[12:58] <okaratas> i prepared a deb packet for ubuntu which is not in the archives. how can i send this to archives? what should i do?,
[12:58] <pochu> okaratas: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-motu ;)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: we're in a freeze, which means we're not accepting any new stuff, for the rest of feisty.  for more info, see !feisty.  Also, feisty uses sources, not binaries into the archive.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: you'll find lots more information in the topic in #ubuntu-motu including https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation
[12:59] <okaratas> thank you very much Hobbsee and pochu 
[12:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:00] <pochu> np
[02:15] <cypherbios> someone knows what is the sintax parsed by Udate Manager to create a link to an bug in the change log viewer embed on update-manager? i.e: LP:#89325 links to https://launchpad.net/bugs/89325
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89325 in aptoncd "returns to the beggining if the user hasn't enough rights to save the folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:17] <cypherbios> I just need to put on changelog '* closes LP:#89325' and update manager will show an link to the corresponding bug automatically ?
[02:20] <pochu> Seveas: ping?
[02:20] <Seveas> pochu, ?
[02:20] <pochu> Seveas: I've read you are the irc cloak man, aren't you? :)
[02:21] <Seveas> pochu, please use #ubuntu-devel only for development issues
[02:21] <pochu> ups
[02:21] <pochu> I tought I was on -locoteams :)
[02:21] <pochu> sorry
[09:26] <jdub> Mar  4 19:25:30 localhost named[2603] : rdata.c:799: REQUIRE(source != ((void *)0)) failed
[09:26] <jdub> awesome
[09:30] <jdub> whoa
[09:30] <jdub> only does it on waugh.id.au
[09:31] <jdub> and other waugh.id.au A records
[09:31] <jdub> but not other domains on that nameserver
[09:32] <_ion> Interesting. :-)
[09:32] <jdub> it is bizaarely reliable
[09:32] <jdub> in both ways ;)
[09:52] <lucas> is there an svn repository or something for apt ? I'd like to browse the history to track down a bug
[09:52] <Mithrandir> it's in bzr, iirc
[09:53] <lucas> do you have the branch url ?
[09:55] <Mithrandir> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apt/ubuntu, it seems
[09:55] <lucas> thank you
[09:55] <Mithrandir> there's one on people.debian.org/~mvo/apt too, if you want the debian one.
[09:55] <Mithrandir> I believe they're quite close
[09:56] <lucas> the change I'm looking for is quite old, so it shouldn't matter
[01:00] <g0su> one question please, what is the diference between /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale for LANG and LANGUAJE variable?
[01:07] <geser> afaik is /e/d/l the new location but not all programs use it already
[01:47] <mojo> Does anyone know why public_html does not work with apache2 on Feisty Fawn Herd 5? I received 404 Not Found Error when typing http://localhost/~<username>
[01:49] <elkbuntu> mojo, this channel is for development, not troubleshooting. try in #ubuntu+1
[01:49] <mojo> okay, those ppl in #ubuntu ask me to ask it here
[02:06] <geser> tepsipakki: are you around?
[02:11] <tepsipakki> geser: not for long
[02:11] <tepsipakki> what's up?
[02:13] <g0su> i think than this question is more for develops XP
[02:13] <g0su> why two files(/etc/default/locale /etc/environment) change the same variable(LANG and LANGUAGE)? or Why /etc/event.d/rc-default search(in elif) /etc/inittab if inittab not exist?
[02:15] <geser> tepsipakki: can you fix the dependency in xserver-xorg to depend on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 as the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0?
[02:15] <tepsipakki> ah that
[02:15] <tepsipakki> we forgot to do that :)
[02:15] <geser> currently you can only install the video-all meta package because of this
[02:15] <tepsipakki> right
[02:16] <geser> thanks
[02:16] <tepsipakki> we'll make it xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video
[02:17] <tepsipakki> maybe that makes upgrades a bit smoother
[02:17] <tepsipakki> kylem: ^^
[02:17] <g0su> One question, you need to install xerver-xorg-video-all for have xserver-xorg?
[02:17] <tepsipakki> I have to go now ->
[02:17] <g0su> in herd 4 i think no
[02:18] <geser> g0su: xserver-xorg-video-all is only preferred
[02:19] <geser> but currently the dependency is broken and can only be fulfilled with the video-all package
[02:19] <g0su> root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show xserver-xorg | grep Estado
[02:19] <g0su> Estado: instalado
[02:19] <g0su> root@DarkTemplar:~# aptitude show  xserver-xorg-video-all | grep Estado
[02:19] <g0su> Estado: sin instalar
[02:20] <g0su> sin instalar = not install & instalar = install :) geser this is now in herd 5?
[02:23] <geser> g0su: you can also only keep the needed video-drivers and deinstall video-all and the other not needed video-drivers
[02:24] <geser> xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video and the later is provided by the individual video-drivers
[02:24] <g0su> yes i understand this
[02:25] <Lathiat> wow http://www.addonics.com/support/faqs/faq-pmsupport.asp
[02:25] <Lathiat> shipping ubuntu 6.06 lts drivers for their port multipliers
[02:25] <Lathiat> first time ive seen !redhat drivers shipped by a vendor
[02:26] <g0su> jajajaj
[02:27] <Lathiat> hrm custom compile instructions tho, good thign is that its in patch form and not binary
[02:28] <g0su> Ei have any explain me why i have 2 files with the same variables x) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8579/ i dont understand why i cant choose my locales :X
[02:29] <Lathiat> g0su: it doesnt matter what locales are generated its largely irrelevant as long as the ones you want are in there
[02:35] <g0su> Lathiat, yes but the locale en_EN dont create it. Sorry for take your time. I am searching but i dont fount the information. 
[02:38] <geser> what should en_EN be?
[02:39] <g0su> i wont to delete all es_X exp es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8
[02:41] <g0su> i want to delete all es_X except es_ES.UTF-8 and create en_EN.UTF-8. Sorry for my english X(
[03:23] <geser> g0su: I don't know if such a locale (en_EN) exists
[03:23] <g0su> en_EN.UTF-8
[03:23] <g0su> english_ENGLISH :D
[03:25] <cliebow_> anyone else having trouble using 2.6.20-x in sony laptop..initramfs stops after discovering memory stick applinace..
[04:18] <Seveas> g0su, the EN in en_EN does not exist, there is no country called ENGLISH
[04:23] <Keybuk> en_GB is British English
[04:23] <Keybuk> en_US is American
[04:23] <_ion> And en_FI is what I speak.
[04:24] <kylem> en_US.redneck
[04:25] <cliebow_> redneck??
[04:26] <kylem> cliebow_, what kind of memory stick?
[04:30] <geser> kylem: did you catch the discussion about the wrong dependency in xserver-xorg?
[04:31] <kylem> geser, er... i think it was occuring as i woke up.
[04:31] <kylem> so i probably saw it, but didn't grok it. :)
[04:33] <geser> xserver-xorg depends on  xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video but the new video drivers provide now xserver-xorg-video-1.0
[04:33] <geser> tepsipakki suggested to change the dependency to xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video
[04:34] <kylem> ok.
[04:34] <kylem> tepsipakki, any objection to renaming the i810 package to -intel for clarity?
[04:34] <geser> can you do a fixed upload?
[04:35] <geser> wasn't there once an -intel package?
[04:35] <cliebow_> well there is no stick in it..it finds the slot..msc...lemme boot it
[04:35] <kylem> -intel-modesetting is in universe.
[04:35] <kylem> cliebow_, if it's tifm7xxx or something, just add it to modprobe.d/blacklist and file a bug plz.
[04:36] <kylem> geser, sure.
[04:38] <geser> -intel is in edgy and was replaced with -i810-modesetting in feisty
[04:39] <cliebow_> scsi 0:0:0:0 direct access Sony MSC-U03 2.00 PQ ANSI:0 CSS
[04:39] <cliebow_> scsi generic sg0 type 0
[04:39] <kylem> mjg59, you've got a bug. :)
[04:40] <cliebow_> wil do
[04:49] <bddebian> doko: You aboot?
[04:52] <kylem> geser, is there a bug # for this?
[04:55] <Keybuk> kylem: I'm completely confused about which is the current intel/i810/modesetting drier too :p
[04:55] <geser> for the dependency problem?
[04:55] <kylem> Keybuk, yes, this is what i'm trying to solve.
[04:55] <kylem> geser, yeah.
[04:55] <mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810.
[04:56] <mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel
[04:56] <geser> kylem: not that I know of (I didn't file one yet)
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: -intel replaces both i810 and i810-modesetting?
[04:56] <doko> bddebian: ?
[04:56] <kylem> ok.
[04:56] <mjg59> Keybuk: ?
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: I have i810-modesetting installed atm, do I need to change that to a different driver? :p
[04:56] <bddebian> doko: I was going to ask you about mpichpython but I found it.  Though I still don't understand the error I'm getting.
[04:56] <mjg59> I don't know. What are you trying to do?
[04:56] <Keybuk> mjg59: use X.
[04:57] <Keybuk> mjg59: I just want to know what the "correct" driver out of the maze of different ones is
[04:57] <mjg59> There doesn't seem to be any context to this discussion.
[04:57] <mjg59> The "correct" driver is i810.
[04:57] <geser> how many intel/i810 dirvers do we have currently? 2 or 3?
[04:57] <mjg59> -modesetting and -intel are two different packagings of the modesetting branch of the i810 driver.
[04:58] <Keybuk> ok, why the renaming?
[04:58] <mjg59> 15:55 < mjg59> -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with  i810.
[04:58] <mjg59> 15:56 < mjg59> i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to  date, but can't be installed in parallel
[04:58] <Keybuk> but why rename it?
[04:59] <Keybuk> why not just update the i810-modesetting package to be parallel installable without downgrading it? :p
[04:59] <mjg59> When we're talking about three different packages, "it" doesn't bind usefully
[04:59] <geser> mjg59: is -intel back now?
[04:59] <tepsipakki> upstream is going to rename -i810 to -intel
[04:59] <tepsipakki> some time
[05:00] <Keybuk> hmm
[05:00] <Keybuk> I think he exploded
[05:02] <geser> tepsipakki: are there any plans to update the -i810-modesetting driver?
[05:03] <tepsipakki> geser: sure
[05:03] <Keybuk> so, is the -i810-modesetting driver more up to date than the -intel driver, or the other way around?
[05:04] <tepsipakki> Keybuk: the other way around atm
[05:04] <tepsipakki> oh, and it's still -i810 not -intel
[05:04] <Keybuk> err, what?
[05:05] <geser> Keybuk: see bug #75480
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75480 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Please remove the xserver-xorg-video-intel source and binary packages from Ubuntu Feisty universe (superceded by xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75480
[05:06] <tepsipakki> oh, so there was -intel already
[05:06] <Keybuk> yes
[05:06] <bddebian> Is "1.*Numeric.arrange(10)" valid Python?
[05:06] <Keybuk> there's -intel, -i810 and -i810-modesetting, all of wildly different versions
[05:06] <tepsipakki> then maybe it's best to rename only when the modesetting-branch is merged in
[05:06] <Keybuk> and, unless I'm totally confused, mjg59 has made a new -intel again
[05:07] <rpereira> Does someone know if the instability with Firefox and Flash (nonfree) was resolved on Edgy? Or on Feisty?
[05:08] <tepsipakki> Keybuk: hmm, can't find it so maybe not uploaded yet
 -intel is the one I uploaded. It's installable in parallel with i810.
 i810-modesetting is the one synced from Debian. It's more up to date, but can't be installed in parallel
[05:10] <tepsipakki> doesn't say when :)
[05:11] <geser> he uploaded -intel to edgy, perhaps he is referring to that upload
[05:11] <tepsipakki> yes
[05:15] <tepsipakki> fedora already renames -i810 as -intel
[05:17] <_ion> tepsipakki: Does your nick mean something, btw? :-)
[05:17] <tepsipakki> _ion: you should know ;)
[05:17] <_ion> tepsipakki: Well, it looks like Finnish, but i have no idea what a "tepsi" is. :-P
[05:18] <tepsipakki> in that case you don't like sports much ;)
[05:18] <_ion> (Or how a box is related to one.)
[05:18] <_ion> Good observation. :-)
[05:19] <tepsipakki> tepsi=TPS, pakki=defenseman (in ice-hockey)
[05:19] <_ion> Ah, ok. :-)
[05:20] <tepsipakki> why I got it is left as an exercise (no, it's not pretty)
[05:27] <kylem> Subject: Accepted xorg 1:7.2-0ubuntu2 (source)
[05:28] <geser> kylem: thanks
[05:28] <tepsipakki> thanks
[05:30] <kylem> ok
[07:36] <lfittl> iwj, zul told me you could probably help me with some strange xen + lvm problem (details at bug #89133)
[07:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89133 in xen-source "Problem with blktap and LVM (device numbers)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89133
[07:42] <sladen> woo, 48hours of network-manager before I needed to kill it
[07:43] <_ion> Months of network-manager since i last needed to kill it. :-)
[07:46] <jdong> *URG*
[07:46] <jdong> Bad Prank Of The Day: set shell to /usr/bin/wine cmd.exe
[07:46] <_ion> Haha
[07:48] <jdong> grr how do I start a real shell
[07:48] <jdong> yes!
[07:48] <jdong> z:\bin\bash
[07:49] <jdong> is this how Windows users feel when I give them cygwin prompts?
[07:50] <_ion> They get the "OMG, it's full of stars!" feeling after only having used the CLI equivalent of poking a pile of dog poo before.
[07:50] <jdong> :)
[07:50] <bhale> if you can call it a CLI
[07:52] <jdong> meh at least Vista can have a GNU environment...
[07:52] <jdong> it's a slight improvement
[07:52] <bhale> hm?
[07:52] <jdong> Vista SUA
[07:52] <jdong> you can run most of the GNU userland
[07:53] <jdong> (though by default they install SVR5 and BSD... pfft)
[07:53] <jdong> it seems to perform pretty natively too
[07:53] <jdong> as opposed to Cygwin
[07:53] <bhale> most of the win32 network tools are BSD
[07:53] <jdong> should I torture myself and use Vista for the day?
[08:17] <frafu> hello, 
[08:17] <frafu> I would like the drag&drop in Ubuntu to behave a bit differently: I think the best is if I give an example: 
[08:18] <frafu> Let us assume we have to nautilus windows on the desktop: let's call them wina and winb. The windows are placed so that winb is partly covered by wina. In other words, wina is the front window. 
[08:18] <frafu> Now I want to drag and drop an item from winb to wina. Now comes what I don't like: 
[08:18] <frafu> When I click on the item in winb to drag it to wina, winb comes to the front. This is what I don't like and what I am not used to on my mac: a drag&drop should not change the order of the windows. 
[08:19] <frafu> Now my question: who is responsible for the drag and dtop? Gnome? Should I file my request directly in gnomes bugzilla? 
[08:19] <mjg59> It's nothing to do with drag and drop behaviour
[08:19] <mjg59> That's handled by the window manager
[08:19] <frafu> ok, metacity
[08:20] <mjg59> But yes. It's the sort of change that we'd probably want upstream to consider
[08:20] <mjg59> So feel free to file an enhancement bug in launchpad, but the best bet is probably to discuss it with the upstream developers
[08:20] <mjg59> I'm pretty sure that it's metacity that's responsible, anyway...
[08:20] <frafu> so I should go directly to the devs of metacity
[08:21] <mjg59> Yeah. I think the easiest way of fixing it would be to require button release before raising the window
[08:21] <mjg59> Though I haven't looked into the problem closely. I may be misinterpreting it.
[08:22] <frafu> I will try to find the devs of metacity. Thank you. 
[08:24] <frafu> Isn't metacity being replaced by a composite window manager? 
[08:24] <frafu> in the next release? 
[08:27] <pochu> frafu: it's installed by default, though it isn't enabled by default
[08:28] <frafu> does anybody know the drag and drop behaviour of the new window manager? 
[08:29] <frafu> There might be no point in asking for a change in metacity when Ubuntu is going to use another window manager 
[08:30] <frafu> !? 
[08:31] <pochu> frafu: if you think that is better, ask in the two places :)
[08:33] <frafu> could you give me the name of the new window manager? Or has the decision not been taken yet (there were two possible candidates as far as I know) 
[08:36] <alex-weej> frafu: Compiz
[08:37] <frafu> Indeed, I think that it is better when the windows do not change order, because the user sees before he starts the drag&drop if the starting point and the endpoint of the drag&drop are within reach. 
[08:37] <frafu> Does compiz behave like metacity or like a mac? 
[08:40] <frafu> If the drag&drop in compiz behaves like the macscdrag&drop, there is no need for me to contact them. 
[08:40] <frafu> Anyway, many thanks to all. 
[08:41] <_ion> frafu: There's some usability work going on re: copypasting and drag&drop: http://images.mandriva.com/metisse/copy-paste-simple.avi
[08:47] <frafu> _ion: in the demo, the windows don't change their order, but it is not clear how the system distinguishes between a simple click and the paste
[08:48] <frafu> On the other hand, the demo shows that the order of the windows does not change when doing a selection 
[09:04] <frafu> This is an old issue: 
[09:04] <frafu> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80984
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 80984 in EWMH specification "Develop specification for not raising drag source windows during the drag." [Enhancement,New]  
[09:06] <frafu> And for what I could understand, the usual behaviour of a window manager is to not raise the window from which the drag&drop starts
[09:07] <frafu> So chances are that compiz does not do it and behaves the way I want it. 
[09:26] <supervillain> Hi, can I ask about Ubuntu SoC 2007 related topics here?
[09:28] <pochu> supervillain: soc?
[09:28] <supervillain> yes, I like to know what are the qualifications of a mentor for SoC 2007?
[09:29] <pochu> supervillain: I don't know, but maybe you can take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007
[09:30] <pochu> supervillain: and this: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[09:35] <supervillain> Is it possible to recommend someone to be a mentor for an Ubuntu project?
[09:43] <Amaranth> supervillain: no, someone can volunteer though
[10:08] <supervillain> Is it possible to join several projects at the same time?
[10:09] <supervillain> for SoC
[10:12] <shiyee> supervillain: you can apply for multiple projects, but you only get accepted for one
[10:45] <illovae> yo
[11:38] <pascal> In what way are the entries in the hardware database http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ used? I'm not able to access even my own
[12:18] <snoogie> evening
[12:19] <snoogie> y aurait il un franais :D ?
[12:19] <snoogie> hello I want to ask a sutpid question maybe
[12:19] <snoogie> :D
[12:19] <snoogie> so please forgive me if it is one :)
[12:20] <snoogie> Suppose I found a soft that feisty need and that I want to write 
[12:20] <snoogie> I want to start a soft who is a bit similar :)
[12:21] <snoogie> So my question is 1) If I start write it in C++/wxWidgets because I know this language and this toolkit but on launchpad I see they want pyGTK and Glade
[12:22] <snoogie> will it be rejected if I submit a beta version ?