[12:12] <crimsun> geser: no need, tepsipakki et al. have it under wraps
[12:12] <geser> ah, ok
[12:12] <crimsun> (unless you want a newer git snapshot?)
[12:13] <geser> I'm happy if 1.7.2 from Debian experimental gets in
[12:20] <theCore> LaserJock: so, what happened with the Control Center?
[12:21] <theCore> what it removed because users complained about it?
[12:22] <theCore> or it was simply a decision of the dev. to not include it? 
[12:22] <geser> afaik it has some problems but I don't know exactly what problems
[12:23] <tepsipakki> upstream reverted the change..
[12:23] <tepsipakki> you can still use the shell, just enable it from the menu editor
[12:25] <LaserJock> theCore: gnome decided not to use it as default
[12:25] <LaserJock> theCore: apparently it is supposed to be default again in 2.20
[12:25] <theCore> LaserJock: ah, well. That makes sense
[12:26] <theCore> is it just me, or the Preference and Administrator menus switched of place?
[12:27] <theCore> nevermind it is just me
[12:57] <LaserJock> aww crapp
[12:57] <zul> hmm?
[12:58] <LaserJock> I'm buying a computer for work and I just realized it'll have Vista on it
[12:58] <zul> no big deal get rid of it
[12:58] <LaserJock> well, I think we're actually going to keep it
[12:58] <ryanakca> lol
[12:59] <zul> LaserJock: herasy
[12:59] <ryanakca> when running debuild gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@kubuntu.org>": secret key not available ... what's wrong?
[12:59] <geser> to see how bad vista compares to a linux destkop with beryl?
[12:59] <LaserJock> my boss wants to try out th $1000 proprietary data acquisition program that pretty much everybody uses these days
[12:59] <zul> gpg doesnt know about the email address
[12:59] <zul> LaserJock: *cough* wine *cough*
[12:59] <ryanakca> oops... oh well, gmail's spam filter is good enough
[01:00] <LaserJock> zul: hehe, they have a Linux version if I wanted it that bad
[01:00] <zul> oh you do ;)
[01:00] <ryanakca> zul: I have the secret key in my keyring. I can see it in kgpg, as well as sign/encrypt files to myself
[01:00] <xaraXXL> ntfs-3g gives me a very weird message on dapper: "To work at his full capability, ntfs-3g recommend a new fuse module."
[01:00] <zul> not a support channel dude
[01:01] <xaraXXL> my question is: why doesn't it install it by default. it's not a support question.
[01:01] <ryanakca> hey Burgundavia
[01:01] <xaraXXL> zul: i know what i need to do, i'm only asking about its packaging
[01:01] <LaserJock> xaraXXL: look for a bug report on Launchpad
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Is ntfs-3g actually in Dapper?
[01:02] <Fujitsu> As far as I know it's not...
[01:02] <Burgundavia> hey ryanakca
[01:02] <xaraXXL> ah, ok, so it's not universe
[01:02] <Burgundavia> I thought I saw it
[01:02] <Fujitsu> It only appeared in Edgy. So any bug reports about Dapper will be immediately rejected.
[01:03] <xaraXXL> Fujitsu: the issue appeared in edgy?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> No, ntfs-3g only appeared in Edgy.
[01:04] <xaraXXL> i see
[01:04] <xaraXXL> thanks
[01:06] <ScottK> Any suggestions on how to deal with a Universe package that won't install due to two dependencies that conflict and the dependencies are in Main?  Bug 89341
[01:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89341 in griffith "Griffith uninstallable in Feisty due to dependency conflicts" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89341
[01:06] <LaserJock> it deps on both?
[01:09] <plugwash> what is the situation in debian?
[01:12] <ScottK> Yes it deps on both
[01:13] <plugwash> hmm
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:~# chroot /bigdrive/sid/
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:/# apt-get install Griffith
[01:13] <plugwash> Reading package lists... Done
[01:13] <plugwash> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:13] <plugwash> E: Couldn't find package Griffith
[01:13] <plugwash> debian:/#
[01:15] <plugwash> seems it isn't even in debian...
[01:15] <ScottK> Yes, it is - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/griffith
[01:17] <plugwash> ahh i see why its a capitalisation usee (the thing i copypasted from had the first letter capitalised)
[01:19] <ScottK> The griffith package is the same as debian and the changelogs for the two dependencies lead me to believe they'll be the same in Debian.  I'm curious what you find.
[01:19] <LaserJock> ScottK: what are the deps?
[01:20] <plugwash> its installable on sid
[01:20] <plugwash> i was just doing a quick check in case he didn't have sid arround i don't want to get deeply involved
[01:20] <ScottK>  python-pysqlite2 and python-sqlite
[01:20] <ScottK> plugwash: Thanks.  I don't have sid
[01:21] <LaserJock> seems odd to dep on both
[01:22] <ScottK> Yep.  And they conflict with each other (try to install the same file in pysupport because they provide the same python module name).
[01:23] <ScottK> Wife just called.  I gotta run.  Be back later...
[01:29] <ryanakca> how do I fix gpg: skipped "Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@kubuntu@org>": secret key not available       ? I can sign files with the Key, and I see it in KGPG... 
[01:29] <Fujitsu> ryanakca, what is giving you that? pbuilder?
[01:29] <ryanakca> debuild -S -sa
[01:30] <Fujitsu> kubuntu@org?
[01:30] <Fujitsu> That looks wrong.
[01:30] <ryanakca> I know
[01:30] <ryanakca> I put it that way because I've already pasted my real email in here
[01:30] <ryanakca> it's .org in the real error message
[01:30] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[01:30] <Fujitsu> Make sure your key has no comment, and that the name and email address are identical.
[01:30] <ryanakca> Ah, I have a comment, that's why
[01:31] <LaserJock> ryanakca: and try it with -k<email/keyid>
[01:31] <LaserJock> ScottK: python-sqlite and python-pysqlite2 don't have Conflicts: with each other
[01:31] <LaserJock> ScottK: but I don't understand why griffith would need both
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca 
[01:32] <ryanakca> LaserJock: it works with -k, thanks
[01:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: that'll get around the problem
[01:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: do you use a gpg agent?
[01:33] <ryanakca> yes
[01:33] <ryanakca> It didn't ask for a passphrase, so I know gpg agent works
[01:34] <LaserJock> ah, that's usually the problem
[02:01] <geser> Hobbsee: as you deal with kubuntu: are there any plans to update klamav to work with clamav >= 0.90?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> geser: good questoin.  didnt know it existed
[02:02] <geser> libclamav changed the soname from 1 to 2
[02:02] <Hobbsee> geser: i'll deal with it
[02:04] <Hobbsee> geser: darn, i cant sync that from debian, that'll have to be a merge
[02:05] <geser> Debian bug #412856 has a patch for klamav 0.38
[02:05] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 412856 in klamav "klamav: diff for NMU version 0.38-1.1" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/412856
[02:05] <geser> there is also a new upstream version of klamav (0.41) for clamav >= 0.90
[02:06] <Hobbsee> right
[02:06] <Hobbsee> so there is....
[02:23] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: can you review my bzr-gtk?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: we're in FF....
[02:28] <Hobbsee> is there a major need to?
[02:28] <ryanakca> no... is Universe frozen?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[02:28] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: It's missing a depends, aka, one of the apps in it doesn't run
[02:29] <Hobbsee> yep.  only new packages which are deemed Very Important will get in
[02:29] <Fujitsu> No new packages, except in exceptional circumstances.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> oh, it's a bug fix, or new release?
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: bug fix in packaging
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Oh, that's OK.
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: True.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: got a debdiff?
[02:29] <ryanakca> ack'd?
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: can I stick it on revu?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: do you know how to do a debdiff?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> is there already a bug for the packaging?
[02:30] <ryanakca> yes, debuild makes one
[02:30] <Hobbsee> er, that makes a .diff.gz, which is different
[02:30] <ryanakca> ok, how?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> you can run debdiff foo*.dsc > debdiff, and attach that to the bug report
[02:30] <Fujitsu> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > blah.debdiff
[02:32] <zul> although it would be better to give it a name other than blah ;)
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Gah, why do people feel the need to file bugs that they need to install other libraries to get the LightScribe utilities working?
[02:35] <zul> just to annoy you
[02:36] <ryanakca> lol
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the bugs about "there are too many bugs in Ubuntu" are even better again
[02:36] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: should the debdiff include changes in debian/control?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: basicly, the only change in the package is the addition of  python-glade2 to Depends
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok... because... it doesn't seem to be showing up
[02:38] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:38] <Hobbsee> did you bump the changelog versoin?
[02:39] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I added a changelog entry, yes. old: 0.13.0-0ubuntu1, new: 0.13.0-0ubuntu2
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:46] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[02:46] <pochu> hey bddebian :)
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:46] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[02:47] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca, pochu, Fujitsu, LaserJock :)
[02:47] <pochu> bddebian, anybody else: I have requested a sync: Bug #89226. It's confirmed by geser. What's the next?
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89226 in tracker "Please sync tracker 0.5.4-4 from debian unstable main" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89226
[02:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8308/
[02:48] <Hobbsee> pochu: you need a uvf exception for it, i would expect
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what's olive-gtk?
[02:50] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it's a graphical interface for bzr. Pull, Push, Log, Diff, etc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> bug 89332
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332
[02:50] <ryanakca> Commit, Uncommit iirc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's not in bzr-gtk thoguh...
[02:50] <ryanakca> It is...
[02:50] <pochu> Hobbsee: but that's not a new upstream version
[02:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: apt-get source bzr-gtk
[02:51] <pochu> Hobbsee: it's the same version, but with some fixes in debian...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pochu: ah
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which conflicts olive, yes.
[02:51] <pochu> just we have 0.5.4-1 and debian has 0.5.4-4 :)
[02:51] <pochu> Hobbsee: should I do anything else, or you can already upload it?
[02:52] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Well, there's the most recent version of it in the package bzr-gtk. 
[02:52] <ryanakca> To run it you need to install python-glade2
[02:52] <ryanakca> so, I added python-glade2 to the Depends
[02:52] <Hobbsee> pochu: ahh.  it's a sync request, so no, i cant upload it, not being an archive admin.  subscribe ubuntu-archive if geser's ack'd it, and if they're not already subscribed, and wait
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahh, it's just not listed in debian/control
[02:53] <pochu> Hobbsee: they are subscribed. ty!
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: done
[02:54] <Hobbsee> pochu: no problem
[02:54] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk, thanks
[02:55] <LaserJock> Lutin: if you keep our fearless leader running errands all day he's not going to have time for Feisty+1 genius ;-)
[02:58] <bddebian> We have a fearless leader? :-)
[02:58] <LaserJock> he did email opensuse-devel
[02:59] <zul> again?
[02:59] <LaserJock> no
[02:59] <Fujitsu> zul: I hope not.
[02:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That does exhibit his fearlessness, certainly.
[02:59] <LaserJock> but I thought that would count as "fearless"
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Some people call it utter stupidity, unfortunately.
[03:00] <ryanakca> bug 89332
[03:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89332 in bzr-gtk "Missing depends for bzr-gtk" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89332
[03:01] <Lutin> LaserJock: hehe :)
[03:22] <LaserJock> OT: anybody got a recommendation for a backup device like and external hard drive or something?
[03:27] <ryanakca> LaserJock: Tape drive?
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: I personally vulture hard drves when they're on sale
[03:29] <jdong> LaserJock: and stick them in $10-$20 USB enclosures
[03:29] <jdong> DVD-R's and DVD+R DL's aren't bad for backups either
[03:30] <jdong> as long as it's not like a really regular backup routine
[03:30] <jdong> then it gets inconvenient
[03:30] <jdong> my last reel of 100 DVD-R's was $10
[03:37] <ryanakca> jdong: ??? it's 20$ for 80 here...
[03:38] <jdong> ryanakca: sales, buddy.
[03:38] <ryanakca> ah
[03:38] <ryanakca> lol
[03:38] <jdong> CompUSA cheap DVD-R's are actually pretty good
[03:38] <jdong> unlike their CD-R's
[03:38] <jdong> their CD-r's are utter crap
[03:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: Turns out someone provided a patch while I was gone: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6605274/remove_egg_support.patch
[03:39] <ScottK> Now the trick is to get someone to apply it to python-sqlite (since it's in main)
[04:39] <Adri2000> see you everyone in one week! (holidays with no computer/internet) :)
[04:43] <Nafallo> *yawns*
[04:43] <Nafallo> what kind of freezes are we in ATM? :-)
[04:56] <zakame> *munches*
[04:58] <jdong> Nafallo: well, flashplugin freezes on me once in a while... gspcav webcam drivers do to....
[04:58] <jdong> Nafallo: so I'd say miscellaneous multimedia freezes
[04:59] <Nafallo> lol
[05:00] <Nafallo> jdong: not that kind of freezes, rather if ubuntuX increments are okey still :-)
[05:00] <jdong> lol
[05:00] <jdong> same diff :D
[05:01] <Nafallo> so... are they? :-)
[05:03] <Nafallo> noone knows? ;-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:06] <Nafallo> lol
[05:06] <Nafallo> couldn't find dput ;-)
[05:06] <Nafallo> ffs
[05:07] <Nafallo> damnit! now he's never going to say something... forgot he likes that kind of stuff :-P
[05:08] <bddebian> :-)
[05:08] <Nafallo> *s*
[05:09] <Nafallo> anyway, fired. if that was wrong someone would probably have to come here and kill me or something :-)
[06:33] <LaserJock> Nafallo: we are just in UVF and NewPackagesFreeze
[06:33] <LaserJock> Nafallo: new -ubuntuX versions are fine
[06:40] <LaserJock> interesting post on Planet Debian: http://np237.livejournal.com/15073.html
[06:41] <joejaxx> lol
[06:41] <bddebian> heh
[06:56] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[08:26] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ping
[08:26] <LaserJock> I think he's gone for the weekend
[08:26] <AnAnt> ok
[09:56] <imbrandon> moins peeps
[09:56] <imbrandon> Nafallo, long time no see
[10:06] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[10:07] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[10:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, any luck with mod_python
[10:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh, it's going
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's just a bit weird
[10:11] <imbrandon> cool
[10:11] <imbrandon> i'm just now getting arround to installing it
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's easy to make a .htaccess that load 1 .py
[10:11] <imbrandon> just 1?
[10:11] <LaserJock> but if you have more than 1 .py you want to be able to do it seems tricky
[10:12] <StevenK> Get the first to be a module that loads others.
[10:12] <imbrandon> cant you just 
[10:12] <imbrandon>                 AddHandler mod_python .py
[10:12] <imbrandon>                 PythonHandler mod_python.publisher
[10:12] <imbrandon> ?
[10:12] <LaserJock> that didn't work for me, I don't think
[10:12] <LaserJock> StevenK's suggestion was the best I could come up with for my simple usage
[10:13] <imbrandon> hum
[10:13] <StevenK> mod_python is pretty crappy, anyway.
[10:13] <LaserJock> I just thought it was odd
[10:13] <StevenK> Use Rails. :-P
[10:13] <LaserJock> nah
[10:13] <imbrandon> ruby?
[10:13] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yup.
[10:13] <imbrandon> bah not another scripting lang to learn
[10:13] <imbrandon> php or python is all for me
[10:13] <StevenK> PHP is not a scripting language.
[10:13] <imbrandon> i know php very well already
[10:14] <imbrandon> BS
[10:14] <imbrandon> i script in php everyday ;)
[10:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I got a PHP5 book from the library today
[10:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin
[10:14] <imbrandon> i LOVE php
[10:15] <imbrandon> i even use it for cli stuff 
[10:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:15] <StevenK> imbrandon: Insane.
[10:15] <StevenK> Learn shell programming, for the love of God.
[10:15] <imbrandon> nah , php-cli was made and maintained for a reason ;)
[10:15] <imbrandon> i do bash stuff soemtimes, but sometimes php is just simpler
[10:16] <imbrandon> specialy if i want info from say mysql
[10:16] <LaserJock> cool
[10:16] <LaserJock> I use python instead of shell scripts a lot of the time
[10:21] <imbrandon> oh wow
[10:21] <imbrandon> that was super simple
[10:21] <imbrandon> i just installed it and configured it and got it working without .htaccess in less than a minute
[10:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/python/test.py
[10:22] <LaserJock> wahoo!
[10:24] <imbrandon> given the .py was only ... 
[10:24] <imbrandon> def index(req): return "Test successful";
[10:24] <imbrandon> still works hehe
[10:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://www.laserjock.us/python/test.py
[10:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:28] <imbrandon> but thats only for one file isnt it?
[10:29] <imbrandon> here is what i followed and it worked flawless in less than a minute http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=792999&postcount=3
[10:29] <imbrandon> on my edgy server that runs imbrandon.com
[10:30] <LaserJock> what version of mod_python?
[10:31] <imbrandon> i just "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python" so what ever version that is in edgy
[10:31] <imbrandon> umm lemme look
[10:31] <imbrandon> Version: 3.2.8-1ubuntu2
[10:31] <imbrandon> Depends: libapache2-mod-python2.4 (>= 3.2.8-1ubuntu2), python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5)
[10:32] <imbrandon> is what it installed
[10:32] <LaserJock> I think I've got an old mod_python
[10:32] <imbrandon> you might have made the mistake that the first guy made and use apache-mod_python anot apache2-mod_python
[10:33] <imbrandon> e.g. not apache2
[10:33] <imbrandon> [EDIT]  WelterPelter, I just saw that you said you used libapache-mod-python2.4 which means you are using apache not apache2. I wrote this for apache2, I dont know how different they are but i guess it wont work, i suggest installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-python[/EDIT] 
[10:33] <imbrandon> most likely you are using apache2 not apache ( hopefully )
[10:35] <LaserJock> I'm not positive
[10:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: 1.3.36 
[10:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: also got PHP4 and a 2.4 kernel
[10:39] <imbrandon> ouch
[10:39] <imbrandon> not a server you have control over?
[10:39] <LaserJock> not a ton, no
[10:39] <LaserJock> I think it's running CentOS
[10:39] <imbrandon> hum apache 1.3 you say? yea you should be using apache-mod-python
[10:40] <imbrandon> wow
[10:40] <imbrandon> centos os old old old
[10:40] <imbrandon> heheh
[10:40] <imbrandon> move it to voyager ;) hehe or linode ;)
[10:40] <imbrandon> 'just teasin
[10:42] <LaserJock> well, I might ask about getting it updated
[10:42] <LaserJock> not sure how huge it'd be
[10:43] <LaserJock> but it's kinda a drag
[10:43] <LaserJock> but as they say "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"
[10:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:46] <imbrandon> well if you ever want i'll be happy to put it on my server
[10:47] <imbrandon> ( free or i wouldent be offering ) but thats upto you
[10:47] <imbrandon> no hurries, or anything, its a standing offer
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <imbrandon> if it dont work out for you etc etc etc
[10:48] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[10:48] <LaserJock> nasty habit imbrandon 
[10:48] <LaserJock> almost as bad as your Mt. Dew addiction ;-)
[10:48] <imbrandon> lol
[10:49] <LaserJock> goodness
[10:50] <LaserJock> this bug really is maddening
[10:50] <LaserJock> an app can't find it's help
[10:50] <imbrandon> lol
[10:50] <LaserJock> but if I run it from /usr/share/Xaos/
[10:50] <LaserJock> it works
[10:51] <LaserJock> so it can find the help in ./
[10:51] <LaserJock> but not otherwise
[10:51] <imbrandon> sounds liekt he working dir isnt getting updated
[10:51] <LaserJock> hmmm
[10:53] <LaserJock> I have no idea how to tell
[10:54] <LaserJock> but apparently it works if you build it from source
[10:57] <LaserJock> what?
[10:57] <tbf> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4544
[10:58] <tbf> LaserJock: do I have to create a launchpad ticket for discussion?
[10:58] <LaserJock> no
[10:58] <tbf> LaserJock: cool. :-)
[10:58] <tbf> so I'll wait
[10:59] <imbrandon> its a merge or NEW package ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> NEW I think
[11:00] <LaserJock> clashing terminology
[11:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:22] <imbrandon> you know for ogg to work so well on linux its support sucks on windows/osx
[11:23] <tbf> imbrandon: its suckage on non-free platforms is exactly the reason for ogg not to take off
[11:24] <sacater> tbf imbradon: ogg has taken off slightly, my mp3 player supports it, and its only 512mb, and 112
[11:25] <sacater> 12*
[11:26] <GNUro> 'morning!
[11:33] <tbf> hmm. no. :-(
[12:10] <shawarma> I've been thinking.... I maintain these network-manager-vpn plugins.. They've never been released, so the packages are based on an svn checkout. If it waas based on a release and a bug was filed, which was fixed in current svn, I'd just add that patch (using dpatch or something) and upload it, since it's not a new upstream version.. But since this is based on a svn checkout (with upstream version set to e.g. 0.3.2svn2342) it's not that easy.. Basicall
[12:11] <shawarma> I *could* of course just add the relevant patches and upload a new ubuntu version, but it wouldn't really feel right not updating the upstream version..
[12:15] <shawarma> Hm... tough crowd.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> shawarma: well, if it's a bug fix...
[12:18] <Hobbsee> shawarma: i mean, look at the point of the UVF - to only fix bugs, but not introduce things with more bugs
[12:19] <stgraber> if that fix the openvpn config window which take around 2x the screen height, it's a bugfix I think :)
[12:20] <shawarma> It's definitely a bugfix, but fixing it involves doing a new svn checkout which is part of the upstream versioning scheme..
[12:21] <shawarma> stgraber: And yes, that's be bug it fixes.
[12:21] <shawarma> I don't mind as such that I have to do a UVFe each time, but it seems like a waste of both my and the motu-uvf team's time. 
[12:24] <shawarma> It makes it even more interesting that if I just take the relevant patch from svn, add it as a dpatch, but leave out other potential bug fixes from svn, it's actually *easier* to get it into the archive since it doesn't involve updating the upstream version.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> it does
[12:26] <stgraber> shawarma: Is this "pull" option also added in the new version ?
[12:26] <shawarma> stgraber: No, I'll be adding that myself and submitting it upstream.
[12:26] <stgraber> thank you
[12:29] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Well, the sane solution seems to be doing the UVFe dance, but.. gah..
[12:35] <Hobbsee> shawarma: wouldnt bet on that.  i mean, the sane solution woudl be to take stuff from svn but i'm not convinced that would require a UVFe in normal circumstances (ie, with a rleease tarball)
[12:36] <shawarma> Hobbsee: No, it wouldn't. 
[12:37] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I mean: It wouldn't require a UVFe when the package is based on a release.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> exactly
[12:37] <Hobbsee> so i think "use common sense" is in order, ie, just take the new bits of svn, preferably cherrypicking for any bad bits
[12:37] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Maybe it would make sense to have a special policy for packages based on some RCS checkout..
[12:37] <Hobbsee> true
[12:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: what do you think?
[12:47] <Lutin> is there someone who could try to build a package on ppc for me ? :)
[12:49] <stgraber> Lutin: is it big ?, I have access to and old G3 powerbook with Ubuntu on it but it's really slow :)
[12:52] <Lutin> stgraber: took about ten minutes on the buildds, don't know how much it means for an old box :)
[12:54] <stgraber> Lutin: what packages is that ?
[12:54] <Lutin> stgraber: mlt
[12:55] <Lutin> stgraber: I'd like to try a fix for the ppc ftbfs
[12:55] <Lutin> the package I need to test in at http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/mlt
[12:56] <stgraber> Lutin: ok, I've got the Mac I'm installing pbuilder and will build that package
[12:57] <Lutin> stgraber: cool, thanks a lot
[01:11] <stgraber> Lutin: I didn't ask but you want a Feisty package I guess ?
[01:12] <Lutin> stgraber: yep :)
[01:14] <stgraber> CPU: 400Mhz, bogomips 49,79 (??) :) I'm pbuilder creating right now
[01:17] <Lutin> ok, thanks :)
[01:23] <Sp4rKy> does anyone know why casper only set $LANG and no $LANGUAGE ?
[01:31] <stgraber> Lutin: Pbuilder can't install sox-dev
[01:31] <Hobbsee> stgraber: you dont have universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[01:32] <stgraber> Hobbsee: checking
[01:32] <stgraber> arf, commented line in pbuilderrc :)
[01:32] <stgraber> thank you Hobbsee 
[01:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:39] <elkbuntu> hmm... anyone else having trouble talking to security.ubuntu.com?
[01:40] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Works for me.
[01:40] <elkbuntu> StevenK, yeah, i just re-updated and it didnt time out
[01:40] <elkbuntu> someone must have farted on the pipe somewhere
[01:41] <elkbuntu> mmmmm... x.org goodness
[01:44] <elkbuntu> StevenK, im typing from edgy, but my laptop has a few fawn installs
[01:44] <elkbuntu> faun and kfaun ;)
[01:44] <StevenK> I have two Feisty chroots, do they count?
[01:44] <StevenK> (i386 and amd64)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: just do it
[01:45] <elkbuntu> StevenK, we can pretend
[01:47] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Why?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: to see breakage :P
[01:47] <StevenK> I've seen enough breakage on the two Feisty installs my boss has.
[01:48] <StevenK> Which reminds me, I need to neuter evms on his machine again.
[01:48] <StevenK> I *think* root on LVM is broken in Feisty, but I need to find the time to test.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'm using it, so I hope it isn't broken.
[01:51] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It fails to work for my boss.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Works for me.
[01:51] <StevenK> On bootup, we get dumped into the initramfs, and I need to run lvm vgchange -a y manually and then mount the thing.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Have you got some snapshots or mirrors or similar, without the appropriate module in the initramfs? I had that problem once.
[01:52] <StevenK> Neither.
[01:52] <StevenK> If he's snapshoting, he isn't telling me.
[01:52] <StevenK> Actually, it's root on LVM on RAID
[01:53] <elkbuntu> oh poo. im certainly not updating my desktop to feisty until the tomboy panel app doesnt die
[02:22] <stgraber> Lutin: around ?
[02:23] <Lutin> stgraber: yes
[02:23] <stgraber> I have 5 .deb after pbuilder is that normal
[02:23] <stgraber> or should I have more ?
[02:25] <Lutin> stgraber: 5 is perfect :)
[02:25] <stgraber> ok, I also had quite a lot of warning and even an error during the compilation, but pbuilder continued his job so it should be that important
[02:26] <Lutin> stgraber: ok, thanks :). at least it no longer FTBFSs :)
[02:27] <stgraber> I'm uploading the result + the compilation messages if you want to have a look
[02:27] <Lutin> ok, thanks
[02:27] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/mlt/
[02:35] <Lutin> stgraber: thanks :)
[02:35] <stgraber> np
[02:35] <\sh> moins
[02:36] <stgraber> hi \sh 
[02:37] <\sh> oh guys, whoever implemented this change to dpkg, this guy needs to be crucified
[02:56] <cbx33> Hi all
[02:56] <cbx33> anyone got a hand to help out a newbie c++ coder?
[02:59] <sacater> cbx33: why are you asking in the MOTU channel
[02:59] <sacater> ask in a programming channel :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> cbx33: maybe, what it is it?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> er, -it
[03:01] <cbx33> well....
[03:01] <cbx33> can i pastebin something
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:02] <cbx33> pastebin.ca/379751
[03:02] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/379751
[03:02] <cbx33> ok, you can semi-ignore the class texture loader ;)
[03:02] <cbx33> I'm just trying to understand how to use gtkpixbufloader
[03:02] <cbx33> I can use it in python no troubles
[03:02] <cbx33> but I just don't get c++
[03:03] <Hobbsee> then you're really asking a question about how to use gtkpixbufloader, which i cant answer, as i dont know, sorry
[03:04] <cbx33> well...or any gtk type class in c++
[03:04] <cbx33> or just gtk in general....
[03:04] <cbx33> ahh
[03:04] <cbx33> ok np
[03:05] <Hobbsee> have cleared off bed - time to sleep.  night all!
[03:52] <sacater> hey guys, have they made the feisty gajim 0.11.1 release
[04:11] <Nafallo> sacater: yea, and I fixed it yesterday.
[04:11] <sacater> Nafallo: damn
[04:12] <Nafallo> sacater: what?
[04:12] <sacater> i wanted to have a go at it
[04:12] <Nafallo> please ask the maintainer first. I hate it when people throw away all patches :-)
[04:15] <sacater> how do i find out about the status of the xjump package, and whether its the latest version
[04:16] <Nafallo> apt-cache madison xjump
[04:16] <sacater> ty
[04:16] <Nafallo> alt. launchpad :-)
[04:16] <Nafallo> no problem
[04:16] <sacater> the reason im asking all this is im Motu in training :P
[04:17] <Nafallo> oki. well, generally hold of packages with a motu specfied as maintainer and you should be fine :-).
[04:18] <Nafallo> if there is, and he doesn't do his job, feel free to try to contact him before making changes :-)
[04:26] <Lutin> do anyone know who / what team cares for the @ubuntu.com mail adresses ?
[04:27] <imbrandon> cares for in what way?
[04:27] <Lutin> creates them / can change them
[04:27] <stgraber> I think that's canonical sysadmins who manage that
[04:27] <imbrandon> they are granted upon membership via the CC, but if you have a problem with the alias then file a bug in LP 
[04:28] <Lutin> imbrandon: file a bug against what ?
[04:28] <imbrandon> LP its self afaik
[04:31] <Lutin> ok, thanks
[06:37] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... 
[06:39] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some program's dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... 
[06:40] <walrus> ppl, how can i know some shared library dependencies ???? e.g. : "depends" on win32 ... 
[06:43] <Lutin> walrus: you can run 'objdump -p /usr/bin/foo | grep NEEDED' on the binary you want to get informations on
[06:45] <Lutin> indeed, though it doesn't work for non-packages binaries :)
[06:45] <ScottK> True.
[06:47] <Lutin> so does /me
[06:47] <walrus> all right thx, i'm not installing some package ... i just compiled my own shared library and i wanted to make sure it linked well to its dependencies
[06:49] <Lutin> then the objdump thing should work fine
[06:49] <walrus> Lutin, thx very much ... xD xD ... objdump gave me just what i needed ... 
[06:51] <Lutin> np
[07:14] <Lathiat> a
[07:25] <doko> bug 86552 87917
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86552 in python-sqlite "[apport]  package python-sqlite failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86552
[07:25] <doko> bug 87917
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87917 in griffith "Please sync griffith 0.9.2-1 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87917
[07:29] <ScottK> doko: This issue is conflicting egg info in two python packages, so I don't think a sync will affect things either way.
[07:29] <doko> ScottK: I know, thanks for the info anyway ;)
[07:29] <ScottK> OK
[07:30] <ScottK> Ah, now I see you are the person that took the bugs.
[07:31] <ScottK> Thanks for attending to it.  Diagnosing the conflict was as far as my knowledge would take me on that one.
[07:48] <LaserJock> Morning MOTU Land!
[07:49] <stgraber> hi LaserJock 
[07:52] <imbrandon> moins LaserJock 
[08:03] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon stgraber 
[09:17] <LaserJock> hmm, if two bugs are dups, do you mark the newer one as the dup?
[09:18] <stgraber> usually that's what I do except if the new one already has a priority set
[09:18] <stgraber> or has a lot more informations
[09:23] <jdong> bleh any mono buffs here?
[09:23] <jdong> need to figure out how to get line-by-line output from a spawned process's stdout
[09:23] <jdong> I've gotten most of it done but it always ends by spewing \n in infinite loop :D
[09:25] <stgraber> I only have some simple notion of C#, but can't you use something like a streamreader and readline() ?
[09:26] <stgraber> that's just an idea by the way
[09:26] <jdong> aha, figured it out
[09:26] <jdong> peek()
[09:26] <jdong> yeah, a streamreader (Process.StandardOutput) is used
[09:26] <jdong> just figuring out how to determine end-of-file condition
[09:26] <jdong> and it's checking peek()
[09:27] <jdong> which Gtk# control would I use for a scrollable text area
[09:27] <jdong> i.e. to display output from an executing program
[09:31] <jdong> figured it out again :P
[09:33] <stgraber> textview ?
[09:34] <jdong> put textview in a ScrollableWindow thingie :P
[10:36] <asantoni> hey much-revered MOTU, Mixxx 1.5.0 was just released, and the only difference between the pre-release version in Feisty and the final release is a few MINOR bug fixes
[10:36] <asantoni> would an updated Mixxx package make it through UVF?
[10:38] <LaserJock> perhaps
[10:38] <LaserJock> might depend on how minor the bugs are
[10:38] <LaserJock> if they are easy fixes would could just apply them to the existing package
[10:39] <LaserJock> if they are a pain to backport and are very needed fixes then that's more grounds for a UVF exception
[11:23] <rmjb> Hey guys
[11:28] <ScottK> Hey rmjb