Riddellmanchicken: edgy to feisty upgrade needs testing yes12:27
manchickenRiddell: I'm already on feisty.12:29
manchickenRiddell: I still don't know what's causing that segfault in adept_updater.12:29
manchickenIt works fine in adept_manager.....12:29
jjesseRiddell: to test edgy -> feisty upgrade besides add your repo do i have to do antyhing special?  i think you mentioned something about building a .deb in an email12:37
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_StefanS_Riddell: I just sent you some updated patches, more information is in the mail.12:38
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jjesse!info kdebase feisty12:47
ubotukdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 49 kB, installed size 96 kB12:47
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ubuntuhi, any reason the disk partitioner in herd5 wont let me select a partition size smaller than 79.7 GB?12:51
Hobbseeubuntu: the guy who will be able to tell you that probably wont be online, as i'ts the weekend.  his name is cjwatson12:54
ubuntualso on the manual partition its not clear how one would create a new partition12:54
ubuntu(not a new partition table)12:54
Hobbseeanyone know who helmuth.s@gmx.li is?12:55
Hobbseehe's asking me to fix his sound, has no information apart from it not working, and as for why he's emailed me, i'll never know.12:55
manchickenWas there another link on the email?12:56
manchickenI get a lot of spam that kinda looks like that.12:56
ubuntudoes the herd5 installer support upgrading my 6.10?12:57
Hobbseeubuntu: try #kubuntu for support, please12:57
Hobbseemanchicken: no, no other links12:57
Hobbseefirst of all- thank You for Ubuntu !!!12:58
HobbseeI have no sound.12:58
Hobbseesound from Knoppix 4.0 Live CD is OK12:58
Hobbseesound from Ubuntu 7.0 Live CD exists but with strong scratching12:58
Hobbseesound from Ubuntu 7.0 HD installation: no sound12:58
Hobbseetherefore i must run XP :-(( but i m sure, You will solve the problem. Thank You!12:58
Hobbseekind regards12:58
HobbseeHelmuth Supik12:58
manchickenI still think it's funny when people complain about development versions when they're not developing anything.12:59
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manchickenIt seems like we try really hard to make it obvious, and they try really hard to ignore the warnings ^_^01:00
Hobbseewallpaper would help01:01
Hobbseebut i mean...why try to report a bug to one developer via private email?01:02
Hobbseeit's not even on a mailing list!01:02
Hobbseeohhh....it's probably a guy from kubuntu-users mailing list, tog et my email.01:02
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Hobbseeor they've gone to launchpad to get it.  which seems more likely, based on what it is01:02
yuriyi've gotten an email like that before, in russian01:03
HobbseealleeEdgy32: you around?01:04
Hobbseewho works on digikam, again?01:04
ubuntuKNetworkManager is really nice :-o01:04
yuriyallee i think01:04
yuriybtw it's still not back by default?01:04
Hobbseeat the moment, iirc01:04
UbugtuMalone bug 89566 in digikam "digikam has dependency on libdigikam-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 01:05
Hobbseeoh wait...01:05
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Hobbseewell, more than's getting thru gmail, anyway01:09
Hobbseegmail's stopping 1243 from the last 30 days.  not too bad.01:09
yuriyHobbsee: the desktop bugs week idea01:10
Hobbseeyuriy: yep01:10
yuriyi was thinking maybe organize it for the week after next01:10
Hobbseewe should probably ask tonio_ if he can be in a bug fixing mood around then01:11
Hobbseeare we just going to triage the bugs, or fix them?01:12
yuriywell hopefully both :) but i was going more for the triaging aspect. it depends on the number of people we get01:14
yuriyi'd like to do some fixing myself if we can recruit some more people to do the triaging01:15
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ubuntu_another possible bug for the partitioning guy: i went through the resize process, and its been sitting at 0% for "resizing partiton..." for the last 10 minutes or so :-/01:18
ubuntu_ok not it went from 0%->100% in about 2 seconds01:20
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manchickenWhat does triaging a bug entail?01:25
jdongmanchicken: well, it's difficult to assess the vitals of an insect using conventional emergency room equiptment01:27
jdongyou would want to immediately get a monitor on the SpO2 though01:27
jdongand begin oxygen therapy and morphine01:27
manchickenWould triaging the bug possibly help determine the cause, not just where it's crashing?01:28
jdongwell first would be figuring out if the bug report is "valid"01:28
jdongi.e. can one reproduce it01:28
jdongor if it is more likely that the issue arised from user error01:28
jdongand once you get past that stage, definitely trying to hunt down the cause would be good :)01:28
manchickenRiddell: Has the fix for the status column thing been committed?01:29
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manchickenSilly timezones.01:32
jdongmanchicken: MS is charging 4000 to update that :D01:34
jdongfor extended-support-cycle products01:34
manchickenCharging 4K to fix what?01:34
manchickenOh, the recent timezone patches?01:34
manchickenI was referring to Riddell being 6 hours ahead of me.01:35
manchickenTimezone patches should be required by law, since they're actually changed by law.01:36
manchickenIf politicians want to change timezones, they need to provide us with laws that force proprietary software fascists to provide those patches free of charge.01:37
manchickenyuriy: I fixed Bug #82431, but I'm not sure if it's committed yet.01:39
UbugtuMalone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8243101:39
mhbhi all01:40
yuriymanchicken: nice :) good luck with the segfault01:41
manchickenyuriy: Wanna help figure it out?  I've been fighting it forever.  I can't figure it out.01:41
yuriymanchicken: don't really know how to use gdb etc. :( also, doing hw01:42
yuriymanchicken: wasn't there some other bug that was happening in the updater and not the manager (or vice versa)01:43
yuriythat was fixed01:43
Hobbseemanchicken: if we got people to triage the adept bugs, and get enough info, etc, do you feel like going and fixing them all?01:48
manchickenHobbsee: I'll fix as many as I can. :)01:49
Hobbseemanchicken: cool.  yuriy, i think that's our first01:49
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manchickenOur first what?01:55
manchickenAm I the first sucker who agreed to play Orkin man on our precious adept?01:56
mhbmanchicken|away: I believe they meant "first bug to be fixed by you :o)"02:00
manchicken|awaymhb: I think it's the third or so.02:04
manchickenmhb: I also fixed the one with the kubuntu-updater wizard crashing.02:05
mhbmanchicken: well, you still get me wrong02:05
mhb"first bug fixed by you and submitted by yuriy&hobbsee"02:06
manchickenHobbsee: If bugs are assigned to me, I promise to give them a good looking at.02:07
manchickenHobbsee: I can't guarantee a fix every time, but I can promise to look ^_^02:08
Hobbseemanchicken: *grin*02:08
Hobbseemanchicken: well, we can find you the adept bug list, then you can fix whatever you like02:08
manchickenI'm still not smart like JR or those smart people who fixed the debconf issue.02:08
Hobbseethen again, if we assign them to you, then you'll be under pressure to fix them :P02:08
Hobbseeheh. i'm not either02:08
manchickenWell if there are big problems I can look at them.02:09
yuriyi though Hobbsee meant our first recruit02:09
manchickenI think I need someone else to look at that adept_updater crash issue with the details button and changelogUrl() method.02:09
manchickenI'm gonna have to move on with that one for a little while.  It's insane how much time I've spent running in circles on that one.02:10
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Hobbseemanchicken: that's fine, there are still bugs left :)02:17
manchickenAssign away :)02:18
manchickenI'm gonna see if any filed bugs about this changelog crash have any more information for me.02:19
manchickenHobbsee, dearie, what think you of bug #55549?02:23
UbugtuMalone bug 55549 in adept "No safety from breaking system with Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5554902:23
manchickenThat sounds like a great topic for UDS02:23
=== Hobbsee is *not* dearie.
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=== manchicken dodges the doom-stick
Hobbseemakes it sound like you're addressing my grandmother or something02:23
Hobbseeor great one.  who is non-existant.02:23
manchickenNaw, I'm playing this game with insane word-play.02:24
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manchickenJust got me a little silly, eh?02:24
Hobbseemanchicken: well, a) we cant really block people getting rid of kubuntu-desktop.  b) that already ahppens for essential stuff, and c)  the way adept handles "breaks" is terrible, and needs fixing.02:25
yuriy+1 for c02:27
yuriyc++ :D02:27
Hobbseehehe :)02:27
manchickenWell, I thought that this particular bug report may have a simple usability fix.02:29
Hobbseewhich is?02:29
Hobbseeshow the user what's breaking, and suggest how to fix it?02:29
manchickenI think the problem with this one is that adept was being smart.  He wasn't expecting things to change like that, but he hit the button without checking.02:29
manchickenIf we show them the changes to take place and say "really make these changes?" that might help.02:30
manchickenI don't like silly questions any more than the next guy, but if it has a "don't show me again" on it it may really help.02:30
manchickenHobbsee: I'm on the UDS-Sevilla/Attendees list ^_^02:31
Hobbseemanchicken: woo!  :D02:31
Hobbseemanchicken: true02:31
manchickenThat flight is going to scare the fsck out of me.02:32
manchickenI hate flying.02:32
mhbwhere's that list?02:32
Hobbseemanchicken: flying's not so evil02:35
Hobbseebesides, your flight wont be that far, will it?02:35
manchicken12 hours I suspect02:35
manchickenI'm just east of the middle of the USA.  Quite some distance from Espana.02:36
manchickenOkay, I'm gonna go pretend I'm 12 again and play video games while drinking beer in bed... except that when I was 12 I think it was more like sugary pop instead of beer.02:38
manchickenOh, Hobbsee, did you see that article I put up on my blog?02:39
manchickenAbout Riverbed Technology?02:39
manchickenPretty hilarious.02:39
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Hobbseemanchicken: about the FSF stuff?  there was only 1 in the last couple of days?02:40
manchickenNaw....  I'll link....02:41
manchickenAnd don't forget to digg ^_^02:42
mhbmanchicken: by the way, what bug do you need help with?02:43
manchickenmhb: I'm not sure if it's got a number yet... it probably needs one.02:43
mhbmanchicken: describe it then :o)02:44
manchickenBug #85056 may be related.02:45
UbugtuMalone bug 85056 in adept "adept_updater try's to fetch changelog from other package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8505602:45
Hobbseemanchicken: haha02:45
manchickenOkay, so when you fire up adept_updater, if you click the "Details" button, it crashes.02:45
manchickenHobbsee: You like that?02:45
manchickenHobbsee: I asked my dad what to do about it, he said "you've got a blog, don't you?"02:46
Hobbseemanchicken: *grin*02:46
=== Hobbsee should blog.
manchickenI had a dry spell there for a little bit.02:47
manchickenOkay, Bug #87046 is the bug number for this.02:54
UbugtuMalone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8704602:54
manchickenI've confirmed the issue.02:54
manchickenI assigned it to myself out of guilt.02:55
mhbcan I reproduce it if there's nothing to update?02:55
manchickenOoh, a bad merge made it into a release!!02:56
manchickenQSettings: malformed line '<<<<<<< TREE' in group 'Settings'02:56
manchickenQSettings: malformed line '>>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE' in group 'Settings'02:56
manchickenmhb: I don't believe so.02:57
mhbdamn, I just updated02:57
manchickenmhb: Try apt-get source --compile for a package and install the deb.  That should make it so something needs to be installed.02:57
manchickenMaybe just a small proggy.02:57
mhbmanchicken: what you describe sounds like the bug 8951402:57
UbugtuMalone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8951402:57
manchickenSimilar, but not the same.02:58
mhbhappens here too02:58
manchickenthat's what bzr looks like when it finds merge conflicts.02:58
mhbmanchicken: yes02:58
manchickenI would recognize it anywhere because it's so f-ing ugly.02:58
mhbmanchicken: it's supposed to be ugly02:59
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manchickenIt could be more descriptive though.02:59
Hobbseemmm, damn02:59
manchickene.g. version numbers02:59
manchickenHave you seen how svn does merge conflicts?02:59
manchickenIt's beautiful.02:59
Hobbseeheya praetor__!!!03:00
Hobbseewell, there's another adept fixer :P03:00
praetor__i just installed herd5, you guys know what packages are needed for mp3s and such?03:00
praetor__yea adept feels pretty nice :-)03:00
praetor__i saw my kmail export patch made it in too03:00
manchickenadept is rocking your world AND your mother.03:00
manchickenYou can't stop it.  Nope.  Nope.  You can't stop it.03:01
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manchickenAs soon as adept_updater's use of ItemChangelog gets working without the stupid crashes it'll rock longer and harder.03:01
praetor__i saw there is an ubuntu-restricted-extras package03:01
manchickenpraetor__: You're playing with adept, too?03:01
praetor__but it seems to depend on gstreamer and such03:02
mhbmanchicken: okay, I reproduced the adept_updater issue (surprise, eh?)03:02
praetor__manchicken: i wrote the kubuntu_upgrader library03:02
manchickenmhb: No surprise here m8 ^_^03:02
manchickenpraetor__: Ooh!03:02
manchickenpraetor__: you're my new friend.03:02
manchickenpraetor__: Got any time to look at Bug #87046 ?03:02
UbugtuMalone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8704603:02
manchickenpraetor__: Cool... that would make it funny if you helped with 87046 ^_^03:03
mhbmanchicken: is this the first version the bug appears in?03:04
manchickenpraetor__: I fixed Bug #7832003:04
UbugtuMalone bug 78320 in adept "Adept Updater crashes on update" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7832003:04
manchickenmhb: This is new with the changelog merge... I'm not sure what release the patch was applied for.03:05
manchickenmhb: I have it in bzr though if you're interested.03:05
mhbmanchicken: so it works without the patch?03:05
mhbmanchicken: well then I'd like to see it03:05
manchickenThat's the branch in launchpad03:06
praetor__manchicken: i can't reproduce that bug in adept manager, so i'll wait till theres something to update and have a look at updater03:07
mhbis it kubuntu_07_show_changelog.diff ?03:07
manchickenpraetor__: That's what's so damned funny.03:07
manchickenmhb: Probably.  I just submit patches, I don't package.03:07
manchickenpraetor__: It doesn't break at all in adept_manager.  Works like a charm.03:07
praetor__yea weird03:07
praetor__does kubuntu have a restricted-extras package?03:08
manchickenpraetor__: And when I looked at it in gdb it looked like it was receiving the **exact** same input.03:08
praetor__that brings in whatever xine stuff we need for avi, mp3 and such03:08
manchickenWhy do we work with computers again?03:09
mhbpraetor__: I don't think so03:09
manchickenOkay, I'm going to go be a hypocrite and play with proprietary video game software now.03:10
mhbmanchicken: what's that?03:10
manchickenI got Phoenix Wright for my Nintendo DS.03:10
manchickenI also run a video game blog at http://www.anyconsole.com03:11
manchickenIt's just something me and my brother set up that we're going to do alot more of after the move.03:11
mhbI love to fix bugs at 3am :o)03:11
manchickenI've got 201103:11
manchickenOkay, enough hitting my head against the brick wall.  I'm gonna go play video games for real now.  Later.03:12
mhbmanchicken: if you fix the bug or make progress, let me know03:12
manchickenmhb: Believe me, I'll make world headlines if I fix this one.03:12
mhbmanchicken: thanks03:12
mhbmanchicken: just poke me you did something, otherwise I never find out :o)03:13
mhband see you03:13
manchicken"The world's strangest bearded fat man gave the world's loudest jubilant scream earlier today.  Property owners are suing for damages in the billions of dollars, and dog owners are furious."03:13
manchickenLater folks.03:14
yuriyi guess i've now officially started blogging03:24
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yuriynow i guess i need some current material03:30
Hobbseeyuriy: you can say how rsync rocks over cp -u03:31
yuriyi use unison03:32
yuriyexcept that my nfs mount doesn't seem to work anymore..03:32
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yuriythat's for syncing 2 different pc's not for backup though (ok ok i admit it's my backup too)03:33
yuriyfor now i just 'backported' a post03:44
Jucatocould not connect to host gamemank.wordpress.com.... hm...03:47
Jucatoonly when clicking from konvi...03:48
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yuriyJucato: *shrug* can't be my fault, i'm not hosting04:10
Jucatoyuriy: no. it must be konversation's fault. I can access the site directly in Konqueror04:10
claydoh well I was just there via konnvi, but my browser is ff04:11
claydohI know, I should use Konq more, I know04:12
Jucatoclaydoh: clicked on the link yuriy gave, said could not connect to host...04:13
Jucatobut I'm running svn anyway so...04:13
Jucatoha! now it works04:13
claydohso what is new in konversation in svn over 1.0.1?04:14
Jucatohm... now that you mention it... I forgot lol04:14
Jucatooh text background colors (ala mIRC)... but it's a bit buggy so might be taken out again04:14
Jucatoa separate notification setting for private messages04:15
claydohthat one is nice04:15
yuriysomething i've been wanting in konvi, does the systray icon change colors when you're not connected?04:15
Jucatohm.. nope...04:15
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JucatoI could ask if they have plans of implementing04:15
Jucatoyuriy: <argonel> it might04:18
manchicken|awayIsn't there a UDS in November?04:19
Hobbseemanchicken|away: yes04:19
manchicken|awayWhere is it at?04:19
yuriyJucato: thanks04:20
Jucatoyuriy: although "it might" could also mean "it might not" :P04:20
yuriyhow do they choose these places?04:20
Hobbsee[Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:17]  <sabdfl>   UDS is (I think) week of May 5th04:20
Hobbsee[Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:21]  <sabdfl>   in Seville, Spain04:20
Hobbsee[Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:25]  <sabdfl>   next one is in November04:20
Hobbsee[Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:27]  <sabdfl>   in Boston04:20
Hobbseemanchicken|away: ^04:21
manchicken|awayReally?  Boston?04:21
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yuriyHobbsee: sweeet04:21
=== Jucato will attend
Jucatoin my dreams! lol04:21
HobbseeJucato: you can apply for sponsorship :P04:22
=== Hobbsee wont be going in november
manchicken|awayMaybe while we're doing that we could crash the FSF headquarters at MIT.04:22
=== claydoh could crash UDS in Boston, only a 5 hr bus trip :)
=== n8k99 knows boston is close now, but november may find him next door to Hobbsee
manchicken|awayclaydoh: Seriously.04:25
manchicken|awayI could do Boston without too much trouble.04:25
manchicken|awayI wouldn't even have to fly.04:25
Hobbseen8k99: really?  nice!04:25
manchicken|awaySo when are we doing UDS down in ausland?04:25
manchicken|awayThat'd be a *VERY* long flight....04:26
n8k99well i may become a member of SLUG04:26
claydohmanchicken|away: if I could get aay for a day :( work sucks that way04:26
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Hobbseemanchicken|away: was in may 0504:26
Hobbseeor 0604:26
Hobbseeone of them04:26
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Hobbseeno, 0504:26
Hobbseen8k99: nice :)04:26
Hobbseen8k99: where are you planning o live?04:26
n8k99we hope Manley04:26
n8k99wifey wants the daughter to be a nipper04:27
Hobbseenice :)04:29
Hobbseeguess you'd have the money to do that, too, if you're in the US04:29
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Hobbseemanly....yeah, you could get to SLUG from there04:29
n8k99haha! not me, i'm a kept man! ;-)04:30
Hobbseen8k99: hrm?04:30
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n8k99well- that and i raise the daughter, clean the house and go to school to get a tech job04:31
=== n8k99 maybe that came out wrong
Hobbseetrue, but i dont see what that has to do with your statement of being a kept man04:32
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n8k99aaah self-deprecating humor - nomatter how pathetic it maybe- does not translate well over IRC04:33
=== n8k99 gets nervous whenever money is discussed
Hobbseefact of the matter is, your money is worht more than our money.   a lot more.  you are in the US, arent you?04:36
Hobbsee(sydney's known for it's unaffordable house prices, particularly close to the city)04:36
n8k99yes, new york, so our money is worth more than the rest of the US04:36
Hobbseeeven better04:36
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n8k99sydney is 12 places below NYC on the most expensive places to live04:37
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Hobbseeah, interesting04:38
n8k99strangely Moscow is number 1!04:38
yuriyn8k99: worth more eh? not in baseball players clearly :D04:41
n8k99yuriy: huh? what baseball players?04:43
Hobbseen8k99: where's this link?04:43
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ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs04:44
yuriyn8k99: measure inflation by the yankees' total payroll04:44
n8k99oh right04:44
n8k99Hobbsee: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/top-50-cities/2006/06/26/1151174117013.html04:45
n8k99oops! sydney is only 9 behind nyc!04:45
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n8k99are there parts of sydney (suburbs and such) where it is difficult to get to slug?04:50
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yuriyi'm taking a little break from blendering. where's a good place to put a wiki page for a kubuntu desktop bug spree04:51
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Hobbseen8k99: well, it takes ages to get there, depending on where you're coming from, nad how you're getting there05:04
Hobbseeyuriy: fridge.u.c05:04
yuriyHobbsee: i don't mean an announcement, more of a schedule05:04
n8k99copy that Hobbsee05:05
Hobbseen8k99: wiki's good05:05
Hobbseen8k99: so's a ML05:05
Hobbseeprobably wiki first, then ML - ie, send the final copy to relevant mailing lists05:06
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Hobbseen8k99: depends which ml you're thinking about05:06
n8k99slug announce05:07
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yuriyHobbsee: need to work out a schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs06:09
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Hobbseeyuriy: looking now.  kde compositing is *weird*!06:28
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yuriyHobbsee: weird? how so? it's glitchy..06:46
Hobbseebut once you find some sane defaults, it's actually not too bad.06:46
Jucatokompmgr or kwin_composite?06:46
HobbseeJucato: whatever's in system settings, under window settings06:49
JucatoKDE 3.5.x? that'd be kompmgr06:49
Jucatoit's being buggy is a feature, not a bug. :D06:49
Jucatono really, seriously :)06:50
Jucatoit was more of a "hey we can do this compositing thing" thing, than a "this is how to do it correctly" thing... proof of concept... that stuck around longer than booger on a wall...06:50
Jucatoew... sorry for being gross06:50
yuriyis kwin_composite in the snapshot?06:51
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HobbseeJucato: hehe06:52
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ubotubzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.07:18
nixternalhiya Hobbsee!07:19
Hobbseeheya nixternal!07:19
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nixternaldude, that is a Win2K key07:22
nixternalthat is the same one I use for installing it07:22
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nixternalI noticed the RHQQ2 part of it07:22
nixternalis it?07:22
nixternalI have the key written down somewhere as well07:22
Hobbseeryanakca: you around?07:22
Jucatobut I was actually wondering more about the act of having that as your quit message...07:23
Jucatoisn't it a bit.. unbecoming of an Ubuntu member?07:23
nixternalya, I have it as a Win2K key07:23
Hobbseeyou can use the product key on more than one machine though, iirc.07:23
Hobbseeso it would work07:23
nixternalfor Win2K you can07:23
HobbseeJucato: is it?  wouldnt think so07:23
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nixternalWinXP and Genuine Advantage kills that07:23
Jucatohence the "wondering"07:23
nixternalHobbsee: Beryl is better :)07:23
Hobbseenixternal: beryl contains non-free components.07:24
Jucatoalthough from my end, it's like implicitly condoning piracy. but if what Hobbsee said were true.. then it wouldn't really be piracy :)07:24
nixternalhow is that so considering the GPL license?07:24
nixternalif it does, I am reporting them to the FSF07:24
Hobbseenixternal: the shaders are binaries without accompanyhing sources07:24
Hobbseeafaik, and i'm going on what mithrandir said when he was looking thru the licencing...that constitutes non-free, doesnt it?07:25
Jucatothat's news to me07:25
nixternalsame here07:25
nixternalHobbsee: that constitutes death by a very pointy stick!07:25
Hobbseewhen p.u.c comes back up, search for beryl on that.07:25
crimsun(but we _do_ love non-free blobs! more crack for the peanut gallery!)07:26
Hobbseecrimsun: *grin*07:27
Hobbseeyeah, well.  for my wifi card, yes.07:27
Hobbseefor bits of bling?  no.07:27
crimsunpoor non-free pony blob :/07:27
HobbseeJucato: i know it used to be that way, at least @ the piracy...i havent tried bootlegging a copy of windows in a while though, as i have 2 licences for it (darn it)07:29
darksider415So, anyone have any experience with TI SD card readers under Feisty?07:42
Hobbseedarksider415: try #ubuntu+1 for that07:44
darksider415Thanks for the redirect.07:45
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LongPointyStickhiya GNUro!10:54
GNUroHey LongPointyStick!:)10:54
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Jucatoouch ouch ouch! that tickles! :D10:55
GNUroLongPointyStick: Does Kwin control the windows opacity?10:57
Jucatoonly if you have compositing (kompmgr) enabled10:57
GNUroJucato: ok10:58
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ErunnoIs there any hope that Bug #85289 will be fixed in Feisty ?12:16
UbugtuMalone bug 85289 in Ubuntu "KNetworkManager sometimes fails when resume session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8528912:16
LongPointyStickErunno: hopefully12:22
LongPointyStickif it handled sessions a bit better, that'd be good12:22
mhbgood morning, everyone12:24
ErunnoGood morning.12:25
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mhbum ... I have a rather stupid question. When I run an X program as root (using sudo -i) the app states "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" ... can I fix it somehow?12:32
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mhboh well, I'll try the support channel first12:33
LongPointyStickhiya mhb12:37
LongPointyStickmhb: dont remember what the solution is, sorry12:38
abattoirhi LongPointyStick :)12:38
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mhbLongPointyStick: no problem, abattoir knew :o)12:39
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Jucatoexcuse me, I locked the topic in #kubuntu after someone accidentally changed it to a blank. if there's a policy against doing that in the support channels please let me know01:56
apokryphosnot a policy against it, but we try to keep it -t in #kubuntu, but we do change it from time to time when people start being silly01:59
JucatoI'll remove the lock tomorrow (as per #ubuntu-ops recommendation :D )02:00
Jucatojust thought I'd say it here to inform Riddell and others :)02:00
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Hobbseemanchicken|away: are you sending email thru your work?02:23
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Hobbseeer, all email?02:26
RiddellJucato: that's fine, thanks02:26
ryanakcaHobbsee: Yes02:29
Hobbseeryanakca: yes to which?02:29
ryanakca[01:22]  <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you around?02:29
ryanakcaIt's 7 hours later... but I'm here02:29
Hobbseeryanakca: ahh.  now, iirc....what it was about02:29
Hobbseeryanakca: in your k-d-s commit, you've got that you merged polyester or something02:30
ryanakcaRiddell: did you get those two emails I sent you?02:30
Hobbseethere's a bug filed about a messy merge, or something - it's assigned to me at the moment, but i'm suspecting it's something that youv'e done?02:30
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ryanakcaI've got that I merged polyester?02:30
ryanakcaHobbsee: all I did was add two lines to polyesterrc02:30
ryanakcaWhat time is it out in Australia?02:31
Hobbseeryanakca: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/89514 got anything to dow ith your changes?02:31
UbugtuMalone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 02:31
Riddellryanakca: which ones?02:32
Hobbseeryanakca: 12.3002:32
ryanakcaRiddell: the only two I'e sent you since before Christmas... umm... for bzr-gtk and k-d-s02:34
ryanakcabug 8951402:35
UbugtuMalone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8951402:35
ryanakcabbl, breakfast02:35
ryanakcayeah, that's probably me02:36
ryanakcaI'll have to look at it after breakfast02:36
Hobbseewhich is odd, as i can tsee that in the file now02:38
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mhbnight LongPointyStick02:42
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tomaRiddell: anything i can do for you?03:28
Riddelltoma: as in random kubuntu tasks?03:30
Riddelltoma: working out why google suggest doesn't work in the konqueror top left search bar would be handy03:31
tomaRiddell: what's not working?03:32
Riddelltoma: when I type in a search it doesn't give me google suggest03:33
Riddellshould have a drop down menu with google suggest results03:33
tomao, ok, 3.5.5abla seems to work, let me upgrade and try03:33
Riddellhmm, it works if I choose "use Google Suggest for All Searches"03:34
Riddellbut not if it's for Google Only03:34
manchickenHey Riddell, do you know if the patch for bug #82431 was committed yet?03:36
UbugtuMalone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8243103:36
tomaRiddell: works for me03:36
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tomai'll upgrade everything and try again03:37
marseillaiRiddell: i've on my hard drive an "old" dapper wich had some configuration problems. If you want i can upgrade it to edgy and test adept-dist-upgrader or do any other test you need on it.03:38
Riddellmarseillai: not yet n03:40
Riddellmarseillai: yes please03:41
JucatoRiddell: the Google Suggest problem is in Feisty only?03:41
RiddellJucato: dunno, could just be on my computer only for all I know03:41
Jucatoit's working on my Edgy though03:42
marseillaiRiddell: oki will test it this afternoon03:43
tomaJucato: ok, good to know, i need 20 minutes to upgrade to latest feisty and then i'll try there03:43
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ryanakcanice knowing you03:44
tomanow i'm scared03:44
Jucatohehe so far I haven't heard of problems upgrading... though they might have been raised while I'm asleep :)03:44
tomaah, well, screwed my boot sector when i last upgraded, worse than that it can not be ;-)03:45
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tomaRiddell: i must be blind, but where is the patch for google suggest?04:14
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tomayou scared me for nothing guys04:24
tomaRiddell: suggest works fine04:26
tomaRiddell: if you give me a pointer to the source, i can still have a look04:26
tomao is that sylvester04:28
tomathe theme04:30
Jucatoah polyester :)04:30
tomaclose, non? ;-)04:31
Jucatovery :)04:32
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tomaRiddell: nm, got it, kdeaddons04:33
Jucatomanchicken|away: are you there?04:37
tomaRiddell: can you paste the output of `grep CurrentEngine ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc` ?04:39
manchicken|awayJucato: Try me again in 2 hours.  I've gotta go say goodbye to some great friends.04:40
Jucatomanchicken|away: I'll be out by then... anyway, re: blog post.. try to take a peek at shipit04:40
Jucatomanchicken|away: requires registration too04:41
manchicken|awayBut that's for mailing.04:41
manchicken|awaySun requires it for downloading.04:41
Jucatook that's different :)04:41
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manchicken|awayCan't ship without an address to ship to ^_^04:42
manchicken|awayI also doubt I'll be seeing any spam from shipit.04:42
manchicken|awaySun on the otherhand...04:42
Jucatohm... I thought Sun will be shipping them?04:42
manchicken|awayYes, but I think they sell information.04:42
manchicken|awayHey Riddell, do you know if the patch for bug #82431 was committed yet?04:42
UbugtuMalone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8243104:42
Jucatohttp://get.opensolaris.org/ <-- starter kit04:42
manchicken|awayYup.  But they also require that same registration to download.04:43
manchicken|awayI ordered the startup kit, too, btw.04:43
Jucatothat's silly...04:43
manchicken|awayI really want to see GNU/Solaris ^_^04:43
manchicken|awaygotta go.  Check ya later.04:44
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=== ryanakca thinks he's found a konqueror bug... http://blog.ryanak.ca/ in konqueror. Ctrl - Scroll up (mouse). the Copyright will go from Small to Big to Small to Big to Small, while the rest of the text progressively gets bigger.
xerosisryanakca: crashes firefox too :(04:51
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Jucatobtw, Ctrl+Scroll to adjust fonts doesn't work in KDE 3.5.6 it seems04:52
ryanakcaxerosis: Fx doesn't crash here... there's just massive letters04:52
xerosisryanakca: was just a one-off it seems04:52
Jucatooh wait it works here?!? :O04:53
Jucatoryanakca: no problem here..04:53
ryanakcaproblem seems to have disappeared here as well04:53
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Jucatooh btw you're using WP right?04:55
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Jucatothought you might want to know this: http://wordpress.org/development/2007/03/upgrade-212/04:56
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ryanakcaThanks for the info though 04:58
ryanakcanow, what should I make my first entry about...04:59
ryanakcabrb, reboot05:01
mhbme? :o)05:01
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mhbryanakca: so, what about my suggestion? :o)05:37
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ryanakcamhb: which one?05:43
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mhbryanakca: 17:03 < ryanakca> now, what should I make my first entry about... 17:05 < mhb> me? :o)05:45
ryanakcaoh, lol05:45
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Riddellhttp://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?id=143304&method=entry  hmm, doesn't look like qt 3 is going to get condensed fonts07:14
mhbtoo bad07:17
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tomaRiddell: can you paste the output of `grep CurrentEngine ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc` ?08:25
oslohi is there some crashing problems for k9copy after it scans all tracks ? from an iso or from a vido_ts file...08:26
mhboslo: k9copy is in multiverse, so it's not "supported" by Kubuntu08:28
mhboslo: which means there is a slim chance one of us actually knows the answer to your question08:28
oslook sorry08:28
Riddelltoma: ^^08:29
mhboslo: you can check who uploaded k9copy to multiverse and ask him08:29
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Riddellit's all tonio's fault08:29
Riddell(k9copy is)08:29
oslomhb> k good idea ;)08:29
osloRiddell> k08:30
tomaRiddell: that should be "google" for google suggest to work for google only..08:30
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ryanakcaRiddell: I'll get you the email for Guidance / Career Choice teacher (for the volunteer hours)08:30
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tomaRiddell: I can not reproduce here, it seems to work fine for me and I dont see any obvious errors in the code. Its hard to debug your computer from here ;-)08:39
Riddelltoma: loading up a live CD08:41
mhbLure: modified my battery suggestion to fit your needs: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7243/batteryscreenshot5mb2.png08:43
yuriymhb: what's the white line on the battery?08:47
tomaRiddell: the only thing i spotted is that there is an enum where the first of the items is not set to 0, while the reset of the code depends on that. But I think all compilers will assign the first item to 0.08:48
mhbyuriy: that's a label :o)08:49
mhbyuriy: it's an Oxygen batter icon modified a bit (no shadows) and resized08:49
Riddelltoma: it doesn't work on a live CD, unless I set it to Use on All Searches08:52
tomaRiddell: that's a herd cd?08:55
Riddelltoma: yes08:55
tomaRiddell: oki, I will download and burn it, not sure how to debug that, but i'll try08:56
RiddellI could just change GoogleSuggestMode=1 in k-d-s08:57
Riddellshould sort it08:57
tomawe can do the ugly solutions anytime08:58
yuriyRiddell: mhb, Hobbsee and i were discussing doing a week of attacking one package's bugs a day kind of like the ubuntu desktop team did09:02
yuriyi'm working on a schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs and need 5 important packages09:03
Riddellquestion is if it's source packages or binary packages09:04
Riddellyes, adept would be cool09:04
Riddellsend stuff to bugs.kde.org if suitable09:04
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yuriymanchicken volunteered to have adept bugs assigned to him09:05
yuriyi'm not sure whether to do source or binary packages. i think kdebase is the main issue on that one09:05
RiddellI'd say source packages make more sense09:06
Riddellso kdelibs and kdebase both targets for bug days09:06
Riddellbugs only in adept 2.1 can go to manchicken but general adept bugs should go upstream09:06
Riddellwe don't want to diverge any more than we have (which is a lot)09:06
yuriyok, i was thinking basically bugs that need and can be fixed for feisty go to manchicken09:07
yuriyI want to start off with something that actually can be done in a day though09:09
Riddellkubuntu-default-settings is a target09:11
Riddellas is kubuntu-meta (which probably shouldn't have any legit bugs)09:11
mhbRiddell: is anyone else (distro) using adept?09:11
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Riddellmhb: don't think so, arklinux were looking at it09:12
RiddellI'm not sure what the rpm support is like09:13
Riddelldebian has it of course09:13
Riddellit would make sense to ask what package manager the fedora KDE spin will use09:13
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mhb but it's great that there are more people hacking adept09:16
mhbperhaps we can do a adept-evolution spec for feisty+1 for manchicken and the like09:16
Riddellmornfall is working on a new version of adept, it all depends on when that will be released09:17
nixternalRiddell: Fedora/KDE spin? wouldn't they use RPM or are they up to something else?09:23
nixternalhrmm, I am getting some weird KDE SVN error asking me for a username and password09:24
nixternalFetching external item into 'trunk/playground/libs/admin'09:24
nixternalAuthentication realm: <https://svn.kde.org:443> KDE SVN account09:24
nixternalseems to have went away now, that was odd09:25
Riddellthe admin stuff it brought in from elsewhere09:25
Riddellfedora would use RPM, but adept should have some rpm support09:26
nixternalhrmm, this KDE SVN issue is back, same issue09:26
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mhb(I know I'm doing unproductive stuff, but hey, it's Sunday) I've updated the Kubuntu Testers team in LP logo & eblem and I thought we can do the same for kubuntu .. I mean the old logo is kinda ... outdated09:38
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ryanakcaUmm... does firefox crash everytime on startup for anyone else?09:45
mhbRiddell: btw, how's the dist-upgrader tool? Ready for wider testing yet?09:46
nixternalryanakca: can't say that it does for me09:47
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ryanakcahas kubuntu.org ever thought of sticking a favicon.ico of the logo in the DocumentRoot ?09:50
mhbryanakca: well I see the favicon.ico09:51
mhbryanakca: it's the same as the kubuntu-team logo for me09:51
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ryanakcaIt shows up in Konversation, but not in Fx...09:52
ryanakcanixternal: fixed. Must've been something strange on one of the pages in the last session... stopped acting up when I went "New Session" instead of "Restore Session"09:57
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_StefanS_Riddell: ping ?10:03
_StefanS_Riddell: did you manage to get those patches working ?10:03
ryanakcahey _StefanS_10:05
_StefanS_hey ryanakca10:05
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_StefanS_hey manchicken_10:21
Riddell_StefanS_: not looked at them yet10:22
Riddell_StefanS_: top of my list for tomorrow, along with manchicken's adept patches10:22
_StefanS_Riddell: oka sounds good :)10:23
_StefanS_Riddell: dont you think it would be okay with the arrow movement as I described ? - I mean its better than nothing10:23
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mhbmanchicken_: around?10:57
mhbmanchicken_: I've made my personal backtrace of that bug we discussed yesterday and I've noticed it doesn't crash every time, only like 75% or so11:11
mhbmanchicken_: may be useless but I still wanted to let you know :o)11:12
mhbwell, today was a pretty bad day for me, I hope tomorrow will be brighter ... good night folks11:13
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ryanakcaRiddell: probably 22:40 out in Scotland, but if you're still awake, what were the conflict lines in polyesterrc?11:37
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manchicken_mhb: Here11:51
ryanakcamhb: fixed the kmilo volume up/down only working between 0% and 10%...11:53
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lontrawhat the differences between Medibuntu's and Kubuntu's amarok packages in feisty?12:19
tomalontra: probably none12:20
lontrashouldn't kubuntu's be the preferred package?12:21
tomalontra: forget what i said12:22
tomai dont know12:23

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