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| okaratas | i prepared a deb packet for ubuntu which is not in the archives. how can i send this to archives? what should i do?, | 12:58 |
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| pochu | okaratas: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-motu ;) | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | okaratas: we're in a freeze, which means we're not accepting any new stuff, for the rest of feisty. for more info, see !feisty. Also, feisty uses sources, not binaries into the archive. | 12:59 |
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| Hobbsee | okaratas: you'll find lots more information in the topic in #ubuntu-motu including https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | 12:59 |
| okaratas | thank you very much Hobbsee and pochu | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:59 |
| pochu | np | 01:00 |
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| cypherbios | someone knows what is the sintax parsed by Udate Manager to create a link to an bug in the change log viewer embed on update-manager? i.e: LP:#89325 links to https://launchpad.net/bugs/89325 | 02:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89325 in aptoncd "returns to the beggining if the user hasn't enough rights to save the folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:15 |
| cypherbios | I just need to put on changelog '* closes LP:#89325' and update manager will show an link to the corresponding bug automatically ? | 02:17 |
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| pochu | Seveas: ping? | 02:20 |
| Seveas | pochu, ? | 02:20 |
| pochu | Seveas: I've read you are the irc cloak man, aren't you? :) | 02:20 |
| Seveas | pochu, please use #ubuntu-devel only for development issues | 02:21 |
| pochu | ups | 02:21 |
| pochu | I tought I was on -locoteams :) | 02:21 |
| pochu | sorry | 02:21 |
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| jdub | Mar 4 19:25:30 localhost named[2603] : rdata.c:799: REQUIRE(source != ((void *)0)) failed | 09:26 |
| jdub | awesome | 09:26 |
| jdub | whoa | 09:30 |
| jdub | only does it on waugh.id.au | 09:30 |
| jdub | and other waugh.id.au A records | 09:31 |
| jdub | but not other domains on that nameserver | 09:31 |
| _ion | Interesting. :-) | 09:32 |
| jdub | it is bizaarely reliable | 09:32 |
| jdub | in both ways ;) | 09:32 |
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| lucas | is there an svn repository or something for apt ? I'd like to browse the history to track down a bug | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | it's in bzr, iirc | 09:52 |
| lucas | do you have the branch url ? | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apt/ubuntu, it seems | 09:55 |
| lucas | thank you | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | there's one on people.debian.org/~mvo/apt too, if you want the debian one. | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | I believe they're quite close | 09:55 |
| lucas | the change I'm looking for is quite old, so it shouldn't matter | 09:56 |
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| g0su | one question please, what is the diference between /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale for LANG and LANGUAJE variable? | 01:00 |
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| geser | afaik is /e/d/l the new location but not all programs use it already | 01:07 |
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| mojo | Does anyone know why public_html does not work with apache2 on Feisty Fawn Herd 5? I received 404 Not Found Error when typing http://localhost/~<username> | 01:47 |
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| elkbuntu | mojo, this channel is for development, not troubleshooting. try in #ubuntu+1 | 01:49 |
| mojo | okay, those ppl in #ubuntu ask me to ask it here | 01:49 |
| geser | tepsipakki: are you around? | 02:06 |
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| tepsipakki | geser: not for long | 02:11 |
| tepsipakki | what's up? | 02:11 |
| g0su | i think than this question is more for develops XP | 02:13 |
| g0su | why two files(/etc/default/locale /etc/environment) change the same variable(LANG and LANGUAGE)? or Why /etc/event.d/rc-default search(in elif) /etc/inittab if inittab not exist? | 02:13 |
| geser | tepsipakki: can you fix the dependency in xserver-xorg to depend on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 as the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0? | 02:15 |
| tepsipakki | ah that | 02:15 |
| tepsipakki | we forgot to do that :) | 02:15 |
| geser | currently you can only install the video-all meta package because of this | 02:15 |
| tepsipakki | right | 02:15 |
| geser | thanks | 02:16 |
| tepsipakki | we'll make it xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video | 02:16 |
| tepsipakki | maybe that makes upgrades a bit smoother | 02:17 |
| tepsipakki | kylem: ^^ | 02:17 |
| g0su | One question, you need to install xerver-xorg-video-all for have xserver-xorg? | 02:17 |
| tepsipakki | I have to go now -> | 02:17 |
| g0su | in herd 4 i think no | 02:17 |
| geser | g0su: xserver-xorg-video-all is only preferred | 02:18 |
| geser | but currently the dependency is broken and can only be fulfilled with the video-all package | 02:19 |
| g0su | root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show xserver-xorg | grep Estado | 02:19 |
| g0su | Estado: instalado | 02:19 |
| g0su | root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-all | grep Estado | 02:19 |
| g0su | Estado: sin instalar | 02:19 |
| g0su | sin instalar = not install & instalar = install :) geser this is now in herd 5? | 02:20 |
| geser | g0su: you can also only keep the needed video-drivers and deinstall video-all and the other not needed video-drivers | 02:23 |
| geser | xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video and the later is provided by the individual video-drivers | 02:24 |
| g0su | yes i understand this | 02:24 |
| Lathiat | wow http://www.addonics.com/support/faqs/faq-pmsupport.asp | 02:25 |
| Lathiat | shipping ubuntu 6.06 lts drivers for their port multipliers | 02:25 |
| Lathiat | first time ive seen !redhat drivers shipped by a vendor | 02:25 |
| g0su | jajajaj | 02:26 |
| Lathiat | hrm custom compile instructions tho, good thign is that its in patch form and not binary | 02:27 |
| g0su | Ei have any explain me why i have 2 files with the same variables x) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8579/ i dont understand why i cant choose my locales :X | 02:28 |
| Lathiat | g0su: it doesnt matter what locales are generated its largely irrelevant as long as the ones you want are in there | 02:29 |
| g0su | Lathiat, yes but the locale en_EN dont create it. Sorry for take your time. I am searching but i dont fount the information. | 02:35 |
| geser | what should en_EN be? | 02:38 |
| g0su | i wont to delete all es_X exp es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8 | 02:39 |
| g0su | i want to delete all es_X except es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8. Sorry for my english X( | 02:41 |
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| geser | g0su: I don't know if such a locale (en_EN) exists | 03:23 |
| g0su | en_EN.UTF-8 | 03:23 |
| g0su | english_ENGLISH :D | 03:23 |
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| cliebow_ | anyone else having trouble using 2.6.20-x in sony laptop..initramfs stops after discovering memory stick applinace.. | 03:25 |
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| Seveas | g0su, the EN in en_EN does not exist, there is no country called ENGLISH | 04:18 |
| Keybuk | en_GB is British English | 04:23 |
| Keybuk | en_US is American | 04:23 |
| _ion | And en_FI is what I speak. | 04:23 |
| kylem | en_US.redneck | 04:24 |
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| cliebow_ | redneck?? | 04:25 |
| kylem | cliebow_, what kind of memory stick? | 04:26 |
| geser | kylem: did you catch the discussion about the wrong dependency in xserver-xorg? | 04:30 |
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| kylem | geser, er... i think it was occuring as i woke up. | 04:31 |
| kylem | so i probably saw it, but didn't grok it. :) | 04:31 |
| geser | xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video but the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | 04:33 |
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| geser | tepsipakki suggested to change the dependency to xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video | 04:33 |
| kylem | ok. | 04:34 |
| kylem | tepsipakki, any objection to renaming the i810 package to -intel for clarity? | 04:34 |
| geser | can you do a fixed upload? | 04:34 |
| geser | wasn't there once an -intel package? | 04:35 |
| cliebow_ | well there is no stick in it..it finds the slot..msc...lemme boot it | 04:35 |
| kylem | -intel-modesetting is in universe. | 04:35 |
| kylem | cliebow_, if it's tifm7xxx or something, just add it to modprobe.d/blacklist and file a bug plz. | 04:35 |
| kylem | geser, sure. | 04:36 |
| geser | -intel is in edgy and was replaced with -i810-modesetting in feisty | 04:38 |
| cliebow_ | scsi 0:0:0:0 direct access Sony MSC-U03 2.00 PQ ANSI:0 CSS | 04:39 |
| cliebow_ | scsi generic sg0 type 0 | 04:39 |
| kylem | mjg59, you've got a bug. :) | 04:39 |
| cliebow_ | wil do | 04:40 |
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| bddebian | doko: You aboot? | 04:49 |
| kylem | geser, is there a bug # for this? | 04:52 |
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| Keybuk | kylem: I'm completely confused about which is the current intel/i810/modesetting drier too :p | 04:55 |
| geser | for the dependency problem? | 04:55 |
| kylem | Keybuk, yes, this is what i'm trying to solve. | 04:55 |
| kylem | geser, yeah. | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810. | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel | 04:56 |
| geser | kylem: not that I know of (I didn't file one yet) | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: -intel replaces both i810 and i810-modesetting? | 04:56 |
| doko | bddebian: ? | 04:56 |
| kylem | ok. | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: ? | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: I have i810-modesetting installed atm, do I need to change that to a different driver? :p | 04:56 |
| bddebian | doko: I was going to ask you about mpichpython but I found it. Though I still don't understand the error I'm getting. | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | I don't know. What are you trying to do? | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: use X. | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: I just want to know what the "correct" driver out of the maze of different ones is | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | There doesn't seem to be any context to this discussion. | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | The "correct" driver is i810. | 04:57 |
| geser | how many intel/i810 dirvers do we have currently? 2 or 3? | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | -modesetting and -intel are two different packagings of the modesetting branch of the i810 driver. | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | ok, why the renaming? | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | 15:55 < mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810. | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | 15:56 < mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel | 04:58 |
| Keybuk | but why rename it? | 04:58 |
| Keybuk | why not just update the i810-modesetting package to be parallel installable without downgrading it? :p | 04:59 |
| mjg59 | When we're talking about three different packages, "it" doesn't bind usefully | 04:59 |
| geser | mjg59: is -intel back now? | 04:59 |
| tepsipakki | upstream is going to rename -i810 to -intel | 04:59 |
| tepsipakki | some time | 04:59 |
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| Keybuk | hmm | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | I think he exploded | 05:00 |
| geser | tepsipakki: are there any plans to update the -i810-modesetting driver? | 05:02 |
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| tepsipakki | geser: sure | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | so, is the -i810-modesetting driver more up to date than the -intel driver, or the other way around? | 05:03 |
| tepsipakki | Keybuk: the other way around atm | 05:04 |
| tepsipakki | oh, and it's still -i810 not -intel | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | err, what? | 05:04 |
| geser | Keybuk: see bug #75480 | 05:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75480 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Please remove the xserver-xorg-video-intel source and binary packages from Ubuntu Feisty universe (superceded by xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75480 | 05:05 |
| tepsipakki | oh, so there was -intel already | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | yes | 05:06 |
| bddebian | Is "1.*Numeric.arrange(10)" valid Python? | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | there's -intel, -i810 and -i810-modesetting, all of wildly different versions | 05:06 |
| tepsipakki | then maybe it's best to rename only when the modesetting-branch is merged in | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | and, unless I'm totally confused, mjg59 has made a new -intel again | 05:06 |
| rpereira | Does someone know if the instability with Firefox and Flash (nonfree) was resolved on Edgy? Or on Feisty? | 05:07 |
| tepsipakki | Keybuk: hmm, can't find it so maybe not uploaded yet | 05:08 |
| Keybuk | <mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810. | 05:08 |
| Keybuk | <mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel | 05:08 |
| tepsipakki | doesn't say when :) | 05:10 |
| geser | he uploaded -intel to edgy, perhaps he is referring to that upload | 05:11 |
| tepsipakki | yes | 05:11 |
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| tepsipakki | fedora already renames -i810 as -intel | 05:15 |
| _ion | tepsipakki: Does your nick mean something, btw? :-) | 05:17 |
| tepsipakki | _ion: you should know ;) | 05:17 |
| _ion | tepsipakki: Well, it looks like Finnish, but i have no idea what a "tepsi" is. :-P | 05:17 |
| tepsipakki | in that case you don't like sports much ;) | 05:18 |
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| _ion | (Or how a box is related to one.) | 05:18 |
| _ion | Good observation. :-) | 05:18 |
| tepsipakki | tepsi=TPS, pakki=defenseman (in ice-hockey) | 05:19 |
| _ion | Ah, ok. :-) | 05:19 |
| tepsipakki | why I got it is left as an exercise (no, it's not pretty) | 05:20 |
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| kylem | Subject: Accepted xorg 1:7.2-0ubuntu2 (source) | 05:27 |
| geser | kylem: thanks | 05:28 |
| tepsipakki | thanks | 05:28 |
| kylem | ok | 05:30 |
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| lfittl | iwj, zul told me you could probably help me with some strange xen + lvm problem (details at bug #89133) | 07:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89133 in xen-source "Problem with blktap and LVM (device numbers)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89133 | 07:36 |
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| sladen | woo, 48hours of network-manager before I needed to kill it | 07:42 |
| _ion | Months of network-manager since i last needed to kill it. :-) | 07:43 |
| jdong | *URG* | 07:46 |
| jdong | Bad Prank Of The Day: set shell to /usr/bin/wine cmd.exe | 07:46 |
| _ion | Haha | 07:46 |
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| jdong | grr how do I start a real shell | 07:48 |
| jdong | yes! | 07:48 |
| jdong | z:\bin\bash | 07:48 |
| jdong | is this how Windows users feel when I give them cygwin prompts? | 07:49 |
| _ion | They get the "OMG, it's full of stars!" feeling after only having used the CLI equivalent of poking a pile of dog poo before. | 07:50 |
| jdong | :) | 07:50 |
| bhale | if you can call it a CLI | 07:50 |
| jdong | meh at least Vista can have a GNU environment... | 07:52 |
| jdong | it's a slight improvement | 07:52 |
| bhale | hm? | 07:52 |
| jdong | Vista SUA | 07:52 |
| jdong | you can run most of the GNU userland | 07:52 |
| jdong | (though by default they install SVR5 and BSD... pfft) | 07:53 |
| jdong | it seems to perform pretty natively too | 07:53 |
| jdong | as opposed to Cygwin | 07:53 |
| bhale | most of the win32 network tools are BSD | 07:53 |
| jdong | should I torture myself and use Vista for the day? | 07:53 |
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| frafu | hello, | 08:17 |
| frafu | I would like the drag&drop in Ubuntu to behave a bit differently: I think the best is if I give an example: | 08:17 |
| frafu | Let us assume we have to nautilus windows on the desktop: let's call them wina and winb. The windows are placed so that winb is partly covered by wina. In other words, wina is the front window. | 08:18 |
| frafu | Now I want to drag and drop an item from winb to wina. Now comes what I don't like: | 08:18 |
| frafu | When I click on the item in winb to drag it to wina, winb comes to the front. This is what I don't like and what I am not used to on my mac: a drag&drop should not change the order of the windows. | 08:18 |
| frafu | Now my question: who is responsible for the drag and dtop? Gnome? Should I file my request directly in gnomes bugzilla? | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | It's nothing to do with drag and drop behaviour | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | That's handled by the window manager | 08:19 |
| frafu | ok, metacity | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | But yes. It's the sort of change that we'd probably want upstream to consider | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | So feel free to file an enhancement bug in launchpad, but the best bet is probably to discuss it with the upstream developers | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | I'm pretty sure that it's metacity that's responsible, anyway... | 08:20 |
| frafu | so I should go directly to the devs of metacity | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. I think the easiest way of fixing it would be to require button release before raising the window | 08:21 |
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| mjg59 | Though I haven't looked into the problem closely. I may be misinterpreting it. | 08:21 |
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| frafu | I will try to find the devs of metacity. Thank you. | 08:22 |
| frafu | Isn't metacity being replaced by a composite window manager? | 08:24 |
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| frafu | in the next release? | 08:24 |
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| pochu | frafu: it's installed by default, though it isn't enabled by default | 08:27 |
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| frafu | does anybody know the drag and drop behaviour of the new window manager? | 08:28 |
| frafu | There might be no point in asking for a change in metacity when Ubuntu is going to use another window manager | 08:29 |
| frafu | !? | 08:30 |
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| pochu | frafu: if you think that is better, ask in the two places :) | 08:31 |
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| frafu | could you give me the name of the new window manager? Or has the decision not been taken yet (there were two possible candidates as far as I know) | 08:33 |
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| alex-weej | frafu: Compiz | 08:36 |
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| frafu | Indeed, I think that it is better when the windows do not change order, because the user sees before he starts the drag&drop if the starting point and the endpoint of the drag&drop are within reach. | 08:37 |
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| frafu | Does compiz behave like metacity or like a mac? | 08:37 |
| frafu | If the drag&drop in compiz behaves like the macscdrag&drop, there is no need for me to contact them. | 08:40 |
| frafu | Anyway, many thanks to all. | 08:40 |
| _ion | frafu: There's some usability work going on re: copypasting and drag&drop: http://images.mandriva.com/metisse/copy-paste-simple.avi | 08:41 |
| frafu | _ion: in the demo, the windows don't change their order, but it is not clear how the system distinguishes between a simple click and the paste | 08:47 |
| frafu | On the other hand, the demo shows that the order of the windows does not change when doing a selection | 08:48 |
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| frafu | This is an old issue: | 09:04 |
| frafu | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80984 | 09:04 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 80984 in EWMH specification "Develop specification for not raising drag source windows during the drag." [Enhancement,New] | 09:04 |
| frafu | And for what I could understand, the usual behaviour of a window manager is to not raise the window from which the drag&drop starts | 09:06 |
| frafu | So chances are that compiz does not do it and behaves the way I want it. | 09:07 |
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| supervillain | Hi, can I ask about Ubuntu SoC 2007 related topics here? | 09:26 |
| pochu | supervillain: soc? | 09:28 |
| supervillain | yes, I like to know what are the qualifications of a mentor for SoC 2007? | 09:28 |
| pochu | supervillain: I don't know, but maybe you can take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007 | 09:29 |
| pochu | supervillain: and this: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html | 09:30 |
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| supervillain | Is it possible to recommend someone to be a mentor for an Ubuntu project? | 09:35 |
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| Amaranth | supervillain: no, someone can volunteer though | 09:43 |
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| supervillain | Is it possible to join several projects at the same time? | 10:08 |
| supervillain | for SoC | 10:09 |
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| shiyee | supervillain: you can apply for multiple projects, but you only get accepted for one | 10:12 |
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| illovae | yo | 10:45 |
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| pascal | In what way are the entries in the hardware database http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ used? I'm not able to access even my own | 11:38 |
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| snoogie | evening | 12:18 |
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| snoogie | y aurait il un franais :D ? | 12:19 |
| snoogie | hello I want to ask a sutpid question maybe | 12:19 |
| snoogie | :D | 12:19 |
| snoogie | so please forgive me if it is one :) | 12:19 |
| snoogie | Suppose I found a soft that feisty need and that I want to write | 12:20 |
| snoogie | I want to start a soft who is a bit similar :) | 12:20 |
| snoogie | So my question is 1) If I start write it in C++/wxWidgets because I know this language and this toolkit but on launchpad I see they want pyGTK and Glade | 12:21 |
| snoogie | will it be rejected if I submit a beta version ? | 12:22 |
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