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| ooodze | nalioth: no positive results | 12:09 |
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| nalioth | ooodze: have you asked about this in #ubuntu ? | 12:10 |
| ooodze | the same error messages i typed in pastebin before | 12:10 |
| nalioth | that's not possible. using dpkg should give you a specific error | 12:10 |
| ooodze | nalioth: nobody answered | 12:10 |
| ooodze | nalioth: could it be possible that dpkg utility is broken in some way? | 12:11 |
| ooodze | could reinstall of ubuntu-desktop help? | 12:12 |
| nalioth | i doubt it | 12:13 |
| nalioth | ubuntu-desktop doesn't have dpkg in it | 12:13 |
| ooodze | maybe it is harddisk error? | 12:14 |
| nalioth | i don't think you are issuing the correct command. | 12:14 |
| ooodze | or again - because of ubuntu-docs | 12:14 |
| ooodze | nalioth: how can i proof you about that command | 12:15 |
| ooodze | i've done exactly what you said | 12:15 |
| nalioth | ooodze: dpkg will return a specific error, not a generic one | 12:15 |
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| ooodze | but i can't copy/paste it elsewhere | 12:15 |
| nalioth | what did the error say? | 12:17 |
| ooodze | i'll do it again, nalioth | 12:17 |
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| ooodze | nalioth: the same error messages + segmentation fault (core dumped) | 12:26 |
| nalioth | ooodze: ask in #ubuntu | 12:26 |
| nalioth | there are hundreds of helpful people there | 12:26 |
| ooodze | nalioth: could you copy pastebin link and pictures of screen-photos from chan window | 12:27 |
| nalioth | can you log into kubuntu, ooodze ? | 12:28 |
| ooodze | nalioth: i do not have kubuntu-desktop | 12:29 |
| ooodze | nalioth: should i apt-get it? | 12:29 |
| nalioth | ooodze: installing it would get you kdm + kde (where you can see what is going on) | 12:29 |
| ooodze | nalioth: i am affraid, it will give the same dpkg errors | 12:30 |
| nalioth | i think you have some major problems, ooodze. please ask in #ubuntu as i am only one person, and don't have unlimited experience | 12:30 |
| ooodze | nalioth: sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop kdm kde ? | 12:31 |
| nalioth | kubuntu-desktop will bring all of it in | 12:31 |
| ooodze | okee. bye. it sounds a huge downloads. and it's already 1:30am in Latvia | 12:33 |
| ooodze | thank you for nice chattin | 12:33 |
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| slyfox | What can I use to limit access to a computer for certain users at certain times ? | 09:27 |
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| jojoman02 | slyfox: ok first thing are you on the pc that you want to set this up on? | 09:28 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: yes | 09:29 |
| slyfox | Not at the moment htough | 09:29 |
| jojoman02 | can you get on it now? | 09:29 |
| jojoman02 | or write this down | 09:30 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: yes, let me write it down | 09:30 |
| jojoman02 | to install the program type: --> sudo apt-get install timeoutd | 09:30 |
| jojoman02 | make sure to include the d | 09:31 |
| slyfox | ok | 09:31 |
| jojoman02 | that will install the program | 09:31 |
| jojoman02 | now there will be a file you need to edit called /etc/timeouts | 09:31 |
| slyfox | ok | 09:31 |
| jojoman02 | you do this by type the following: sudo gedit /etc/timeouts | 09:31 |
| slyfox | ok | 09:31 |
| jojoman02 | then a file will pop up and it has some basic instructions | 09:32 |
| jojoman02 | if you tell me the username and time you want to set it up on i can tell you what to type in | 09:32 |
| jojoman02 | make sure you don't delete any of the lines starting with # | 09:32 |
| slyfox | user name: user and say weekdays from 6am till 10pm | 09:33 |
| jojoman02 | and add the line i give you below the lines starting with # sign | 09:33 |
| jojoman02 | slyfox: so sat and sun unlimited access (meaning all day & night?) | 09:33 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: untill 1am | 09:33 |
| jojoman02 | slyfox: lemme do the first, i'm not sure how to set up the second access time | 09:34 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: let me install timeoutd on my laptop I want to see waht thsi file looks like | 09:34 |
| jojoman02 | or maybe never mind i think we can make 2 lines for same users one sec | 09:34 |
| slyfox | I see 2: timeout and timeoutd what is the difference ? | 09:34 |
| jojoman02 | ohh btw if you type man timeouts in a terminal it will give you instructions on editing the file | 09:35 |
| jojoman02 | u know about the terminal right? | 09:35 |
| slyfox | yes | 09:36 |
| jojoman02 | 6am-10pm mon-fri right? | 09:36 |
| slyfox | yes | 09:36 |
| jojoman02 | do you want to set a maximum number of minutes/hours they can log on per day | 09:37 |
| jojoman02 | like from 6-10 i want only 5 hours of computer time?? | 09:37 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: yes, say 2.5 hours ? | 09:37 |
| jojoman02 | kk | 09:37 |
| jojoman02 | it's in min so 150 min | 09:37 |
| slyfox | ok | 09:37 |
| jojoman02 | how long u want a warning before logging the user off? | 09:39 |
| jojoman02 | 10 min? | 09:39 |
| jojoman02 | Wk0600-2200:*:user:*:*:150:150:10 | 09:39 |
| jojoman02 | you put that line it | 09:39 |
| jojoman02 | change the user line of the username is diff :) | 09:40 |
| slyfox | 10min | 09:40 |
| jojoman02 | to make another line for Sa and Su you do the same except for the first thing u put | 09:40 |
| jojoman02 | SaSu0600-2200:*:user blah blah blah | 09:40 |
| slyfox | aha, got it Wk Sa Su are the days | 09:40 |
| jojoman02 | those 150:150 is how long users are allowed to login for the day | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | yeah it's all explained in --> man timeouts | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | and man timeoutd | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | man means manual | 09:41 |
| slyfox | why is it twice? 150:150 not jsut 150 ? | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | once per session | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | lets say you want only 30 min per login | 09:41 |
| jojoman02 | but 90 min per day | 09:41 |
| slyfox | ahhh | 09:41 |
| slyfox | got it | 09:41 |
| slyfox | Wonder why or how would that be used ? | 09:42 |
| slyfox | To make the user take breaks ? | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | with idle times | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | it's all in the manual | 09:42 |
| slyfox | aha | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | just takes a while to figure out | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | the time is in army time (24 hours time) | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | as u figured | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | one user can have multiple rules | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | so make another rule for sat/sun limits | 09:42 |
| jojoman02 | or any other users u need | 09:42 |
| slyfox | interesting | 09:42 |
| slyfox | I think I got the basics of it | 09:43 |
| jojoman02 | the timeoutd runs at startup and monitors the rules file every min | 09:43 |
| slyfox | I will read more in the manual | 09:43 |
| jojoman02 | to check if anyone is logged in that is not supposed to be | 09:43 |
| jojoman02 | so even if they can login within a min they will get forcefully logged out, on the min :) | 09:43 |
| slyfox | what is the difference between timeout and timeoutd ? | 09:43 |
| jojoman02 | timeout is the program that sends the shutdown command | 09:43 |
| jojoman02 | and timeoutd is the program that monitors | 09:44 |
| jojoman02 | like lets say u were running a server and wanted to kick off a certain user that you didn't make a rule for, you would use timeout to do it | 09:44 |
| jojoman02 | sort of temporarily | 09:44 |
| slyfox | so both need to be installed ? | 09:44 |
| jojoman02 | if it was a weekly/daily thing u would need a deamon | 09:44 |
| jojoman02 | yes | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | but timeoutd installs timeout | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | it's a dependancy | 09:45 |
| slyfox | Excellent., | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | cuz timeoutd sends the command to timeout automatically based on the rules file /etc/timeouts | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | :) | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | u know how to edit files right? | 09:45 |
| jojoman02 | make sure the user that you are talking about does not have ability of sudo'ing | 09:46 |
| jojoman02 | cuz then he can modify the /etc/timeouts file | 09:46 |
| jojoman02 | you do taht in system-> administration -> users | 09:47 |
| slyfox | yeah | 09:48 |
| jojoman02 | uncheck administer the system in privelages | 09:48 |
| slyfox | one otehr question | 09:48 |
| jojoman02 | kk | 09:48 |
| jojoman02 | shoot | 09:49 |
| slyfox | when some other user is lgged in and I come in and want to do some administratror commands or wahtever, can I do that? becasue when I type in sudo osmething and it asks me for the password and I enter mine, it tell me that the apssword is wrong | 09:49 |
| jojoman02 | when you are logged in as another user | 09:49 |
| slyfox | yes | 09:50 |
| slyfox | but that user is not an admin user | 09:50 |
| jojoman02 | u either need to switch users | 09:50 |
| jojoman02 | or use a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) | 09:50 |
| slyfox | like start a new session you mean | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | f1 through f7 will work | 09:51 |
| slyfox | Cool | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | f7 is the desktop | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | actually | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | it's running on vt7 | 09:51 |
| slyfox | so f1 should work | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | ctrl+alt+f1 | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | use your username and login | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | you could even run a session | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | but that is a little more complex | 09:51 |
| jojoman02 | and u can't run gui tasks in a virtual terminal | 09:52 |
| jojoman02 | but u can sudo anything | 09:52 |
| jojoman02 | or use nano to edit files | 09:52 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: sudo would be enough for now | 09:52 |
| jojoman02 | it takes some getting used to | 09:52 |
| jojoman02 | better to just tell them to wait and you switch users, login and admin what you need to then logout and log back into their accounts | 09:53 |
| slyfox | Ok, thank you very much for all you help. I will write all of this down. I have a learned today. | 09:53 |
| jojoman02 | slyfox: your welcome :) | 09:53 |
| jojoman02 | slyfox: it's not that hard once you get used to the way things work:) | 09:54 |
| jojoman02 | slyfox: in linux i mean :) | 09:54 |
| slyfox | jojoman02: oh yeah | 09:54 |
| slyfox | I start to enjoy Linux more and more every day | 09:54 |
| jojoman02 | don't forget to read man | 09:54 |
| slyfox | yes, lots of reading | 09:54 |
| slyfox | Its fun when you finally get things working. | 09:54 |
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