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| Lutin | sabdfl: btw, could you also change my mail adress from lutin-@ubuntu.com to lutin@ubuntu.com please ? | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | Lutin: it's suggested you file a support request for such things... | 02:55 |
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| Lutin | Hobbsee: I did, and he changed my lp nick but seems to have forgotten the mail change ;) | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | Lutin: ah. not sure if they autosync. | 03:06 |
| Lutin | Hobbsee: I think they don't, given LaserJock's mail adress | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:07 |
| Lutin | heh, need some sleep. see you alter guys | 03:11 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #89360 in launchpad "Font color does not have enough contrast" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89360 | 03:41 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #89375 in launchpad "LP beta: Missing navigation links on translation page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89375 | 05:30 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #89376 in launchpad "LP beta: Opera doubles down on "Help"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89376 | 05:45 |
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| SEJeff | Can anyone help me figure out why launchpad isn't letting me file bugs against the kernel image package? Especially since I'm trying to report an oops | 07:30 |
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| BjornT | SEJeff: sure. on which page are you trying to file the bug? | 07:38 |
| SEJeff | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/i386/linux-image-2.6.20-9-generic/2.6.20-9.16 | 07:39 |
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| BjornT | SEJeff: hmm. it really should be easier to file a bug from that page, atm it's not intuitive. | 07:46 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: the thing is that the bug should be filed on the corresponding source package in ubuntu. | 07:46 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: so you have to start with following the link to the feisty source package on the bottom of the page | 07:47 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: Seriously, it doesn't make sense. A UI that is so unintuitive, a non-newb can't figure out how to file a bug is kind of stupid | 07:47 |
| SEJeff | How does the lp team expect newbies to file bugs? </launchpad-rant> | 07:47 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: from there you have to follow the link to the linux-source-2.6.20 package on the top of the page, and there you should have a "report a bug" link on the left | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | generally you wouldn't start from that page though | 07:48 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: how did you end up at that page to begin with? | 07:48 |
| SEJeff | package search for linux-image | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | generaly you'd start from launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug or the source package page | 07:49 |
| SEJeff | Actually, wouldn't a new user start at launchpad.net and then click ubuntu to file a bug against "ubuntu"? Or am I incorrect? | 07:50 |
| SEJeff | LaserJock: But thanks, I'll bookmark that | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | yes, exactly | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | that's what the url above is | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | that's what you get when you start at launchpad and click on the file a bug against ubuntu | 07:50 |
| SEJeff | LaserJock: I see it now. My workflow was: Go to lp.net, see "The Ubuntu Distro" click, search for packages, ... | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | right, but you still should have been ok | 07:52 |
| SEJeff | I skipped over the bugs link at the top left | 07:52 |
| SEJeff | Thanks | 07:52 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: i agree that it should be possible to file a bug using your workflow as well. | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | it is though, he just went too far :-) | 07:53 |
| BjornT | that's one way of looking at it :) | 07:54 |
| SEJeff | LaserJock: Is there a RFE page for launchpad? | 07:54 |
| SEJeff | Because that seems like something a normal user would do | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: it would only make sense really to have a link where he was if it was "File a bug against this version" | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: which would be cool | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | becuase filing a bug from that page would indicate you are interested in a particular version | 07:56 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: for small features like this it's easiest to file a bug at https://launchpad.net/malone/+filebug | 07:56 |
| SEJeff | I understand that apport + the kernel patches and core_pattern are all supposed to be magic, but when it doesn't work, that is a pain | 07:56 |
| SEJeff | I was really hoping that apport would catch the oops and report it, but it caught something and then killed itsself | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | how is it a pain? | 07:57 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: yeah, it could be useful to include the package version there. | 07:58 |
| SEJeff | LaserJock: Because a fairly straightforward workflow leads to an insensitive Bugs link. I almost decided to not even report the oops because of that actually | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | I don't really understand | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | you just overlooked the filebug link | 08:01 |
| SEJeff | ok. When glancing over lp.net, I missed bugs | 08:01 |
| SEJeff | Correct | 08:01 |
| SEJeff | And saw the most prominent Ubuntu Distribution on the page | 08:01 |
| SEJeff | So of course, I want to file a bug against Ubuntu, so I click it | 08:01 |
| SEJeff | But that leads to a dead end | 08:01 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: i think the thing is that SEJeff thought that he should file a bug on the specific version of the package. and it's easy to overlook the filebug link if you have your mind set on navigating to the binary package. | 08:03 |
| SEJeff | Well when you are using feisty and a previous kernel didn't break... you *should* file against a specific version | 08:03 |
| SEJeff | Or am I again wrong in thinking like this? | 08:03 |
| SEJeff | It seems logical | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | yep, we don't file against versions | 08:04 |
| SEJeff | ok, thanks | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | we file against a source package and that's pretty much it | 08:04 |
| SEJeff | Im used to bugzilla | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I'd *love* to see the ability to file against a specific version | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what would happen if the bug applied to more than one version | 08:05 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: once upon a time we tried to cover that by using something called "infestations", but we removed it since it was too complicated | 08:06 |
| SEJeff | LaserJock: I'm perplexed that it doesn't support a feature so obvious for a BTS | 08:06 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: it has been discussed quite a lot of times. and so the the outcome has been, that the version information should be put in the bug description | 08:07 |
| BjornT | we might consider adding a specific version field, though. | 08:07 |
| BjornT | s/so/so far/ | 08:08 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: Launchpad is a good idea and will probably be pretty good. I've heard decent things about the beta, but that it is really slow | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | SEJeff: it's pretty much the same for me | 08:09 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: yeah, we're currently working on trying to make it faster. | 08:09 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: Sure. Writing code is always the easy part. Debugging / Optimizing is always the hard part | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | for me LP works best when URL driven | 08:10 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: Do you develop lp? If so I have a question | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | so maybe I don't notice the speed | 08:10 |
| BjornT | yeah. and the thing is, the speed problem isn't a problem with the code, it's mostly a problem that several small files need to be fetched by the browser for each page over ssl (which means that most browser won't cache the files) | 08:11 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: yeah, i'm an lp developer. | 08:12 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: People always gripe about lp being non OSS, but no-one ever says a word (because they are too ignorant) about Redhat Network. | 08:12 |
| SEJeff | Mark's grand scheme seems to be towards Ubuntu / Canonical sustaining itsself | 08:13 |
| SEJeff | Is lp, or some restricted feature of it, your equivalent of RHN | 08:13 |
| SEJeff | As in value added features to customers such as management, inventory, etc | 08:13 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: well, we do intend to release lp as open source one day, but it will probably take a while, and it will probably be done in steps, so that we release one bit at a time. | 08:15 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: Really!? | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | seems more like seperate project rather than value added | 08:16 |
| SEJeff | lp seems like it could actually give Canonical an edge in smoe areas | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | SEJeff: yes, Mark said that from the beginning I think | 08:16 |
| SEJeff | being a "meta-bts" | 08:16 |
| SEJeff | Of course it is his choice, but why keep it closed at all then? Surely the code isn't that ugly | 08:17 |
| BjornT | SEJeff: yeah, it's even in the faq: https://launchpad.net/faq | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | part of it, IMO, is that we really don't want a bunch of Launchpads floating around | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | the idea was to pull together projects | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | so many distros and software projects use Launchpad | 08:18 |
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| SEJeff | LaserJock: That will always happen in OSS unless the project has a clear direction and encourages participation. Inkscape is a perfect example of fostering a community | 08:18 |
| SEJeff | But you guys have people like Jono working for you. He knows much more about communities than I do | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | right, but we are seeing it already, some of it might be because LP isn't OSS | 08:19 |
| BjornT | yeah, LaserJock is right. the main reason at this time is that we don't other launchpad's popping up, since it's designed so that everything should be in the same database. | 08:19 |
| SEJeff | Fair enough | 08:21 |
| SEJeff | You should poke mark into saying that directly so the free software nazis will stop complaining | 08:21 |
| SEJeff | Because that is perfectly valid | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: are there any plans on making +filebug-advanced more ... advanced? | 08:22 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: no specific plans atm, but i do agree that it should be more "advanced", otherwise it's not much different from the normal filebug page. what would you like to see on it? | 08:27 |
| BjornT | it might be that we get rid of that page eventuall, and integrate it into the normal filebug page | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: well, Version: would certainly be one that'd probably get used | 08:29 |
| SEJeff | BjornT: LaserJock Thanks for answering my questions | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | certainly ... probably | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | I need to stop redoing my sentence half way through | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | SEJeff: np | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: perhaps being able to subscribe or assignee directly from there | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: perhaps Release: but that might not be as helpful as Version: | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: mostly I'd love to see package-specific text when filing a bug. I've seen a few bugs floating around for that | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | but that'd probably be more appropriate for the simple +filebug | 08:33 |
| BjornT | yeah, the package specific text should be on the normal +filebug page. | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | oh, another one could be which binary package | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | for source package that produce quite a few binaries sometimes it's not obvious which one the user is talking about | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | but that might be confusing if you have to put in source package then binary package | 08:35 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #89392 in launchpad "+addpackage form makes no sense" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89392 | 08:36 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: yeah. we used to fields for both binary and source package, but we ended up removing the binary one to make things simpler to understand. | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | how is that handled now? if a person puts in a binary package (when binary package != source package) does it automatically find the source package? | 08:36 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: yeah. and the entered binary package gets added to the description. | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think I remember that | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | oh sure | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | ok, then scratch that suggestion | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | BjornT: what about being able to add and attachment from there? | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | *an | 08:39 |
| BjornT | LaserJock: yes, that's planned. but it will be possible to add an attachment also from the simple +filebug. | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | well, hmm | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | it would seem like you could indeed fold them together and then have an "Advanced" drop-down for a few "extras" | 08:42 |
| BjornT | yeah, i think that would be better actually. | 08:44 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #30856 in malone "would like to be able to add attachment(s) while filing the bug" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30856 | 08:51 |
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| sabdfl | Lutin: that's a different group | 09:56 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #89476 in malone "busted permissions: cannot unsubscribe ubuntu-security when private" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89476 | 04:21 |
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| lbm | any lp admins online? | 04:30 |
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| kiko | lbm, yeah? | 05:22 |
| lbm | kiko: let me pm you | 05:33 |
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| Rinchen | ping danilos | 08:40 |
| Rinchen | or Ping Kiko | 08:40 |
| Rinchen | if either of you happen to be working, I've been looking at a translate issue with a package. The reporter is working with the maintainer but the assigned to (etc) needs some loving. 82506 and 75337 | 08:43 |
| Rinchen | Not sure myself how best to set it. Thanks. | 08:43 |
| Rinchen | maintainer says it's an upstream issue. yippee | 08:44 |
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