[12:12] geser: no need, tepsipakki et al. have it under wraps [12:12] ah, ok [12:12] (unless you want a newer git snapshot?) [12:13] I'm happy if 1.7.2 from Debian experimental gets in === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11fat0c.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Finkregh_ is now known as Finkregh [12:20] LaserJock: so, what happened with the Control Center? [12:21] what it removed because users complained about it? === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] or it was simply a decision of the dev. to not include it? [12:22] afaik it has some problems but I don't know exactly what problems [12:23] upstream reverted the change.. [12:23] you can still use the shell, just enable it from the menu editor [12:25] theCore: gnome decided not to use it as default [12:25] theCore: apparently it is supposed to be default again in 2.20 [12:25] LaserJock: ah, well. That makes sense === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-150-224-205.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] is it just me, or the Preference and Administrator menus switched of place? [12:27] nevermind it is just me === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-117-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@adsl-156-71-20.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:57] aww crapp [12:57] hmm? [12:58] I'm buying a computer for work and I just realized it'll have Vista on it [12:58] no big deal get rid of it [12:58] well, I think we're actually going to keep it [12:58] lol [12:59] LaserJock: herasy [12:59] when running debuild gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh ": secret key not available ... what's wrong? [12:59] to see how bad vista compares to a linux destkop with beryl? [12:59] my boss wants to try out th $1000 proprietary data acquisition program that pretty much everybody uses these days [12:59] gpg doesnt know about the email address === xaraXXL [i=xaraXXL@gateway/tor/x-4632b12c50d8ee2e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] LaserJock: *cough* wine *cough* [12:59] oops... oh well, gmail's spam filter is good enough [01:00] zul: hehe, they have a Linux version if I wanted it that bad [01:00] oh you do ;) [01:00] zul: I have the secret key in my keyring. I can see it in kgpg, as well as sign/encrypt files to myself [01:00] ntfs-3g gives me a very weird message on dapper: "To work at his full capability, ntfs-3g recommend a new fuse module." [01:00] not a support channel dude [01:01] my question is: why doesn't it install it by default. it's not a support question. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] hey Burgundavia [01:01] zul: i know what i need to do, i'm only asking about its packaging [01:01] xaraXXL: look for a bug report on Launchpad [01:01] Is ntfs-3g actually in Dapper? [01:02] As far as I know it's not... [01:02] hey ryanakca [01:02] ah, ok, so it's not universe [01:02] I thought I saw it [01:02] It only appeared in Edgy. So any bug reports about Dapper will be immediately rejected. [01:03] Fujitsu: the issue appeared in edgy? [01:03] No, ntfs-3g only appeared in Edgy. [01:04] i see [01:04] thanks [01:06] Any suggestions on how to deal with a Universe package that won't install due to two dependencies that conflict and the dependencies are in Main? Bug 89341 [01:06] Malone bug 89341 in griffith "Griffith uninstallable in Feisty due to dependency conflicts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89341 [01:06] it deps on both? [01:09] what is the situation in debian? === xaraXXL [i=xaraXXL@gateway/tor/x-4632b12c50d8ee2e] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] Yes it deps on both === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] hmm [01:13] debian:~# chroot /bigdrive/sid/ [01:13] debian:/# apt-get install Griffith [01:13] Reading package lists... Done [01:13] Building dependency tree... Done [01:13] E: Couldn't find package Griffith [01:13] debian:/# === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] seems it isn't even in debian... [01:15] Yes, it is - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/griffith [01:17] ahh i see why its a capitalisation usee (the thing i copypasted from had the first letter capitalised) === plugwash checks if its installable on sid [01:19] The griffith package is the same as debian and the changelogs for the two dependencies lead me to believe they'll be the same in Debian. I'm curious what you find. [01:19] ScottK: what are the deps? [01:20] its installable on sid [01:20] i was just doing a quick check in case he didn't have sid arround i don't want to get deeply involved [01:20] python-pysqlite2 and python-sqlite [01:20] plugwash: Thanks. I don't have sid [01:21] seems odd to dep on both [01:22] Yep. And they conflict with each other (try to install the same file in pysupport because they provide the same python module name). [01:23] Wife just called. I gotta run. Be back later... === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] how do I fix gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh ": secret key not available ? I can sign files with the Key, and I see it in KGPG... [01:29] ryanakca, what is giving you that? pbuilder? [01:29] debuild -S -sa [01:30] kubuntu@org? [01:30] That looks wrong. [01:30] I know === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] I put it that way because I've already pasted my real email in here [01:30] it's .org in the real error message [01:30] Hey Hobbsee [01:30] Make sure your key has no comment, and that the name and email address are identical. [01:30] Ah, I have a comment, that's why [01:31] ryanakca: and try it with -k [01:31] ScottK: python-sqlite and python-pysqlite2 don't have Conflicts: with each other [01:31] ScottK: but I don't understand why griffith would need both [01:32] hey ryanakca [01:32] LaserJock: it works with -k, thanks [01:33] ryanakca: that'll get around the problem [01:33] ryanakca: do you use a gpg agent? [01:33] yes [01:33] It didn't ask for a passphrase, so I know gpg agent works [01:34] ah, that's usually the problem === esaym36 [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TwoPints [n=frank@ACBD80EB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Saliendo"] === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.120] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] Hobbsee: as you deal with kubuntu: are there any plans to update klamav to work with clamav >= 0.90? [02:01] geser: good questoin. didnt know it existed === Hobbsee looks further [02:02] libclamav changed the soname from 1 to 2 [02:02] geser: i'll deal with it [02:04] geser: darn, i cant sync that from debian, that'll have to be a merge [02:05] Debian bug #412856 has a patch for klamav 0.38 [02:05] Debian bug 412856 in klamav "klamav: diff for NMU version 0.38-1.1" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/412856 [02:05] there is also a new upstream version of klamav (0.41) for clamav >= 0.90 [02:06] right [02:06] so there is.... === Hobbsee emails the maintainer === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] Hobbsee: can you review my bzr-gtk? [02:28] ryanakca: we're in FF.... [02:28] is there a major need to? [02:28] no... is Universe frozen? [02:28] !feisty [02:28] The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 [02:29] Hobbsee: It's missing a depends, aka, one of the apps in it doesn't run [02:29] yep. only new packages which are deemed Very Important will get in [02:29] No new packages, except in exceptional circumstances. [02:29] oh, it's a bug fix, or new release? [02:29] Hobbsee: bug fix in packaging === Hobbsee notes that if it's bzr stuff, then it might be ack'd [02:29] Oh, that's OK. [02:29] Hobbsee: True. [02:29] ryanakca: got a debdiff? [02:29] ack'd? [02:29] Hobbsee: can I stick it on revu? [02:30] ryanakca: do you know how to do a debdiff? [02:30] is there already a bug for the packaging? [02:30] yes, debuild makes one === ryanakca filed a bug this afternoon [02:30] er, that makes a .diff.gz, which is different [02:30] ok, how? [02:30] you can run debdiff foo*.dsc > debdiff, and attach that to the bug report [02:30] debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > blah.debdiff [02:32] although it would be better to give it a name other than blah ;) [02:32] lol [02:32] hehe [02:34] Gah, why do people feel the need to file bugs that they need to install other libraries to get the LightScribe utilities working? 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[02:46] hi bddebian [02:47] Hi ryanakca, pochu, Fujitsu, LaserJock :) [02:47] bddebian, anybody else: I have requested a sync: Bug #89226. It's confirmed by geser. What's the next? [02:47] Malone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89226 [02:47] Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8308/ [02:48] pochu: you need a uvf exception for it, i would expect [02:50] ryanakca: what's olive-gtk? [02:50] Hobbsee: it's a graphical interface for bzr. Pull, Push, Log, Diff, etc [02:50] bug 89332 [02:50] Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332 [02:50] Commit, Uncommit iirc [02:50] ryanakca: it's not in bzr-gtk thoguh... [02:50] It is... [02:50] Hobbsee: but that's not a new upstream version [02:51] Hobbsee: apt-get source bzr-gtk [02:51] Hobbsee: it's the same version, but with some fixes in debian... [02:51] pochu: ah [02:51] ryanakca: which conflicts olive, yes. [02:51] just we have 0.5.4-1 and debian has 0.5.4-4 :) [02:51] Hobbsee: should I do anything else, or you can already upload it? [02:52] Hobbsee: Well, there's the most recent version of it in the package bzr-gtk. [02:52] To run it you need to install python-glade2 [02:52] so, I added python-glade2 to the Depends [02:52] pochu: ahh. it's a sync request, so no, i cant upload it, not being an archive admin. subscribe ubuntu-archive if geser's ack'd it, and if they're not already subscribed, and wait [02:52] ryanakca: ahh, it's just not listed in debian/control === ryanakca nods [02:53] Hobbsee: they are subscribed. ty! [02:54] ryanakca: done [02:54] pochu: no problem [02:54] Hobbsee: kk, thanks [02:55] Lutin: if you keep our fearless leader running errands all day he's not going to have time for Feisty+1 genius ;-) === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] We have a fearless leader? :-) [02:58] he did email opensuse-devel [02:59] again? [02:59] no [02:59] zul: I hope not. [02:59] LaserJock: That does exhibit his fearlessness, certainly. [02:59] but I thought that would count as "fearless" [03:00] Some people call it utter stupidity, unfortunately. [03:00] bug 89332 [03:00] Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332 [03:01] LaserJock: hehe :) === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host35-132-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-84.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] OT: anybody got a recommendation for a backup device like and external hard drive or something? === freeflying_ [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] LaserJock: Tape drive? === ryanakca wonders if those still exist === Shoragan [n=shoragan@datenfreihafen.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] LaserJock: I personally vulture hard drves when they're on sale [03:29] LaserJock: and stick them in $10-$20 USB enclosures [03:29] DVD-R's and DVD+R DL's aren't bad for backups either [03:30] as long as it's not like a really regular backup routine [03:30] then it gets inconvenient [03:30] my last reel of 100 DVD-R's was $10 === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] jdong: ??? it's 20$ for 80 here... [03:38] ryanakca: sales, buddy. [03:38] ah [03:38] lol [03:38] CompUSA cheap DVD-R's are actually pretty good [03:38] unlike their CD-R's [03:38] their CD-r's are utter crap [03:38] LaserJock: Turns out someone provided a patch while I was gone: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6605274/remove_egg_support.patch [03:39] Now the trick is to get someone to apply it to python-sqlite (since it's in main) === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TwoPints [n=frank@ACBD80EB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@62-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] see you everyone in one week! (holidays with no computer/internet) :) [04:43] *yawns* [04:43] what kind of freezes are we in ATM? :-) === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] *munches* [04:58] Nafallo: well, flashplugin freezes on me once in a while... gspcav webcam drivers do to.... [04:58] Nafallo: so I'd say miscellaneous multimedia freezes [04:59] lol [05:00] jdong: not that kind of freezes, rather if ubuntuX increments are okey still :-) [05:00] lol [05:00] same diff :D [05:01] so... are they? :-) === Nafallo puts finger on the enter-key [05:03] noone knows? ;-) [05:05] hmm === Nafallo fires then :-P [05:06] lol [05:06] couldn't find dput ;-) [05:06] ffs === Nafallo whips bddebian a bit to make him say something :-) [05:07] damnit! now he's never going to say something... forgot he likes that kind of stuff :-P [05:08] :-) [05:08] *s* [05:09] anyway, fired. if that was wrong someone would probably have to come here and kill me or something :-) === caravena [n=caravena@62-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] Nafallo: we are just in UVF and NewPackagesFreeze [06:33] Nafallo: new -ubuntuX versions are fine [06:40] interesting post on Planet Debian: http://np237.livejournal.com/15073.html [06:41] lol [06:41] heh === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] Gnight gang === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@adsl-76-208-157-82.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-81.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robb [n=robb@65.245.153.239] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-69-3-234-170.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] ajmitch: ping [08:26] I think he's gone for the weekend [08:26] ok === highvolt1ge [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-81.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp20-74.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-254-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] moins peeps [09:56] Nafallo, long time no see === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arre [n=ac@trillke.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] hi imbrandon [10:07] heya LaserJock [10:07] LaserJock, any luck with mod_python === arre [n=ac@trillke.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] imbrandon: oh, it's going [10:11] it's just a bit weird [10:11] cool [10:11] i'm just now getting arround to installing it [10:11] it's easy to make a .htaccess that load 1 .py [10:11] just 1? [10:11] but if you have more than 1 .py you want to be able to do it seems tricky [10:12] Get the first to be a module that loads others. [10:12] cant you just [10:12] AddHandler mod_python .py [10:12] PythonHandler mod_python.publisher [10:12] ? [10:12] that didn't work for me, I don't think [10:12] StevenK's suggestion was the best I could come up with for my simple usage [10:13] hum [10:13] mod_python is pretty crappy, anyway. [10:13] I just thought it was odd [10:13] Use Rails. :-P [10:13] nah [10:13] ruby? [10:13] imbrandon: Yup. [10:13] bah not another scripting lang to learn [10:13] php or python is all for me [10:13] PHP is not a scripting language. [10:13] i know php very well already [10:14] BS [10:14] i script in php everyday ;) === StevenK denies PHP the right to exist. [10:14] imbrandon: I got a PHP5 book from the library today [10:14] hehe [10:14] LaserJock, rockin [10:14] i LOVE php [10:15] i even use it for cli stuff [10:15] ;) [10:15] imbrandon: Insane. [10:15] Learn shell programming, for the love of God. [10:15] nah , php-cli was made and maintained for a reason ;) [10:15] i do bash stuff soemtimes, but sometimes php is just simpler [10:16] specialy if i want info from say mysql [10:16] cool [10:16] I use python instead of shell scripts a lot of the time [10:21] oh wow [10:21] that was super simple [10:21] i just installed it and configured it and got it working without .htaccess in less than a minute [10:21] LaserJock, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/python/test.py [10:22] wahoo! === imbrandon loves ubuntu servers sometimes === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] given the .py was only ... [10:24] def index(req): return "Test successful"; [10:24] still works hehe [10:26] imbrandon: http://www.laserjock.us/python/test.py [10:28] hehe [10:28] but thats only for one file isnt it? [10:29] here is what i followed and it worked flawless in less than a minute http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=792999&postcount=3 [10:29] on my edgy server that runs imbrandon.com [10:30] what version of mod_python? [10:31] i just "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python" so what ever version that is in edgy [10:31] umm lemme look [10:31] Version: 3.2.8-1ubuntu2 [10:31] Depends: libapache2-mod-python2.4 (>= 3.2.8-1ubuntu2), python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5) === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-53-210.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] is what it installed [10:32] I think I've got an old mod_python [10:32] you might have made the mistake that the first guy made and use apache-mod_python anot apache2-mod_python [10:33] e.g. not apache2 [10:33] [EDIT] WelterPelter, I just saw that you said you used libapache-mod-python2.4 which means you are using apache not apache2. I wrote this for apache2, I dont know how different they are but i guess it wont work, i suggest installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-python[/EDIT] [10:33] most likely you are using apache2 not apache ( hopefully ) [10:35] I'm not positive [10:36] imbrandon: 1.3.36 [10:37] imbrandon: also got PHP4 and a 2.4 kernel === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] ouch [10:39] not a server you have control over? [10:39] not a ton, no [10:39] I think it's running CentOS [10:39] hum apache 1.3 you say? yea you should be using apache-mod-python [10:40] wow [10:40] centos os old old old [10:40] heheh [10:40] move it to voyager ;) hehe or linode ;) [10:40] 'just teasin [10:42] well, I might ask about getting it updated === caravena [n=caravena@115-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] not sure how huge it'd be [10:43] but it's kinda a drag [10:43] but as they say "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] hehe [10:46] well if you ever want i'll be happy to put it on my server [10:47] ( free or i wouldent be offering ) but thats upto you [10:47] no hurries, or anything, its a standing offer [10:47] ;) [10:47] if it dont work out for you etc etc etc [10:48] brb smoke break [10:48] nasty habit imbrandon [10:48] almost as bad as your Mt. Dew addiction ;-) [10:48] lol [10:49] goodness [10:50] this bug really is maddening [10:50] an app can't find it's help [10:50] lol [10:50] but if I run it from /usr/share/Xaos/ [10:50] it works [10:51] so it can find the help in ./ [10:51] but not otherwise [10:51] sounds liekt he working dir isnt getting updated [10:51] hmmm [10:53] I have no idea how to tell [10:54] but apparently it works if you build it from source === tbf [n=mathias@ip-80-226-0-1.vodafone-net.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tbf wonders how to proceed after uploading to tauware: should I create a ticket for merging my package or will someone take care automatically? [10:57] what? [10:57] LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4544 [10:58] LaserJock: do I have to create a launchpad ticket for discussion? [10:58] no [10:58] LaserJock: cool. :-) [10:58] so I'll wait [10:59] its a merge or NEW package ? [11:00] NEW I think [11:00] clashing terminology [11:01] ;) === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-150-63.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-136-138.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@136.125.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] you know for ogg to work so well on linux its support sucks on windows/osx === imbrandon gets back to work [11:23] imbrandon: its suckage on non-free platforms is exactly the reason for ogg not to take off [11:24] tbf imbradon: ogg has taken off slightly, my mp3 player supports it, and its only 512mb, and 112 [11:25] 12* === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-dae943300a7886c6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] 'morning! === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-47-176.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tbf checks if his sony-ericson supports ogg [11:33] hmm. no. :-( === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] I've been thinking.... I maintain these network-manager-vpn plugins.. They've never been released, so the packages are based on an svn checkout. If it waas based on a release and a bug was filed, which was fixed in current svn, I'd just add that patch (using dpatch or something) and upload it, since it's not a new upstream version.. But since this is based on a svn checkout (with upstream version set to e.g. 0.3.2svn2342) it's not that easy.. Basicall [12:11] I *could* of course just add the relevant patches and upload a new ubuntu version, but it wouldn't really feel right not updating the upstream version.. [12:15] Hm... tough crowd. [12:18] shawarma: well, if it's a bug fix... [12:18] shawarma: i mean, look at the point of the UVF - to only fix bugs, but not introduce things with more bugs [12:19] if that fix the openvpn config window which take around 2x the screen height, it's a bugfix I think :) [12:20] It's definitely a bugfix, but fixing it involves doing a new svn checkout which is part of the upstream versioning scheme.. [12:21] stgraber: And yes, that's be bug it fixes. [12:21] I don't mind as such that I have to do a UVFe each time, but it seems like a waste of both my and the motu-uvf team's time. [12:24] It makes it even more interesting that if I just take the relevant patch from svn, add it as a dpatch, but leave out other potential bug fixes from svn, it's actually *easier* to get it into the archive since it doesn't involve updating the upstream version. [12:25] it does === Hobbsee would probably just pick the most sane solution [12:26] shawarma: Is this "pull" option also added in the new version ? [12:26] stgraber: No, I'll be adding that myself and submitting it upstream. [12:26] thank you [12:29] Hobbsee: Well, the sane solution seems to be doing the UVFe dance, but.. gah.. === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] shawarma: wouldnt bet on that. i mean, the sane solution woudl be to take stuff from svn but i'm not convinced that would require a UVFe in normal circumstances (ie, with a rleease tarball) [12:36] Hobbsee: No, it wouldn't. [12:37] Hobbsee: I mean: It wouldn't require a UVFe when the package is based on a release. [12:37] exactly [12:37] so i think "use common sense" is in order, ie, just take the new bits of svn, preferably cherrypicking for any bad bits [12:37] Hobbsee: Maybe it would make sense to have a special policy for packages based on some RCS checkout.. [12:37] true [12:37] StevenK: what do you think? [12:47] is there someone who could try to build a package on ppc for me ? :) [12:49] Lutin: is it big ?, I have access to and old G3 powerbook with Ubuntu on it but it's really slow :) === Hobbsee keeps finding hoary cds here... [12:52] stgraber: took about ten minutes on the buildds, don't know how much it means for an old box :) [12:54] Lutin: what packages is that ? [12:54] stgraber: mlt [12:55] stgraber: I'd like to try a fix for the ppc ftbfs [12:55] the package I need to test in at http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/mlt === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] Lutin: ok, I've got the Mac I'm installing pbuilder and will build that package [12:57] stgraber: cool, thanks a lot === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] Lutin: I didn't ask but you want a Feisty package I guess ? [01:12] stgraber: yep :) [01:14] CPU: 400Mhz, bogomips 49,79 (??) :) I'm pbuilder creating right now [01:17] ok, thanks :) [01:23] does anyone know why casper only set $LANG and no $LANGUAGE ? [01:31] Lutin: Pbuilder can't install sox-dev [01:31] stgraber: you dont have universe enabled in your pbuilder? === TwoPints [n=frank@ACBD80EB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] Hobbsee: checking [01:32] arf, commented line in pbuilderrc :) [01:32] thank you Hobbsee [01:33] :) [01:39]