[12:16] <gabe> :) thanks :)
[12:16] <mdke_> long journey?
[12:16] <gabe> mmm convoluted, I'd say
[12:17] <gabe> had a little trouble with the old daily builds of feisty
[12:19] <gabe> now, I was hoping that you would be able to give me a little direction. Actually, I wanted to get my mother involved in the documentation effort because she is great at proof reading things. Problem is: do I have to teach here how to use subversion?
[12:19] <gabe> *teach her how to use*
[12:19] <mdke_> no, certainly not
[12:19] <gabe> that's a relief
[12:19] <mdke_> our work in progress documentation is hosted at http://doc.ubuntu.com
[12:19] <gabe> yes...
[12:20] <mdke_> she can just read through and you can point her to the bug filing page, or she can email us
[12:20] <gabe> I was just going to say that I'd followed all kinds of links from there
[12:20] <gabe> thing is, I really think should could make some useful contribution, but getting her to use subversion would be something of a nightmare
[12:21] <gabe> OK, I see
[12:21] <gabe> just to make it crystal clear: I get her to read the documentation at doc.ubuntu.com, particularly  the stuff on the right-hand side
[12:22] <gabe> and when she finds things she thinks need correcting she should...?
[12:23] <mdke_> file a bug or email our mailing list
[12:23] <mdke_> preferably the former, but the latter if the former is too difficult
[12:24] <gabe> ok, and could you give me the address for bug reporting, please
[12:28] <mdke_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bugs
[12:29] <gabe> aha, thank you
[12:29] <gabe> just one last thing
[12:31] <gabe> what kind of things do you want reported exactly?   I did get my mum to read some pages of this and she pointed out several punction errors. Such as improper use of ":" and ";" etc. Do you care about these, or should she ignore them?
[12:32] <LaserJock> I think those are nice, I personally want stuff to be as polished as possible
[12:32] <LaserJock> but it's nice to sort of so more than one at a time
[12:32] <LaserJock> *do
[12:33] <mdke_> yes, any errors
[12:33] <gabe> LaserJock: you mean report multiple errors in a single bug report?
[12:33] <mdke_> however, be aware that there are lots of different rules for punctuation
[12:33] <mdke_> what is wrong in British English is not necessarily wrong in American English, and vice versa
[12:33] <gabe> mmmm
[12:34] <gabe> mdke_: and which does Ubuntu Doc favour?
[12:34] <mdke_> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/styleguide-grammar.html
[12:34] <gabe> :)
[12:34] <mdke_> american
[12:34] <LaserJock> \o/
[12:34] <mdke_> there are probably lots of failures to comply with our guide though, so pointing those out will be helpful
[12:35] <LaserJock> mdke_: ok, so I believe with the current setup, no docs from edubuntu-docs show up in the Yelp frontpage
[12:36] <LaserJock> mdke_: if you do a search they show up pretty well
[12:36] <mdke_> yes, that's right
[12:36] <LaserJock> now, how is that frontpage determined? is there code involved?
[12:37] <mdke_> yes, it's currently hardcoded
[12:37] <LaserJock> I was wondering if you could do some sort of "if edubuntu-docs; then ...."
[12:37] <mdke_> my idea would be to determine the list according to what is installed in scrollkeeper
[12:37] <mdke_> but Don has not yet got back to me
[12:37] <LaserJock> hardcoded in the yelp source?
[12:37] <mdke_> yes, in Yelp
[12:38] <LaserJock> well, it looks pretty decent as is though
[12:38] <LaserJock> before they were all jumbled together
[12:38] <mdke_> I have the following plan
[12:39] <mdke_> (a) wait for Don to get back, chase him more
[12:39] <mdke_> (b) try and do it myself, see how it goes
[12:39] <mdke_> (c) resign to defeat but think, "hey, it's still better than Edgy"
[12:40] <mdke_> worst case scenario isn't that bad, but hopefully we can do (a) or (b)
[12:40] <LaserJock> well, I think (c) isn't tragic, so that's cool
[12:40] <mdke_> we'll see. (c) would mean doing it without fail in the next release
[12:40] <LaserJock> is it toc.xml?
[12:40] <gabe> could I just ask, what is the easiest way to write docbook? Is there a WSYIWYG editor, or do most ppl just use something like gedit?
[12:40] <mdke_> toc.xml.in, among other files
[12:41] <mdke_> gabe: there isn't a very good wysiwyg editor
[12:41] <mdke_> I use gedit myself
[12:41] <mdke_> I'm off to bed
[12:41] <LaserJock> cya mdke_
[12:41] <gabe> g'night
[12:42] <gabe> LaserJock: do you know if it's hard to get going with subversion?
[12:43] <LaserJock> gabe: I found it pretty easy myself
[12:43] <LaserJock> gabe: our usage is very basic
[12:43] <LaserJock> for subversion
[12:43] <gabe> ah did you follow some instructions for it?
[12:44] <LaserJock> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[12:44] <LaserJock> doh, that's wrong
[12:45] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[12:45] <LaserJock> gabe: that one ^^
[12:45] <gabe> ok, thanks, I'm looking at it now
[12:45] <gabe> ahh yes, very informative
[12:46] <gabe> I was wondering, I would like to contribute to Ubuntu myself. I am useless at programming, but good with writing. Do you know if there is some documentation I could help to write?
[12:47] <LaserJock> there's always lots of things
[12:48] <LaserJock> the help wiki is a good place to get started
[12:48] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com/community/
[12:48] <gabe> mmmm
[12:48] <gabe> I don't quite understand something
[12:48] <gabe> if I can use svn to get the documentation then I can alter it. How does that then get processed in to the proper documentation?
[12:49] <LaserJock> well, you send a patch (you get that from svn diff) and we'll apply it to the repo
[12:50] <gabe> ahh this sounds good
[12:50] <LaserJock> then it gets periodically built into the ubuntu-docs package
[12:50] <gabe> does one submit a patch using svn?
[12:50] <LaserJock> no
[12:50] <LaserJock> you create the patch via svn then send it to the mailing list
[12:50] <gabe> and the patch would be an entire xml document?
[12:51] <LaserJock> once you've shown you know what you're doing and want to continue working with the team you can get svn write access
[12:51] <gabe> LaserJock: sounds good
[12:51] <LaserJock> gabe: it looks something like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2007-March/003409.html
[12:51] <gabe> LaserJock: does the project need any help in translating to Chinese, as I may be able to assist with that also?
[12:52] <LaserJock> there is always a need for translation
[12:52] <LaserJock> translation in Ubuntu is done via Rosetta on Launchpad
[12:52] <gabe> ok
[12:53] <gabe> something else for me to look in to
[12:53] <gabe> but I'm beginning to see the bigger picture with this svn stuff etc
[12:53] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3895 kubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: kubuntu hardware section complete - ready for review
[12:54] <LaserJock> the svn is just for docs shipped on the CD
[12:54] <LaserJock> the doc team also has the help wiki with loads more stuff
[12:54] <gabe> i see
[12:55] <gabe> and how is the wiki updated and changed? Does that need special write permission also?
[12:55] <LaserJock> nope
[12:55] <LaserJock> in fact, anybody with a Launchpad account can edit it
[12:55] <gabe> ahhh
[12:55] <gabe> this might be a perfect way to start my mum off
[12:56] <gabe> it means she can read an entire document and make necessary improvements herself
[12:56] <LaserJock> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations
[12:56] <gabe> and it has a kind of built-in WSIWYG
[12:59] <gabe> i don't quite understand...
[12:59] <gabe> the translations on rosetta are translations of just one or two words, perhaps just one sentence - is that right?
[01:01] <LaserJock> yep
[01:01] <LaserJock> it's broken up into thousands of chuncks
[01:01] <gabe> yes
[01:01] <LaserJock> *chunks
[01:01] <gabe> but surely that would give poor translations
[01:01] <gabe> it loses context
[01:02] <LaserJock> gabe: that can be a problem yes
[01:02] <gabe> mmm
[01:02] <LaserJock> I honestly don't know anything about the translations
[01:02] <LaserJock> I'm just a poor unilingual American
[01:03] <gabe> LaserJock: that's ok :)
[01:03] <gabe> but do you know how I find a translation that needs doing? All that I look at already have translations
[01:04] <LaserJock> I think you have to look at the status bars
[01:05] <gabe> ahh umm
[01:05] <gabe> purple means...
[01:05] <gabe> green means...
[01:05] <LaserJock> I think there is a #ubuntu-translators channel
[01:05] <LaserJock> they would probably know
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm just clueless
[01:05] <gabe> aha thanks a lot anyway
[01:05] <gabe> you've helped me so much
[01:07] <LaserJock> no problem
[01:07] <LaserJock> thanks for dropping by
[01:07] <LaserJock> and tell your mum we look forward to seeing her work ;-)
[01:07] <gabe> hehe I will!
[01:07] <gabe> do you also think it's best if she starts with the wiki?
[01:17] <LaserJock> perhaps
[01:17] <LaserJock> the only thing is the wiki is more dynamic
[01:18] <LaserJock> so she might make some minor changes and then have the blown away when somebody changes it around
[01:18] <LaserJock> so for proofreading, in general I think it's better to go with the svn docs
[01:20] <gabe> oh i see
[01:21] <gabe> LaserJock: is there some instructions on how to send patches to the mail list?
[01:24] <LaserJock> gabe: it should be on that wiki page I gave you  DocumentationTeam/Repository
[01:24] <gabe> right
[01:24] <gabe> ok
[01:24] <gabe> thanks a lot
[01:24] <gabe> looking forward to getting started
[01:25] <gabe> only thing is I must learn it all myself first so I can teach ol' ma :)
[01:26] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:31] <nixternal> big transfer
[01:31] <nixternal> I hope CIA doesn't list everyone
[01:32] <LaserJock> muwahahaha
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> richard, got time for a question?
[01:32] <nixternal> nope
[01:32] <nixternal> ;p
[01:32] <nixternal> what is it
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, so I want to get emails about the changes to any MozillaTeam pages. How can I subscribe that way on the wiki page
[01:33] <nixternal> Transmitting file data .......................................................................
[01:33] <nixternal> you know it is a biggen if it is doing that :)
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> I tried MozillaTeam* but that doesn't do it.
[01:33] <nixternal> I think you go to your personal settings on the wiki
[01:33] <nixternal> and then do MozillaTeam/.*
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> ah /.*
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[01:34] <nixternal> learn your regex
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> regex?
[01:34] <nixternal> #@)*#@
[01:34] <LaserJock> works for shells, should work for wiki pages
[01:34] <nixternal> hehe
[01:34] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: regular expression
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, thats why I tried the *
[01:34] <nixternal> sed -e 's/.*: //'
[01:35] <nixternal> oh man, I don't think this is going to be good
[01:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3896 kubuntu/ (259 files in 3 dirs): cleaning up images (old) and adding k3b.png
[01:35] <nixternal> whew
[01:35] <nixternal> just a lil line, thank goodness
[01:35] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: i know what regular expressions are, not the portmanteau
[01:36] <nixternal> regex == regular expressions
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> to be fair, I have been working on getting my *nix skills up (why do RPGs come to mind...)
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i've been trying to level up my *nix ability.
[01:38] <nixternal> I have been trying for years
[02:59] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3897 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml): multimedia doc complete - ready for review - added new menu entries
[03:25] <nixternal> getting close now
[03:25] <LaserJock> wahoo
[03:29] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3898 kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu.xml: fixed for validation
[03:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3899 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added sect ids
[03:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3900 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: added caption to image
[03:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3901 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent office/C/office.xml): office section complete - ready for review - added new menu items
[03:56] <nixternal> and another one bites the dust
[03:57] <nixternal> LaserJock: it is starting to look like I may have some Handbook time left in me before the week is through :)
[03:59] <Admiral_Chicago> system settings should be done for Kubuntu (mostly)
[03:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i just emailed what I had to ^^
[04:00] <Admiral_Chicago> rock. see ya all later
[04:01] <nixternal> rock on
[04:08] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: where is the general settings section?
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i sent that to you a while ago
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i sent it all in small bits. i'll send a batch again
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: sent againt
[05:20] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3902 kubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: removed nvidia and ati binary info - replaced with links - to dangerous to document in system docs
[10:34] <mdke_> Admiral_Chicago: if you are doing some doc patches, feel free to send them to the list - that way we can see your work and get to know what you are doing
[11:17] <mdke_> anyone know anything about compiz?
[11:22] <mdke_> nixternal: how about just deleting the unused images? we have them in the branches for previous releases if you want to find them again
[11:23] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3903 /trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs): adding a document about compiz, needs material
[12:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3904 /trunk/ (21 files in 21 dirs): refreshing pot templates
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> mdke: what do you need about compiz
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> and my doc work isn't anything major, but i'll keep that in mind
[05:47] <mdke> Admiral_Chicago: see the mailing list
[05:47] <mdke> gtg now
[06:39] <nixternal> mdke: lol, I was thinking about that last night laying in bed. the unused dir that is. I am going to do it today
[06:39] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[06:39] <jjesse> hiya
[06:40] <jjesse> finally got a temp replacement computer from work
[06:40] <jjesse> need to do some serious doc work this weekend :(
[06:40] <nixternal> you are still working on the bood ey?
[06:40] <nixternal> I am doing serious doc work as well today and tomorrow as well
[06:41] <jjesse> yeah still working on teh book due to the fact my laptop was down all week while i was in utah
[06:42] <jjesse> i was working on reading some of the current docs
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> why are you thinking about doc work while lying in bed?
[06:45] <nixternal> yes I think I might
[06:46] <nixternal> my new hobby will be a help system for KDE4
[06:46] <jjesse> maybe you need a hobby that is !ubuntu :)
[06:46] <jjesse> like a life
[06:46] <nixternal> lol
[06:47] <nixternal> see, it goes Life (fam, friends, and school), Linux, KDE, Kubuntu......
[06:47] <nixternal> it all ties in perfectly
[06:49] <nixternal> heh, mdke I am going to borrow your basic-commands
[07:42] <Laser_away> jjesse: nixternal have a life?!? surely you are joking ;-)
[07:43] <somerville32> mdke: Did you get my e-mail? :)
[07:44] <LaserJock> hi somerville32
[07:44] <somerville32> Hi LaserJock :)
[07:45] <LaserJock> somerville32: how are you?
[07:45] <somerville32> I'm doing alright.
[07:45] <somerville32> Still in the hospital, I'm afraid
[07:45] <LaserJock> :(
[07:45] <LaserJock> how long have you been there?
[07:48] <somerville32> A month
[07:48] <LaserJock> yikes!
[07:48] <LaserJock> sounds serious :(
[07:49] <somerville32> hopefully they'll let me out soon :)
[08:10] <nixternal> LaserJock: watch it now ;p
[08:10] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:10] <nixternal> hiya somerville32!
[08:11] <somerville32> Hiya nixternal
[08:11] <nixternal> a month in the hospital!! jeesh, everything OK?
[08:11] <nixternal> heh, and you are on IRC
[08:11] <nixternal> dude, when my mom was just in the hospital, we couldn't even have our cell phones on
[08:12] <somerville32> nixternal: They gave me a little office to work in, haha
[08:14] <nixternal> lol
[08:14] <nixternal> that is sad
[08:16] <somerville32> : )
[09:03] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3905 kubuntu/ (6 files in 6 dirs): spring cleaning
[09:10] <somerville32> :)
[09:13] <LaserJock> argg, the always looming String Freeze
[09:13] <LaserJock> somehow I always think of String Theory
[09:13] <LaserJock> maybe Ubuntu documentation is some singularity that's cause a black hole
[09:13] <LaserJock> *causing
[09:14] <nixternal> lol
[09:14] <nixternal> 5 days until freeze
[09:20] <somerville32> Wee :)
[09:27] <somerville32> lo mdke_
[10:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3906 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: link fixing - thanks Phil
[11:29] <jjesse> nixternal: awesome job on all of the updates that i'm seeing on kubuntu docs
[11:29] <nixternal> why thank you
[11:29] <nixternal> they haven't been easy
[11:29] <jjesse> i now have 62 screenshots for the book to take today :(
[11:29] <nixternal> some have been, but some haven't
[11:29] <jjesse> downloading herd5 as we speak
[11:29] <nixternal> fun
[11:29] <jjesse> your work has been a great help for working on the book
[11:29] <nixternal> it took me 3+ hours yesterday to download herd5
[11:30] <jjesse> d'oh
[11:30] <nixternal> 50+k the entire time
[11:30] <jjesse> yeah i'm at 65k/sec
[11:30] <jjesse> time to go get wife up from her nap :)
[11:30] <jjesse> brb
[11:31] <nixternal> hehe, I need to start a load of laundry
[11:33] <jjesse> i'm doing the laundry that i took to salt lake so i can pack it all back up for 3 weeks in columbus ohio
[11:33] <nixternal> sounds like fun
[11:35] <jjesse> what's not ffun is the drive home and back i'll be making every weekend
[11:36] <nixternal> oh ya, it is a good 6 hour drive for me I think
[11:36] <jjesse> little under 5 for me
[11:36] <jjesse> i'm doing it so i can see my wife isntead of missing her for 3 weeks
[11:37] <nixternal> awwww
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> lol
[11:38] <jjesse> no whip cracking
[11:38] <nixternal> jjesse: that's what we always say, but we know the truth
[11:38] <jjesse> comming home cause i want to
[11:38] <jjesse> no seriously try living in a hotel for 3 weeks straight
[11:38] <nixternal> there was a guy in #kubuntu last night from GR
[11:38] <jjesse> yeah?
[11:38] <nixternal> jjesse: I did, for just over a month, I hated it
[11:39] <jjesse> that's why i'm comming home
[11:39] <jjesse> in march and april i have 40 days of hotel book
[11:39] <nixternal> oh wow, that is something I do not miss
[11:39] <jjesse> puts me up to gold in marriot point status
[11:39] <nixternal> lol
[11:39] <jjesse> oooo michigan is still beating ohio state
[11:39] <nixternal> my points are pretty much gone now
[11:40] <jjesse> i'm pushing 75k
[11:40] <jjesse> in under a year
[11:40] <nixternal> I bought a snow blower, cobra golf clubs, 3 iPods, and a digital camera with mine
[11:40] <jjesse> nice
[11:40] <nixternal> holy smokes that is a lot for 1 year
[11:40] <nixternal> someone stole the snowblower
[11:40] <nixternal> lol
[11:40] <jjesse> bummer on that
[11:40] <nixternal> dude, I blew snow, came in for a warm up, went out and it was gone
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> hahaha
[11:41] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: prolly was your people ;)
[11:41] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> thats why I hide
[11:41] <nixternal> lol
[11:41] <nixternal> your brother would be screaming racist
[11:41] <nixternal> haha
[11:42] <nixternal> laundry is calling
[11:42] <nixternal> back in a few
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> speaking of which, I'm going to find him