Ubuntu Immortals have noticed and fixed this already?
[12:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter heh yeah.  and the better question "why daylightsavings time exists anyway"
[12:21] <Josh1337> k ill brb im going to log on with my linux box
[12:22] <linux_> k im back
[12:23] <linux_> josh1337 is now linux
[12:23] <Alumin> have to admit, I didn't think I'd ever see the word "horny" in this channel
[12:23] <linux_> ok its not working
[12:23] <linux_> it gave me an error
[12:23] <grego> :D
[12:23] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: time zones don't follow straight lines....so the hills/bluffs/mountains/whatever cause them to be seperated
[12:23] <linux_> linux@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:23] <linux_> Reading package lists... Done
[12:24] <linux_> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:24] <linux_> libxine-extracodecs is already the newest version.
[12:24] <linux_> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[12:24] <linux_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:24] <linux_>   libxine-extracodecs: Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going to be installed
[12:24] <linux_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:24] <linux_> linux@ubuntu:~$
[12:24] <intelikey> Alumin and what is it that compels you to admit that ?
[12:24] <Alumin> linux_: FYI, you'll want to use a pastebin if you're sending >3 lines
[12:24] <Alumin> intelikey: I dunno, surprise?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> linux , use pastebin pls , don't flood the channel
[12:25] <linux_> sry
[12:25] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[12:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:25] <grego> oh god...
[12:25] <grego> what a flood..
[12:25] <compilerwriter> To make matters worse there is another EST for Indiana that is labeled for the quaint little burg of Marengo, in Crawford County.  That se section of IN used to follow Ohio into DST but since the whole state, save a very few of the western counties that follow CDT, does so now its existence is really moot.
[12:25] <intelikey> grego you can get kicked out of here for two lines....
[12:25] <grego> wow
[12:25] <grego> gotta remember that
[12:25] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: does it really matter?
[12:25] <grego> >__>
[12:25] <Alumin> two lines is a bit harsh
[12:26] <intelikey> depends on whom is watching
[12:26] <ccc> linux_: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:26] <ccc> as it suggests
[12:26] <Alumin> unless they're like 8000-character lines :)
[12:26] <intelikey> Alumin server will cut a line at -420 chars
[12:27] <Alumin> linux_: before you proceed, you may want to "sudo apt-get update"
[12:27] <grego> i have hard freeezes >__> during high cpu loads
[12:27] <Alumin> make sure you're working with the most up-to-date package lists
[12:27] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > linux_
[12:27] <grego> on any Ubuntu i tried
[12:27] <grego> ..
[12:28] <linux_> k ill try
[12:29] <intelikey> grego what do you do to get high cpu loads ?
[12:30] <intelikey> grego what do you do to get high cpu loads ?
[12:30] <grego> compilations?
[12:30] <linux_> this is what i did
[12:30] <intelikey> grego you do a lot of compiling on a deb based ditro do you ?
[12:31] <linux_> sudo apt-get update
[12:31] <grego> yeah
[12:31] <linux_> that worked
[12:31] <compilerwriter> SolidSource:  I am well aware of that.  I am a denizen of Indiana who happens to have relatives in Marengo.  I live near Indianapolis, which, up until last year, did not change its clocks.  Meanwhile my aunt and uncle and cousins did change their clocks.  All of this occured in the Southeastern part of the state in the megaopolis formed by Cincinnati, Louisville, and the nearby Indiana counties.  Then on the western
[12:31] <compilerwriter> parts of the state there were the counties that tried to stay in sync with whatever Chicago was doing.  I am well aware of the hills and valleys.  I am just now baffled as to what to set things to so that come 11 March at 01:59 my computer resets itself to 11 March 03:00 in the next minute.
[12:31] <grego> but its matter of choice
[12:31] <grego> dam..
[12:31] <linux_> then i typed sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:32] <linux_> i got an error so then i typed sudo apt-get -f install libxine-extracodecs
[12:32] <linux_> same error :o
[12:32] <grego> which error?
[12:33] <intelikey> grego maybe renice x to a little less nice and renice your make to a little more nice ?
[12:33] <grego> O_o
[12:34] <grego> i dont think that its xs fault
[12:34] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: your state follows DLS, so any city in that state will follow DLS, and if it automatic updates it will do it...if it doesn't, its not that big of a deal to change it manually
[12:34] <linux_> libxine-extracodecs: Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going to be installed
[12:34] <intelikey> grego unless you mean that it hard locks  and stays.
[12:34] <grego> yeah.. total freeeze no cursor i can't even reset xorgs
[12:34] <grego> just Pc reset
[12:35] <intelikey> hmm oh  that sounds more like a libc problem
[12:35] <Alumin> grego: does a SysRq kill work?
[12:35] <grego> what is that?
[12:35] <grego> i dont think so
[12:35] <SolidSource> linux_: then "sudo aptitude install libmad0"
[12:35] <Alumin> go to a virtual terminal
[12:35] <Alumin> and hit Alt-SysRq-M
[12:36] <rolnyzx> does anybody have problems with Open Office when you install and set up MS TTF fonts? Everything looks fine but Open Office. Here is a photo of my desktop  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=408217464&size=o
[12:36] <Alumin> see if it prints some memory statistics
[12:36] <premier_> does anyone know the ubuntu pakages for lineak?
[12:36] <prak> !minicom
[12:36] <ubotu> minicom: friendly menu driven serial communication program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1-10 (edgy), package size 150 kB, installed size 892 kB
[12:36] <prak> !gtkterm
[12:36] <ubotu> gtkterm: A simple GTK+ serial port terminal. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.5-1build1 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 228 kB
[12:36] <linux_> solidsource: its doing all kinds of things
[12:36] <grego> nothing
[12:37] <Alumin> grego: your kernel might not have it I guess
[12:37] <SolidSource> linux_: thats fine...it knows what its doing
[12:37] <prak> does anyone know if gtkterm allows me to flash/upload hex files to an external device connected to a port?
[12:37] <linux_> k it stoped
[12:37] <Alumin> the Alt-SysRq-* commands go straight to the kernel
[12:37] <grego> which kernel option is responsible for that? i can recompile kernel later
[12:37] <intelikey> the low level system inturpretor. the system calls to the kernel.   everything is built on libc.   if doing a build and the box locks up tight  it sounds like something at the lower levels of kernel communications.
[12:38] <Alumin> as a test, you could do your make in a virtual terminal, and if everything tanks you could hit Alt-SysRq-k
[12:38] <Alumin> that will wipe out anything running on that VT unconditionally, unless the kernel is COMPLETELY gone
[12:38] <grego> tanks <--? my english is poor , sorry <__<
[12:38] <Alumin> if the system locks
[12:38] <grego> ok
[12:38] <Alumin> you can see if it's the make process
[12:38] <Alumin> but
[12:39] <Alumin> you may need to recompile your kernel with sysrq support
[12:39] <jerry> hi
[12:39] <intelikey> make sure you have the latest libc6   and that your kernel is built on that libc
[12:39] <grego> ok
[12:39] <Alumin> I thought they call came with it these days but if you don't see anything then maybe not
[12:39] <grego> libc6?
[12:39] <intelikey> yep.
[12:39] <linux_> now what?
[12:39] <grego> time for googling..
[12:40] <rolnyzx> does anybody have problems with Open Office when you install and set up MS TTF fonts? Everything looks fine but Open Office. Here is a photo of my desktop  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=408217464&size=o
[12:40] <SolidSource> linux_: then "sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs" to make sure its installed and good to go
[12:40] <grego> is that normal that firefox uses gtk widgets in kde?
[12:40] <Alumin> grego: KERNEL.SYSRQ = 1
[12:40] <grego> ok
[12:40] <grego> great
[12:40] <grego> thanks
[12:41] <linux_> k and ...........done
[12:42] <SolidSource> linux_: should be good to go for music, may have to restart amarok
[12:42] <linux_> k
[12:42] <SolidSource> !codecs > linux_
[12:42] <linux_> do i have to restart my comp?
[12:42] <grego> Alumin in which section this option is stored?
[12:42] <linux_> OMG
[12:42] <linux_> its working
[12:42] <grego> do you know?
[12:43] <Alumin> don't remember
[12:43] <linux_> !!!! thanks sooo much
[12:43] <Alumin> you can grep for it in .config tho
[12:43] <SolidSource> linux_ nope don't ever really have to restart comp for most things
[12:43] <linux_> all day and i get somewhere
[12:43] <grego> Magic SysRq key?
[12:43] <Alumin> yeah
[12:43] <intelikey> yep
[12:43] <grego> i have it enabled..
[12:43] <grego> weird
[12:43] <linux_> i so sux at linux im a windows person but im changing because i dont wanna deal with the new win pos
[12:43] <Alumin> hmm
[12:44] <Alumin> linux_: funny, that's what I said about Win95 :p
[12:44] <linux_> :
[12:44] <linux_> )
[12:44] <intelikey> Magic SysRq doesn't help on kernel panic and/or hard lockup.
[12:44] <linux_> :)
[12:44] <grego> this is very hard lockup
[12:44] <Alumin> intelikey: yeah...but I thought it might help to see if it's just an issue of make pwning the machine
[12:44] <grego> very
[12:44] <SolidSource> linux_: you will need to install the other codecs for videos and such, and you will need w32codecs
[12:44] <grego> just freezed desktop
[12:45] <SolidSource> !w32codecs > linux_
[12:45] <linux_> OK
[12:45] <linux_> how do i do that ROFL
[12:45] <Alumin> how do you search for factoids in the bot
[12:45] <SolidSource> just follow what ubotu said
[12:45] <Alumin> !RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:46] <Alumin> ooh I'm good
[12:46] <grego> :D
[12:46] <[Goce] > Anyone else having this problem with Kubuntu 6.10 (edgy)? My CPU is spiking every 4-5 seconds from 0% to 100% over and over again. I then sudo kill 4115 (apt-index-watch) and the problem stops. Anyone? I had this prob once before and an update seemed to fix it, but the problem is back again and no updates are available.
[12:46] <intelikey> Alumin !help
[12:46] <linux_> kkk thx again
[12:46] <Alumin> !help > Alumin
[12:46] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : what is the PID for 4115..that is, what service is the ID for
[12:47] <Alumin> "what is the PID for 4115"
[12:47] <Alumin> *blink*
[12:48] <Admiral_hehe> sorry, a bit tired...
[12:48] <rolnyzx> Alumin, ps aux | grep 4115
[12:48] <Admiral_hehe> what process is running that 4115 corresponds to
[12:48] <intelikey> ps aux | grep -m1 4115
[12:48] <Alumin> ps 4115
[12:48] <[Goce] > Admiral_hehe: It's for apt-watch-index
[12:49] <adydas> If you want a nice wee program to watch what pids are doing what i found whowatch quite handy
[12:49] <[Goce] > had to sudo it cause I had insufficiant access ya know?
[12:50] <Admiral_hehe> yea
[12:50] <Admiral_hehe> by any change are you running adept_*
[12:50] <[Goce] > apt-watch-index or apt-index-watch.. I ferget now
[12:50] <[Goce] > yes I am
[12:50] <Fri13> [Goce] : yes, i have same problem...
[12:50] <[Goce] > I love it cause you can control the distributories better
[12:51] <Admiral_hehe> hmm, that's probably it
[12:51] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : what release are you on?
[12:51] <Fri13> [Goce] : just run "/etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop"
[12:51] <[Goce] > Fri13: did you have to kill apt-index-watch?
[12:51] <MuJ> !nvidia
[12:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:51] <[Goce] > Admiral_hehe: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)
[12:52] <genii> stdin You alive?
[12:52] <Admiral_hehe> hmm, i'm running that on a lappy atm, its not doing that
[12:52] <Admiral_hehe> what Adept are you running, adept notifier?
[12:52] <Fri13> [Goce] : and if you want make it easier, just make link as "kdesu /etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop". I use that when i start game because without it, all games/videos and so on are buggy...
[12:53] <[Goce] > Fri: I agree that game don't work at all with the spiking..
[12:53] <[Goce] > Adm: I am running adept notifier
[12:53] <[Goce] > but I thought this apt-index-watch was a part of it
[12:54] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : pstree
[12:54] <Admiral_hehe> that should show you how things are connected
[12:54] <intelikey> Alumin i had to revisit my wraper for ps    it seems that /bin/ps "proccess id number"  will work...  i had accidentally disabled that function.
[12:55] <genii> Anyone know of a way to get shockwave working without running firefox under wine for instance? There anyone working on a native linux shockwave plugin or viewer?
[12:55] <Alumin> yeah, it's the "standard use" hehe
[12:55] <[Goce] > PSTREE does not show it cause the apt-index-watch has been killed
[12:55] <[Goce] > I will try that again when I reboot
[12:55] <[Goce] > I have to get back to work now
[12:55] <intelikey> Alumin heh   i'm kinda non-standard.
[12:55] <Alumin> genii: not that I know of
[12:55] <[Goce] > lunch is over
[12:55] <[Goce] > I'll touch bases when I get back home tonight
[12:55] <Alumin> genii: there's a native Flash plugin, but I don't think there's a Shockwave one
[12:57] <SolidSource> genii: shockwave and flash are generally the same thing
[12:57] <genii> Alumin Yeah I found the flash9 for linux doesn't do shockwave for some reason. Main issue for me is there is a bunch of kids using one of the public LANs I set up with linux... but many of the sites they go to play educational games is shockwave-based for whatever reason
[12:57] <vlt|home> Hello. Sometimes when trying to download a file with Konqueror it opens in kate. Any idea how to store it on disk?
[12:58] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: right click, save link as
[12:58] <genii> The window saying "click here to download plugin" that comes up is useless LOO
[12:58] <genii> LOL even
[12:58] <Alumin> yeah
[12:58] <waylandbill_> vlt|home: right mouse button is your friend
[12:58] <intelikey> "educational games is shockwave-based for whatever reason"  reason.  the writers need educated ?
[12:58] <SolidSource> genii: what browser?
[12:58] <genii> intelikey Well, these are PBS websites
[12:59] <genii> SolidSource: Firefox 1.5.x
[12:59] <grego> save as doesnt work with this isue..  waylandbill
[12:59] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe, waylandbill_: Did try that before, it doesn't work. I only get a few bytes of "defere file". It's a crappy javascript download page, so wget and even curl failed.
[12:59] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: got a link?
[12:59] <waylandbill> intelikey: how's it going. havent seen you for a few days
[12:59] <grego> for  me it happens with all debs
[01:00] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe: No, it's in a password protected area :(
[01:00] <SolidSource> genii: besides you need to update firefox to 2.02 flash plugin should take care of shockwave....easiest test is www.shockwave.com and about:plugins in firefox address bar
[01:00] <intelikey> waylandbill been here every day.    doing fine as frog hair split four ways.
[01:00] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: :( . I'll blame the web page. could save the file and move it from /tmp
[01:00] <Admiral_hehe> gotta run
[01:00] <waylandbill> intelikey: I must've ignored you. ;)
[01:01] <genii> SolidSource: So linux firefox 2.x flash plugin works with shockwave from in linux then?
[01:01] <tuprox> Can the terminal (the one that has tabbed windows) be installed in Ubuntu 6.10?
[01:01] <intelikey> waylandbill i'm used to that...
[01:01] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe: It's 700M binary
[01:01] <intelikey> tuprox not can be.  IS.
[01:02] <tuprox> nice.  how do I get it to open?
[01:02] <SolidSource> genii: yes, there were some changes in the base code of firefox between 1.5 and 2.0
[01:02] <ryanakca> can someone please test bug 89332? (On an install without gnome/pygtk apps)
[01:02] <intelikey> tuprox both kde and 'nome supply tab's terminals.
[01:02] <genii> SolidSource: OK thx I'll try it
[01:02] <tuprox> I have 8 terminals open and could really consolidate
[01:02] <vlt|home> Where can I tell Konqueror or KDE not to
[01:02] <vlt|home> open those files in kat
[01:03] <vlt|home> s//e?/
[01:03] <SolidSource> genii: firefox should have been updated through the repos though...so don't see how you have 1.5 anyway
[01:03] <intelikey> !cli | tuprox
[01:03] <ubotu> tuprox: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:03] <tuprox> thank you!
[01:03] <tuprox> I see what I need to do
[01:03] <genii> SolidSource: Version reports 1.5.0.9 I think
[01:04] <intelikey> tuprox both of those ^ support tabs by default.
[01:04] <waylandbill> grego: sorry, could you repeat the problem?
[01:04] <SolidSource> genii: but the newest version in repos is 2.0.2...
[01:04] <tuprox> I never really looked at the top for the TABS menu.  God I feel DUMB!!!
[01:05] <grego> same as <vlt|home>
[01:05] <genii> SolidSource: Do dev libs need to be installed? Perhaps I haven't opened up the sources.list enough or so
[01:05] <hawk__> need help with beryl
[01:05] <grego> downloaded deb files are always opened with kate..
[01:05] <hawk__> where do i need to go
[01:05] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > genii
[01:06] <genii> hmm
[01:06] <vlt|home> grego: sa_v_e as? Didn't work. I got just a few bytes of download.hml
[01:06] <waylandbill> genii: dev libs need to be installed when need to compile. those packages are all headers.
[01:06] <hawk__> where do i go to get help with beryl
[01:06] <grego> same here..
[01:06] <SolidSource> genii: dev packages are for manual compiling...
[01:07] <vlt|home> grego: But when clicking it left the real target file is downloaded -- and opened in kate :(
[01:07] <SolidSource> genii: and the repos store mostly DEB packages
[01:07] <genii> Yeah OK. I'm just wondering now why then sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't up the firefox vers. Weird. Maybe because on 6.06?
[01:08] <intelikey> as far as terminal emulation, lets see; you could run 127 x session  with <unknown number> terminal windows in each with 256 tabs in each window and screen can support 256 psyudo terminals in each tab....    be hard to run out of terminals in default linux
[01:08] <SolidSource> genii: might need to update sources
[01:09] <SolidSource> genii: just follow that source-o-matic page, and you will have most the repos you will ever need
[01:09] <genii> It's back up then? Down yesterday or day before
[01:10] <intelikey> !info mozilla-firefox dapper
[01:10] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.9-0ubuntu0.6.06.1 (dapper), package size 49 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:10] <intelikey> cause it's version  1.5  ?
[01:10] <troxor> does anyone know how to run the kcontrol modules individually?
[01:11] <SolidSource> dapper only has the 1.5? that doesn't make sense
[01:11] <genii> So "main" repo is for sure enabled on those boxes.
[01:11] <genii> Damn, may need to up to Edgy or so then
[01:12] <genii> PITA for 48 systems
[01:12] <intelikey> genii i think you can up to 2.0 via backports in dapper ?    but upgrade wont install from backports will it ?
[01:12] <hendaus> hiya
[01:12] <intelikey> !ff2
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ff2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: upgrade uses all the repos in the sources.list
[01:13] <genii> intelikey PErhaps I'll force the version in the dkpg command
[01:13] <hendaus> can anyone tell me how to burn a vcd/dvd on kubuntu?
[01:13] <ryanakca> can someone please test bug 89332? (On an feisty system without python-glade2 installed)
[01:14] <intelikey> SolidSource i don't think it will uninstall something to install a new relese of it
[01:14] <ryanakca> bug 89332
[01:14] <intelikey> SolidSource if it was just a subversion  yes.  but that's not just an update.
[01:14] <adydas> anyone got any comments or advice on NAS devices with networks and linux? can i mount a USB based unit? or does it need to be LAN?
[01:14] <SolidSource> intelikey: don't have to uninstall firefox to upgrade it
[01:15] <big_bang_baby> hey how does kubuntu to work with the gtk based apps ( for example drag and drop features ) to comunicate with the outside ( kde ) is a library ? i ve hear about qtk-qt but that doesnt satisfies the drag an drop featured gtk apps
[01:15] <hendaus> can anyone help me thanx
[01:15] <adydas> hendaus: Use K3B
[01:16] <VanessaE> How do I force Konqueror to regenerate the thumbnails shown when I point it to a directory full of images?  (such as on my camera, which acts as a normal USB mass-storage device)
[01:16] <VanessaE> (e.g. the image preview/thumbnail icons shown in "Icon" view mode)
[01:17] <hendaus> adydas, i have a movie film .avi and my vcd player cannot read it, maybe it needs to burn it as vcd
[01:17] <intelikey> could clear the cache dir
[01:17] <hendaus> can u help me
[01:17] <adydas> hendaus: Do you have the correct or any codecs installed to view
[01:17] <adydas> as id guess you cant copy what you cant read / see
[01:17] <adydas> !codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <genii> heh apt-get --target-release switch worked to get firefox 2 onto dapper
[01:18] <VanessaE> ah..  that might work, though that's a bit ungraceful :-)
[01:19] <hendaus> adydas,  when i used windows before the nero has the option a make vcd and it convert the movie and burn it into vcd
[01:19] <hendaus> i am newbie on kubuntu
[01:19] <intelikey> agreed.   is there no refresh in the menus ?
[01:20] <VanessaE> the only refresh offered is the one that refreshes the whole "page"
[01:20] <VanessaE> which really just reloads the directory contents
[01:20] <adydas> hendaus: what about using nero with kubuntu?
[01:20] <adydas> via wine
[01:20] <SolidSource> hendaus: you talking about extracting DVD to VCD?
[01:21] <adydas> burning an AVI file to VCD i think..
[01:21] <grego> k3b doesnt have such option?
[01:21] <SolidSource> oh
[01:21] <hendaus> adydas, yes
[01:21] <VanessaE> K3B can burn VCd's
[01:21] <intelikey> idk.   peradventure one might use the camera app ?     what's it called ?
[01:21] <hendaus> no
[01:21] <VanessaE> ohh.
[01:21] <hendaus> on windows nero has everything
[01:21] <SolidSource> just do ISO...you can mount those and use them the same
[01:21] <adydas> then help the poor man out, ive never done it.. if i tryed and found it hard but used to do it in windows with nero id just install nero to kubuntu useing wine
[01:22] <secleinteer> does anyone know which package has to be installed to add flac ripping support to kaudiocreator?
[01:22] <adydas> SolidSource:  So you burn it to ISO but you can mount it kinda like a cdrom to use it?
[01:22] <VanessaE> I think the camera app is DigiKam but I've never used that
[01:22] <adydas> yeah DigiKams allright
[01:22] <SolidSource> adydas: yes
[01:22] <adydas> SolidSource: Oh sweet, if only my NAS drive didnt die and take 300g of stuff i could test that out with..
[01:23] <hendaus> adydas,  i have the nerolinux,but it doesnot has the option of burning to vcd
[01:23] <SolidSource> hendaus: why VCD? theres other options
[01:23] <VanessaE> one thing I did run into just now - this is weird -  I told Konq to browse the dir using Gwenview, which shows the same wrong thumb, but then I clicked on one and hit refresh..  lo and behold, the thumbnail updated to the proper image.  Did the same for the other image in the folder, closed Gwenview.  tried the same sequence of actions in the Konq window and it followed suit, showing the 'proper' thumbnails.
[01:23] <SolidSource> like DivX
[01:24] <hendaus> SolidSource,  nerolinux is just for burn compilation
[01:25] <SolidSource> hendaus: I know...didn't say anything about that
[01:25] <hendaus> no
[01:25] <hendaus> ok i give u an example
[01:26] <hendaus> on windows nero when burn a vcd movie, after finishing burning the cd, i open it and it shows like 6 folders, and one of them is .MPEG
[01:27] <hendaus> sorry the folder name is VCD
[01:27] <intelikey> VanessaE yeah linux is not the worlds best at staying up with changes on a disk that it didn't make...   that's why automount cdroms cause so much trubble   and why "plug and get mad" devices like cameras give odd behaviour sometimes.     that's also why i do every thing manually even when i do use a gui.
[01:27] <VanessaE> lol...  "plug and get mad"
[01:27] <intelikey> :_
[01:27] <hatta> if you need to make vcds you an try this
[01:27] <hatta> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD
[01:27] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok, why is that abolutely essential for you?
[01:28] <VanessaE> still, I get your point
[01:28] <hendaus> SolidSource,  coz i have a vcd player and dvd player at my home and we have to watch the movie
[01:29] <adydas> hendaus: some windowys software VSO is good for that, might work with WINE
[01:29] <adydas> i know im going to try one day
[01:29] <adydas> BLOODY good
[01:29] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok, could just burn it directly as a MPEG then
[01:30] <snikker> how play copy-protected audio cd?
[01:30] <hendaus> SolidSource,  no it burns like 5 folders and one of them is VCDMPEG
[01:31] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok I know what your doing, but there has to be a different way
[01:31] <adydas> Best Mail client for KDE?
[01:32] <SolidSource> all CDs are technically copy protected...but that is on paper not necessarily in the coding of the CD
[01:32] <adydas> Kmail didnt REALLLY do it for me, anything i havent yet seen?
[01:32] <VanessaE> intelikey, deliberate errors in the CD media layer
[01:32] <SolidSource> adydas: thunderbird and kmail (now kontact)
[01:32] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok
[01:32] <VanessaE> usually laser-cut holes or deliberate CRC errors
[01:32] <intelikey> adydas default is kmail    best is subjective and controversial
[01:32] <adydas> thunderbird thats it..
[01:32] <neutrik>  /whois neutrik
[01:32] <hendaus> adydas,  say that i can install nero with wine but is it works fine or not?
[01:33] <VanessaE> and of course the usual crap of adding a data track with DRM software that auto-runs in windows
[01:33] <SolidSource> hendaus: the older version nero should work
[01:33] <adydas> hendaus: trail and error my freind
[01:33] <adydas> i imagine it has a pritty good chance to working tho
[01:34] <intelikey> VanessaE so do you get io errors reading these disks ?    dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso  ?
[01:34] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i have nero 6 of windows
[01:34] <VanessaE> I've never tried ripping a "protected" CD, but I'll bet you dimes to donuts that cdparanioa will have no trouble
[01:34] <adydas> that should do
[01:35] <VanessaE> however, you can't just read the audio into an ISO file anyway
[01:35] <VanessaE> at least, I don't think you can... I've always relied on cdparanioa
[01:36] <SolidSource> Kaudiocreater will rip CDs with no problem
[01:36] <intelikey> i'll have to test dd...       and of course the evil "DRM"   and   "TCG"   will be there.
[01:37] <VanessaE> intelikey: over there------>
[01:37] <VanessaE> nonono there, top of the shelf
[01:38] <SolidSource> hendaus: not sure about versiion 6...check the WINE app database
[01:38] <snikker> i don't must rip a copy-protected audio cd, but only listen it, but i can't
[01:39] <VanessaE> snikker: if the CD is "protected" using errors, ytou can't play it on a computer, usually because the computer uses digital audio extraction to play it
[01:39] <VanessaE> whereas CD players I guess directly decode the audio
[01:40] <SolidSource> snikker: don't get what problem you are having, cause I have an extensive CD collection and have never had a problem playing or ripping
[01:40] <intelikey> ha  found one.
[01:40] <SolidSource> hendaus: this might interest you: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD
[01:40] <hatta> snikker, take your cd back to where you got it
[01:40] <snikker> i can't listen a particular audio cd with computer...
[01:40] <hatta> it is defective
[01:41] <SolidSource> yeah
[01:41] <VanessaE> defective by design - aka "copy protected"
[01:41] <SolidSource> if you have all your codecs installed, you should have no problem, no matter the CD
[01:41] <hatta> can I ask what album it is?
[01:41] <hendaus> hatta, yes i open the site,but i want it ntsc not pal
[01:41] <snikker> it's not defectiv...
[01:41] <intelikey> VanessaE you is correct.  dd gets  io errors
[01:42] <VanessaE> snikker, if it won't play on a computer, and the disc isn't scratched or whatever, then it IS defective by red (orange?) book standards.
[01:42] <snikker> it's not defective it play well in external audio cd player...
[01:42] <VanessaE> I repeat...
[01:42] <VanessaE> if it won't play on a computer, and the disc isn't scratched or whatever, then it IS defective by red (orange?) book standards.
[01:43] <snikker> so, it' impossible to listen it in a computer, right?
[01:43] <SolidSource> snikker: if Kcdplayer won't play it or amarok...then the CD has a problem
[01:43] <VanessaE> nope, not impossible
[01:43] <VanessaE> you need to rip it with a good error-correcting program like cdparanioa
[01:43] <snikker> oh, i understand...
[01:43] <VanessaE> the CD manufacturers do this crap to keep you from copying the CD
[01:44] <SolidSource> they try, but they can't make a CD not play on a computer...cause people use their computers as stereos
[01:44] <VanessaE> exactly
[01:45] <VanessaE> it's a cat-and-mouse game that they'll never win, thank G*d
[01:47] <intelikey> you get this kinda krap out of them.
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 0
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 1
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 2
[01:48] <intelikey> nice...
[01:49] <troxor> does anyone know how to run the kcontrol modules individually?
[01:49] <VanessaE> yep
[01:49] <VanessaE> use cdparanioa :)
[01:49] <hacked_kernel> Hello
[01:49] <VanessaE> it pulls no punches
[01:50] <hacked_kernel> Any applications using OpenGL crashes when starting up, any ideas?
[01:51] <octo777> I have a prob i hope i can get some help for
[01:51] <octo777> I tryed sabayon a bit ago for the heck of it, and the boot loader it put on my MBR apears corrupt to ubuntu and Win XP
[01:51] <octo777> I cant use the partition util in either win, or ubuntu on that Disk anymore, but saybayon(gentoo also im guessing)seems to have no prob with it
[01:51] <octo777> is anyone familiar with this situation? , does sabayon do something weird to the disks MBR, that i can fix so i can install feisty on it again?
[01:51] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: What's the error? Start one in a terminal
[01:53] <octo777> I really like Kubuntu and wish i can put it on that drive, so if anyone can help me with my MBR prob, i would be greatful
[01:53] <VanessaE> octo: if you don't mind losing what's on the disk, you can just boot the kubuntu CD, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdisk  (probably hda or sda), wait for a while, cancel it, then repartition and install
[01:53] <Minataku> octo777: I'd zero it
[01:53] <hacked_kernel> Minataku:
[01:53] <hacked_kernel> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[01:53] <Minataku> Or just zero the first 512 bytes
[01:53] <hacked_kernel>   Major opcode:  145
[01:53] <hacked_kernel>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Failed to open device
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Major opcode:  145
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Failed to open device
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Segmentation fault
[01:54] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: There's an ubotu thing for this, and don't paste large amounts of text again
[01:55] <intelikey> Q=0 ;until [ $Q -gt 20 ]  ;do cdparanoia $Q file.$Q ;Q=$(($Q + 1))
[01:55] <intelikey> ;done
[01:55] <intelikey> :)
[01:55] <Minataku> !BadDevice
[01:55] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[01:55] <Minataku> There we go
[01:55] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Read that
[01:56] <intelikey> hacked_kernel that's not an error.
[01:56] <intelikey> that's ubuntu
[01:57] <snikker> VanessaE: cdparanoia works! but is possible to do it on the fly with kscd?
[01:57] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: Actually I don't get any error messages about OpenGL
[01:57] <VanessaE> snikker: not sure, I've never had much success with kscd
[01:57] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Doh
[01:57] <Minataku> Yeah, I just forgot, Kubuntu's default xorg.conf is stupid
[01:57] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: The program just crashes, even in the OpenGL screensavers.
[01:57] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Yeah, I just saw that last part, "Segmentation fault"
[01:58] <Minataku> Which is the real bad one
[01:58] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Type "catchsegv <nameofprogram>"
[01:58] <snikker> VanessaE: ok, thanks for support :)
[01:58] <Minataku> I don't know if Kubuntu has that but it's worth a shot
[01:58] <octo777> sorry for the stupid question, but is that similar to telling XP's mbrfix util to write a new MBR?
[01:58] <VanessaE> I tried :)
[01:58] <Minataku> octo777: No, Windows can choke on a drive with crap on it
[01:58] <VanessaE> octo: not really, this just renders the disk "black" from the OS's point of view
[01:58] <intelikey> wo willy did well
[01:58] <VanessaE> er, "blank"
[01:59] <Minataku> Zeroing a drive will always bring it back providing there's no mechanical or electrical problems
[02:00] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: catchsegv outputs too many lines, which part you want?
[02:01] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: The part before that crap at the bottom
[02:01] <Minataku> And pastebin it
[02:01] <Minataku> !pastebin | hacked_kernel
[02:01] <ubotu> hacked_kernel: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:01] <hawk__> how do i run a .run file
[02:01] <octo777> i will try that and i hope it works, now that feisty has xorg7.2 in it should be nice to get kubuntu back on that drive
[02:02] <VanessaE> woohoo!  Ctrl-Alt-kpplus is fixed finally! :-)
[02:02] <intelikey> hawk__ sh file.run
[02:02] <VanessaE> (speaking of feisty)
[02:02] <hawk__> THANKYOU
[02:02] <Minataku> intelikey: ./file.run is better
[02:02] <hawk__> WELL THAT DID NOT WORK
[02:03] <Minataku> Or rather, the correct way
[02:03] <Minataku> hawk__: Hit your CAPS LOCK key
[02:03] <octo777> Minataku   when I boot to the kubuntu cd, when do I type in the "dd if......." stuff ?
[02:03] <hawk__> it said i have no promission to do that
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku no not in the sense of seeing error messages and preserving the env. it's not.
[02:03] <Minataku> octo777: After the system boots
[02:03] <hawk__> then i tryed to run it with sudo and it said command not found
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey: ./ is how you run an executable in the current directory
[02:04] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8299/plain/
[02:04] <Minataku> No use starting another shell just to run a program
[02:04] <intelikey> Minataku have to chmod it that way.
[02:05] <intelikey> but if you want to set the permission and then execute the shell script go ahead.
[02:05] <hawk__> how do i give my self promission over a file so i can run it
[02:05] <Minataku> hawk__: chmod u+x file.run
[02:05] <Minataku> Then ./file.run
[02:06] <intelikey> hawk__ before you play break the system  what are you trying to install ?
[02:06] <hawk__> thank you
[02:06] <hawk__> America's Army
[02:07] <intelikey> url to the dl ?
[02:07] <octo777> Minataku: after the sys boots from the live cd you mean?
[02:07] <Mena> !beryl |Mena
[02:07] <Minataku> octo777: Yes
[02:08] <hawk__> where can i go for help with berly
[02:08] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: Have you checked the URL?
[02:08] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Oh, yeah, sorry
[02:08] <intelikey> !beryl
[02:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:08] <Mena> inteikey, ok :)
[02:08] <octo777> k cool ,thanks, im off the the better side of the world where they have penguins
[02:08] <hawk__> thanks
[02:08] <octo777> and beryl
[02:08] <Minataku> What's all this "./mysql-workbench-bin" crap?
[02:09] <mzanfardino> how do I modify kicker to display last few applications run in the menu?  (I've seen this behaviour but can not locate where it might be set)
[02:09] <mzanfardino> !kicker
[02:09] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[02:09] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: which part in the output is usefull?
[02:10] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: The backtrace
[02:10] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Let's run this through GDB instead
[02:10] <mzanfardino> nm, I found it
[02:10] <Minataku> Type "gdb executable"
[02:10] <Minataku> It should run a bit then complain
[02:10] <intelikey> Minataku admitedly i need glasses but i saw your post <Minataku> intelikey: ./file.run is better    <<<   as  . ./file.run is better       . not :   heh think   source file.run        "think about that"   ;/
[02:11] <Minataku> I want you to type "bt full" at the prompt, then give me the output of that
[02:11] <intelikey> hawk__ url that you dl'd that from ?
[02:13] <intelikey> reason i'm asking.     i want to look and make sure that it is just a shell script wraped around an archive.  as most .run files seem to be.
[02:14] <bxnp> anybody played with kde zeroconf
[02:17] <Mena> intleikey, are you using beryl bec i dont get response form the channle
[02:17] <Mena> intelikey, *
[02:17] <intelikey> Mena no.
[02:18] <Mena> ok no pro
[02:18] <pipz0r> anyone know if Drive Image 5 will work on kubuntu for imaging ??
[02:19] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: I can't run it by gdb because its exec file must run by sh file which is n't a recognizable exec formate for gdb
[02:19] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Try some other OpenGL app then
[02:20] <Minataku> If they all crash then they're all gonna give me something useful
[02:20] <Mena> How to set up a kernel
[02:20] <Mena> patch or something like that
[02:20] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: I have wrote some OpenGL applications in C++ they working greatly!!
[02:21] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: only this applications the the screensavers
[02:21] <elyon> Where are the menu item entries stored?  I still have entries in my K menu from an entirely different distro...
[02:21] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Hm
[02:22] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: I can't help you here
[02:22] <Minataku> Sorry
[02:23] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: No problem, thanks for trying, thank you
[02:23] <Mena> elyon, What do you mena
[02:24] <Mena> elyon, edit the menu
[02:24] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Hm
[02:24] <Mena> elyon, right clcik edit ?? or this is not the solution
[02:24] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Do "locate xscreensaver"
[02:24] <Minataku> I believe you can run the savers manually
[02:24] <elyon> Mena: I'm curious why I still have entries to begin with.  I know it has something to do with .desktop files, but I have no clue where those are stored.  I know how to use the editor, just would like to know how to prevent this in the future.
[02:24] <Minataku> If you can run one through GDB then I should get a usable backtrace
[02:25] <hacked_kernel> Okay
[02:25] <Mena> elyon, find them on
[02:25] <Mena> elyon, sec plz
[02:27] <Mena> elyon, did you try here /home/$usr$/.kde/share  maybe its here
[02:27] <elyon> Mena: I'll look around in there, but I had competely deleted my ~/.kde/ folder and restarted X... they still show up.
[02:28] <Mena> elyon, hmmm
[02:29] <Mena> elyon, did try here also /home/$suer$/.local/share/
[02:29] <elyon> Mena: Nope... haven't looked there yet.
[02:29] <elyon> Thanks for your help, though... I just ended up using the Menu Editor :)
[02:30] <elyon> besides.... I doubt I'll try any other distros now... just keep coming back to Ubuntu :)
[02:30] <Mena> elyon, ok
[02:30] <Mena> elyon, Welcomr :)
[02:30] <Mena> e*
[02:31] <elyon> Xandros, MEPIS, SuSe, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Debian, hmm... a myriad of others I've tried... not so good.
[02:31] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: If you're there, open one terminal, type "gdb xscreensaver"
[02:31] <elyon> Definitely looking forward to Feisty, though... seems they've finally relaxed a little on the "non-free" codecs and such...
[02:31] <Minataku> nvm then
[02:32] <elyon> ...that was a serious barrier to a system that "Just Works"
[02:32] <CShadowRun> hmm, small question.
[02:32] <CShadowRun> kubuntu says i have 2 processors when i go to sys info (but i only have one) i assume that means i have a dual core ( i'm not much on hardware )
[02:32] <CShadowRun> should i download the x64 version? or stick with the i386 since it seems to be managing my dual core nicely :P
[02:33] <intelikey> the only things missing are slackware redhat/fedora and gentoo
[02:33] <intelikey> that would cover the major distros
[02:33] <elyon> intelikey: Oh yeah, I tried FC too ;)
[02:33] <elyon> intelikey: I missed my apt, though :)
[02:34] <intelikey> i see.    still don't like the nick you choose
[02:34] <elyon> huh?
[02:34] <naught101> anyone know why the "save view profile" menu item would be greyed out in my konqueror?
[02:34] <elyon> intelikey: What's wrong with my nick?
[02:35] <elyon> ah
[02:35] <intelikey> i like better.  thanks.
[02:35] <Minataku> ?????
[02:44] <pingveno> um
[02:44] <pingveno> Did anyone else just have a bunch of leave/joins?
[02:45] <Eruantalon> yep
[02:45] <pingveno> strangeness
[02:46] <pingveno> premier_, you still there?
[02:46] <Minataku> Hm
[02:47] <Minataku> !netsplit
[02:47] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:47] <Minataku> There we go
[02:47] <pingveno> I hope not
[02:47] <Minataku> Kind of a dumb explanation, though, needs more clarity
[02:47] <Minataku> And that's what it was, pingveno
[02:47] <Minataku> A rather big netsplit
[02:48] <soulrider> it has happened a few times here
[02:49] <soulrider> i can remember seeing it at least 3 times
[02:49] <soulrider> its fun :)
[02:49] <pingveno> lol
[02:49] <Minataku> It's guaranteed to happen whenever you have more than one server
[02:49] <Minataku> Every time you see "Read error" or "Connection reset by peer" it's basically the same deal
[02:50] <soulrider> its quite cool, everyone tends to go like "wtf?!"
[02:50] <Minataku> Down to the fact that if you're an IRC Operator, you'll see "irc.whatever.com disconnected: Connection reset by peer"
[02:50] <Minataku> Well, more or less
[02:50] <Minataku> I haven't been behind that badge for a year or two
[02:51] <soulrider> i got ym internet upgraded today :D
[02:51] <soulrider> !es
[02:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:51] <soulrider> its 1mbit down now
[02:52] <Minataku> That's not a whole lot of downstream
[02:52] <Minataku> 128KB/s, I believe
[02:52] <soulrider> i used to have 640k
[02:52] <soulrider> before that ihad 512, 256 and 64 :P
[02:52] <Minataku> Yeah, 128KB/s
[02:52] <soulrider> so far my top speed has been 105kb
[02:52] <soulrider> from kernel.org
[02:52] <adydas> 1mb down? dam
[02:53] <Minataku> adydas: Remember, one bit is 1/8 of a byte
[02:53] <soulrider> yeah
[02:53] <Minataku> Like I said, 1mbit is actually pretty dismal
[02:53] <soulrider> how much you got ?
[02:54] <Minataku> Highest I've seen is 700KB/s
[02:54] <Minataku> Average is 450KB/s
[02:54] <Minataku> Multiply by 8 to get the kilobits per second
[02:57] <carlos__> hola
[02:59] <premier_> pingveno, what did you want?
[03:03] <K3nto> is anybody here in #ubuntu
[03:05] <genii> Is there a channel specific to server/LAMP install?
[03:06] <adydas> NM
[03:08] <genii> If anyone familiar with hosting control panels such as: http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html  http://www.gnupanel.org/ or http://www.ispconfig.org/ please give a suggestion as to what may work well or has been tested under 6.06 Server. I found a good howto for the gplhost dtc install here: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu6.06_dtc_isp_server
[03:09] <crackhead> how do you save your current kde session?
[03:11] <K3nto> could somebody here do me a big favor? i was helping a fellow in #ubuntu install Edgy Eft but i got booted
[03:14] <curtis> can you install a GTK2 theme on Kubuntu?
[03:15] <tuprox> does ubuntu support dual monitors, 1680x1050?
[03:16] <thomax_> curtis: sudo apt-get install libgtk2+
[03:17] <curtis> thomax_  thanks.  to actually install the themes, do they just go in /usr/share/themes ?  Not sure how to "apply" either
[03:20] <genii> Does anyone have a good hosting control panel suggestion? eg: what app may be good for this and fairly painless under *buntu
[03:20] <curtis> thomax_  I get "E: Couldn't find package libgtk2"  It's not in adept either.  Another name perhaps?
[03:22] <Prophet> Anyone familiar with xhydra? I keep getting an error and could use some assistance.
[03:26] <ari_> hello !!!
[03:28] <[Goce] > I'm back.. so where can I write Kubuntu to make them aware of this problem I've been having?
[03:31] <wifioh> how do i install a window decoration in kde?
[03:32] <wifioh> i downloaded the one on this page: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32099
[03:32] <wifioh> download link: http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=32099&id=1
[03:37] <curtis> for some reason when I start up Beryl, I get like 18 desktops!  What's up with that?
[03:40] <adydas> Can i format a harddrive thats blank as NTFS and mount it via CIFS within linux to read and write to it, This would also allow it to be visable in windows should i ever use that ( but more importantly shared over a network )
[03:40] <pingveno> wifioh: are you having any particular problems?
[03:40] <pingveno> Or have you not done compiles before?
[03:41] <pingveno> can anyone hear me?
[03:42] <sunnyhours4130> yup
[03:42] <pingveno> k
[03:42] <pingveno> Just checking
[03:42] <wifioh> pingveno: sorry, i was afk
[03:42] <pingveno> with the netsplit and all
[03:42] <pingveno> k
[03:43] <Jucato> pingveno: in a netsplit, there will always be a certain number of people who'll still be able to hear you
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> is /var/log/messages the only place that'll have any useful output from a failed attempt at "startx"?
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> (having trouble installing the nvidia driver)
[03:43] <wifioh> pingveno: i've compiled from source before. but i just wanted to know if there were any existing packages for that theme
[03:43] <pingveno> ah, I see
[03:43] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:43] <wifioh> pingveno: in gnome, i don't have to compile anything to use a theme, so i'm wondering, why kde requires it
[03:43] <curtis> does anyone know why starting Beryl would give me 18 desktops?
[03:43] <adydas> then edit the conf from nv to nvidia
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> adydas: done that. i think i installed too much stuff
[03:43] <adydas> works a treat for me
[03:44] <adydas> you can purge it clean and start fresh, i just forget how
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> yeah, doesn't seem that complicated
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> heh heh
[03:44] <pingveno> KDE does themes through C++
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> lspci definitely lists the geforce4 mx440. i did that, and edited the xorg.conf file. no dice
[03:44] <adydas> ive done it on 2 installs, on with and one without beryl and it was good.. i might still have the wiki website if u wanted it
[03:45] <adydas> have you ensured you have nvidia-glx installed? () pritty sure thats the package )
[03:45] <sunnyhours4130> yep
[03:45] <Jucato> wifioh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu#head-f6713b84b1a09ea8abdc944bde61090b62470986 <--- here's why
[03:46] <adydas> whats the logfile say
[03:46] <adydas> can you paste it
[03:46] <adydas> !paste
[03:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:46] <sunnyhours4130> 1 sec
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> i used pastebin before. the errors are on a different computer right now. got two right next to each other
[03:48] <adydas> ah
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> other computer isn't connected to the network
[03:48] <pingveno> wifioh: so you're just looking for a package for Alphacube?
[03:48] <adydas> that is a pisser
[03:48] <adydas> does it have internet access tho?
[03:48] <Jucato> wifioh: in summary, what you are "installing" in GNOME are not widget styles. You're actually just adding color schemes to an already installed widget style. in KDE, you are really installing a new style.
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> so i'll look at purging all the nvidia stuff
[03:49] <Jucato> wifioh: same with window decorations
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> it can. i have one usb wireless NIC that I can swap between them   =)
[03:49] <adydas> sunnyhours4130:  if it has net access use lynx to use pastebin
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> or i can do a xover cable between them. i think i have ip masq set up on this one
[03:49] <adydas> then back on here and give the URL
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> heh heh
[03:49] <Jucato> !info kwin-style-alphacube | wifioh
[03:49] <ubotu> wifioh: kwin-style-alphacube: Alphacube window decoration for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 46 kB, installed size 248 kB
[03:49] <jamaur> hey all, a quick question: anyone know if I can capture VHS to DVD with an old voodoo 3 video card with a video capture device + USB?
[03:50] <adydas> jamaur: might be alot easyer and faster finding someone with a VHS to DVDrw(r) unit
[03:50] <sunnyhours4130> i'll look into purging the stuff first, and try again
[03:51] <adydas> bbs
[03:52] <sunnyhours4130> !apt
[03:52] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:52] <pingveno> !Adept
[03:52] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:54] <sunnyhours4130> !poo
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <sunnyhours4130> tee hee
[03:54] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: you know how to purge ?
[03:55] <sunnyhours4130> trying to figure it out
[03:55] <soulrider> do
[03:55] <soulrider> sudo patitude purge <package name>
[03:55] <wifioh> Jucato: thank you very much :D
[03:56] <Jucato> wifioh: wouldn't hurt if you search the packages first. :D
[03:56] <sunnyhours4130> not working. i don't have aptitude or patitude
[03:57] <xoss> patitude?
[03:57] <soulrider> aptitude
[03:57] <soulrider> sorry, im making typ0s all the time
[03:57] <sunnyhours4130> haha
[03:57] <soulrider> Jucato: already have some :P
[03:57] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: aptitude > apt-get
[03:57] <Jucato> soulrider: clearly you need another pair :)
[03:57] <sunnyhours4130> d'oh..... i typoed it too!!! aptitute
[03:58] <soulrider> Jucato.... youre getting in trouble....
[03:58] <User2501> hey anyone know an extremely light weight database app that will run in win32?
[03:58] <sunnyhours4130> so i purged nvidia. what else should I purge before trying to reinstall?
[03:58] <Jucato> s/youre/you're/
[03:58] <User2501> i need it for work
[03:59] <User2501> and is searchable
[03:59] <sunnyhours4130> should i just keep doing "apt-cache search nvidia" and keep purging all of them?
[04:00] <xoss> User2501: i suggest you use mysql..
[04:00] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: trying to get nvidia installed. i borked it somehow on another box that i'm working on
[04:00] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: aptitude search <packagename> :P
[04:00] <adydas> he wants to remove all traces that hes tryed first
[04:00] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: how did it b0rk?
[04:00] <User2501> mysql....  but the thing i dont understand abt that, is it just as simple as installing from an installer and it good to go?
[04:00] <adydas> pritty much yes
[04:01] <User2501> xoss: im thinking these more to it then just that
[04:01] <sunnyhours4130> soulrider: what do the p, v, or i mean in the first column in aptitude search?
[04:01] <xoss> User2501: yes..
[04:02] <sunnyhours4130> i'm removing a lot of stuff. i have a feeling my system is not even going to boot after this
[04:02] <User2501> honestly alli need is to be able to put information into a text box, and be able to search for that info, and be able to change that information
[04:02] <ghetek> how do i add items to the right click "create new" menu?
[04:02] <User2501> seriously a very simple, straightforward DB
[04:02] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: p = package; v = virtual package/metapackage (one that installs other packages)
[04:02] <xoss> User2501: setting up mysql is easy, but setting it up with apache is a bit hard..
[04:03] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: i'm not having much luck with this aptitude purge thing. i've tried removing nvidia-glx a few times and its still there
[04:03] <User2501> xoss: hmmm... well im not planning to have it setup on a server or anything, i just need it at my pc at work for my own personal use
[04:03] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: huh? what do you mean? of course when you do "aptitude search" or "apt-cache search" it will always be listed
[04:03] <ghetek> xoss: i just got in so im not 100% sure what you guys are talking about but there is a LAMP install on ubuntu
[04:04] <sunnyhours4130> but i do a sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx and then after that i do an aptitude search and it's still there
[04:04] <sunnyhours4130> am i searching what's installed on my computer? or what's available to be installed?
[04:05] <User2501> xoss: thanks though, ill keep searching for a simple db with installer and straight foward gui.  like the vtiger would have been good, but that like 98% more then i need.. lol
[04:05] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: aptitude search will list *all* available packages
[04:05] <xoss> User2501: then just use openoffice.org Database or if you're using XP use MS Access
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> ohhhhhhh........
[04:05] <surgy> hello everyone
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> so how do i find out what's installed currently?
[04:05] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: the letters beside the name tells you that
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> ooooohhhhhhhhhh
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> i'm used to fedora/mandriva. i use rpm, not apt    =P
[04:05] <Jucato> p = uninstalled package; v = virtual/metapackage; i = installed; c = removed, but not purged
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> wow, nice
[04:06] <sunnyhours4130> so nothing with the word nvidia comes up as installed. think i'm ready to try to start over?
[04:06] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: what went wrong in the first place?
[04:06] <sunnyhours4130> not sure exactly. i think i remember seeing an error in /var/log/messages about...... well, let me look again. "no nvidia device found" or something
[04:06] <surgy> will someone please explain the advantages of making shell scripts? other than to make installing programs easier?
[04:07] <sunnyhours4130> surgy: it'll help automate tasks that you do a lot if you're into administrative things
[04:08] <sunnyhours4130> health checks, user accounts, log files..... helps to have scripts search/sort them out
[04:08] <surgy> sunnyhours4130: but i only admin 3 computers...... and i have never really needed anything longer than a few phrases in a bash commands so i guess i shouldnt worry my little head over it?
[04:08] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: I'm having trouble with /var/log/messages now. it's cutting off my output when I cat it, and pipe it to more
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> nah. they can be fun to learn tho   =)
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: I'm getting like "nvidia: modeul license "NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[04:09] <crackhead> how do you unpack an .iso file?
[04:09] <adydas> you dont, mount the iso
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> NVRM : NVIDIA geforce 4 mx 440 gpu installed in this system is"
[04:09] <Jucato> !iso | crackhead
[04:09] <ubotu> crackhead: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:10] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: hm... are you using a compiled kernel?
[04:10] <_Daisuke_Ido_> no, an interpreted kernel :D
[04:10] <sunnyhours4130> stock kernel.... i don't fool with it
[04:10] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i wonder how slow that would run, anyway...
[04:10] <craig>  i need help, i installed the alternate install...I can't boot after installation...i just get the kubuntu screen and it freezes...its a graphic driver problem...my card doesn't like the generic one...what command line options can i give so that it i can get into kubuntu
[04:10] <sunnyhours4130> oh, wait..... check this out
[04:10] <Jucato> !nvidia | sunnyhours4130
[04:10] <ubotu> sunnyhours4130: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <sunnyhours4130> the nvidia geforce 4 mx 440 gpu installed in this system is supported through the nvidia 1.0-96xx legacy drivers. please visist the web site for more info. the 1.0-9746 nvidia driver will ignore this gpu
[04:11] <sunnyhours4130> so i need to use legacy drivers for my older card? is that it?
[04:12] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: no
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> *mutter*
[04:12] <nixternal> I just found that out as a matter of fact because I just wrote documentation for it not even an hour ago
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> nice
[04:12] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: edgy right? you need nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-generic installed
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> so does that tell me what my deal is?
[04:13] <dawn> hello
[04:13] <dawn> whats the cmd to change su password?
[04:13] <sunnyhours4130> pretty sure its edgy. 2.6.17-10-386 #2 kernel. that's edgy, right?
[04:13] <craig> what command line options can I give when I start x, to get my kubuntu box to boot into x...my video card doesn't like the default drivers and I can't boot into kubuntu
[04:13] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: if you didn't install linux-restricted-modules-generic (presuming you are using the -generic kernel in Edgy), that's the problem
[04:13] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: oh... in this case, linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:13] <sunnyhours4130> lets give that a whirl. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-386 ?
[04:14] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: depends on which kernel you boot into, but yes
[04:14] <sunnyhours4130> dunno, just what i downloaded. is the athlon 1900+ the 586 arch?
[04:14] <sunnyhours4130> 686?
[04:14] <Jucato> !generic
[04:14] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[04:14] <ghetek> !bacon
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bacon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <ghetek> damn
[04:15] <sunnyhours4130> *grin*
[04:15] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: let me upload what I wrote to my server really quick for you
[04:15] <crackhead> how do i mount a .iso file as recommended with mount -t if i get the error "mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist"?
[04:15] <ghetek> how do i add items to the right click "create new" menu?
[04:16] <Jucato> crackhead: you have to creat the mount point first
[04:16] <Jucato> !iso | crackhead
[04:16] <ubotu> crackhead: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:16] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: thanks
[04:16] <crackhead> how do i create a mount point?
[04:16] <ghetek> crackhead: you should also chown it
[04:16] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/video.html#nvidia
[04:16] <jarn_> I think I'm using more RAM than is usual.
[04:16] <nixternal> pay close attention tot he GF4 MX 420/440 notes
[04:16] <Jucato> jarn_: what do you mean?
[04:16] <cpk1> jarn_: why is that?
[04:16] <adydas> !mount
[04:16] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:16] <jarn_> With Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation, Kmail, Kcontrol, Ksysguard, and Amarok running I'm using about 800 megabytes of ram.
[04:16] <jarn_> Isn't that a lot?
[04:16] <ahlalo_elyon> So what am I supposed to do when User Management doesn't ask for my password when clicking on "Administrator Mode"?
[04:16] <Jucato> !ram | jarn_
[04:16] <ubotu> jarn_: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[04:16] <adydas> !DiskMounter
[04:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:17] <cpk1> jarn_: do 'free -m' in a terminal
[04:18] <cpk1> jarn_: the -/+ buffers/cache line in the free column is basically unused ram (although it technically is always used)
[04:18] <ahlalo_elyon> man, this is pissing me off
[04:18] <jarn_> cpk1: Is this in megabytes?
[04:18] <Jucato> nixternal: are there no more linux-restricted-modules in feisty? or does nvidia-glx have it as Depends now?
[04:18] <adydas> !format
[04:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:18] <cpk1> jarn_: yes
[04:19] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: not sure i quite follow that. if i have the mx440 do i skip steps 1, 2, 3, and 4 because I don't need legacy drivers?
[04:19] <dewey_> good day mates
[04:19] <cpk1> the -m is to print in mB
[04:19] <dewey_> is koffice 1.6.2 in kubuntu?
[04:20] <Jucato> dewey_: for Edgy, yes
[04:20] <jarn_> cpk1: So if it says 678 in the +/- buffers/cache row under the free column, that's about my actual free RAM?
[04:20] <cpk1> jarn_: yes
[04:20] <jarn_> cpk1: Ah. Well, that's better. :P
[04:20] <Jucato> dewey_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-162.php
[04:20] <me2win> !wpa
[04:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:21] <cpk1> jarn_: if you read those links from ubotu you will learn why you always are using all your ram =)
[04:21] <jarn_> cpk1: I'm reading them right now.
[04:21] <ghetek> !kwlan
[04:21] <ubotu> kwlan: wpasupplicant frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.8-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 143 kB, installed size 580 kB
[04:21] <jarn_> cpk1: Does Linux do something similar with processing power? Because with those same programs running I'm using about 70% of my processing speed.
[04:21] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: skip the rebooting step
[04:22] <ahlalo_elyon> So what am I supposed to do when User Management doesn't ask for my password when clicking on "Administrator Mode"?
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> ohhhhhh..... gotcha. thanks
[04:22] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: and goto Procedure 1. ...
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> clearer now
[04:22] <nixternal> ya, I just fixed that after looking at it, it was confusing
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> heh
[04:22] <cpk1> not that I know of, thats windows that always needs to use the cpu at 100%
[04:22] <crackhead> nixternal: why were you using all your ram?
[04:23] <waspius> hello can someone help me access my home network?
[04:23] <Jucato> nixternal: saw my question earlier?
[04:23] <Rustin> hello. there's a package to nvidia fx 5200 in kubuntu default repositories? now, i can't use the opengl screensavers...
[04:23] <nixternal> crackhead: ey?
[04:23] <nixternal> Jucato: what question?
[04:24] <Jucato> nixternal: are there no more linux-restricted-modules in feisty? or does nvidia-glx have it as Depends now?
[04:24] <SolidSource> !nvidia > rustin
[04:24] <nixternal> Jucato: nvidia-glx depends on restricted
[04:24] <nixternal> always has
[04:24] <ahlalo_elyon> Could someone PLEASE tell me why on Earth KDE is no longer letting me make administrative changes in "System Settings???"  It doesn't even ask me for a password when I click on "Administrator Mode"
[04:25] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: when I have that issue, a reboot or a alt+ctrl+backspace sometimes fixes it
[04:25] <nixternal> that is an annoying issue I run across everyone once in a great while
[04:25] <Jucato> nixternal: only on linux-restricted-common it seems. and yet unless you install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), the nvidia driver won't work
[04:25] <nixternal> really?
[04:25] <nixternal> well that is silly
[04:25] <ahlalo_elyon> grr...
[04:26] <Rustin> thanks, SolidSource
[04:26] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Alright, I'll restart X... what a pain, though :)  Thank you.
[04:26] <SolidSource> Rustin: thats what we here for
[04:26] <nixternal> Jucato: no, it does install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:26] <ghetek> !csh
[04:26] <ubotu> csh: Shell with C-like syntax, standard login shell on BSD systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060413-1 (edgy), package size 235 kB, installed size 384 kB
[04:26] <ghetek> huh
[04:26] <Jucato> nixternal: based on lots of user questions/problems? it doesn't... unless that changed in feisty
[04:26] <nixternal> I just did 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' and it lists the restriced-modules for the kernel version and common
[04:27] <nixternal> Jucato: it has always installed it for me, I never installed restricted-modules before
[04:27] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: where at in MI are you?
[04:27] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Well, restarting X didn't help... still can't make changes.
[04:27] <sunnyhours4130> d'oh....... i just plugged in my wired NIC and its not pulling IP/DNS and stuff off my router. what's the command to restart the network service in ubuntu?
[04:27] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Grand Rapids area
[04:27] <jarn_> Is there any reason my CPU load would be routinely between 60 and 100% with only Konversation, Konqueror, Kopete, Amarok, KMail, Kcontrol, and Ksysguard open?
[04:27] <sunnyhours4130> (equivalent of service network restart in mandriva)
[04:27] <BluesKaj> ahlalo_elyon, it's refused me a few times as well ,but I've never been able figure out why ...same as failure to luanch files from the runbox , adept ,and synaptic the first time...beyond my understanding
[04:27] <jarn_> That seems a bit excessive to me.
[04:28] <nixternal> nice, I am in Chicago, but I am from Benton Harlem :)
[04:28] <Jucato> nixternal: looky here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:28] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: ifdown eth0
[04:28] <nixternal> Jucato: don't ever use that howto, it is god awful
[04:28] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: ifup eth0
[04:28] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: I've heard that reputation
[04:28] <nixternal> lol
[04:28] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: a reboot is my last idea on that issue
[04:28] <Jucato> nixternal: ok.. but I'm just telling you what I and a lot of other people have experienced...
[04:28] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: That just seems so extreme
[04:28] <nixternal> 6 days until freeze
[04:29] <Jucato> nixternal: I'll take it to the other room :)
[04:29] <cpk1> if I use aptitude to remove wine will it also remove ~/.wine?
[04:29] <Jucato> cpk1: no
[04:29] <nixternal> Jucato: I have a GF MX440 and have never followed those instructions
[04:29] <JeremiahGriffin> Remote admin.?
[04:29] <wifioh> what is a decent firefox theme that looks good on kde and looks equally good on gnome?
[04:29] <nixternal> bbiab
[04:29] <Jucato> nixternal: GF4 MX4000
[04:29] <cpk1> good, so I dont need to waste all this time backing up ~/.wine so I dont have to reinstall all my stuff?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> but Jucato is there any reason why adept etc won't launch the first time on tries to bring them up ?
[04:30] <Jucato> BluesKaj: um.. dunno....
[04:30] <Jucato> cpk1: yep.
[04:30] <dx11101> hello
[04:30] <adydas> wifioh: kde-look.org Highly reccomend it
[04:30] <BluesKaj> weird
[04:30] <ahlalo_elyon> Okay, rebooting to see if THAT will fix this stupid bug...
[04:30] <calcmandan> Just got a movie as a gift. Decided to make a backup copy of it so it can go into storage. I created an .iso of the flick but k3b won't let me burn it becasue it's 5.9gb. Is this because the movie was encrypted?
[04:30] <ahlalo_elyon> brb
[04:30] <wifioh> adydas: they have firefox themes?
[04:31] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: sometimes sudo or kdesu gets stuck and doesn't quite exit completely, you have to logout and sometimes restart to fix it right away...other wise, just have to wait and try again
[04:31] <adydas> not sure, worth a shot. it has superkaraba stuff, beryl stuff, normal themese all sorts
[04:31] <dx11101> when i try to install vmware-player i get errors
[04:31] <wifioh> adydas: also, both gnome and kde have grayish themes if it helps others see what kind of a look i'm going for
[04:31] <dx11101> it says module vmnet is not loaded
[04:32] <surgy> dx11101: what errors?
[04:32] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, makes no sense to me
[04:32] <dx11101> Virtual Machine Minotor            Failed
[04:32] <surgy> dx11101: can you pastebin that? http://www.pastebin.com
[04:32] <dx11101> Virtual ethernet             Failed
[04:32] <dx11101> yeah
[04:32] <dx11101> holdon
[04:33] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: yeah its just one of those bugs its hard to place, making it almost impossible to fix
[04:34] <Aiken> in feisty I am looking for a way of dealing with ntp being started before the network is up
[04:34] <dx11101> pastebin is taking forever
[04:34] <calcmandan> yeah it's been slow all day.
[04:34] <Omnifrog> lunar eclipse tomorrow night
[04:34] <calcmandan> took 10 minutes to paste 15 lines for me earlier.
[04:35] <SolidSource> dx11101: try paste.ubuntu-nl.org its usually pretty good
[04:35] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, has anyone tried to raise this issue with the dev guys for the next offering ...it becomes frustrating.
[04:35] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: I have no idea, haven't checked
[04:35] <Jucato> BluesKaj: are you on Dapper?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> edgy
[04:36] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I must say that I've only experienced that in Dapper mostly...
[04:36] <dx11101> here i have another way
[04:36] <dx11101> http://users.adelphia.net/~chrisremer/irc.txt
[04:36] <BluesKaj> I have a couple of older kernels in my grubmenu tho :)
[04:36] <SolidSource> Jucato: it happens kind of often in edgy if you are trying to work faster than the machine
[04:36] <Jucato> hm...
[04:36] <Jucato> must be a kdesu thing...
[04:37] <calcmandan> Just got a movie as a gift. Decided to make a backup copy of it so it can go into storage. I created an .iso of the flick but k3b won't let me burn it becasue it's 5.9gb. Is this because the movie was encrypted?
[04:37] <surgy> dx11101: i have no idea :( sorry jucato might have one though
[04:37] <Jucato> O.o
[04:38] <SolidSource> Jucato: I've also hit a similar issue with using kdesu in konsole....it just doesn't always work, but when I do sudo, it works fine
[04:38] <jerry> hi
[04:39] <sunnyhours4130> okay nixternal done with those preliminary steps. i'm rebooting. i'll let you know how it goes   =)
[04:39] <dx11101> vmware is not a priority right now but i will need to get it to work eventually
[04:39] <surgy> calcmandan: has the copy write protection crap i bet
[04:39] <jarn_> Is there any reason my CPU load would be routinely between 60 and 100% with only Konversation, Konqueror, Kopete, Amarok, KMail, Kcontrol, and Ksysguard open? That seems a bit excessive to me.
[04:39] <sunnyhours4130> what cpu do you have?
[04:39] <cpk1> once sudo stopped working
[04:39] <adydas> p 133mhz
[04:39] <adydas> :P
[04:39] <cpk1> and I had to actually do an unice power off
[04:39] <calcmandan> surgy: i was thinking the same thing. do you know a way around it?
[04:39] <dx11101> it is worth noting that i tried to install vmware through adept and adept froze when i got to the ULA and i hate to kill it
[04:39] <surgy> jarn_: not to me, what processor and how much ram what type of harddrive?
[04:39] <jarn_> 2.0 GHz AMD Athlon 64 3200+
[04:39] <dx11101> had*
[04:40] <crackhead> how do you install a .tar.bz2 file?
[04:40] <surgy> calcmandan: i dont but peqbot might
[04:40] <jarn_> 1 gb ram
[04:40] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: no dice on that. x didn't start when i rebooted
[04:40] <SolidSource> cpk1: yeah,,,had that same thing happen to me too
[04:40] <adydas> !bz2 | crackhead
[04:40] <ubotu> crackhead: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[04:40] <jarn_> 7200 rpm harddrive, the partition that linux is using is 40gb
[04:40] <SolidSource> !compile > crackhead
[04:40] <jarn_> surgy: So it's not a weak processor.
[04:40] <calcmandan> peqbot: hey there. i was told you may have an answer to my question.
[04:41] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: let me give it a shot with my card
[04:41] <surgy> jarn_: im running almost the same rig with half the ram, and im running almost the same programs cpu bounces to 35% on activity so i dont know
[04:41] <[Relic] > was looking on kde-look.org and found QtCurve, but it is a deb package. how could I install it if I wanted to since I can't find that package in the repositories
[04:41] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: did you install linux-restricted-modules-386?
[04:41] <calcmandan> peqbot: I was attempting to make a backup copy of a dvd i received as a gift and the ISO came out at 5.9gb. Is this becasue it is encrypted?
[04:41] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: presuming you are booting into the 386 kernel?
[04:42] <Minataku> calcmandan: Probably dual layer
[04:42] <surgy> !dvd | calcmandan
[04:42] <ubotu> calcmandan: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:42] <Jucato> [Relic] : "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb" or right-click in Konqueror -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:42] <Minataku> Single layer is some 4.something GB
[04:42] <surgy> calcmandan: thats how you use peqbot :)
[04:42] <BluesKaj> K9Copy to the rescue !
[04:42] <Minataku> Dual layer is double that
[04:42] <jarn_> surgy: Okay. It surprises me, because I'm at about 10% CPU usage in Windows with windows equivalents of those programs open.
[04:43] <adydas> How do you know if your computer / sata drives can handle 3.2gb/s as apposed to the 1.5gb/s
[04:43] <surgy> jarn_: you have problems that go over my head a ways, maybe ask one of these gurus to look through your error log?
[04:44] <[Relic] > Jucato, thanks
[04:44] <sunnyhours4130> i only have one kernel that i boot into, i don't think in installed that package. i'll try that   =) Jucato
[04:44] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: please do try. and if it works, please tell nixternal :)
[04:44] <sunnyhours4130> hahaha
[04:44] <Minataku> jarn_: Use something like top to check the processes, it's possible that something isn't running correctly and is just chewing up processor time instead of working
[04:45] <calcmandan> i used k9copy to make the iso file
[04:45] <sunnyhours4130> or ps aux
[04:45] <nixternal> those are feisty directions as well, so I don't know about <= Edgy
[04:45] <calcmandan> the other day, i did the same thing with star wars and it worked just fine.
[04:45] <Minataku> calcmandan: Like I said, perhaps it's a dual layer DVD
[04:45] <Minataku> They hold twice as much as a single layer DVD
[04:46] <calcmandan> heck, i didn't know movies came in dual layer discs.
[04:46] <calcmandan> yeah
[04:46] <jarn_> Minataku: Which column in top is CPU usage?
[04:46] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: i found a typo. i am typing these things in manually and i typoed the direction for the modprobe options file. i fixed and restarted. hang on.....
[04:46] <Minataku> jarn_: ... %CPU
[04:46] <jarn_> Minataku: Oh yeah. :P
[04:46] <sunnyhours4130> typo that i made, not you
[04:46] <dx11101> linux pwns
[04:47] <Minataku> lol
[04:47] <armadill0> I've got this strange issue when I try to ALT+TAB between windows in KDE.  I'm using nvidia twinview for dual LCD, and I've noticed that my alt+tab "list" only shows the windows for that LCD, not the other (and visa versa)  How can I get my alt+tab to list all windows on the desktop?  thanks... its drivin me nuts
[04:47] <SolidSource> calcmandan: they have been Dual Layer for as long as I care to remember, though you can compress to single layer at loss of quality
[04:47] <Minataku> Ugh... the redneck neighbors are out on their deck being really loud and annoying
[04:47] <calcmandan> SolidSource: i had no idea that was the case.
[04:47] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: okay, all out of options on that howto. time to try that package   =)
[04:47] <jarn_> Minataku: Woah, top is showing way less total cpu usage than the other program I was using.
[04:47] <jarn_> Minataku: Sometimes it's the same but sometimes it's 20% off.
[04:48] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: the typo fix didn't work?
[04:48] <Minataku> jarn_: TBH... top sucks
[04:48] <calcmandan> SolidSource: well, then, i must go out and buy a dual layer burner then.
[04:48] <Minataku> It gives a very rough picture of what's going on
[04:48] <jarn_> Minataku: Well, the other one could be wrong too.
[04:48] <Minataku> jarn_: No, top is pretty lousy
[04:48] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: damn, 89 megs. we'll be here for a while before we find out if it works     =\
[04:48] <surgy> can someone tell me a good place to start for cutomizeing my windows manager?
[04:48] <dx11101> i have a question about linux and dual core, does SMP work out of the box in Kubuntu?
[04:48] <Minataku> It's a "shotgun diagnostic"
[04:48] <SolidSource> calcmandan: good luck trying to find discs cheaper than $3-10 per
[04:48] <jarn_> Minataku: Okay. :P
[04:48] <Minataku> dx11101: Yeah
[04:49] <dx11101> when i do a top
[04:49] <dx11101> i dont see two cpu's
[04:49] <Minataku> dx11101: Try "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[04:49] <sunnyhours4130> yeah you won't
[04:49] <SolidSource> calcmandan: dual layer is extremely expensive right now compared to 3-15 cents for single layer
[04:49] <calcmandan> thanks for the help
[04:49] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: nope, typo fix didn't work   =(
[04:49] <Minataku> np
[04:50] <sunnyhours4130> okay, package installed. restarting   =)
[04:50] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: keeping my fingers crossed...
[04:50] <dx11101> can 32 bit linux handle 4GB of RAM?
[04:50] <sunnyhours4130> mine too
[04:50] <Minataku> dx11101: HIGHMEM, yeah
[04:50] <SolidSource> yes
[04:50] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: toes as well...
[04:50] <calcmandan> hey guys, thanks again for your help
[04:50] <surgy> jucato: can you point me in the right direction to learn how to seriously customize my windows manager?
[04:50] <calcmandan> now i have a reason to get a dual layer burner.
[04:50] <calcmandan> ciao folks
[04:50] <Jucato> surgy: customize in what way?
[04:50] <surgy> calcmandan:  not a prob man
[04:51] <calcmandan> :)
[04:51] <Minataku> calcmandan: Starting up a trunk-based DVD shop?
[04:51] <SolidSource> dx11101: RAM isn't OS dependent...necessarily
[04:51] <Minataku> j/k
[04:51] <Minataku> lol
[04:51] <me2win> whats the command to see general system info? RAM, Processor, etc
[04:51] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: didn't work   =*(
[04:51] <calcmandan> Minataku: no bro, just backing up my colelction. they get scratched.
[04:51] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: aw... :(
[04:51] <SolidSource> Minataku: ssshh don't give him ideas
[04:51] <Minataku> calcmandan: Take better care of them
[04:51] <calcmandan> i would but would get caught knowing my luck ;)
[04:51] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: what does "uname -r" tell you?
[04:51] <Minataku> I've never had a game or DVD get a scratch
[04:51] <calcmandan> ciao
[04:51] <surgy> Jucato: like change the behavior the look basicly everything,  for example if i wanted to customize the windows manager to have three large buttons only, one for game one for office one for internet browser
[04:51] <Minataku> So far, anyway
[04:51] <Minataku> lol
[04:52] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: try this: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:52] <dx11101> dvd::rip is pretty nice
[04:52] <dx11101> shhhhhhhhhh
[04:52] <Jucato> !changethemes | surgy
[04:52] <ubotu> surgy: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[04:52] <SolidSource> note to all: its always better to backup your discs and use the copies versus the original
[04:52] <sunnyhours4130> bahhhh     just unplugged it from the router. time for me to give up for the night. gotta wake up early for work
[04:52] <Jucato> surgy: although I can't understand your example
[04:52] <Jucato> surgy: where would these buttons be?
[04:52] <Minataku> SolidSource: Not when such is not possible due to various voodoo techniques
[04:52] <surgy> jucato: have you seen the linux for car computers?
[04:52] <sunnyhours4130> uname -r showed 2.6.17-11-386
[04:53] <dx11101> yeah it always better to make backups of netfilx dvd's then scratch netfilx's DVD's
[04:53] <SolidSource> minataky: anything is bypassable
[04:53] <Jucato> surgy: nope
[04:53] <Minataku> dx11101: rofl
[04:53] <AlexKChen> Is there anyone know...In Amarok, how can i configure the font used in the sidebar?
[04:53] <surgy> jucato: the buttons whould comprise the entire gui large and in the middle
[04:53] <Jucato> surgy: might want to take a look into Superkaramba. chances are you might have to make your own superkaramba theme. but not really sure since I don't know linux for car computers
[04:53] <Minataku> SolidSource: Yeah, but I don't feel like cracking open my 360, stripping it down, desoldering a surface mount chip, reflashing the firmware, and so on
[04:54] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: nixternal: thanks for your help. i'll be back tomorrow (maybe) to try again
[04:55] <Minataku> I gotta take a leak then take my pills
[04:55] <Minataku> lol
[04:55] <SolidSource> minataky: oh come on...I saw a program (though for windows only that I saw) that could read and copy console game discs, though never tried it
[04:55] <Minataku> SolidSource: Mind spelling my name right?
[04:55] <SolidSource> minataky: so I don't know how well it works
[04:55] <surgy> Jucato: http://indashpc.org/new/images/car2linux_music_small.jpg   something like that, thats the windows manager for the linux2car system
[04:55] <Minataku> Once is a typo, twice is not paying attention, three times is disrespect
[04:55] <SolidSource> Minataku: lol sorry
[04:55] <Minataku> lol
[04:56] <Minataku> s'ok, just started getting annoying
[04:56] <Minataku> X3
[04:56] <surgy> Jucato: or this http://www.r-kraft.com/dsc03847.jpg
[04:56] <SolidSource> not my fault the buttons are right next to each other...plus I'm watching a movie
[04:56] <dx11101> when will microsoft port DirectX to linux?
[04:56] <Minataku> dx11101: We have OpenGL
[04:56] <Minataku> Anyway, bbiab
[04:57] <SolidSource> dx11101: that will never happen
[04:57] <dx11101> i know i was just messing
[04:57] <SolidSource> dx11101: someone will just make an alternative
[04:57] <dx11101> i have been tinkering with Cedega and im pretty impressed
[04:58] <djk11> sorry bat the italian channel ?
[04:58] <surgy> dx11101: question is: "when will microsoft forget about DX and go to pure OGL?"*
[04:58] <BluesKaj> gamerz ....bah
[04:58] <me2win> WoW ftw
[04:58] <dx11101> Well, cross platform engines are almost mainstream in the console gaming world but hasnt really made it past Microsoft
[04:58] <SolidSource> dx11101: Cedega is ok, it has some issues, but I prefer Crossover linux...much more capabilities
[04:58] <djk11> sorry but the italian channel ?
[04:58] <SolidSource> !it
[04:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:59] <ForgeAus> cxOffice has a nice interface
[04:59] <BluesKaj> !it
[04:59] <dx11101> Actually i read somewhere that OpenGL support in Vista is pretty Gimped
[04:59] <SolidSource> haha blueskaj ...I win and ubotu don't like you
[04:59] <BluesKaj> err...getting late , authoring dvd s
[04:59] <dx11101> OpenGL as to pass through the DirectX API or something like that in Vista
[05:00] <BluesKaj> ubotu , why don't you like geezers
[05:00] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: what DVDs?
[05:00] <dx11101> there is no Pure OpenGL
[05:00] <ForgeAus> and when is there going to be a wine-like program to execute macintosh binaries in Linux and/or Windows?
[05:00] <ForgeAus> (instead of virtualizers)
[05:00] <BluesKaj> for my grandkids , Casper the friendly ghost
[05:00] <dx11101> I dont see why it would be too hard, OSX is BSD Based
[05:01] <crackhead> how do you create a mount point?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> dx, mac are extremely protective (to the point of paranoia?) about their Aqua interface
[05:01] <SolidSource> Casper is evil...he steals my socks
[05:01] <surgy> AWSOME, i just figured out what my 6th mouse button does :) it pastes :) i love linux
[05:01] <dx11101> Mac is just as propriatary is Micro$soft
[05:01] <dx11101> look at the IPOD
[05:02] <SolidSource> stupid crappy Ipod
[05:02] <dx11101> no FLAC support
[05:02] <BluesKaj> techie freak eh surgy...mouse button mania
[05:02] <ForgeAus> they ordered a company stardock to remove their Mac looking theme (which come out before the actual MacOSX of the same visual design) ....
[05:02] <surgy> BluesKaj: herm? i didnt understand?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> yet tehy allow their underlying OS (darwin) to be got for free
[05:02] <SolidSource> MPIO and Archos are straight up UMS thus linux supported
[05:02] <BluesKaj> 6 mouse buttons ?
[05:02] <surgy> hey can we get osx for free?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> surgy illegally yes
[05:03] <surgy> BluesKaj: yes, makes blending way easier :)
[05:03] <ForgeAus> for an intel x86 based computer theres something called OSX86
[05:03] <crackhead> people, how do you create a mount point?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> mostly for VMware pirated
[05:03] <surgy> ForgeAus: linksies? and dont they have different hardware? is my pc compatible?
[05:03] <SolidSource> !mount
[05:03] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:03] <ForgeAus> surgy, I think you need SSE3 ... but otherwise yes
[05:04] <ForgeAus> as for link... there is none
[05:04] <ForgeAus> its P2P
[05:04] <surgy> forgeaus: sse3 ? its required?
[05:04] <crackhead> i.e. a mount point for a mount -t ..iso.. command?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> or some software that does the sse3 thing for you??
[05:04] <surgy> forgeaus: oh you said illegaly..... my weak mind interpretted that as legally lol forget it then :)
[05:05] <SolidSource> whats a good firewall -- NOT firestarter, guarddog, or iptables?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I tried it once... but my download was corrupted
[05:05] <surgy> solidsource: for what? your on linux :) j/k
[05:05] <SolidSource> no my turtle...  (H)
[05:05] <surgy> ForgeAus: im gonna have to look into it, i have never played with osx, i hear they are superior in multimedia
[05:06] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, a router
[05:06] <dx11101> OSX still costs money
[05:06] <SolidSource> crackhead: here is the example for mounting ISO = mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test
[05:06] <BluesKaj> alactel dsl modem , SolidSource ?
[05:06] <crackhead> i do that, and it says error, must create mount point
[05:06] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: got router, want another line of defense
[05:07] <BluesKaj> you're ok then
[05:07] <BluesKaj> just don't open any ports below 1024
[05:07] <dx11101> you would think hackers would just move on if they encountered a linux system
[05:07] <dx11101> i mean theres 9999999 more windows boxes to chose from
[05:07] <SolidSource> crackhead: you need to create a folder and then replace "/mnt/test" with that directory
[05:07] <crackhead> ah
[05:09] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: yeah, but I do too much messing around...need more defense
[05:09] <dx11101> if you want to be 100% secure
[05:09] <ForgeAus> surgy, in general I know they did have great multimedia, especially in the earlier quicktime days, I don't know about now...
[05:09] <dx11101> use Guarddog to ban all WAN traffic :D
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Desktop Publishing has always been Mac's strong point hasn't it?
[05:10] <surgy> ForgeAus: meh sounds retarded, no ofense just not for me, my next leap will be pure unix, any suggestion? and the bennifits of such a leap?
[05:10] <SolidSource> dx11101: yeah right :-( and I already said no guard dog
[05:10] <ForgeAus> surgy, you mean a flavour of BSD?
[05:11] <ForgeAus> I toyed a bit with PC-BSD in VMware, I liked it for the most part...
[05:11] <surgy> forgeaus: once again your talking a language i dont know, i have heard of bsd but nothing else
[05:11] <dx11101> on your firewall, set a fake ip on DMZ and most imcoming packets fly into oblivion
[05:11] <ForgeAus> BSD is a flavour of linux
[05:11] <ForgeAus> erm UNIX sorry
[05:11] <SolidSource> BSD uses a weird packaging system
[05:11] <ForgeAus> yeah pbi
[05:11] <surgy> ForgeAus: i have heard bsd is for the leet hacksuar only
[05:12] <ForgeAus> its called portage I think... somehow related to Gentoo???
[05:12] <ForgeAus> surgy, then you heard wrong
[05:12] <surgy> ?
[05:12] <dx11101> BSD is if your bored of linux
[05:12] <surgy> link?
[05:12] <surgy> dx11101: i have tweaked.... and tweaked and broken, and fixed, and ready to let her spread her wings :)
[05:13] <SolidSource> me and my friend put FreeBSD on his server....we felt like we never used linux before
[05:13] <ForgeAus> either that or it was some warez-spreding kids bragging about how they had a *nix OS and could use it when everyone else at those days had a win3.11-win98 box!
[05:14] <ForgeAus> made them FEEL like a l33+ h4X0r!
[05:14] <surgy> lol
[05:14] <surgy> forgeaus: whould you suggest bsd for me?
[05:14] <dx11101> uhhh
[05:14] <surgy> is it graphicle at all or completely bash?
[05:15] <ForgeAus> I like PC-BSD but I think NetBSD perhaps would be the go... theres several options
[05:15] <ForgeAus> PC-BSD has a nice KDE theme
[05:15] <dx11101> dont go BSD unless you are planning to hack the planet
[05:15] <ForgeAus> its very much like Kubuntu in some ways... I found the icons were even spiffier
[05:15] <dx11101> linux can do everything else
[05:15] <surgy> im looking at freebsd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> theres a live BSD cd - 2.0 Feesbie
[05:15] <ForgeAus> sure FreeBSD seems ok I don't know much about that particular one
[05:15] <SolidSource> HACK THE PLANET!!! - hackers...one awesome movie
[05:15] <ForgeAus> but its related to PCBSD and NetBSD so go for it if you want
[05:15] <BluesKaj> but the xfce desktop sucks
[05:16] <Minataku> Linux is a Unix clone, BSD is a Unix derivative, Solaris is a Unix
[05:16] <SolidSource> Solaris is fun
[05:16] <Minataku> As for BSD, the biggest one I know of is FreeBSD
[05:16] <BluesKaj> yup , i'm aware
[05:16] <ForgeAus> Solaris has problems with KDE at the moment
[05:16] <Minataku> Works on pretty much every PC
[05:16] <BluesKaj> Solaris ?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> (theres at least one LiveCD around with a debug build of KDE and apparently its slow)
[05:16] <Minataku> NetBSD is for anything and everything that isn't a PC
[05:16] <dx11101> i think one problem with BSD is that their is very little 3rd party development and not as much happening as their is in linux
[05:17] <Minataku> When you're using Solaris, you use CDE unless it's OpenSolaris
[05:17] <surgy> what about DX support though?
[05:17] <dx11101> Direct X is microsoft only
[05:17] <ForgeAus> Minataku does open solaris have CDE too?
[05:17] <Minataku> No
[05:17] <Minataku> Unfortunately not
[05:17] <dx11101> becuase BillGates is a poopy head
[05:17] <surgy> dx11101: i know but linux has cedega.... whats bsd have?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> CDE is basically a Motif desktop environment right?
[05:17] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Bingo
[05:17] <dx11101> BSD is has HackDega
[05:17] <ForgeAus> BSD has wine/cedega too
[05:18] <dx11101> i really dont know much about BSD
[05:18] <Minataku> My absolute favorite GUI toolkit where looks are concerned
[05:18] <Minataku> Good old Motif <3
[05:18] <surgy> but i whould have to buy a new cedega for that os too?
[05:18] <dx11101> except that is for the E-lite
[05:18] <Minataku> FreeBSD is actually rather easy
[05:18] <ForgeAus> in gerneral *most* liunx binaries should run in BSD too
[05:18] <ForgeAus> unless theres a distro specific dependancy missing or something
[05:18] <Minataku> ForgeAus: FreeBSD has Linux support via a 2.4 kernel
[05:18] <surgy> ForgeAus: my cedega package is .deb format
[05:19] <dx11101> my personal opinion for you is that considering using BSD is a mistake
[05:19] <dx11101> because youl have to start from scratch all over again
[05:19] <Minataku> Like I said, FreeBSD actually rivals *buntu in ease of use
[05:19] <surgy> ahh
[05:19] <ForgeAus> DX its a choice
[05:19] <BluesKaj> BSD is ok , but it has hardware recognition probs
[05:19] <Minataku> There's a bump or two but they're easily flattened
[05:19] <ForgeAus> Minataki I agree
[05:19] <ForgeAus> once its been installed
[05:20] <Minataku> What the hell is it with people getting my name wrong tonight?
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (I don't know the installation process I just used it in VMware -preinstalled virtual disk
[05:20] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Installation is a bit tricky, I forgot about that part
[05:20] <dx11101> Yeah but BSD doesnt have 200000 packages like Elite Linux does
[05:20] <ForgeAus> hehe I can't type... well I can but badly sometimes
[05:20] <Minataku> Though I always used the complex install
[05:20] <BluesKaj> Minataku, they can't find the tabkey
[05:20] <Minataku> I don't know what the easy install is like
[05:20] <ForgeAus> what filesystem does it use ext3?
[05:20] <Minataku> No
[05:21] <Minataku> UFS
[05:21] <Minataku> Or is it FFS
[05:21] <ForgeAus> of course! I should have guessed
[05:21] <ForgeAus> most likely ufs
[05:21] <Minataku> I think it's FFS which is a type of UFS
[05:21] <Minataku> Unix Fast File System
[05:21] <surgy> well im gonna go get icy hot rubed all over me and hit the hay, my shoulders feal like cinder blocks and my legs feal like they are made of iron god night all
[05:21] <ForgeAus> ok havn't heard of that one until now
[05:21] <BluesKaj> nite surgy
[05:22] <SolidSource> crackhead: about mounting ISOs....probably should have just gave you this link: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Image_.28ISO.29_files_without_burning
[05:22] <ForgeAus> theres SFF and SFS or something for AmigaOX file systems! I wonder if they're related somehow to FFS
[05:22] <ForgeAus> grr OS
[05:22] <Minataku> Yeah, it's UFS with Berkeley extensions
[05:22] <ForgeAus> AmigaOS
[05:22] <Minataku> Referred to as "Fast Filesystem" because it's fast
[05:22] <Minataku> lol
[05:22] <Minataku> No, that FFS is different
[05:23] <ForgeAus> Aros uses it anyway
[05:23] <Bearcat> hello folks.  I'm having trouble getting a dial up connection working.   I've always used DSL on linux but a client needs this. Right now if i try to connect with the regular user it tells me that the remote system is required to authenticate itself. Logging in with root works but i can't go anywhere. I'd love some assistance
[05:23] <SolidSource> what FS do people here use? been debating whether to switch to Reiser4 though might wait for ext4
[05:23] <ForgeAus> personally I think the Aros Developers should move towards making it a DE for Linux
[05:23] <Minataku> AROS isn't AmigaOS whatsoever
[05:23] <BluesKaj> i friend sent me a textfile with instructiond for the fee bsd insatll and that was 2yrs ago before I had much experince with anything other than windows ...rather a daunting expreience
[05:23] <ForgeAus> thats true
[05:24] <dx11101> EXT3 For teh win
[05:24] <ForgeAus> but it is an Amiga-Like Operating system
[05:24] <ForgeAus> (or can be used as one)
[05:24] <Minataku> It just looks like it and uses emulation to run AmigaOS binaries
[05:24] <ForgeAus> it can also be ran as an app (hosted mode)
[05:24] <dx11101> XFS cant be used as a boot partition i think
[05:24] <Minataku> I'd rather use an entire Amiga emulator
[05:24] <Minataku> Much cleaner and better, really
[05:25] <me2win> !beryl
[05:25] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:25] <SolidSource> what FS do people here use? been debating whether to switch to Reiser4 though might wait for ext4
[05:25] <ForgeAus> its AmigaOS API compatible
[05:25] <dx11101> wait for EXT4
[05:25] <dx11101> better safe then fast
[05:25] <Minataku> Once again, I'd much rather use an Amiga VM instead
[05:25] <ForgeAus> ext4?
[05:25] <Bearcat> SolidSource: Rieser3. R4 isn't near ready for a production system
[05:26] <ForgeAus> Mina, theres UAE for that
[05:26] <Minataku> Use ext2 for /boot, ext3 for / and reiser3 or ext3 for other storage drives
[05:26] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Duh
[05:27] <ForgeAus> unlike Aros UAE actually runs Amiga binaries too
[05:27] <ForgeAus> (but if I were you I'd get Amikit... much better)
[05:27] <dx11101> ext4 just reduces file fragmentation
[05:27] <dx11101> but is fully ext3 backwards compatible
[05:27] <dx11101> i htink,...
[05:27] <ForgeAus> which means its fully EXT2 backwards compatible
[05:27] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Again, duh. That's why I'd much rather use a VM instead of a rather lame OS replacement
[05:28] <Bearcat> i have disabled the "auth" line in /etc/ppp/options which allows me to connect as root, but the regular user account doesnt' like that
[05:28] <osiris> chown: `nobody:nobody': invalid group
[05:28] <osiris>   how would i fix this ?
[05:28] <Minataku> Bearcat: Reenable it now
[05:28] <Minataku> You're an idiot for disabling it
[05:28] <BluesKaj> will some one tell me what the advantages are to having a differnt partition for the file system than the OS ?
[05:28] <dx11101> which means i can use my tandy1000 to play counterstrike source
[05:29] <osiris> BluesKaj, so when the os needs to be reinstalled, the data aint lost
[05:29] <Bearcat> Minataku: alright (what a kind phrasing by the way0
[05:29] <Minataku> Bearcat: I firmly believe that when people do something incredibly stupid, they need that point driven home
[05:30] <BluesKaj> osiris, is it too late to make the change , can i make the partitons ?
[05:30] <Minataku> This way they listen to you a lot more readily than they would have if you were nice about it
[05:30] <osiris> BluesKaj, it is easiest to do it at instal
[05:30] <BluesKaj> bummer
[05:30] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: you can resize your current partition, though thats not really recommended
[05:30] <osiris> it may be possible, but you may loose data
[05:31] <osiris> dangerous stuff
[05:31] <BluesKaj> i have 100G partion for Kubuntu and theres 70 or so Gigs open
[05:32] <dx11101> isnt it pretty safe to use a knoppix live cd and gparted?
[05:32] <dx11101> to resize?
[05:32] <SolidSource> resizing can also risk destroying the current partition...thus forcing you to reinstall anyway
[05:32] <Minataku> Bearcat: My apologies for the blunt response, but what you did was similar to opening a hatch on a submarine... while it's underwater
[05:32] <Bearcat> Minataku: i firmly disagree.  This system has nothing of value onit. it is an empty installation and turning of auth does not pose a significant threat.
[05:32] <Bearcat> Minataku: thank you.
[05:32] <osiris> dx11101, i have done it with ntfs partitions and a kubuntu disk, but its a risky move
[05:32] <SolidSource> anyone use Yoper?
[05:32] <Minataku> Bearcat: Systems don't have to be of any value to be excellent zombies
[05:33] <osiris> yes its possible.  yes you may render the data garbage
[05:33] <Lord_Dicranius> test
[05:33] <Minataku> It's not all about what's on it, it's also about what can be done with it
[05:33] <dx11101> beacuse i have resized ext3 partitions without problems
[05:33] <dx11101> that i know about
[05:33] <dx11101> and i use bootit all the time to resize anything else
[05:33] <nixternal> Bearcat: auth or noauth, removing auth doesn't harm you
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Iuse the gparted live cd. :)
[05:34] <nixternal> Minataku: thanks for appologizing for being rather blunt
[05:34] <BluesKaj> i have a live cd copy of GParted ...I used it to setup a partition formy Kubuntu install
[05:34] <nixternal> it isn't like "auth" against your ssytem it is a silly outdated dial-up/ppp protocol that has been used since the 60's :)
[05:34] <ForgeAus> why don't you just use qtparted on the Kubuntu live CD?
[05:34] <Bearcat> Minataku: true
[05:35] <Minataku> nixternal: People who use dialup have their systems connected to a modem
[05:35] <Bearcat> nixternal: hmm
[05:35] <dx11101> first of all, any live cd function in kubuntu is cheers to the knoppix project
[05:35] <Minataku> Some people have it connected anyway
[05:35] <BluesKaj> I'm more familiar with GParted and qparted isn't as stable
[05:35] <Minataku> Removing that auth means that there's a hole wide open
[05:35] <nixternal> Minataku: yes, I know that. But auth and noauth are pretty much handshaking between modem a and modem b
[05:35] <ForgeAus> fair enough
[05:36] <xenophile7x7> im about to do some hardware upgrades and reload my computer. is there a quick and simple way to backup my files and configs on kubuntu before i wipe my drives?
[05:36] <Minataku> You know what, you want to do something stupid? Fine. It's your computer, just don't come crying to me later
[05:36] <nixternal> removing the auth doesn't do squat, it just won't auth with modem b
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I also found Gparted was quicker
[05:36] <nixternal> Minataku: pleast take your atitude elsewhere
[05:36] <ForgeAus> (Qtparted kept me waiting scanning disks for information)
[05:36] <dx11101> FDISK > ALL
[05:37] <dx11101> someone needs to invent a way to convert NTFS into EXT3 before my head explodes
[05:38] <BluesKaj> so what's the procedure for making the OS partiton and the file sytem partition ?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Ive heard that partitionmagic can do that.. but im not paying for PM.
[05:38] <ForgeAus> wierd
[05:38] <Minataku> nixternal: Please take your Windows-style security habits elsewhere
[05:38] <ForgeAus> I thought fsutils would do that
[05:38] <Minataku> Next thing you know you'll be telling people not to set a password
[05:39] <BluesKaj> PM sucks and is dangerous
[05:39] <Jucato> Minataku: calm down.
[05:39] <dx11101> screw partition magic
[05:39] <Jucato> anger issues coming up again
[05:39] <dx11101> BOOTIT FOR EVAR
[05:39] <dx11101> and gparted too LD
[05:39] <dx11101> :D
[05:39] <ForgeAus> convertfs device from_fs_type to_fs_type ???
[05:39] <ForgeAus> doesn't work for NTFS?
[05:40] <Minataku> NTFS is both closed source AND boobytrapped
[05:40] <xenophile7x7> boobytrapped?
[05:40] <Minataku> MS tosses a bunch of bombs in it every tuesday
[05:40] <Minataku> That's why NTFS write support is so dangerous
[05:40] <ForgeAus> I know its closed source
[05:40] <ForgeAus> but boobytrapped?
[05:40] <dx11101> Windows is boobytrapped to cause random BSOD
[05:40] <ForgeAus> it has authentication in certain places
[05:41] <ForgeAus> but I doubt its boobytrapped
[05:41] <Bearcat> ok, i now see "by default the remote system is required to authenticate itself (because this system has a default route to the internet) but i couldn't find any suituble secret (password)  for it to use to do so."  Also, i see that "couldn't find interface ppp0: no such device" ....
[05:41] <dx11101> on the other hand WINFS went supernova before boobytrapping to be deployed
[05:41] <Bearcat> most web searches tell me to add "noauth" as an argument (hence why i did it), but kubuntu complains that requires root privilages
[05:41] <Minataku> Bearcat: Contact the owner of the remote system and ask for the authentication information if possible
[05:41] <ForgeAus> lol yeah
[05:42] <ForgeAus> WinFS didn't make it to Vista
[05:42] <ForgeAus> it was planned
[05:42] <ForgeAus> its been in the works since like win95 or before
[05:42] <ForgeAus> sounded to me basically like an SQLized Filesystem!
[05:42] <Minataku> Vista is just a $400 XP service pack, except this one is completely useless
[05:42] <dx11101> Thats why theres service packs
[05:42] <ForgeAus> for quicker searching, etc..
[05:42] <dx11101> so you can get the money before you add the features
[05:43] <Bearcat> Minataku: well, i know that the user name and password is correct, becaue when i do it as root with "noauth" htey tell me that i am logged in (and i am) but i can't go anywhere. pinging anything just gives me a haninging cursor
[05:43] <ForgeAus> ie select all files where filename = "kde*.*" :)
[05:43] <nixternal> Minataku: sorry, haven't used Windows in years. auth with ppp isn't what you think it is
[05:44] <ForgeAus> if Vista has a service pack its pretty lame if WinFS doesn't make it to that...
[05:45] <ForgeAus> in fact I wouldn't be suprised if when WinFS works they'll make a service pack just because of it
[05:45] <dx11101> ACtually the vista service pack will just be a bunch of hotfixes in a valuepack
[05:45] <ForgeAus> but for now they have a Longhorn/Vista Server to worry about....
[05:45] <Minataku> nixternal: It seems to me to be similar to SSH fingerprinting
[05:46] <ForgeAus> what your going to need to pay for service packs too now?
[05:46] <dx11101> nah
[05:46] <dx11101> but service packs are just hotfixes
[05:46] <SolidSource> one problem if WinFS comes in service pack....to change FS, you have to reinstall OS
[05:46] <nixternal> Minataku: it isn't. some modems don't like the auth command sent to them, so in fact in some instances you can set it to noauth in order to connect
[05:46] <Jucato> btw, guys, you are getting a bit offtopic (re: Vista)
[05:46] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, what's the fsutils prog i'm looking for ?
[05:46] <nixternal> back in the day that is how one would "illegally" connect to AOL dial-up modems/servers
[05:47] <Minataku> nixternal: In that case, I apologize to both of you... sorry
[05:47] <ForgeAus> Solid? maybe it can be added as an NTFS layer of some sort?
[05:47] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: umm I stopped paying attention a while ago, so don't know
[05:47] <nixternal> Minataku: thanks!
[05:47] <Minataku> nixternal: It just seemed like an egregious breach of security
[05:47] <ForgeAus> or have a converter like fat32 did
[05:47] <dx11101> I dont think anyone that uses Windows Vista will be smart enough to care what file system they are using
[05:47] <Jucato> good Minataku. I see you're at least getting control of your anger. that's good. :)
[05:47] <Minataku> lol
[05:47] <Minataku> I was wrong, and what was right was interesting
[05:47] <nixternal> Minataku: it does, but auth or noauth doesn't control security against your machine
[05:47] <Minataku> XD
[05:47] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: WinFS is supposed to be completely redigned.. so generally no
[05:47] <Bearcat> yeah every page that references this problem, says to disable ath wiht "noauth" however kubuntu complains that i don't have the right to.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> but I'm sure there will be at least SOME metadata overhead
[05:48] <Minataku> If the explanation is interesting then it helps me calm down XD
[05:48] <BluesKaj> jfsutils is prolly journal file system, right ?
[05:48] <ForgeAus> Solid, thats possible too...
[05:48] <Bearcat> i think i'm gonna diable all security just to watch Minataku squirm :P
[05:48] <Minataku> Mmmmm... Tristar Tetris Amiga Cracktro
[05:48] <Bearcat> ^diable^disable
[05:48] <ForgeAus> but microsoft will make a method to convert it and maintain your OS too...
[05:48] <Minataku> One of my all-time favorites
[05:48] <ForgeAus> it just won't be as nice as a native WinFS installation
[05:49] <ForgeAus> (due to likely missing metadata)
[05:49] <dx11101> WinFS is supposed to automatically backup appended changes to files and index searches like Google Desktop
[05:49] <Jucato> Minataku: cut down on the coffee :P
[05:49] <Minataku> WinFS is gonna be a disaster
[05:49] <Minataku> Jucato: Don't drink coffee
[05:49] <Minataku> Wouldn't affect me anyway
[05:49] <ForgeAus> dx yeah thats due to its SQL/Database-like features
[05:49] <Minataku> I'm immune to caffiene
[05:49] <Jucato> Minataku: ok, on the caffeine then :)
[05:49] <Jucato> ha! :)
[05:50] <the-erm> I'm seeing a really odd command running in the background.  I'm using htop to see what's running.  I notice a command -:0 That's it, no path or anything.  I googled "-:0" with no results that were even related.  Any one know what this is?
[05:50] <ForgeAus> the searching will probably be done via some kinda SQL Select-like syntax somewhere along the line
[05:50] <nixternal> Bearcat: what are you using to connect with the modem? KPPP? WvDial? ppp w/ pon/poff?
[05:50] <Minataku> the-erm: It's a switch
[05:50] <the-erm> Minataku: for what?
[05:50] <nixternal> s/ppp/pppconfig
[05:50] <Minataku> Probably telling some program to run on the X display :0
[05:50] <dx11101> I bet WinFS will work in linux before it works in windows
[05:50] <ForgeAus> since essentially a filesystem is a base for all your Data... I guess it qualifies as a Data-Base
[05:50] <dx11101> at the rate this is going
[05:50] <ForgeAus> rofl dx :)
[05:51] <Minataku> Jucato: I could down a pot of coffee and fall asleep right after
[05:51] <the-erm> Minataku: no ... that's it that's the command, but it would make sense to be x display 0.
[05:51] <Bearcat> um..wow
[05:51] <Minataku> Though in that case I'd probably piss myself in my sleep
[05:51] <Minataku> the-erm: Hm
[05:51] <daft_> hey all, how can i check what version of a display driver im currently running from the console?
[05:51] <nixternal> cat "Windows/Vista/anything not Kubuntu" >> #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:51] <ForgeAus> your prolly right
[05:51] <Minataku> the-erm: "ps -af"
[05:51] <ForgeAus> they probably got the idea from unix's FFS anyway... from what Mina mentioned earlier
[05:51] <ForgeAus> nix good point
[05:52] <Jucato> #kubuntu is a channel for Kubuntu-related support questions. While offtopic discussions happen once in a while, it's highly advised to take them to #kubuntu-offtopic . Let's keep this channel clean, and try to liven up that other channel :D Hooray for offtopics and #kubuntu-offtopic !!!
[05:52] <jarn_> How do you make apt-get install packages thati t downloaded previously but didn't install?
[05:52] <Minataku> The other channel sucks... it's a black hole
[05:52] <the-erm> Minataku: that's a pretty sure list sure you didn't mean ps -Af ?
[05:52] <hendaus> friends
[05:52] <dx11101> nobody says anything in off-topic
[05:52] <Minataku> Just redirect to /dev/null instead
[05:52] <the-erm> root      5822  5812  0 Feb16 ?        00:00:00 -:0 // Here's the line.
[05:52] <Minataku> You'll get more of a response there than in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <Jucato> Minataku: that's the problem. because people don't take their offtopic discussions there... it's a vicious cycle
[05:52] <Minataku> the-erm: Bizarro
[05:53] <ForgeAus> theres probably some psychology to that
[05:53] <hendaus> files .DAT , how can i convert them to mpeg?
[05:53] <the-erm> Ya odd.
[05:53] <Minataku> the-erm: Try "whereis -:0"
[05:53] <Minataku> Or rather "whereis -- -:0"
[05:53] <Minataku> You'll probably need the "--" for "End of options"
[05:53] <Minataku> Filenames starting with a dash are a bi... female dog
[05:54] <the-erm> Minataku: I did whereis -:0 whereis -- -:0 and also whereis "-:0"
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat can be anything
[05:54] <the-erm> All seem to make whereis think I'm trying to send a flag.
[05:54] <Jucato> -:0 is owned by root, usually the X server process
[05:54] <Minataku> the-erm: Crap
[05:54] <daft_> anyone? I need to know whether im running the proprietary ATI drivers or the stock ones - how can I check it?
[05:54] <ForgeAus> hehe interesting that every directory of ZipLinux put them in
[05:54] <ForgeAus> erm sorry ZipSlack
[05:54] <Minataku> Jucato: It should say "X" or something
[05:54] <Minataku> Let me check mine
[05:54] <Jucato> in KSysGuard it does...
[05:54] <Minataku> Huh
[05:54] <Minataku> It is here too
[05:55] <Minataku> Well, slap my ass and call me Sally
[05:55] <Minataku> XD
[05:55] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  i want to burn a cd for vcd player and the film is .DAT
[05:55] <Minataku> Yeah, the X server process is "-:0"
[05:55] <the-erm> ok
[05:55] <Minataku> root      3838  3663  0  1047  2240   0 Feb13 ?        Ss     0:00  \_ -:0
[05:55] <Jucato> Minataku: hi Sally :D
[05:55] <Minataku> Child to /usr/bin/xdm
[05:55] <Minataku> Jucato: lol, you forgot the first part
[05:55] <Minataku> XD
[05:56] <the-erm> Well that's good ... no root kit here.
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat can be anything, ,dat tells me nothing, anything can be a .dat there are over a few hundred apps that can slap a .dat tag on the name of a file
[05:56] <Jucato> Minataku: thought you wouldn't notice :P
[05:56] <Minataku> lol
[05:56] <Minataku> hendaus: Type this "file -zrk <filename>.dat"
[05:57] <Red_Tear> hmm also der Insall macht schon probleme^^
[05:57] <hendaus> Minataku, i download a movie film .DAT,how can i burn it to vcd?
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat is not a media type, you have to tell us what type of file it is first
[05:57] <Minataku> hendaus: I want to see what it is first
[05:58] <Minataku> hendaus: Type this "file -zrk <filename>.dat"
[05:58] <larrydavid> anyone? I need to know whether im running the proprietary ATI drivers or the stock ones - how can I check it?
[05:58] <Minataku> Then paste it here if it's one or two lines, pastebin it if it's three or more
[05:58] <Minataku> larrydavid: If your computer runs like crap, it's the binary ATI drivers
[05:59] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[05:59] <BluesKaj> larrydavid, in the terminal type'fglrxinfo'
[05:59] <larrydavid> thankyou
[05:59] <Minataku> the-erm: Actually, I meant "ps -AF f"
[05:59] <larrydavid> i need to recompile the binary drivers after installing a new kernel yeah?
[06:00] <the-erm> ok
[06:00] <Minataku> larrydavid: That's the problem with binaries
[06:00] <Minataku> You can't compile them
[06:00] <Minataku> Or change them
[06:00] <Minataku> Or anything
[06:00] <larrydavid> oh right, i meant proprietary sorry
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I will give you a similar problem to answer so you know what Im getting at, Go find a friend called Mr Smith, you know his name is smith so you must know out of the millions of other called Smith who he is, same goes with your .dat file, its a generic term not a type of file
[06:00] <Minataku> the-erm: That's "All processes", "Full info" and "Pretty tree structure"
[06:01] <hendaus> ah ok
[06:01] <hendaus> AVSEQ01.DAT: ERROR: cannot open `AVSEQ01.DAT' (No such file or directory)
[06:02] <BluesKaj> larrydavid, you can download the open source ones from ATI , but look at this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[06:02] <Jucato> looks like downloaded/ripped straight from a VCD :)
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: you need to be in the same directory as the file
[06:02] <Minataku> hendaus: Yeah
[06:02] <Minataku> Or specify the absolute path
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: could be an image
[06:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: true...
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> Ive seen iso images put on the web as .dat
[06:05] <Minataku> Ah, VCD... the pirate's favorite
[06:05] <ForgeAus> Mina btw I don't think Kubuntu has an xdm
[06:05] <BluesKaj> it might work if he just changes the dat to iso ...works for nrg files
[06:05] <Minataku> ForgeAus: It doesn't
[06:05] <ForgeAus> it has Kdm instead
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: most of the stuff I see is xvid these days
[06:05] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: VCD is not a codec
[06:06] <Minataku> Stands for Video CD
[06:06] <Minataku> Kinda like DVD except an older MPEG flavor and on CDs instead
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: yeah but I rarely see vcd images on the web
[06:06] <larrydavid> ok, so when im rebuilding the ATI drivers for my new kernel (its just a generic 2.6.17-11 but with PHC Voltage control patched), its saying: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-11-fdd-generic when I do "sudo module-assistant prepare" - how can I specify that it should just use the generic linux headers?
[06:06] <larrydavid> sorry for the long sentence
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: mainly xvid.avi  files
[06:06] <SolidSource> screw VCD...just get a DVD burner and just put things on DVDs
[06:06] <Dr_willis> better then 100 short ones. :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  i agree there.
[06:07] <Minataku> It's not your place to tell people what to do
[06:07] <Minataku> Perhaps that's not an option for him
[06:07] <Minataku> If he wants to use VCD then that's his right
[06:07] <Minataku> This is Linux, not Windows
[06:07] <the-erm> I own a dvd writer ... never used it.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> windows would just force you to reboot.. :)
[06:08] <Minataku> Windows would demand you use some retarded format and refuse to allow any other options
[06:08] <hendaus> Minataku,  AVSEQ01.DAT: RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA)
[06:09] <the-erm> Minataku: you must be referring to wma, and fat32
[06:09] <Minataku> It'd probably burn each frame to the CD as a picture then require 50000 of them and you use them like a flipbook
[06:10] <the-erm> Actually I think it would make you purchase the codec for mpeg before it would let you burn a dvd.
[06:10] <the-erm> The key word being purchase.
[06:10] <Minataku> hendaus: I think that might be VCD friendly already
[06:11] <Minataku> hendaus: TBH, I've only authored a VCD, like, three times
[06:11] <Minataku> And that was several years ago
[06:11] <Minataku> lol
[06:11] <hendaus> ok i open K3b and cant open the .DAT
[06:11] <Minataku> It's not an image, it's I think a video file
[06:11] <Minataku> Try opening it in mplayer or something
[06:12] <hendaus> yes
[06:12] <hendaus> it works
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: k3 doesnt open file
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: its a burner not a media player
[06:13] <the-erm> mplayer should give you an idea of what kind of video file it is.  It usually spits out some information when you use it from the shell.
[06:13] <hendaus> now i open k3b , i click on new video cd project and cannot open it but when i click on creat a new data cd it opens the file
[06:13] <BluesKaj> if mplayer can play it maybe it can be transcoded authored to dvd with tovid
[06:14] <Minataku> hendaus: Hm... perhaps then it ISN'T already in a VCD-friendly format
[06:14] <Minataku> I forget what VCD uses
[06:14] <the-erm> mpeg
[06:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: He wants to make a VCD, not a DVD
[06:15] <Minataku> the-erm: Yes, but what flavor
[06:15] <Minataku> DVDs use MPEG as well
[06:15] <the-erm> vcd IIRC is mostly about fps and WxH.
[06:16] <hendaus> ok how can i convert it to mpeg format,which program?
[06:16] <the-erm> In other words, it uses the same mpeg as a DVD, but it's smaller.
[06:16] <the-erm> Or worse quality should I say.
[06:16] <BluesKaj> tovid will make vcds as well
[06:16] <Minataku> !tovid | hendaus
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <Minataku> <.<
[06:17] <BluesKaj> but the bitrate is fixed so it may not fit on one vcd if the transcode makes a file larger tham 700M
[06:17] <Minataku> SolidSource: Sorry again, BTW, I just felt your attack on VCD was unfounded
[06:18] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Surely there's a better program then
[06:18] <BluesKaj> #tovid
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: in k3b  right click while mouse over on any of the button in k3b ie  Copy Cd  then Add -> New Video CD Project
[06:18] <Minataku> Anything that should be a user-defined option should NEVER be hardwired
[06:19] <Minataku> That's poor programming practice
[06:19] <Minataku> wb, Jucato
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> s/button/buttons/
[06:20] <Jucato> thanks
[06:20] <Minataku> np
[06:22] <Minataku> I got the rest of the samples I ordered from Microchip today, a dsPIC, a PIC10 and two types of Serial EEPROMs
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: change the file name to  .mpg
[06:22] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  i open the k3b, then i right click on the file
[06:22] <Minataku> Ugh... the redneck neighbors are outside making a load of noise... it's 12:21AM... I should call the police
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: this is why you always download none vague file formats
[06:23] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  ok but please explain me what should i do on k3b?
[06:24] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: That's not always an option
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I cant tell you much at all because the file format you have downloaded is pretty vague, basically its some type of mpeg1 encoded file with some weird wrapper made by some undefined program
[06:25] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: Pirate all the way
[06:25] <Minataku> lol
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> if you going to download a file ffs make sure its in a comon sense format
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> common*
[06:26] <Minataku> Again, that's not always an option
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> if your not sure get a avi
[06:26] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  ok but why it doesnot with k3b?
[06:26] <Minataku> hendaus: k3b doesn't know what the file is
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: because k3b cant figure out the wrapper around the mpeg1 data
[06:27] <Minataku> It's in a rather weird format
[06:27] <hendaus> ok how could i convert it to .mpeg/
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: first what is the wrapper
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> I have a feeling its some camera quicktime wrapper crap
[06:28] <hendaus> mpeg1
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: mpeg1 is the encoder format but not the container the data has been put in, but like you can put text inside a pdf
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> bit*
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I have a feeling its a quicktime file of some sort
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: the pdf if the container and the text is the data,  in your case the data is mpeg1  but the container is god knows what
[06:31] <ubuntu> hi
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> is*
[06:31] <ubuntu> are any HUMANS in this ROOM
[06:31] <ubuntu> ???????????
[06:32] <ubuntu> please i need help?
[06:32] <Minataku> Yes, but they don't respond to TYPING like THIS
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu: <Bzzzt> ((((((((DING)))) please state you question
[06:32] <ubuntu> what do u mean
[06:32] <Minataku> Nor do they appreciate your waste of precious punctuation marks
[06:32] <ubuntu> i am new here i am sorry
[06:32] <Minataku> Those question marks are expensive
[06:32] <Dr_willis> ask a actual question. :)
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <Minataku> I'm just messing with you, ubuntu
[06:32] <Minataku> Go ahead and ask your question
[06:33] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  ok i have other problem,i switch a cable usb from my cell phone 6230 nokia,i want to transfer all the imgaes from it
[06:33] <ubuntu> ok i made my 40 GB HDD to 3 partitions 1.is theXP which is 32GB 2.Kubuntu 10GB, and 3.swap 500MB
[06:34] <ubuntu> after installing kubuntu i when i reboot
[06:34] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: just plug it in and move the files
[06:34] <ubuntu> in the OS choices  i can not go to my XP
[06:35] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: about 5 seconds after you plug it in the file manager should open
[06:35] <ubuntu> i can but when i press enter it will come up with a blue screen with like a disk scan and it would reboot on its on and go back to the OS chices
[06:35] <me2win> where can i add a startup item in kde?
[06:35] <ubuntu> i am sorry but i don't understand what you mean
[06:36] <me2win> beryl more specifically
[06:36] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  is it need a program to show me the files manager?
[06:36] <BluesKaj> Linux_Galore, not necessarily ...he may have to lookin storage media
[06:37] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  on windows i used the program nokiasuite
[06:37] <ubuntu> i had to reformate my XP and lose all of my data and put the HDD back to one peice
[06:37] <ubuntu> so please i need help
[06:37] <BluesKaj> I had to to do so, when i used my usb drive the first time
[06:38] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  so basicially you are saying that XP is crashing on booting up ?
[06:38] <ubuntu> yes
[06:38] <BluesKaj> looking for the MBR maybe ?
[06:38] <ubuntu> that happened when i made the partitions and installed kubuntu on the new one
[06:38] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  you may want to change nicks.. then.. how did you 'make the partitions' ?
[06:39] <ubuntu> partition magic or somethin like that
[06:39] <Dr_willis> or somthing? you dont know?
[06:39] <ubuntu> i made a 10GB partition for kubuntu and 500MB swap
[06:39] <ubuntu> and the rest which is about 30GB is for XP
[06:39] <Dr_willis> did  XP boot after you 'resized' the partitions?
[06:39] <ubuntu> which i did not mess with
[06:39] <Dr_willis> and befor you installed linux?
[06:39] <adydas_> i bet youll regret that descion ubuntu
[06:39] <adydas_> i did :p
[06:40] <ubuntu> ya but not after instsalling kubuntu
[06:41] <ubuntu> and i feel really bad because i really liked kubuntu and i want it so bad so if you guys can't help me or i can't find an answer i will have to buy a new HDD just for kubuntu
[06:41] <adydas_> haha sounds like me, i have 3 HHDs now
[06:41] <ubuntu> i wish i had only one more for linux
[06:42] <Minataku> genii!
[06:42] <Minataku> Holy crap, LTNS
[06:42] <genii> Minataku Yeah hi :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> i got 7 hdd's -- one died last night however. :(
[06:43] <Dr_willis> I find linxu works BEST when you have it on its own hdd.
[06:44] <ubuntu> well ya i know but right now i can't effort to buy a HDD
[06:44] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  you could try booting the xp cd and using the recover console and the 'fixmbr' command..  that will whipe out the grub loader.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> that may get you back to xp.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Its also possible theres somthing odd with xp.. or your grub configs...  the 'it hangs at a blue screen' dosent give us much to go on.
[06:44] <ubuntu> i tryed it but since i don't kknow how to use the command line i didn't know how to use it
[06:45] <Minataku> genii: So what's up?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  this is where google comes in handy. :)
[06:45] <Dr_willis> silly MS changing commands around..  fixmbr and some other fix* command they got now.
[06:45] <ubuntu> trust me man i went crazy for a whole weel with this google and every single site no use
[06:46] <casa> hola a todos
[06:46] <ubuntu> my world just crashed on me when i couldn't boot xp
[06:46] <Minataku> ubuntu: I think I know the problem
[06:46] <Minataku> GRUB doesn't have an entry for XP
[06:46] <ubuntu> HELP ME PLEASE IF U HAVE ANY IDEA
[06:46] <Minataku> Does it?
[06:46] <Minataku> Watch the caps
[06:47] <genii> Minataku We moved 300 or so of those computers today...bleh. I found the cardboard box with most of the Sun stuff as well. Looks like he put some of it somewhere else when the office got renovated
[06:47] <Minataku> genii: Think you can find it?
[06:47] <Minataku> If you can't, beat him with something
[06:47] <Minataku> XD
[06:47] <Minataku> j/k
[06:47] <genii> Minataku Yeah I'm going in over this wknd so Ill poke around
[06:47] <Minataku> genii: Awesome
[06:48] <Minataku> Any other cool stuff you can find that would go to the trash send that too
[06:48] <Minataku> lol
[06:48] <ubuntu> what is the GRUB?
[06:48] <Minataku> I just got a load of cool old stuff from the Uni
[06:48] <Minataku> One of my professors was cleaning out a closet
[06:48] <Jucato> !grub
[06:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:48] <Dr_willis> GRUB is wht gives you the boot menu to load the different os's
[06:49] <genii> Minataku: Very cool :) So more Sun or possibly SGI things?
[06:49] <Minataku> I got a whole box with boards and old projects from the mid 70s
[06:49] <Jucato> GRand Unified Bootloader
[06:49] <Minataku> genii: YES :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[06:49] <Minataku> Definitely yes! :D
[06:50] <Minataku> genii: For example, I finally have side-brazed ceramic DIP ICs with gold caps for my collection
[06:50] <Bearcat> ok, i'm confused and could use a few pointers when one of you has a moment. I am logged in via dialup. but i can't get anywhere. I know i have the right dns server IPs into kppp. It almost as if it can't find a gateway.  Any ideas?
[06:50] <Bearcat> i'm very familair with networks but not dialup
[06:50] <Minataku> Both purple and white and also at least one that's an EPROM
[06:51] <x_> Who delete beryl 0.2
[06:51] <genii> Minataku: heh I can tell what gets you enthused LOL
[06:51] <Minataku> genii: Indeed
[06:51] <Minataku> I don't have much of a poker face
[06:51] <Minataku> XD
[06:51] <genii> Minataku: <-- Sorta afk on and off... watching Bram Stoker's Dracula and am on the laptop
[06:52] <Minataku> genii: Cool
[06:52] <genii> Finally got Feisty on it but even with xfce runs sloooow
[06:52] <Minataku> Heh
[06:52] <Minataku> Old laptop?
[06:52] <genii> Yeah IBM thinkpad a20
[06:52] <Minataku> I just installed Debian 4.0 on Mahoro, a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS
[06:53] <genii> so C300 with 128ram and 4Gb hd
[06:53] <Minataku> 166MHz Pentium 1 MMX
[06:53] <Minataku> 80MB RAM
[06:53] <Minataku> 40GB HDD
[06:53] <Minataku> A hand-me-down from Piyoko when it started making a griding noise
[06:53] <Minataku> I replaced it but the old drive turned out to be just fine
[06:54] <SolidSource> for those that care about the future of hard drives, here is an interesting article: http://www.physorg.com/news66555256.html
[06:54] <Minataku> Mahoro got it because her original went dead
[06:54] <genii> Minataku: I had an old Satellite that was about the best laptop I ever had. I miss it actually
[06:54] <Minataku> genii: Toshiba makes the best laptops, period.
[06:54] <Bearcat> SolidSource: bah! I just save to floppies
[06:54] <MrWGW> good evening
[06:54] <MrWGW> I have kubuntu and xubuntu
[06:54] <SolidSource> bearcat
[06:55] <Jucato> evening MrWGW
[06:55] <Minataku> Morning here, actually
[06:55] <MrWGW> and xubuntu has the kubuntu icon theme
[06:55] <Minataku> lol
[06:55] <MrWGW> and kubuntu doesn't seem to have it in its list of availible icon themes
[06:55] <genii> SolidSource: I think they are all gonna go solid-state flash ram
[06:55] <Minataku> genii: Piyoko is a Toshiba Satellite A25-S207
[06:55] <MrWGW> so I'm wondering if you know where the kubuntu human icon theme would be stored for Xubuntu, so I can load it...
[06:55] <SolidSource> Bearcat: whats a floppy? those things still exist
[06:55] <Minataku> genii: Not Flash
[06:55] <Minataku> MRAM
[06:55] <MrWGW> hey Jucato
[06:55] <Minataku> Magnetoresistive RAM
[06:55] <genii> Minataku: Well, similar idea.Solid-state
[06:55] <Minataku> Think old core memory from the PDP series
[06:55] <Jucato> MrWGW: Kubuntu doesn't have a human icon theme. it uses Crystal
[06:56] <Bearcat> SolidSource: actually i have an 8" floppy somewhere  (and no, not my penis)
[06:56] <Minataku> Except super micro tiny
[06:56] <SolidSource> genii: read the article, it talks about that
[06:56] <MrWGW> heh interesting
[06:56] <MrWGW> :-P
[06:56] <Minataku> I have two MRAM chips right here
[06:56] <MrWGW> those imaginative Xubuntu devs....
[06:56] <genii> Bearcat: Hah me too...and an old drive for them too
[06:56] <Jucato> MrWGW: those are Xubuntu's own icon theme
[06:56] <Minataku> Free samples from Freescale
[06:56] <MrWGW> ahh
[06:56] <Minataku> genii: I also got an old computer from that closet
[06:56] <Minataku> 5.25" only, though
[06:56] <MrWGW> IMO Kubuntu looks great with Human icons
[06:56] <Jucato> MrWGW: I'm not sure what they're called. if they're Azul (Blue Human) or Tango
[06:56] <Jucato> ew..
[06:56] <Minataku> Well, 5.25", 3.5" and 4x CDROM
[06:57] <Jucato> well, not *that* bad.. but...
[06:57] <Minataku> Plus two fake 3.5" drives
[06:57] <MrWGW> well what the human icons have is an architectonic
[06:57] <Jucato> MrWGW: fwiw, I don't like crystal svg that much either
[06:57] <MrWGW> well yeah
[06:57] <Minataku> They look like they're 3.5" drives but they're really just molded plastic panels
[06:57] <Minataku> XD
[06:57] <MrWGW> what would be nice would be a Kubuntu icon theme tailored to Kubuntus' color combination
[06:57] <MrWGW> it annoys me that the Powers That Be have decreed that Kubuntu, by default, be as generic KDE as possible
[06:57] <Jucato> MrWGW: yes. it's called "Oxygen" :D
[06:57] <genii> Minataku I keep an old combo 5 1/4-3 1/2 around for obscure old stuff on real floppies etc etc
[06:57] <Bearcat> so, do i have to enter the dns servers somewhere else besides kppp?  This is so bizarre
[06:58] <Minataku> This is way back, when PCs still had reset buttons, turbo buttons, keylocks and LED displays
[06:58] <MrWGW> which is annoying, since many other distros ship with an unmodified iKDe
[06:58] <MrWGW> *KDE
[06:58] <Jucato> MrWGW: ha! you think Kubuntu's KDE is generic/vanilla KDE?
[06:58] <MrWGW> bw Jucato do you think Kwwii would mind if I stole his panel art and used it in PC-BSD?
[06:58] <MrWGW> well Kwwii said that was a policy
[06:58] <Jucato> you don't even know the half of it :D
[06:58] <genii> MrWGW God forbid Apple gets their fingers on KDE
[06:58] <MrWGW> I knonw it looks a little better than default KDE on say, Slackware
[06:58] <Minataku> MrWGW: I'd ask him first
[06:58] <MrWGW> well I've commited to contributing to this project also
[06:59] <Minataku> genii: Nah, they have their closely guarded piece of crap Aqua or whatever that bull is called
[06:59] <MrWGW> ROFL yes
[06:59] <Jucato> MrWGW: yep, in this case, #kubuntu-devel :)
[06:59] <MrWGW> although IIRC someone got KDE running on a Mac
[06:59] <MrWGW> which is a giant flying waste of time IMO
[06:59] <Minataku> MrWGW: Macs are a waste period
[06:59] <genii> Yeah why bother with that?
[06:59] <Jucato> !offtopic
[06:59] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:59] <genii> Minataku: Well, I have some old PPC which run ubuntu well :)
[06:59] <Minataku> Macs are where the chips that were bad in previous lives get reincarnated to
[07:00] <Minataku> Jucato: Nobody's asking for help right now
[07:00] <Bearcat> i am! *bounce bounce*
[07:00] <Minataku> Join the discussion and we'll shoot 'em down as they show up
[07:00] <Minataku> The problems, that is
[07:00] <Minataku> Not the people with the problems
[07:00] <Minataku> lol
[07:00] <genii> Bearcat: What was the nature of your emergency again?
[07:01] <Bearcat> i'm bleeding from the..no that wasn't it
[07:01] <Bearcat> a dial up problem
[07:01] <Bearcat> i can connect, but i can't go anywhere.
[07:01] <Minataku> "I, like, fell on this bullet, and it drove itself into my gut"
[07:01] <Minataku> XD
[07:01] <aesiamun> hi there.
[07:01] <Bearcat> I knowi have the DNS numbers correctly entered into the kppp options
[07:02] <genii> Bearcat: You may want to find the ppp.conf or wvdial.conf file and put/uncomment a line saying "noauth"
[07:02] <aesiamun> did libxine-extracodecs get obsoleted by something else?
[07:02] <Jucato> aesiamun: in Edgy?
[07:03] <Bearcat> genii: got that. I am able to connect.
[07:03] <aesiamun> is that 6.10?
[07:03] <Jucato> aesiamun: Edgy = 6.10. and libxine-extracodecs is still here
[07:03] <Bearcat> genii: but pinging www.yahoo.com gives me no such host.
[07:03] <aesiamun> Jucato: I get this.
[07:03] <BluesKaj> nite all
[07:03] <Jucato> aesiamun: please make sure you have "multiverse" enabled
[07:03] <genii> Bearcat Ah...I seem to remember something about LAN/NIC usurping default gateway... there is some line to put for that in the pp.conf or so, but I forget the exact command
[07:04] <aesiamun> Jucato: ah that would be it, thanks.
[07:05] <genii> Bearcat In fact kppp may have some setting for it even...something like "make default gateway upon connect" or similar
[07:05] <aesiamun> Jucato: ok not it wasn't.  I get the "Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[07:05] <Bearcat> genii: yeah. i can't ping an actual ip so it's not a dns issue. I'll look for that and do a "route" while i'm at it.
[07:05] <Jucato> aesiamun: that would mean that multiverse isn't added/enabled in your sources.list
[07:06] <aesiamun> oh i enabled backports
[07:06] <aesiamun> i apologize
[07:06] <ForgeAus> Jucato does ConvertFS work for NTFS?
[07:06] <Jucato> ForgeAus: dunno. sorry
[07:07] <freality> Anyone using fuse or gmailfs?
[07:09] <freality> I believe I have it set-up correctly, but don't know how to view my filesystem in konqueror.
[07:09] <freality> I'm on Edgy, if that matters
[07:09] <ForgeAus> is there a fuse kioslave?
[07:09] <freality> is that in the repo?
[07:10] <ForgeAus> wait don't oyu have to mount it?
[07:10] <Bearcat> genii: ok, so when doing "route" and i see * for the gateway that means it's useing the defaut (which is wrong) yes?
[07:10] <ForgeAus> if you mount a gmailfs partition all you need to do is go visit that directory in konqueror
[07:11] <freality> ForgeAus: do you mean a second time? I added an item for it in /etc/fstab
[07:11] <freality> it shows up in the output of mount
[07:11] <ForgeAus> where did you mount it too in your fstab?
[07:11] <genii> bearcat Yeah it's still trying to use whatever the NIC was using as a gateway. I'm pretty sure kppp has a radio button in the "gateway" tab for making it the default route
[07:11] <ForgeAus> yeah then its mounted
[07:12] <ForgeAus> so all you need to do is go to where its mounted too
[07:12] <ForgeAus> ie /media/gmail or whatever the place you mounted it too
[07:12] <freality> it's mounted in mnt
[07:12] <ForgeAus> in konqueror just type that string in the address bar /mnt/<whatever> then
[07:12] <freality> should I chang it to media?
[07:12] <ForgeAus> and that should be your gmailfs
[07:12] <ForgeAus> you don't have to
[07:12] <ForgeAus> either way
[07:13] <freality> I get an error message saying the file does not exist
[07:13] <ForgeAus> personally I'd get it working first before considering changing it
[07:13] <ForgeAus> hmm that might be something to do with the internet/gmail side of things
[07:13] <freality> could this be a permissions error?
[07:13] <ForgeAus> there might be some extra steps?
[07:13] <freality> oh
[07:14] <ForgeAus> not likely if it were permissions it'd say you don't have authority or something
[07:14] <ForgeAus> (its still possible... I wouldn't rule it out completely)
[07:14] <Bearcat> genii: well, you can choose "default gateway" or enter in one by hand. I called the isp and they don't know what it would be. There is also a "assign the default route to this gateway" check box, but the default root was apparently 192,186.1.1
[07:15] <genii> Bearcat: Yeah that sounds like a router gateway
[07:15] <genii> eg:nic not modem
[07:15] <freality> ForgeAus: is that fuse kio slave in the repo?
[07:16] <ForgeAus> freality I don't even know if there is a kioslave for it I was asking...
[07:16] <Bearcat> genii: right. I have used that when hooking my own dns to this clients machine. So that is correct for my network, but the modem should ignore it, right?
[07:16] <ForgeAus> but it sounds unlikely if its mounted that a kioslave is necessary
[07:16] <freality> oh
[07:16] <freality> okay, thanks
[07:16] <ForgeAus> normally all you need to do is browse to a mount
[07:17] <genii> Bearcat: Yeah for the ppp connection it should
[07:17] <ForgeAus> freality don't you need to login to it somewhere along the line?
[07:17] <ForgeAus> or is that already in the fuse bit somewhere?
[07:19] <Bearcat> genii: taking this back to basics, shouldn't the gateway be an ip address that the ISP knows?
[07:20] <genii> Bearcat: If you leave it blank then (ideally) it should get one automagically from the isp
[07:21] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[07:22] <Bearcat> genii: i tried choosing to manually assign a static one and leave it blank, no go
[07:23] <genii> Bearcat There is some setting in a conf file to make for this... let me look it up
[07:23] <Minataku> I think I'ma head to "sleep", sorry if I upset and/or offended anyone
[07:23] <Minataku> lol
[07:23] <Bearcat> Minataku: i shall never forgive you!
[07:24] <snowrichard> hi
[07:24] <Minataku> Bearcat: :P
[07:24] <Minataku> lol
[07:25] <Minataku> Now you MUST!
[07:25] <Bearcat> O.O
[07:25] <Minataku> But seriously, sorry to anyone I may have upset or offended, lol
[07:25] <Minataku> Night all and good luck getting that fixed, Bearcat
[07:25] <Bearcat> Minataku: thanks
[07:26] <Minataku> Say... before I go... are you named after the old scanner line from Uniden?
[07:26] <Bearcat> Minataku: nope.
[07:26] <Minataku> Or did you just combine two animals?
[07:26] <Minataku> Ah
[07:26] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[07:26] <Bearcat> Minataku: Bearcat is a name for the panther family
[07:26] <Minataku> Ah
[07:26] <Bearcat> bearcat also means "An unstoppable force"
[07:26] <Bearcat> it is also my first name :)
[07:26] <Minataku> It was also a line of police scanners from Uniden which may or may not still exist
[07:26] <Minataku> X3
[07:27] <Bearcat> yup!
[07:27] <Bearcat> i have learned it's also a WW II plane
[07:27] <Minataku> Cool
[07:28] <snowrichard> I have two sound cards.  If I make the modules load in a certain order will it make the first one loaded be the default device for say xmms?
[07:29] <snowrichard> right now its essentially random
[07:30] <reldruh> I'm having some problems with tunneling X over ssh. I don't have an xserver on my server but I need to run a command that requires an x server. I ran the command 'ssh myusername@myserver -X' and it worked but when I try to run the command in konsole on my laptop (mythtv-setup) it tells me it can't connect t X server. Does anybody know why?
[07:33] <genii> Bearcat still here?
[07:34] <Bearcat> yup
[07:35] <Jucato> ooh didn't realize genii was back
[07:35] <genii> Bearcat try to put in your wvdial.conf file 2 lines:  Check Def Route = on     and  Auto DNS = on
[07:35] <genii> Jucato Heya :)
[07:35] <me2win> how do i add an item to startup?
[07:36] <Jucato> !autostart
[07:36] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[07:36] <Jucato> me2win: ^^
[07:37] <Bearcat> genii: do i have to reload anything?
[07:37] <genii> Bearcat: Maybe disconnect kppp then reconnect
[07:37] <Bearcat> genii: still Destination Host Unreachable
[07:37] <me2win> Jucato: thanks, will beryl start up that way also?
[07:38] <genii> Bearcat: Bleh.I had this stupid issue before too but forget where I found the solution
[07:38] <Jucato> me2win: um better follow the guides in the Beryl wiki. head over to #ubuntu-effects and look at the channel topic
[07:38] <Jucato> there are links there
[07:39] <reldruh> can anybody here help me with X forwarding over ssh?
[07:39] <me2win> k thanks
[07:39] <me2win> Jucato: so uhh one more dumb question, how do i make a link
[07:40] <Jucato> me2win: right-click -> Create New -> Link to Application or drag the file to the Autostart folder, drop it, then select "Link Here"
[07:40] <me2win> Jucato: thanks
[07:43] <crystufer2000> Yo. I'm having alot of trouble with fluxbox, blackbox and Enlightenment.
[07:43] <crystufer2000> They freeze alot.
[07:44] <crystufer2000> It's really annoying.
[07:47] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I can't seem to get my wacom tablet to work in Kubuntu.  Actually, it keeps seeing it as a mouse.  I do have the latest kernel drivers, along with wacom-tools and xorg drivers.  I don't know exactly where the problem lies.  I think it has to do with my udev (I've changed the udev for wacom a few times).  Any ideas?
[07:48] <Jucato> !wacom
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <Jucato> bah..
[07:48] <crystufer2000> Ertain, could it be that you need to specify the wacom driver in xorg.conf?
[07:49] <crystufer2000> Just a shot in the dark...
[07:49] <genii> Bearcat: Anyhow, seems to be something about this here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/53877
[07:50] <Ertain> Nope, it's listed.
[07:50] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[07:50] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
[07:51] <Bearcat> genii: ohh! that looks orimising!
[07:51] <crystufer2000> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Wacom_Tablet
[07:51] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wacom&titlesearch=Titles
[07:51] <crystufer2000> That is really a gentoo howto, but should be similarish, right?
[07:51] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=tablet&titlesearch=Titles
[07:53] <crystufer2000> Ertain: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Wacom_Tablet has an example setup for your xorg.conf so that you can rule that out once and for all. After that, I'm out of ideas.
[07:53] <jack_deltrino> hi everyone
[07:53] <jack_deltrino> i have a linksys wmp11v4 properly recognized under ubuntu
[07:53] <jack_deltrino> i can't dhclient wlan0 for some reason
[07:53] <jack_deltrino> /etc/resolv.conf is the same as the machine i'm on right now
[07:54] <jack_deltrino> if i sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning i see the essid
[07:54] <codyt> aass
[07:54] <jack_deltrino> i'm using wep, and i enter the key in after sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid MYNETWORK by sudo iwconfig wlan0 key 1234567890
[07:56] <Ertain> There's a part about evdev interferring.  I shall look at that.
[07:56] <jack_deltrino> ?
[07:57] <Bearcat> genii: WHOOO!
[07:57] <jack_deltrino> can someone please help me?
[07:57] <Ertain> Nope, that's not the problem.  I think the problem lies in udev.
[07:58] <jack_deltrino> Ertain: are you referring to my problem?
[07:59] <genii> Bearcat So you got it working then?
[07:59] <Ertain> Oops, sorry jack.  No I'm not.
[07:59] <Bearcat> genii: yeah!  I'm sure i would have tried that eventully <.<  >.> Thank you!
[08:00] <genii> Bearcat np, tho it took a while to find the right approach :)
[08:00] <crystufer2000> Yo all, is it a bad idea to attempt to re-build my kernel from source?
[08:00] <codyt> bitches
[08:00] <Jucato> P/p
[08:00] <Jucato> O.o
[08:02] <me2win> !network
[08:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:02] <me2win> !networksecurity
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networksecurity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <jack_deltrino> i love how people randomly spam this channel with bot messages
[08:04] <jack_deltrino> i read the documentation *before* coming in here
[08:04] <jack_deltrino> so please don't spam me or the channel with that
[08:04] <jack_deltrino> also, i know wep is insecure, but i have to put up with it because i do not own the router
[08:05] <jack_deltrino> i'd run wpa2, but that's besides the point
[08:05] <Bearcat> jack_deltrino: well i'm insecure but people put up with me
[08:05] <jack_deltrino> Bearcat: huh...?
[08:05] <crystufer2000> Is it a bad idea to attempt to rebuild my kernel from source?
[08:06] <me2win> people dont randomly spam anything, we come looking for assistance and the bot is a good resource
[08:06] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: not at all. if you want to, go right ahead, it's not hard
[08:06] <jack_deltrino> me2win: it's a good resource after you assess the situation
[08:06] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: Is it a bad idea to use another distros kernel sources?
[08:06] <jack_deltrino> the situation is that i've read the documentation
[08:06] <me2win> i know what my situation is, so i look to ubotu to find information
[08:06] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: which one did you have in mind?
[08:06] <me2win> if you dont like it, kick me, and if you cant kick me, please leave me be
[08:07] <me2win> pretend like i dont exist
[08:07] <jack_deltrino> me2win: that's a very immature attitude, but my response would be that if you don't know the answer, just don't answer
[08:07] <me2win> anybody else would have asked "anything specific you are looking for?" and pointed me in the right direction, not otherwise
[08:08] <jack_deltrino> me2win: no one asked you anything
[08:08] <genii> *contemplates* , even
[08:08] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: Gentoo kernel
[08:08] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: hehe, i have personally built a few for ubuntu that way
[08:08] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: it's not hard at all. and i like gentoo's patches so it all works out :)
[08:09] <me2win> one immature attitude deserves another
[08:09] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: if you want, create a checkinstall package (.deb) out of the kernel and install it through dpkg -i package
[08:09] <jack_deltrino> me2win: are you just trolling to troll?
[08:09] <me2win> i came here to look for something, not hear about how you dont like it how people come in here searching for help
[08:09] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: Oh? How would I do that?
[08:09] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: apt-get install checkinstall
[08:10] <me2win> if anybody is trolling its you for saying things about me when i was looking for something on ubotu
[08:10] <jack_deltrino> sure, conveniently after i mentioned wep and dhcp problems, but whatever, you can troll all you want
[08:10] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: run make in the directory, and then checkinstall in that directory thereafter
[08:11] <me2win> its just a coincidence, dont get all bunched up
[08:11] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: should have been more specific, sorry: run checkinstall in the directory that you make'd your sources
[08:11] <jarn_> Is there a way to set dvd::rip to not split it up into 1gb files? Right now it splits the vobs into 1gb files, which means that sometimes it will end in the middle of a word.
[08:11] <jack_deltrino> i wasn't you reacted to my observation
[08:11] <me2win> im looking for tools on how to test my network security, it had nothing to do with your conversation
[08:11] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: So it will make a debian package out of the kernel I make?
[08:11] <jack_deltrino> me2win: then private chat the bot
[08:12] <genii> !nmap > me2win
[08:12] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: yep. gotta love checkinstall :)
[08:12] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: I use the bot for the same purpose. I'm sure he didn't mean to troll.
[08:12] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: back in the old days, we had to create those by making those debian directories :S
[08:12] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: his response made him out to be one to me
[08:12] <Bearcat> jack_deltrino: sorry. You said " i know wep is insecure, but i have to put up with it" and i just  though tiw was funny
[08:12] <crystufer2000> me2win: Really though. private messages. Great for chatting with the bot.
[08:12] <me2win> i did 2 queries then i took it to private, quit assuming stuff and be more like genii, just suggest instead of complaining
[08:13] <me2win>  i thought 1 of the 2 would hit, neither did, i private msgd it
[08:13] <jack_deltrino> me2win: suggest *what* you didn't ask me a damn question
[08:13] <crystufer2000> me2win: kool kool.
[08:13] <me2win> your right, so why call me a spammer then
[08:13] <crystufer2000> guys, if you're gonna keep arguing, can you take it to off topic?
[08:13] <jack_deltrino> because you aren't private messaging the bot when you can
[08:13] <me2win> you didn't "asses
[08:13] <jack_deltrino> sure
[08:13] <crystufer2000> thanks.
[08:13] <Jucato> ok stop it you two. now
[08:13] <jack_deltrino> i'm clearly not getting help in here so i won't keep wasting my time
[08:14] <jack_deltrino> ...
[08:14] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: sorry i couldn't help you back, man. Thanks again.
[08:14] <jack_deltrino> i rarely do get help in here, so it's cool crystufer2000
[08:14] <me2win> genii: thanks for the suggestion
[08:14] <Jucato> jack_deltrino: I would help if I knew. but I don't... so I keep quiet
[08:14] <jack_deltrino> it's just this just happened to be specific to kubuntu, so i happened to surf this channel
[08:14] <crystufer2000> jack_deltrino: That's what you get for knowing more than me about linux.
[08:14] <jack_deltrino> Jucato: thank you, i appreciate that :)
[08:15] <jack_deltrino> hehe
[08:15] <jack_deltrino> i hate being a developer
[08:15] <chavo> I would help if you werent such a pompous ass
[08:15] <ForgeAus> !botsnack
[08:15] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:15] <me2win> LOL
[08:15] <jack_deltrino> chavo: thanks for helping the FOSS then
[08:15] <crystufer2000> nice
[08:15] <Jucato> ok stop it NOW
[08:15] <crystufer2000> okay, off to try and make me some source kernels.
[08:15] <genii> me2win You may also be interested in this site: http://www.nubuntu.org/
[08:15] <ubuntu> can someone help? i got bad probs with an nvidia card, bad as in not letting me into my dektop
[08:16] <Jphenow> can someone help? i got bad probs with an nvidia card, bad as in not letting me into my dektop
[08:16] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: oh, and make sure you rm *.deb before you checkinstall multiple times ;)
[08:16] <crystufer2000> rm?
[08:16] <jack_deltrino> yeah, it's annoying when you dpkg -i an old build
[08:16] <me2win> genii: yeah thats what i had used before, and i was trying to think of a tool that it had on it, but couldnt remember the name so i was hoping i would find some sort of security page from ubotu but i think nmap will work fine for my purposes
[08:17] <jack_deltrino> checkinstall keeps creating newer .debs
[08:17] <crystufer2000> I'm not sure at all what that means.
[08:17] <crystufer2000> Oh. you mean delete the old one before I create a new one?
[08:17] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: yeah
[08:17] <adydas> Jphenow: have you installed nvidia-glx?
[08:17] <crystufer2000> kk
[08:17] <crystufer2000> Okay. I'm logging.
[08:17] <crystufer2000> Night all.
[08:17] <jack_deltrino> crystufer2000: unless you want multiple configurations
[08:17] <jack_deltrino> later
[08:17] <adydas> Jphenow: If so have you edited your x11.conf chaning it from nv to nvidia?
[08:18] <Jphenow> i have it on vesa at the moment because all i want is in my desktop
[08:18] <Jphenow> then i'll worry about drivers
[08:18] <adydas> ok try chaning it to nvidia
[08:18] <adydas> if it fails put it back to vesa
[08:18] <Jphenow> i have before
[08:18] <adydas> ok good
[08:18] <adydas> paste the logfile here
[08:18] <adydas> !paste
[08:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:18] <Jphenow> this'll take a moment
[08:19] <adydas> somone can have a gander and point your in the right direction
[08:19] <jack_deltrino> ubuntu-nl.org? that's not very internationally correct ;)
[08:21] <Jphenow> it's way long it'll flood this place
[08:21] <Jphenow> !past
[08:21] <Jphenow> oops
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about past - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <adydas> use pastebin
[08:21] <Jphenow> im new to IRC
[08:21] <Jphenow> how you do pastebin??
[08:21] <adydas> !paste
[08:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:21] <adydas> go to that website
[08:21] <adydas> use it
[08:21] <adydas> put the website link it gives you in here.
[08:22] <jarn_> What's the difference between ripping a DVD to a vob file and ripping it to an ISO?
[08:23] <Jphenow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8340/
[08:23] <Jphenow> i'll go get my xconf too
[08:23] <milardovich> i there a html visual editor for linux?
[08:23] <milardovich> like dreamweaver
[08:23] <MarkCh> yes
[08:23] <MarkCh> nvu
[08:23] <milardovich> but not screem or quanta
[08:23] <milardovich> ok
[08:23] <Bearcat> try kwebdev
[08:23] <MarkCh> now go apt-get it
[08:24] <genii> yes nvu is good
[08:24] <skwillz> i have an odd question
[08:24] <milardovich> ok 'cos im making mi own cms
[08:24] <MarkCh> amaya is good too and doubles as a browser
[08:24] <MarkCh> its also made by w3c
[08:24] <skwillz> how do i check free disk space in KDE?
[08:24] <milardovich> and the styles must be maked with a VISUAL HTML EDITOR
[08:24] <MarkCh> skwillz: df
[08:24] <milardovich> look milardovich.com.ar, thats my code (im not a spamer xD)
[08:24] <Bearcat> kdewebdev
[08:25] <Bearcat> that's what i was thinking of
[08:25] <milardovich> sry for my bad english :P
[08:25] <adydas> Jphenow: you need to check you have x installed by the looks of it..
[08:25] <skwillz> thanks mark, but is there an easier view?
[08:25] <skwillz> i'd like to see MB/GB values
[08:25] <milardovich> nvu RULZ!!!
[08:25] <milardovich> thanks!!!
[08:26] <milardovich> i've downloaded the .DEB package
[08:26] <Jphenow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8341/
[08:26] <Jphenow> there's my xconf.org
[08:26] <Jphenow> wow
[08:26] <Jphenow> long day apparently
[08:26] <Jphenow> xorg.conf**
[08:27] <Jphenow> been on the forums for 12 hours tryin to get this thing goin
[08:27] <Jucato> !info nvu | milardovich
[08:27] <ubotu> milardovich: nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[08:27] <MarkCh> skwillz: df -h ?
[08:27] <Jphenow> so you're sayin check if x is even installed? so check out aptitude or you know the command?
[08:27] <MarkCh> human readable values...
[08:27] <MarkCh> !amaya
[08:27] <ubotu> amaya: Web Browser, HTML Editor and Testbed for Draft W3C standards. In component universe, is optional. Version 9.51-2.1 (edgy), package size 5331 kB, installed size 18364 kB
[08:27] <milardovich> ubotu ?
[08:27] <skwillz> thanks!
[08:27] <adydas> Jphenow: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[08:27] <adydas> make sure its all installed and gravey
[08:28] <milardovich> obuto but nvu rulez
[08:28] <Jphenow> okay i'll try that and be back in 5-10 to let ya know
[08:28] <adydas> that got me going
[08:28] <adydas> with a Nvidia 7900GT
[08:28] <Jphenow> oh wait a minute
[08:29] <Jphenow> i know what trouble i had with nvidia-glx
[08:29] <adydas> a what and why
[08:29] <Jphenow> i tried that several times and it kept sayin something about dpkg process and would not install
[08:29] <adydas> try now
[08:29] <adydas> pastebin
[08:29] <adydas> could be your sources for apt....
[08:30] <adydas> but thats just a guess without seeing whats up
[08:30] <adydas> unless its that lock thing....
[08:30] <adydas> try it anyway..
[08:30] <Jphenow> i'm not sure of exact words but if that happens i'll write it downand let ya know
[08:30] <adydas> sweet as
[08:31] <Jphenow> only reason this whole process is hard is because i'm on a live cd right now being that i can't enter my real desktop, it's insanity
[08:31] <adydas> ay
[08:31] <adydas> hrmm..
[08:31] <adydas> try and reboot into the OS when u get into console edit the x11.conf to run vesa and then do it..
[08:32] <tuco> Good morning guys. I would like to know how I can have my wireless connection enabled automatically in Kubuntu without going through the Wireless Manager each time?
[08:32] <Jphenow> well i have the hda1 mounted right now so i could type-edit it now
[08:32] <Jphenow> that's how i got the log and xorg.conf
[08:32] <adydas> tuco: put it into your autostart?
[08:33] <tuco> how come?
[08:33] <adydas> cd /home/adydas/.kde/Autostart/
[08:33] <adydas> adydas@adydas:~/.kde/Autostart$ ls -l
[08:33] <adydas> fuck
[08:33] <adydas> opps my bad
[08:33] <adydas> !swear
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <adydas> * bad adydas.. *
[08:34] <Jucato> !language | adydas
[08:34] <Jucato> :D
[08:34] <ubotu> adydas: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:34] <adydas> Jucato: HAHAH cheers man..
[08:34] <genii> !pastebin | adydas
[08:34] <ubotu> adydas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:34] <adydas> genii: i wasnt trying to paste that at all
[08:34] <adydas> it was a 1 liner
[08:34] <adydas> hence my words :p
[08:34] <adydas> tuco: go to home/username./kde/Autostart
[08:35] <genii> adydas Ah, OK... it looked like the contents of Autostart folder were going to follow
[08:35] <adydas> and ln -s the program you want to run on boot
[08:35] <adydas> genii: no i was trying to cut the eg of where Autostart was ie "/home/adydas/.kde/Autostart/"
[08:35] <Bearcat> well, thanks for the help folks. I'll bring in my other two problems on Monday :)\
[08:35] <Jucato> !austostart
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about austostart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <Jucato> !autostart
[08:36] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:36] <Jucato> looks like I can't spell....
[08:36] <MarkCh> lol
[08:38] <tuco> do you type home/username./kde/Autostart as a command Adydas?
[08:38] <adydas> nope
[08:39] <adydas> cd /home/Adydas(useyourname)/.kde/Autostart
[08:39] <adydas> then ln -s file to link it into there so it starts
[08:39] <Jucato> cd ~/.kde/Autostart would be better :)
[08:39] <adydas> you assume hes in his home dir :p
[08:39] <adydas> im off, NOFX concerttime..
[08:39] <Jucato> huh?
[08:39] <Jucato> adydas: ~ will take you to the home dir
[08:40] <Jucato> so wherever you are, cd ~ will always take you $HOME :D
[08:40] <chavo> so will cd
[08:41] <MarkCh> right.
[08:41] <MarkCh> but cd /.something ,  brings you root
[08:41] <tuco> I have installed kcontrol autostart...how can I use it now?
[08:42] <ForgeAus> cd <dir> is the same as cd ./<dir> :)
[08:42] <ForgeAus> unless you use a / or ~ as first char of <dir>
[08:42] <chavo> tuco, you have to run kcontrol from the m commandline or run box
[08:43] <tuco> what is the line Chavo?
[08:43] <tuco> the one I need to type?
[08:43] <chavo> tuco, kcontrol
[08:43] <chavo> then go to the KDE Components section
[08:44] <fdoving> you can also use 'kmenu -> run command' and 'kcmshell autostart'
[08:44] <milardovich> how can i restart my apache?
[08:44] <fdoving> milardovich: from konsole, 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[08:45] <milardovich> thxs, its work!
[08:45] <milardovich> i'm using linux only 1 week
[08:45] <milardovich> :)
[08:45] <LastMall> rikkus is causing problems in other channels. Is he a common problem here ?
[08:45] <Chameleon22> hi all, I just noticed a file in lost+found dir. (dr-sr---wx  2 779382894 1818452310  24K 1970-01-30 06:00 #22594723). User nor the group with those numbers exists. When I try to delete the file (as root) I get: rm: cannot remove directory `#22594723/': Operation not permitted. Directory it self is empty. Any ideas on how I can delete this bugger?
[08:45] <boob> bitch
[08:46] <boob> bitches
[08:46] <fiyawerx> hey guys, when i installed, i separated an ext3 partition to make shared between win/kubuntu.. but when it mounts its not r/w, how can i change that?
[08:46] <jarn> How do I set to dvd::rip to rip it all to one file instead of splitting it into five files of 1GB each?
[08:46] <boob> never had pussy
[08:47] <tuco> I am in there now Chavo. Question is what do I type?
[08:52] <genii> fdoving Thank you
[08:53] <dawn> is vmware player an integrel pat of kubuntu-desktop?
[08:54] <NightBird> dawn, no...
[08:54] <dawn> thats odd
[08:54] <NightBird> why?
[08:55] <fdoving> it's available but not installed by default.
[08:55] <dawn> I was removing vmware player in adept and I caught it saying removing kubuntu-deskto
[08:55] <dawn> I stopped it at 2%
[08:55] <dawn> but it wrecked x now
[08:55] <NightBird> gah
[08:55] <dawn> lol
[08:55] <fdoving> !xconfig
[08:55] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[08:57] <tuco> Guys I am in autostart applications now. How can I make my wireless connection start automatically each time I log into Kubuntu?
[09:00] <fdoving> Chameleon22: http://www.openaddict.com/documents/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/lostfound.html - make sure you know what file you're trying to delete it could be some special file..  'file <file>' will probably help you determine the filetype.
[09:01] <dawn> lol...x loaded gnome
[09:01] <dawn> geeeez
[09:02] <fdoving> tuco: then the question is, what commands do you run to connect your wireless, manually?
[09:03] <tuco> Yes Doving. Sorry It is staurday early morning, and my head is still in my bum!
[09:03] <tuco> saturday
[09:03] <jean-b> bonjour
[09:03] <jean-b> my kernel was updated
[09:04] <jean-b> and now i have 2 kernels in my grub
[09:04] <jean-b> i just need one
[09:04] <Kite_DH> jean-b: #kubuntu-fr
[09:04] <Chameleon22> fdoving, nm solved - chattr -i ... did the trick
[09:04] <Kite_DH> :DD
[09:04] <Kite_DH> lol
[09:04] <jean-b> how to remove the older?
[09:04] <dawn> fdoving: thank you
[09:04] <tuco> you need to edit the grub menu file Jean-B
[09:05] <jean-b> but in that case the kernel whould still be on my hdd
[09:05] <dawn> for whatever reason when I tried to remove vmware player it wants to take kdm with it
[09:05] <dawn> strange
[09:05] <dawn> the good thing now is that I am at a better resolution then before
[09:05] <dawn> :)
[09:05] <tuco> Doving can you help sir?
[09:05] <jean-b> shoud i just remove the package linux-generic-'olderdate'?
[09:06] <chavo> jean-b, yes you can just remove the older kernel
[09:06] <NightBird> it's not set to display after any period of time...
[09:07] <jean-b> thx chavo
[09:08] <dawn> NightBird: its saying its time for bed :P
[09:10] <jean-b> shoud i remove linux-headers, linux-image and linux-restricted-modules ?
[09:10] <jean-b> to remove the old one?
[09:11] <NightBird> dawn, quite possibly...
[09:15] <jean-b> guys there is also something strange about my pc
[09:15] <jean-b> when i turn it on and boot with linux => no sound
[09:16] <jean-b> when i turn it on, first boot with windows, and then reboot to linux => sound
[09:16] <jean-b> any idea?
[09:16] <tuco> you maybe make sure to enable the right card.
[09:16] <jean-b> ???
[09:17] <tuco> to view the card listed sudo asoundconf list
[09:17] <jean-b> i think that booting in windows 'wake up' my card
[09:17] <jean-b> I82801CAICH3
[09:17] <tuco> well I have a laptop Jean-B..onboard sound and audigy 2zs notebook and I wanted to have the audigy running by default
[09:18] <jean-b> i've a laptop too
[09:18] <Jphenow> adydas I tried it all, same prob with dpkg process
[09:18] <jean-b> do you think it's a driver pb?
[09:18] <jean-b> windows loads it at booting
[09:18] <jean-b> and when rebooting to linux
[09:19] <jean-b> the driver is still somewhere in the ram
[09:19] <jean-b> ???
[09:19] <Jphenow> is there a way i can re-install JUST X
[09:19] <tuco> ok if you know the card name you need to make it the preferred one: sudo asoundconf set-default-card example
[09:19] <tuco> I am new to this and I try to help with what I know so far
[09:19] <jean-b> but i think i only have 1 sound card ...
[09:20] <jarn> What can play ISOs of DVDs?
[09:20] <tuco> Jean-B go to Kubuntu-fr I will joj you there
[09:20] <tuco> join
[09:20] <Jphenow> would anyone know how to uninstall and reinstall JUST the Xserver, hopefully that could allow me back into the desktop
[09:21] <jean-b> i am there
[09:21] <fdoving> Jphenow: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[09:22] <Jphenow> thanks man hopefull i can get this all fixed, if not i'll be back
[09:30] <jean-b> hi do you know how to install and use apollon?
[09:32] <cpk1> sudo aptitude install apollon?
[09:32] <jean-b> yes cpk1 but it needs special config
[09:32] <jean-b> which is not very easy
[09:38] <stuart__> can someone help me kill and uninstall (the undead) a rogue program?
[09:41] <stuart__> anyone, someone?
[09:41] <waylandbill> staurt: alt-f2, xkill
[09:41] <jarn> How do I navigate a DVD's menu in Kaffeine?
[09:43] <stuart__> walandbill thanks - didn't know i could use that (in ubuntu). But now I've just killed my task bar
[09:43] <stuart__> ):
[09:43] <waylandbill> jarn: you should be able to use the mouse cursor
[09:43] <jarn> waylandbill: It wasn't doing anything for me.
[09:44] <waylandbill> stuart__: yeah. xkill is not particular in what it kills. :-P
[09:44] <stuart__> waylandbill: my problem is Panda security suite (demo) in Ubuntu
[09:45] <stuart__> waylandbill - iinstalled it via add/remove and it didnt work
[09:45] <stuart__> waylandbill so then i downloaded and sh's a .sh file
[09:45] <stuart__> waylandbill now when i try and update it (eg. virus defns) it prompts for admin password
[09:46] <waylandbill> stuart: if it is running, you can run "ps ax" and then kill -9 its pid in a konsole
[09:46] <stuart__> waylandbill however the root password does not work!!!
[09:46] <waylandbill> !sudo
[09:46] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:47] <stuart__> waylandbill i tried kill #### (where #### - process ID from system monitor). Would that be equivalent to what u suggest?
[09:47] <jarn> Is there a way to retrieve the audio off a VOB file?
[09:47] <waylandbill> stuart__: only if you own that process. if it's a root process that wont work.
[09:48] <stuart__> waylandbill ok ill try yours
[09:48] <arrenlex> jarn: mplayer -ao pcm file.vob :)
[09:48] <Jphenow> So recently when i tried installing some drivers i tried too many methods, is there a way to fix the core parts to kubuntu without removing programs, because i have ALOT on mine and it'll take a total of about 24hours to do a complete redo
[09:48] <waylandbill> stuart__: you probably killed it okay with sys monitor. I think it'd warn you if you didn't.
[09:49] <waylandbill> stuart__: is your problem that you need to uninstall?
[09:49] <Jphenow> i totally screwed some stuff, and now can't login mainly in part to xserver but seemingly no way of fixing
[09:49] <waylandbill> Jphenow: you messed with xorg.conf and now X doesn't start?
[09:50] <stuart__> waylandbill yes and no the kill temporarily gets rid of it, but the icon remains in the taskbar and i think its still running (asks for the root password to exit but of course then doesnt recongnise it). But yes I want to nuke this thing because it's obviously not working
[09:50] <Jphenow> true, and when i try to nvidia stuff dpkg returns an error, also when i do startx after trying all i can to fix it, all i get is black, i can't even see the output to attempt diagnosis
[09:51] <Jphenow> so my diagnosis comes from going to ive cd and mounting the drive which is hard and only output from there is aspi and font trouble
[09:51] <waylandbill> Jphenow: did the nvidia package make a backup of xorg.conf? you can look in /etc/X11
[09:51] <lemon> hi to all
[09:51] <lemon> :-)
[09:51] <jarn> arrenlex: Thanks!
[09:52] <lemon> help!
[09:52] <Jphenow> there are a million backups, i've done so many reconfigures today you don't even know
[09:52] <lemon> !help
[09:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:52] <lemon> hi to all can somene help me?
[09:52] <lemon> where can i find all channels of irc?
[09:53] <Jphenow> i spent 12 hours today trying to get this fx 5200 workin and i've concluded that's internal probs because i put my older nvidia in and no go AND i tried my old ATI card still no go
[09:53] <Jphenow> all on vesa
[09:53] <stuart__> waylandbill the little panda face - i want to eliminate it with extreme prejudice
[09:53] <rob-west> how do i install opengl
[09:53] <waylandbill> Jphenow: wow. mobo issues you think?
[09:54] <Jphenow> mobo?
[09:54] <rob-west> how do i install opengl
[09:54] <waylandbill> stuart__: little panda face?
[09:54] <jarn> arrenlex: Will this disable sound while it's playing? Because I don't have sound.
[09:54] <rob-west> !ati
[09:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:54] <rob-west> !atiglx
[09:54] <stuart__> waylandbill the icon for panda security
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atiglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <rob-west> !ati|glx
[09:54] <ubotu> glx: please see above
[09:55] <rob-west> !ati | glx
[09:55] <ubotu> glx: please see above
[09:55] <stuart__> waylandbill it's got an uninstaller - let me try it
[09:55] <Jphenow> what's mobo?
[09:55] <waylandbill> motherboard
[09:55] <stuart__> waylandbill: lol
[09:56] <Jphenow> oh haha noooo
[09:56] <waylandbill> :)
[09:56] <Jphenow> im on the live cd at the moment
[09:56] <stuart__> waylandbill: the uninstaller worked (without a password) - so much for high security
[09:56] <waylandbill> Jphenow: then the vid card works just fine
[09:56] <stuart__> waylandbill: lol
[09:57] <Jphenow> i been on terminal and live cd allll day it's horrible, this is why i want to try reinstalling the basic components to kubuntu without touching the stuff i put in there
[09:57] <waylandbill> stuart__: if you didn't use super user to install, you wouldn't need super user to remove
[09:57] <Jphenow> yes i know it works, but i think some internals of the OS are too messed to diagnose, unless you have any idears?
[09:57] <Jphenow> im always open to quick or mildly short fix
[09:57] <stuart__> waylandbill: ok, thanks. Have you used Suse 10.2 (KDE version)?
[09:58] <jarn> ls
[09:58] <rob-west> !restricted
[09:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:58] <jarn> er
[09:58] <jarn> lol
[09:58] <rob-west> i need help enabling restricted packages
[09:58] <waylandbill> stuart__: nope. I last used opensuse at 10.0. didn't like rpm. yast didn't have packages I wanted
[09:59] <jarn> Is there a program that can play wav files from the command line?
[09:59] <stuart__> waylandbill: OK. I tried Kubuntu and 10.2 on same machine (old PIV 3Ghz, 1 Gb ram) and 10.2 was very nice
[09:59] <chavo> jarn, aplay
[09:59] <jarn> chavo: Thanks.
[10:00] <stuart__> waylandbill: particularly responsive and well integrated beagle and a few other things. How best to go about recommending such (usability) changes to Ubuntu without bagging it?
[10:00] <stuart__> waylandbill: via forums or do you know of a list?
[10:01] <waylandbill> stuart__: kerry integrates beagle. I bet you want the suse kde menu replacement.
[10:01] <Jphenow> !reinstall
[10:01] <ubotu> To renew the configuration of a package when installing, sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>. Note that you will lose ALL config files for that package. WARNING: This is dangerous, don't do this with core packages
[10:02] <stuart__> waylandbill: kerry in kubuntu doesnt work like suse does. There interface is better and the search terms return results a bit more like they would be in Google
[10:02] <Jphenow> how can one reinstall core parts to kubuntu without losing everything?
[10:03] <stuart__> waylandbill: No I switched to traditional KDE menu- didn't like that menu they'd spent time and money on
[10:03] <stuart__> waylandbill: Main thing is the level of polish and responsiveness which is way beyopnd what standard Kubuntu offers
[10:03] <waylandbill> stuart__: oh. most persons I've talked to like kickoff after seeing in suse
[10:04] <stuart__> waylandbill: If you mean the default "start" menu -- no I thought it was a step backwards after being used to the Windows paradigm
[10:04] <waylandbill> Jphenow: I'd burn important data to a cd-r and do a clean install.
[10:05] <waylandbill> Jphenow: and put /home on a seperate partition next time.
[10:05] <waylandbill> stuart__: kickoff is supposed to mimick vista, so perhaps vista is a step back. ;)
[10:06] <Jphenow> no i don't have important files there...it's just some of the installs were like jumping through flaming hoops
[10:07] <stuart__> waylandbill: haven't REALLY tried Vista and won't be in the near future. Office 2007 depresses me. It must be GUI interface design 101 -- "don't radically change the UI" surely. Now I can't find stuff lol
[10:08] <waylandbill> stuart__: I wouldn't put vista on my worst enemies machine. :)
[10:09] <stuart__> waylandbill: there's still not a critical mass behind that OS in terms of drivers and stuff. Linux is the better option I'm sure. You got to wonder how they took so long and still didn't make a big improvement....
[10:09] <waylandbill> Jphenow: should install pretty easy. if you have issues during install, I'd imagine those would carry on to the install
[10:10] <Jphenow> no no no the things aside from the OS itself i jumped through hoops for
[10:10] <waylandbill> stuart__: my brother in law installed vista... that's why I don't like in-laws. ;)
[10:10] <waylandbill> Jphenow: oh.. extra programs.
[10:10] <jarn> Is there any way to get audio off a vob file quicker than realtime?
[10:10] <Xeracy> if anyone could answer a quick question: when installing kubuntu, im using 40gb of a harddisk. of that 40gb, how much should i set aside for a swap partition?
[10:11] <stuart__> waylandbill: lol The repositories that "come" with Ubuntu (tho not enabled by default), eg. universe. How "safe" are they? If someone wanted to contribute malicious code would it be noticed?
[10:14] <waylandbill> stuart__: it's possible, but there is many people who use it and we'd hear about it
[10:15] <stuart__> waylandbill: so you think it's improbably that any trojans have been slipped into a package?
[10:15] <waylandbill> stuart__: you can enable the universe source repo and examine the code if you are concerned. :)
[10:15] <stuart__> waylandbill: woops improbable
[10:16] <Xeracy> nevermind on previous question
[10:16] <stuart__> waylandbill:: i'm not technical and certainly not a programmer. It just seems like way to compromise a system without to much effort...
[10:16] <stuart__> waylandbill: so it bothers me a bit
[10:18] <waylandbill> stuart__: that's why open source depends on people looking at those things
[10:19] <stuart__> waylandbill: so do you reckon anyone does look or are they all like me and just install stuff?
[10:19] <waylandbill> lol. yeah I think they do.
[10:21] <stuart__> waylandbill:: so would there be pple that install universe stuff or equivalent in other distros (without code auditing) in "production" environments?
[10:23] <waylandbill> stuart__: sure.
[10:24] <waylandbill> stuart__: check out "masters of the universe" for more info.
[10:24] <stuart__> waylandbill: k will do thanks for the chat -- I'd better go
[10:24] <waylandbill> !motu
[10:24] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:26] <stuart__> waylandbill: motu -- thanks
[10:26] <waylandbill> stuart__: n/p. take care.
[10:26] <ddd>   ?
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[10:27] <apokryphos> ddd: utf-8 only please
[10:27] <ddd> sorry
[10:27] <ddd>   ?
[10:29] <ddd>          
[10:30] <waylandbill> !ru
[10:30] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:00] <asaup> hi
[11:00] <asaup> does anyone know how can i get a tv app
[11:01] <asaup> for kubuntu
[11:01] <asaup> ??
[11:01] <Lynoure> asaup: what kind of tv app?
[11:02] <Lynoure> asaup: mythtv is one choice
[11:02] <asaup> a tv app that i can see free tv live in internet
[11:03] <Lynoure> asaup: I do not even know a service offering that online. Sorry.
[11:03] <asaup> Lynoure: can i see tv channels live in internet with mythtv
[11:04] <asaup> ok
[11:04] <asaup> np
[11:04] <asaup> thanx anyways
[11:05] <Lynoure> asaup: If you tell me a service that offers regular tv over internet, I can try to find client software for that service
[11:05] <asaup> ok
[11:08] <asaup> is LinuxTV.org a service ??
[11:09] <fdoving> asaup: no. it's the dvb-project.
[11:09] <asaup> what is that
[11:09] <asaup> ??
[11:09] <asaup> does it needs to see live tv??
[11:09] <fdoving> the project maintaining the dvb-part of the linux kernel.
[11:10] <asaup> ok sorry and thank you
[11:17] <Archon> does kubuntu livecd come with SSHD (SSH daemon)?
[11:18] <fdoving> yes, i belive it does.
[11:18] <fdoving> i think you have to install it though.
[11:18] <fdoving> it is on the cd.
[11:26] <elod> helo
[11:28] <ScarFreewill> how can i mount a .mdf (i don't want to convert it just mount)
[11:29] <ScarFreewill> eg. sudo mount -o loop ./image.mdf /media/cdrom
[11:29] <fdoving> ScarFreewill: did you try exactly that?
[11:30] <michael> hi
[11:30] <ScarFreewill> fdoving: yes but linux doesn't support mdf only stuff like iso...
[11:30] <fdoving> ScarFreewill: i'm not sure that's true.
[11:30] <fdoving> i don't have any mdfs around to test.
[11:31] <fdoving> but http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Mounting_Iso_Files says something about it.
[11:31] <ScarFreewill> fdoving: well what i mean is mdf is not  "free"
[11:31] <fdoving> doesn't need to be.
[11:31] <fdoving> openoffice can read .doc files, openoffice is still free, even if .doc is not.
[11:31] <ScarFreewill> yeah, so its not supported by default...
[11:32] <asaup> hi
[11:32] <zorglu_> q. i would like to get the desktop to run dolphin instead of konqueror when i click on the desktop icon for my usbdisk (the one with file:///media/usbdisk). where should i look ?
[11:32] <cpk1> mount image.mdf /wheretomount -o loop=/dev/loop0 ScarFreewill he linked you that for a reason =)
[11:32] <asaup> can anyone give a look at this page and say to me what do i have to download to play the stream there
[11:32] <asaup> www.vitrinat.com
[11:32] <ScarFreewill> cpk1: then i need cdemu
[11:33] <ScarFreewill> !info cdemu feisty
[11:33] <ubotu> Package cdemu does not exist in feisty
[11:33] <ScarFreewill> and then i need to compile it....
[11:33] <michael> got a problem with kubuntu edgy. just standard installed, git now the kernel 2.6.17-10-386, but im running with a amd turion tl-56 (dual core). what is the correct kernel ?
[11:34] <fdoving> zorglu_: only for your usb stick, not all directories?
[11:35] <zorglu_> fdoving: in fact all filebrowsing would be fine. but im mainly interested in the usbdisk because they are the one i browse
[11:35] <asaup> can anyone give a look at this page and say to me what do i have to download to play the stream there
[11:35] <asaup> can anyone give a look at this page and say to me what do i have to download to play the stream there
[11:35] <asaup> www.vitrinat.com
[11:35] <asaup> plz
[11:37] <MarcoPau> does kubuntu have an iptables by default?
[11:37] <heinkel_111> hi - my screensaver starts ok, but my system locks up after some time (maybe related to power saving settings)? Is this a known kubuntu bug? I am using Kubuntu edgy eft 6.10.
[11:37] <Chousuke> MarcoPau: yes.
[11:37] <fdoving> zorglu_: ok, all directories is easier i think. not sure it will behave as you expect though.. haven't tested it much. but anyway. kmenu -> run command -> 'kcmshell filetypes' -> inode -> directory - move dolphin to the top.
[11:37] <heinkel_111> when the system locks up, it does not respond to remote logins
[11:37] <Chousuke> MarcoPau: or iptables, not "an iptables"
[11:38] <zorglu_> fdoving: thanks trying
[11:38] <heinkel_111> i think X.org just escalates to 100%
[11:38] <MarcoPau> Chousuke: yea well :) which one would be the file?
[11:38] <Chousuke> MarcoPau: er, iptables is part of the kernel.
[11:38] <Chousuke> MarcoPau: did you mean an iptables script that sets up a firewall?
[11:39] <MarcoPau> Chousuke: that's what I meant
[11:39] <MarcoPau> :)
[11:39] <Chousuke> MarcoPau: in that case, there is none. install firestarter or something if you want it.
[11:39] <Chousuke> !firewall
[11:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:39] <zorglu_> fdoving: it worked, thanks again :)
[11:39] <fdoving> heinkel_111: what about memory consumption?
[11:39] <fdoving> zorglu_: great. :)
[11:40] <heinkel_111> fdoving: it would be nice to know, but the system is completely locked and I cannot extract any information
[11:41] <heinkel_111> fdoving: I need to use my power button to reboot
[11:43] <fdoving> heinkel_111: ouch, did you search launchpad for similar reports? - you could setup a timer script that dumped some memory/cpu info to a file every second or something.. to figure out what happens.
[11:43] <asaup> can anyone give a look at this page and say to me what do i have to download to play the stream there
[11:43] <asaup> plz
[11:43] <asaup> www.vitrinat.com
[11:44] <heinkel_111> fdoving..i must do that search launchpad thing, I am not too familiar with it :S I have been googleing araound a little but...
[11:44] <heinkel_111> fdoving: --> #kubuntu-no
[11:54] <Naithin> 'ello all. :)
[11:54] <Shepard[Russia] > hi hi hi
[11:54] <Naithin> How goes ya, Shepard?
[11:55] <Shepard[Russia] > Normal, i think! :) What about u?
[11:56] <Naithin> Hah, about the same here.. I think.. :) Just enabled Full Duplex sound via the sound system config, and it's cycled through the percentage bar several times, now is doing it again albeit more slowly.
[11:56] <Naithin> Is that normal? Is it recompiling the sound systems in the background or somesuch?
[11:57] <Steven_M> is there an easy way to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure on all packages?
[11:58] <fdoving> Steven_M: -a
[11:58] <Steven_M> fdoving: thanks :)
[11:59] <fdoving> Steven_M: if you want more questions you can use '-plow -a'
[12:00] <jf> hi
[12:00] <Naithin> 'ello jf.
[12:01] <jf> hi first time here i am looking for some help
[12:02] <H264> Hi
[12:03] <nja> hi! my friend had kubuntu edgy. after we've installed vlc, whenever he clicked on any folder it would open in vlc instead of konqueror. looking up what proggies where associated with opening folders in konqueror, there were none. any1 knows about that?
[12:03] <jf> someone willing to help a newbie
[12:03] <Naithin> Whatcha need jf? Fairly new myself, but might be able to help. :)
[12:04] <jf> since long ago i can not go into apt, i have tried the terminal but getting an arror mesage always
[12:04] <Naithin> What does it say?
[12:05] <jf> something about joomla
[12:05] <jf> its very extrange
[12:05] <fdoving> nja: kmenu -> run command  -> 'kcmshell filetypes' -> inode -> directory -> add -> type 'konqueror' in the text field. hit 'OK'.
[12:05] <nja> fdoving: merci ;)
[12:06] <H264> I just wanted to say I printed my first lable, for Kubuntu :)
[12:06] <jf> in terminal?
[12:06] <nja> joomla? the content management software?
[12:07] <nja> what exactly does it say?
[12:07] <jf> wait i will do it again to tell you
[12:08] <jf> command not found this what i get right now
[12:08] <jf> get- apt update
[12:08] <Naithin> Is there any way to enable composite render methods with an ATI card using the proprietary ATI drivers? And still be able to use WINE or Cedega?
[12:09] <jf> no idea how to do this
[12:09] <nja> jf: well, it's actually apt-get update
[12:09] <Naithin> apt-get, nae get-apt
[12:09] <Naithin> Yeah
[12:09] <Naithin> sudo apt-get update
[12:09] <jf> i do that as root but it does not work
[12:10] <jf> what else can i do?
[12:10] <Naithin> What does it say when you do it that way?
[12:10] <nja> paste the exact message
[12:10] <jf> command not found
[12:10] <Naithin> copy and paste this:
[12:10] <Naithin> sudo apt-get update
[12:10] <Naithin> into a terminal window
[12:10] <Naithin> and tell me the output
[12:11] <nja> you probably deleted the apt tools if it says command not found
[12:11] <jf> this is what i get now
[12:11] <jf> joomla is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.lis
[12:11] <jf> why joomla
[12:11] <jf> ?
[12:11] <Naithin> Ahhh
[12:11] <Naithin> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:12] <fdoving> kate :)
[12:12] <fdoving> gedit is gnomish :)
[12:12] <Naithin> Meh! Hehe. I had ubuntu first and then migrated, still gettin used to it.
[12:12] <jf>  command not found
[12:12] <jf> again
[12:13] <Naithin> Also.. Does anyone know if 'restarting sound system' is supposed to take an exceedingly long time when enabling full duplex?
[12:13] <Naithin> Sorry jf, that was my bad.
[12:13] <Naithin> If you installed with Kubuntu directly you likely don't have gedit
[12:13] <Naithin> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <jf> connect to X server
[12:14] <jf> en now my pass
[12:14] <chavo> you should use kdesu for graphical apps
[12:15] <nja> OK, jf, type kdesu "kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:16] <jf> kate /etc/apt/sources.list: not found
[12:16] <jf> not found
[12:16] <stuart_> waylandbill: r u still here?
[12:17] <nja> hmm...
[12:17] <nja> sources.list missing?
[12:17] <jf> i am in root shell
[12:17] <nja> ok yeah, no need for sudo then... :)
[12:17] <Shepard[Russia] > /,e will back soon
[12:18] <nja> type: ls /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <nja> does it say file not found?
[12:18] <jf> root@jf-laptop:~#
[12:19] <jf> must i type my pass
[12:19] <jf> ?
[12:19] <nja> this is a command to list the file sources.list, password not required
[12:20] <jf> i got this also  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <nja> if u got it, i don't know why kate wouldn't open it...
[12:21] <jf> i have a question
[12:21] <Naithin> Try to open kate on it's own, and then browse to it manually
[12:21] <heinkel_111> strange
[12:21] <jf> where do i find kate?
[12:22] <heinkel_111> I just passed a sudo mount command and it did not ask for password??
[12:22] <heinkel_111> it jsut mounted the damn thing :S
[12:22] <jf> i found it
[12:22] <nja> heinkel_111: it keeps the password for a certain amount of time
[12:22] <nja> jf: if kate is installed, it should be runnable by just typing kate into the console
[12:22] <heinkel_111> yeah i know that, but is should not keep it this long...
[12:23] <heinkel_111> yeah i know that, but it should not keep it this long...
[12:23] <jf> The file file:///home/jf/repositoiries.odt is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file.
[12:23] <jf> i got this when trying to open the repositories
[12:23] <nja> heinkel_111: then edit /etc/sudoers just a sec, ill find u a guide
[12:23] <Naithin> jf: You need sources.list not that one
[12:24] <jf> it seems to me that some files are corrupt
[12:25] <nja> jf: u tried to open a document kate cannot open. that's normal. odt is an OpenOffice document. Please open /etc/apt/sources.list in kate! Kate has to be opened with root privileges!
[12:25] <jf> wher do i find sources list?
[12:26] <nja> here: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:26] <Naithin> ./etc/apt
[12:26] <nja> heinkel_111: http://www.wlug.org.nz/SudoHowto G'luck!
[12:27] <heinkel_111> nja - thank you
[12:27] <jf> en now
[12:27] <jf> i opened
[12:27] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:27] <nja> np
[12:27] <Ace2016> anyone know a good how to compile xgl from git/cvs guide?
[12:28] <jf> ./etc/apt but nothing happen
[12:28] <nja> without the . Naithin wrote it cuz IRC figures it's a command if it starts with /
[12:29] <Ace2016> maybe a space should have been left at the start so its " /etc/apt"
[12:30] <Tm_T> /foo/foo
[12:30] <Tm_T> What space? ;)
[12:31] <jf> is there a way to open my computer to somebody else?
[12:32] <nja> jf: OK, once again: 1.) Open the run dialogue and type kdesu kate 2.) Browse to /etc/apt/sources.list 3.) Listen to what Naithin has to say ;)
[12:32] <Ace2016> jf: run windows with no firewall?
[12:32] <Naithin> lol
[12:33] <H264> I would like to know if I could keep a fat 32 partitiono on my hardrive for windows and put Kubuntu on the other partition, and maybe a couple others
[12:33] <nja> H264: no problem with that one
[12:33] <H264> currently the whole drive is formated in fat32 on one partition that has windows
[12:33] <Naithin> H264: Yeah, you can do that. You can have a NTFS windows partition, a EXT3 linux partition, and then a shared FAT32 working together very nicely.
[12:34] <jf> in root shell or in kate??
[12:34] <Naithin> H264: Look for a lil app called 'parted' it's a decent non distructive partition manager. But YMMV, use at own risk, insert additional disclaimer comments here.
[12:34] <H264> heh, well, if I was the Linux partition on the same drive I would corrupt the other windows partitions on the drive
[12:35] <Ace2016> H264: how big is the hard disk?
[12:35] <H264> 120gigs
[12:35] <Naithin> You can have multiple partitions on one physical drive without issue (typically). If you have any important data, back it up.
[12:35] <jf> i have pasted what you said in root terminal en kate was open again en now?
[12:35] <Ace2016> H264: how can that all be fat32? are there more than one partition?
[12:35] <H264> no
[12:36] <nja> jf: open /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:36] <Naithin> FAT32 allows big partitions with LBS or whatever that hdd extension mode is, I forget now.
[12:36] <H264> I think only windows XP and Vista? limits that
[12:36] <jf> i have paste what you said in root terminla en kate was open agagin en Now?
[12:36] <Naithin> So it's possible.. just not terribly great..
[12:36] <Naithin> Considering how large each cluster will be.
[12:36] <Ace2016> jf: try kdesu kate
[12:36] <Ace2016> jf: then you can to file > open and find the file and open it and edit it
[12:37] <Ace2016> jf: kdesu kate in Alt+f2
[12:37] <Naithin> In any case, the short answer is yes H. What you want is possible.
[12:37] <nja> jf: open /etc/apt/sources.list , for Big Bang's sake!
[12:37] <nja> Ace2016: ?
[12:37] <Naithin> And it is possible to change partition setup without destroying data. Usually.
[12:37] <Ace2016> nja: what?
[12:37] <H264> so after I install it, how would I boot from it?
[12:37] <H264> F8?
[12:37] <Naithin> If you have any important documents or files, back 'em up before trying.
[12:38] <H264> not on that HD, just games
[12:38] <jf> kate: WARNING: Can't open /root/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[12:38] <nja> jf: ignore that crap in the console!
[12:38] <H264> lol
[12:38] <Naithin> It would likely install GRUB, which will allow you to chose OS on boot by hitting ESC while it loads.
[12:38] <Ace2016> its because you haven't used konqueror in root
[12:39] <nja> go to file - open and browse to /etc/apt/ . open the file sources.list
[12:39] <H264> very good... one last question...
[12:40] <oem> i cannot get firefox to install can enyone help me?
[12:40] <nja> oem: package or source?
[12:40] <adydas_> use opera....
[12:40] <Naithin> oem: It should have been installed by default.. Unless only the ubuntu package does that and not ku.. hmm.. What does it say when you try in any case?
[12:40] <H264> will the min file size decrease if I shrink the fat32 partition?
[12:40] <oem> OEM
[12:41] <oem> it is using conquerer
[12:41] <Naithin> Yes H. The cluster size will be reduce, meaning wasted space will also reduce if you have a lot of small files (game inis, small saves, etc)
[12:41] <H264> ok, nice.
[12:41] <H264> thankyou :)
[12:41] <jf> i did it en now
[12:41] <jf> i got something about joomla
[12:41] <nja> oem: sudo apt-get install firefox should do it!
[12:41] <oem> when i go to the firefox website Conquerer wants to savfe it as an archive
 i got something about joomla <--- the exact text please!
[12:42] <H264> I need to install kubuntu and use it myself if I plan of giving CDs away
[12:42] <Naithin> :o)
[12:42] <Ace2016> Anyone know from where i can download the latest xorg in one large file instead of the little ones
[12:42] <nja> oem: the latest firefox is already in the repositories, no need to download them from the firefox site
[12:43] <H264> Oregon (USA) does not really have a loco team yet...
[12:43] <jf> joomla
[12:43] <jf> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[12:43] <jf> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[12:43] <oem> can you tell me where to find it? i am very new to KDE
[12:43] <Naithin> Just remove (or comment (with # I believe) the joomla line, jf
[12:43] <nja> oem: sudo apt-get install firefox should do it!
[12:43] <jf> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:43] <jf> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:43] <Naithin> Enter nja's line from the console, oem.
[12:44] <nja> oem: yeah sorry, should have added that.
[12:44] <Naithin> GL H! :)
[12:45] <nja> oem: also, consider installing synaptic ( sudo apt-get install synaptic in the console ) it's a great prog that lets you browse all the software on the repositories
[12:45] <Naithin> Anyone here have much experience (or any successful experience) in getting compix/beryl to work with ATI proprietary drivers?
[12:45] <jf> ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
[12:45] <jf> ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
[12:45] <jf> ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
[12:45] <jf> ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
[12:45] <jf> ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
[12:45] <jf> # deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:45] <jf> # deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:45] <Jucato> !pastebin | jf
[12:45] <ubotu> jf: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:45] <Naithin> Synaptic is probably the most <3 application in all time.
[12:46] <Ace2016> less than 3?
[12:46] <nja> Naithin: It's not! sure, it's a bit slow, but better and less crashing than this Add/remove programs crap
[12:47] <nja> Ace2016: 3 is IRC for bottocks
[12:47] <Naithin> Hrm, new emote to you guys I see! Flip the <3 around so the < becomes a v and you have a heart! :)
[12:47] <Naithin> Synaptic is great, is essentially what I meant.
[12:48] <nja> Naithin: LOL! As far as I remember you always rotate your head counter clockwise, like with the smileys
[12:48] <Ace2016> it looks like ice cream
[12:48] <nja> so, like :) 3 becomes arse
[12:48] <Naithin> lol
[12:49] <Naithin> Actually now that you mention that
[12:49] <oem> ok where is the consol? man i feel like an idiot
[12:49] <jf> please what is right way to open my system to somebody else?
[12:49] <Naithin> I had heard that in the past the <3 emote meant arse-hat in UO.
[12:49] <jf> i do know how to do this is Kubuntu
[12:49] <Naithin> jf: There is a remote desktop package included if that is what you meant?
[12:50] <nja> jf: In what way? So that the person might browse your computer? A network?
[12:50] <Ace2016> oem: press alt+ft, then type konsole and press enter
[12:50] <jf> yes that way
[12:50] <Ace2016> i mean ALT+F2
[12:50] <jf> where is the remoet desktop package?
[12:50] <Naithin> jf: Menu -> Internet -> Krfb
[12:51] <nja> can some1 tell oem how to fire up the console? I'm not a KDE user
[12:51] <jf> Enter the address of the computer to connect to, or browse the network and select one. VNC and RDP compatible servers will be supported.
[12:51] <jf> what is the remote address
[12:51] <oem> ok i got the konsol open now hat do i do
[12:51] <Brutha-of-Om> kmenu > system > konsole
[12:52] <oem> trying to install firefox
[12:52] <nja> jf: The IP address of the computer you wanna go to
[12:52] <jf> i sthat the Ip
[12:52] <sbp_> hi room
[12:52] <jf> oo ok
[12:52] <Naithin> oem: As nja said before, sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:53] <jf> thanks NJ i will try again other time thanks a lot
[12:53] <nja> sbp_: Hi client! LOL
[12:53] <oem> ok
[12:53] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: the other way is to download the firefox tar.gz file from firefox, extract it.. and rin it from the console
[12:53] <jf> thanks naithin
[12:53] <oem> it is asking for A psw
[12:53] <Brutha-of-Om> its a longer process though
[12:54] <jf> thanks naithin
[12:54] <Naithin> np
[12:54] <nja> jf: np and try: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:54] <oem> NM psw it wanted mine lol
[12:55] <nja> oem: installing software needs your password
[12:55] <nja> just type it in
[12:55] <oem> o lol ok
[12:56] <zebar> I am sorry, what is the way for installing nvidia drivers?
[12:56] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: its abit like the cancel or allow thing..only more secure
[12:56] <adydas_> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:56] <oem> ok
[12:56] <zebar> tnx
[12:56] <Brutha-of-Om> lol... vista
[12:56] <Brutha-of-Om> eww
[12:57] <Ace2016> but with a single line you will never have to type in your password ever again, you can have fun sudoing all day
[12:57] <oem> o ok
[12:57] <oem> next question
[12:58] <Brutha-of-Om> Ace2016: if i did that id be screwing up my system every 15 minutes.. i play too much
[12:58] <oem> When i was using windows...Poor me.....I played world of warcraft. is there an emulator or proggy i can use so i can play the game without have to load windows on second partion?
[12:58] <Brutha-of-Om> wine
[12:59] <Tm_T> !wine
[12:59] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:59] <oem> ok
[12:59] <Ace2016> oem: try this: in konsole type "sudo apt-get install synaptic", let it install, then in ALT+F2 type "kdesu synaptic" then type your password, synaptic will start, click on reload to get the latest list of files and then you can use search to install whatever you want
[01:00] <jager> attenion DERS
[01:00] <jager> ATTENTION DVERS
[01:00] <Ace2016> lol
[01:00] <Ace2016> try again
[01:00] <nja> oem: also see http://www.winehq.com
[01:00] <oem> ok
[01:00] <jager> shit i forgot what i needed yer attention  for
[01:00] <jager> kame
[01:00] <jager> sorry
[01:01] <nja> Ace2016: LOL, now i know what you mean with ALT+F2
[01:01] <nja> gotta go, gbye every1!
[01:01] <Ace2016> bye
[01:01] <Brutha-of-Om> bye
[01:01] <oem> installing nw
[01:02] <ScarFreewill> sudo umount /media/cdrom --- umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy --- how can i forcefully unmount it?
[01:03] <fdoving> add -l
[01:03] <fdoving> sudo umount -l ...
[01:03] <ScarFreewill> fdoving: ty
[01:03] <Brutha-of-Om> ScarFreewill: make sure u arent in the directory ur unmounting
[01:03] <oem> also how do i view my second drives folders?> I cannot find the drive :(
[01:03] <fw1987> ciao a tutti
[01:03] <ScarFreewill> Brutha-of-Om: it not that but thanks anyways
[01:04] <ScarFreewill> ciao
[01:04] <fw1987> qualcuno puo darmi una mano?
[01:04] <ScarFreewill> bella
[01:04] <abattoir> !it | fw1987
[01:04] <ubotu> fw1987: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:04] <Brutha-of-Om> np... just trying from the basics first... the amount of times that has stuffed me up ;)
[01:04] <Ace2016> oem: Alt+F2 and type system:/  then click on storage media, then click on the drive you want to look at
[01:05] <oem> ok
[01:05] <Ace2016> oem: or Alt+F2  then type in ~ to run konqueror get you to your home folder, then type in /media in the address bar to get there
[01:06] <oem> ok
[01:10] <oem> ok all that media shows me is my 2 CD rom drives not the slave disk
[01:10] <Brutha-of-Om> is it a slave harddrive?.. on sata?
[01:10] <Brutha-of-Om> sorry... \
[01:10] <oem> Sata?
[01:10] <Brutha-of-Om> just realised what i typed
[01:11] <oem> and yes it is a slave HD
[01:11] <Brutha-of-Om> i mean.. is is a slave drive on one of those grey ribbon cables
[01:11] <oem> yes
[01:11] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. and it already has an existing partition
[01:11] <oem> yes
[01:11] <oem> NTFS
[01:11] <Brutha-of-Om> in console type pmount /dev/hdb1
[01:11] <oem> and FAT32
[01:12] <Brutha-of-Om> in console type pmount /dev/hdb1 for the first partition
[01:12] <Brutha-of-Om> and pmount /dev/hdb1 for the second partition
[01:12] <Brutha-of-Om> and pmount /dev/hdb2 for the second partition
[01:13] <varusso> hola
[01:13] <varusso> necesito una pqa manita
[01:13] <oem> cpmount /dev/hdb1
[01:13] <varusso> estoy intentando instalar kubuntu
[01:13] <oem> Could not run the specified command.
[01:13] <varusso> ya lo instale en el portatil
[01:13] <Brutha-of-Om> pount
[01:13] <oem> mount/dev/hdb1
[01:13] <Brutha-of-Om> pmount
[01:13] <varusso> pero en el pc me es imposible
[01:14] <Lynoure> !es | varusso
[01:14] <ubotu> varusso: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:14] <oem> it said the same for pmount as well
[01:14] <Brutha-of-Om> pmount /dev/hdb1
[01:14] <oem> that is why i took off the p
[01:14] <varusso> llevo dias buscando en google y no he conseguido nada
[01:14] <Brutha-of-Om> ok... sudo mkdir /media/hdb1
[01:14] <Brutha-of-Om> and then.... sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[01:17] <oem> when i do this should it not open another window or folder or somthing?
[01:17] <Steven_M_> hi all
[01:17] <Brutha-of-Om> what happened?
[01:17] <Ace2016> hi
[01:18] <Brutha-of-Om> u should be able to open konqueror and type in the address bar /media
[01:18] <oem> I typed it like i read it and it the search just disappears
[01:18] <Brutha-of-Om> and see the hdb directory listed
[01:18] <oem> just tried and it said.....no items no files no folders
[01:19] <Brutha-of-Om> in konqueror?
[01:19] <Brutha-of-Om> in the address bar?
[01:19] <oem> yes
[01:19] <Brutha-of-Om> just /media?
[01:20] <oem> not even media
[01:20] <Brutha-of-Om> i havent had that one before.. hmmmm
[01:20] <Brutha-of-Om> ok
[01:20] <Brutha-of-Om> ur on edgy?
[01:20] <oem> locate:sudo+mkdir+/media/hdb1
[01:21] <oem> that is what it translated to in the addy bar after the search
[01:21] <Brutha-of-Om> in console type cd /media
[01:21] <Brutha-of-Om> and then ls
[01:21] <oem> ok
[01:22] <luca> hi everyone
[01:22] <Brutha-of-Om> hi
[01:22] <Brutha-of-Om> brb
[01:23] <luca> is there anyone here experiencing constant msn connection problems with kopete?
[01:23] <Steven_M_> I accidentily recked my edgy intallation after running dpkg-reconfigure -a. Is there any way to get intall cd to restore the default installation without reinstalling my whole system?
[01:23] <vlt|l> Hello. On a multi user machine running ubuntu Dapper one user gets "[Java framework]  Error in function createUserSettingsDocument (elements.cxx).javaldx failed!" when trying to run OpenOffice. What could be setup wrong here?
[01:24] <oem> > the result of the search in consol was ....
[01:24] <oem> > oem@ubuntu:~$ cd /media
[01:24] <oem> > oem@ubuntu:/media$
[01:24] <luca> Steven_M_ if you still have internet connection, I think that simply using synaptic to install the package kubuntu-desktop could be enough
[01:24] <luca> I personally unistalled and reinstalled the system without problems, when I was still new and experiencing ;)
[01:25] <Brutha-of-Om> ok back
[01:25] <luca> (and without the cd)
[01:25] <Brutha-of-Om> ok... oem... what does ls say?
[01:25] <oem> oem@ubuntu:/media$
[01:26] <Steven_M_> luca: would that fix the xorg settings and everthing
[01:27] <oem> when i entered .....cd /media that is what it gave me
[01:27] <luca> Steven_M_ worth a shot
[01:27] <luca> but DO NOT reboot your system
[01:28] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok.. so from there type sudo mkdir hdb1
[01:28] <Steven_M_> luca: any other ideas incase that doesn't work?
[01:29] <Steven_M_> luca: why not reboot?
[01:29] <oem> this is the result
[01:29] <oem> oem@ubuntu:/media$
[01:29] <Brutha-of-Om> type ls
[01:29] <Brutha-of-Om> oem
[01:30] <luca> Steven_M_ because if you reboot the system will not be able to reload wrecked packages
[01:30] <luca> try it for now, I have not other ideas...
[01:30] <luca> I fear that in case you should recompile xorg by hand, and I am not the right guy to ask in that case :)
[01:31] <Steven_M_> it may already be too late
[01:31] <oem> oem@ubuntu:/media$ ls...........the result.......cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  hdb1
[01:31] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. now type sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[01:32] <oem> ok i guess it is mounted
[01:32] <Brutha-of-Om> cd hdb1
[01:32] <Brutha-of-Om> and then ls
[01:33] <oem> shows 3 cdroms in color and then HD1
[01:33] <oem> hdb1
[01:33] <Brutha-of-Om> cd hdb1
[01:34] <oem> permission denied
[01:36] <Brutha-of-Om> sudo chmod 777 -Rv hdb1
[01:36] <oem> ok
[01:37] <windwalker> Hi stdin :)
[01:37] <oem> ok so right now it is goingthrough all of my music in the drive however it is flooding very quickly in the Konsol
[01:38] <Brutha-of-Om> yep
[01:38] <oem> > hmod: changing permissions of `hdb1/ymjsetup_22.exe': Read-only file system
[01:38] <oem> > failed to change mode of `hdb1/ymjsetup_22.exe' to 0777 (rwxrwxrwx)
[01:38] <oem> > chmod: changing permissions of `hdb1/Addon': Read-only file system
[01:38] <oem> > failed to change mode of `hdb1/Addon' to 0777 (rwxrwxrwx)
[01:38] <oem> > oem@ubuntu:/media$
[01:38] <oem> thats what was at the end
[01:38] <fdoving> you can't set permissions on files on a fat32/ntfs filesystem
[01:38] <Brutha-of-Om> when u make a dir and mount it as sudo it makes sudo the only one who can acceess it
[01:39] <Brutha-of-Om> so what the last command did was change owner to all
[01:39] <oem> ok but now can i mount the drive and use what is in it like my MP3's?
[01:39] <oem> ok
[01:39] <Brutha-of-Om> so now u should be able to cd hdb1
[01:39] <Brutha-of-Om> and then ls
[01:39] <Brutha-of-Om> and it will show u all the files
[01:40] <oem> > oem@ubuntu:/media$ cd hdb1
[01:40] <oem> > bash: cd: hdb1: Permission denied
[01:40] <Naithin> Question: Do you require SAMBA to network a WinXP machine with a Linux machine? And what is the visibility like of the files between them? I have a feeling I've picked the worst possible format types. Heh. I can get a NTFS addition for Linux np, I know.. But can I get an Ext3 reader for WinXP?
[01:41] <Naithin> This is one area I have practically zilcho experience, but would like to get setup.
[01:41] <fdoving> Brutha-of-Om, oem: you can't change permissions on a fat32 filesystem, it doesn't support it.
[01:41] <oem> ok what about the NTFS?
[01:41] <fdoving> Naithin: yes, you can get an ext3-reader for windows. check out http://fs-driver.org
[01:41] <Brutha-of-Om> fdoving: yes.. the permissions arent changing.. but when u mount something as root it has the dir owner as root
[01:42] <Brutha-of-Om> and wont let anyone else access them
[01:42] <Naithin> Hurrah, thanks fdoving.
[01:42] <Naithin> And re Samba, is that how it's done?
[01:42] <Naithin> In terms of networking the two?
[01:42] <fdoving> Brutha-of-Om: changing the permission of the dir you mount to won't help, you'll have to either mount it as the user who should access the data, or add some options to mount.
[01:43] <Brutha-of-Om> fdoving: works for me.. atleast.. thats how ive always done it
[01:43] <Brutha-of-Om> maybe i should stop using voodoo linux lol
[01:44] <oem> so my slave drive i might as well format in what format and start all my files over? or is there a proggy i need to get to view and use them?
[01:44] <fdoving> oem: how did you mount the drive, in the first place?
[01:44] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. try another way.... in consloe type kdesu konqueror /media
[01:45] <tulga> my NTFS partition not working. then I use 6.10, then mounted ntfs. then I can see datas in /dev/hda1 partition. howto restore ntfs partition from 6.10?
[01:45] <fdoving> oem: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[01:45] <fdoving> !ntfs > tulga
[01:45] <oem> SWEET!!!!!!
[01:45] <fdoving> tulga: see message from ubotu.
[01:46] <oem> Ok now how do i create a short to this hd
[01:46] <oem> shortcut to the desktop i mean
[01:47] <Brutha-of-Om> is the sweet in reference to the command kdesu konqueror /media ?
[01:47] <oem> Yes
[01:47] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. and u can go into hdb1
[01:47] <Brutha-of-Om> ?
[01:47] <oem> It work and now the entire folder is open and usable
[01:48] <oem> HD i mean
[01:48] <Brutha-of-Om> ok...
[01:48] <oem> you are very good
[01:48] <Brutha-of-Om> right click on hdb1 and click properties
[01:49] <oem> ok
[01:49] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. go to permissions
[01:49] <Brutha-of-Om> and make everyone have access
[01:49] <Brutha-of-Om> change owner group and others to can view and modify content
[01:50] <oem> could not change access
[01:50] <oem> Could not change permissions for /media/hdb1
[01:51] <Brutha-of-Om> rats... running out of ideas
[01:51] <Brutha-of-Om> umm.. ok.. close konqueror
[01:51] <Brutha-of-Om> type cd ..
[01:51] <Brutha-of-Om> and then sudo umount /dev/hdb1
[01:51] <Brutha-of-Om> then type sudo apt-get install pmount
[01:54] <oem> > Reading package lists... Done
[01:54] <oem> > Building dependency tree
[01:54] <oem> > Reading state information... Done
[01:54] <oem> > pmount is already the newest version.
[01:54] <oem> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:54] <oem> > oem@ubuntu:~$
[01:54] <Jucato> oem: please use the pastebin next time
[01:54] <calero> hola
[01:54] <Jucato> !pastebin | oem
[01:54] <ubotu> oem: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:54] <Jucato> thanks
[01:54] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. so what happens when u type pmount
[01:54] <oem> What is that?
[01:54] <calero> alguien me puede ayudar en espaol??
[01:55] <oem> is it possible to do PM? so i do not flood i dont want to be kicked
[01:56] <Jucato> oem: not necessary. just pastebin the output, and paste the URL of the pastebin
[01:56] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: what happens when u type pmount in the console
[01:57] <tsdgeos> !es
[01:57] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:57] <oem> gives me a list and says a host of things....where is paste bin?
[01:58] <schmidtfrk> hi
[01:58] <Brutha-of-Om> ok... type pmount /dev/hdb1
[01:58] <schmidtfrk> 
[01:58] <oem> ok i will do so now
[01:58] <oem> Error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable
[01:59] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok.. ill be back soon... going to look a few things up
[02:00] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8363/
[02:00] <oem> is that the url?
[02:00] <oem> ok i need a 5 min break
[02:00] <oem> brb in a few
[02:00] <_Daisuke_Ido_> hmm... Small Gods :)
[02:01] <Brutha-of-Om> lol yeah :)
[02:01] <Brutha-of-Om> Pratchett fan (disc world)
[02:01] <_Daisuke_Ido_> what's the difference between beryl and compiz?
[02:01] <oem> hey i am trying. just sick of windows and everything i want to learn how to use this
[02:01] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i hear them mentioned in the same breath a lot of times
[02:02] <_Daisuke_Ido_> oh, definitely a pratchett fan.
[02:02] <_Daisuke_Ido_> oem: you can make the switch :)  you're willing to learn something new, which is more than i can say for a lot of people
[02:03] <_Daisuke_Ido_> so you're already one up on the rest.  rest assured, things only get easier
[02:04] <Brutha-of-Om> _Daisuke_Ido_: u might be interested in this.. bit off the topic.. but interesting posts none the less http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=347327
[02:05] <sc0tch> Anyone know if there are any KDE themes that mimic enlightenment?
[02:06] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: sorry.. still looking
[02:06] <compilerwriter> sc0tch pardon my ignorance, but what in blazes is enlightenment?
[02:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> my thing with beryl though, is that text was virtually unreadable - even setting the dpi for fonts.
[02:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> !enlightenment | compilerwriter
[02:07] <ubotu> compilerwriter: Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[02:07] <sc0tch> It actually started as a window manager, but saw it used as a theme in a livecd (running gnome).
[02:07] <oem> ok im back now
[02:08] <oem> will i always have to search for that drive
[02:08] <ForgeAus> kde mimicing enlightenment?
[02:08] <ForgeAus> thats different
[02:08] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: no.. there is a way to mae it mount on boot
[02:08] <oem> o ok
[02:09] <compilerwriter> speaking of gui's does kde automatically update to the latest stable version when my computer does the automatic update thing, or will I have to go get the latest and greatest manually?
[02:09] <_Daisuke_Ido_> err, that depends on your distro
[02:10] <compilerwriter> sc0tch you could compile E couldn't you?
[02:10] <ForgeAus> theres a command something like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:10] <_Daisuke_Ido_> fiesty includes 3.5.6, edgy can be upgraded to 3.5.6, and dapper can't (i don't think)
[02:10] <ForgeAus> that will upgrade to the latest Kubuntu distro
[02:10] <ForgeAus> I'm on edgy with 3.5.6
[02:10] <ForgeAus> and QT4
[02:10] <oem> i remeber reading that after setting up the way you wanted with sudo that you needed to reboot does that mean i should reboot now or later?
[02:10] <sc0tch> compilerwriter: looks like that is where I'm headed.
[02:11] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: type this sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[02:11] <ForgeAus> oem... sounds like a good idea if your able to
[02:11] <compilerwriter> sc0tch want to help me do it.  I am all sort of new to this and could use the experience of compiling a program by hand.
[02:11] <ForgeAus> if not try to make as few configuration alterations until you can reboot
[02:11] <compilerwriter> I'll try E whilst I am at it too.
[02:13] <ForgeAus> I didn't get very far with enlightenment and I wouldnt really recommend the ubuntu vers so much right now.. not with a new version coming.... (not that I know when to expect it)
[02:13] <_Daisuke_Ido_> ForgeAus: i think i've got qt3 and qt4 installed :\
[02:13] <compilerwriter> qt3 qt4?
[02:13] <ForgeAus> Dai probably I had some qt4 bits I had to add to my edgy
[02:13] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8367/
[02:13] <ubuntu__> hi
[02:14] <ForgeAus> yes they're not mutually exclusive
[02:14] <Brutha-of-Om> ForgeAus: using E17 now.. from the repos... a few quirks.. but overall.. i like it.. more stable than explorer.exe :)
[02:14] <ForgeAus> lol good point Brutha
[02:15] <sc0tch> compilerwriter: replacing your window manager is not an "easy" intro to compiling a program by hand. Lots of stuff can/will break.
[02:15] <_Daisuke_Ido_> compile xscreensaver
[02:15] <Brutha-of-Om> ForgeAus: ive found that some kde stuff doesnt like it.... amarok would sometimes crash during a song.. but i think thats cause im using kde stuff in the non kde environment.. so i expect that instability
[02:16] <ForgeAus> sounds fair
[02:16] <ForgeAus> personally my Enlightenment works I just don't really know enough about it to actually USE it for any particular
[02:16] <ForgeAus> purpose
[02:16] <ForgeAus> and I like the KDE I'm getting used to
[02:16] <oem> did you get my pastebin url?
[02:17] <Brutha-of-Om> ForgeAus: fair enough... i wish it had the flashy opengl support lol... i like the shiny
[02:17] <ForgeAus> I got no errors from it yet...
[02:17] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: umm.. no
[02:17] <compilerwriter> sc0tch I wasn't planning on replaceing it. I was thinking more of trying it out.  Booting into console and then firing it up.
[02:17] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8367/
[02:18] <compilerwriter> sc0tch that was more my thinking in the matter.  But if you don't think it is still adviseable then I will learn on something else.
[02:18] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok.. is ur first partition on that drive fat32?
[02:18] <oem> no NFTS
[02:18] <gekk1> does anybody know the console command to lock the screen?
[02:19] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok.. thats where i went wrong
[02:19] <oem> ok
[02:20] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: try sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[02:20] <oem> gives me another command line
[02:21] <Brutha-of-Om> ?
[02:21] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8368/
[02:21] <Brutha-of-Om> ok... but no error?
[02:21] <compilerwriter> btw how would I go about doing just that if I felt the need?  I know there is a way but don't quite remember how
[02:21] <oem> no error
[02:22] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: yep, now cd hdb1
[02:22] <Brutha-of-Om> and then ls
[02:23] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8369/
[02:23] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: type cd hdb1
[02:24] <Brutha-of-Om> then type ls
[02:25] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8370/
[02:28] <sjkwi> i need a download accelerator for kubuntu...anyone can suggest one??
[02:28] <ForgeAus> kget
[02:28] <ForgeAus> well its more like a manager than an accelerator tho
[02:29] <sjkwi> kget is a download manager
[02:29] <sjkwi> infact
[02:29] <sjkwi> i need an accelerator
[02:29] <sjkwi> i try aget
[02:29] <sjkwi> but i can't integrate it with the browser
[02:30] <|Brutha-|> sorry oem.. connection issues
[02:31] <oem> thats ok
[02:31] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8370/
[02:31] <|Brutha-|> ok... cd /media/hdb1
[02:32] <ForgeAus> doKa????
[02:33] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8371/
[02:33] <|Brutha-|> type ls
[02:34] <ForgeAus> sjkwi check out doKa it sounds interesting...
[02:34] <sjkwi> thanks
[02:34] <sjkwi> another things
[02:34] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if its stable tho
[02:34] <sjkwi> i can set "adept" for download with a download accelerator??
[02:35] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8372/
[02:35] <_Daisuke_Ido_> um
[02:35] <|Brutha-|> oem: ok.. thats your drive
[02:35] <ForgeAus> adept almost does acceleration itself already well it does multi-downloads together rather than a single one from multiple sources
[02:35] <|Brutha-|> is ur music in Music
[02:35] <ForgeAus> its a nice suggestion for later versions tho
[02:35] <|Brutha-|> if it is just type cd Music
[02:36] <oem> yes
[02:36] <oem> in konsole?
[02:36] <|Brutha-|> yep
[02:37] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8374/
[02:38] <|Brutha-|> ok.. your now in ur music folder
[02:38] <|Brutha-|> what did u want to do?
[02:38] <oem> um ok? beable to get to it from the desktop
[02:38] <|Brutha-|> ok... type konqueror /media
[02:38] <ForgeAus> apparently in adept it doesn't work
[02:38] <|Brutha-|> click on hdb1
[02:39] <ForgeAus> download acceleration apparently doesn't speed it up because the archives are supposedly not speed limited
[02:39] <|Brutha-|> actually... dont click on hdb1
[02:39] <oem> wow ok
[02:39] <oem> crap i did
[02:39] <|Brutha-|> click and drag hdb1 to the desktop
[02:39] <|Brutha-|> lol.. thats ok.. just hit the back buttom
[02:39] <|Brutha-|> lol.. thats ok.. just hit the back button
[02:40] <|Brutha-|> fingers... ill chop them off oneday
[02:40] <oem> LMAO thats a good one
[02:40] <oem> as a link right
[02:40] <|Brutha-|> ok.. when u click and drag the folder to the desktop it should make a shortcut
[02:40] <|Brutha-|> yeah.. a link
[02:41] <oem> yep did it
[02:41] <|Brutha-|> cool
[02:41] <ForgeAus> sjk you still there?
[02:41] <oem> yeah very cool
[02:41] <|Brutha-|> ok.. so i can now think of 2 problems
[02:41] <ForgeAus> axel-kapt might be something to look at too
[02:41] <oem> problems?
[02:41] <|Brutha-|> ok... atm u have to type that command every time u want to mount it
[02:41] <ForgeAus> doesn't sound like that integrates into browsers tho but it seems to be a light kde download accelerator
[02:41] <|Brutha-|> u can make it mount on boot if u like
[02:42] <sjkwi> thanks
[02:42] <oem> yes on boot
[02:42] <sjkwi> now i try it
[02:42] <ForgeAus> actually its a kde frontend called kaptain for axel
[02:42] <|Brutha-|> ok... but before i mention that i should explain the other problem
[02:42] <oem> ok
[02:42] <ForgeAus> written in python
[02:42] <ForgeAus> (axel is the console version)
[02:42] <|Brutha-|> microsoft.. because theyre protective of theyre stuff... wont let people know the workings of ntfs
[02:43] <ForgeAus> actually that should be illegal
[02:43] <|Brutha-|> which means... without some mesing around that i havent done.. u cant write to ntfs
[02:43] <|Brutha-|> only read from it
[02:43] <provolik> Problem with bluefish: I want it highlight curly bracket when I put the cursor on them
[02:44] <ForgeAus> that they're protective of their stuff.. and not let others know... what should also be illegal is others copying what they decide they don't want others to copy...
[02:44] <oem> so i can still download the music to my MP3 player just not write to the drive
[02:44] <ForgeAus> (at least not without permission)
[02:44] <ForgeAus> besides if NTFS is so buggy/unstable as linux users seem to suggest why would it they want to protect it anyway?
[02:44] <oem> actualy i paid for the 30 gigs of music i have
[02:44] <|Brutha-|> ForgeAus: i agree.... i wish for a perfect world
[02:45] <oem> that is why i am working so hard to retrieve it lol
[02:45] <|Brutha-|> oem: u can download to ur mp3 player.. but if u wish to dump on the ntfs partition u cant
[02:45] <oem> ok np prob i just bought a new hd i will just make it in the KDE format so i can write to it
[02:46] <|Brutha-|> for the ntfs partition i recommend getting the data off and re-partitioning it into fat32 (if u need windows to read it still.. or ext3 or jfs)
[02:46] <oem> ok
[02:46] <|Brutha-|> ext3 or jfs if ur only using it in linux
[02:46] <oem> ok
[02:47] <oem> ok now one last thing i need
[02:47] <|Brutha-|> yeah?
[02:47] <oem> i wish to play WoW
[02:47] <|Brutha-|> wait... waht about mounting the partition on boot?
[02:47] <oem> they support mac      :( but not KDE
[02:47] <oem> oh yeah brain is ahead of things lol
[02:47] <oem> i need to slow down haha
[02:48] <oem> excited
[02:48] <arriesp> hi
[02:48] <compilerwriter> Who can walk me through getting a torrent server up and running?
[02:48] <xoss> is Kommander installed by default in edgy??
[02:48] <Hobbsee> xoss: no
[02:49] <xoss> oh.. ok..
[02:49] <compilerwriter> What is kommander?
[02:49] <Jucato> !kommander | compilerwriter
[02:49] <ubotu> compilerwriter: kommander: visual dialog builder and executor tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1474 kB, installed size 3772 kB
[02:50] <Jucato> O.o
[02:50] <|Brutha-|> lol... ok... now cp /etc/fstab /home/your-user-name/
[02:50] <oem> sorry
[02:50] <oem> where do i put that?
[02:50] <|Brutha-|> in console
[02:50] <oem> ok
[02:51] <|Brutha-|> its making a backup of the file were about to edit
[02:51] <ForgeAus> back... I got booted
[02:51] <xoss> Jucato: AcetoneISO is available in repos?
[02:51] <Jucato> xoss: not sure. you can search in adept
[02:51] <compilerwriter> Jucato I want to run a torrent server can you help me get started?
[02:51] <xoss> found it in kde-apps.org
[02:51] <Jucato> compilerwriter: sorry, dunno about those
[02:51] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8375/
[02:51] <provolik> someone can help me on bluefish?
[02:52] <xoss> im not using kubuntu ryt now.. :)
[02:52] <|Brutha-|> oem: where ive put your-user-name... change that to your actual user name on the system
[02:52] <oem> oh lol Dugh
[02:53] <|Brutha-|> oem: lol.. u get that.. ive done things like that before :)
[02:53] <compilerwriter> No worries Jucato; come to think of it, it would really be academic as I only want to connect maybe three computers to it for private transfers.  Would sort of be overkill wouldn't it.
[02:53] <Jucato> xoss: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:53] <Jucato> xoss: seems like it's not in the repos
[02:54] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8376/
[02:54] <xoss> thanks a lot Jucato! really a big help...
[02:54] <oem> lol
[02:55] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok cool... thats copied now... in the console type kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[02:55] <oem> ok
[02:56] <oem> wow it opened a window
[02:56] <Brutha-of-Om> and in the window there should be the stuff in the file
[02:56] <compilerwriter> I have tried gnome; It was ok.  I have tried KDE;  I like it much better.  I have now heard of E.  What other decent gui systems are out there and how do I best simply try them out without breaking my box?
[02:56] <Brutha-of-Om> should have a range of devices like cdrom hda1
[02:56] <Brutha-of-Om> and otehrs
[02:56] <octo_> hey guys, i cant seem to get help in ubuntu+1, hoping you can help me
[02:57] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8378/
[02:57] <octo_> i cant get nvidia-glx to work in fiesty herd 4 or 5
[02:57] <octo_> simply wont load the module
[02:57] <compilerwriter> The people here will certainly try octo_
[02:57] <octo_> i workd great in edgy
[02:57] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok at the bottom of that file paste the following... /dev/hdb1    /media/hdb1 ntfs  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0
[02:57] <octo_> i have a geforece 6600
[02:58] <Brutha-of-Om> and paste the result
[02:58] <octo_> it seems no one esle has this prob but me lol
[02:59] <octo_> it doesnt work in the 32 or the 64 bit ver of feisty
[02:59] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8381/
[02:59] <octo_> i get Fatal: Error running install command for nvidia
[02:59] <octo_> Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module
[02:59] <xoss> octo_: i think someone had the same problem a while ago.. just dont know if he was able to get it fixed..
[03:00] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok click on save and then close the window
[03:00] <oem> ok done
[03:01] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok cool.. so on a reboot it should automatically mount that partition into the directory u created.. and the shortcut on the desktop will work
[03:01] <octo_> does anyone have any ideas lol
[03:02] <oem> sweet
[03:02] <oem> may i ask are going to be here in about an hour or so? i have to go and pay my cable billlol
[03:02] <Brutha-of-Om> u should be able to test it by typing in the console.... sudo mount -a
[03:03] <Brutha-of-Om> lol... dont know.. its 1 am here lol
[03:03] <oem> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[03:03] <oem> o ok it is 9 am here lol
[03:03] <ForgeAus> yeah it needs one
[03:03] <ForgeAus> (not sure why but it doesn't like being without it
[03:03] <parsek> nice its just 16 pm here
[03:04] <Brutha-of-Om> ok... in the console type kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[03:04] <oem> ok Brutha i so appreciate your assistance
[03:04] <Brutha-of-Om> go down to the last line.. hit end on the keyboard and press enter.. then save and close
[03:04] <Brutha-of-Om> np :)
[03:05] <oem> ok
[03:05] <bonaldo2000> I have a weird problem. My net is working flawlessly, but if I try to browse it with Konqueror it gets disconnected and I have to restart networking to make it work again. Firefox works fine and so does all other applications it seems. But konqueror kills my net! Any ideas whats wrong?
[03:05] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: after closing type sudo mount -a
[03:05] <ForgeAus> note: you need to use sudo to edit the fstab and be very careful with it
[03:06] <oem> ok
[03:07] <Brutha-of-Om> brb
[03:09] <quamix> holas
[03:09] <arriesp> quamix:  ola
[03:09] <quamix> mmm ahora vuelvo :D
[03:10] <arriesp> xao
[03:10] <arriesp> xD
[03:10] <oem> be back in a little while i am sure ....lol
[03:11] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok.. so what did sudo mount -a come up with
[03:11] <Brutha-of-Om> just got back lol ;p
[03:12] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8386/
[03:12] <flo_>  isit posible to connect 2 ubuntu pc in a network only with a usb cable?
[03:13] <mcscruff> lo all, everytime i have used kubuntu (not since dapper) it had issues with apps not opening the 1st time, has this all been fixed?
[03:13] <oem> need to get going brb in a little bit lol
[03:13] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: type in the console kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab and paste the contents
[03:15] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8389/
[03:15] <oem> ok i will brb trust me lol i will
[03:16] <xoss> can i edit GRUB so that the first choice to boot will be XP instead of edgy?
[03:16] <oem> be back in a little bit
[03:16] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: type in the console kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[03:16] <Brutha-of-Om> and then paste the contents
[03:16] <Brutha-of-Om> ok
[03:17] <oem> ok sec
[03:18] <bonaldo2000> xoss: yes edit the file /boot/grub/menu.list and change the value of the default to point to the windows XP entry in grub. In the bottom of the file you can see the entries in the list. Ubuntu uis entry 0 so just count from there...
[03:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy All ;)
[03:19] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8391/
[03:20] <Brutha-of-Om> oem: ok, see how it has line 42 as the last one?
[03:20] <oem> yeah?
[03:21] <oem> actualy no
[03:21] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. in the window of the open file... at the very end of the last line... click and press enter
[03:21] <oem> ok did that
[03:21] <Brutha-of-Om> ok.. save and close the window
[03:22] <oem> ok
[03:22] <oem> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8392/
[03:22] <morenin> ola
[03:22] <PhinnFort> does kubuntu have it's own grub splash screen?
[03:22] <PhinnFort> !sp
[03:22] <ubotu> sp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-47 (edgy), package size 158 kB, installed size 564 kB
[03:22] <PhinnFort> !es
[03:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:23] <Brutha-of-Om> ok...
[03:23] <PhinnFort> !feisty
[03:23] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:23] <Brutha-of-Om> in the console type sudo mount -a
[03:25] <oem> ok
[03:25] <yurimxpxman> hey, I'm running Ubuntu 6.10, and before I installed KDE, KDE apps worked fine with the system tray, but after I installed the rest of the core KDE files, KDE apps open their system tray icon in a new window. Any ideas? 0_o
[03:26] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: what window manager are you using?
[03:26] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: Beryl
[03:26] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: i believe that's a problem with Beryl
[03:27] <PhinnFort> try restarting beryl
[03:27] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: I'll try it, but I don't think that's it because it worked perfectly until I installed the rest of the KDE files
[03:27] <oem> crap i need to jet Please tell Brutha i will be back
[03:27] <yurimxpxman> *I'm talking about using KDE apps in /GNOME/, btw
[03:27] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: i have the same problem with beryl, sometimes it makes tray apps open in windows
[03:27] <PhinnFort> oh, in gnome...
[03:27] <Brutha-of-Om> cya oem
[03:27] <PhinnFort> ask in #ubuntu, then
[03:27] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:28] <yurimxpxman> I did, and they couldn't help. I was hoping you guys could help since it's a KDE-related issue
[03:28] <oem> hey thanks for the help i will be back im sure lol
[03:28] <Brutha-of-Om> np
[03:28] <PhinnFort> well, it's a GNOME issue, since it's the GNOME tray that's not working:P
[03:28] <yurimxpxman> lol
[03:28] <PhinnFort> but try restarting beryl
[03:29] <yurimxpxman> *sigh* Didn't help. The message I'm getting is "Cannot talk to klauncher".
[03:29] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: I really don't know enough about how Gnome handles Qt/KDELIBS based apps
[03:30] <yurimxpxman> alright. Thanks anyways :)
[03:30] <PhinnFort> but you could try running the klauncher daemon
[03:30] <yurimxpxman> k
[03:30] <PhinnFort> maybe it helps
[03:30] <lymmz> re
[03:30] <yurimxpxman> what's the command for it?
[03:30] <yurimxpxman> n/m
[03:30] <PhinnFort> klauncher
[03:30] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:31] <jack__> hi guys with guarddog i cannot connect to several sites including hotmail.co.uk and msn messenger it says sth like it cannot connect to port 403 or so, so i allowd these poers, still doesnt work, i got wireshark to anaylse that, but dont really know how to start..
[03:31] <jack__> these ports i mean
[03:31] <yurimxpxman> same song, second verse, though I'm not sure klauncher actually is running. It says: "This program is not supposed to be started manually. It is started by kdeinit
[03:32] <jack__> i set up a dmz in the guarddog, just like in the handbook, allowing mail and chat protocols
[03:32] <PhinnFort> try launching kdeinit, though it may try to launch kdesktop, kwin, etc. too
[03:32] <jack__> Jucato:  are you there=
[03:32] <PhinnFort> but try
[03:33] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8394/
[03:33] <daypitoum> hello
[03:33] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: seems like it launched succesfully
[03:33] <yurimxpxman> 'ello
[03:34] <daypitoum> yeh
[03:34] <PhinnFort> only a lot of stuff missing, since you're on Gnome
[03:34] <yurimxpxman> ahh
[03:34] <daypitoum> ive got a matter
[03:34] <daypitoum> i cant install my audio drivers
[03:34] <daypitoum> i ve got a realtek ac97
[03:34] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: what's wrong?
[03:34] <daypitoum> i cant istall drivers
[03:34] <yurimxpxman> hey, the system tray works now! Thanks :D
[03:34] <daypitoum> audio drivers
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: What card is it?
[03:35] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: np;)
[03:35] <daypitoum> realtek ac97
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: That should already be supported. Have you tried adjusting the sound settings, the PCM in particular?
[03:35] <daypitoum> no
[03:35] <daypitoum> pcm = ?
[03:36] <PhinnFort> pcm is a channel you can adjust in volume control
[03:36] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: pcm =  pulse-code modulation
[03:36] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:36] <daypitoum> oh ok
[03:36] <daypitoum> well i must leave nox i will be back soon
[03:36] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: do you have a tiny speaker in the system tray (down-right)?
[03:37] <daypitoum> no y dont
[03:37] <daypitoum> oh yes sorry
[03:37] <PhinnFort> then go to K-menu -> Multimedia  -> KMix
[03:37] <daypitoum> ^
[03:37] <daypitoum> ^^
[03:37] <PhinnFort> ah, double click
[03:37] <jack__> hi guys with guarddog i cannot connect to several sites including hotmail.co.uk and msn messenger it says sth like it cannot connect to port 403 or so, so i allowed these ports, still doesnt work, i got wireshark to analyse that, but dont really know how to start..
[03:37] <PhinnFort> or rather right-click -> show mixer window
[03:37] <daypitoum> but the matter comes froms my drivers
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> anyone know if its its possible to use ndiswrapper on 64-bit kubuntu?
[03:38] <daypitoum> i cant install them
[03:38] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: they should already be installed
[03:38] <daypitoum> they are not ^^
[03:38] <PhinnFort> in the mixing window, in the upper right corner, what does it say?
[03:38] <PhinnFort> a pull down widget
[03:38] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: What makes you think it's the drivers if you haven't even checked the sound mixer? The fact that the icon is there should mean you have drivers
[03:38] <daypitoum> well
[03:38] <PhinnFort> mine says "VIA 8237"
[03:38] <daypitoum> ive dl the drrivers from the website
[03:39] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: you shouldn't
[03:39] <daypitoum> and when i lauch the istallator
[03:39] <PhinnFort> this isn't windows, you don't need to install drivers
[03:39] <PhinnFort> :P
[03:39] <daypitoum> it apears than some files are missing
[03:39] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: The drivers came pre-bundled in the kernel in Kubuntu
[03:39] <lymmz> :*
[03:39] <daypitoum> when anyway i cant play music, that's sure xD
[03:40] <PhinnFort> well, you might need to adjust your volume
[03:40] <PhinnFort> are your speakers on?;)
[03:40] <daypitoum> so what should i do  ????
[03:40] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: Does the music show it's playing, or does it give you an error message?
[03:40] <daypitoum> pfffffffffffff
[03:40] <daypitoum> it shows its playing
[03:40] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: right click on the tiny speaker -> show mixer window
[03:40] <daypitoum> ok
[03:40] <daypitoum> then ?
[03:40] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: In the mixer window, change the device to the Alsa mixer
[03:41] <daypitoum> oh i see
[03:41] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: You need to turn the PCM and volume up, and make sure nothing's muted
[03:41] <PhinnFort> there should be glowing green lights over all channels
[03:41] <PhinnFort> if it's not, it's muted
[03:41] <daypitoum> any green light
[03:41] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: what is the "current mixer"?
[03:41] <daypitoum> even muted
[03:42] <daypitoum> i dont know
[03:42] <daypitoum> im neww on linux
[03:42] <PhinnFort> it says in the upper left part of the window "Current mixer:" and in the right part there's a drop-down menu
[03:42] <PhinnFort> what does it say on that drop-down menu
[03:43] <daypitoum> are you french ?
[03:43] <daypitoum> iam
[03:43] <PhinnFort> no
[03:43] <PhinnFort> !fr
[03:43] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:43] <daypitoum> ok
[03:43] <PhinnFort> daypitoum: but just make sure the little green light over PCM is on (click on it if it's not) and turned up
[03:43] <daypitoum> well my kubuntu is french so ....
[03:43] <jack__> can someone help me with gurarddoag and wireshark?
[03:43] <PhinnFort> ah...
[03:43] <daypitoum> it is on
[03:43] <PhinnFort> is it turned up?
[03:44] <daypitoum> yezs
[03:44] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: both PCM and volume?
[03:44] <daypitoum> yeah!!!
[03:44] <PhinnFort> and what does the drop-down menu says in the upper right part of the window?
[03:44] <PhinnFort> mine says "VIA 8237"
[03:44] <yurimxpxman> daypitoum: Then change the sound mixer and turn up the volume on those mixers, too
[03:44] <daypitoum> i retry
[03:45] <daypitoum> ok now it works, thanks to you!
[03:45] <yurimxpxman> np
[03:45] <daypitoum> have a nice day guys
[03:45] <PhinnFort> np;)
[03:45] <PhinnFort> good luck in linux;)
[03:46] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer :)
[03:46] <yurimxpxman> LOL
[03:46] <BluesKaj> for now anyway
[03:46] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:46] <yurimxpxman> Until he tries to run Windows apps without wine :))
[03:46] <PhinnFort> well, wine should launch automatically
[03:46] <PhinnFort> when you double click on an exe
[03:46] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:46] <yurimxpxman> Not if you don't have it installed :P
[03:47] <Jucato> jack__: I'm here now.
[03:47] <PhinnFort> well, that's another thing that should be fixed in feisty;)
[03:47] <yurimxpxman> Kubuntu doesn't come with Firefox, does it?
[03:47] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: i hope not;)
[03:47] <yurimxpxman> why not?
[03:47] <PhinnFort> Konqueror is twice the browser firefox is
[03:47] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:47] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: not installed by default. but easily installable through Adept/apt-get
[03:47] <PhinnFort> Opera should be the default, as it's Qt-based
[03:47] <mcscruff> PhinnFort, dont lie, firefox ownz it
[03:47] <yurimxpxman> That's what I thought. I don't see why though.. Konqueror can't even do gmail
[03:48] <yurimxpxman> Opera's not open-source
[03:48] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: false. Konqueror can do gmail
[03:48] <apokryphos> it can
[03:48] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: i don't want to start a flamewar, but KHTML is years beyond Gecko
[03:48] <yurimxpxman> not very well
[03:48] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: better than FF
[03:48] <yurimxpxman> and it can't do Google spreadsheets or anything. Very poor JS support
[03:48] <PhinnFort> if you fake the Useragent
[03:48] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: set your Browser Identification to Firefox or Safari for Google
[03:48] <mcscruff> Gmail isn't officially compatibile
[03:48] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: you don't know what you're talking about
[03:48] <yurimxpxman> I've tried that before.. it doesn't work right
[03:48] <PhinnFort> KJS reigns supreme
[03:49] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:49] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: there are a lot of AJAX stuff that do not work in other browsers as well. AJAX isn't exactly a standard technology
[03:49] <mcscruff> i cant decided whether to install kubuntu or ubuntu hmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:49] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: Kubuntu is the way to go
[03:49] <jack__> hi jucato i installed guarddog with the dmz, chat, mail, http protocols enabled, cannot connect to ports like 403 hotmail, msn messenger; if i enable them in the guarddog settings it still doesnt work, how do i use wireshark or what should i do?
[03:49] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: do you want a dumbed down interface you can't change, or a dumbed down interface you can change?
[03:49] <PhinnFort> ;9
[03:49] <mcscruff> PhinnFort, i have used both before but kubuntu had a few glitches before
[03:49] <Jucato> mcscruff: hm... asking in a Kubuntu channel.... I'd say go with Kubuntu :)
[03:49] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: try Kubuntu Feisty
[03:50] <Jucato> jack__: oh sorry... know nothing about firewalls
[03:50] <PhinnFort> i'm on it now, it's very polished
[03:50] <mcscruff> has i fixed that annoying crap where apps dont always open 1st go
[03:50] <PhinnFort> jack__: does it work if you disable guarddog
[03:50] <Jucato> mcscruff: actually, don't try Feisty yet. it's still in alpha at this stage
[03:50] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: never heard about that problem
[03:50] <Jucato> it works, but not entirely, and there are always updates
[03:50] <PhinnFort> Jucato: it's pretty stable here, more stable than Edgy was;)
[03:50] <jack__> PhinnFort: yes it works fine, first thing i tried out
[03:50] <yurimxpxman> mcscruff: The distro might be an alpha, but the software it runs mostly is not
[03:50] <Jucato> !worksforme | PhinnFort
[03:50] <ubotu> PhinnFort: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:50] <mcscruff> PhinnFort, i had it on all upto dapper, didnt bother with edgy kde
[03:51] <Jucato> mcscruff: it's always wise to take a peek at new releases, as things (should) get better and better
[03:51] <Jucato> bugs/problems you might  have experienced before may have been fixed
[03:51] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: well, i would still suggest feisty, if you want easy networking support
[03:52] <PhinnFort> and the newest KDE packages always contains a lot of bug fixes
[03:52] <mcscruff> PhinnFort, im ubuntu atm, network was very easy
[03:52] <PhinnFort> well, in Kubuntu Edgy apparently wasn't very easy to deal with networking
[03:52] <mcscruff> hmmmmm, i'll burn both iso's and set em up on each pc
[03:52] <BluesKaj> what's this I hear about no dual booting Vista and Linux ?
[03:52] <Jucato> depend on what kind of network
[03:52] <mcscruff> wireless, command line connect :)
[03:52] <PhinnFort> yeah, laptops which switch networks often is probably much more easy now
[03:53] <yurimxpxman> BluesKaj: I've used Vista quite a bit, and trust me, it's not ready for the public yet, regardless of what Bill says
[03:53] <xpoint> BluesKaj: do you need it ?
[03:53] <jack__> Jucato: but you recommended that i check it out with wireshark didnt you?
[03:53] <Jucato> jack__: I think you have me confused w/ someone else...
[03:54] <yurimxpxman> wireshark's a packet sniffer
[03:54] <jack__> Jucato: i am so terrily sorry mate
[03:54] <xpoint> maybe google does :-)
[03:54] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: I'm using Konqueror right now and I can't get gmail to run correctly in AJAX mode. Have you?
[03:54] <mcscruff> ooo, also has the sound issue been sorted on kubuntu, i always used to have an issue with the sound server being in use from another app (mainly flasg
[03:54] <Jucato> jack__: no problem. it's ok
[03:54] <mcscruff> *flash
[03:54] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: I use Opera, and KMail
[03:54] <PhinnFort> but wait a sece
[03:55] <PhinnFort> *sec
[03:55] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: set your Browser Identification to Firefox or Safari for Google/Gmail
[03:55] <xpoint> PhinnFort: dont like opera mail ?
[03:55] <PhinnFort> xpoint: never cared for using it, as KMail is very tightly integrated
[03:56] <xpoint> hehe
[03:56] <BluesKaj> xpoint, no Vista needed , still have an XP partition for some stuff that i can't do in kubuntu ...mainly curious is all.
[03:56] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: Browsing mail.gmail.com with both Sufari and Firefox IDs results in viewing in HTML mode
[03:56] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: click on "switch to standard view!"
[03:57] <PhinnFort> you probably have some cookies set
[03:57] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: use Firefox 1.5.0.4 identification
[03:57] <Jucato> click on Reload
[03:57] <yurimxpxman> ahh, I see
[03:57] <mcscruff> just use firefox
[03:57] <PhinnFort> standard view works perfectly here
[03:57] <jack__> does anybody have the problem that kopete and kwallet keep nagging for the passwords even though you gave them already couple of times
[03:57] <xpoint> BluesKaj: ntfs in linux is all you need, or knoppix dvd somewhere :-)
[03:57] <PhinnFort> using safari 2.0 id
[03:58] <BluesKaj> i have knoppix ...all i need ? ...what do you mean ?
[03:58] <PhinnFort> konqueror pretty much owns
[03:58] <yurimxpxman> it's a lot slower than Firefox, for gmail at least
[03:58] <mcscruff> does flash work with konqueror?
[03:58] <Jucato> mcscruff: yes
[03:58] <yurimxpxman> and there's no chat
[03:59] <mcscruff> im gonna give kde another go
[03:59] <xpoint> mcscruff: no flash on 64bit so far
[03:59] <Jucato> er... Google Talk I mean
[03:59] <Jucato> yeah. no Flash for Konqueror on 64bit
[03:59] <PhinnFort> no flash for anyone on 64-bit
[04:00] <mcscruff> is kde still on an all you can eat buffet? coz it was very bloated before
[04:00] <jack__> is it more or less a question of personal taste or are there reasons which browser to use: the konqueror or opera
[04:00] <BluesKaj> ntfs in linux? , xpoint, pls explain...I do have access to my ntfs partition form kubuntu , if that's what you mean
[04:00] <xpoint> no flash on 64bit windows either :-)
[04:00] <PhinnFort> mcscruff: it's always (as long as I've been using it) less bloated than gnome
[04:00] <PhinnFort> everything uses KDELIBS
[04:00] <Jucato> !flash64 | PhinnFort
[04:00] <ubotu> PhinnFort: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:00] <PhinnFort> which minimezies stuff
[04:00] <PhinnFort> Jucato: or just Opera, no matter what platform
[04:01] <xpoint> i know i can run firefix 32bit no problem there, but it sooks
[04:01] <xpoint> with and without flash
[04:01] <yurimxpxman> I've gotten Flash to work in 64bit Fedora Core before, but it takes some doing and it's not worth the effort. You should stick with i686
[04:02] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: hmm... I just installed Opera (took less than 5 minutes), and then put the flash library file in it's plugin dir, and it worked
[04:02] <xpoint> yurimxpxman: an amd64 is olso a i686 compatibel cpu
[04:03] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: Are you referring to 32bit or 64bit?
[04:03] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: i'm on amd64
[04:03] <xpoint> PhinnFort: you bastard have 32bit and no problems :-)
[04:03] <PhinnFort> amd64 distro
[04:03] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:04] <hazard> if I wanted to stop samba from starting on startup, would I just delete all the entries for it in /etc/rc#.d?
[04:04] <yurimxpxman> I don't see any point in using x86_64 at this point. There aren't even really any benefits to running it
[04:05] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: then why buy a 64-bit cpu?
[04:05] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:05] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: For future compatibility, and the fact that all the good CPUs are x86_64 anyways, of course
[04:05] <xpoint> PhinnFort: 64bit is nice for secureity in windows vista
[04:06] <yurimxpxman> Windows security's a joke
[04:06] <xpoint> on 32bit yes
[04:06] <PhinnFort> Future compatibility, do you honestly believe that Ubuntu will stop support i386 anytime in the closest 50~ years
[04:06] <angasule> PhinnFort: yes, I do
[04:07] <yurimxpxman> no, I'm not referring to that.. I mean maybe someday soon I may wish to run an x86_64 OS after I upgrade to 32GB Of RAM :)
[04:07] <PhinnFort> xpoint: Windows and security in the same sentence
[04:07] <xpoint> PhinnFort: but linux runs fine in 80286 aswell
[04:07] <angasule> PhinnFort: plenty of distros don't care any more about the 386 and 486, soon all 32 bit chips will be gone
[04:07] <xpoint> limited yes, but it runs
[04:08] <angasule> xpoint: that's not 'fine' :) I *could* get my 286 working again and try it, though :)
[04:08] <PhinnFort> angasule: i don't believe that, 64-bit is getting a rather slow adoption
[04:08] <yurimxpxman> They still support G3s. I don't think i386 is going anywhere any time soon, seriously, though some software isn't supported, like Amarok won't run on i386 (works fine on i686 tho)
[04:08] <xpoint> can commodore 64 run irc ?
[04:08] <angasule> PhinnFort: in a decade everything will be 64 bits
[04:09] <PhinnFort> angasule: can i quote you on that?
[04:09] <angasule> PhinnFort: sure
[04:09] <yurimxpxman> actually, in a decade, we'll be switching to either 128 or 256
[04:09] <angasule> PhinnFort: even flash for 64 bits is being worked on, AFAIK
[04:09] <xpoint> 640K ram is enough for any program
[04:09] <PhinnFort> worked on... it isn't even supported
[04:10] <PhinnFort> the problem is that there isn't a big enough reason to switch
[04:10] <angasule> yurimxpxman: I was including software, even windows will be running in 64 bits by then :)
[04:10] <yurimxpxman> Winblows on 64bit? You don't say.. is M$ capable of such a task? 0_o
[04:11] <xpoint> PhinnFort: i got a asus sk8n opteron, with asus lame 32bit drivers to windows, what ?, is this nice doing from asus side to sell shuch shit ?
[04:11] <angasule> heh
[04:12] <angasule> asus has some great turds
[04:12] <bonaldo2000> I have a weird problem. My net is working flawlessly, but if I try to browse it with Konqueror it gets disconnected and I have to restart networking to make it work again. Firefox works fine and so does all other applications it seems. But konqueror kills my net! Any ideas whats wrong?
[04:12] <yurimxpxman> does ndiswrapper run 32bit drivers in a 64bit distribution?
[04:12] <xpoint> no
[04:12] <angasule> I'm trying to buy a new box, and they keep offering me a microATX mobo from ASUS that's a complete PoS
[04:12] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: Use firefox :P
[04:13] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: hehe yes, but I would like it fixed...
[04:13] <yurimxpxman> bonaold2000: but seriously, you should check the firewall and proxy settings
[04:13] <angasule> yurimxpxman: it blows
[04:13] <BluesKaj> angasule, more profit
[04:13] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: a lot of programs use konqueror as their native browser
[04:13] <angasule> BluesKaj: hmm, I don't think they offer it for profit, they could sell something more expensive
[04:13] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: What message # do you get when you try to connect to a site in konqueror?
[04:13] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: but could firewall settings cause it to KILL my net entirely?
[04:14] <yurimxpxman> yes
[04:14] <BluesKaj> clear the shelves and make some money at the same time
[04:14] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: in konqueror I get that it just cant connect. when I see what it says in console it says something about !icon.isEmpty()
[04:15] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: but maybe thats just what it says when it doesnt have net
[04:15] <PhinnFort> please ignore everything I said about switching to feisty, as Potato Guy just crashed my X-server...
[04:15] <yurimxpxman> icon.isEmpty is probably referring to the domain icon, in which case that shouldn't be your problem
[04:15] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: hm ok
[04:15] <yurimxpxman> LOL
[04:15] <yurimxpxman> do you have a firewall enabled?
[04:16] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: no not really...I have just installed edgy and have not installed any firewall...
[04:16] <BluesKaj> angasule, before I bought this pc , i made sure that it was mostly linux compatible but the 64bit kubuntu dapper was disappointing due to it's lack of hardware recognition
[04:16] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: how so?
[04:16] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: How about selinux.. also, I *believe* Kubuntu has a firewall enabled by default, though it shouldn't block konqueror by default
[04:16] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: could it be my router that does something? That konqueror sends some "wrong" request and then it closes my net...? Because since I dont run konqueror as root I dont see how it is capable of killing my net
[04:17] <BluesKaj> soundcard and video drivers
[04:17] <PhinnFort> it recognised all my hardware without any trouble, even my rather esoteric TV decoder
[04:17] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: what kind of video card?
[04:17] <smile> please .. help me .. i want see the chat historic in Kopete .. thx
[04:17] <PhinnFort> NVidia?
[04:17] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, dapper?
[04:17] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: It kills your entire net? You mean just running konqueror blocks every app from accessing the internet?
[04:17] <PhinnFort> smile: you need to enable the plugin
[04:17] <PhinnFort> History plugin
[04:17] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: Edgy/Feisty
[04:17] <Jucato> smile: Settings -> COnfigure Plugins -> History plugin
[04:17] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: but konqueror is not blocked. I start it and it works for about 30 second. Then Yes it kills the entire net....I have to restart the networking to get it working again!!
[04:18] <BluesKaj> AMD64 PhinnFort?
[04:18] <Jucato> smile: then you can right-click on (meta)contacts in Kopete and select View History
[04:18] <PhinnFort> yeah
[04:18] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: No idea.. that's really weird.
[04:18] <BluesKaj> hmm, compaq-presario here
[04:19] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: yes very! I have no idea how it is able to do that. The connection is just destroyed. Am I not right in assuming that an app not running as root should NEVER be able to do this?
[04:19] <PhinnFort> well, this is a medion I bought at the major food store chain in Norway
[04:19] <PhinnFort> bundled with Windows XP Home edition
[04:20] <yurimxpxman> bonaldo2000: I'd say you're definitely wrong about an app running as a normal user not being able to clog your network. Have you tried resetting your modem and router? Perhaps the modem's just clogged
[04:21] <smile> sorry .. i can't find pluggin setting !!! i have kopete 0.12.2
[04:21] <bonaldo2000> yurimxpxman: hm ok. I have not tried restarting the router and modem but seems strange that it should be clogged in a way that only konqueror causes problems...it does point to some software issue...
[04:21] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, is there a way to upgrade to the 64bit version of Fiesty when it's released.. I'll prolly do the internet upgrade
[04:21] <smile> somthing worng ??
[04:21] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: you on i386 dapper now?
[04:21] <PhinnFort> i doubt you can switch from i386 to amd64
[04:21] <BluesKaj> yes 32bit
[04:22] <PhinnFort> it wasn't possible in Gentoo, and I doubt it is in Ubuntu
[04:22] <BluesKaj> no edgy
[04:22] <PhinnFort> well, it shouldn't matter, but I'm no expert on Ubuntu arch's
[04:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:22] <smile> ..
[04:23] <smile> tnx every body for help
[04:23] <PhinnFort> no
[04:23] <PhinnFort> problem
[04:25] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: What do you not like about Firefox?
[04:25] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: pretty much everything
[04:25] <PhinnFort> :)
[04:25] <PhinnFort> it's bad standards support, for one thing
[04:25] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: such as...?
[04:25] <PhinnFort> it's interface
[04:26] <PhinnFort> it's renderer
[04:26] <PhinnFort> Gecko
[04:26] <PhinnFort> it's spaghetti, bloated and slow
[04:26] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:26] <yurimxpxman> its interface? Have you tried running gnome-settings-daemon?
[04:26] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: why should I want to run gnome programs?
[04:26] <PhinnFort> i'm on KDE
[04:27] <yurimxpxman> PhinnFort: Because Firefox is better, of course :P
[04:27] <PhinnFort> hum... It looks like an ass on my Mac too
[04:27] <PhinnFort> should I run gnome there too?
[04:27] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:28] <PhinnFort> and I don't have gnome-settings-daemon either, btw
[04:28] <yurimxpxman> Opera doesn't have extensions ;)
[04:28] <PhinnFort> well, it doesn't need them
[04:28] <PhinnFort> it has all the features built in
[04:28] <PhinnFort> and it's still smaller
[04:28] <PhinnFort> both in runtime footprint and download
[04:29] <PhinnFort> and it has UserJS support and widget support for everything else
[04:29] <yurimxpxman> so it doesn't need stuff like AdBlock Plus, Gmail Skins, PDF Download, Reveal, Web Developer, Greasemonkey, etc...?
[04:29] <fdoving> opera got its own fancy widgets :)
[04:30] <PhinnFort> it has built in ad blocking, custom CSS (like GMail Skins, i guess), the rest I don't know what does
[04:30] <PhinnFort> PDF Download?
[04:30] <yurimxpxman> PDF Download lets you choose how to view a PDF file, download, view as HTML, open with, etc.
[04:30] <PhinnFort> rotfl
[04:30] <PhinnFort> that
[04:30] <PhinnFort> s silly
[04:30] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:31] <PhinnFort> i guess it can be implemented in UserJS if you need it
[04:31] <yurimxpxman> Does Opera have a database of ads to block before you ever see them? :)
[04:31] <angasule> hmm, I think Opera *does* have extensions
[04:31] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: that's bad
[04:31] <PhinnFort> you shouldn't block ads, since that's how most websites get an income
[04:31] <yurimxpxman> why's it bad?
[04:31] <Mena> Hi
[04:31] <PhinnFort> opera supports blocking of ads that bothers you
[04:32] <yurimxpxman> So you think blocking the XXX ads from your kids is bad? 0_o
[04:32] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: as i said, specific ads can be blocked
[04:32] <PhinnFort> and where would they get XXX ads from, anyways?
[04:32] <yurimxpxman> but only after you've already seen them
[04:32] <Mena> Did they fix the problem Of th languges  bettwen kubuntu and Xp in fiesty
[04:32] <PhinnFort> this isn't windows;)
[04:32] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, what diff will I see in performance if I install edgy64 over edgy32 bit ?...keep in mind , i'm not a gamer
[04:32] <yurimxpxman> game websites, torrent sites, etc
[04:32] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: not much
[04:32] <Mena> !fiesty
[04:32] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <yurimxpxman> what does windows have to do with XXX ads?
[04:33] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: only in video encoding, and the like
[04:33] <PhinnFort> yurimxpxman: if something's bad, I blame it on windows
[04:33] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:33] <yurimxpxman> j/p
[04:34] <PhinnFort> and apparently, Greasemonkey is just a bad version of opera's UserJS
[04:34] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:34] <yurimxpxman> how about a video downloader extension?
[04:34] <PhinnFort> ?
[04:34] <yurimxpxman> Can Opera block SWFs and iframes?
[04:34] <PhinnFort> yeah
[04:34] <PhinnFort> it can block anything
[04:34] <PhinnFort> just right-click, block content, and choose what to block
[04:34] <yurimxpxman> how about reveal?
[04:35] <PhinnFort> ?
[04:35] <yurimxpxman> reveal shows previews of pages in the navigation buttons
[04:35] <PhinnFort> sorry, i don't know any firefox extensions
[04:35] <PhinnFort> Opera has supported that for a very long time
[04:35] <PhinnFort> if it is what I believe it is
[04:35] <PhinnFort> thumbnails?
[04:35] <PhinnFort> kinda
[04:36] <fdoving> i installed cooliris preview for firefox today. it's cool.
[04:36] <PhinnFort> Opera has a built-in BitTorrent client
[04:36] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:36] <PhinnFort> !cooliris
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cooliris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <PhinnFort> fdoving: what does it do?
[04:36] <fdoving> cooliris.com
[04:36] <fdoving> fancy preview-links thing.
[04:36] <PhinnFort> ah... I've seen userjs' for that, I believe
[04:37] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:37] <yurimxpxman> /quite "Just seeing if this works.."
[04:38] <Mena> If i give Opera much cahce say 200m is that right and wil be good
[04:39] <Mena> cache*
[04:40] <PhinnFort> Mena: is that a question?
[04:40] <PhinnFort> if so, if you have enough harddrive space, it's okay
[04:40] <frode__> hi, the fonts in the program aMSN became weird last evening. but the fonts are ok in other programs. i belive it happened when i deinstalled and installed some flash plugins... the fonts are the same in aMSN main program as well as all conversation windows. i wonder how i can make aMSN normal again?
[04:41] <PhinnFort> frode__: sorry, I haven't tried aMSN, but why don't you use kopete?
[04:41] <PhinnFort> !xqf
[04:41] <ubotu> xqf: X-based Quake Server Browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4-2 (edgy), package size 411 kB, installed size 1728 kB
[04:42] <frode__> i like aMSN because it can adapt emoticons from other users. I also use only the MSN network, and aMSN looks more like what i am used to, as a former Windows user
[04:42] <Mena> PhinnFort, yes and okay and thanks :)
[04:42] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:43] <PhinnFort> frode__: okay
[04:43] <angasule> yeah, aMSN is about as ugly as the original MSN Messenger :P
[04:43] <PhinnFort> if you want to reset all of aMSN's settings, there's probably a ".amsn" file or folder in your home directory that you can delete
[04:43] <PhinnFort> angasule: ;)
[04:44] <PhinnFort> Kopete looks really beautiful in Feisty, with the GlossyK skin
[04:44] <angasule> PhinnFort: got any screenies?
[04:44] <angasule> 1.5 months till feisty
[04:44] <frode__> i'll try that, PhinnFort
[04:44] <compilerwriter> Is feisty ready for us mear mortals who don't know much if things go wrong?
[04:45] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: nope
[04:45] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:45] <compilerwriter> That is what I thought.
[04:45] <olimpico> I have problems with the xine plugin in firefox, it doesn't really work, what do you use for embedded videos and music under firefox for ubuntu?
[04:45] <PhinnFort> screenies: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=40797&file1=40797-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Glossyk
[04:45] <PhinnFort> olimpico: i think I use KMPlayer, in Konqueror
[04:46] <PhinnFort> or kaffeine
[04:46] <olimpico> Well I really prefer firefox
[04:47] <PhinnFort> it should work in Firefox too, I believe
[04:47] <angasule> PhinnFort: thanks :)
[04:47] <PhinnFort> np
[04:47] <olimpico> Because of the extensions and that at work I can use the same browser with the same extensions
[04:47] <PhinnFort> olimpico: you are free to use whatever browser you choose;)
[04:48] <PhinnFort> i believe there might be a kaffeine plugin or something for FF
[04:48] <angasule> PhinnFort: yeap, looks great :)
[04:48] <compilerwriter> Phinnfort: I agree with angasule it does look good.
[04:48] <PhinnFort> !kaffeine-mozilla | olimpico
[04:48] <ubotu> olimpico: kaffeine-mozilla: mozilla plugin that lanches kaffeine for supported media types. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.1.dfsg-0.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 136 kB
[04:48] <olimpico> PhinnFort: I know, but i want to know which pluggin works under firefox
[04:49] <angasule> PhinnFort: but why does your KDE look like Gnome?
[04:49] <PhinnFort> angasule: that's not mine
[04:49] <angasule> oh, well, it still looks like gnome, it's odd
[04:49] <compilerwriter> How does one see which version of kde they are using and then how does one update it.
[04:49] <olimpico> PhinnFort: Well I just installed it, let's see how it works
[04:50] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: click "Help, About KDE"
[04:50] <PhinnFort> angasule: here's mine: http://phinnfort.phil0d0x.com/stuff/screenie.jpg
[04:51] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:52] <angasule> PhinnFort: er du norsk? :)
[04:52] <PhinnFort> ja;)
[04:52] <compilerwriter> I only have 3.5.5 I guess I need to update to 3.5.6
[04:52] <angasule> I like the window decorations
[04:52] <PhinnFort> Dekorator
[04:53] <olimpico> How can I see encrypted videos under Linux? http://zango.com/Destination/Catalog/Play/?pid=2923&dsg=9&ref=35365&PageSize=20&TabType=home
[04:53] <Jucato> compilerwriter: if you're on Edgy: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[04:53] <PhinnFort> olimpico: i don't believe you can
[04:53] <compilerwriter> Yes I believe I am on edgy
[04:54] <compilerwriter> Jucato Yes I believe I am on edgy
[04:54] <olimpico> PhinnFort: Why? Isn't there a codec for linux?
[04:54] <compilerwriter> How does one go about it.  I haven't found it in adept.  Perhaps I missed it.
[04:55] <PhinnFort> olimpico: probably not, if it's DRM'ed
[04:56] <PhinnFort> !kickoff
[04:56] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[04:57] <PhinnFort> !iwantkickoff
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwantkickoff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <Mena> !FIESTY
[04:58] <fdoving> PhinnFort: http://en.opensuse.org/Kickoff
[04:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:59] <Mena> !fiesty | Mena
[04:59] <PhinnFort> fdoving: thanks
[05:00] <compilerwriter> Jucato: How do I go about the update.
[05:00] <Jucato> compilerwriter: if you're on Edgy: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[05:00] <PhinnFort> is the next version (after Feisty) going to be called Greedy Giraffe?
[05:00] <angasule> PhinnFort: it looks like an improvement over the standard KDE menu, but I bet much better things can be done
[05:00] <PhinnFort> angasule: but I want it;)
[05:01] <chavo> ho the next one is Phinicky PhinnFort
[05:01] <PhinnFort> nono, it's alphabetical
[05:02] <PhinnFort> after Greedy Giraffe comes Horny Hamster
[05:02] <PhinnFort> then Impaled Impala
[05:02] <chavo> there's nothing that says it needs to be alphabetical tho
[05:02] <PhinnFort> but the latest releases has been
[05:03] <fdoving> warty, hoary, breezy, edgy, feisty? whbef?
[05:03] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:03] <PhinnFort> Edgy, Feisty
[05:03] <fdoving> hardly a trend/rule :)
[05:03] <compilerwriter> More important than all of that I think adept may have stalled on me.  How do I check on that?
[05:05] <rainer> Hello! I just installed Kubuntu Dapper on my Dad's PC to show him how great Linuc truly is... but I ran into a problem: I cannot acces the config for users and groups and seem to have no permissions at all... ergo: No sound, no access to USB-devices etc. Any help?
[05:05] <compilerwriter> rainer install edgy instead of dapper.
[05:06] <binks_> can someone tell me how to connect a button from an imported Ui (PYQT4) to a slot / function
[05:06] <rainer> compilerwriter: But isn't Edgy more unstable? I wanted my dad to have a stable system...
[05:07] <PhinnFort> rainer: no, it's just supported for longer
[05:07] <compilerwriter> edgy has been better for me than dapper was and much more stable.
[05:07] <Skrot> binks_: Have you subclassed the UI-file?
[05:07] <rainer> PhinnFort: Do you believe those problems will sort themselves out when I dist-upgrade to Edgy?
[05:07] <PhinnFort> rainer: if you're lucky
[05:07] <PhinnFort> i would rather do a complete reinstall
[05:07] <PhinnFort> but you could try
[05:08] <rainer> PhinnFort: How high is the risk of wrecking the recent installation?
[05:09] <compilerwriter> rainer my guess would be at least 50%
[05:09] <Skrot> binks_: Syntax seems to be self.connect( sender-object, SIGNAL("yourSignal()"), slot )
[05:09] <binks_> Skrot: prob not im new to pyqt
[05:09] <compilerwriter> rainer I do however bow to PhinnForts superior knowledge.
[05:10] <PhinnFort> heh, I bow to yours, so we might end up with a stand-still
[05:10] <rainer> compilerwriter: Bad news that is... Any shell-command to change rights for a user + to add him to some groups? "sudo userconfig" exits with a dbus error...
[05:10] <PhinnFort> ;)=
[05:10] <PhinnFort> rainer: sudo gpasswd -a sound?
[05:10] <Skrot> binks_: You might also want to join #qt
[05:11] <binks_> http://pastebin.co.uk/11337
[05:11] <fdoving> rainer: if you have little or no documents and stuff you want to keep, i suggest to re-install with edgy instead of dist-upgrading from dapper.
[05:12] <Skrot> binks_: I've never used Qt4 + Python, but in Qt3 I used to do  self.connect(self.translatedBox,SIGNAL("textChanged()"),self.wordFound)
[05:13] <PhinnFort> in gentoo, you had to walk four miles just to get Grub started
[05:13] <rainer> fdoving: I do not have sufficiant time for that. Sorry. Are those problems I ran into well-known for Dapper? Is there some way to fix them without reinstall?
[05:14] <fdoving> rainer: is his user the one you created during install?
[05:14] <rainer> fdoving: Yes.
[05:15] <PhinnFort> rainer: have you tried "sudo gpasswd -a [username]  [group] "
[05:15] <PhinnFort> ?
[05:15] <rainer> PhinnFort: Yes, just did it. Returns with "Access denied"
[05:15] <PhinnFort> wtf
[05:16] <rainer> PhinnFort: Strange thing is - I can sudo...
[05:16] <PhinnFort> try sudo -s
[05:16] <fdoving> rainer: YOU can sudo, but he can't?
[05:17] <rainer> fdoving: No - he ("rainer") is the only user until now
[05:17] <rainer> PhinnFort: Launching sudo -s exits with "/usr/bin/gpasswd: /usr/bin/gpasswd: cannot execute binary file".
[05:17] <arriesp> ola angela
[05:18] <fdoving> rainer: ok, then i have no clue what broke during install.
[05:18] <PhinnFort> something bad
[05:18] <rainer> fdoving: Maybe I should just try to put up a new user - But how when I cannot access the tools for creating one?
[05:18] <fdoving> rainer: boot to rescue-mode or something.
[05:19] <PhinnFort> rainer: sudo adduser
[05:22] <rainer>  I'll try my luck... Thanks, everyone!
[05:25] <PhinnFort> yw
[05:26] <epimeth> anybody home?
[05:26] <PhinnFort> yeah
[05:27] <epimeth> know anything about wireless networking?
[05:27] <PhinnFort> well, i used to use wireless, but I've gone back to wired
[05:27] <epimeth> can you help me set mine up?
[05:28] <PhinnFort> well, what's the problem?
[05:28] <epimeth> I got it working on my desktop with ndiswrapper... this is my lappy now and I'm fairly certain I don't need to resort to tha
[05:28] <epimeth> t
[05:29] <epimeth> the card is being recognized and its recognized as a wireless card
[05:29] <PhinnFort> what happens when you launch Wireless Assistand?
[05:29] <PhinnFort> *t
[05:29] <epimeth> however, it doesn't find any networks and iwconfig doesn't show that it connects to the ssid I set in the interfaces file
[05:30] <epimeth> "non networks found"
[05:30] <PhinnFort> try sudo iwlist s
[05:31] <epimeth> hmmm... I just ran an upgrade and now I seem to also have sit0 as a network interface... wtf is that?
[05:31] <fuel> !manners
[05:31] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:31] <epimeth> my wlan card "Doesn't support scanning: no such interface"
[05:31] <epimeth> manners?
[05:31] <epimeth> I apologize if I did something wrong
[05:32] <PhinnFort> fuel: wtf?
[05:32] <PhinnFort> epimeth: i don't think sit0 is your network card
[05:32] <PhinnFort> epimeth: try "dmesg | tail"
[05:33] <colorsoundboy> hoi I cannot install from source I get message that I must install libstdc++-dev or simular. I did several package but still not possible :|
[05:33] <epimeth> !paste
[05:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:34] <PhinnFort> colorsoundboy: search for the file on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:34] <epimeth> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8415/
[05:35] <epimeth> also, come to think of it, now that I ran the upgrade my sound isn't working :-(
[05:36] <colorsoundboy> there are no package on package.ubuntu.com :|
[05:36] <PhinnFort> epimeth: i think you need to download firmware for your wireless card
[05:36] <PhinnFort> epimeth: "[17180013.156000]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed."
[05:36] <Mena_> Jucato, Hi
[05:36] <Mena_> Jucato, :)
[05:36] <fuel> epimeth : try  this
[05:36] <epimeth> PhinnFort: yea... noticed that... thought that might be the problem... thing is, I'm not sure what card I have
[05:37] <fuel> alt+f2 - > konsole -> cat /proc/net/dev
[05:37] <epimeth> Mena_: what up?
[05:37] <Mena_> Any one know whivh character work with most of langihes
[05:37] <fuel> see how many devices | names are present on the left side
[05:37] <Mena_> epimth, hi
[05:37] <Mena_> which*
[05:38] <PhinnFort> epimeth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[05:38] <Mena_> epimth, Do you know whcich chracter enable to read the arabic
[05:38] <Mena_> epimth, bec i use xp
[05:38] <epimeth> fuel: is sit0 a bluetooth device? I shouldn't have bluetooth, afaik... heh
[05:38] <PhinnFort> epimeth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy#head-05c64455c89f74ba241730b103efa82e93112a56
[05:39] <Mena_> epimth, andi have a problem bettween them in makeing files bec if i make a file/folder and its name in arabic on kubuntu when i log in xp i cant read it
[05:39] <fuel> sit0 is not bluetooth
[05:39] <fuel> its just dummy i suppose...
[05:39] <oem_> ok but i am using amarok that came with the platform
[05:39] <colorsoundboy> still  cannot install simple c++ programms libstdc++-dev or simular I installed from package manager
[05:39] <Mena_> epimeth, *
[05:39] <epimeth> Mena_: I'm checking
[05:40] <Mena_> epimeth, ok
[05:40] <epimeth> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8418/
[05:40] <PhinnFort> epimeth: add "deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net edgy-cafuego bcm43xx" to your sources.list
[05:40] <PhinnFort> then "wget http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/969F3F57.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[05:40] <fuel> it shows a network card is present
[05:40] <epimeth> Mena_: for you (egypt, right?) its ar_EG
[05:40] <PhinnFort> then "sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-firmware"
[05:40] <PhinnFort> fuel: he is missing the firmware
[05:41] <fuel> PhinnFort: ok
[05:41] <Mena_> epimeth, yes
[05:41] <PhinnFort> epimeth: you got that?;)
[05:41] <PhinnFort> you can also just download it directly: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb
[05:41] <Mena_> epimeth, but i wont to use english and also be able to read arabic words which was created in xp
[05:42] <epimeth> PhinnFort: I'd rather not use a non- ubuntu.com source in my list... safe to do so in your opinion?
[05:42] <PhinnFort> cafuego is pretty safe
[05:42] <PhinnFort> epimeth: but you can just download the package yourserlf
[05:42] <PhinnFort> *self
[05:43] <PhinnFort> since it's only one, it's probably easier
[05:43] <PhinnFort> epimeth: just download http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb and install it
[05:43] <epimeth> cool... wget http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb right?
[05:43] <PhinnFort> yup
[05:43] <PhinnFort> or just click on it
[05:43] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:44] <colorsoundboy> which package must I use so i can install from source I think I missed something?
[05:44] <epimeth> Mena_: I'll help you in a few, kay?
[05:44] <epimeth> I just want to get my wireless working first
[05:44] <Mena_> epimeth, okay
[05:44] <Mena_> epimeth, no prob
[05:44] <epimeth> that way I'm not bothering my cousins
[05:44] <PhinnFort> epimeth: right-click, kubuntu package menu, install
[05:44] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:45] <mhunt> Hi...
[05:45] <epimeth> PhinnFort: actually.. I think I need to use wget... opening it goes straight to Ark
[05:45] <epimeth> :-)
[05:45] <PhinnFort> ah, k
[05:45] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:46] <epimeth> :-o
[05:46] <epimeth> say it ain't so!!!
[05:46] <epimeth> !~.~
[05:46] <PhinnFort> ?
[05:47] <PhinnFort> ah...
[05:47] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:47] <PhinnFort> 8^B
[05:47] <oem_> what media players are good for kubuntu
[05:48] <PhinnFort> Codeine
[05:48] <PhinnFort> and Amarok
[05:48] <PhinnFort> !codeine
[05:48] <epimeth> whelp... hope I don't have bcm4318...
[05:48] <ubotu> codeine: Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-1 (edgy), package size 163 kB, installed size 576 kB
[05:48] <bhz-> I will pay $20 via paypal if you DoS someone for several hours. message me if interested
[05:49] <ipn> but what about mplayer?
[05:49] <epimeth> xmms! xmms! :-p
[05:49] <oem_> anyone have an executable link for Codien and does it play MP3's?
[05:50] <PhinnFort> bhz-: Half price today
[05:50] <PhinnFort> never
[05:50] <PhinnFort> ipn: not on KDE
[05:50] <mhunt> Anyone ever deal with "No module named gtkhtml2" when trying to run automatix?
[05:50] <PhinnFort> Kaffeine is also ok
[05:50] <WarDog> hi all
[05:50] <PhinnFort> oem_: get Amarok
[05:51] <Dr_willis> mhunt,  i would guess you  need to install some gtkhtml2 package.. go ask in #automatix
[05:51] <PhinnFort> oem_: go to "Multimedia" -> "Amarok" on the K-Menu
[05:51] <ipn> well i tried mplayer and it gives me a weird error... so i'm on kaffeine for now
[05:51] <oem_> Amorak wont play my mp3's
[05:51] <epimeth> PhinnFort: damn... I *DO* have 4318
[05:51] <PhinnFort> and...?
[05:51] <epimeth> the firware said it causes problems....
[05:51] <PhinnFort> ah...
[05:51] <Dr_willis> the Kubuntu Faq - mentions what pakcages are needed to get amorak to play mp3's I belive
[05:52] <PhinnFort> epimeth: #bcm-users
[05:52] <oem_> i dont remeber seeing that ...you have alink perhaps?
[05:52] <ipn> amarok 1.4.5 took his codecs alone...
[05:52] <PhinnFort> Dr_willis: amarok does it automagically
[05:52] <ipn> in my case, that is
[05:52] <sebis> HOLA
[05:53] <sebis> HELLO
[05:53] <Dr_willis> PhinnFort,  perhaps.. :) that may be a recently added feature
[05:53] <PhinnFort> !es
[05:53] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:53] <PhinnFort> Dr_willis: since before christmas at least, when I switched to Kubuntu
[05:53] <fdoving> .. since edgy, i think.
[05:57] <PhinnFort> what does .rtf stand for?
[05:57] <PhinnFort> Read The F*ck?
[05:57] <WarDog> rich text format
[05:58] <rolnyzx> what was the command to know the version of xyz program?
[05:58] <bhz-> PhinnFort join #___ I can't PM
[05:58] <echosyp> how do i change fstab so it will mount my other paritions so i can write to them
[05:58] <fdoving> rolnyzx: apt:/ in konqueror
[05:58] <fdoving> !fat | echosyp
[05:58] <ubotu> echosyp: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:58] <fuel> kio-slaves rock!
[05:59] <rolnyzx> fdoving, and in command line?
[05:59] <echosyp> i can view them fine
[05:59] <echosyp> i want to write to them
[05:59] <PhinnFort> hurray
[05:59] <fdoving> rolnyzx: dpkg -l bash, dpkg -s bash
[06:00] <WarDog> echosyp have you tried mount -t ntfs ?
[06:00] <rolnyzx> echosyp, rw in options
[06:01] <rolnyzx> thanks fdoving
[06:01] <fuel> how to know the list of possible kio-slaves ? any ideas
[06:02] <epimeth> PhinnFort: rtf = rich text format
[06:02] <PhinnFort> fuel: in KInfoCenter
[06:02] <margis> i need to paly lineage on linux
[06:02] <PhinnFort> ah
[06:02] <margis> can anyone  help me?
[06:02] <PhinnFort> that DoS dude was from Croatia, btw
[06:02] <fuel> PhinnFort:  where are kio-slaves ?
[06:02] <fuel> :P
[06:03] <epimeth> PhinnFort: bcm-users is dead...any way you can help me some more?
[06:03] <echosyp> i don't want to manually mount the partition every time
[06:03] <fuel> there is only hard ware information....
[06:03] <echosyp> i want to edit fstab so it will do it
[06:03] <PhinnFort> epimeth: i really don't know much about Wireless, and especially not your card;)
[06:03] <epimeth> echosyp: check your /etc/fstab file
[06:03] <echosyp> for what?
[06:03] <PhinnFort> fuel: under protocols
[06:03] <echosyp> i don't know what im looking for
[06:04] <epimeth> echosyp: its your automounts
[06:04] <echosyp> i know
[06:04] <fuel> PhinnFort:  :)
[06:04] <PhinnFort> how do you report abuse on freenode?
[06:04] <epimeth> echosyp: how do you manually mount?  I'll translate that to a fstab line for you :-)
[06:04] <echosyp> i don't manually mount anything
[06:04] <echosyp> thast the point
[06:04] <epimeth> ahhhh
[06:04] <epimeth> right
[06:04] <epimeth> okay
[06:04] <epimeth> what are you trying to mount?
[06:05] <echosyp> fstab is mounting my permisions as read only
[06:05] <echosyp> -permissions
[06:05] <echosyp> partitions
[06:05] <epimeth> mhmmm
[06:05] <epimeth> are they ntfs partitions?
[06:05] <echosyp> yes
[06:05] <epimeth> then you need ntfs-3g
[06:05] <epimeth> !ntfs
[06:05] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:05] <epimeth> !ntfs-3g
[06:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[06:06] <epimeth> just keep in mind that it's Beta, so it *might* corrupt your data
[06:06] <fuel> :)
[06:06] <jack> hello all
[06:06] <echosyp> i never had a problem doing this in slackware
[06:06] <epimeth> echosyp: I have been using it with no problems and as have many people I know.  so it's most likely safe to use
[06:06] <echosyp> but its fstab was different
[06:07] <epimeth> hello, jack!
[06:07] <jack> i am new to kubuntu and i need a bit of help(also new to bash and the whole general linux thingy)
[06:07] <jack> hello epimeth!
[06:07] <fuel> what is this linux thingy*
[06:07] <jack> well linux in general
[06:07] <Mena_> echosyp, you can try this sudo chmod 777 /dev/hda(X)
[06:07] <jack> i am usually a windows user and im sick of windows
[06:07] <oem_> yeah me to lol
[06:08] <oem_> today is my first day as linux user
[06:08] <Mena_> echosyp, i think this will make the partition had read and write
[06:08] <jack> newho, im having a bit of a prob loading kubuntu
[06:08] <fuel> Mena_: that doesnt work always... first it does not recurse
[06:08] <Dr_willis> jthis is when it pays to find some beginner guides and start reading
[06:08] <fuel> so you have to give sudo chmod -r 777 <your location>
[06:08] <Mena_> Fuel, ok
[06:08] <epimeth> PhinnFort: how do I manually set my AP, do you know that at least? the howto guy said he did that, but didn't explain how
[06:08] <Dr_willis> "Plese state the nature of the linux emergancy...." :)
[06:08] <Mena_> Fuel, hmmmmmm ok
[06:08] <PhinnFort> epimeth: iwconfig eth0 essid "thingy"
[06:08] <epimeth> Mena_: that doesn't work with the standard ntfs drivers
[06:08] <jack> it loads as usual, except after it does, it just gives me a command prompt, and i cant start anything graphical
[06:09] <Mena_> epimeth, ok
[06:09] <fuel> epimeth: you are right
[06:09] <epimeth> PhinnFort: not the essid, the AP (its ip address)
[06:09] <Mena_> Fuel, and -r what make
[06:09] <PhinnFort> iwconfig eth0 ap "mac"
[06:09] <fuel> -r == recurse  ; man chmod;
[06:09] <PhinnFort> or eth1
[06:09] <oem_> i just need a live link to the packages for Amarok packages so i can play my mp3's
[06:09] <Mena_> Fuel, ok
[06:09] <epimeth> echosyp: you working out okay with the howtos?
[06:10] <oem_> please
[06:10] <pauljw> for all you noobs here's a good start: http://www.linuxtopia.org/
[06:10] <epimeth> PhinnFort: and in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[06:10] <PhinnFort> dunno;)
[06:10] <epimeth> erg
[06:10] <epimeth> kk
[06:10] <echosyp> no
[06:10] <echosyp> i have amd64
[06:11] <echosyp> and im sure there is another way to do this
[06:11] <oem_> and realy i dont appreciate being called a noob
[06:11] <epimeth> PhinnFort: is that "mac" with colons or without?
[06:11] <PhinnFort> without prolly
[06:11] <PhinnFort> but i think both works
[06:11] <echosyp> without installing some beta ntfs driver
[06:12] <epimeth> echosyp: check with the slackware channel/forum/site what ntfs driver they use
[06:12] <Dr_willis> jack,  it may be your video card is having some issues. what is your video card?
[06:13] <epimeth> hay!  *that* was rude of him... whats the bets slackware uses ntfs-3g *without* any warnings?
[06:14] <jack> nvidia geforce 2go
[06:15] <jack> Dr_willis: not sure about much else about it though, if it was the vid card, why would it work fine before?(been running for about a week now)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> jack,  this is on a laptop eh?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> jack,  so you mean to say.. it has been working. but recently, X stopped working correctly?
[06:17] <jack> Dr_willis: correct, ive typed startX(as i do with my backtrack2 distro) and then it gives me an error message(something about something set to -1, not 0)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> 'startx' ya mean.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> its possible you need to reinstall the nvidia-glx package if there was a recent kernel update
[06:18] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:21] <MarkCh> how can i change the kde taskbar/panel text color?
[06:21] <MarkCh> the taskbar looks invisible on my dark wallpaper.
[06:24] <chavo> Mark you can set it to transparent ten go in the advanced dialog and change the tint color and amount
[06:25] <jack> Dr_willis: do you think reinstalling that will solve the problem?
[06:25] <chavo> or you can use a background image
[06:25] <astan> anyone know how i can get tv-out working on intel 950 graphics?
[06:25] <astan> (my laptop).
[06:25] <MarkCh> chavo: is there no way to change the text color in some external file, in gnome i can just add an entry in .gtkrc-2.0 to change the panel font color.
[06:26] <bonaldo2000> Can anyone help me! The "extract to" option has suddenly disapeared from the right click menu on tar.gz files in my kubuntu 6.10!
[06:26] <chavo> MarkCh, no but I think that will be in 3.5.7
[06:27] <chavo> it uses the button text color by default
[06:27] <MarkCh> chavo: okthx.
[06:27] <phicho> hi can someone tell me how to install kubuntu platform on ubuntu sistem or direct me to some page pls?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> jack,  i think fixing the problem would fix the problem.. 'reinstalling' is a windows mentality thing.
[06:27] <MarkCh> anyway, i dont know if they will ever change it in 3.5.7, since 4.0 will replace the panel with a new one, ryt?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> jack,  try 'startx' and paste the error messages to pastebin for us to look at.
[06:28] <jack> Dr_willis: ill try
[06:28] <jack> brb
[06:28] <phicho> i have the kubuntu version 6.06 LTS disk
[06:28] <Dr_willis> jack,  ALSO you could try editing the xorg.conf to use 'nv' instead of 'nvidia' and see if it works
[06:28] <chavo> MarkCh, 4.0 is a long way away
[06:28] <MarkCh> ok.
[06:29] <jack> k
[06:30] <phicho> anyone pls
[06:30] <fuel> phicho : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <Dr_willis> phicho,  the kubuntu homepage tells ya what fuel  just said. :)
[06:31] <phicho> thx
[06:31] <Dr_willis> it will try to cange the default  boot splash and other screens as well.
[06:31] <MarkCh> phicho: if you want, you can just install kde-core.
[06:31] <Jin> what is the quickest way to upgrade my just installed 6.06 install to 6.10?
[06:31] <MarkCh> much faster, and you can pick what applications to install, plus the bootscreens wont change.
[06:31] <Jin> it's a fresh install
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Jin,  you may be better off doing a clean install of 6.10
[06:32] <fuel> isnt full upgrade enough?
[06:32] <Jin> Dr_willis: hard to do due to the fact I'm on 56k and getting the new ISO will take well...a while
[06:32] <fuel> xorg-conf adds unwanted devices in the list
[06:32] <Jin> all I had is the 6.06 ISO on hand
[06:33] <Dr_willis> since its a totally new install.. you  may save time/space by getting the 6.10 cd. and a clean  install..downloading ALL the packages may take just as long or longer for the upgrade
[06:33] <epimeth> speaking of kubuntu splash screens... how do i get my booting up and shutting down screens to show me the services and devices that are goind up/down
[06:33] <epimeth> right now all I have is a blue kubuntu and a blue bar filling up or emptying out
[06:33] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  i always disbl the splash screens with 'nosplash' and use 'nofb' to see the text messages
[06:33] <oem_> why can i not edit and apply changes made to my Adept manager?
[06:33] <MarkCh> !sysvrcconf
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysvrcconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:33] <Dr_willis> oem_,  dident run it as root with sudo?
[06:34] <oem_> i went to this link   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:34] <MarkCh> epimeth: uninstall usplash or disable it.
[06:34] <oem_> so i could get the ackages for Amarok
[06:34] <phicho> thaanks fuel and Dr_willis it's working i'm new on this before i use to use winxp and ubundu is much different to xp in terms of installing
[06:34] <epimeth> Dr_willis: i still want the splashscreen... with dapper I had a splashcreen that showed the services as well
[06:34] <fuel> ubundu ?
[06:35] <abattoir> oem_: did you enter your password when it asked for it?
[06:35] <oem_> yes
[06:35] <fuel> epimeth : you have to edit out the last part in menu.lst
[06:36] <abattoir> oem_: try 'kdesu adept_manager' in a konsole window
[06:36] <epimeth> fuel: where is menu.lst located?
[06:36] <fuel> its in /boot/grub
[06:36] <Dr_willis> 'protect the newbies from the bad old.. startup messages! egads they dont need to know the system is 'scanning the disks' ...."
[06:37] <pauljw> oh god, don't call em newbies
[06:37] <fuel> !splash
[06:37] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[06:37] <fuel> why is a kubuntu channel bot talking about gnome splash screen  ? :-?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> pauljw,  would 'ms-lemming-zombies' be better?
[06:37] <pauljw> lol
[06:38] <chavo> hes in all the buntu channels
[06:38] <epimeth> why is emacs insistant on running in X... can't I run it in a konsole window???
[06:38] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  dependong on the settings it either decides touse the X interface, or the console interface - i recall
[06:38] <oem_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8425/
[06:39] <epimeth> -i still tries -d :-(
[06:39] <Dr_willis> but i use vi. :) so thats about all i can help ya waith
[06:39] <oem_> please look at my paste
[06:39] <Dr_willis> those messages mean nothing....
[06:39] <Dr_willis> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166  -- are from the xorg's default setup for tablet pc's
[06:39] <oem_> o ok
[06:40] <epimeth> ahhh ... emacs -nw
[06:40] <jack> Dr_willis: hello Dr Willis
[06:40] <Dr_willis> jack,  hello jack
[06:40] <jack> Dr_willis:i have another problem that i quickly learned
[06:41] <fuel> Dr_willis: yeah i had to edit out some devices before i got rid of those messages x(
[06:41] <epimeth> fuel: can't find the setting I need to change
[06:41] <Dr_willis> fuel,  yep. one of the first things i do also.
[06:42] <fuel> epimeth : alt+f2 -> konsole
[06:42] <jack> Dr_willis: when it gives me a command prompt after i log in, the screen doesnt scroll down as i enter code, it just stays in one spot, also when i try and clear it, it only clears a little
[06:42] <fuel> sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:42] <fuel> let me know after you have done this
[06:42] <epimeth> hay Doc... can you help me out with an out of control bcm4318
[06:42] <jack> Dr_willis: regardless, i get the error when i typed startx
[06:42] <epimeth> ?
[06:42] <epimeth> fuel: emacs... but yea
[06:42] <fuel> sorry first back up your menu.lst
[06:42] <epimeth> fuel: I can't stand vi... *shudder*
[06:42] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  wireless card? i try to not touch the things.. :)
[06:42] <fuel> sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst > /boot/grub/menu.lst.bk
[06:43] <epimeth> Doc... then what good are you?!?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  my mommy says im special!
[06:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:43] <fuel> epimeth:  what ever!
[06:43] <jack> Dr_willis: the first line of error reads: X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of priorty 0
[06:43] <epimeth> fuel: tis open :-)
[06:43] <fuel> ok
[06:44] <epimeth> the last lines are about loading the cp partition....
[06:44] <epimeth> s/cp/xp
[06:44] <fuel> epimeth:  go to the last
[06:44] <epimeth> i'm at the configuration for the 2.5.17-11 kernel, yes?
[06:45] <fuel> where you find something like this "kubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic ... "
[06:45] <epimeth> yes yes
[06:45] <epimeth> "quiet" should be disabled?
[06:45] <fuel> right :)
[06:45] <jack> Dr_willis: it then seems to introduce itself(build version and such) after that it give me a whole new set of errors(though im not sure if there is more because my screen wont scroll)
[06:45] <epimeth> hotness
[06:45] <epimeth> cheers fuel
[06:45] <fuel> epimeth: :)
[06:46] <jack> Dr_willis: the error reads: Fatal Server Error:
[06:46] <epimeth> fuel: maybe you know something about wireless cards?
[06:46] <fuel> epimeth: no :D
[06:46] <hamit> #pardus
[06:46] <jack> Dr_willis: no screens found. XIO: fatal IO error 104(connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[06:46] <epimeth> hmmm... found another howto... lets hope this one works
[06:47] <epimeth> hamit: what's that?
[06:47] <hamit> :S
[06:47] <hamit> sorry
[06:47] <epimeth> arggggggg.... "It seems that if you get the following string back: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) that this guide is VERY unlikly to work for you although it does sometimes, dont ask me why, but basically every "no" vote and "this didnt work for me" post comes from a BCM4318 user...."
[06:50] <Huey> what's the difference between using the 'ati' and the 'radeon' driver?
[06:50] <Huey> are they the same thing, or does one support more cards, with the other being more optimized?
[06:50] <epimeth> hamit: forgot the /join, eh?
[06:52] <sidnelson> anyone are using rrdtools for monitoring your network ??
[06:53] <Dr_willis> jack,  sounds like the nvidia drivers are not loaded correctly.  try the  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx  line,  and see if startx works then.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> jack,  as to the other issues.. not suer whats going on there.
[06:54] <jack> Dr_willis: Thank you dr willis, i will try that.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> its getting sad when the first step in troubleshooting is to disable all the fancy eye candy. (in this case using 'nosplash' and 'nofb' as kernel arguments to disable the framebuffer and other splash stuff
[06:54] <PF-Away> epimeth: what is the difference between your card and the guide?
[06:55] <oem_> how do i uncomment in adept manager?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> remove the # coment?
[06:56] <PF-Away> :P
[06:56] <Dr_willis> i always edit the sources.list by hand..
[06:56] <PF-Away> :P
[06:56] <Dr_willis> and i always make a backup first
[06:57] <oem_> that is what i am attempting to do
[06:57] <PF-Away> Dr_willis: do you listen to Norma Jean while doing it?
[06:57] <oem_> yes remove the comment ##
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Jamming to shoutcast with Audacious at the moment.
[06:58] <PF-Away> that's hardcore;)
[06:59] <malik_> where can i get linux supported webcam?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> malik_,  the store? :)
[06:59] <PF-Away> in a store
[06:59] <PF-Away> darn, you beat me to it;)
[06:59] <Dr_willis> malik_,  it pays to research which are best supported.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> I dont think the Sony Eyetoy cam is supported yet.. :(
[06:59] <Dr_willis> its the best looking webcam i got. (i got some old junk ones however)
[06:59] <Cugel> My Labtec webcam seems to work fine.
[07:00] <PF-Away> i've got a Lego camera working fine
[07:00] <PF-Away> :D
[07:00] <rolnyzx> malik_, http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml
[07:01] <malik_> well i have creative pd0040 n it says in wiki pages that it supported but 2 wks of cont. tries im still none wiser ;).......so i was thinkin if some one know of a website where i can buy a webcam with supplies linux drivers then i ll buy that.............or i will gladly pay some1 to install this one i already have:).............any takers?
[07:02] <PF-Away> malik_: you don't need to install anything, this is linux
[07:02] <PF-Away> just plug it in have fun;)
[07:02] <PF-Away> (if it's supported)
[07:02] <PF-Away> :P
[07:02] <tauri> hey guys
[07:02] <PF-Away> Stargate?
[07:02] <[EG] Tauri> eh?
[07:02] <[EG] Tauri> no just a name
[07:02] <PF-Away> Tauri meaning earth
[07:02] <PF-Away> i think
[07:02] <[EG] Tauri> Tauri meaning human
[07:02] <[EG] Tauri> :P
[07:02] <PF-Away> ah
[07:02] <PF-Away> ;)
[07:03] <[EG] Tauri> well... Tau'ri means human
[07:03] <PF-Away> yeah
[07:03] <[EG] Tauri> Tauri isi just a name
[07:03] <PF-Away> so you've watched it
[07:03] <PF-Away> ;)
[07:03] <[EG] Tauri> of course
[07:04] <PF-Away> SG-1 or Atlantis?
[07:04] <malik_> well if i dont need to install any thing then how come i cant access this cam...........the light on the cam is on which means that its probably installed n on but its not showin up in any of the applications which are used for webcam n plus all those IM clients show pic from my tv tuner card..........n webcam is not even in the list of cam sources
[07:04] <PF-Away> if you have to choose;)
[07:04] <romina> ciao
[07:05] <PF-Away> malik_: do you use Kopete?
[07:05] <[EG] Tauri> hmm... is there a program that allows me to fully customize the linux gui?
[07:05] <PF-Away> [EG] Tauri: how?
[07:05] <[EG] Tauri> um
[07:05] <PF-Away> [EG] Tauri: KDE
[07:05] <malik_> yes i have kopete/gaim/amsn n all
[07:05] <PF-Away> ;)
[07:05] <[EG] Tauri> kde...
[07:05] <[EG] Tauri> well i need to FULLY customize it
[07:05] <[EG] Tauri> make it look like Doom 3
[07:05] <PF-Away> malik_: in Kopete, go to the "Settings" menu, "Configure", and then Devices
[07:06] <PF-Away> [EG] Tauri: something like this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=27046&file1=27046-1.jpg&file2=27046-2.jpg&file3=27046-3.jpg&name=Mech-Tex+500+%28finished%29
[07:06] <PF-Away> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27046
[07:06] <tesuki__> is there any keystroke combination to go back in Firefox?
[07:06] <[EG] Tauri> lol something likek that
[07:07] <PF-Away> ;)
[07:07] <PF-Away> click the second link
[07:07] <[EG] Tauri> just more like doom 3
[07:07] <[EG] Tauri> and fullyl interactive
[07:07] <[EG] Tauri> with animations and the like...
[07:07] <malik_> its again same thing .......only video device showing is "leadtek winfast 2000xp expert" which is my tv tuner card :)
[07:08] <PF-Away> [EG] Tauri: it's called GCC
[07:08] <PF-Away> and OpenGL
[07:08] <[EG] Tauri> ok
[07:08] <PF-Away> as in roll it yourself;)
[07:08] <[EG] Tauri> lol
[07:08] <[EG] Tauri> well ill have a look at that site
[07:09] <[EG] Tauri> what kdeo version is kubuntu?
[07:09] <[EG] Tauri> kde*
[07:09] <PF-Away> 3.5.6 I believe
[07:10] <malik_> PF-Away: its again same thing .......only video device showing is "leadtek winfast 2000xp expert" which is my tv tuner card :)
[07:10] <PF-Away> you can't select any other?
[07:10] <malik_> PF-Away: noops
[07:11] <PF-Away> malik_: can you paste the output of "dmesg | tail"
[07:11] <PF-Away> !paste | malik
[07:11] <ubotu> malik: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:12] <ComputerHermit> !kde
[07:12] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:14] <malik_> PF-Away: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8434/
[07:14] <PF-Away> malik_: paste the whole output from dmesg
[07:14] <uthturn> OK so i was messing around with my new kubuntu set-up . I accidently deleted my systray from the bottom taskbAR now i can't see programs i opened. I cannot find the option to add it back. Somebody please help
[07:16] <fdoving> uthturn: right-click on the bottom taskbar (it's name is kicker), add applet.. find it and bring it back.
[07:16] <odla> uthturn: you should be able to add it back via the applet
[07:16] <malik_> PF-Away: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8434/ ...............thats the whole output....after the last line is just prompt sign
[07:17] <PF-Away> mkay
[07:17] <PF-Away> but without the tail
[07:17] <PF-Away> just "dmesg"
[07:17] <uthturn> ya'll rule
[07:17] <eric> is there an anydvd or dvdencrypter for linux?
[07:17] <uthturn> thanks so much
[07:18] <uthturn> i've been tring to fiqure that out for an hour
[07:18] <PF-Away> eric: what do you want to do?
[07:18] <uthturn> doesn't say much for me does it
[07:18] <eric> burn dvds, and have it automatically crack the encryption
[07:19] <PF-Away> eric: deCSS always crack the encryption
[07:19] <eric> there are two programs i use on windows, anydvd and clonedvd, but im looking for something like that for kubuntu
[07:19] <PF-Away> to copy DVD's?
[07:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: burn
[07:20] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[07:20] <eric> yea anydvd cracks it, clonedvd copies and compresses it
[07:20] <[EG] Tauri> !yast
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <PF-Away> !dvd::rip
[07:20] <ubotu> dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[07:20] <PF-Away> eric: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#CD_.26_DVD_burning_.26_ripping
[07:21] <apokryphos> [EG] Tauri: you are in #kubuntu ;)
[07:21] <malik_> PF-Away: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8435/  ..............thats the output with just dmesg
[07:21] <PF-Away> dank
[07:21] <raphael> Hi!
[07:22] <eric> libdvdcss2?
[07:22] <eric> get that package?
[07:22] <raphael> Frage: update-manager -c   sagt bei mir nur "system ist up-to-date"  ?? will von dapper auf edgy ?!
[07:22] <PF-Away> malik_: you compiled module/driver yourself?
[07:22] <PF-Away> !de
[07:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:22] <PF-Away> !de | raphael
[07:22] <ubotu> raphael: please see above
[07:22] <raphael> ok, english: I want to upgrade from dapper to edgy but "update-manager -c" only says "system is up-to-date" ! -- why?
[07:23] <raphael> thx
[07:23] <[EG] Tauri> hey is Yast compatable with kubuntu?
[07:23] <apokryphos> [EG] Tauri: not really
[07:23] <PF-Away> [EG] Tauri: probably not
[07:23] <[EG] Tauri> ...
[07:23] <PF-Away> with some tweaking, you might get it working though
[07:23] <[EG] Tauri> so what do i use to get bootskins working?
[07:23] <PF-Away> garlic
[07:23] <apokryphos> [EG] Tauri: some modules of it could be in theory, but you'd probably need quite a bit (read: a LOT) of work to integrate
[07:23] <[EG] Tauri> !garlic
[07:23] <ubotu> garlic: A visualization program for biomolecules. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 235 kB, installed size 900 kB
[07:23] <malik_> PF-Away: what module/driver?
[07:24] <eric> hmm i'll mess around with it
[07:24] <malik_> PF-Away: i just kept following whatever i founmd on wiki pages
[07:24] <PF-Away> malik_: the kernel says you compiled the module in your homedir: "/home/malik/ov51x-jpeg-0.5.4/ov51x.c"
[07:25] <eric> should i update my linux-restricted-modules?
[07:25] <[EG] Tauri> ok well i want to get this working with kubuntu: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27889
[07:25] <Dr_willis> eric,  always a good idea.
[07:25] <[EG] Tauri> will this garlic work?
[07:25] <eric> last time I did I had to wipe my machine from a linux kernel upgrade
[07:25] <eric> cuz it killed my network card
[07:25] <Dr_willis> eric, thgats what the extra older entrys in the grub boot menus are for.
[07:26] <eric> ?
[07:26] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn how the linux system works. also.. i would guess some module wasent getting loaded in that case
[07:26] <[EG] Tauri> !bootskin
[07:26] <malik_> PF-Away: oki that wud be correct..........but was it right thing to do or not i dont know
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootskin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <jack> what repository do i need to apt-get nvidia-glx?
[07:26] <eric> extra older entries...
[07:27] <Dr_willis> !info nvidia-glx
[07:27] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.2 (edgy), package size 3971 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[07:27] <PF-Away> !webcam
[07:27] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:27] <Dr_willis> jack,  its in restricted it seems.
[07:27] <PF-Away> malik_: what kind of webcam do you have?
[07:27] <[EG] Tauri> how do i get bootskins to work with Kubuntu?
[07:27] <jack> Dr_willis: and what does that mean for me?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[07:28] <Dr_willis> should be the line in the apt.sources listing  (i think)
[07:28] <Dr_willis> if using edgy
[07:28] <rmd_> i'm stalling kubuntu-desktop from xubuntu.  should i expect any problems upon logging in next time?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> jack,  my complete sources.list -------->  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8436/
[07:29] <Dr_willis> rmd_,  nope
[07:29] <Dr_willis> rmd_,  it may want to use kdm instead of gdm,  (it should ask what to use)
[07:29] <Dr_willis> if using kde mainly - you proberly want to use kdm anyway
[07:30] <malik_> PF-Away: its creative PD0040
[07:30] <rmd_> yeah.
[07:30] <rmd_> one reason i'm trying out kubutnu is because i'm tired of loading all this gnome stuff and then booting xfce, which is anti-gnome...
[07:30] <rmd_> that is, using gdm to boot xfce seems silly
[07:30] <Dr_willis> xfce is using a lot of the gtk stuff i thought
[07:30] <Dr_willis> so xfce is closer related to gnome then kde is.
[07:30] <rmd_> nono
[07:30] <rmd_> xubuntu uses all gtk apps
[07:31] <rmd_> EXCEPT
[07:31] <rmd_> gdm for login
[07:31] <Dr_willis> find a gtk  only loigin then. :)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> or just use the console.. heh
[07:31] <rmd_> *shrug*
[07:31] <rmd_> i used the console for a while
[07:31] <rmd_> i'm a big fan of screen, in fact
[07:31] <Dr_willis> xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, i think theres a few others
[07:31] <hatta> I like startx
[07:31] <rmd_> but i was reading about how kdm shares this that and the other, where as xfce has to load something new for each application
[07:32] <Dr_willis> go hardkore and have your .bashrc startx if  its not allready loaded. :)
[07:32] <rmd_> err, kdm=kde
[07:32] <illusia> hi all!
[07:32] <Dr_willis> rmd_,  first ive ever heard of it...
[07:32] <malik_> dmesg out put says that hyperthreading is disabled............how do i enable it?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> xfce is normally touted as being very lightweight.
[07:32] <Dr_willis> sounds like more research is needed... or just get to work and quit worrying about it .:)
[07:32] <rmd_> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Memory_Usage_Comparison_KDE_vs_GNOME_vs_XFCE_vs_WindowMaker
[07:33] <rmd_> yeah.  i'm just goofing around.  it's saturday :)
[07:33] <Dr_willis> windowmaker should be the lightest of the bunch. :)
[07:33] <rmd_> it is
[07:33] <rmd_> but then again, it is implemented for a different breed of user
[07:33] <Dr_willis> or go REAL light and use jwm, or matchbox, or some other odd-ball mini-windowmanager.
[07:33] <illusia> how do i change trash icon or where i can find direct location which icon is used?I checked /usr/share/icons/mytheme and changed all trash icon to their size and nothing happend :(
[07:33] <Dr_willis> windowmaker is basicially just a windowmanager + a few apps. Not a full desktop also.
[07:33] <rmd_> does kde have one of these crazy built-in compositors?
[07:34] <fdoving> rmd_: yes, kompmgr
[07:35] <rmd_> cool
[07:35] <fdoving> (if that's the kind of comp you want).
[07:35] <rmd_> yep
[07:36] <rmd_> its the only thing i "love" about xfce.  i've found it actually increases my productivity
[07:36] <Master_Kale> does anyone still use BlackBox as a DE? :P
[07:36] <Dr_willis> im never productive... so it dosetn matter much
[07:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:36] <rmd_> or something
[07:36] <rmd_> hah
[07:36] <malik_> PF-Away: its creative PD0040...........any i dea abt it?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Master_Kale,   some of the ***box variants are popular in many cases and live cd's
[07:36] <Master_Kale> I used it for a time with Windows
[07:37] <Dr_willis> MatchBox is not related to the blackbox faimly :)
[07:37] <Master_Kale> its very minimalist
[07:37] <PF-Away> malik_: i really don't have any idea...
[07:37] <PF-Away> sorry
[07:37] <sidnelson> anyone teach how to solve the dependencie of cpan perl module ??
[07:37] <hellcattrav> hey all, im planning on reinstalling fromt eh live cd but would like to back up my wireless settings in knetworkmanager,b/c it took me a devil of a time getting it to work
[07:37] <hellcattrav> as well well as the sources list
[07:37] <fdoving> sidnelson: in ubuntu and debian we don't use the cpan command line, uasually, we get the package included in our distribution. what is the cpan module you need?
[07:38] <malik_> PF-Away: thats oki thanx 4 tryin anyway
[07:38] <PF-Away> np
[07:38] <sidnelson> fdoving: i need the rrdtool simple interface
[07:38] <reldruh> is there a way to embed konsole into konqueror?
[07:38] <PF-Away> malik_: try apt-get install gspca
[07:38] <PF-Away> reldruh: yes
[07:38] <[EG] Tauri> !deb
[07:38] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[07:38] <PF-Away> "Window" on the menu, and "Show Terminal Emulator"
[07:38] <reldruh> PF-Away: what is it?
[07:39] <PF-Away> look up
[07:39] <sidnelson> fdoving: the problem is that module depends the many other module and install one a one by hand is borry rsss
[07:39] <fdoving> sidnelson: something like apt:/show?librrdp-perl (put that in konqueror address)
[07:39] <sidnelson> fdoving: ok
[07:39] <fdoving> sidnelson: exactly, that's why we use the distribution packages, all dependencies are incldued.
[07:40] <reldruh> PF-Away: where is window? I don't see it on my menu bar, or in any of the menus..
[07:40] <_6StringKng_> adept updater hangs att 99%...
[07:40] <_6StringKng_> what shoudl I do
[07:40] <_6StringKng_> should I do?
[07:40] <PF-Away> reldruh: just left of "Help"
[07:40] <PF-Away> _6StringKng_: wait
[07:41] <sidnelson> fdoving: thanks ... i think that is work for me
[07:41] <_6StringKng_> k, no wit says error for one of the sources
[07:41] <bonbonthejon> reldruh: if you turned off the menu do ctrl-m
[07:41] <_6StringKng_> ftp://boluftp.uni-bonn.de edgy Release.gpg
[07:41] <reldruh> PF-Away: I have 'Settings' just left of help, and there's nothing about a terminal or window in there. My menu is on..
[07:41] <hellcattrav> doesanyone know how i would go about backing up my knetworkmanager settings?
[07:42] <PF-Away> reldruh: something is wrong... Try opening a clean konqi (alt+f2, konqueror)
[07:42] <fdoving> hellcattrav: backup ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[07:42] <hellcattrav> ok
[07:42] <[EG] Tauri> !moodin
[07:42] <ubotu> moodin is a ksplash theme engine, enabled by default in Kubuntu Dapper, and you can grab it for Breezy here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705
[07:42] <sidnelson> fdoving: nice tip, i dont know that a i can see info about packages in the konqueror ... that's great
[07:42] <PF-Away> I have Location, Edit, View, Go, Bookmarks, Tools, Settings, Window, Help
[07:42] <hellcattrav> fdoving:what is ~?
[07:42] <_6StringKng_> k, no wit says error for one of the sources
[07:42] <_6StringKng_> k, no wit says error for one of the sources
[07:42] <_6StringKng_> ftp://boluftp.uni-bonn.de edgy Release.gpg
[07:42] <reldruh> PF-Away: that doesn't change my menubar. I haven't fiddled with the menubar settings in konq
[07:42] <fdoving> sidnelson: yes, if you just go to apt:/ in konqueror you can search and all. it's nice :)
[07:43] <fdoving> hellcattrav: ~ is your homedir. /home/username usually.
[07:43] <hellcattrav> oh
[07:43] <hellcattrav> ok
[07:43] <fdoving> _6StringKng_: what is the error?
[07:43] <hellcattrav> thank you
[07:43] <illusia> how do i change trash icon or where i can find direct location which icon is used?I checked /usr/share/icons/mytheme and changed all trash icon to their size and nothing happend :(
[07:43] <_6StringKng_> just said error where the loading bar was
[07:44] <fdoving> hellcattrav: you're welcome, it won't backup passwords stored in the wallet. those are in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/
[07:44] <fdoving> illusia: what do you want to do with the trash icon, replace it?
[07:46] <illusia> fdoving yes
[07:47] <fdoving> illusia: the files used are /usr/share/icons/default.kde/*/filesystems/trash*
[07:48] <malik_> PF-Away: apt-get install gspca .......apt cant find package in repos
[07:48] <PF-Away> sorry, just found an old forum post telling it contained a driver
[07:48] <sstchur> Wonder why KDE won't seem to honor thunderbird as my default mail client.  I've done what I believe is necessary to set that up
[07:48] <PF-Away> !thunderbird
[07:48] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[07:48] <illusia> fdoving thx
[07:51] <sstchur> ubotu: What I'm trying to do is get KDE to auto launch thunderbird when I right click on a file and choose Actions -> Email File
[07:52] <reldruh> sstchur: if you go to System Settings > Default Applications, you can pick your email application
[07:53] <sstchur> reldruh: Ok thanks... I did in fact try to do this.  I chose thunderbird, but it still keeps trying to launch kmail.  Why would that be?
[07:54] <joshjosh> quick noob question: Trying to install new icons in KDE...tells me that the file isn't a proper icon archive. There a quick fix for this, or am I SOL?
[07:54] <Lopalopa> salve
[07:54] <reldruh> sstchur: I'm really not sure... I use kmail, I've never had to change that. That's the only place I know of to change that. Sorry :-(
[07:55] <joshjosh> the file is a tar.gz archive, if that helps
[07:56] <rmd_> why did the kubuntu-desktop want me to configure postfix?
[07:59] <sstchur_> reldruh: sorry connections problems.... not sure if you replied, but if so... I missed it
[07:59] <reldruh> sstchur: I just said that I use kmail and have never had to change that so I don't know why it might not be working
[08:03] <reldruh> can somebody help me get an embedded konsole windows in konqueror?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:04] <Dr_willis> but lets see
[08:05] <fearful> Hello
[08:05] <Dr_willis> there ya go.. browser up top.. konsole at bottom
[08:06] <fearful> hey does any one know how i can add different dictionary packages for openoffice, like lets say spanish?
[08:06] <mayer> Any1 know if there is a way to get microsoft wireless gaming receiver working in kunbuntu?
[08:06] <chavo> reldruh, F8
[08:06] <tauri> !gtk
[08:06] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[08:06] <Dr_willis> gaming reciever = a joystick?
[08:06] <reldruh> chavo, Dr_willis: thank you both!
[08:07] <Dr_willis> heh... never notiuced that F8 did that
[08:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:07] <fearful> can any one help me?
[08:07] <mayer> Dr_willis: its a usb device that lets u use xbox 360 wireless hardware on the pc
[08:07] <Dr_willis> mayer,  interesting
[08:08] <Huey> i think beryl and kcontrol are fighting over control over the keybindings in some way that they never get registered...is there a way to instruct beryl to allow kcontrol to handle all the keyboard shortcuts?
[08:08] <Dr_willis> mayer,  i would say do some googling. that may be so new theres no support for it yet.
[08:08] <rob-west> will F8 work in gnome
[08:08] <Huey> for instance, katapult no longer launches with Alt+Space
[08:08] <rob-west> for USB devices
[08:08] <Dr_willis> Huey,  yep. thats an issue with beryl it takes over a lot of keybindings
[08:08] <mayer> Dr_willis: been googleing for awhile so guess its too new to c there yet
[08:09] <tauri> how do i make themes for KDE?
[08:09] <Dr_willis> mayer,  yep. that would be my guess
[08:09] <Dr_willis> tauri,  kde-look.org and check out the tutorials
[08:09] <tauri> cool
[08:09] <BluesKaj> never understood what is katapult about, anyway?
[08:09] <Dr_willis> tauri, its NOT trivial. :)
[08:09] <Huey> Dr_willis: but beryl doesn't have anything assigned to Alt+Space
[08:09] <mayer> Dr_willis: to bad wanted my wireless headset working, oh well guess it wont take to long
[08:10] <tauri> meaning?
[08:10] <fearful> when i try to install beryl from my adept it says that the beryl has an error and can't install it.. how could this be fixed?
[08:10] <[EG] Tauri> what do u mean its NOT trivial?
[08:10] <reldruh> BluesKaj: katapult is wonderful. You launch it with Alt+Space, start typing the name of a program or file or even math problem and it returns matches. If you press enter, it executes the current... thing
[08:11] <fearful> damn i didn't know that
[08:11] <BluesKaj> whynot just click on the file ...why type ?
[08:11] <_6StringKng_> I need help getting my windows vista partition mounted...my xp one auto mounts but not the vista one, which contains all my media files, lol
[08:11] <BluesKaj> guess i don't "get it", reldruh
[08:11] <reldruh> BluesKaj: what if the file isn't on your desktop? Or if it's buried layers deep in your folders?
[08:12] <reldruh> BluesKaj: it's incredibly convienent. Even more so than Alt+F2 for me because I don't have to type the whole file name
[08:12] <reldruh> BluesKaj: no matter what I'm doing, katapult lets me open something new without really interrupting what I'm doing
[08:12] <fearful> my adept doesn't find any programs... i need to download aMsn and it can't find it
[08:13] <reldruh> BluesKaj: try it out and if it's not your thing, that's cool. But it's a pretty popular application. At least give it a chance
[08:13] <[EG] Tauri> !theme
[08:13] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:13] <_6StringKng_> I need help getting my windows vista partition mounted...my xp one auto mounts but not the vista one, which contains all my media files, lol
[08:14] <BluesKaj> trying to open sources list , but it dies
[08:15] <phicho> hi guys can somebody tell me how can i install kubuntu platfom on ubuntu sistem but not to download form net because i already have it on cd version 6.06 LTS
[08:15] <[EG] Tauri> !KDM
[08:15] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[08:16] <fearful> can anyone help me, my adept won't finde neither aMsn or Wine
[08:17] <[EG] Tauri> how do i run KDM?
[08:17] <fdoving> !universe | fearful
[08:17] <ubotu> fearful: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:17] <_6StringKng_> I need help getting my windows vista partition mounted...my xp one auto mounts but not the vista one, which contains all my media files, lol
[08:17] <fdoving> !ntfs | _6stringkng_
[08:17] <ubotu> _6stringkng_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:17] <fearful> thank you!
[08:18] <phicho> anyone ?
[08:18] <fdoving> _6StringKng_: not sure what magic vista does to the partitions, the instructions at that site might not work for you then..
[08:19] <[EG] Tauri> how do i use KDM?
[08:19] <fdoving> phicho: do you have the alternate install cd, or just the desktop/livecd?
[08:19] <fdoving> [EG] Tauri: it should be autostarted at boot.
[08:19] <[EG] Tauri> ok how do i change the themes?
[08:20] <fdoving> [EG] Tauri: hack /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[08:20] <[EG] Tauri> kk
[08:20] <fearful> what do i need to download to get dictionary in spanish for open office?
[08:21] <phicho> fdoving i think it is the live cd the one with a blue mask
[08:21] <fdoving> fearful: myspell-es
[08:21] <fearful> thanks!
[08:21] <fdoving> phicho: ouch, then it won't work. you can't simply install the packages from it.
[08:22] <fearful> andy one more thing, whats the best msn client?
[08:22] <fdoving> kopete.
[08:23] <fearful> ok
[08:23] <gareth_> i preffer gaim
[08:23] <swanfl> bear in miond, kpoete has issues
[08:23] <geert_> Mister Fearful just go to your instal program and download the dictionary sp.
[08:23] <swanfl> gaim is good
[08:23] <swanfl> they both have their bugs and advantages
[08:23] <BluesKaj> amsn works well too
[08:24] <phicho> ok thx so i must delete ubuntu and install kubuntu but on kubuntu how can i install linux header and gcc and g++ so the "make" word to work ?
[08:24] <geert_> Or loke in the open office page it is esay
[08:25] <fearful> im having a pretty bad problem with my wireless card too, i can't connect on wireless. it recognizes it but it won't let me enable it
[08:26] <fdoving> phicho: install the 'build-essential' package.
[08:27] <fearful> can any one help me with the wireless problem?
[08:29] <fdoving> what wlan-card?
[08:29] <[EG] Tauri> what are some cool themes for Kubuntu?
[08:30] <fdoving> [EG] Tauri: checkout http://kde-look.org
[08:30] <[EG] Tauri> yeah i am
[08:30] <[EG] Tauri> lol
[08:30] <phicho> fdoving thx alot so in Packer Manager i check 'build-essential' and i can use 'make' on kubuntu
[08:30] <fdoving> phicho: yep.
[08:31] <phicho> thanks
[08:31] <fearful> does any one know how to get mp3's to work i forgot the name of the program..
[08:32] <darksider415> fearful: sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[08:33] <darksider415> fearful: Or install libxine-extracodecs from within Adept.
[08:33] <fearful> thank you
[08:33] <darksider415> fearful: Just make sure you've got the multiverse repository enabled.
[08:34] <fearful> ok
[08:34] <fearful> hey listen maybe you can help me with the wireless problem
[08:34] <fearful> i go to network connections, and it recognizes it, but it doesn't let me enable it
[08:34] <darksider415> What chipset?
[08:34] <fearful> it's a Dell WLan Card 1350
[08:35] <darksider415> Are you in "adminstrator mode"?
[08:35] <fearful> yes
[08:35] <fearful> it turns it green then goes to red again
[08:35] <darksider415> fearful: Is it set to automatically enable when you boot?
[08:35] <fearful> yes
[08:36] <fearful> have any idea what could be going wrong?
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> you're driver isn't installed
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know how to help you install it, i'm terrible with wireless
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> but yes, your driver is probably not installed
[08:38] <fearful> i see
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> fearful: laptop?
[08:38] <fearful> yes
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> lspci, look for the wireless controller
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> lspci ... run that in konsole
[08:39] <fearful> ok a lot of things came up
[08:39] <fearful> lol
[08:40] <fyrmedic> fearful: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> fearful: page up...or shift + page up, you'll see it near the bottom
[08:40] <fearful> yea it says soemthing about the wireles
[08:41] <fearful> i'll try the site
[08:41] <fyrmedic> fearful: that link is to the installation instructions for ndiswrapper. I am in the process of the same thing, at least you can get yours up in system settings.
[08:41] <fearful> lol:p
[08:41] <fyrmedic> it is a good tutorial that should work for you.
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> fearful: what does the line read
[08:41] <darksider415> fearful: It's a Broadcom-based card, which is a major part of why it's not working. Here's the documentation to make it work. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_(ndiswrapper)?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29
[08:42] <Huey> if hitting Alt+Space makes the cursor jump back one word in nano run through konsole, does that mean there's a problem with xmodmap or something? i think this may be related to why Alt+Space does not launch amarok
[08:42] <oem_> is there a proggy that i can use to install proggies in ark?
[08:42] <Huey> er, katapult*
[08:42] <fearful> it just says Network ontroller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[08:43] <oem_> is there a proggy that i can use to install proggies in ark?
[08:45] <fearful> damn it my adept doesn't find libxine-extracodecs..
[08:45] <fdoving> !multiverse | fearful
[08:45] <ubotu> fearful: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:45] <Mena> !pastebin
[08:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:46] <hellcattra1> fdoving: I was wanting to save my knetworkmanager settings, b/c i plan on reinstalling from the live cd to make the XP partition smaller...what else shoudl i save?
[08:46] <darksider415> fearful: And the wireless should be found in that wiki entry.
[08:47] <darksider415> !broadcom wireless
[08:47] <fearful> ok but my universe repositories are enabled..
[08:47] <darksider415> You need the multiverse repository as well.
[08:47] <fdoving> fearful: you need multiverse too.
[08:47] <fearful> they are all enabled
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> but it is in multiverse :)
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> fearful: sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> or hit update
[08:48] <compilerwriter> SOS adept hung up on me.  What do I do?
[08:48] <fdoving> hellcattra1: documents and things you've created?
[08:48] <darksider415> Multiverse isn't automatically shown in the standard Kubuntu install, so you'll need to add multiverse to the line with the Universe repository.
[08:48] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | compilerwriter
[08:48] <ubotu> compilerwriter: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:49] <Wulfe> can somebody help me install superkarumba ? i did the ./configure in KDE and then went to make ... and i get nothing ... where am i going wrong ?
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Wulfe: it's in the repositories
[08:49] <Dr_willis> Wulfe,  yave you ever compiled anything befor?
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Wulfe: open adept and search for SuperKaramba
[08:49] <Wulfe> not really
[08:49] <Dr_willis> !info superkaramba
[08:49] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 515 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[08:50] <fearful> when i do
[08:50] <fearful> sudo apt-get update it says command not found
[08:50] <Dr_willis> Wulfe,  thgeres several pacaktges you need tyo intall to get the compiling  system going.
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> or, try sudo apt-get install superkaramba in a konslo
[08:50] <Mena> Go to here kde-look.org to find themes for superkaramba
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> fearful: in a terminal?
[08:50] <fearful> yes
[08:50] <Wulfe> tried the apt-get install superkarumba and it didnt find it
[08:50] <Dr_willis> !terminal
[08:50] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:50] <noe> hola
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> freddy@omg-gnus:~$ sudo apt-get update
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty Release.gpg [191B] 
[08:50] <Dr_willis> then your repositories are not set up right.
[08:51] <Dr_willis> . In component universe,
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> Wulfe: because it's spelled superkaramba. you may need universe
[08:51] <Wulfe> do i need to add to my sources list ?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> !universe | Wulfe
[08:51] <ubotu> Wulfe: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:51] <fearful> how do i set them up correctly?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> check that link
[08:51] <Dr_willis> ## UBUNTU REPOSITORIES
[08:51] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[08:51] <Dr_willis> i think is the proper line to enable them all.
[08:52] <Mena> Dr_Willis, its sure that i cant use source lit of edgy on fiesty right ?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Mena: no
[08:52] <Dr_willis> I dont do fiesty.. :)
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> that is a sure way to break things
[08:53] <Dr_willis> proberly wont try fiesty till a month or so after its released.
[08:53] <Mena> Admiral_Chicago, even if i renames edgy to feisty on the source
[08:53] <Wulfe> where is the source list located ?
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> all your sources should be of the same release *unless* you are using special repos like Koffice or Amarok
[08:53] <darksider415> Mena: Just change where it says "edgy" to Feisty and the Ubuntu repositories work.
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Mena: that would update you to Feisty
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Wulfe: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Wulfe: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> the second one
[08:53] <Mena> darksider415, ok
[08:54] <darksider415> I've been running Feisty since Herd 2 on my notebook, and it's pretty nice.
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_willis: Testers! :).
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Herd 1 over here, no problems. :)
[08:54] <Mena> Admiral_Chicago, so if o use fiesty and thsi source with the name fiesty will work for packages right
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> okay time to be productive / a good student
[08:54] <fearful> lol
[08:54] <fearful> bye
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Mena: rephrase please
[08:54] <Wulfe> so what do i add into there ?
[08:54] <Mena> Admiral_Chicago, you say it will update me to fiesty
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Mena: yes, it will grab the latest packages in Feisty
[08:55] <Mena> Admiral_Chicago, but for pacages also right i mean if there was a n update after upadteing to feist
[08:55] <Mena> updating *
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Mena: you will update a lot of packages
[08:55] <Mena> ok
[08:56] <Mena> Thanks fiends
[08:56] <fearful> i am using an externla hd for my music, can any one tell me how to change the privledges so i can read/write i tried right click
[08:58] <Huey> when xrestop says it is monitoring 33 clients, what exactly does this mean?
[08:58] <Huey> are there 33 different programs drawing?
[08:59] <compilerwriter> Adept closed complaining about uncommitted changes.  Should I reboot and try again, what next.
[09:02] <j_> OH man Beryl is awesome.. =)
[09:02] <j_> It's even more awesome that I finally got it working on my machine
[09:02] <fearful> can any one tell me how to fully reboot kubuntu, kill all processes i can't open adept
[09:02] <Huey> is anyone else having problems with beryl/kde interactions?
[09:02] <compilerwriter> !beryl
[09:02] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:03] <fearful> The APT database could not be opened problem.
[09:03] <j_> I'm slowly working it out, I use KDE
[09:03] <Huey> fearful: sudo reboot
[09:03] <fearful> tried
[09:03] <fearful> still
[09:03] <darksider415> fearful: Open up your konsole and type "sudo killall adept" then "sudo killall dpkg"
[09:03] <slyfox> Is there some kind of program on Linux which will allow me to set specific time allowed for someone to sit on the computer? I mean like say 3 hours per day on weekends and 1.5 on weekdays ?  Soemthing Like Child Control on Windows ?
[09:03] <darksider415> fearful: That should work.
[09:04] <fearful> ok, cuz after i installed the repositorie you told me it said there was an error updating or soemthing
[09:04] <fearful> darksider415 still the same problem..
[09:05] <fearful> The APT database could not be opened.
[09:06] <KaoticEvil> anyone know its its possible to run ndiswrapper on 64-bit *buntu? (with 32-bit drivers)
[09:06] <fearful> darksider?
[09:06] <fdoving> KaoticEvil: not possible, iirc.
[09:06] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | fearful
[09:06] <ubotu> fearful: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> fdoving: that sucks :(
[09:07] <hellcattra1> fdoving: ive not yet created any documents in kubunty yet
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> ive got this shiny new 64-bit chip lol
[09:07] <arrenlex> KaoticEvil: You won't notice any performance difference from 64-bit for desktop use. Only difference is in the compatibility problems. Highly advise you to use a 32-bit distro.
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> arrenlex: i already am... im running 32-bit kubuntu edgy
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> arrenlex: i was just wanting to get full use of my 64 bit system
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> at least better use than my 64-bit vista will give me
[09:09] <fearful> nope that didn't help either:(
[09:10] <fearful> i still can't open the adept The APT database could not be opened!
[09:11] <fearful> can any one help
[09:12] <fearful> I can't open adept, something about the APT Database any one help?
[09:14] <malik_> what is the best media player?..........VLC/Mplayer/Kmplayer/Kaffeine?
[09:14] <fdoving> codeine
[09:14] <radius> *cough* vlc
[09:14] <radius> ;p
[09:15] <Vincent_k> hrrmz mplayer hrmz eh
[09:15] <radius> guess everyone has their preference
[09:16] <arrenlex> mplayer
[09:17] <malik_> never hear abt codeine........radius: that means vlc no good?.... im using kubuntu edgy 3.5.5
[09:18] <lerneaen_hydra> random enduser question: I can't seem to find a config for getting the screen to power down automatically after X minutes, and idea of where that type of setting is?
[09:19] <Mena_> can i make kubuntu to use the iso character whicn xp is using make xp
[09:19] <Mena_> or make xp to use
[09:20] <malik_> lerneaen_hydra system settinsg then monitor n display settings then power tab n set ur time limit there
[09:20] <malik_> lerneaen_hydra: system settinsg then monitor n display settings then power tab n set ur time limit there
[09:22] <lerneaen_hydra> malik_; err, my screen control module seems to be dead for some reason, is there some file somewhere I could modify instead?
[09:23] <malik_> lerneaen_hydra: wudnt know abt that but u have to enable administraor mode to bring alive those screen controls
[09:24] <X704> Hi
[09:24] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah, I have root cabability
[09:24] <X704> I am trying to install Kubuntu right now, I'm on the live CD...
[09:25] <X704> I want to know why this one partition is hidden (22gigs worth)
[09:25] <malik_> lerneaen_hydra: did u click on admin. mode tab in the bottom of the power tab page?
[09:25] <malik_> if u have then i wudnt have clue whats goin on sorry
[09:26] <lerneaen_hydra> it's not that the module is greyed out, it's that the module can't be loaded at all (complains about a broken installation of bad 3rd party apps), and I haven't touched my install for quite some time now
[09:26] <lerneaen_hydra> s/of/or
[09:26] <X704> this may or me not be revelent, but it has the same lable (hda1) as the windows partition
[09:27] <malik_> sorry cudnt be any help.
[09:27] <malik_> im a newbie myslef
[09:27] <malik_> myself*
[09:27] <lerneaen_hydra> ah, I see
[09:27] <lerneaen_hydra> thanks anyway :)
[09:30] <X704> anybody have any ideas?
[09:30] <TFS_Mac> Hello
[09:31] <X704> hi
[09:31] <X704> I would like to know why the last 22 gig partition is hidden
[09:31] <X704> ...
[09:32] <X704> the HD has 5 partitions...
[09:32] <rolnyzx> does anybody know how to improve the looking of fonts in GTK1 apps like audacity? They just look ugly and big
[09:32] <TFS_Mac> (X704 - i hope you don't ask me - I'm no Kubuntu Expert at all. I have a problem myself. Sorry.)
[09:33] <Master_Kale> its possible to upgrade from Kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10, right?
[09:33] <X704> hmm
[09:33] <rolnyzx> !fibts
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fibts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <X704> does anybody know much about partitions?
[09:33] <rolnyzx> !fonts
[09:33] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[09:33] <malik_> thanx guys vlc fixed my audio/video problem........mplayer wudnt play that file n Kaffeine was playing with jerky audio but vlc is playin it jusssssssssssssssssst fine
[09:34] <rolnyzx> !Mplayer
[09:34] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[09:34] <X704> anybody?
[09:34] <TFS_Mac> OK. Hope I don't disturb anyone, but I have a Problem booting Kubuntu 6.10 with a Dual-Monitor Setup
[09:34] <X704> heh
[09:34] <oem_> how do i open a .tgz file?
[09:35] <j_> Is it gunzip?
[09:35] <rolnyzx> oem_, tar xvf <filename of the file>
[09:35] <rolnyzx> you want to unzip
[09:36] <TFS_Mac> When the GUI starts, some absurd settings for Refresh-Rate get set - My display shows: "Out of range -> 180 Hz / 81 kHz"
[09:36] <TFS_Mac> that seems a bit off ;)
[09:36] <TFS_Mac> It's a Standard-LCD that supports Max. 1024x768 75 Hz
[09:37] <TFS_Mac> My Graphics-Card listens to the Name "Geforce 6600 GT"
[09:38] <rolnyzx> !gsfonts
[09:38] <ubotu> gsfonts: Fonts for the Ghostscript interpreter(s). In component main, is optional. Version 8.14+v8.11+urw-0.2 (edgy), package size 3632 kB, installed size 5108 kB
[09:38] <rolnyzx> !gsfonts-X11
[09:38] <ubotu> gsfonts-x11: Make Ghostscript fonts available to X11. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20build1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[09:38] <X704> anybody have experience with partitions?
[09:39] <compilerwriter> I have limeted experience with them x704
[09:39] <X704> ok
[09:39] <coreymon77> oaky
[09:39] <coreymon77> major problems
[09:39] <coreymon77> i try to boot my computer
[09:39] <compilerwriter> x704 just ask your question and we will all do our best to help.
[09:39] <coreymon77> and it ives me something about it being in busyshell
[09:40] <coreymon77> and an error message thats something like
[09:40] <coreymon77>  /bin/sh filed: cannot run tty
[09:40] <compilerwriter> I need to know how to find out which packages adept downloaded for me before it pooped out and then how to get it to install them.
[09:40] <coreymon77> whats that about
[09:40] <_6StringKng_> could someone help me, I'm a little confused as how to mount a windows partition in linux, lmao
[09:41] <X704> I have one partition for windows (fat32) and 3 (22gigs) for different Linux installs and one swap partition, why can't I format the last 22gig partition? it says that is is hidden.
[09:41] <rolnyzx> !mount > _6StringKng_
[09:41] <dsmith> how is it that one version of nvidia drivers will show smaller then the other version, even when they are supposed to be of the same screen resolution
[09:41] <_6StringKng_> !mount
[09:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:41] <_6StringKng_> ?
[09:41] <coreymon77> guys
[09:42] <coreymon77> help m,e
[09:42] <coreymon77> i try to boot my computer
[09:42] <compilerwriter> Jucato Lynoure are you two demi-gods present?
[09:42] <coreymon77> and it gives me a black screen and something about it being in busyshell
[09:42] <coreymon77> and then i get an error message thats something like
[09:42] <coreymon77>  /bin/sh failed: cannot run tty
[09:42] <compilerwriter> I honestly have no clue coreymon77 but if there is someone lurking who can you will get an answer.
[09:42] <rolnyzx> _6StringKng_, is readonly ok, or you want it rw
[09:43] <Skrot> Are you trying to boot the install cd, coreymon77?
[09:43] <coreymon77> okay
[09:43] <coreymon77> Skrot: im on a livecd right now
[09:43] <Skrot> I got the samme message when I tried to install Kubuntu Edgy
[09:43] <coreymon77> Skrot: but that was when i was booting normally
[09:43] <Skrot> ah
[09:43] <Skrot> Dunno about that
[09:43] <coreymon77> okay
[09:44] <coreymon77> i think i may have to reinstall
[09:44] <coreymon77> so next question
[09:44] <coreymon77> there is something particular that i want to save that on my linux drive
[09:44] <rolnyzx> does anybody here have weird looking fonts in GNOME applications like audacity?
[09:44] <pingveno> mine just looks weird
[09:44] <compilerwriter> Anyone know how to find out which stuf adept had gotten downloaded before it crapped out on me?  Then how do I get them to install.
[09:44] <coreymon77> ill try not to format my home direcotry
[09:44] <pingveno> gtk1.2, yuk
[09:44] <coreymon77> but just to be safe
[09:45] <pingveno> I'm having some trouble getting electric sheep as a screen saver to work in full screen.
[09:45] <coreymon77> how can i access my linux files from a livecd so that i can copy some of it to a cdr
[09:45] <compilerwriter> coreymon77 I HIGHLY cautuion you to back that directory up before you do a reinstall.
[09:45] <pingveno> It just is a small window
[09:45] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: how do i do that from a livecd
[09:45] <compilerwriter> Can you mount the hard disk?
[09:45] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: and im not sure which partition my home directory is
[09:45] <pingveno> It's installed through adept and I found a .desktop file that turns it into a kde screen saver
[09:46] <coreymon77> i have 3 partitions on my disk
[09:46] <X704> bah, ubuntu might be a better place to ask
[09:46] <pingveno> The same thing happens with [pingveno@pingveno-laptop] $ electricsheep
[09:46] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: hdb1, which is the /boot partition
[09:46] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: and then there is hdb2 and hdb5
[09:46] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: i dont knoow which one is my home
[09:46] <compilerwriter> hdb5 is probably a swap
[09:47] <compilerwriter> just mount them all if you can and look.
[09:47] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: so mount hdb2 and hdb5 right?
[09:48] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: hdb1 is the /boot partition
[09:48] <compilerwriter> If you can get them mounted and see what is on them once they are mounted.
[09:49] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: but wait, isnt your home directory on a seperate partition than the rest of my hd
[09:49] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: how do i mount again?
[09:50] <compilerwriter> coreymon77 I am not really sure about all of that.  I am just trying to sort of feel our way through this thing.  I freely admit that I am no exper.
[09:50] <compilerwriter> !mount | coreymon77
[09:50] <ubotu> coreymon77: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:50] <coreymon77> !diskmounter
[09:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:50] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: this is from a livecd
[09:51] <coreymon77> compilerwriter: how can i do it from a live cd
[09:53] <eric> thats a nice little script ubotu
[09:54] <compilerwriter> !fstab
[09:54] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:54] <_6StringKng_> well thanks for all the help, would of had it done sooner but didnt bother reading a tutorial all the way through, blame the adhd I guess, got my Vista partition mounted, listening to music right now
[09:54] <compilerwriter> !partitions
[09:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:55] <compilerwriter> !diskmounter
[09:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:56] <coreymon77> anyone know how to mount my linux partitions while running off of a livecd
[09:56] <coreymon77> ?
[09:57] <rolnyzx> Has anybody here successfully installed and set-up msttcorefonts?
[09:57] <Skrot> yeah
[09:57] <rolnyzx> Skrot, are you answering to me?
[09:58] <Skrot> yupp
[09:58] <rolnyzx> what about GNOME applications? you don't have anyproblem with those?
[09:58] <Skrot> I don't use any GNOME-apps
[09:58] <Skrot> Well, I've got firefox, but it's onlye GTK-dependent afaik
[09:59] <rolnyzx> I dont have problems with Firefox, but with some other Gnome stuff I do
[09:59] <rolnyzx> for example, OpenOffice
[09:59] <oem_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8454/
[09:59] <rolnyzx> or Audacity
[09:59] <rolnyzx> everything looks weird
[09:59] <Skrot> Didn't think OpenOffice was dependant on gnome
[09:59] <Skrot> And it works fine here :>
[09:59] <weswh-work> i am a bit confused, the website says that Fiesty Herd 4 is the latest milestone release image, but there is a Feisty 5 image avail as well. It's just not at the "milestone" point yet?
[10:00] <Skrot> Maybe the list isn't updated
[10:00] <eric> whats supposed to be different in feisty?
[10:00] <finch> hello
[10:00] <Skrot> Newer kernel, newer Xorg (7.2), easier codec installation, etc
[10:00] <rolnyzx> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=408217464&size=o
[10:01] <rolnyzx> I meant GTK, yes
[10:01] <rolnyzx> look at that screen shot, you will see the difference
[10:01] <coreymon77> anyone know how to mount my linux partitions while on an edgy livecd
[10:01] <Skrot> Does not look like that here
[10:01] <coreymon77> ?
[10:01] <eric> k
[10:01] <Skrot> coreymon77: mkdir /mnt/temp;mount /dev/<your partition> /mnt/temp ?
[10:01] <X704> is this where I submit a grammer/spelling error for qtparted?
[10:02] <weswh-work> so, would one probably have better luck with Feisty 4 or 5 cd at the moment?
[10:02] <Skrot> Proably not, X704
[10:02] <Skrot> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/index.en.html
[10:02] <coreymon77> Skrot: what if i want to moutn a few of them
[10:02] <rolnyzx> Skrot, can you tell me what script, tutorial or whatever you used to make fonts look fine?
[10:02] <Skrot> coreymon77: mkdir /mnt/temp2 and mount /dev/<your other partition> /mnt/temp2
[10:03] <Skrot> rolnyzx: I just did sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts and set kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> GTK Styles and Fonts -> (*) Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications
[10:03] <rolnyzx> And ooo looked fine?
[10:04] <Skrot> Atleast oowriter
[10:04] <rolnyzx> That's basically what I did
[10:04] <X704> ok :)
[10:05] <Skrot> rolnyzx: http://folk.ntnu.no/romnes/oowriter.png seems okay?
[10:06] <rolnyzx> It looks much better than mine, but I still see a problem with antialiases there...
[10:07] <Skrot> hum, I haden't noticed. Where? In the writer it self, or in the menu's/titlebar?
[10:07] <rolnyzx> or not.. I dont know
[10:07] <rolnyzx> In the menu bar
[10:08] <rolnyzx> The writer itself looks good
[10:08] <michimanon> salam
[10:08] <Skrot> okay
[10:13] <oem_> is there an easier program to use to open executable files other than ark
[10:14] <rolnyzx> oem_, you must mean compressed files
[10:14] <rolnyzx> instead of executable
[10:14] <oem_> yes
[10:14] <oem_> i am getting very frustrated
[10:14] <rolnyzx> well, IMO command line is better
[10:14] <rolnyzx> !tar
[10:14] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:14] <fdoving> oem_: you might like them to open directly in konqueror instead?
[10:15] <oem_> yes
[10:15] <oem_> instead of having to always use the command line
[10:15] <carutsu> *hello*
[10:15] <fdoving> oem_: open a konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole 'sudo rm -r /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/'
[10:16] <eric> are there skins for Konversation?
[10:18] <oem_> oem@ubuntu:~$
[10:18] <oem_> that is what it gave me
[10:19] <compilerwriter> Adept crashed on me.  How do i figure out what it had already downloaded and what it hadn't?
[10:20] <fdoving> compilerwriter: you don't need to, it'll pickup where it stopped.
[10:20] <j_> How do I direct comments to people?
[10:20] <carutsu> can anybody remember me where do i have to download the codecs for mp3... mpg, and so
[10:20] <fdoving> compilerwriter: but the files are saved in the cache at /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:20] <compilerwriter> thanks fdoving
[10:20] <fdoving> !codecs | carutsu
[10:20] <fdoving> ouch.. ubotu is out.
[10:20] <carutsu> xD
[10:20] <fdoving> carutsu: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:21] <carutsu> thank you
[10:23] <michimanon> hello everybody, i would like to know please how i can install a software (gaim or any kind of software please)
[10:23] <rolnyzx> Skrot, I got it to look better, specially the writer part, the menu is antialiased but looks kind of odd http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=409123528&size=o
[10:24] <pingveno> I'm trying to get electric sheep set up, but all I get is a half sized window.
[10:24] <pingveno> I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2137256
[10:24] <rolnyzx> my screenshot is the one on top, yours is the one on the bottom
[10:25] <fdoving> michimanon: hi, you can read all about it at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware - there is a kubuntu section.
[10:25] <michimanon> thanks fdoving
[10:28] <pingveno> I also tried compiling from source, but I'm getting an error about x11_frame_t not having the member xvimage
[10:30] <lontra> what's a plasma metabar?
[10:36] <sgentry6> does the kubuntu dvd install come with a compiler?
[10:36] <fabio> boa noite
[10:36] <MasterRa13> hello!
[10:37] <fabio> hello
[10:37] <Dr_willis> sgentry6,  its on the dvd.. but not installed by default
[10:37] <Dr_willis> the dvd has a lot of packages onit not installed by default
[10:37] <fabio> good night
[10:38] <sgentry6> hopefully 6.10 will allow me to run the console install, 6.06 didn't like my graphics card :(
[10:39] <Dr_willis> the alternative isntall cd - shouldent care.
[10:42] <andy> dfi lanparty bios
[10:42] <andy> Hi, I'm running the live cd on a hard drive without an OS on it. How can I check out the contents of the hard drive?
[10:42] <Master_Kale> quick question, how can I tell what version of Kubuntu I have installed. I want to see if I have 32-bit or 64-bit edition installed
[10:44] <rolnyzx> still, there are GTK applications that don't work well with my font setup. Like Audacity, does anybody have audacity with normal size msttcorefonts? Mine looks really bad look this screenshot http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=409140582&size=o
[10:45] <rolnyzx> on the back, there is a GTK application with fonts working perfectly, and on the front a GTK1 application, it is audacity, and it looks so bad that it is annoying
[10:46] <rolnyzx> does anybody have this problem. or experienced this problem before?
[10:47] <pingveno> I think it's quite possible that Audacity with GTK1 just really looks bad :-P
[10:47] <rolnyzx> hahaha, yep, but there must be some way to solve this mess...
[10:47] <pingveno> yeah, true
[10:48] <pingveno> I wonder why it hasn't been switched to GTK2.
[10:48] <sgentry6> 6.10 doesn't like the card either Dr_willis
[10:48] <rolnyzx> me neither
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: lsb_release -a
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> andy:  mount the hard drive
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: lsb_release -a
[10:51] <Master_Kale> bonbonthejon, I can't see if I'm using 64-bit with that :(
[10:51] <bonbonthejon> sorry if i'm repeating, i got disconnected
[10:51] <pingveno> Could there be a problem involving wxWidgets?
[10:51] <pingveno> I think that's what Audacity is built on top of
[10:51] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: if you havent changed sources.list, it should say
[10:52] <Master_Kale> I JUST installed Kubuntu right now, and I'm kind of new to the whole experience
[10:52] <Cugel> masterkale: welcome!
[10:52] <Master_Kale> thanks :P
[10:52] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: its ok, you found the right place
[10:52] <Master_Kale> I'm going to Virtualize Windows because of the nature of some of my work
[10:52] <Cugel> I got my printer to work today -- a Canon printer. I'm actually proud.
[10:52] <Master_Kale> but my laptop really isn't a gaming machine, so speed isn't an issue
[10:53] <Cugel> No need for excuses, most of us have to run Windows somewhere -- at work for example.
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: open konsole, run "sudo less /etc/apt/sources.list", it should say x86 or 64
[10:53] <PF-Away> Master_Kale: unama -a
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> PF-Away: didnt think of that
[10:54] <PF-Away> or rather uname -m
[10:54] <bonbonthejon> andy: you still around
[10:54] <Master_Kale> lol, it says x86_64
[10:54] <Master_Kale> uname -m gives me that :P
[10:54] <bonbonthejon> Master_Kale: so its 64 bit
[10:54] <Master_Kale> I'm going to assume that means its 64-bit
[10:54] <Cugel> Yes.
[10:55] <Cugel> I get i686
[10:56] <Master_Kale> has anyone been successful at running Windows apps in "Coherence" mode?
[10:56] <Master_Kale> I read an article about it on Digg.com, and it sounded pretty cool
[10:57] <PF-Away> coherence?
[10:57] <PF-Away> as in Coherent, the OS
[10:57] <PF-Away> ?
[10:58] <Cugel> digg.com?  (okay, trolling)
[10:58] <coreymon77> gah
[10:58] <coreymon77> how do i mount my drives
[10:58] <Cugel> coreymon: man mount
[10:58] <PF-Away> coreymon77: sacrifice goats
[10:58] <coreymon77> what does it mean by mount: can't get address for /dev/hdb2
[10:58] <PF-Away> alt+f2, type in "man:/mount"
[10:58] <coreymon77> what is the "remote_host" for my drive
[10:58] <pingveno> Personally, I prefer satanic rituals for getting hardware/software to work
[10:59] <PF-Away> coreymon77: "more /etc/fstab"
[10:59] <PF-Away> !paste | coreymon77
[10:59] <ubotu> coreymon77: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:59] <Cugel> masterkale: you mean parallels?
[10:59] <compilerwriter> poor coreymon is having a hell of a time.
[10:59] <PF-Away> pingveno: usually, i just drive out the daemons with garlic, when nothing seems to work
[10:59] <pingveno> Oh, yeah, I tried that too
[10:59] <coreymon77> PF-Away: im running a livecd
[10:59] <compilerwriter> I tried to help but wasn't much use.  You guys help him please.
[10:59] <coreymon77> PF-Away: my system is messed
[10:59] <Cugel> coreymon: you're not in the right channel, I think. Maybe try #ubuntu or #linuxd
[10:59] <pingveno> But I couldn't find enough garlic
[11:00] <PF-Away> coreymon77: Ubuntu livecd?
[11:00] <coreymon77> PF-Away: no, ku
[11:00] <coreymon77> PF-Away: im running a kubuntu livecd and i want to back up my home directory before i reinstall
[11:00] <PF-Away> coreymon77: ok, please paste the output of "dmesg" to a pastebin
[11:01] <PF-Away> !paste
[11:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:03] <coreymon77> PF-Away: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8461/
[11:04] <coreymon77> Cugel: how am i in the wrong channel
[11:04] <PF-Away> coreymon77: your disk is b0rked
[11:04] <coreymon77> Cugel: cant you see im running conv
[11:04] <coreymon77> PF-Away: you mean the home direcotyr?/
[11:04] <PF-Away> coreymon77: the whole partition, it seems
[11:05] <coreymon77> PF-Away: no way to get it back?
[11:05] <PF-Away> I doubt the KUbuntu livecd has everything you need for fixing it
[11:05] <PF-Away> there's hope, as long as it isn't physically damaged
[11:05] <PF-Away> ;)
[11:05] <coreymon77> PF-Away: how can i fix it
[11:05] <coreymon77> i can mount the /boot partition, which in on the same drive
[11:05] <PF-Away> there's some tools that can help you
[11:05] <coreymon77> PF-Away: so i doubt its physically damaged
[11:05] <PF-Away> then it's probably only that partition
[11:06] <PF-Away> seems like a superblock is damaged
[11:06] <coreymon77> PF-Away: how do i fix it
[11:06] <coreymon77> PF-Away: a what?
[11:06] <PF-Away> a superblock, which contains important info on the partition
[11:07] <coreymon77> okay
[11:07] <habilida>  Hi.. I have a problem with a sweex usb wireless adaptor.. the chipset is syntek chip.. the kwifimanager detect all the wireless I have close home and mine, but I cant connect to mine, I put the pass and everything correctly as I'm connected on another laptop on the same way...anybody knows why is not connecting? Thx
[11:07] <coreymon77> all i want to do is to be able to get a few files off on it onto a cd
[11:07] <coreymon77> then i will whipe it and reinstall
[11:07] <coreymon77> PF-Away: so how do i do this
[11:08] <PF-Away> i'm googling, please hold on;)
[11:09] <coreymon77> PF-Away: if it helps, i also have windows on this computer (on a sepreate drive)
[11:09] <PF-Away> there's backup superblocks
[11:09] <coreymon77> i can boot into that
[11:09] <PF-Away> i doubt windows can do any good;)
[11:09] <coreymon77> or use some space on that drive
[11:09] <coreymon77> PF-Away: i have plenty of space on the second driv
[11:09] <coreymon77> e
[11:09] <coreymon77> PF-Away: if that helps
[11:09] <apallo> hello
[11:09] <carutsu> no
[11:09] <beo> hi, i just installed kubuntu and have a nvdia card, is there a link for a quick install?
[11:09] <carutsu> wubdows might help
[11:09] <carutsu> windows i mean
[11:10] <carutsu> install ext3 for windows
[11:10] <coreymon77> ill do anything
[11:10] <carutsu> then back up
[11:10] <apallo> !nvidia | beo
[11:10] <ubotu> beo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:10] <PF-Away> coreymon77: please run "dumpe2fs /dev/hdb2 | grep Backup"
[11:10] <carutsu> that might help too...
[11:10] <coreymon77> PF-Away: make sure we dont delete anything yet
[11:10] <PF-Away> coreymon77: that command just finds a backup superblock
[11:11] <beo> thanks
[11:11] <coreymon77> PF-Away: did you also see the hdb5 partition
[11:11] <PF-Away> coreymon77: since the main superblock seems to be damaged
[11:11] <coreymon77> PF-Away: is that anything?
[11:11] <arif> hello..can anyone help me regarding kubuntu pls ?
[11:11] <carutsu> !power manager
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <Cugel> arif: ask, dude.
[11:11] <beo> !nvidia | beo
[11:11] <arif> i downloaded kubuntu 6.10 burned the image, but when I press start or install kubuntu
[11:12] <arif> a dialog box appears saying "Error cant boot from CD"
[11:12] <arif> i run my pc on an Inter Celeron processor
[11:15] <arif> is it just a bad burn or something else
[11:15] <pauljw> did you verify the md5sum of the iso arif ?
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> md5 name.iso in the command line
[11:16] <arif> yes
[11:18] <pauljw> then I would try a new burn, no faster than 4x and verify that too.
[11:18] <Cugel> pauljw: yes, I recommend that as well -- I had to do that once, too.
[11:19] <sstchur_> How would I tell KNetworkManager to use ndiswrapper instead of madwifi?
[11:19] <pauljw> :)
[11:19] <arif> i was recomended a new burn too, seems that's the only problem..
[11:19] <pauljw> it's common
[11:19] <arif> also another question if it's possible
[11:20] <arif> excuse my ignorance but this is the first time i want to use kubuntu as I have always used windows
[11:20] <geert_> Hoe kom ik uit dit programma en log uit en ga helemaal uit dit programma het fock me op daar het helemaal at random werkt!
[11:21] <Fogge> The scary thing is that i understood half of that, and not because i speek dutch
[11:22] <arif> i have an ati radeon 7500 video card..will kubuntu find the drivers automatically, or I have to download manually (if so, where do I find them)
[11:24] <sidnelson> i try to install a module perl but i have this erro : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lrrd". i dont know what package is missing
[11:28] <Flosoft> hey
[11:29] <Flosoft> what repos do I need to use for feisty?
[11:29] <Flosoft> I want to upgrade my edgy
[11:30] <Dasnipa`> Flosoft, well unless you plan on testing/debugging i wouldnt recommend feisty as its still a month from release
[11:31] <geert_> So i have to speak englisch yes mister foggy
[11:31] <Flosoft> well ... I usually upgrade to the new distro one month before the release
[11:31] <Flosoft> to help debug it :)
[11:31] <Dasnipa`> well that is excellent
[11:31] <Flosoft> and to check out new stuff :D
[11:32] <Flosoft> so ... with what do I need to replace edgy? with herd or feisty?
[11:32] <Dasnipa`> im not sure... i would imagine feisty though dont quote me on that
[11:32] <Dasnipa`> Flosoft, it is likely you could ping the server and see
[11:33] <intelikey> what is automatically setting the hwclock ?
[11:33] <snake_> hi all
[11:33] <Flosoft> Dasnipa`: thanks about the tip ... didn't think of that :D
[11:33] <snake_> what can i use to edit .fla files in kubuntu
[11:33] <snake_> ??
[11:34] <Flosoft> it's feisty
[11:34] <intelikey> anyone know what might be adjusting the hwclock  and writing to /etc/adjtime  ?
[11:35] <sstchur_> What would the error "modprobe config already contains alias directive" mean when running ndiswrapper -m ?
[11:38] <coreymon77> PF-Away: im back
[11:38] <PF-Away> i see that;)
[11:38] <Adek05> Is there someone from poland? :D
[11:38] <PF-Away> nice
[11:38] <PF-Away> !pl
[11:38] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:39] <toulouse> hey guys, im trying to blank a cd with k3b, but it doesnt want to do it
[11:39] <Adek05> Ale Adam dzisiaj da popis :D
[11:39] <toulouse> it says it fails
[11:39] <Adek05> what fails?
[11:40] <toulouse> blanking the cd
[11:40] <intelikey> so no one has a clue what might be fiddling with my clock ?      i rm's /etc/init.d/hwclock* so i know it's not those...     thoughts ?
[11:40] <crackhead> when i am on firefox, and i use the scroll wheel on the mouse to scroll down a page, each scroll movement creates a very visible, slow refresh down of the page. does anyone know why?
[11:40] <rolnyzx> intelikey, what do you want to do exactly?
[11:41] <intelikey> rolnyzx stop the system from monkeying with the hwclock
[11:41] <toulouse> anyone know how to force a cd to blank? i cant get it to work with k3b
[11:42] <rolnyzx> intelikey, I cant help you
[11:42] <intelikey> ok.
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: dell?
[11:42] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago no.
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, there is a bug that ubuntu messed Dell HW clocks
[11:43] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Sometimes blowing the dust out and re-seating the cards and memory modules will do a lot for a computer.
[11:43] <crackhead> admiral_chicago: know anything about my question?
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> what is it?
[11:43] <crackhead> when i am on firefox, and i use the scroll wheel on the mouse to scroll down a page, each scroll movement creates a very visible, slow refresh down of the page. does anyone know why?
[11:44] <jhutchins> sstchur_: Still around?  Probably means you have something defined twice in your configuration.
[11:44] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, does this happen with a new profile?
[11:44] <jhutchins> crackhead: What card and what drivers?
[11:44] <intelikey> yeah i don't think it's the same thing though, here it's just adjusting the hwclock and writing to /etc/adjtime to compensate for the adjustment... which is like setting your wrist watch by your wall clock and setting your wall clock by your wrist watch...
[11:44] <Admiral_Chicago> try it in firefox --safe-mode
[11:44] <sstchur_> jhutchins: ok... well, i have madwifi installed, but having problems with it, so now trying ndiswrapper.  Are they fighting or something?
[11:45] <arif> i have an ati radeon 7500 video card..will kubuntu find the drivers automatically, or I have to download manually (if so, where do I find them)
[11:45] <jhutchins> sstchur_: Probably both trying to define the card and load a module for it.  You should probably remove madwifi before you try ndiswrapper.
[11:45] <crackhead> i have nvida geforce 6150. i dont have the nvidia drivers right now installed, i dont think.
[11:45] <crackhead> how can i check which drivers are being used at the moment?
[11:46] <Adek05> arif in terminal write: xorg-driver-flgrx
[11:46] <Adek05> oh
[11:46] <xBill> crackhead: look in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:46] <Adek05> sudo apt-get install xord-driver-flgrx
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> crackhead: run firefok -safe-mode in a konsole
[11:46] <sstchur_> jhutchins: ok... lemme ask this:  Is there any chance ndiswrapper would work better for me than madwifi? (I assumed madwifi would be preferred)
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> run with no addons, what happens
[11:47] <crackhead> run safemode firefox everytime??
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i want to know if its an extension / theme issue
[11:47] <jhutchins> sstchur_: Depends on the chipset.
[11:47] <xBill> Admiral_chicago: i hab the same problem, it was because of the vesa-driver instead of the correct one
[11:48] <sstchur_> jhutchins: Madwifi seems to work... except that it kicks out a lot on me, and I can't reconnect without resetting my router... would that be a driver issue?
[11:48] <jhutchins> sstchur_: Could be an issue with your router.  Mine appears to be failing, and I thought it was the card at first.
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> i run an Nvidia card with the nv driver, I have not had a problem with it ever.
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> however, on Feisty, X was trying to chose the vesa driver and didn't recognize the card, that may be the issue
[11:49] <sstchur_> jhutchins: yeah,... I was considering trying to see if there was an update for my router firmware.  The thing is, under Windows this card/router combo seemed to work fine
[11:49] <Cugel> admiral: maybe get the 'real' nvidia drivers?
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't see how X could have launched with the wrong driver though
[11:49] <sstchur_> jhutchins: It's an atheros chipset by the way
[11:50] <crackhead> what's the nv driver?
[11:50] <crackhead> is that nvidia or the generic ones included with kubuntu?
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> imho, 'real' is the open source one, as someone that does Mozilla dev in Ubuntu, i'll tell this is probably not a driver issu
[11:50] <xBill> crackhead: generic
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> neutraloss: nv == open source driver
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> nvidia == proprietary blob
[11:50] <crackhead> lol
[11:51] <jhutchins> sstchur_: When we had a Mac laptop here, it would work fine with the other laptop running Windows, but if I connected with Linux it would kick the Mac off.
[11:51] <jhutchins> Yes, for true atheros madwifi is preferred. but there appear to be some "almost atheros" devices out there; among them the Netgear WG111T.
[11:52] <intelikey> admiral_chicago  " ntpdate pool.ntp.org > /dev/null 2>&1 && hwclock --systohc > /dev/null 2>&1 "   that runs when i dial-up   so in theory the clock should always be in sync.  problem is that just a few minutes ago it was 6 hours off.  and the /etc/adjtime was set for a six hour three second adjustment   that seems to be cumulative, because; i blanked /etc/adjtime and sync'd the clock and it is now correct.   got pointers ?
[11:52] <sstchur_> jhutchins: Ah.  I have a Netgear WGsomethingOrOther router..... could that be it?
[11:52] <crackhead> admiral_chicago: firefox safe-mode had the same appearance.
[11:52] <sstchur_> jhutchins: My PCI wireless card is a DLink
[11:52] <crackhead> even this konversation window does the same thing when scrolling up or down.
[11:53] <jhutchins> sstchur_: I know far less than the wireless web pages about cards I do not own.
[11:53] <jhutchins> crackhead: Try turning "smooth scrolling" on (or off if it is on).
[11:53] <crackhead> where is that located?
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> crackhead: hmm, join me in #ubuntu-mozillateam please
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: hmm, what does your clock adjustment in kicker do?
[11:54] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago idk i don't even run kde
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: hahah, okay.
[11:55] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago this is at the console level
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i know there is a command that does a sync...
[11:55] <intelikey> ntpdate pool.ntp.org &&  hwclock --systohc
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> the error is probably with hwclock, give me a sec
[11:58] <intelikey> and as i said that command runs when ever i dial up.  so it should always be in sync.    being synced every day some times two/three times a day...   so there should never be even one seconds drift. let alone 21603
[11:58] <jhutchins> intelikey: WHat timezone are you in?
[11:58] <intelikey> utc-6
[11:59] <intelikey> and i know that could explain 21600 seconds.  but after clearing /etc/adjtime  it's back to normal.
[12:00] <intelikey> and nothing about timezones should call for a three second change
[12:03] <intelikey> btw, hwclock is set to utc  so timezone should not affect it at all.
[12:04] <X704> hey everybody :)
[12:04] <shegde> Hello
[12:04] <eagles0513875> hey all
[12:04] <shegde> Need help on kubuntu wireless setup
[12:05] <X704> I had the wireless internet work with the live 6.10 Kubuntu CD...
[12:05] <X704> how did you guess?
[12:05] <X704> anyway now, after the install it does not work
[12:05] <shegde> i could get the wireless working using ndiswrapper
[12:05] <eagles0513875> i have to do that too
[12:05] <xBill> x704: encryption ?
[12:05] <X704> none
[12:06] <shegde> now, each time i reboot, i have to do the modprobe ndiswraper and then open the wireless assistant and connect
[12:06] <shegde> is there a way i can get this in some /etc/init.d or some..
[12:06] <eagles0513875> u want my long shegde
[12:06] <eagles0513875> log i have that i used to set mine up
[12:06] <eagles0513875> and i will have to use again to set it up
[12:07] <xBill> x704: what do ifconfig and iwconfig say ?
[12:07] <xBill> does iwconfig know the correct SSID ?
[12:08] <shegde> I dint use iwconfig
[12:08] <stifflernewb> he's talking to the other guy :P
[12:08] <xBill> shedge: knetworkmanager ?
[12:09] <shegde> this is a fresh install, i dont have knetworkmanger either
[12:09] <X704> xBill: atho and 3 others
[12:09] <X704> *ath0
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !xserver
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !x
[12:09] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:10] <xBill> x704: which one is your wireless card ?
[12:10] <X704> ...
[12:10] <X704> :p
[12:10] <stifflernewb> which company made your computer? and what brand is the router your connecting again?
[12:11] <X704> when you have a problem, and you ask a professionl about the problem, it fixex it's self
[12:11] <stifflernewb> lol
[12:11] <X704> *fixes
[12:11] <X704> almost always
[12:11] <stifflernewb> I know, I work in a tech support :P
[12:11] <xBill> lol
[12:11] <HymnToLife[] > X704, yes, but you rarely get a refund for the help you asked :p
[12:12] <stifflernewb> customers calling saying "oh... wait, its fixed", they're the ones I like the best
[12:12] <BluesKaj> stifflernewb, dunno if I'd brag about that :)
[12:12] <eagles0513875> how can i force eject my cdrom drive
[12:12] <Admiral_Chicago> lol @ BluesKaj. I was tpying that
[12:12] <stifflernewb> BluesKaj, diffrence is that I actually knows what I'm doing :P
[12:12] <X704> heh, my cousin keeps a network up for a living, and they pay him simply for his problem-fixing aurora
[12:12] <eagles0513875> i tried sudo umount -f /media/cdrom0
[12:12] <X704> some sort of story
[12:13] <X704> *same
[12:13] <X704> :)
[12:13] <stifflernewb> hahaha, one chick where I work once said "ok, you need a longer tp-cable since the one your currently using is creating a magnetic field that disrupts the router"
[12:13] <intelikey> oh my.  this system is really confused.   hwclock -u
[12:13] <intelikey> Sat Mar  3 11:12:38 2007  -0.971105 seconds
[12:13] <intelikey> but local time is correct.
[12:14] <X704> anyway, thanks for your aurora help :)
[12:14] <intelikey> that means that hwclock thinks the hwclock is set to local time.
[12:14] <gareth_> does anyone know if you can get rid of the icon text on the desktop so you just see the icons???
[12:14] <Mena> !ubuto
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <globe> can anyone tell me how to check if my swap is working?
[12:15] <eagles0513875> !ubotu
[12:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:15] <snake_> what can i use to edit .fla files in kubuntu
[12:15] <cpk1> globe: huh? you usually dont need to go into swap