gabe | :) thanks :) | 12:16 |
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mdke_ | long journey? | 12:16 |
gabe | mmm convoluted, I'd say | 12:16 |
gabe | had a little trouble with the old daily builds of feisty | 12:17 |
gabe | now, I was hoping that you would be able to give me a little direction. Actually, I wanted to get my mother involved in the documentation effort because she is great at proof reading things. Problem is: do I have to teach here how to use subversion? | 12:19 |
gabe | *teach her how to use* | 12:19 |
mdke_ | no, certainly not | 12:19 |
gabe | that's a relief | 12:19 |
mdke_ | our work in progress documentation is hosted at http://doc.ubuntu.com | 12:19 |
gabe | yes... | 12:19 |
mdke_ | she can just read through and you can point her to the bug filing page, or she can email us | 12:20 |
gabe | I was just going to say that I'd followed all kinds of links from there | 12:20 |
gabe | thing is, I really think should could make some useful contribution, but getting her to use subversion would be something of a nightmare | 12:20 |
gabe | OK, I see | 12:21 |
gabe | just to make it crystal clear: I get her to read the documentation at doc.ubuntu.com, particularly the stuff on the right-hand side | 12:21 |
gabe | and when she finds things she thinks need correcting she should...? | 12:22 |
mdke_ | file a bug or email our mailing list | 12:23 |
mdke_ | preferably the former, but the latter if the former is too difficult | 12:23 |
gabe | ok, and could you give me the address for bug reporting, please | 12:24 |
mdke_ | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bugs | 12:28 |
gabe | aha, thank you | 12:29 |
gabe | just one last thing | 12:29 |
gabe | what kind of things do you want reported exactly? I did get my mum to read some pages of this and she pointed out several punction errors. Such as improper use of ":" and ";" etc. Do you care about these, or should she ignore them? | 12:31 |
LaserJock | I think those are nice, I personally want stuff to be as polished as possible | 12:32 |
LaserJock | but it's nice to sort of so more than one at a time | 12:32 |
LaserJock | *do | 12:32 |
mdke_ | yes, any errors | 12:33 |
gabe | LaserJock: you mean report multiple errors in a single bug report? | 12:33 |
mdke_ | however, be aware that there are lots of different rules for punctuation | 12:33 |
mdke_ | what is wrong in British English is not necessarily wrong in American English, and vice versa | 12:33 |
gabe | mmmm | 12:33 |
gabe | mdke_: and which does Ubuntu Doc favour? | 12:34 |
mdke_ | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/styleguide-grammar.html | 12:34 |
gabe | :) | 12:34 |
mdke_ | american | 12:34 |
LaserJock | \o/ | 12:34 |
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mdke_ | there are probably lots of failures to comply with our guide though, so pointing those out will be helpful | 12:34 |
LaserJock | mdke_: ok, so I believe with the current setup, no docs from edubuntu-docs show up in the Yelp frontpage | 12:35 |
LaserJock | mdke_: if you do a search they show up pretty well | 12:36 |
mdke_ | yes, that's right | 12:36 |
LaserJock | now, how is that frontpage determined? is there code involved? | 12:36 |
mdke_ | yes, it's currently hardcoded | 12:37 |
LaserJock | I was wondering if you could do some sort of "if edubuntu-docs; then ...." | 12:37 |
mdke_ | my idea would be to determine the list according to what is installed in scrollkeeper | 12:37 |
mdke_ | but Don has not yet got back to me | 12:37 |
LaserJock | hardcoded in the yelp source? | 12:37 |
mdke_ | yes, in Yelp | 12:37 |
LaserJock | well, it looks pretty decent as is though | 12:38 |
LaserJock | before they were all jumbled together | 12:38 |
mdke_ | I have the following plan | 12:38 |
mdke_ | (a) wait for Don to get back, chase him more | 12:39 |
mdke_ | (b) try and do it myself, see how it goes | 12:39 |
mdke_ | (c) resign to defeat but think, "hey, it's still better than Edgy" | 12:39 |
mdke_ | worst case scenario isn't that bad, but hopefully we can do (a) or (b) | 12:40 |
LaserJock | well, I think (c) isn't tragic, so that's cool | 12:40 |
mdke_ | we'll see. (c) would mean doing it without fail in the next release | 12:40 |
LaserJock | is it toc.xml? | 12:40 |
gabe | could I just ask, what is the easiest way to write docbook? Is there a WSYIWYG editor, or do most ppl just use something like gedit? | 12:40 |
mdke_ | toc.xml.in, among other files | 12:40 |
mdke_ | gabe: there isn't a very good wysiwyg editor | 12:41 |
mdke_ | I use gedit myself | 12:41 |
mdke_ | I'm off to bed | 12:41 |
LaserJock | cya mdke_ | 12:41 |
gabe | g'night | 12:41 |
gabe | LaserJock: do you know if it's hard to get going with subversion? | 12:42 |
LaserJock | gabe: I found it pretty easy myself | 12:43 |
LaserJock | gabe: our usage is very basic | 12:43 |
LaserJock | for subversion | 12:43 |
gabe | ah did you follow some instructions for it? | 12:43 |
LaserJock | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh | 12:44 |
LaserJock | doh, that's wrong | 12:44 |
LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository | 12:45 |
LaserJock | gabe: that one ^^ | 12:45 |
gabe | ok, thanks, I'm looking at it now | 12:45 |
gabe | ahh yes, very informative | 12:45 |
gabe | I was wondering, I would like to contribute to Ubuntu myself. I am useless at programming, but good with writing. Do you know if there is some documentation I could help to write? | 12:46 |
LaserJock | there's always lots of things | 12:47 |
LaserJock | the help wiki is a good place to get started | 12:48 |
LaserJock | help.ubuntu.com/community/ | 12:48 |
gabe | mmmm | 12:48 |
gabe | I don't quite understand something | 12:48 |
gabe | if I can use svn to get the documentation then I can alter it. How does that then get processed in to the proper documentation? | 12:48 |
LaserJock | well, you send a patch (you get that from svn diff) and we'll apply it to the repo | 12:49 |
gabe | ahh this sounds good | 12:50 |
LaserJock | then it gets periodically built into the ubuntu-docs package | 12:50 |
gabe | does one submit a patch using svn? | 12:50 |
LaserJock | no | 12:50 |
LaserJock | you create the patch via svn then send it to the mailing list | 12:50 |
gabe | and the patch would be an entire xml document? | 12:50 |
LaserJock | once you've shown you know what you're doing and want to continue working with the team you can get svn write access | 12:51 |
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gabe | LaserJock: sounds good | 12:51 |
LaserJock | gabe: it looks something like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2007-March/003409.html | 12:51 |
gabe | LaserJock: does the project need any help in translating to Chinese, as I may be able to assist with that also? | 12:51 |
LaserJock | there is always a need for translation | 12:52 |
LaserJock | translation in Ubuntu is done via Rosetta on Launchpad | 12:52 |
gabe | ok | 12:52 |
gabe | something else for me to look in to | 12:53 |
gabe | but I'm beginning to see the bigger picture with this svn stuff etc | 12:53 |
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LaserJock | the svn is just for docs shipped on the CD | 12:54 |
LaserJock | the doc team also has the help wiki with loads more stuff | 12:54 |
gabe | i see | 12:54 |
gabe | and how is the wiki updated and changed? Does that need special write permission also? | 12:55 |
LaserJock | nope | 12:55 |
LaserJock | in fact, anybody with a Launchpad account can edit it | 12:55 |
gabe | ahhh | 12:55 |
gabe | this might be a perfect way to start my mum off | 12:55 |
gabe | it means she can read an entire document and make necessary improvements herself | 12:56 |
LaserJock | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations | 12:56 |
gabe | and it has a kind of built-in WSIWYG | 12:56 |
gabe | i don't quite understand... | 12:59 |
gabe | the translations on rosetta are translations of just one or two words, perhaps just one sentence - is that right? | 12:59 |
LaserJock | yep | 01:01 |
LaserJock | it's broken up into thousands of chuncks | 01:01 |
gabe | yes | 01:01 |
LaserJock | *chunks | 01:01 |
gabe | but surely that would give poor translations | 01:01 |
gabe | it loses context | 01:01 |
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LaserJock | gabe: that can be a problem yes | 01:02 |
gabe | mmm | 01:02 |
LaserJock | I honestly don't know anything about the translations | 01:02 |
LaserJock | I'm just a poor unilingual American | 01:02 |
gabe | LaserJock: that's ok :) | 01:03 |
gabe | but do you know how I find a translation that needs doing? All that I look at already have translations | 01:03 |
LaserJock | I think you have to look at the status bars | 01:04 |
gabe | ahh umm | 01:05 |
gabe | purple means... | 01:05 |
gabe | green means... | 01:05 |
LaserJock | I think there is a #ubuntu-translators channel | 01:05 |
LaserJock | they would probably know | 01:05 |
LaserJock | I'm just clueless | 01:05 |
gabe | aha thanks a lot anyway | 01:05 |
gabe | you've helped me so much | 01:05 |
LaserJock | no problem | 01:07 |
LaserJock | thanks for dropping by | 01:07 |
LaserJock | and tell your mum we look forward to seeing her work ;-) | 01:07 |
gabe | hehe I will! | 01:07 |
gabe | do you also think it's best if she starts with the wiki? | 01:07 |
LaserJock | perhaps | 01:17 |
LaserJock | the only thing is the wiki is more dynamic | 01:17 |
LaserJock | so she might make some minor changes and then have the blown away when somebody changes it around | 01:18 |
LaserJock | so for proofreading, in general I think it's better to go with the svn docs | 01:18 |
gabe | oh i see | 01:20 |
gabe | LaserJock: is there some instructions on how to send patches to the mail list? | 01:21 |
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LaserJock | gabe: it should be on that wiki page I gave you DocumentationTeam/Repository | 01:24 |
gabe | right | 01:24 |
gabe | ok | 01:24 |
gabe | thanks a lot | 01:24 |
gabe | looking forward to getting started | 01:24 |
gabe | only thing is I must learn it all myself first so I can teach ol' ma :) | 01:25 |
LaserJock | :-) | 01:26 |
nixternal | big transfer | 01:31 |
nixternal | I hope CIA doesn't list everyone | 01:31 |
LaserJock | muwahahaha | 01:32 |
Admiral_Chicago | richard, got time for a question? | 01:32 |
nixternal | nope | 01:32 |
nixternal | ;p | 01:32 |
nixternal | what is it | 01:32 |
Admiral_Chicago | okay, so I want to get emails about the changes to any MozillaTeam pages. How can I subscribe that way on the wiki page | 01:33 |
nixternal | Transmitting file data ....................................................................... | 01:33 |
nixternal | you know it is a biggen if it is doing that :) | 01:33 |
Admiral_Chicago | I tried MozillaTeam* but that doesn't do it. | 01:33 |
nixternal | I think you go to your personal settings on the wiki | 01:33 |
nixternal | and then do MozillaTeam/.* | 01:33 |
Admiral_Chicago | ah /.* | 01:33 |
Admiral_Chicago | okay | 01:33 |
nixternal | learn your regex | 01:34 |
Admiral_Chicago | regex? | 01:34 |
nixternal | #@)*#@ | 01:34 |
LaserJock | works for shells, should work for wiki pages | 01:34 |
nixternal | hehe | 01:34 |
LaserJock | Admiral_Chicago: regular expression | 01:34 |
Admiral_Chicago | yea, thats why I tried the * | 01:34 |
nixternal | sed -e 's/.*: //' | 01:34 |
nixternal | oh man, I don't think this is going to be good | 01:35 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3896 kubuntu/ (259 files in 3 dirs): cleaning up images (old) and adding k3b.png | 01:35 |
nixternal | whew | 01:35 |
nixternal | just a lil line, thank goodness | 01:35 |
Admiral_Chicago | LaserJock: i know what regular expressions are, not the portmanteau | 01:35 |
nixternal | regex == regular expressions | 01:36 |
Admiral_Chicago | to be fair, I have been working on getting my *nix skills up (why do RPGs come to mind...) | 01:36 |
Admiral_Chicago | i've been trying to level up my *nix ability. | 01:36 |
nixternal | I have been trying for years | 01:38 |
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CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3897 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml): multimedia doc complete - ready for review - added new menu entries | 02:59 |
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nixternal | getting close now | 03:25 |
LaserJock | wahoo | 03:25 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3898 kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu.xml: fixed for validation | 03:29 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3899 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added sect ids | 03:34 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3900 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added caption to image | 03:35 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3901 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent office/C/office.xml): office section complete - ready for review - added new menu items | 03:55 |
nixternal | and another one bites the dust | 03:56 |
nixternal | LaserJock: it is starting to look like I may have some Handbook time left in me before the week is through :) | 03:57 |
Admiral_Chicago | system settings should be done for Kubuntu (mostly) | 03:59 |
Admiral_Chicago | i just emailed what I had to ^^ | 03:59 |
Admiral_Chicago | rock. see ya all later | 04:00 |
nixternal | rock on | 04:01 |
nixternal | Admiral_Chicago: where is the general settings section? | 04:08 |
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Admiral_Chicago | nixternal: i sent that to you a while ago | 04:56 |
Admiral_Chicago | nixternal: i sent it all in small bits. i'll send a batch again | 04:57 |
Admiral_Chicago | nixternal: sent againt | 05:01 |
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mdke_ | Admiral_Chicago: if you are doing some doc patches, feel free to send them to the list - that way we can see your work and get to know what you are doing | 10:34 |
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mdke_ | anyone know anything about compiz? | 11:17 |
mdke_ | nixternal: how about just deleting the unused images? we have them in the branches for previous releases if you want to find them again | 11:22 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3903 /trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs): adding a document about compiz, needs material | 11:23 |
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Admiral_Chicago | mdke: what do you need about compiz | 05:41 |
Admiral_Chicago | and my doc work isn't anything major, but i'll keep that in mind | 05:41 |
mdke | Admiral_Chicago: see the mailing list | 05:47 |
mdke | gtg now | 05:47 |
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nixternal | mdke: lol, I was thinking about that last night laying in bed. the unused dir that is. I am going to do it today | 06:39 |
nixternal | hiya jjesse | 06:39 |
jjesse | hiya | 06:39 |
jjesse | finally got a temp replacement computer from work | 06:40 |
jjesse | need to do some serious doc work this weekend :( | 06:40 |
nixternal | you are still working on the bood ey? | 06:40 |
nixternal | I am doing serious doc work as well today and tomorrow as well | 06:40 |
jjesse | yeah still working on teh book due to the fact my laptop was down all week while i was in utah | 06:41 |
jjesse | i was working on reading some of the current docs | 06:42 |
Admiral_Chicago | why are you thinking about doc work while lying in bed? | 06:42 |
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nixternal | yes I think I might | 06:45 |
nixternal | my new hobby will be a help system for KDE4 | 06:46 |
jjesse | maybe you need a hobby that is !ubuntu :) | 06:46 |
jjesse | like a life | 06:46 |
nixternal | lol | 06:46 |
nixternal | see, it goes Life (fam, friends, and school), Linux, KDE, Kubuntu...... | 06:47 |
nixternal | it all ties in perfectly | 06:47 |
nixternal | heh, mdke I am going to borrow your basic-commands | 06:49 |
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Laser_away | jjesse: nixternal have a life?!? surely you are joking ;-) | 07:42 |
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somerville32 | mdke: Did you get my e-mail? :) | 07:43 |
LaserJock | hi somerville32 | 07:44 |
somerville32 | Hi LaserJock :) | 07:44 |
LaserJock | somerville32: how are you? | 07:45 |
somerville32 | I'm doing alright. | 07:45 |
somerville32 | Still in the hospital, I'm afraid | 07:45 |
LaserJock | :( | 07:45 |
LaserJock | how long have you been there? | 07:45 |
somerville32 | A month | 07:48 |
LaserJock | yikes! | 07:48 |
LaserJock | sounds serious :( | 07:48 |
somerville32 | hopefully they'll let me out soon :) | 07:49 |
nixternal | LaserJock: watch it now ;p | 08:10 |
LaserJock | :-) | 08:10 |
nixternal | hiya somerville32! | 08:10 |
somerville32 | Hiya nixternal | 08:11 |
nixternal | a month in the hospital!! jeesh, everything OK? | 08:11 |
nixternal | heh, and you are on IRC | 08:11 |
nixternal | dude, when my mom was just in the hospital, we couldn't even have our cell phones on | 08:11 |
somerville32 | nixternal: They gave me a little office to work in, haha | 08:12 |
nixternal | lol | 08:14 |
nixternal | that is sad | 08:14 |
somerville32 | : ) | 08:16 |
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CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3905 kubuntu/ (6 files in 6 dirs): spring cleaning | 09:03 |
somerville32 | :) | 09:10 |
LaserJock | argg, the always looming String Freeze | 09:13 |
LaserJock | somehow I always think of String Theory | 09:13 |
LaserJock | maybe Ubuntu documentation is some singularity that's cause a black hole | 09:13 |
LaserJock | *causing | 09:13 |
nixternal | lol | 09:14 |
nixternal | 5 days until freeze | 09:14 |
somerville32 | Wee :) | 09:20 |
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somerville32 | lo mdke_ | 09:27 |
CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3906 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: link fixing - thanks Phil | 10:17 |
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jjesse | nixternal: awesome job on all of the updates that i'm seeing on kubuntu docs | 11:29 |
nixternal | why thank you | 11:29 |
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nixternal | they haven't been easy | 11:29 |
jjesse | i now have 62 screenshots for the book to take today :( | 11:29 |
nixternal | some have been, but some haven't | 11:29 |
jjesse | downloading herd5 as we speak | 11:29 |
nixternal | fun | 11:29 |
jjesse | your work has been a great help for working on the book | 11:29 |
nixternal | it took me 3+ hours yesterday to download herd5 | 11:29 |
jjesse | d'oh | 11:30 |
nixternal | 50+k the entire time | 11:30 |
jjesse | yeah i'm at 65k/sec | 11:30 |
jjesse | time to go get wife up from her nap :) | 11:30 |
jjesse | brb | 11:30 |
nixternal | hehe, I need to start a load of laundry | 11:31 |
jjesse | i'm doing the laundry that i took to salt lake so i can pack it all back up for 3 weeks in columbus ohio | 11:33 |
nixternal | sounds like fun | 11:33 |
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jjesse | what's not ffun is the drive home and back i'll be making every weekend | 11:35 |
nixternal | oh ya, it is a good 6 hour drive for me I think | 11:36 |
jjesse | little under 5 for me | 11:36 |
jjesse | i'm doing it so i can see my wife isntead of missing her for 3 weeks | 11:36 |
nixternal | awwww | 11:37 |
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Admiral_Chicago | lol | 11:38 |
jjesse | no whip cracking | 11:38 |
nixternal | jjesse: that's what we always say, but we know the truth | 11:38 |
jjesse | comming home cause i want to | 11:38 |
jjesse | no seriously try living in a hotel for 3 weeks straight | 11:38 |
nixternal | there was a guy in #kubuntu last night from GR | 11:38 |
jjesse | yeah? | 11:38 |
nixternal | jjesse: I did, for just over a month, I hated it | 11:38 |
jjesse | that's why i'm comming home | 11:39 |
jjesse | in march and april i have 40 days of hotel book | 11:39 |
nixternal | oh wow, that is something I do not miss | 11:39 |
jjesse | puts me up to gold in marriot point status | 11:39 |
nixternal | lol | 11:39 |
jjesse | oooo michigan is still beating ohio state | 11:39 |
nixternal | my points are pretty much gone now | 11:39 |
jjesse | i'm pushing 75k | 11:40 |
jjesse | in under a year | 11:40 |
nixternal | I bought a snow blower, cobra golf clubs, 3 iPods, and a digital camera with mine | 11:40 |
jjesse | nice | 11:40 |
nixternal | holy smokes that is a lot for 1 year | 11:40 |
nixternal | someone stole the snowblower | 11:40 |
nixternal | lol | 11:40 |
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jjesse | bummer on that | 11:40 |
nixternal | dude, I blew snow, came in for a warm up, went out and it was gone | 11:40 |
Admiral_Chicago | hahaha | 11:41 |
nixternal | Admiral_Chicago: prolly was your people ;) | 11:41 |
nixternal | hahahahaha | 11:41 |
Admiral_Chicago | thats why I hide | 11:41 |
nixternal | lol | 11:41 |
nixternal | your brother would be screaming racist | 11:41 |
nixternal | haha | 11:41 |
nixternal | laundry is calling | 11:42 |
nixternal | back in a few | 11:42 |
Admiral_Chicago | speaking of which, I'm going to find him | 11:42 |
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