| crimsun | geser: no need, tepsipakki et al. have it under wraps | 12:12 |
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| geser | ah, ok | 12:12 |
| crimsun | (unless you want a newer git snapshot?) | 12:12 |
| geser | I'm happy if 1.7.2 from Debian experimental gets in | 12:13 |
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| theCore | LaserJock: so, what happened with the Control Center? | 12:20 |
| theCore | what it removed because users complained about it? | 12:21 |
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| theCore | or it was simply a decision of the dev. to not include it? | 12:22 |
| geser | afaik it has some problems but I don't know exactly what problems | 12:22 |
| tepsipakki | upstream reverted the change.. | 12:23 |
| tepsipakki | you can still use the shell, just enable it from the menu editor | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | theCore: gnome decided not to use it as default | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | theCore: apparently it is supposed to be default again in 2.20 | 12:25 |
| theCore | LaserJock: ah, well. That makes sense | 12:25 |
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| theCore | is it just me, or the Preference and Administrator menus switched of place? | 12:26 |
| theCore | nevermind it is just me | 12:27 |
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| LaserJock | aww crapp | 12:57 |
| zul | hmm? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | I'm buying a computer for work and I just realized it'll have Vista on it | 12:58 |
| zul | no big deal get rid of it | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | well, I think we're actually going to keep it | 12:58 |
| ryanakca | lol | 12:58 |
| zul | LaserJock: herasy | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | when running debuild gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@kubuntu.org>": secret key not available ... what's wrong? | 12:59 |
| geser | to see how bad vista compares to a linux destkop with beryl? | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | my boss wants to try out th $1000 proprietary data acquisition program that pretty much everybody uses these days | 12:59 |
| zul | gpg doesnt know about the email address | 12:59 |
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| zul | LaserJock: *cough* wine *cough* | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | oops... oh well, gmail's spam filter is good enough | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | zul: hehe, they have a Linux version if I wanted it that bad | 01:00 |
| zul | oh you do ;) | 01:00 |
| ryanakca | zul: I have the secret key in my keyring. I can see it in kgpg, as well as sign/encrypt files to myself | 01:00 |
| xaraXXL | ntfs-3g gives me a very weird message on dapper: "To work at his full capability, ntfs-3g recommend a new fuse module." | 01:00 |
| zul | not a support channel dude | 01:00 |
| xaraXXL | my question is: why doesn't it install it by default. it's not a support question. | 01:01 |
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| ryanakca | hey Burgundavia | 01:01 |
| xaraXXL | zul: i know what i need to do, i'm only asking about its packaging | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | xaraXXL: look for a bug report on Launchpad | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | Is ntfs-3g actually in Dapper? | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | As far as I know it's not... | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | hey ryanakca | 01:02 |
| xaraXXL | ah, ok, so it's not universe | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | I thought I saw it | 01:02 |
| Fujitsu | It only appeared in Edgy. So any bug reports about Dapper will be immediately rejected. | 01:02 |
| xaraXXL | Fujitsu: the issue appeared in edgy? | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | No, ntfs-3g only appeared in Edgy. | 01:03 |
| xaraXXL | i see | 01:04 |
| xaraXXL | thanks | 01:04 |
| ScottK | Any suggestions on how to deal with a Universe package that won't install due to two dependencies that conflict and the dependencies are in Main? Bug 89341 | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89341 in griffith "Griffith uninstallable in Feisty due to dependency conflicts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89341 | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | it deps on both? | 01:06 |
| plugwash | what is the situation in debian? | 01:09 |
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| ScottK | Yes it deps on both | 01:12 |
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| plugwash | hmm | 01:13 |
| plugwash | debian:~# chroot /bigdrive/sid/ | 01:13 |
| plugwash | debian:/# apt-get install Griffith | 01:13 |
| plugwash | Reading package lists... Done | 01:13 |
| plugwash | Building dependency tree... Done | 01:13 |
| plugwash | E: Couldn't find package Griffith | 01:13 |
| plugwash | debian:/# | 01:13 |
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| plugwash | seems it isn't even in debian... | 01:15 |
| ScottK | Yes, it is - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/griffith | 01:15 |
| plugwash | ahh i see why its a capitalisation usee (the thing i copypasted from had the first letter capitalised) | 01:17 |
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| ScottK | The griffith package is the same as debian and the changelogs for the two dependencies lead me to believe they'll be the same in Debian. I'm curious what you find. | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: what are the deps? | 01:19 |
| plugwash | its installable on sid | 01:20 |
| plugwash | i was just doing a quick check in case he didn't have sid arround i don't want to get deeply involved | 01:20 |
| ScottK | python-pysqlite2 and python-sqlite | 01:20 |
| ScottK | plugwash: Thanks. I don't have sid | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | seems odd to dep on both | 01:21 |
| ScottK | Yep. And they conflict with each other (try to install the same file in pysupport because they provide the same python module name). | 01:22 |
| ScottK | Wife just called. I gotta run. Be back later... | 01:23 |
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| ryanakca | how do I fix gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@kubuntu@org>": secret key not available ? I can sign files with the Key, and I see it in KGPG... | 01:29 |
| Fujitsu | ryanakca, what is giving you that? pbuilder? | 01:29 |
| ryanakca | debuild -S -sa | 01:29 |
| Fujitsu | kubuntu@org? | 01:30 |
| Fujitsu | That looks wrong. | 01:30 |
| ryanakca | I know | 01:30 |
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| ryanakca | I put it that way because I've already pasted my real email in here | 01:30 |
| ryanakca | it's .org in the real error message | 01:30 |
| ryanakca | Hey Hobbsee | 01:30 |
| Fujitsu | Make sure your key has no comment, and that the name and email address are identical. | 01:30 |
| ryanakca | Ah, I have a comment, that's why | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: and try it with -k<email/keyid> | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: python-sqlite and python-pysqlite2 don't have Conflicts: with each other | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: but I don't understand why griffith would need both | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | hey ryanakca | 01:32 |
| ryanakca | LaserJock: it works with -k, thanks | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: that'll get around the problem | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: do you use a gpg agent? | 01:33 |
| ryanakca | yes | 01:33 |
| ryanakca | It didn't ask for a passphrase, so I know gpg agent works | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | ah, that's usually the problem | 01:34 |
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| geser | Hobbsee: as you deal with kubuntu: are there any plans to update klamav to work with clamav >= 0.90? | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | geser: good questoin. didnt know it existed | 02:01 |
| === Hobbsee looks further | ||
| geser | libclamav changed the soname from 1 to 2 | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | geser: i'll deal with it | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | geser: darn, i cant sync that from debian, that'll have to be a merge | 02:04 |
| geser | Debian bug #412856 has a patch for klamav 0.38 | 02:05 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 412856 in klamav "klamav: diff for NMU version 0.38-1.1" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/412856 | 02:05 |
| geser | there is also a new upstream version of klamav (0.41) for clamav >= 0.90 | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | right | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | so there is.... | 02:06 |
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: can you review my bzr-gtk? | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: we're in FF.... | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | is there a major need to? | 02:28 |
| ryanakca | no... is Universe frozen? | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | !feisty | 02:28 |
| ubotu | The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 | 02:28 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: It's missing a depends, aka, one of the apps in it doesn't run | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | yep. only new packages which are deemed Very Important will get in | 02:29 |
| Fujitsu | No new packages, except in exceptional circumstances. | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | oh, it's a bug fix, or new release? | 02:29 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: bug fix in packaging | 02:29 |
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| Fujitsu | Oh, that's OK. | 02:29 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: True. | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: got a debdiff? | 02:29 |
| ryanakca | ack'd? | 02:29 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: can I stick it on revu? | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: do you know how to do a debdiff? | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | is there already a bug for the packaging? | 02:30 |
| ryanakca | yes, debuild makes one | 02:30 |
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| Hobbsee | er, that makes a .diff.gz, which is different | 02:30 |
| ryanakca | ok, how? | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | you can run debdiff foo*.dsc > debdiff, and attach that to the bug report | 02:30 |
| Fujitsu | debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > blah.debdiff | 02:30 |
| zul | although it would be better to give it a name other than blah ;) | 02:32 |
| ryanakca | lol | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:32 |
| Fujitsu | Gah, why do people feel the need to file bugs that they need to install other libraries to get the LightScribe utilities working? | 02:34 |
| zul | just to annoy you | 02:35 |
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| ryanakca | lol | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: the bugs about "there are too many bugs in Ubuntu" are even better again | 02:36 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: should the debdiff include changes in debian/control? | 02:36 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: yes | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: basicly, the only change in the package is the addition of python-glade2 to Depends | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: ok... because... it doesn't seem to be showing up | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | gotcha | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | did you bump the changelog versoin? | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: I added a changelog entry, yes. old: 0.13.0-0ubuntu1, new: 0.13.0-0ubuntu2 | 02:39 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:46 |
| ryanakca | hey bddebian | 02:46 |
| pochu | hey bddebian :) | 02:46 |
| Fujitsu | Hi bddebian. | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:46 |
| bddebian | Hi ryanakca, pochu, Fujitsu, LaserJock :) | 02:47 |
| pochu | bddebian, anybody else: I have requested a sync: Bug #89226. It's confirmed by geser. What's the next? | 02:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89226 | 02:47 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8308/ | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: you need a uvf exception for it, i would expect | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: what's olive-gtk? | 02:50 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: it's a graphical interface for bzr. Pull, Push, Log, Diff, etc | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | bug 89332 | 02:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332 | 02:50 |
| ryanakca | Commit, Uncommit iirc | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: it's not in bzr-gtk thoguh... | 02:50 |
| ryanakca | It is... | 02:50 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: but that's not a new upstream version | 02:50 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: apt-get source bzr-gtk | 02:51 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: it's the same version, but with some fixes in debian... | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: ah | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: which conflicts olive, yes. | 02:51 |
| pochu | just we have 0.5.4-1 and debian has 0.5.4-4 :) | 02:51 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: should I do anything else, or you can already upload it? | 02:51 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: Well, there's the most recent version of it in the package bzr-gtk. | 02:52 |
| ryanakca | To run it you need to install python-glade2 | 02:52 |
| ryanakca | so, I added python-glade2 to the Depends | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: ahh. it's a sync request, so no, i cant upload it, not being an archive admin. subscribe ubuntu-archive if geser's ack'd it, and if they're not already subscribed, and wait | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: ahh, it's just not listed in debian/control | 02:52 |
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| pochu | Hobbsee: they are subscribed. ty! | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: done | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: no problem | 02:54 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: kk, thanks | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | Lutin: if you keep our fearless leader running errands all day he's not going to have time for Feisty+1 genius ;-) | 02:55 |
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| bddebian | We have a fearless leader? :-) | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | he did email opensuse-devel | 02:58 |
| zul | again? | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | no | 02:59 |
| Fujitsu | zul: I hope not. | 02:59 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: That does exhibit his fearlessness, certainly. | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | but I thought that would count as "fearless" | 02:59 |
| Fujitsu | Some people call it utter stupidity, unfortunately. | 03:00 |
| ryanakca | bug 89332 | 03:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332 | 03:00 |
| Lutin | LaserJock: hehe :) | 03:01 |
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| LaserJock | OT: anybody got a recommendation for a backup device like and external hard drive or something? | 03:22 |
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| ryanakca | LaserJock: Tape drive? | 03:27 |
| === ryanakca wonders if those still exist | ||
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| jdong | LaserJock: I personally vulture hard drves when they're on sale | 03:29 |
| jdong | LaserJock: and stick them in $10-$20 USB enclosures | 03:29 |
| jdong | DVD-R's and DVD+R DL's aren't bad for backups either | 03:29 |
| jdong | as long as it's not like a really regular backup routine | 03:30 |
| jdong | then it gets inconvenient | 03:30 |
| jdong | my last reel of 100 DVD-R's was $10 | 03:30 |
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| ryanakca | jdong: ??? it's 20$ for 80 here... | 03:37 |
| jdong | ryanakca: sales, buddy. | 03:38 |
| ryanakca | ah | 03:38 |
| ryanakca | lol | 03:38 |
| jdong | CompUSA cheap DVD-R's are actually pretty good | 03:38 |
| jdong | unlike their CD-R's | 03:38 |
| jdong | their CD-r's are utter crap | 03:38 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Turns out someone provided a patch while I was gone: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6605274/remove_egg_support.patch | 03:38 |
| ScottK | Now the trick is to get someone to apply it to python-sqlite (since it's in main) | 03:39 |
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| Adri2000 | see you everyone in one week! (holidays with no computer/internet) :) | 04:39 |
| Nafallo | *yawns* | 04:43 |
| Nafallo | what kind of freezes are we in ATM? :-) | 04:43 |
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| zakame | *munches* | 04:56 |
| jdong | Nafallo: well, flashplugin freezes on me once in a while... gspcav webcam drivers do to.... | 04:58 |
| jdong | Nafallo: so I'd say miscellaneous multimedia freezes | 04:58 |
| Nafallo | lol | 04:59 |
| Nafallo | jdong: not that kind of freezes, rather if ubuntuX increments are okey still :-) | 05:00 |
| jdong | lol | 05:00 |
| jdong | same diff :D | 05:00 |
| Nafallo | so... are they? :-) | 05:01 |
| === Nafallo puts finger on the enter-key | ||
| Nafallo | noone knows? ;-) | 05:03 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 05:05 |
| === Nafallo fires then :-P | ||
| Nafallo | lol | 05:06 |
| Nafallo | couldn't find dput ;-) | 05:06 |
| Nafallo | ffs | 05:06 |
| === Nafallo whips bddebian a bit to make him say something :-) | ||
| Nafallo | damnit! now he's never going to say something... forgot he likes that kind of stuff :-P | 05:07 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:08 |
| Nafallo | *s* | 05:08 |
| Nafallo | anyway, fired. if that was wrong someone would probably have to come here and kill me or something :-) | 05:09 |
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| LaserJock | Nafallo: we are just in UVF and NewPackagesFreeze | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | Nafallo: new -ubuntuX versions are fine | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | interesting post on Planet Debian: http://np237.livejournal.com/15073.html | 06:40 |
| joejaxx | lol | 06:41 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:41 |
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| bddebian | Gnight gang | 06:56 |
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| AnAnt | ajmitch: ping | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | I think he's gone for the weekend | 08:26 |
| AnAnt | ok | 08:26 |
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| imbrandon | moins peeps | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | Nafallo, long time no see | 09:56 |
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| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, any luck with mod_python | 10:07 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: oh, it's going | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | it's just a bit weird | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | cool | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | i'm just now getting arround to installing it | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | it's easy to make a .htaccess that load 1 .py | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | just 1? | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | but if you have more than 1 .py you want to be able to do it seems tricky | 10:11 |
| StevenK | Get the first to be a module that loads others. | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | cant you just | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | AddHandler mod_python .py | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | PythonHandler mod_python.publisher | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | ? | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | that didn't work for me, I don't think | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | StevenK's suggestion was the best I could come up with for my simple usage | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | hum | 10:13 |
| StevenK | mod_python is pretty crappy, anyway. | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | I just thought it was odd | 10:13 |
| StevenK | Use Rails. :-P | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | nah | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | ruby? | 10:13 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Yup. | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | bah not another scripting lang to learn | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | php or python is all for me | 10:13 |
| StevenK | PHP is not a scripting language. | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | i know php very well already | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | BS | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | i script in php everyday ;) | 10:14 |
| === StevenK denies PHP the right to exist. | ||
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I got a PHP5 book from the library today | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, rockin | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | i LOVE php | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | i even use it for cli stuff | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:15 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Insane. | 10:15 |
| StevenK | Learn shell programming, for the love of God. | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | nah , php-cli was made and maintained for a reason ;) | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | i do bash stuff soemtimes, but sometimes php is just simpler | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | specialy if i want info from say mysql | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | cool | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | I use python instead of shell scripts a lot of the time | 10:16 |
| imbrandon | oh wow | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | that was super simple | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | i just installed it and configured it and got it working without .htaccess in less than a minute | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/python/test.py | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | wahoo! | 10:22 |
| === imbrandon loves ubuntu servers sometimes | ||
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| imbrandon | given the .py was only ... | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | def index(req): return "Test successful"; | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | still works hehe | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: http://www.laserjock.us/python/test.py | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | but thats only for one file isnt it? | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | here is what i followed and it worked flawless in less than a minute http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=792999&postcount=3 | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | on my edgy server that runs imbrandon.com | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | what version of mod_python? | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | i just "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python" so what ever version that is in edgy | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | umm lemme look | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | Version: 3.2.8-1ubuntu2 | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | Depends: libapache2-mod-python2.4 (>= 3.2.8-1ubuntu2), python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5) | 10:31 |
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| imbrandon | is what it installed | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | I think I've got an old mod_python | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | you might have made the mistake that the first guy made and use apache-mod_python anot apache2-mod_python | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | e.g. not apache2 | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | [EDIT] WelterPelter, I just saw that you said you used libapache-mod-python2.4 which means you are using apache not apache2. I wrote this for apache2, I dont know how different they are but i guess it wont work, i suggest installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-python[/EDIT] | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | most likely you are using apache2 not apache ( hopefully ) | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm not positive | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: 1.3.36 | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: also got PHP4 and a 2.4 kernel | 10:37 |
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| imbrandon | ouch | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | not a server you have control over? | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | not a ton, no | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | I think it's running CentOS | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | hum apache 1.3 you say? yea you should be using apache-mod-python | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | wow | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | centos os old old old | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | move it to voyager ;) hehe or linode ;) | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | 'just teasin | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | well, I might ask about getting it updated | 10:42 |
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| LaserJock | not sure how huge it'd be | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | but it's kinda a drag | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | but as they say "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" | 10:43 |
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| imbrandon | hehe | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | well if you ever want i'll be happy to put it on my server | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | ( free or i wouldent be offering ) but thats upto you | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | no hurries, or anything, its a standing offer | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | if it dont work out for you etc etc etc | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | brb smoke break | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | nasty habit imbrandon | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | almost as bad as your Mt. Dew addiction ;-) | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | goodness | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | this bug really is maddening | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | an app can't find it's help | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | but if I run it from /usr/share/Xaos/ | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | it works | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | so it can find the help in ./ | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | but not otherwise | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | sounds liekt he working dir isnt getting updated | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea how to tell | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | but apparently it works if you build it from source | 10:54 |
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| LaserJock | what? | 10:57 |
| tbf | LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4544 | 10:57 |
| tbf | LaserJock: do I have to create a launchpad ticket for discussion? | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | no | 10:58 |
| tbf | LaserJock: cool. :-) | 10:58 |
| tbf | so I'll wait | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | its a merge or NEW package ? | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | NEW I think | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | clashing terminology | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:01 |
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| imbrandon | you know for ogg to work so well on linux its support sucks on windows/osx | 11:22 |
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| tbf | imbrandon: its suckage on non-free platforms is exactly the reason for ogg not to take off | 11:23 |
| sacater | tbf imbradon: ogg has taken off slightly, my mp3 player supports it, and its only 512mb, and 112 | 11:24 |
| sacater | 12* | 11:25 |
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| GNUro | 'morning! | 11:26 |
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| tbf | hmm. no. :-( | 11:33 |
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| shawarma | I've been thinking.... I maintain these network-manager-vpn plugins.. They've never been released, so the packages are based on an svn checkout. If it waas based on a release and a bug was filed, which was fixed in current svn, I'd just add that patch (using dpatch or something) and upload it, since it's not a new upstream version.. But since this is based on a svn checkout (with upstream version set to e.g. 0.3.2svn2342) it's not that easy.. Basicall | 12:10 |
| shawarma | I *could* of course just add the relevant patches and upload a new ubuntu version, but it wouldn't really feel right not updating the upstream version.. | 12:11 |
| shawarma | Hm... tough crowd. | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: well, if it's a bug fix... | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: i mean, look at the point of the UVF - to only fix bugs, but not introduce things with more bugs | 12:18 |
| stgraber | if that fix the openvpn config window which take around 2x the screen height, it's a bugfix I think :) | 12:19 |
| shawarma | It's definitely a bugfix, but fixing it involves doing a new svn checkout which is part of the upstream versioning scheme.. | 12:20 |
| shawarma | stgraber: And yes, that's be bug it fixes. | 12:21 |
| shawarma | I don't mind as such that I have to do a UVFe each time, but it seems like a waste of both my and the motu-uvf team's time. | 12:21 |
| shawarma | It makes it even more interesting that if I just take the relevant patch from svn, add it as a dpatch, but leave out other potential bug fixes from svn, it's actually *easier* to get it into the archive since it doesn't involve updating the upstream version. | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | it does | 12:25 |
| === Hobbsee would probably just pick the most sane solution | ||
| stgraber | shawarma: Is this "pull" option also added in the new version ? | 12:26 |
| shawarma | stgraber: No, I'll be adding that myself and submitting it upstream. | 12:26 |
| stgraber | thank you | 12:26 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: Well, the sane solution seems to be doing the UVFe dance, but.. gah.. | 12:29 |
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| Hobbsee | shawarma: wouldnt bet on that. i mean, the sane solution woudl be to take stuff from svn but i'm not convinced that would require a UVFe in normal circumstances (ie, with a rleease tarball) | 12:35 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: No, it wouldn't. | 12:36 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: I mean: It wouldn't require a UVFe when the package is based on a release. | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | so i think "use common sense" is in order, ie, just take the new bits of svn, preferably cherrypicking for any bad bits | 12:37 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: Maybe it would make sense to have a special policy for packages based on some RCS checkout.. | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | true | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: what do you think? | 12:37 |
| Lutin | is there someone who could try to build a package on ppc for me ? :) | 12:47 |
| stgraber | Lutin: is it big ?, I have access to and old G3 powerbook with Ubuntu on it but it's really slow :) | 12:49 |
| === Hobbsee keeps finding hoary cds here... | ||
| Lutin | stgraber: took about ten minutes on the buildds, don't know how much it means for an old box :) | 12:52 |
| stgraber | Lutin: what packages is that ? | 12:54 |
| Lutin | stgraber: mlt | 12:54 |
| Lutin | stgraber: I'd like to try a fix for the ppc ftbfs | 12:55 |
| Lutin | the package I need to test in at http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/mlt | 12:55 |
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| stgraber | Lutin: ok, I've got the Mac I'm installing pbuilder and will build that package | 12:56 |
| Lutin | stgraber: cool, thanks a lot | 12:57 |
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| stgraber | Lutin: I didn't ask but you want a Feisty package I guess ? | 01:11 |
| Lutin | stgraber: yep :) | 01:12 |
| stgraber | CPU: 400Mhz, bogomips 49,79 (??) :) I'm pbuilder creating right now | 01:14 |
| Lutin | ok, thanks :) | 01:17 |
| Sp4rKy | does anyone know why casper only set $LANG and no $LANGUAGE ? | 01:23 |
| stgraber | Lutin: Pbuilder can't install sox-dev | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: you dont have universe enabled in your pbuilder? | 01:31 |
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| stgraber | Hobbsee: checking | 01:32 |
| stgraber | arf, commented line in pbuilderrc :) | 01:32 |
| stgraber | thank you Hobbsee | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:33 |
| elkbuntu | hmm... anyone else having trouble talking to security.ubuntu.com? | 01:39 |
| StevenK | elkbuntu: Works for me. | 01:40 |
| elkbuntu | StevenK, yeah, i just re-updated and it didnt time out | 01:40 |
| elkbuntu | someone must have farted on the pipe somewhere | 01:40 |
| elkbuntu | mmmmm... x.org goodness | 01:41 |
| === StevenK continues to resist upgrading to Feisty. | ||
| elkbuntu | StevenK, im typing from edgy, but my laptop has a few fawn installs | 01:44 |
| elkbuntu | faun and kfaun ;) | 01:44 |
| StevenK | I have two Feisty chroots, do they count? | 01:44 |
| StevenK | (i386 and amd64) | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: just do it | 01:45 |
| elkbuntu | StevenK, we can pretend | 01:45 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Why? | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: to see breakage :P | 01:47 |
| StevenK | I've seen enough breakage on the two Feisty installs my boss has. | 01:47 |
| StevenK | Which reminds me, I need to neuter evms on his machine again. | 01:48 |
| StevenK | I *think* root on LVM is broken in Feisty, but I need to find the time to test. | 01:48 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: I'm using it, so I hope it isn't broken. | 01:50 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: It fails to work for my boss. | 01:51 |
| Fujitsu | Works for me. | 01:51 |
| StevenK | On bootup, we get dumped into the initramfs, and I need to run lvm vgchange -a y manually and then mount the thing. | 01:51 |
| Fujitsu | Have you got some snapshots or mirrors or similar, without the appropriate module in the initramfs? I had that problem once. | 01:52 |
| StevenK | Neither. | 01:52 |
| StevenK | If he's snapshoting, he isn't telling me. | 01:52 |
| StevenK | Actually, it's root on LVM on RAID | 01:52 |
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| elkbuntu | oh poo. im certainly not updating my desktop to feisty until the tomboy panel app doesnt die | 01:53 |
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| stgraber | Lutin: around ? | 02:22 |
| Lutin | stgraber: yes | 02:23 |
| stgraber | I have 5 .deb after pbuilder is that normal | 02:23 |
| stgraber | or should I have more ? | 02:23 |
| Lutin | stgraber: 5 is perfect :) | 02:25 |
| stgraber | ok, I also had quite a lot of warning and even an error during the compilation, but pbuilder continued his job so it should be that important | 02:25 |
| Lutin | stgraber: ok, thanks :). at least it no longer FTBFSs :) | 02:26 |
| stgraber | I'm uploading the result + the compilation messages if you want to have a look | 02:27 |
| Lutin | ok, thanks | 02:27 |
| stgraber | http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/mlt/ | 02:27 |
| Lutin | stgraber: thanks :) | 02:35 |
| stgraber | np | 02:35 |
| \sh | moins | 02:35 |
| stgraber | hi \sh | 02:36 |
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| \sh | oh guys, whoever implemented this change to dpkg, this guy needs to be crucified | 02:37 |
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| cbx33 | Hi all | 02:56 |
| cbx33 | anyone got a hand to help out a newbie c++ coder? | 02:56 |
| sacater | cbx33: why are you asking in the MOTU channel | 02:59 |
| sacater | ask in a programming channel :P | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | cbx33: maybe, what it is it? | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | er, -it | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | well.... | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | can i pastebin something | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 03:01 |
| cbx33 | pastebin.ca/379751 | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | http://pastebin.ca/379751 | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | ok, you can semi-ignore the class texture loader ;) | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | I'm just trying to understand how to use gtkpixbufloader | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | I can use it in python no troubles | 03:02 |
| cbx33 | but I just don't get c++ | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | then you're really asking a question about how to use gtkpixbufloader, which i cant answer, as i dont know, sorry | 03:03 |
| cbx33 | well...or any gtk type class in c++ | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | or just gtk in general.... | 03:04 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt deal in any gtk, sorry :P | ||
| === Hobbsee is a kde person | ||
| cbx33 | ahh | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | have cleared off bed - time to sleep. night all! | 03:05 |
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| sacater | hey guys, have they made the feisty gajim 0.11.1 release | 03:52 |
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| Nafallo | sacater: yea, and I fixed it yesterday. | 04:11 |
| sacater | Nafallo: damn | 04:11 |
| Nafallo | sacater: what? | 04:12 |
| sacater | i wanted to have a go at it | 04:12 |
| Nafallo | please ask the maintainer first. I hate it when people throw away all patches :-) | 04:12 |
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| sacater | how do i find out about the status of the xjump package, and whether its the latest version | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | apt-cache madison xjump | 04:16 |
| sacater | ty | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | alt. launchpad :-) | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | no problem | 04:16 |
| sacater | the reason im asking all this is im Motu in training :P | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | oki. well, generally hold of packages with a motu specfied as maintainer and you should be fine :-). | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | if there is, and he doesn't do his job, feel free to try to contact him before making changes :-) | 04:18 |
| Lutin | do anyone know who / what team cares for the @ubuntu.com mail adresses ? | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | cares for in what way? | 04:27 |
| Lutin | creates them / can change them | 04:27 |
| stgraber | I think that's canonical sysadmins who manage that | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | they are granted upon membership via the CC, but if you have a problem with the alias then file a bug in LP | 04:27 |
| Lutin | imbrandon: file a bug against what ? | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | LP its self afaik | 04:28 |
| Lutin | ok, thanks | 04:31 |
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| walrus | ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... | 06:37 |
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| walrus | ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... | 06:39 |
| walrus | ppl, how can i know some shared library dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... | 06:40 |
| Lutin | walrus: you can run 'objdump -p /usr/bin/foo | grep NEEDED' on the binary you want to get informations on | 06:43 |
| === ScottK thinks apt-cache depends <packagename> will also do it. | ||
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| Lutin | indeed, though it doesn't work for non-packages binaries :) | 06:45 |
| ScottK | True. | 06:45 |
| === ScottK tries to avoid installing outside the packaging system. | ||
| Lutin | so does /me | 06:47 |
| walrus | all right thx, i'm not installing some package ... i just compiled my own shared library and i wanted to make sure it linked well to its dependencies | 06:47 |
| Lutin | then the objdump thing should work fine | 06:49 |
| walrus | Lutin, thx very much ... xD xD ... objdump gave me just what i needed ... | 06:49 |
| Lutin | np | 06:51 |
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| Lathiat | a | 07:14 |
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| doko | bug 86552 87917 | 07:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86552 in python-sqlite "[apport] package python-sqlite failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86552 | 07:25 |
| doko | bug 87917 | 07:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87917 in griffith "Please sync griffith 0.9.2-1 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87917 | 07:25 |
| ScottK | doko: This issue is conflicting egg info in two python packages, so I don't think a sync will affect things either way. | 07:29 |
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| doko | ScottK: I know, thanks for the info anyway ;) | 07:29 |
| ScottK | OK | 07:29 |
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| ScottK | Ah, now I see you are the person that took the bugs. | 07:30 |
| ScottK | Thanks for attending to it. Diagnosing the conflict was as far as my knowledge would take me on that one. | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | Morning MOTU Land! | 07:48 |
| stgraber | hi LaserJock | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | moins LaserJock | 07:52 |
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| LaserJock | hi imbrandon stgraber | 08:03 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, if two bugs are dups, do you mark the newer one as the dup? | 09:17 |
| stgraber | usually that's what I do except if the new one already has a priority set | 09:18 |
| stgraber | or has a lot more informations | 09:18 |
| jdong | bleh any mono buffs here? | 09:23 |
| jdong | need to figure out how to get line-by-line output from a spawned process's stdout | 09:23 |
| jdong | I've gotten most of it done but it always ends by spewing \n in infinite loop :D | 09:23 |
| stgraber | I only have some simple notion of C#, but can't you use something like a streamreader and readline() ? | 09:25 |
| stgraber | that's just an idea by the way | 09:26 |
| jdong | aha, figured it out | 09:26 |
| jdong | peek() | 09:26 |
| jdong | yeah, a streamreader (Process.StandardOutput) is used | 09:26 |
| jdong | just figuring out how to determine end-of-file condition | 09:26 |
| jdong | and it's checking peek() | 09:26 |
| jdong | which Gtk# control would I use for a scrollable text area | 09:27 |
| jdong | i.e. to display output from an executing program | 09:27 |
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| jdong | figured it out again :P | 09:31 |
| stgraber | textview ? | 09:33 |
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| jdong | put textview in a ScrollableWindow thingie :P | 09:34 |
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| asantoni | hey much-revered MOTU, Mixxx 1.5.0 was just released, and the only difference between the pre-release version in Feisty and the final release is a few MINOR bug fixes | 10:36 |
| asantoni | would an updated Mixxx package make it through UVF? | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | might depend on how minor the bugs are | 10:38 |
| === _MMA_ waves at Jordan. | ||
| LaserJock | if they are easy fixes would could just apply them to the existing package | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | if they are a pain to backport and are very needed fixes then that's more grounds for a UVF exception | 10:39 |
| === LaserJock waves back to _MMA_ | ||
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| rmjb | Hey guys | 11:23 |
| ScottK | Hey rmjb | 11:28 |
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