[12:12] <pochu> toodles: if you don't know, there is a channel with the X frikis, #ubuntu-x so you may want to hang there :)
[12:13] <toodles> pochu: Thank you, will do :-D
[12:13] <tepsipakki> toodles: have you tried other distros?-)
[12:14] <toodles> tepsipakki: No, but that's a very good idea. (Still, I'm not gonna leave ubuntu. I love it too much) Any suggestions? fedora, opensuse?
[12:15] <tepsipakki> no idea.. I haven't tried any other for a long time
[12:15] <pochu> toodles: search for one which fits in one cd ;)
[12:16] <toodles> tepsipakki: Same. Found ubuntu was happy with my OS the first time ever.
[12:16] <pochu> me too :)
[12:16] <toodles> pochu: Lol. :-)
[12:16] <pochu> tepsipakki: would it be possible to checkout a newer git to include it in ubuntu? for the modesetting driver
[12:16] <pochu> tepsipakki: (if I test it and works fine)
[12:17] <tepsipakki> why not
[12:17] <toodles> tepsipakki: I'll be glad to test all you want too!
[12:17] <pochu> tepsipakki: and to build it, would be enough to copy the debian/ into the new git, or there would be some work to do?
[12:18] <tepsipakki> that should work
[12:18] <pochu> ok, then I'll try it :)
[12:18] <toodles> pochu: If your build works, would you mind sending me a link??
[12:19] <pochu> toodles: sure :)
[12:19] <toodles> pochu: cool!
[12:19] <pochu> toodles: sure I can, I mean
[12:19] <pochu> not that I mind doing it :)
[12:20] <pochu> toodles: if it works...
[12:20] <toodles> pochu: hehe, gotcha
[12:20] <pochu> :P
[12:22] <pochu> toodles: but I will try to build it tomorrow
[12:22] <pochu> if it works, I'll mail you :)
[12:22] <toodles> pochu: That would be swell :)
[12:27] <pochu> who should I poke about a security problem in an ubuntu package?
[12:28] <poningru> what is the 'desktop effect' that is activated?
[12:28] <poningru> is it compiz or beryl?
[12:28] <tepsipakki> compiz
[12:28] <poningru> awesome thanks
[12:29] <tepsipakki> beryl is not in feisty
[12:29] <poningru> as in not packaged for it??
[12:29] <keescook> poningru: generally me or pitti.  feel free to email security@ubuntu.com too (goes to me and pitti)
[12:29] <keescook> gah.  pochu: ^^
[12:29] <poningru> :)
[12:29] <tepsipakki> poningru: yes
[12:29] <poningru> tepsipakki: thanks
[12:29] <pochu> keescook: ok, ty :)
[12:30] <pochu> keescook: can I pm you a second?
[12:30] <keescook> pochu: yup, feel free.  :)
[12:31] <LaserJock> poningru: compiz was in Universe and beryl wasn't/isn't
[12:32] <tepsipakki> compiz is in main now
[12:32] <tepsipakki> ah
[12:32] <tepsipakki> "was"
[12:32] <poningru> awesome
[12:33] <roico> compiz is in universe?
[12:33] <poningru> in main now
[12:36] <pochu> and in the install cd, also
[12:37] <geser> tepsipakki: is the virtual package xserver-xorg-video now versioned in Ubuntu or still only in Debian?
[12:41] <keescook> pochu: looks like Debian (and Ubuntu's) wordpress is clean; the orig.tar.gz matches the official published version (not the bad one)
[12:42] <pochu> keescook: the official was affected, so does it match 2.1.2?
[12:43] <pochu> keescook: cvs wasn't affected, though
[12:44] <pochu> keescook: but if the tar.gz used by ubuntu/debian was from wordpress.org, it should be affected...
[12:44] <keescook> pochu: the official release was fine for a while, but was recently (in last 4 days) modified.  to avoid confusion, WP is just declaring all 2.1.1's as "bad".  I verified that our 2.1.1 is the official version (and has no backdoor)
[12:44] <pochu> keescook: oh, well :)
[12:44] <keescook> pochu: the orig was downloaded before the bad guy changed it on wordpress.org.
[12:44] <pochu> I understood that all the 2.1.1 were affected :-/
[12:44] <pochu> keescook: ty anyways :)
[12:45] <keescook> they're just saying that to avoid confusion.
[12:45] <keescook> i.e. since *some* 2.1.1's are bad, they're just declaring the entire version bad.
[01:43] <geser> tepsipakki: is Provides: xserver-xorg-video-1.0 fixed in the last xserver-xorg-video-ati upload?
[01:43] <Ng> are there bzr branches for packages? I just did "bzr branch http://launchpad.net/xine-lib" and got 1.1.3, but 1.1.4 is in feisty
[01:45] <Burgundavia> Ng: for some yes
[01:45] <geser> tepsipakki: xserver-xorg has only a dependency on xserver-xorg-video (without the -1.0)
[01:46] <Ng> Burgundavia: bah ;)
[01:49] <Fujitsu> Ng: Some, but few, packages are in bzr.
[01:49] <Fujitsu> I believe we'll soon be able to attach branches to distro source packages, so it may become more common in future.
[01:49] <Ng> cool
[01:49] <Ng> 'cos I have a patch I want to use in xine, but isn't suitable for merging, so being able to track a bzr branch would be most handy
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Did my messages get through a couple of minutes ago? My 'net connection was going silly...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the two?  yes
[01:51] <Fujitsu> I was wondering, as my network connection sort of dropped, but didn't....
[02:02] <pochu> night all!
[02:44] <pochu> oups :)
[03:10] <K3nto> could somebody here do me a big favor? i was helping a fellow in #ubuntu install Edgy Eft but i got booted 
[03:18] <Hobbsee> K3nto: why did you come here then?
[03:18] <K3nto> so see if somebody could go there and tell him it was an accident
[03:18] <Hobbsee> K3nto: people here dont usually have ops in #ubuntu .  try #ubuntu-ops
[03:19] <K3nto> ok thanks
[03:22] <K3nto> Seveas isnt responding
[05:21] <firefly2442> Will Feisty have spellcheck built into Firefox by default?
[05:37] <jdong> firephoto: certainly
[05:37] <jdong> grr
[05:38] <jdong> guy left
[05:38] <jdong> never mind
[07:24] <SEJeff> In launchpad, I found the kernel package and Bugs is insensitive. How can I report a kernel oops when apport is retarded and dies?
[10:18] <shawarma> I'm at a Linux Expo in Denmark and people keep asking if Feisty CD's will be available from ShipIt. Has that been decided yet?
[10:26] <lifeless> I dont think its decided yet, but I suspect the answer will be yes - its much less crack than edgy
[10:34] <mdke_> edgy wasn't that crack
[10:35] <mdke_> presumably they will continue to distribute dapper as an LTS, so it will depend on whether the resources are there to ship two versions at once
[12:24] <astopy> is changelogs.ubuntu.com down?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> astopy: it seems not.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ping chsarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping changelogs.ubuntu.com
[12:26] <Hobbsee> PING changelogs.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 64 bytes from rookery.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=291 ms
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 64 bytes from rookery.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132): icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=292 ms
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 64 bytes from rookery.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132): icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=301 ms
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 64 bytes from rookery.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132): icmp_seq=4 ttl=46 time=296 ms
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 64 bytes from rookery.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132): icmp_seq=5 ttl=46 time=291 ms
[12:26] <Hobbsee> --- changelogs.ubuntu.com ping statistics ---
[12:26] <Hobbsee> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms
[12:27] <astopy> hmm, the machine is up but apache doesn't seem to be responding
[12:28] <stgraber> Waiting for changelogs.ubuntu.com ...
[12:29] <StevenK> You're right, it's up, but doesn't respond to any services.
[12:29] <MrStein> Before I bugger, is it noraml that the live CD (Herd5) uses the VESA driver instead of radeon ?
[12:29] <MrStein> noraml=normal
[12:36] <MrStein> OK, I'm "bugging" Where should I report bugs with FF Herd 5 lice CD ? Just as normal bugs into https://bugs.launchpad.net ?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:36] <MrStein> 'key...
[12:37] <MrStein> Hobbsee: you know the answer about the above question about VESA driver ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> no
[12:37] <MrStein> is there a channel for testing releases ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu+1
[12:39] <MrStein> ok, thanks. Moving to #ubuntu+1
[01:21] <Sp4rKy> hi
[01:21] <Sp4rKy> does anyone know why casper only set $LANG and no $LANGUAGE ?
[01:22] <hunger> Is x.org now at version 7.2?
[01:22] <stgraber>  Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2
[01:22] <stgraber> oops
[01:23] <stgraber> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2
[01:23] <stgraber> so the answer is yes :)
[01:23] <hunger> stgraber: I have not restarted X in weeks... So it still claims Release 7.1 here. Looks like I need to reboot soonish to test the new kernel and xserver:-)
[01:24] <stgraber> hunger: you can check what version of X is installed with "X -version"
[01:24] <hunger> stgraber: Oh, cool, hadn't known that:-)
[01:25] <hunger> stgraber: I used xdpyinfo to get the version no.
[01:27] <hunger> Maybe X won't crash when I start glxgears with the new drivers:-)
[01:28] <stgraber> ATI board ?
[01:28] <Fujitsu> hunger: I've heard that it fixes some glxgears crashing on ATI.
[01:28] <hunger> Fujitsu: Great:-)
[01:29] <hunger> stgraber: Yeap, ATI graphics card in a laptop.
[02:09] <Sp4rKy> is there someone who can help me with casper ?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Sp4rKy: seeing as tehy havent answered, probably not
[02:10] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Sp4rKy: also, look at the day.
[02:10] <Sp4rKy> indeed
[02:16] <provolone6787> hy
[02:18] <Sp4rKy> hy
[02:19] <provolone6787> i've a problem making deb package
[02:19] <provolone6787> .S
[02:19] <provolone6787> i made deb package from source
[02:19] <provolone6787> but when i install it all files is put into / dir
[02:20] <provolone6787> do u know the reason?
[02:22] <doko> cjwatson: debootstrap currently doesn't create the fd devices; I want to add them, devices-std or divices?
[02:35] <\sh> moins
[02:35] <\sh> who came up with this idea: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[02:36] <ForgeAus> are there any plans to add download acceleration (well more like multi-source downloads) to adept for kubuntu?
[02:37] <ForgeAus> I mean currently it does do multiple separate downloads at once, just doesn't use more than one source that I know of for a single download
[02:37] <Seveas> ForgeAus, "download acceleration" is only annoying for servers and doesn't speed up anything in this case since the ubuntu archive isn't speedlimited
[02:37] <Hobbsee> \sh: the debian maintainer field spec should explain all...
[02:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: but it's wrong..
[02:37] <ForgeAus> thanx Seveas sounds reasonable....
[02:38] <\sh> a package with 0ubuntuX doesn't mean, the maintainer needs to be an ubuntu.com email address holder ;)
[02:38] <Seveas> \sh, there was talk about that in the last devel meeting. It'll be overridable and check whether DEBEMAIL has @ubuntu.com in it iirc
[02:41] <\sh> Seveas: well, there needs to be a difference between debian packages changed by ubuntu {core,motu} devs and a new package to ubuntu, where a package maintainer can be someone else...
[02:48] <zul_> LS
[04:43] <RenatoSilva> hi
[04:43] <RenatoSilva> I'm renato from Rio, Brazil
[04:43] <RenatoSilva> how open are you for suggestions?
[04:45] <angasule> ol :) I think they're all sleeping here
[04:45] <RenatoSilva> angasule: hi
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> angasule: who are you?
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> angasule: brazillian
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> angasule: ?
[04:46] <angasule> eu sou argentino
[04:46] <pochu> RenatoSilva: what do you need?
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> angasule: tell me, are they the GNOME developers uahuhauhaaaaa
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> pochu: it's not a need
[04:46] <RenatoSilva> pochu: suggestions
[04:47] <RenatoSilva> pochu: but before i need to now a thing
[04:47] <RenatoSilva> pochu: is GNOME customized on Ubuntu?
[04:47] <RenatoSilva> pochu: coz the suggestions is about gnome
[04:47] <mjg59> Gnome is lightly customised, but most of the code is from gnome.org
[04:50] <RenatoSilva> well the suggestions are
[04:50] <RenatoSilva> 1) create a special theme format
[04:50] <RenatoSilva> actually
[04:50] <RenatoSilva> just change the extension from tar.gz to .theme
[04:51] <RenatoSilva> so that user click over the downloaded file
[04:51] <RenatoSilva> and it installs automatically
[04:51] <RenatoSilva> just like .debs do
[04:51] <mjg59> That would have to be a change in upstream gnome
[04:51] <RenatoSilva> so i'd have to tell them this not you?
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> just create a content handler
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> when you click .tar.gz it opens it
[04:52] <RenatoSilva> and add a remove button on the main theme window, not the details windows
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> and sees if it has a specific directory structure
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> if it does, okay!
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> if not, file-roller
[04:52] <RenatoSilva> bluefoxicy: it's not for me, it sshould be a defaulkt behavior
[04:52] <Mithrandir> bluefoxicy: that's hacky, it should rather be another mime type.
[04:52] <Mithrandir> IMNSHO.
[04:52] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: Yes, discussing this with Gnome people is probably a better bet
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> Mithrandir:  another MIME type would wtf me
[04:52] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: thanks
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> I look at rpm + deb and I'm like "WHY THE HELL DOES TAR + GZIP NOT OPEN THIS!?"
[04:53] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: do you know the gnome channel?
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> I spent hours trying to figure out how to get rpm to unzip a .rpm file instead of installing it
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> (I still don't know)
[04:53] <RenatoSilva> bluefoxicy: .debs are just tar.gzs?
[04:54] <RenatoSilva> bluefoxicy: i didn't know that
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> RenatoSilva:  I thought they were but they're apparently not.
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> tar.gz or tar.bz2 with special directory structure
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> apparently not so.
[04:54] <Mithrandir> no, they're not
[04:55] <kylem> ...
[04:55] <kylem> please stop spreading misinformation.
[04:56] <kylem> bluefoxicy, btw, rpm2cpio.
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> I still can't imagine what prompted all these package developers to create their own package format
[04:56] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: deb is designed to allow you to get at the metadata without having to scan the entire archive
[04:56] <mjg59> That would be impossible with a plain tarball solution
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> mjg:  ah, you can't force that to reside in the first file in the tarball?
[04:57] <mjg59> I've no idea what the rpm people were thinking. "Yummy crack", possibly.
[04:58] <imbrandon> .deb's are an ar archive with a control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz inside
[04:58] <stgraber> .deb are in fact "ar" archives with .tar.gz inside of them
[04:58] <stgraber> :(
[04:58] <imbrandon> ( would help to read the docs hehe )
[04:58] <stgraber> imbrandon: you were faster
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> ah
[04:59] <stgraber> after : ar x package.deb you have : control.tar.gz  data.tar.gz  debian-binary
[04:59] <imbrandon> ar -x blah_i386.deb data.tar.gz
[04:59] <imbrandon> yea
[04:59] <stgraber> control.tar.gz containing the install scripts
[05:00] <stgraber> and data.tar.gz the files themself
[05:00] <stgraber> and data.tar.gz the files themselves
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> did not know all that.
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> I thought someone slapped a header onto a tarball
[05:00] <kylem> no. quite a bit more thought went into it than that.
[05:00] <imbrandon> bluefoxicy, might be good to read the debian maint guide if your gonna hang in the -dev chan :)
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> imbrandon:  I've read it 5 times, I just never retain it.
[05:01] <RenatoSilva> people if you don't fork gnome
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> no
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> no forks of something giant like gnome
[05:01] <RenatoSilva> so what you do in ubuntu?
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> I will kill you
[05:01] <imbrandon> afaik rpm is in a similar situation but i dont know the specifics ( i'm sure a quick google will come up with the info though )
[05:02] <imbrandon> RenatoSilva, why would we fork gnome ?
[05:02] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: coz a suggestion i have changes gnome
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> a suggestion you have adds a load of development overhead and incompatibility
[05:03] <imbrandon> RenatoSilva, would probably be better sent upstream then, forking isnt commonplace
[05:03] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: but i don't believe, as Linus do, that gnome people will give me attwntion
[05:03] <RenatoSilva> attention
[05:03] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: AND
[05:03] <_lemsx1_> RenatoSilva: did you try to get their attention?
[05:04] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: synaptic has thousands of forks
[05:04] <imbrandon> RenatoSilva, then get some like minded people togather and work on it your selfs but ubuntu devs already have enough on their plate to take on such a huge project
[05:04] <RenatoSilva> _lemsx1_: i will
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> imbrandon:  ubuntu-minix :D
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> *ducks*
[05:04] <RenatoSilva> _lemsx1_: i know i cannot judge them
[05:04] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: ok
[05:05] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: but what you do exactly if don't touch in gnome?
[05:05] <imbrandon> besides generaly ubuntu works "with" upstream , not against them, so if they reject it we will likely too ( there are exceptions )
[05:05] <mjg59> This discussion really isn't appropriate here at this point
[05:06] <imbrandon> mjg59, +1
[05:06] <mjg59> Please move it to either -offtopic or the appropriate project channel
[05:06] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: i thought gnome was already forked by you because of the lot of software that is so (looks like everything, because of the "ubuntu" atachment on version)
[05:07] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: and also, in ubuntu, gnome doesn't have special permissions: st
[05:07] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: what?
[05:07] <bhale> RenatoSilva: mjg59 asked nicely.
[05:07] <imbrandon> RenatoSilva, as mjg59 asked , this is no longer really appropriate here
[05:07] <RenatoSilva> dont misunderstand me please
[05:07] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: This discussion is off-topic on this channel. Please take it elsewhere.
[05:08] <RenatoSilva> i have a question
[05:08] <RenatoSilva> not a discussion
[05:08] <imbrandon> brb afk
[05:08] <RenatoSilva> the question is
[05:08] <RenatoSilva> is GNOME a totally true version from GNOME community, or did you do some changes??????
[05:09] <bhale> every distro does changes, but that discussion is off-topic
[05:09] <pochu> RenatoSilva: <mjg59> Gnome is lightly customised, but most of the code is from gnome.org
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> it's branded
[05:10] <pochu> RenatoSilva: if you want that change, you should talk the gnome developers, not the ubuntu ones
[05:10] <RenatoSilva> 2) why SUSE's GNOME do have S/UGID/Sticky bit and Ubuntu's GNOME doesn't?
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> that's about it
[05:10] <RenatoSilva> pochu: thanks, the end.
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> (2) is because they're smarter than to SUID everything willy-nilly here.
[05:10] <RenatoSilva> people dont' misunderstand i'm not a flammer
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> ........
[05:11] <bluefoxicy> you heard it here folks
[05:11] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Please be quiet.
[05:11] <RenatoSilva> bluefoxicy: don't understand
[05:11] <pochu> RenatoSilva: no problem, but just this is not the appropiate channel :)
[05:11] <stgraber> Novell certainly patched it or if this is in upstream, Ubuntu choosed to disable that (maybe you can enable it through gconf-editor)
[05:11] <RenatoSilva> bluefoxicy: people are telling me will kick me off
[05:11] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: We make very few changes to upstream gnome, most of which are simply branding (adding Ubuntu logos). I've no idea why SUSE is different to Ubuntu in this respect.
[05:11] <stgraber> but it's not the channel for that kind of question, #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic are way better for that
[05:12] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: You're not being accused of being a flamer. You're being told that this is the wrong place for this discussion.
[05:12] <bhale> no one said they would kick you off, the topic of this channel is very specific.
[05:12] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: so the special permissions is NOT an original feature of GNOME, but instead, SUSE actually has did a fork of it?
[05:13] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: i'm not discussion as i've said
[05:13] <RenatoSilva> discussing
[05:13] <RenatoSilva> are NOT
[05:13] <stgraber> not a fork, a fork means you do everything twice, you are completly separated from upstream, what they do and what Ubuntu does is patching upstream version
[05:13] <stgraber> maybe Novell patched gnome with a patch that was refused upstream
[05:13] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: I have no idea. This isn't the place to talk about it.
[05:13] <stgraber> that's still not a fork
[05:14] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: why this is not the place to ask wheter original GNOME has "st" or not?
[05:14] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: since you're involved with GNOME
[05:14] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: Because we don't develop the original gnome. Ask the gnome developers.
[05:15] <RenatoSilva> mjg59: So...
[05:15] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: #gnome on irc.gnome.org
[05:15] <bhale> ask the gnome developers in a forum appropriate to them.
[05:15] <RenatoSilva> you don't know completely this feature?
[05:15] <bluefoxicy> wow
[05:15] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Ssh.
[05:15] <RenatoSilva> ok
[05:15] <RenatoSilva> so i ask them and suse
[05:15] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  into what?
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> it's simple
[05:16] <mjg59> RenatoSilva: Yes.
[05:16] <bhale> please also be sensitive to the connotation of "fork"
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> you don't need to hurt me
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> bhale: ok
[05:16] <bhale> it is somewhat inflamatory when used incorrectly
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> bhale: i think anything is different from original is a fork
[05:16] <RenatoSilva> bhale: such that special permissions
[05:17] <RenatoSilva> so...
[05:17] <stgraber> xorg is a fork of XFree, beryl is a fork of compiz. But Ubuntu's gnome isn't a fork of gnome, it's just gnome+a few patches
[05:17] <RenatoSilva> if gnome suggestions are not suitable here
[05:17] <mjg59> Sorry, it's clear that something has gone horribly wrong with the internet
[05:17] <RenatoSilva> what kind of them i can make here?
[05:17] <mjg59> And that when people say that they've heard what I'm saying, these responses are being generated by some intermediate machine rather than the person they appear to be from
[05:17] <imbrandon> this really isnt the place for any sugestions
[05:18] <Treenaks> mjg59: must be your internet, mine's fine :P
[05:18] <mjg59> There's no other explanation for why 3 billion people would all say "Yes, this discussion is inappropriate here" and then carry on with it anyway
[05:18] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: people from ubuntu-br told me it is
[05:18] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: sorry
[05:18] <mjg59> Is there?
[05:18] <imbrandon> mjg59, nope
[05:19] <mjg59> Excellent.
[05:19] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  sometimes when you work in support, you just have to answer the customer's questions to get him to go away
[05:19] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: so what is this all about?
[05:19] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  on the other hand, this isn't a support channel, and there are no customers.
[05:19] <imbrandon> RenatoSilva, this channel is for the developers of ubuntu to collaborate on packaging 
[05:19] <imbrandon> nothing more
[05:19] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: where can I make suggestions for features in Ubuntu? 
[05:20] <bluefoxicy> launchpad
[05:20] <bhale> launchpad.net
[05:20] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: No, please, be quiet.
[05:20] <imbrandon> www.ubuntuforums.org or launchpad.net are good places to start
[05:20] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: so it's suitable for me only if i'm a develofer of ubuntu?
[05:20] <bhale> RenatoSilva: you can suggest things by filing bug reports or writing specs, both are handled by launchpad.
[05:20] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: thanks
[05:20] <imbrandon> no non-devlopers can collaborate with the developers if it pertains to pakaging for the release
[05:20] <RenatoSilva> thanks all of you
[05:21] <imbrandon> but this isnt such a topic thus needs to cease
[05:21] <RenatoSilva> imbrandon: what?
[05:21] <RenatoSilva> ubuntu is written in C or C++?
[05:21] <bhale> RenatoSilva: last warning
[05:21] <hagi> lol
[05:22] <bhale> RenatoSilva: please move along.
[05:22] <imbrandon> in short, you dont have to be a developer to be here but you have to stay on topic and as stated many times this isnt on topic, nor is an questions that dont specificly pertain to packaging ubuntu
[05:22] <RenatoSilva> i have to go
[05:23] <RenatoSilva> bye
[05:23] <bhale> stupid CoC
[05:23] <imbrandon> wow i dont know how much simpler i could have said it , nor bhale or mjg59 heh
[05:23] <stgraber> :)
[05:24] <bhale> that happens semi-reguarly, its hard to try to placate them and send them on their way without just getting mean or using force
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> bhale:  You're just still used to banning me every 10 minutes.
[05:27] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Really, I'm serious. If you don't have anything topical to say, then please don't say it.
[06:05] <fabbione> java: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
[06:05] <fabbione> i guess there is no workaround for this one...
[06:17] <bhz_> I will pay $20 via paypal if you DoS someone for 5 hours. will pay $4 every hour. message me if interested
[06:35] <mhb> hello everyone; can someone point me to the information about why the new control center disappeared?
[06:37] <mhb> I tried to ask at #ubuntu+1, but nobody knew
[06:37] <phanatic> mhb: was disabled by upstream (gnome)
[06:38] <phanatic> mhb: but you can still run gnome-control-center to get the integrated view
[06:38] <mhb> phanatic: yes, I know
[06:38] <mhb> phanatic: but its not the same as having it available for the common user
[06:39] <mhb> phanatic: does that mean Ubuntu Feisty final will also stick to the old menu?
[06:39] <phanatic> since gnome 2.18 will probably ship with the old one, my answer would be yes, but i'm not an ubuntu gnome maintainer...
[06:40] <mhb> too bad
[06:40] <mhb> I must say Ive read a lot of positive feedback about it
[06:40] <jdong> mhb: heh I've heard more negative feedback about it
[06:44] <mhb> one way or the other, I guess you folks should make an info page for the users stating why it got dropped
[06:47] <phanatic> i don't think it's ubuntu business... i mean it was decided by upstream not to ship it by default
[06:48] <imbrandon> that and it was never shiped in a stable release, no need to explain decesions that were never released
[06:50] <phanatic> imbrandon++
[06:51] <zoli2k> Hi, I want to build a small USB ubuntu distro based on  edgy and squashfs. I think the easiest  way to derive it from the ubuntu livecd. Where can I get a base root compatible with casper?
[06:52] <jdong> zoli2k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06
[06:52] <jdong> zoli2k: I think the Dapper instructions are still applicable
[06:54] <zoli2k> jdong: The problem is that I am not able to purge x11-common from the livcd root. There are 9 unresolvable dependencies, aptitude says.
[06:55] <jdong> zoli2k: oh. Probably because parts of casper scripts call x11-common
[06:55] <Funcod> Hi
[06:55] <Funcod> is there anyone here whos working on the ubuntu website?
[06:55] <jdong> zoli2k: x11-common is only like 300KB, right?
[06:55] <Funcod> theres a problem in the rendering of the homepage in ie 6
[06:56] <Funcod> there's an enormous gap
[06:56] <Funcod> and if u scroll down a lot
[06:56] <Funcod> u see the content
[06:56] <zoli2k> jdong: I would like to purge also all  X and gnome related apps
[06:56] <jdong> zoli2k: you should be able to purge all of those without incident
[06:56] <jdong> zoli2k: or enough of X such that the remainder doesn't take up significant space
[06:56] <Funcod> since ur tryin to make ppl swith from windows you should fix that ...when they arrive on the website they see an empty page
[06:57] <jdong> Funcod: hmm I recall the site working fine in IE6
[06:57] <Funcod> exept the top and right pane
[06:57] <jdong> unfortunately I don't have IE6 atm
[06:57] <jdong> I've only got 7 on Vista
[06:57] <Funcod> u want a screenshot?
[06:57] <jdong> is that worth testing?
[06:57] <jdong> no, I believe you
[06:57] <jdong> besides, I don't work on the website so I couldn't do much anyway :D
[06:58] <Funcod> well since i wont last long here
[06:58] <zoli2k> jdong:  Ok, I will do in this way. Is there a way to boot to squashfs withot casper?
[06:58] <Funcod> its a major problem i think
[06:58] <Funcod> u arrive and theres only a white background
[06:59] <jdong> zoli2k: well casper sets up the system to be bootable.
[06:59] <jdong> zoli2k: I guess you _can_ remove casper but keep all the files on :D
[06:59] <Funcod> well hum no one care about it then?
[06:59] <jdong> Funcod: there's not really anyone around
[07:00] <jdong> Funcod: bad timing :(....
[07:00] <Funcod> can i give u ss
[07:00] <ScottK> I can confirm the web site issue with IE6 running on crossover-office on Dapper.
[07:00] <Funcod> and u give them?
[07:00] <jdong> Funcod: try e-maililing the webmmaster?
[07:00] <Funcod> theres no email
[07:00] <jdong> ScottK: ok
[07:00] <Funcod> on the website
[07:00] <Funcod> i think
[07:00] <Funcod> or its hidden
[07:00] <Funcod> :)
[07:01] <jdong> ScottK: does it happen in newer IE's?
[07:01] <Funcod> and i though the admin was here
[07:01] <ScottK> Dunno all I have is IE6 on crossover/wine.  I have no Windows.
[07:01] <Funcod> scottk
[07:01] <Funcod> u can tell em about it?
[07:01] <ScottK> Not me.
[07:01] <Funcod> :/
[07:02] <Funcod> oh well np
[07:02] <Funcod> ull lose a lot of custumers thats all :p
[07:02] <Funcod> -u+o
[07:02] <zoli2k> jdong: Thx for your help.
[07:03] <ScottK> Funcod: You might have more luck in #ubuntu-marketing.
[07:03] <Funcod> lol
[07:03] <Funcod> #ubuntu told me to come here
[07:03] <Funcod> and now u tell me to go there :p
[07:09] <ScottK> Funcod: I'm not sure.  It's just a thought since you're getting no traction here.
[07:09] <Funcod> k
[09:53] <niktaris> cjwatson, how do I edit the gtk interface of ubiquity. I tried glade but can't get pass the second screen
[09:54] <cjwatson> doko: er, it does - except maybe not for amd64, which is a bug that should be easy to correct in the Makefile
[09:54] <cjwatson> niktaris: make sure to use glade-3, get to the 'steps' widget in the inspector, and edit the page number
[09:56] <funpop> guys get of your screen from time to time, we got lunar eclipse 3/3/2007
[09:57] <niktaris> cjwatson, thanks
[09:58] <doko> cjwatson: hmm, no (I don't mean the floppy devices, but /dev/std{in,out,err}
[09:59] <cjwatson> doko: why are those needed? debootstrap intentionally creates rather few devices and leaves the rest to frontends such as udev
[10:00] <cjwatson> doko: anyway, actually, it already should create thosse
[10:00] <cjwatson> DEVS := generic hde hdf hdg hdh sde sdf sdg sdh scd-all initrd input usb md lp rtc video \
[10:00] <doko> cjwatson: bash autoconf test, so everytime I build bash in a new chroot, I re-remember to create the devices
[10:01] <doko> I think infinity did add the creation of these to the buildd setup
[10:01] <cjwatson> generic => generic-i386 => fd => /dev/fd as symlink to /proc/self/fd and /dev/std{in,out,err} as symlinks
[10:01] <cjwatson> so it's definitely meant to do that already, provided that /proc is mounted
[10:02] <doko> but debootstrap mounts /proc ... wondering
[10:04] <cjwatson> doko: only while it's bootstrapping, and then it unmounts it just before exiting
[10:04] <cjwatson> you probably just need to mount it again?
[10:05] <cjwatson> testing here
[10:05] <doko> just created a new chroot, no /dev/stdin
[10:06] <cjwatson> any devices at all?
[10:06] <doko> yes, it creates devices, but no /dev/stdin
[10:08] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, I see, it's only in devices.tar.gz (which is the one used in the udeb)
[10:08] <cjwatson> you can't just bind-mount /dev or something?
[10:09] <cjwatson> anyway, I don't particularly mind you adding fd to devices-std.tar.gz, I just don't want it creeping back up to be essentially devices.tar.gz since that would be a considerable divergence from Debian
[10:09] <cjwatson> having stuff like /dev/stdin seems fairly reasonable though
[10:10] <cjwatson> (although since you need to mount /proc, mounting /dev is a pretty small extra step)
[10:11] <doko> yes, sure, mounting /proc is standard procedure, calling MAKEDEV as an extra step maybe not. I'll add it tomorrow
[10:12] <cjwatson> not calling MAKEDEV, but bind-mounting /dev
[10:12] <cjwatson> I didn't say calling MAKEDEV
[10:13] <doko> ahh, ok
[10:18] <hunger> Any idea why pam_mount no longer works for partitions protected by a openssl encrypted key?
[10:19] <hunger> It did work on since breezy.
[11:22] <cypherbios> pochu: nice portuguese :)
[11:23] <pochu> cypherbios: ty ;)
[11:23] <cypherbios> pochu: where are you from?
[11:24] <pochu> cypherbios: spain
[11:24] <pochu> cypherbios: I now nothing about portuguese, but it's a little similar to spanish :)
[11:24] <cypherbios> pochu: oh, it explains :)
[11:25] <pochu> hehe
[11:25] <pochu> though I had to search one word (folder) in the dictionary :)
[11:38] <_lemsx1_> cpio: ./etc/udev/rules.d/*-lvm.rules: No such file or directory
[11:39] <_lemsx1_> i saw that while upgrading to Feisty
[11:53] <_lemsx1_> that was the only hiccup. everything else is fine
[11:53] <_lemsx1_> time to reboot