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[12:09] <ooodze> nalioth: no positive results
[12:10] <nalioth> ooodze: have you asked about this in #ubuntu ?
[12:10] <ooodze> the same error messages i typed in pastebin before
[12:10] <nalioth> that's not possible.  using dpkg should give you a specific error
[12:10] <ooodze> nalioth: nobody answered
[12:11] <ooodze> nalioth: could it be possible that dpkg utility is broken in some way?
[12:12] <ooodze> could reinstall of ubuntu-desktop help?
[12:13] <nalioth> i doubt it
[12:13] <nalioth> ubuntu-desktop doesn't have dpkg in it
[12:14] <ooodze> maybe it is harddisk error?
[12:14] <nalioth> i don't think you are issuing the correct command.
[12:14] <ooodze> or again - because of ubuntu-docs
[12:15] <ooodze> nalioth: how can i proof you about that command
[12:15] <ooodze> i've done exactly what you said
[12:15] <nalioth> ooodze: dpkg will return a specific error, not a generic one
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[12:15] <ooodze> but i can't copy/paste it elsewhere
[12:17] <nalioth> what did the error say?
[12:17] <ooodze> i'll do it again, nalioth
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[12:26] <ooodze> nalioth: the same error messages + segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:26] <nalioth> ooodze: ask in #ubuntu
[12:26] <nalioth> there are hundreds of helpful people there
[12:27] <ooodze> nalioth: could you copy pastebin link and pictures of screen-photos from chan window
[12:28] <nalioth> can you log into kubuntu, ooodze ?
[12:29] <ooodze> nalioth: i do not have kubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <ooodze> nalioth: should i apt-get it?
[12:29] <nalioth> ooodze: installing it would get you kdm + kde (where you can see what is going on)
[12:30] <ooodze> nalioth: i am affraid, it will give the same dpkg errors
[12:30] <nalioth> i think you have some major problems, ooodze.  please ask in #ubuntu as i am only one person, and don't have unlimited experience
[12:31] <ooodze> nalioth: sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop kdm kde ?
[12:31] <nalioth> kubuntu-desktop will bring all of it in
[12:33] <ooodze> okee. bye. it sounds a huge downloads. and it's already 1:30am in Latvia
[12:33] <ooodze> thank you for nice chattin
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[09:27] <slyfox> What can I use to limit access to a computer for certain users at certain times ?
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[09:28] <jojoman02> slyfox: ok first thing are you on the pc that you want to set this up on?
[09:29] <slyfox> jojoman02: yes
[09:29] <slyfox> Not at the moment htough
[09:29] <jojoman02> can you get on it now?
[09:30] <jojoman02> or write this down
[09:30] <slyfox> jojoman02: yes, let me write it down
[09:30] <jojoman02> to install the program type: -->               sudo apt-get install timeoutd
[09:31] <jojoman02> make sure to include the d
[09:31] <slyfox> ok
[09:31] <jojoman02> that will install the program
[09:31] <jojoman02> now there will be a file you need to edit called /etc/timeouts
[09:31] <slyfox> ok
[09:31] <jojoman02> you do this by type the following:    sudo gedit /etc/timeouts
[09:31] <slyfox> ok
[09:32] <jojoman02> then a file will pop up and it has some basic instructions
[09:32] <jojoman02> if you tell me the username and time you want to set it up on i can tell you what to type in
[09:32] <jojoman02> make sure you don't delete any of the lines starting with #
[09:33] <slyfox> user name:  user    and say weekdays from 6am till 10pm
[09:33] <jojoman02> and add the line i give you below the lines starting with # sign
[09:33] <jojoman02> slyfox: so sat and sun unlimited access (meaning all day & night?)
[09:33] <slyfox> jojoman02: untill 1am
[09:34] <jojoman02> slyfox: lemme do the first, i'm not sure how to set up the second access time
[09:34] <slyfox> jojoman02: let me install timeoutd on my laptop I want to see waht thsi file looks like
[09:34] <jojoman02> or maybe never mind i think we can make 2 lines for same users one sec
[09:34] <slyfox> I see 2: timeout and timeoutd   what is the difference ?
[09:35] <jojoman02> ohh btw if you type man timeouts in a terminal it will give you instructions on editing the file
[09:35] <jojoman02> u know about the terminal right?
[09:36] <slyfox> yes
[09:36] <jojoman02> 6am-10pm mon-fri            right?
[09:36] <slyfox> yes
[09:37] <jojoman02> do you want to set a maximum number of minutes/hours they can log on per day
[09:37] <jojoman02> like from 6-10 i want only 5 hours of computer time??
[09:37] <slyfox> jojoman02: yes, say 2.5 hours ?
[09:37] <jojoman02> kk
[09:37] <jojoman02> it's in min so 150 min
[09:37] <slyfox> ok
[09:39] <jojoman02> how long u want a warning before logging the user off?
[09:39] <jojoman02> 10 min?
[09:39] <jojoman02> Wk0600-2200:*:user:*:*:150:150:10
[09:39] <jojoman02> you put that line it
[09:40] <jojoman02> change the user line of the username is diff :)
[09:40] <slyfox> 10min
[09:40] <jojoman02> to make another line for Sa and Su you do the same except for the first thing u put
[09:40] <jojoman02> SaSu0600-2200:*:user blah blah blah
[09:40] <slyfox> aha, got it Wk Sa Su  are the days
[09:41] <jojoman02> those 150:150 is how long users are allowed to login for the day
[09:41] <jojoman02> yeah it's all explained in --> man timeouts
[09:41] <jojoman02> and man timeoutd
[09:41] <jojoman02> man means manual
[09:41] <slyfox> why is it twice?  150:150  not jsut 150 ?
[09:41] <jojoman02> once per session
[09:41] <jojoman02> lets say you want only 30 min per login
[09:41] <jojoman02> but 90 min per day
[09:41] <slyfox> ahhh
[09:41] <slyfox> got it
[09:42] <slyfox> Wonder why or how would that be used ?
[09:42] <slyfox> To make the user take breaks ?
[09:42] <jojoman02> with idle times
[09:42] <jojoman02> it's all in the manual
[09:42] <slyfox> aha
[09:42] <jojoman02> just takes a while to figure out
[09:42] <jojoman02> the time is in army time (24 hours time)
[09:42] <jojoman02> as u figured
[09:42] <jojoman02> one user can have multiple rules
[09:42] <jojoman02> so make another rule for sat/sun limits
[09:42] <jojoman02> or any other users u need
[09:42] <slyfox> interesting
[09:43] <slyfox> I think I got the basics of it
[09:43] <jojoman02> the timeoutd runs at startup and monitors the rules file every min
[09:43] <slyfox> I will read more in the manual
[09:43] <jojoman02> to check if anyone is logged in that is not supposed to be
[09:43] <jojoman02> so even if they can login within a min they will get forcefully logged out, on the min :)
[09:43] <slyfox> what is the difference between timeout and timeoutd ?
[09:43] <jojoman02> timeout is the program that sends the shutdown command
[09:44] <jojoman02> and timeoutd is the program that monitors
[09:44] <jojoman02> like lets say u were running a server and wanted to kick off a certain user that you didn't make a rule for, you would use timeout to do it
[09:44] <jojoman02> sort of temporarily
[09:44] <slyfox> so both need to be installed ?
[09:44] <jojoman02> if it was a weekly/daily thing u would need a deamon
[09:45] <jojoman02> yes
[09:45] <jojoman02> but timeoutd installs timeout
[09:45] <jojoman02> it's a dependancy
[09:45] <slyfox> Excellent.,
[09:45] <jojoman02> cuz timeoutd sends the command to timeout automatically based on the rules file /etc/timeouts
[09:45] <jojoman02> :)
[09:45] <jojoman02> u know how to edit files right?
[09:46] <jojoman02> make sure the user that you are talking about does not have ability of sudo'ing
[09:46] <jojoman02> cuz then he can modify the /etc/timeouts file
[09:47] <jojoman02> you do taht in system-> administration -> users
[09:48] <slyfox> yeah
[09:48] <jojoman02> uncheck administer the system in privelages
[09:48] <slyfox> one otehr question
[09:48] <jojoman02> kk
[09:49] <jojoman02> shoot
[09:49] <slyfox> when some other user is lgged in and I come in and want to do some administratror commands or wahtever, can I do that? becasue when I type in sudo osmething and it asks me for the password and I enter mine, it tell me that the apssword is wrong
[09:49] <jojoman02> when you are logged in as another user
[09:50] <slyfox> yes
[09:50] <slyfox> but that user is not an admin user
[09:50] <jojoman02> u either need to switch users
[09:50] <jojoman02> or use a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+f1)
[09:51] <slyfox> like start a new session you mean
[09:51] <jojoman02> f1 through f7 will work
[09:51] <slyfox> Cool
[09:51] <jojoman02> f7 is the desktop
[09:51] <jojoman02> actually
[09:51] <jojoman02> it's running on vt7
[09:51] <slyfox> so f1 should work
[09:51] <jojoman02> ctrl+alt+f1
[09:51] <jojoman02> use your username and login
[09:51] <jojoman02> you could even run a session
[09:51] <jojoman02> but that is a little more complex
[09:52] <jojoman02> and u can't run gui tasks in a virtual terminal
[09:52] <jojoman02> but u can sudo anything
[09:52] <jojoman02> or use nano to edit files
[09:52] <slyfox> jojoman02: sudo would be enough for now
[09:52] <jojoman02> it takes some getting used to
[09:53] <jojoman02> better to just tell them to wait and you switch users, login and admin what you need to then logout and log back into their accounts
[09:53] <slyfox> Ok, thank you very much for all you help. I will write all of this down. I have a learned today.
[09:53] <jojoman02> slyfox: your welcome :)
[09:54] <jojoman02> slyfox: it's not that hard once you get used to the way things work:)
[09:54] <jojoman02> slyfox: in linux i mean :)
[09:54] <slyfox> jojoman02: oh yeah
[09:54] <slyfox> I start to enjoy Linux more and more every day
[09:54] <jojoman02> don't forget to read man
[09:54] <slyfox> yes, lots of reading
[09:54] <slyfox> Its fun when you finally get things working.
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