[12:27] <Riddell> manchicken: edgy to feisty upgrade needs testing yes
[12:29] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm already on feisty.
[12:29] <manchicken> Riddell: I still don't know what's causing that segfault in adept_updater.
[12:29] <manchicken> It works fine in adept_manager.....
[12:37] <jjesse> Riddell: to test edgy -> feisty upgrade besides add your repo do i have to do antyhing special?  i think you mentioned something about building a .deb in an email
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just sent you some updated patches, more information is in the mail.
[12:47] <jjesse> !info kdebase feisty
[12:47] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 49 kB, installed size 96 kB
[12:51] <ubuntu> hi, any reason the disk partitioner in herd5 wont let me select a partition size smaller than 79.7 GB?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ubuntu: the guy who will be able to tell you that probably wont be online, as i'ts the weekend.  his name is cjwatson
[12:54] <ubuntu> ok
[12:54] <ubuntu> also on the manual partition its not clear how one would create a new partition
[12:54] <ubuntu> (not a new partition table)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> anyone know who helmuth.s@gmx.li is?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> he's asking me to fix his sound, has no information apart from it not working, and as for why he's emailed me, i'll never know.
[12:56] <manchicken> Was there another link on the email?
[12:56] <manchicken> I get a lot of spam that kinda looks like that.
[12:57] <ubuntu> does the herd5 installer support upgrading my 6.10?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ubuntu: try #kubuntu for support, please
[12:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no, no other links
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Hallo,
[12:58] <Hobbsee> first of all- thank You for Ubuntu !!!
[12:58] <Hobbsee> I have no sound.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sound from Knoppix 4.0 Live CD is OK
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sound from Ubuntu 7.0 Live CD exists but with strong scratching
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sound from Ubuntu 7.0 HD installation: no sound
[12:58] <Hobbsee> therefore i must run XP :-(( but i m sure, You will solve the problem. Thank You!
[12:58] <Hobbsee> kind regards
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Helmuth Supik
[12:58] <manchicken> Heh.
[12:58] <ubuntu> lol
[12:59] <ryanakca> lol
[12:59] <manchicken> I still think it's funny when people complain about development versions when they're not developing anything.
[01:00] <manchicken> It seems like we try really hard to make it obvious, and they try really hard to ignore the warnings ^_^
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:01] <Hobbsee> wallpaper would help
[01:02] <Hobbsee> but i mean...why try to report a bug to one developer via private email?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> it's not even on a mailing list!
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ohhh....it's probably a guy from kubuntu-users mailing list, tog et my email.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> or they've gone to launchpad to get it.  which seems more likely, based on what it is
[01:03] <yuriy> i've gotten an email like that before, in russian
[01:04] <Hobbsee> alleeEdgy32: you around?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> who works on digikam, again?
[01:04] <ubuntu> KNetworkManager is really nice :-o
[01:04] <yuriy> allee i think
[01:04] <yuriy> btw it's still not back by default?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> correct
[01:04] <Hobbsee> at the moment, iirc
[01:05] <Hobbsee> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/89566
[01:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89566 in digikam "digikam has dependency on libdigikam-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:05] <Hobbsee> oh wait...
[01:09] <Hobbsee> well, more than's getting thru gmail, anyway
[01:09] <Hobbsee> gmail's stopping 1243 from the last 30 days.  not too bad.
[01:10] <yuriy> Hobbsee: the desktop bugs week idea
[01:10] <Hobbsee> yuriy: yep
[01:10] <yuriy> i was thinking maybe organize it for the week after next
[01:11] <Hobbsee> we should probably ask tonio_ if he can be in a bug fixing mood around then
[01:12] <Hobbsee> are we just going to triage the bugs, or fix them?
[01:14] <yuriy> well hopefully both :) but i was going more for the triaging aspect. it depends on the number of people we get
[01:15] <yuriy> i'd like to do some fixing myself if we can recruit some more people to do the triaging
[01:18] <ubuntu_> another possible bug for the partitioning guy: i went through the resize process, and its been sitting at 0% for "resizing partiton..." for the last 10 minutes or so :-/
[01:20] <ubuntu_> ok not it went from 0%->100% in about 2 seconds
[01:20] <ubuntu_> *now
[01:25] <manchicken> What does triaging a bug entail?
[01:27] <jdong> manchicken: well, it's difficult to assess the vitals of an insect using conventional emergency room equiptment
[01:27] <jdong> you would want to immediately get a monitor on the SpO2 though
[01:27] <manchicken> heh
[01:27] <jdong> and begin oxygen therapy and morphine
[01:28] <manchicken> Would triaging the bug possibly help determine the cause, not just where it's crashing?
[01:28] <jdong> yeah
[01:28] <jdong> well first would be figuring out if the bug report is "valid"
[01:28] <jdong> i.e. can one reproduce it
[01:28] <jdong> or if it is more likely that the issue arised from user error
[01:28] <jdong> and once you get past that stage, definitely trying to hunt down the cause would be good :)
[01:29] <manchicken> Riddell: Has the fix for the status column thing been committed?
[01:32] <manchicken> Silly timezones.
[01:34] <jdong> manchicken: MS is charging 4000 to update that :D
[01:34] <jdong> for extended-support-cycle products
[01:34] <manchicken> Charging 4K to fix what?
[01:34] <manchicken> Oh, the recent timezone patches?
[01:35] <manchicken> I was referring to Riddell being 6 hours ahead of me.
[01:36] <manchicken> Timezone patches should be required by law, since they're actually changed by law.
[01:37] <manchicken> If politicians want to change timezones, they need to provide us with laws that force proprietary software fascists to provide those patches free of charge.
[01:39] <manchicken> yuriy: I fixed Bug #82431, but I'm not sure if it's committed yet.
[01:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
[01:40] <mhb> hi all
[01:41] <yuriy> manchicken: nice :) good luck with the segfault
[01:41] <manchicken> yuriy: Wanna help figure it out?  I've been fighting it forever.  I can't figure it out.
[01:42] <yuriy> manchicken: don't really know how to use gdb etc. :( also, doing hw
[01:43] <yuriy> manchicken: wasn't there some other bug that was happening in the updater and not the manager (or vice versa)
[01:43] <yuriy> that was fixed
[01:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: if we got people to triage the adept bugs, and get enough info, etc, do you feel like going and fixing them all?
[01:49] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'll fix as many as I can. :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: cool.  yuriy, i think that's our first
[01:55] <manchicken> Our first what?
[01:56] <manchicken> Am I the first sucker who agreed to play Orkin man on our precious adept?
[01:57] <manchicken> brb
[02:00] <mhb> manchicken|away: I believe they meant "first bug to be fixed by you :o)"
[02:04] <manchicken|away> mhb: I think it's the third or so.
[02:05] <manchicken> mhb: I also fixed the one with the kubuntu-updater wizard crashing.
[02:05] <mhb> manchicken: well, you still get me wrong
[02:06] <mhb> "first bug fixed by you and submitted by yuriy&hobbsee"
[02:07] <manchicken> Ah!
[02:07] <manchicken> Hobbsee: If bugs are assigned to me, I promise to give them a good looking at.
[02:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I can't guarantee a fix every time, but I can promise to look ^_^
[02:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *grin*
[02:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, we can find you the adept bug list, then you can fix whatever you like
[02:08] <manchicken> I'm still not smart like JR or those smart people who fixed the debconf issue.
[02:08] <manchicken> heh
[02:08] <Hobbsee> then again, if we assign them to you, then you'll be under pressure to fix them :P
[02:08] <Hobbsee> heh. i'm not either
[02:09] <manchicken> Well if there are big problems I can look at them.
[02:09] <yuriy> i though Hobbsee meant our first recruit
[02:09] <manchicken> I think I need someone else to look at that adept_updater crash issue with the details button and changelogUrl() method.
[02:10] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to move on with that one for a little while.  It's insane how much time I've spent running in circles on that one.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> manchicken: that's fine, there are still bugs left :)
[02:18] <manchicken> Yup
[02:18] <manchicken> Assign away :)
[02:19] <manchicken> I'm gonna see if any filed bugs about this changelog crash have any more information for me.
[02:23] <manchicken> Hobbsee, dearie, what think you of bug #55549?
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55549 in adept "No safety from breaking system with Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55549
[02:23] <manchicken> That sounds like a great topic for UDS
[02:23] <manchicken> heh
[02:23] <Hobbsee> makes it sound like you're addressing my grandmother or something
[02:23] <manchicken> heh
[02:23] <Hobbsee> or great one.  who is non-existant.
[02:24] <manchicken> Naw, I'm playing this game with insane word-play.
[02:24] <manchicken> Just got me a little silly, eh?
[02:24] <manchicken> heh
[02:25] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, a) we cant really block people getting rid of kubuntu-desktop.  b) that already ahppens for essential stuff, and c)  the way adept handles "breaks" is terrible, and needs fixing.
[02:27] <yuriy> +1 for c
[02:27] <yuriy> c++ :D
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[02:29] <manchicken> Well, I thought that this particular bug report may have a simple usability fix.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> which is?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> show the user what's breaking, and suggest how to fix it?
[02:29] <manchicken> I think the problem with this one is that adept was being smart.  He wasn't expecting things to change like that, but he hit the button without checking.
[02:30] <manchicken> If we show them the changes to take place and say "really make these changes?" that might help.
[02:30] <manchicken> I don't like silly questions any more than the next guy, but if it has a "don't show me again" on it it may really help.
[02:31] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm on the UDS-Sevilla/Attendees list ^_^
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: woo!  :D
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true
[02:32] <manchicken> That flight is going to scare the fsck out of me.
[02:32] <mhb> really?
[02:32] <manchicken> I hate flying.
[02:32] <mhb> where's that list?
[02:32] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Attendees
[02:35] <Hobbsee> manchicken: flying's not so evil
[02:35] <Hobbsee> besides, your flight wont be that far, will it?
[02:35] <manchicken> 12 hours I suspect
[02:36] <manchicken> I'm just east of the middle of the USA.  Quite some distance from Espana.
[02:38] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna go pretend I'm 12 again and play video games while drinking beer in bed... except that when I was 12 I think it was more like sugary pop instead of beer.
[02:39] <manchicken> Oh, Hobbsee, did you see that article I put up on my blog?
[02:39] <manchicken> About Riverbed Technology?
[02:39] <manchicken> Pretty hilarious.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: about the FSF stuff?  there was only 1 in the last couple of days?
[02:41] <manchicken> Naw....  I'll link....
[02:42] <manchicken> http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/general/worlds-dumbest-hr-recruiter-email.html
[02:42] <manchicken> And don't forget to digg ^_^
[02:43] <mhb> manchicken: by the way, what bug do you need help with?
[02:43] <manchicken> mhb: I'm not sure if it's got a number yet... it probably needs one.
[02:44] <mhb> manchicken: describe it then :o)
[02:45] <manchicken> Bug #85056 may be related.
[02:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85056 in adept "adept_updater try's to fetch changelog from other package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85056
[02:45] <Hobbsee> manchicken: haha
[02:45] <manchicken> Okay, so when you fire up adept_updater, if you click the "Details" button, it crashes.
[02:45] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You like that?
[02:46] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I asked my dad what to do about it, he said "you've got a blog, don't you?"
[02:46] <manchicken> heh
[02:46] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *grin*
[02:47] <manchicken> I had a dry spell there for a little bit.
[02:54] <manchicken> Okay, Bug #87046 is the bug number for this.
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87046
[02:54] <manchicken> I've confirmed the issue.
[02:55] <manchicken> I assigned it to myself out of guilt.
[02:55] <manchicken> heh
[02:55] <mhb> can I reproduce it if there's nothing to update?
[02:56] <manchicken> Ooh, a bad merge made it into a release!!
[02:56] <manchicken> QSettings: malformed line '<<<<<<< TREE' in group 'Settings'
[02:56] <manchicken> QSettings: malformed line '>>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE' in group 'Settings'
[02:56] <manchicken> vmware-player-kernel-modules
[02:57] <manchicken> mhb: I don't believe so.
[02:57] <mhb> damn, I just updated
[02:57] <manchicken> mhb: Try apt-get source --compile for a package and install the deb.  That should make it so something needs to be installed.
[02:57] <manchicken> Maybe just a small proggy.
[02:57] <mhb> manchicken: what you describe sounds like the bug 89514
[02:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89514
[02:58] <manchicken> Similar, but not the same.
[02:58] <mhb> happens here too
[02:58] <manchicken> that's what bzr looks like when it finds merge conflicts.
[02:58] <mhb> manchicken: yes
[02:58] <manchicken> I would recognize it anywhere because it's so f-ing ugly.
[02:58] <manchicken> ^_^
[02:59] <mhb> manchicken: it's supposed to be ugly
[02:59] <manchicken> True.
[02:59] <manchicken> It could be more descriptive though.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> mmm, damn
[02:59] <manchicken> e.g. version numbers
[02:59] <manchicken> Have you seen how svn does merge conflicts?
[02:59] <manchicken> It's beautiful.
[03:00] <praetor__> hullo
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nope
[03:00] <Hobbsee> heya praetor__!!!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> well, there's another adept fixer :P
[03:00] <praetor__> i just installed herd5, you guys know what packages are needed for mp3s and such?
[03:00] <praetor__> yea adept feels pretty nice :-)
[03:00] <praetor__> i saw my kmail export patch made it in too
[03:00] <manchicken> heh
[03:00] <manchicken> adept is rocking your world AND your mother.
[03:01] <manchicken> You can't stop it.  Nope.  Nope.  You can't stop it.
[03:01] <manchicken> As soon as adept_updater's use of ItemChangelog gets working without the stupid crashes it'll rock longer and harder.
[03:01] <praetor__> i saw there is an ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[03:01] <manchicken> praetor__: You're playing with adept, too?
[03:02] <praetor__> but it seems to depend on gstreamer and such
[03:02] <mhb> manchicken: okay, I reproduced the adept_updater issue (surprise, eh?)
[03:02] <praetor__> manchicken: i wrote the kubuntu_upgrader library
[03:02] <manchicken> mhb: No surprise here m8 ^_^
[03:02] <manchicken> praetor__: Ooh!
[03:02] <manchicken> praetor__: you're my new friend.
[03:02] <praetor__> hah
[03:02] <manchicken> praetor__: Got any time to look at Bug #87046 ?
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87046
[03:03] <manchicken> praetor__: Cool... that would make it funny if you helped with 87046 ^_^
[03:04] <mhb> manchicken: is this the first version the bug appears in?
[03:04] <manchicken> praetor__: I fixed Bug #78320
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78320 in adept "Adept Updater crashes on update" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78320
[03:05] <manchicken> mhb: This is new with the changelog merge... I'm not sure what release the patch was applied for.
[03:05] <manchicken> mhb: I have it in bzr though if you're interested.
[03:05] <mhb> manchicken: so it works without the patch?
[03:05] <manchicken> Yes
[03:05] <mhb> manchicken: well then I'd like to see it
[03:06] <manchicken> https://code.launchpad.net/~manchicken/+branch/adept/updater-changelog-viewer
[03:06] <manchicken> That's the branch in launchpad
[03:07] <praetor__> manchicken: i can't reproduce that bug in adept manager, so i'll wait till theres something to update and have a look at updater
[03:07] <mhb> is it kubuntu_07_show_changelog.diff ?
[03:07] <manchicken> praetor__: That's what's so damned funny.
[03:07] <manchicken> mhb: Probably.  I just submit patches, I don't package.
[03:07] <mhb> heh
[03:07] <manchicken> praetor__: It doesn't break at all in adept_manager.  Works like a charm.
[03:07] <praetor__> yea weird
[03:08] <praetor__> does kubuntu have a restricted-extras package?
[03:08] <manchicken> praetor__: And when I looked at it in gdb it looked like it was receiving the **exact** same input.
[03:08] <praetor__> that brings in whatever xine stuff we need for avi, mp3 and such
[03:09] <manchicken> Why do we work with computers again?
[03:09] <mhb> praetor__: I don't think so
[03:10] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to go be a hypocrite and play with proprietary video game software now.
[03:10] <mhb> :o)
[03:10] <mhb> manchicken: what's that?
[03:10] <manchicken> I got Phoenix Wright for my Nintendo DS.
[03:11] <manchicken> I also run a video game blog at http://www.anyconsole.com
[03:11] <mhb> :o)
[03:11] <manchicken> It's just something me and my brother set up that we're going to do alot more of after the move.
[03:11] <mhb> I love to fix bugs at 3am :o)
[03:11] <manchicken> I've got 2011
[03:11] <manchicken> ^_^
[03:12] <manchicken> Okay, enough hitting my head against the brick wall.  I'm gonna go play video games for real now.  Later.
[03:12] <mhb> manchicken: if you fix the bug or make progress, let me know
[03:12] <manchicken> mhb: Believe me, I'll make world headlines if I fix this one.
[03:12] <mhb> manchicken: thanks
[03:13] <mhb> manchicken: just poke me you did something, otherwise I never find out :o)
[03:13] <mhb> and see you
[03:13] <manchicken> "The world's strangest bearded fat man gave the world's loudest jubilant scream earlier today.  Property owners are suing for damages in the billions of dollars, and dog owners are furious."
[03:14] <manchicken> Later folks.
[03:24] <yuriy> i guess i've now officially started blogging
[03:30] <yuriy> now i guess i need some current material
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you can say how rsync rocks over cp -u
[03:32] <yuriy> i use unison
[03:32] <yuriy> except that my nfs mount doesn't seem to work anymore..
[03:33] <yuriy> that's for syncing 2 different pc's not for backup though (ok ok i admit it's my backup too)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hee
[03:44] <yuriy> for now i just 'backported' a post
[03:44] <yuriy> http://gamemank.wordpress.com/
[03:47] <Jucato> could not connect to host gamemank.wordpress.com.... hm...
[03:48] <Jucato> only when clicking from konvi...
[04:10] <yuriy> Jucato: *shrug* can't be my fault, i'm not hosting
[04:10] <Jucato> yuriy: no. it must be konversation's fault. I can access the site directly in Konqueror
[04:11] <claydoh>  well I was just there via konnvi, but my browser is ff
[04:12] <claydoh> I know, I should use Konq more, I know
[04:13] <Jucato> claydoh: clicked on the link yuriy gave, said could not connect to host...
[04:13] <Jucato> but I'm running svn anyway so...
[04:13] <claydoh> :P
[04:13] <Jucato> ha! now it works
[04:14] <claydoh> so what is new in konversation in svn over 1.0.1?
[04:14] <Jucato> hm... now that you mention it... I forgot lol
[04:14] <Jucato> oh text background colors (ala mIRC)... but it's a bit buggy so might be taken out again
[04:15] <Jucato> a separate notification setting for private messages
[04:15] <claydoh> that one is nice
[04:15] <yuriy> something i've been wanting in konvi, does the systray icon change colors when you're not connected?
[04:15] <Jucato> hm.. nope...
[04:15] <Jucato> I could ask if they have plans of implementing
[04:18] <Jucato> yuriy: <argonel> it might
[04:19] <manchicken|away> Isn't there a UDS in November?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: yes
[04:19] <manchicken|away> Where is it at?
[04:20] <Jucato> Philippines!!!
[04:20] <Jucato> >:)
[04:20] <manchicken|away> Heh
[04:20] <yuriy> Jucato: thanks
[04:20] <Jucato> yuriy: although "it might" could also mean "it might not" :P
[04:20] <yuriy> how do they choose these places?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:17]  <sabdfl>   UDS is (I think) week of May 5th
[04:20] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:21]  <sabdfl>   in Seville, Spain
[04:20] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:25]  <sabdfl>   next one is in November
[04:20] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jan 31 2007]  [09:47:27]  <sabdfl>   in Boston
[04:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: ^
[04:21] <manchicken|away> Really?  Boston?
[04:21] <yuriy> Hobbsee: sweeet
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:21] <Hobbsee> apparently
[04:21] <Jucato> in my dreams! lol
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you can apply for sponsorship :P
[04:22] <manchicken|away> Maybe while we're doing that we could crash the FSF headquarters at MIT.
[04:25] <manchicken|away> claydoh: Seriously.
[04:25] <manchicken|away> I could do Boston without too much trouble.
[04:25] <manchicken|away> I wouldn't even have to fly.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> n8k99: really?  nice!
[04:25] <manchicken|away> So when are we doing UDS down in ausland?
[04:26] <manchicken|away> That'd be a *VERY* long flight....
[04:26] <n8k99> well i may become a member of SLUG
[04:26] <claydoh> manchicken|away: if I could get aay for a day :( work sucks that way
[04:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: was in may 05
[04:26] <Hobbsee> or 06
[04:26] <Hobbsee> one of them
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no, 05
[04:26] <Hobbsee> n8k99: nice :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> n8k99: where are you planning o live?
[04:26] <n8k99> we hope Manley
[04:27] <n8k99> wifey wants the daughter to be a nipper
[04:29] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> guess you'd have the money to do that, too, if you're in the US
[04:29] <Hobbsee> manly....yeah, you could get to SLUG from there
[04:30] <n8k99> haha! not me, i'm a kept man! ;-)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> n8k99: hrm?
[04:31] <n8k99> well- that and i raise the daughter, clean the house and go to school to get a tech job
[04:32] <Hobbsee> true, but i dont see what that has to do with your statement of being a kept man
[04:33] <n8k99> aaah self-deprecating humor - nomatter how pathetic it maybe- does not translate well over IRC
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[04:36] <Hobbsee> fact of the matter is, your money is worht more than our money.   a lot more.  you are in the US, arent you?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> (sydney's known for it's unaffordable house prices, particularly close to the city)
[04:36] <n8k99> yes, new york, so our money is worth more than the rest of the US
[04:36] <Hobbsee> even better
[04:37] <n8k99> sydney is 12 places below NYC on the most expensive places to live
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ah, interesting
[04:38] <n8k99> strangely Moscow is number 1!
[04:41] <yuriy> n8k99: worth more eh? not in baseball players clearly :D
[04:43] <n8k99> yuriy: huh? what baseball players?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> n8k99: where's this link?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !logs
[04:44] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:44] <yuriy> n8k99: measure inflation by the yankees' total payroll
[04:44] <n8k99> oh right
[04:45] <n8k99> Hobbsee: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/top-50-cities/2006/06/26/1151174117013.html
[04:45] <n8k99> oops! sydney is only 9 behind nyc!
[04:46] <Hobbsee> damn...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:50] <n8k99> are there parts of sydney (suburbs and such) where it is difficult to get to slug?
[04:51] <yuriy> i'm taking a little break from blendering. where's a good place to put a wiki page for a kubuntu desktop bug spree
[05:04] <Hobbsee> n8k99: well, it takes ages to get there, depending on where you're coming from, nad how you're getting there
[05:04] <Hobbsee> yuriy: fridge.u.c
[05:04] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i don't mean an announcement, more of a schedule
[05:05] <n8k99> copy that Hobbsee
[05:05] <Hobbsee> n8k99: wiki's good
[05:05] <Hobbsee> n8k99: so's a ML
[05:06] <Hobbsee> probably wiki first, then ML - ie, send the final copy to relevant mailing lists
[05:06] <Hobbsee> n8k99: depends which ml you're thinking about
[05:07] <n8k99> slug announce
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:09] <yuriy> Hobbsee: need to work out a schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs
[06:28] <Hobbsee> yuriy: looking now.  kde compositing is *weird*!
[06:46] <yuriy> Hobbsee: weird? how so? it's glitchy..
[06:46] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:46] <Hobbsee> but once you find some sane defaults, it's actually not too bad.
[06:46] <Jucato> kompmgr or kwin_composite?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: whatever's in system settings, under window settings
[06:49] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.x? that'd be kompmgr
[06:49] <Hobbsee> likely
[06:49] <Jucato> it's being buggy is a feature, not a bug. :D
[06:50] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:50] <Jucato> no really, seriously :)
[06:50] <Jucato> it was more of a "hey we can do this compositing thing" thing, than a "this is how to do it correctly" thing... proof of concept... that stuck around longer than booger on a wall...
[06:50] <Jucato> ew... sorry for being gross
[06:51] <yuriy> is kwin_composite in the snapshot?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe
[07:18] <Hobbsee> !bzr
[07:18] <ubotu> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.
[07:19] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[07:19] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[07:22] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:22] <nixternal> dude, that is a Win2K key
[07:22] <nixternal> that is the same one I use for installing it
[07:22] <nixternal> haha
[07:22] <Jucato> lol
[07:22] <nixternal> I noticed the RHQQ2 part of it
[07:22] <Jucato> lol
[07:22] <nixternal> is it?
[07:22] <nixternal> I have the key written down somewhere as well
[07:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you around?
[07:23] <Jucato> but I was actually wondering more about the act of having that as your quit message...
[07:23] <Jucato> isn't it a bit.. unbecoming of an Ubuntu member?
[07:23] <nixternal> ya, I have it as a Win2K key
[07:23] <Hobbsee> you can use the product key on more than one machine though, iirc.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> so it would work
[07:23] <nixternal> for Win2K you can
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: is it?  wouldnt think so
[07:23] <Jucato> ok...
[07:23] <nixternal> WinXP and Genuine Advantage kills that
[07:23] <Jucato> hence the "wondering"
[07:23] <nixternal> Hobbsee: Beryl is better :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: beryl contains non-free components.
[07:24] <nixternal> WHAT?
[07:24] <Jucato> although from my end, it's like implicitly condoning piracy. but if what Hobbsee said were true.. then it wouldn't really be piracy :)
[07:24] <nixternal> how is that so considering the GPL license?
[07:24] <nixternal> if it does, I am reporting them to the FSF
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the shaders are binaries without accompanyhing sources
[07:24] <nixternal> OMG
[07:25] <Jucato> O.o
[07:25] <Hobbsee> afaik, and i'm going on what mithrandir said when he was looking thru the licencing...that constitutes non-free, doesnt it?
[07:25] <Jucato> that's news to me
[07:25] <nixternal> same here
[07:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that constitutes death by a very pointy stick!
[07:25] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2007-02-19.html
[07:25] <Hobbsee> when p.u.c comes back up, search for beryl on that.
[07:26] <crimsun> (but we _do_ love non-free blobs! more crack for the peanut gallery!)
[07:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: *grin*
[07:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  for my wifi card, yes.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> for bits of bling?  no.
[07:27] <crimsun> poor non-free pony blob :/
[07:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i know it used to be that way, at least @ the piracy...i havent tried bootlegging a copy of windows in a while though, as i have 2 licences for it (darn it)
[07:31] <Jucato> :)
[07:42] <darksider415> So, anyone have any experience with TI SD card readers under Feisty?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> darksider415: try #ubuntu+1 for that
[07:45] <darksider415> Thanks for the redirect.
[10:48] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:54] <LongPointyStick> hiya GNUro!
[10:54] <GNUro> Hey LongPointyStick!:)
[10:55] <Jucato> ouch ouch ouch! that tickles! :D
[10:57] <GNUro> LongPointyStick: Does Kwin control the windows opacity?
[10:57] <Jucato> only if you have compositing (kompmgr) enabled
[10:58] <LongPointyStick> dunno
[10:58] <GNUro> Jucato: ok
[12:16] <Erunno> Is there any hope that Bug #85289 will be fixed in Feisty ?
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85289 in Ubuntu "KNetworkManager sometimes fails when resume session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85289
[12:22] <LongPointyStick> Erunno: hopefully
[12:22] <LongPointyStick> if it handled sessions a bit better, that'd be good
[12:24] <mhb> good morning, everyone
[12:25] <Erunno> Good morning.
[12:32] <mhb> um ... I have a rather stupid question. When I run an X program as root (using sudo -i) the app states "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" ... can I fix it somehow?
[12:33] <mhb> oh well, I'll try the support channel first
[12:37] <LongPointyStick> hiya mhb
[12:38] <LongPointyStick> mhb: dont remember what the solution is, sorry
[12:38] <abattoir> hi LongPointyStick :)
[12:39] <mhb> LongPointyStick: no problem, abattoir knew :o)
[01:56] <Jucato> excuse me, I locked the topic in #kubuntu after someone accidentally changed it to a blank. if there's a policy against doing that in the support channels please let me know
[01:59] <apokryphos> not a policy against it, but we try to keep it -t in #kubuntu, but we do change it from time to time when people start being silly
[02:00] <Jucato> I'll remove the lock tomorrow (as per #ubuntu-ops recommendation :D )
[02:00] <Jucato> just thought I'd say it here to inform Riddell and others :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: are you sending email thru your work?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> er, all email?
[02:26] <Riddell> Jucato: that's fine, thanks
[02:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Yes
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes to which?
[02:29] <ryanakca> [01:22]  <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you around?
[02:29] <ryanakca> It's 7 hours later... but I'm here
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahh.  now, iirc....what it was about
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: in your k-d-s commit, you've got that you merged polyester or something
[02:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you get those two emails I sent you?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> there's a bug filed about a messy merge, or something - it's assigned to me at the moment, but i'm suspecting it's something that youv'e done?
[02:30] <ryanakca> I've got that I merged polyester?
[02:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: all I did was add two lines to polyesterrc
[02:31] <ryanakca> lol
[02:31] <ryanakca> What time is it out in Australia?
[02:31] <ryanakca> brb
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/89514 got anything to dow ith your changes?
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: which ones?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 12.30
[02:32] <Hobbsee> am
[02:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: the only two I'e sent you since before Christmas... umm... for bzr-gtk and k-d-s
[02:35] <ryanakca> bug 89514
[02:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89514 in kubuntu-default-settings "polyesterstylerc contains merge junk (in feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89514
[02:35] <ryanakca> bbl, breakfast
[02:36] <ryanakca> yeah, that's probably me
[02:36] <ryanakca> I'll have to look at it after breakfast
[02:38] <Hobbsee> which is odd, as i can tsee that in the file now
[02:42] <mhb> night LongPointyStick
[03:28] <toma> Riddell: anything i can do for you?
[03:30] <Riddell> toma: as in random kubuntu tasks?
[03:31] <toma> yes?
[03:31] <Riddell> toma: working out why google suggest doesn't work in the konqueror top left search bar would be handy
[03:32] <toma> Riddell: what's not working?
[03:33] <Riddell> toma: when I type in a search it doesn't give me google suggest
[03:33] <Riddell> should have a drop down menu with google suggest results
[03:33] <toma> o, ok, 3.5.5abla seems to work, let me upgrade and try
[03:34] <Riddell> hmm, it works if I choose "use Google Suggest for All Searches"
[03:34] <Riddell> but not if it's for Google Only
[03:36] <manchicken> Hey Riddell, do you know if the patch for bug #82431 was committed yet?
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
[03:36] <toma> Riddell: works for me
[03:37] <toma> i'll upgrade everything and try again
[03:38] <marseillai> Riddell: i've on my hard drive an "old" dapper wich had some configuration problems. If you want i can upgrade it to edgy and test adept-dist-upgrader or do any other test you need on it.
[03:40] <Riddell> marseillai: not yet n
[03:40] <marseillai> oki
[03:41] <Riddell> marseillai: yes please
[03:41] <Jucato> Riddell: the Google Suggest problem is in Feisty only?
[03:41] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[03:41] <Riddell> Jucato: dunno, could just be on my computer only for all I know
[03:42] <Jucato> it's working on my Edgy though
[03:43] <marseillai> Riddell: oki will test it this afternoon
[03:43] <toma> Jucato: ok, good to know, i need 20 minutes to upgrade to latest feisty and then i'll try there
[03:44] <ryanakca> nice knowing you
[03:44] <toma> now i'm scared
[03:44] <Jucato> hehe so far I haven't heard of problems upgrading... though they might have been raised while I'm asleep :)
[03:45] <toma> ah, well, screwed my boot sector when i last upgraded, worse than that it can not be ;-)
[04:14] <toma> Riddell: i must be blind, but where is the patch for google suggest?
[04:19] <toma> brb
[04:24] <toma> you scared me for nothing guys
[04:24] <ryanakca> lol
[04:24] <Jucato> :D
[04:26] <toma> Riddell: suggest works fine
[04:26] <toma> Riddell: if you give me a pointer to the source, i can still have a look
[04:28] <toma> o is that sylvester
[04:30] <Jucato> sylvester?
[04:30] <toma> the theme
[04:30] <Jucato> ah polyester :)
[04:31] <toma> close, non? ;-)
[04:32] <Jucato> very :)
[04:33] <toma> Riddell: nm, got it, kdeaddons
[04:37] <Jucato> manchicken|away: are you there?
[04:39] <toma> Riddell: can you paste the output of `grep CurrentEngine ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc` ?
[04:40] <manchicken|away> Jucato: Try me again in 2 hours.  I've gotta go say goodbye to some great friends.
[04:40] <Jucato> manchicken|away: I'll be out by then... anyway, re: blog post.. try to take a peek at shipit
[04:40] <manchicken|away> Yeah?
[04:40] <manchicken|away> Y?
[04:41] <Jucato> manchicken|away: requires registration too
[04:41] <manchicken|away> But that's for mailing.
[04:41] <manchicken|away> Sun requires it for downloading.
[04:41] <Jucato> oh...
[04:41] <Jucato> ok that's different :)
[04:42] <manchicken|away> Can't ship without an address to ship to ^_^
[04:42] <manchicken|away> I also doubt I'll be seeing any spam from shipit.
[04:42] <manchicken|away> Sun on the otherhand...
[04:42] <Jucato> hm... I thought Sun will be shipping them?
[04:42] <manchicken|away> Yes, but I think they sell information.
[04:42] <manchicken|away> Hey Riddell, do you know if the patch for bug #82431 was committed yet?
[04:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
[04:42] <Jucato> http://get.opensolaris.org/ <-- starter kit
[04:43] <manchicken|away> Yup.  But they also require that same registration to download.
[04:43] <manchicken|away> I ordered the startup kit, too, btw.
[04:43] <Jucato> ouch...
[04:43] <Jucato> that's silly...
[04:43] <manchicken|away> I really want to see GNU/Solaris ^_^
[04:44] <manchicken|away> gotta go.  Check ya later.
[04:51] <xerosis> ryanakca: crashes firefox too :(
[04:51] <ryanakca> hmm...
[04:52] <Jucato> btw, Ctrl+Scroll to adjust fonts doesn't work in KDE 3.5.6 it seems
[04:52] <ryanakca> xerosis: Fx doesn't crash here... there's just massive letters
[04:52] <xerosis> ryanakca: was just a one-off it seems
[04:52] <ryanakca> odd
[04:53] <Jucato> oh wait it works here?!? :O
[04:53] <Jucato> ryanakca: no problem here..
[04:53] <ryanakca> hmm...
[04:53] <ryanakca> problem seems to have disappeared here as well
[04:54] <Jucato> :D
[04:55] <Jucato> oh btw you're using WP right?
[04:56] <Jucato> thought you might want to know this: http://wordpress.org/development/2007/03/upgrade-212/
[04:58] <Jucato> :)
[04:58] <ryanakca> Thanks for the info though 
[04:59] <ryanakca> now, what should I make my first entry about...
[05:01] <ryanakca> brb, reboot
[05:01] <mhb> me? :o)
[05:37] <mhb> ryanakca: so, what about my suggestion? :o)
[05:43] <ryanakca> mhb: which one?
[05:45] <mhb> ryanakca: 17:03 < ryanakca> now, what should I make my first entry about... 17:05 < mhb> me? :o)
[05:45] <ryanakca> oh, lol
[05:46] <ryanakca> that I was going to reboot
[05:46] <mhb> :o)
[07:12] <yuriy> mornin'
[07:14] <Riddell> http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?id=143304&method=entry  hmm, doesn't look like qt 3 is going to get condensed fonts
[07:17] <mhb> too bad
[08:25] <toma> Riddell: can you paste the output of `grep CurrentEngine ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc` ?
[08:26] <oslo> hi is there some crashing problems for k9copy after it scans all tracks ? from an iso or from a vido_ts file...
[08:28] <mhb> oslo: k9copy is in multiverse, so it's not "supported" by Kubuntu
[08:28] <mhb> oslo: which means there is a slim chance one of us actually knows the answer to your question
[08:28] <oslo> ok sorry
[08:28] <Riddell> CurrentEngine=locate
[08:29] <Riddell> toma: ^^
[08:29] <mhb> oslo: you can check who uploaded k9copy to multiverse and ask him
[08:29] <Riddell> it's all tonio's fault
[08:29] <Riddell> (k9copy is)
[08:29] <oslo> mhb> k good idea ;)
[08:30] <oslo> Riddell> k
[08:30] <toma> Riddell: that should be "google" for google suggest to work for google only..
[08:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll get you the email for Guidance / Career Choice teacher (for the volunteer hours)
[08:39] <toma> Riddell: I can not reproduce here, it seems to work fine for me and I dont see any obvious errors in the code. Its hard to debug your computer from here ;-)
[08:41] <Riddell> toma: loading up a live CD
[08:43] <mhb> Lure: modified my battery suggestion to fit your needs: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7243/batteryscreenshot5mb2.png
[08:47] <yuriy> mhb: what's the white line on the battery?
[08:48] <toma> Riddell: the only thing i spotted is that there is an enum where the first of the items is not set to 0, while the reset of the code depends on that. But I think all compilers will assign the first item to 0.
[08:49] <mhb> yuriy: that's a label :o)
[08:49] <mhb> yuriy: it's an Oxygen batter icon modified a bit (no shadows) and resized
[08:52] <Riddell> toma: it doesn't work on a live CD, unless I set it to Use on All Searches
[08:55] <toma> Riddell: that's a herd cd?
[08:55] <Riddell> toma: yes
[08:56] <toma> Riddell: oki, I will download and burn it, not sure how to debug that, but i'll try
[08:57] <Riddell> I could just change GoogleSuggestMode=1 in k-d-s
[08:57] <Riddell> should sort it
[08:58] <toma> we can do the ugly solutions anytime
[09:02] <yuriy> Riddell: mhb, Hobbsee and i were discussing doing a week of attacking one package's bugs a day kind of like the ubuntu desktop team did
[09:03] <yuriy> i'm working on a schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs and need 5 important packages
[09:04] <Riddell> question is if it's source packages or binary packages
[09:04] <Riddell> yes, adept would be cool
[09:04] <Riddell> send stuff to bugs.kde.org if suitable
[09:05] <yuriy> manchicken volunteered to have adept bugs assigned to him
[09:05] <yuriy> i'm not sure whether to do source or binary packages. i think kdebase is the main issue on that one
[09:06] <Riddell> I'd say source packages make more sense
[09:06] <Riddell> so kdelibs and kdebase both targets for bug days
[09:06] <Riddell> bugs only in adept 2.1 can go to manchicken but general adept bugs should go upstream
[09:06] <Riddell> we don't want to diverge any more than we have (which is a lot)
[09:07] <yuriy> ok, i was thinking basically bugs that need and can be fixed for feisty go to manchicken
[09:09] <yuriy> I want to start off with something that actually can be done in a day though
[09:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings is a target
[09:11] <Riddell> as is kubuntu-meta (which probably shouldn't have any legit bugs)
[09:11] <mhb> Riddell: is anyone else (distro) using adept?
[09:12] <Riddell> mhb: don't think so, arklinux were looking at it
[09:13] <Riddell> I'm not sure what the rpm support is like
[09:13] <Riddell> debian has it of course
[09:13] <Riddell> it would make sense to ask what package manager the fedora KDE spin will use
[09:16] <mhb>  but it's great that there are more people hacking adept
[09:16] <mhb> perhaps we can do a adept-evolution spec for feisty+1 for manchicken and the like
[09:17] <Riddell> mornfall is working on a new version of adept, it all depends on when that will be released
[09:23] <nixternal> Riddell: Fedora/KDE spin? wouldn't they use RPM or are they up to something else?
[09:24] <nixternal> hrmm, I am getting some weird KDE SVN error asking me for a username and password
[09:24] <nixternal> Fetching external item into 'trunk/playground/libs/admin'
[09:24] <nixternal> Authentication realm: <https://svn.kde.org:443> KDE SVN account
[09:25] <nixternal> seems to have went away now, that was odd
[09:25] <Riddell> the admin stuff it brought in from elsewhere
[09:26] <nixternal> ahh
[09:26] <Riddell> fedora would use RPM, but adept should have some rpm support
[09:26] <nixternal> hrmm, this KDE SVN issue is back, same issue
[09:38] <mhb> (I know I'm doing unproductive stuff, but hey, it's Sunday) I've updated the Kubuntu Testers team in LP logo & eblem and I thought we can do the same for kubuntu .. I mean the old logo is kinda ... outdated
[09:45] <ryanakca> Umm... does firefox crash everytime on startup for anyone else?
[09:46] <mhb> Riddell: btw, how's the dist-upgrader tool? Ready for wider testing yet?
[09:47] <nixternal> ryanakca: can't say that it does for me
[09:47] <ryanakca> hmm...
[09:50] <ryanakca> has kubuntu.org ever thought of sticking a favicon.ico of the logo in the DocumentRoot ?
[09:51] <mhb> ryanakca: well I see the favicon.ico
[09:51] <ryanakca> really?
[09:51] <ryanakca> hmm...
[09:51] <mhb> ryanakca: it's the same as the kubuntu-team logo for me
[09:52] <ryanakca> It shows up in Konversation, but not in Fx...
[09:52] <ryanakca> s/Konversation/Konqueror
[09:52] <ryanakca> lol
[09:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: fixed. Must've been something strange on one of the pages in the last session... stopped acting up when I went "New Session" instead of "Restore Session"
[10:03] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you manage to get those patches working ?
[10:05] <ryanakca> hey _StefanS_
[10:05] <_StefanS_> hey ryanakca
[10:21] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken_
[10:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: not looked at them yet
[10:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: top of my list for tomorrow, along with manchicken's adept patches
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oka sounds good :)
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: dont you think it would be okay with the arrow movement as I described ? - I mean its better than nothing
[10:57] <mhb> manchicken_: around?
[11:11] <mhb> manchicken_: I've made my personal backtrace of that bug we discussed yesterday and I've noticed it doesn't crash every time, only like 75% or so
[11:12] <mhb> manchicken_: may be useless but I still wanted to let you know :o)
[11:13] <mhb> well, today was a pretty bad day for me, I hope tomorrow will be brighter ... good night folks
[11:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: probably 22:40 out in Scotland, but if you're still awake, what were the conflict lines in polyesterrc?
[11:51] <manchicken_> mhb: Here
[11:53] <ryanakca> mhb: fixed the kmilo volume up/down only working between 0% and 10%...
[12:19] <lontra> what the differences between Medibuntu's and Kubuntu's amarok packages in feisty?
[12:20] <toma> lontra: probably none
[12:21] <lontra> shouldn't kubuntu's be the preferred package?
[12:22] <toma> lontra: forget what i said
[12:23] <toma> i dont know