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gabe:) thanks :)12:16
mdke_long journey?12:16
gabemmm convoluted, I'd say12:16
gabehad a little trouble with the old daily builds of feisty12:17
gabenow, I was hoping that you would be able to give me a little direction. Actually, I wanted to get my mother involved in the documentation effort because she is great at proof reading things. Problem is: do I have to teach here how to use subversion?12:19
gabe*teach her how to use*12:19
mdke_no, certainly not12:19
gabethat's a relief12:19
mdke_our work in progress documentation is hosted at http://doc.ubuntu.com12:19
gabeyes...12:19
mdke_she can just read through and you can point her to the bug filing page, or she can email us12:20
gabeI was just going to say that I'd followed all kinds of links from there12:20
gabething is, I really think should could make some useful contribution, but getting her to use subversion would be something of a nightmare12:20
gabeOK, I see12:21
gabejust to make it crystal clear: I get her to read the documentation at doc.ubuntu.com, particularly  the stuff on the right-hand side12:21
gabeand when she finds things she thinks need correcting she should...?12:22
mdke_file a bug or email our mailing list12:23
mdke_preferably the former, but the latter if the former is too difficult12:23
gabeok, and could you give me the address for bug reporting, please12:24
mdke_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bugs12:28
gabeaha, thank you12:29
gabejust one last thing12:29
gabewhat kind of things do you want reported exactly?   I did get my mum to read some pages of this and she pointed out several punction errors. Such as improper use of ":" and ";" etc. Do you care about these, or should she ignore them?12:31
LaserJockI think those are nice, I personally want stuff to be as polished as possible12:32
LaserJockbut it's nice to sort of so more than one at a time12:32
LaserJock*do12:32
mdke_yes, any errors12:33
gabeLaserJock: you mean report multiple errors in a single bug report?12:33
mdke_however, be aware that there are lots of different rules for punctuation12:33
mdke_what is wrong in British English is not necessarily wrong in American English, and vice versa12:33
gabemmmm12:33
gabemdke_: and which does Ubuntu Doc favour?12:34
mdke_http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/styleguide-grammar.html12:34
gabe:)12:34
mdke_american12:34
LaserJock\o/12:34
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mdke_there are probably lots of failures to comply with our guide though, so pointing those out will be helpful12:34
LaserJockmdke_: ok, so I believe with the current setup, no docs from edubuntu-docs show up in the Yelp frontpage12:35
LaserJockmdke_: if you do a search they show up pretty well12:36
mdke_yes, that's right12:36
LaserJocknow, how is that frontpage determined? is there code involved?12:36
mdke_yes, it's currently hardcoded12:37
LaserJockI was wondering if you could do some sort of "if edubuntu-docs; then ...."12:37
mdke_my idea would be to determine the list according to what is installed in scrollkeeper12:37
mdke_but Don has not yet got back to me12:37
LaserJockhardcoded in the yelp source?12:37
mdke_yes, in Yelp12:37
LaserJockwell, it looks pretty decent as is though12:38
LaserJockbefore they were all jumbled together12:38
mdke_I have the following plan12:38
mdke_(a) wait for Don to get back, chase him more12:39
mdke_(b) try and do it myself, see how it goes12:39
mdke_(c) resign to defeat but think, "hey, it's still better than Edgy"12:39
mdke_worst case scenario isn't that bad, but hopefully we can do (a) or (b)12:40
LaserJockwell, I think (c) isn't tragic, so that's cool12:40
mdke_we'll see. (c) would mean doing it without fail in the next release12:40
LaserJockis it toc.xml?12:40
gabecould I just ask, what is the easiest way to write docbook? Is there a WSYIWYG editor, or do most ppl just use something like gedit?12:40
mdke_toc.xml.in, among other files12:40
mdke_gabe: there isn't a very good wysiwyg editor12:41
mdke_I use gedit myself12:41
mdke_I'm off to bed12:41
LaserJockcya mdke_12:41
gabeg'night12:41
gabeLaserJock: do you know if it's hard to get going with subversion?12:42
LaserJockgabe: I found it pretty easy myself12:43
LaserJockgabe: our usage is very basic12:43
LaserJockfor subversion12:43
gabeah did you follow some instructions for it?12:43
LaserJockhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh12:44
LaserJockdoh, that's wrong12:44
LaserJockhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository12:45
LaserJockgabe: that one ^^12:45
gabeok, thanks, I'm looking at it now12:45
gabeahh yes, very informative12:45
gabeI was wondering, I would like to contribute to Ubuntu myself. I am useless at programming, but good with writing. Do you know if there is some documentation I could help to write?12:46
LaserJockthere's always lots of things12:47
LaserJockthe help wiki is a good place to get started12:48
LaserJockhelp.ubuntu.com/community/12:48
gabemmmm12:48
gabeI don't quite understand something12:48
gabeif I can use svn to get the documentation then I can alter it. How does that then get processed in to the proper documentation?12:48
LaserJockwell, you send a patch (you get that from svn diff) and we'll apply it to the repo12:49
gabeahh this sounds good12:50
LaserJockthen it gets periodically built into the ubuntu-docs package12:50
gabedoes one submit a patch using svn?12:50
LaserJockno12:50
LaserJockyou create the patch via svn then send it to the mailing list12:50
gabeand the patch would be an entire xml document?12:50
LaserJockonce you've shown you know what you're doing and want to continue working with the team you can get svn write access12:51
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gabeLaserJock: sounds good12:51
LaserJockgabe: it looks something like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2007-March/003409.html12:51
gabeLaserJock: does the project need any help in translating to Chinese, as I may be able to assist with that also?12:51
LaserJockthere is always a need for translation12:52
LaserJocktranslation in Ubuntu is done via Rosetta on Launchpad12:52
gabeok12:52
gabesomething else for me to look in to12:53
gabebut I'm beginning to see the bigger picture with this svn stuff etc12:53
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LaserJockthe svn is just for docs shipped on the CD12:54
LaserJockthe doc team also has the help wiki with loads more stuff12:54
gabei see12:54
gabeand how is the wiki updated and changed? Does that need special write permission also?12:55
LaserJocknope12:55
LaserJockin fact, anybody with a Launchpad account can edit it12:55
gabeahhh12:55
gabethis might be a perfect way to start my mum off12:55
gabeit means she can read an entire document and make necessary improvements herself12:56
LaserJockhttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations12:56
gabeand it has a kind of built-in WSIWYG12:56
gabei don't quite understand...12:59
gabethe translations on rosetta are translations of just one or two words, perhaps just one sentence - is that right?12:59
LaserJockyep01:01
LaserJockit's broken up into thousands of chuncks01:01
gabeyes01:01
LaserJock*chunks01:01
gabebut surely that would give poor translations01:01
gabeit loses context01:01
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LaserJockgabe: that can be a problem yes01:02
gabemmm01:02
LaserJockI honestly don't know anything about the translations01:02
LaserJockI'm just a poor unilingual American01:02
gabeLaserJock: that's ok :)01:03
gabebut do you know how I find a translation that needs doing? All that I look at already have translations01:03
LaserJockI think you have to look at the status bars01:04
gabeahh umm01:05
gabepurple means...01:05
gabegreen means...01:05
LaserJockI think there is a #ubuntu-translators channel01:05
LaserJockthey would probably know01:05
LaserJockI'm just clueless01:05
gabeaha thanks a lot anyway01:05
gabeyou've helped me so much01:05
LaserJockno problem01:07
LaserJockthanks for dropping by01:07
LaserJockand tell your mum we look forward to seeing her work ;-)01:07
gabehehe I will!01:07
gabedo you also think it's best if she starts with the wiki?01:07
LaserJockperhaps01:17
LaserJockthe only thing is the wiki is more dynamic01:17
LaserJockso she might make some minor changes and then have the blown away when somebody changes it around01:18
LaserJockso for proofreading, in general I think it's better to go with the svn docs01:18
gabeoh i see01:20
gabeLaserJock: is there some instructions on how to send patches to the mail list?01:21
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LaserJockgabe: it should be on that wiki page I gave you  DocumentationTeam/Repository01:24
gaberight01:24
gabeok01:24
gabethanks a lot01:24
gabelooking forward to getting started01:24
gabeonly thing is I must learn it all myself first so I can teach ol' ma :)01:25
LaserJock:-)01:26
nixternalbig transfer01:31
nixternalI hope CIA doesn't list everyone01:31
LaserJockmuwahahaha01:32
Admiral_Chicagorichard, got time for a question?01:32
nixternalnope01:32
nixternal;p01:32
nixternalwhat is it01:32
Admiral_Chicagookay, so I want to get emails about the changes to any MozillaTeam pages. How can I subscribe that way on the wiki page01:33
nixternalTransmitting file data .......................................................................01:33
nixternalyou know it is a biggen if it is doing that :)01:33
Admiral_ChicagoI tried MozillaTeam* but that doesn't do it.01:33
nixternalI think you go to your personal settings on the wiki01:33
nixternaland then do MozillaTeam/.*01:33
Admiral_Chicagoah /.*01:33
Admiral_Chicagookay01:33
nixternallearn your regex01:34
Admiral_Chicagoregex?01:34
nixternal#@)*#@01:34
LaserJockworks for shells, should work for wiki pages01:34
nixternalhehe01:34
LaserJockAdmiral_Chicago: regular expression01:34
Admiral_Chicagoyea, thats why I tried the *01:34
nixternalsed -e 's/.*: //'01:34
nixternaloh man, I don't think this is going to be good01:35
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3896 kubuntu/ (259 files in 3 dirs): cleaning up images (old) and adding k3b.png01:35
nixternalwhew01:35
nixternaljust a lil line, thank goodness01:35
Admiral_ChicagoLaserJock: i know what regular expressions are, not the portmanteau01:35
nixternalregex == regular expressions01:36
Admiral_Chicagoto be fair, I have been working on getting my *nix skills up (why do RPGs come to mind...)01:36
Admiral_Chicagoi've been trying to level up my *nix ability.01:36
nixternalI have been trying for years01:38
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CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3897 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml): multimedia doc complete - ready for review - added new menu entries02:59
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nixternalgetting close now03:25
LaserJockwahoo03:25
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3898 kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu.xml: fixed for validation03:29
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3899 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added sect ids03:34
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3900 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added caption to image03:35
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3901 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent office/C/office.xml): office section complete - ready for review - added new menu items03:55
nixternaland another one bites the dust03:56
nixternalLaserJock: it is starting to look like I may have some Handbook time left in me before the week is through :)03:57
Admiral_Chicagosystem settings should be done for Kubuntu (mostly)03:59
Admiral_Chicagoi just emailed what I had to ^^03:59
Admiral_Chicagorock. see ya all later04:00
nixternalrock on04:01
nixternalAdmiral_Chicago: where is the general settings section?04:08
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Admiral_Chicagonixternal: i sent that to you a while ago04:56
Admiral_Chicagonixternal: i sent it all in small bits. i'll send a batch again04:57
Admiral_Chicagonixternal: sent againt05:01
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CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3902 kubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: removed nvidia and ati binary info - replaced with links - to dangerous to document in system docs05:20
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mdke_Admiral_Chicago: if you are doing some doc patches, feel free to send them to the list - that way we can see your work and get to know what you are doing10:34
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mdke_anyone know anything about compiz?11:17
mdke_nixternal: how about just deleting the unused images? we have them in the branches for previous releases if you want to find them again11:22
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3903 /trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs): adding a document about compiz, needs material11:23
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CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3904 /trunk/ (21 files in 21 dirs): refreshing pot templates12:09
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Admiral_Chicagomdke: what do you need about compiz05:41
Admiral_Chicagoand my doc work isn't anything major, but i'll keep that in mind05:41
mdkeAdmiral_Chicago: see the mailing list05:47
mdkegtg now05:47
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nixternalmdke: lol, I was thinking about that last night laying in bed. the unused dir that is. I am going to do it today06:39
nixternalhiya jjesse06:39
jjessehiya06:39
jjessefinally got a temp replacement computer from work06:40
jjesseneed to do some serious doc work this weekend :(06:40
nixternalyou are still working on the bood ey?06:40
nixternalI am doing serious doc work as well today and tomorrow as well06:40
jjesseyeah still working on teh book due to the fact my laptop was down all week while i was in utah06:41
jjessei was working on reading some of the current docs06:42
Admiral_Chicagowhy are you thinking about doc work while lying in bed?06:42
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nixternalyes I think I might06:45
nixternalmy new hobby will be a help system for KDE406:46
jjessemaybe you need a hobby that is !ubuntu :)06:46
jjesselike a life06:46
nixternallol06:46
nixternalsee, it goes Life (fam, friends, and school), Linux, KDE, Kubuntu......06:47
nixternalit all ties in perfectly06:47
nixternalheh, mdke I am going to borrow your basic-commands06:49
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Laser_awayjjesse: nixternal have a life?!? surely you are joking ;-)07:42
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somerville32mdke: Did you get my e-mail? :)07:43
LaserJockhi somerville3207:44
somerville32Hi LaserJock :)07:44
LaserJocksomerville32: how are you?07:45
somerville32I'm doing alright.07:45
somerville32Still in the hospital, I'm afraid07:45
LaserJock:(07:45
LaserJockhow long have you been there?07:45
somerville32A month07:48
LaserJockyikes!07:48
LaserJocksounds serious :(07:48
somerville32hopefully they'll let me out soon :)07:49
nixternalLaserJock: watch it now ;p08:10
LaserJock:-)08:10
nixternalhiya somerville32!08:10
somerville32Hiya nixternal08:11
nixternala month in the hospital!! jeesh, everything OK?08:11
nixternalheh, and you are on IRC08:11
nixternaldude, when my mom was just in the hospital, we couldn't even have our cell phones on08:11
somerville32nixternal: They gave me a little office to work in, haha08:12
nixternallol08:14
nixternalthat is sad08:14
somerville32: )08:16
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CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3905 kubuntu/ (6 files in 6 dirs): spring cleaning09:03
somerville32:)09:10
LaserJockargg, the always looming String Freeze09:13
LaserJocksomehow I always think of String Theory09:13
LaserJockmaybe Ubuntu documentation is some singularity that's cause a black hole09:13
LaserJock*causing09:13
nixternallol09:14
nixternal5 days until freeze09:14
somerville32Wee :)09:20
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somerville32lo mdke_09:27
CIA-4Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3906 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: link fixing - thanks Phil10:17
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jjessenixternal: awesome job on all of the updates that i'm seeing on kubuntu docs11:29
nixternalwhy thank you11:29
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nixternalthey haven't been easy11:29
jjessei now have 62 screenshots for the book to take today :(11:29
nixternalsome have been, but some haven't11:29
jjessedownloading herd5 as we speak11:29
nixternalfun11:29
jjesseyour work has been a great help for working on the book11:29
nixternalit took me 3+ hours yesterday to download herd511:29
jjessed'oh11:30
nixternal50+k the entire time11:30
jjesseyeah i'm at 65k/sec11:30
jjessetime to go get wife up from her nap :)11:30
jjessebrb11:30
nixternalhehe, I need to start a load of laundry11:31
jjessei'm doing the laundry that i took to salt lake so i can pack it all back up for 3 weeks in columbus ohio11:33
nixternalsounds like fun11:33
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jjessewhat's not ffun is the drive home and back i'll be making every weekend11:35
nixternaloh ya, it is a good 6 hour drive for me I think11:36
jjesselittle under 5 for me11:36
jjessei'm doing it so i can see my wife isntead of missing her for 3 weeks11:36
nixternalawwww11:37
=== nixternal hears the crack of the oh so familiar sounding whip
Admiral_Chicagolol11:38
jjesseno whip cracking11:38
nixternaljjesse: that's what we always say, but we know the truth11:38
jjessecomming home cause i want to11:38
jjesseno seriously try living in a hotel for 3 weeks straight11:38
nixternalthere was a guy in #kubuntu last night from GR11:38
jjesseyeah?11:38
nixternaljjesse: I did, for just over a month, I hated it11:38
jjessethat's why i'm comming home11:39
jjessein march and april i have 40 days of hotel book11:39
nixternaloh wow, that is something I do not miss11:39
jjesseputs me up to gold in marriot point status11:39
nixternallol11:39
jjesseoooo michigan is still beating ohio state11:39
nixternalmy points are pretty much gone now11:39
jjessei'm pushing 75k11:40
jjessein under a year11:40
nixternalI bought a snow blower, cobra golf clubs, 3 iPods, and a digital camera with mine11:40
jjessenice11:40
nixternalholy smokes that is a lot for 1 year11:40
nixternalsomeone stole the snowblower11:40
nixternallol11:40
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jjessebummer on that11:40
nixternaldude, I blew snow, came in for a warm up, went out and it was gone11:40
Admiral_Chicagohahaha11:41
nixternalAdmiral_Chicago: prolly was your people ;)11:41
nixternalhahahahaha11:41
Admiral_Chicagothats why I hide11:41
nixternallol11:41
nixternalyour brother would be screaming racist11:41
nixternalhaha11:41
nixternallaundry is calling11:42
nixternalback in a few11:42
Admiral_Chicagospeaking of which, I'm going to find him11:42
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