[12:58] <okaratas> hello
[12:59] <okaratas> <i prepared a deb packet for ubuntu which is not in the archives. how can i send this to archives? what should i do?,
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: see the answer in #ubuntu-deve
[12:59] <Hobbsee> l
[01:00] <okaratas> Hobbsee, okey
[01:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:23] <geser> hi bddebian
[01:24] <bddebian> Hi geser
[01:39] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[01:40] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:44] <alex_mayorga> hi
[01:44] <LaserJock> hello
[01:45] <alex_mayorga> is this the place to ask for addition of components on the distro?
[01:47] <LaserJock> alex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates is the place to ask for a new package
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> do I just edit the wiki?
[01:47] <LaserJock> yes
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> how do I confirm http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp is not there yet?
[01:49] <LaserJock> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:49] <LaserJock> and packages.debian.org
[01:49] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: it's in fesity
[01:49] <Hobbsee> *feisty
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> coolio, what's the package name
[01:49] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison gsynaptics
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Packages
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Sources
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> I'm on feisty already
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> nice, checking and downloading
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> I wonder if there's something similar for multiple button mouses?
[02:14] <LaserJock> grrr
[02:14] <bddebian> grr?
[02:17] <LaserJock> I was looking at a couple Edubuntu packages
[02:18] <LaserJock> and they are FTBFS
[02:19] <LaserJock> rebuilt for python2.5 even though they are set to python2.4 only in debian/control
[02:19] <cypherbios> someone here knows what is the sintax parsed by Udate Manager to create a link to an bug in the change log viewer embed on update-manager? i.e: LP:#89325 links to https://launchpad.net/bugs/89325
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89325 in aptoncd "returns to the beggining if the user hasn't enough rights to save the folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:19] <cypherbios> I just need to put on changelog '* closes LP:#89325' and update manager will show an link to the corresponding bug automatically ?
[02:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: :(
[02:20] <LaserJock> I think they might also be trying to make python2.4-* even though it was supposedly move to new python policy
[02:20] <LaserJock> I don't quite get it
[02:20] <bddebian> Nice
[02:21] <LaserJock> and they are Main :/
[02:32] <LaserJock> darn, where is ajmitch when I need him? :-)
[02:33] <bddebian> Gone for a couple days iirc
[02:33] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, which packages are these?
[02:34] <Fujitsu> I know of two Edubuntu-related main ones, but it's probably not them.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> (the two I'm thinking of should be demoted, as they're rather broken at the moment)
[02:37] <LaserJock> schooltool and schoolbell
[02:37] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: which ones are you thinking of?
[02:37] <LaserJock> denemo?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Those are the ones I'm talking about.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Don't try.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> That version doesn't work with Zope 3.3, but trunk does.
[02:39] <LaserJock> well yeah, that's what I'm saying
[02:39] <LaserJock> the took them out of Etch
[02:39] <LaserJock> *they
[02:39] <Fujitsu> There are no release plans at the moment, either.
[02:40] <LaserJock> it's supposed to be following new python policy
[02:41] <LaserJock> but they are still producing python2.4-*
[02:41] <Fujitsu> There's little point making it follow it.
[02:41] <LaserJock> well sure, but the point is that why is it said to follow new python policy if it doesn't
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Who knows...
[02:42] <LaserJock> it's stuck on pyton2.4 but was rebuild for 2.5
[02:42] <Fujitsu> It seems to produce python2.X-school{tool,bell} packages, which is wrong.
[02:42] <LaserJock> that's what I'm saying
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Ah, this is true.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> I hadn't read all of the conversation, so I didn't see that line.
[03:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: You think Bug #86306 should be rejected?
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86306 in qgis "qgis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86306
[03:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: not yet
[03:32] <LaserJock> I can't think of a reason to reject it, yet
[03:32] <bddebian> Uhm, we don't have 0.8? :-)
[03:32] <LaserJock> but I just left a note on that
[03:32] <LaserJock> asking the reporter if they do indeed have 0.8
[03:32] <bddebian> Look at the crash report
[03:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's pretty much meaningless to me
[03:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you get out of it?
[03:36] <LaserJock> ahh
[03:37] <LaserJock> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10
[03:37] <LaserJock> Package: qgis 0.8.0-2
[03:38] <bddebian> Yep :)
[03:38] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:38] <LaserJock> let's just see if he responds to my comment
[03:39] <bddebian> NP
[03:39] <LaserJock> he must have gotten it from Debian or something
[03:39] <bddebian> Does Debian have 0.8?
[03:39] <bddebian> Nope
[03:39] <LaserJock> nope
[03:41] <LaserJock> the qgis site has an edgy tarball
[03:41] <LaserJock> but no .deb
[03:41] <LaserJock> ah, but somebody does have a debian repo for it
[03:42] <LaserJock> http://download.qgis.org/qgis/etch/README
[03:46] <bddebian> How the hell is python-scipy-core a depends for python-scipy when python-scipy conflicts/replaces python-scipy-core?
[03:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: which version?
[03:53] <bddebian> Which version of what, python-scipy?
[03:53] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[03:54] <bddebian>  0.5.2
[03:54] <LaserJock> the current feisty version doesn't
[03:54] <LaserJock> 0.5.2-0.1ubuntu1
[03:55] <bddebian> Doesn't what?
[03:55] <bddebian> Do and apt-cache rdepends python-scipy-core
[03:56] <bddebian> Oh, I just noticed that I wrote that backwards
[03:56] <LaserJock> well that's weird
[03:56] <LaserJock> python-scipy doesn't dep on it
[03:56] <bddebian> The only thing I can figure is he's trying to transition python-scipy-core?
[03:57] <LaserJock> oh sure, but the dep isn't there
[03:57] <LaserJock> python-scipy-core was replaced by python-numpy in edgy
[03:58] <bddebian> WTF, python-scipy-core Recommends python-scipy
[04:00] <LaserJock> sure
[04:00] <bddebian> I'm confused as shit
[04:00] <LaserJock> heh
[04:00] <LaserJock> python-scipy used to use python-scipy-core as a core library
[04:00] <bddebian> How do you recommend a package that conflicts and replaces yourself?
[04:00] <LaserJock> now scipy-core has been replaced by numpy
[04:01] <LaserJock> that's because scipy-core hasn't been touched since the transition
[04:01] <LaserJock> it's an obsolete package
[04:02] <bddebian> So what about python-f2py ? :-)
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, that was a dep of older scipy
[04:02] <LaserJock> but I think maybe numpy has swallowed that too
[04:03] <LaserJock> because numpy has a Replaces: on f2py
[04:03] <LaserJock> ok ..
[04:04] <LaserJock> so f2py deps on scipy-core
[04:04] <LaserJock> so that redepends makes sense
[04:04] <bddebian> Except that both are obsolete?
[04:05] <LaserJock> well ...
[04:05] <LaserJock> basically, but some people might want to still use them because they have written code for them
[04:05] <LaserJock> however, scipy does *not* depend on scipy-core
[04:06] <LaserJock> so I don't get that rdepends
[04:09] <LaserJock> hmm, it might be a becuase of the Conflicts
[04:10] <LaserJock> apt-cache depends python-scipy
[04:16] <LaserJock> bddebian: why are you concerned?
[04:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Bug #73531
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73531 in python-scipy-core "package description does not match dependancies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73531
[04:18] <bddebian> whooops, wrong one
[04:18] <bddebian> No, that's it
[04:19] <LaserJock> I didn't think it was released yet
[04:19] <Hobbsee> when is it released?
[04:20] <LaserJock> March 14th
[04:20] <LaserJock> we have the betas in now
[04:21] <LaserJock> so we'll have 2.18 on the 14th
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:21] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:21] <Hobbsee> so the beta is in now?  interesting...
[04:21] <LaserJock> seb and daniel get the packages in the same day
[04:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: We always have the latest GNOME version during the dev cycle...
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true.  must be including the betas then
[04:22] <LaserJock> yes, the versions are 2.17something
[04:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen is where I go the info
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:23] <LaserJock> I think we have 2.17.92
[04:25] <bddebian> Damn I can't get anything done anymore.. :(
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: is wxwidgets2.8 progressing?
[04:52] <bddebian> crimsun: doko uploaded it afaik
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: ok.
[04:53] <bddebian> He made his own package
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> This might be a silly question, but:  How are pretty ncurses interfaces made?  ie, how hard would it be to make a simple menu thing?
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> I'm researching for some PIIs and such, 128 RAM or so.
[04:57] <crimsun> not difficult at all.
[04:57] <bddebian> Can you use pretty and ncurses in the same sentence? :)
[04:57] <LaserJock> of course
[04:58] <LaserJock> ncurses > *
[04:58] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:58] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <LaserJock> creating CLI beauty
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: What are my prerequiesites of things I need to know / have?
[04:59] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: at least the dev package
[05:00] <crimsun> if you don't necessarily need ncurses, see whiptail.
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> Is there a menu wizard, or does this involve writing code, starting from templates,... I really don't know what I might be facing.
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> whiptail - I've heard of that I think
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> What I'm envisioning is some system restore stuff involving a "rescue partition" like a lot of laptops come with involving a partimage image file, and a sort of "you're really sure?" menu, maybe a few other options
[05:03] <crimsun> have you considered refactoring hubackup for that purpose?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> I haven't heard of that, honestly.  Just started pondering this today.  Can you tell me more?
[05:04] <crimsun> sure, ``apt-cache show hubackup'', and see its bzr branch(es)
[05:05] <crimsun> (hosted on LP)
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'll do both.  hubackup looks good for data checkpoints, while the other method could be the "wow, this is really hosed - screw and start over" option
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> whiptail looks really nice, btw.
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> great tip
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Is there something like the UCK for alternate CDs?  That seems to be for Live ones.
[05:49] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: all I know of are wiki pages
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: that may change soon - a sec
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/customize-download-cd
[05:59] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: looks cool
[06:17] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Reconstructor now does "Alt" disks.
[06:17] <_MMA_> I should post that to the spec.
[06:18] <LaserJock> cool
[06:19] <_MMA_> bah. No WIKI page yet. :(
[07:30] <afflux> If I have a source-package that creates two packages, one of them depends on lame, (which is in multiverse), one of them doesn't. would both go to multiverse or could one go to universe and the other to multi?
[07:30] <afflux> *multiverse
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afflux: they'd both go to multiverse
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afflux: as the source would
[07:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Why? One could go into universe, surely?
[07:31] <afflux> gah. so I would need two source-packages.
[07:31] <Fujitsu> Like a number of packages are partly in universe, partly in main.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true, but that's a seeding issue, iirc.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> which is different
[07:31] <Fujitsu> I don't see the issue, but you'd be better of asking an archive admin.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> afaik, the sources and binaries have to go into the same component, in most cases
[07:32] <afflux> hm, alright. it's not that complicated here, just some copy&pasting. I'll do two packages ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> afflux: is lame imperative?
[07:33] <crimsun> can you get away with a 'Suggests: lame' ?
[07:33] <afflux> no
[07:33] <crimsun> right, then have only one binary 'Depends: lame', and that will be the one package that resides in multiverse
[07:33] <afflux> I'll want to build a converter, ape2mp3 and ape2ogg.
[07:33] <crimsun> oh sheesh
[07:34] <crimsun> not monkey's audio
[07:34] <crimsun> that whole thing will go into multiverse, then
[07:34] <crimsun> last I checked, that entire pile doesn't have a Free license
[07:34] <afflux> this would be basicly a shell script starting "mac" (monkeys audio console utils) and the encoder.
[07:35] <crimsun> dilinger tried for ages to get upstream to use a Free license
[07:35] <afflux> hm. I see.
[07:35] <afflux> I wonder how they got that mac for linux package into sourcefourge.
[07:37] <crimsun> well, if it doesn't pass Debian, it's equally unlikely to pass Ubuntu
[07:38] <crimsun> granted, there are exceptions (e.g., firefox), but upstream has demonstrated an unwillingness to use Free
[07:39] <afflux> alright...
[07:41] <crimsun> have you also packaged monkey's audio?
[07:41] <afflux> yes
[07:41] <afflux> uploaded some time ago to revu
[07:41] <afflux> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4442
[09:20] <imbrandon> sf doesnt nessesarly mean it meets the dfsg, what we follow 98% of the time
[09:21] <imbrandon> ther are lots of projects on sf, including some MS shared source lic projects iirc
[09:21] <imbrandon> that wouldent make it into debian/ubuntu
[09:36] <afflux> oh, I thought sf is free-licenses only O.o
[09:41] <Amaranth> afflux: some licenses that sf allows are open source but not DFSG-Free
[09:42] <afflux> i see.
[10:48] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:57] <jekil> hi
[12:15] <white> lucas: hi, i had a short look at the mail you wrote to mia@ , but i could not find the two packages you mentioned and "dak ls" on merkel does not give me any information about them either :(
[12:16] <LongPointyStick> heya white
[12:19] <white> LongPointyStick: huhu :)
[12:19] <white> LongPointyStick: how is to goin?
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> white: good :)  it's hobbsee, btw
[12:19] <white> s/to/it/
[12:19] <white> i know, who else would have a long pointy stick? :)
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> ahhh
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> so you do know about that already
[12:20] <white> :)
[12:30] <Lutin> white: hay :). I updated kayali, it should be fine now. could you have a look at it when you have some time ?
[12:48] <imbrandon> crimsun, round?
[02:08] <white> Lutin: sure, sorry that i was a bit unresponsive, just send me an email with the information please
[02:08] <white> lucas: fenton and mechanix according to the mail
[02:09] <Lutin> white: ok
[02:59] <sacater> with debdiff, do you do 'debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc' or 'debdiff <new>.dsc <old>.dsc'
[03:00] <imbrandon> old new
[03:00] <sacater> imbrandon: ty
[03:12] <sacater> in debuild, what does the -S extension do
[03:13] <imbrandon> from the manpage, it says to build a source only package
[03:15] <sacater> imbrandon: cool, could you look at my debdiff on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747, and tell me whether it looks ok and can be used
[03:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  
[03:24] <zorglu_> q. naive question, when doing apt-get install, i got a "(Reading database ... " which is quite long and harmering the disk, why is it so long ?
[03:25] <geser> sacater: in the changelog: feisty and not unstable and you need to change the Maintainer in debian/control according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[03:26] <sacater> geser: ty ill get right on it
[03:27] <sacater> zorglu_: slow internet? slow cpu?
[03:28] <zorglu_> sacater: "reading database" is local only so it is not the internet (btw i download at 1mbyte/s), im just wondering how come it spend so much time reading a database
[03:28] <zorglu_> sacater: apparently the database contains 150000 file. which is quite small
[03:28] <sacater> zorglu_: erm, no thats rather large, anyway, is your HDD SATA, IDE?
[03:29] <zorglu_> i dunno :)
[03:29] <zorglu_> well in early 90, i was doing 10millions record in database without issue... so i guess that 17years later we can do as good :)
[03:30] <zorglu_> but ok, it was just out of curiosity
[03:30] <sacater> zorglu_: no no, its something to persue, it shouldnt hammer ur disk like you suggest
[03:30] <sacater> just CPU
[03:30] <sacater> if that
[03:31] <zorglu_> ok lets me retry and i will give you the cpu usage
[03:31] <sacater> ok
[03:31] <zorglu_> 4%
[03:31] <sacater> are you using gnome or XFCE?
[03:32] <zorglu_> i run kubuntu edgy
[03:33] <zorglu_> during the apt-get install it read the disk for a few second at 3-8mbyte/s
[03:33] <zorglu_> i guess it is due to the format of the database
[03:49] <esaym> what is the package name for the dev perl?
[03:50] <sacater> geser: okay done it all but the maintainer, do i change it to my name :D?
[03:50] <geser> sacater: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[03:50] <imbrandon> ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com as per the wiki
[03:51] <sacater> imbrandon: eh?
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:55] <geser> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:37] <bddebian> Anyone familiar with mpichpython?
[06:54] <zul> is it just me or is vim acting strangely?
[07:03] <imbrandon> just you
[07:04] <imbrandon> because your the only vim user not converted to nano ;)
[07:04] <imbrandon> bwhahahah
[07:04] <imbrandon> sudo rm /usr/bin/vim && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/nano
[07:05] <jdong> is it just me or is emacs being a PITA?
[07:06] <jdong> imbrandon: that's something like what I did on my campus shell account...
[07:06] <jdong> only with emacs and vim.
[07:06] <imbrandon> ed ftw
[07:06] <jdong> sweet these servers do have ed!
[07:11] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[07:29] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747 and tell me whether it looks okay to be used
[07:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[07:35] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747 and tell me whether it looks okay to be used
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[07:42] <geser> sacater: please read the wiki page about the maintainer again, you got it wrong
[07:42] <ScottK> sacater: Looking at your debdiff, it looks like the Debian maintainer moved xmms from Debends to Enhances and you are moving it back.  Why was the Debian maintainer wrong to do that?
[08:23] <sacater> ScottK: er dunno......................
[08:24] <sacater> geser: i got this xmms-midi package from apt-get source xmms-midi, therefore do you have ANY idea what should go into maintainer
[08:24] <ScottK> sacater: I dunno either, but I'd suggest that before you do undo what the Debian maintainer just did, you understand why he did it.
[08:26] <sacater> ScottK: erm what..... i hav'nt 'undone' anything, ive just modified one file, the changelog, and i have no clue as to what i do about maintainer
[08:29] <sacater> geser: i made a large modification to the latest TEA package under guidence of LaserJock, and he seemed to think that leaving the original maintainer was fine
[08:29] <sacater> geser: didnt complain about it in the lest
[08:30] <ScottK> sacater: The previous entry in the Debian changelog says that xmms was moved from depends to enhances.  You are moving it back.
[08:31] <sacater> ScottK: ah
[08:31] <sacater> oh sugar
[08:31] <ScottK> So, before you (essentially) remove the Debian maintainers last change, understand why he did what he did and have an explanation of why it's wrong.
[08:32] <sacater> ScottK: im new, what exactly does that mean, 
[08:32] <sacater> ok go on
[08:32] <ScottK> Your debdiff moves xmms from enhances to depends, correct?
[08:33] <sacater> whats enhances :S, ive only ever heard of depends
[08:33] <ScottK> The entry right below yours in the debian/changelog says, "* Move xmms to Enhances"
[08:33] <sacater> yes
[08:33] <ScottK> So, in his last upload, the Debian maintainer moved xmms from depends to enhances.
[08:33] <ScottK> Your patch puts it back.
[08:33] <sacater> what is enhances?
[08:34] <sacater> i have nfc what that is
[08:35] <sladen> sacater: then you definately shouldn't be undoing it without understanding that first :)
[08:36] <sacater> sladen: good point, i was eager to help with that bug report
[08:37] <ScottK> sacater: I can't find a good explanation to point you at.
[08:37] <sacater> ScottK: i googled and neither could it
[08:37] <sacater> I*
[08:37] <ScottK> It may be that enhances is just plain wrong, but I'm not experienced enough myself to know.
[08:37] <sladen> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps
[08:38] <sacater> sladen: thank you
[08:38] <ScottK> sladen: Thanks.  I looked in the policy manual and missed that.
[08:38] <sladen> sacater: generally I'd be /EXTREMELY/ hesitant about reversing a change like that
[08:38] <sacater> sladen: ScottK: got it, it 'enhances' xmms
[08:39] <sladen> sacater: what is the package you're working on?
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: agreed, ill think about closing the bug report once ive read the web page
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: one mo...
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747
[08:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[08:40] <sacater> yeh look
[08:40] <sacater> Source: xmms-midi
[08:40] <sacater> Maintainer: Paul Wise <pabs3@bonedaddy.net>
[08:40] <sacater> Section: sound
[08:40] <sacater> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.0), autotools-dev, xmms-dev
[08:40] <sacater> Priority: optional
[08:40] <sacater> Standards-Version: 3.6.2
[08:40] <sacater> Package: xmms-midi
[08:40] <sacater> Architecture: any
[08:40] <sacater> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, xmms
[08:40] <sacater> Enhances: xmms
[08:40] <sacater> Recommends: freepats
[08:40] <sacater> Description: MIDI plugin for XMMS
[08:40] <sladen> sacater: the Maintainer field must now be  *@ubuntu.com;  or you can have the packaging system change that
[08:40] <sacater>  This plugin enables XMMS to play MIDI files through Timidity.
[08:40] <sacater> it has enhances
[08:40] <sacater> ive added xmms to depends as you can se
[08:40] <sladen> sacater: flood--
[08:40] <sacater> sladen: yeh i know
[08:41] <sacater> ive seen worse floods
[08:42] <sacater> sladen: as it is said in 'enhances' shall i add that to the bug report, then confirm it as fix releaseed :S
[08:43] <sladen> sacater: or Rejected, yes
[08:44] <sacater> sladen: yeh, but thanks to you and ScottK, i now know what to look out for in the future
[08:44] <sacater> thanks :P
[08:44] <sladen> sacater: it might need to depend on timidity, I'm not sure
[08:45] <sacater> sladen: no, earlier in the changelog it ruled that out, as xmms comes with its own version, and so does xmms-midi
[08:45] <sladen> own versin of timidity?
[08:47] <sacater> yeh
[08:47] <sacater> what irc client are you using?
[08:47] <sladen> irssi, how come?
[08:47] <sacater> oh. i was going to send you the changelog but irssi dosnt support file transfer
[08:47] <sacater> sladen: jabber?
[08:49] <sladen> sacater: I was going to go to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/  but it appears to be down
[08:51] <sladen> +  * Use an external version of timidity instead of the internal one
[08:51] <sladen> +
[08:51] <sladen> + -- Paul Wise <pabs3@bonedaddy.net>  Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:24:59 +0800
[08:51] <sladen> ?
[08:54] <tsmithe> hmm... kqemu is still in multiverse.. but i can't be bothered to get the now open sources to package them up
[08:54] <tsmithe> so i'll be quiet now
[08:55] <sladen> you should be able to pull it from Debian
[08:55] <sladen> tsmithe: it was up in Debian within ~24hours I think
[08:55] <tsmithe> :S
[08:55] <tsmithe> they have more people :P
[08:56] <sladen> tsmithe: never, ever, duplicate work
[08:56] <tsmithe> very true ;)
[08:56] <sladen> if a sync from Debian is what is needed, request that
[09:08] <zorglu_> q. when i do "dpkg --build debian/tmp" in a debian/rules, i got this weird message during it "tar: -: file name read contains nul character", any idea where it comes from ?
[09:08] <zorglu_> this appears just before the "dpkg-genchanges -B"
[10:36] <Seveas> shawarma, you around?
[10:36] <shawarma> Seveas: Oui.
[10:36] <Seveas> great
[10:36] <shawarma> Thank you.
[10:36] <Seveas> you're the network-manager + vpnc wiz, right?
[10:37] <shawarma> That't the theory, yes.
[10:37] <Seveas> mind helping me with it?
[10:37] <shawarma> Not at all. Shoot.
[10:37] <Seveas> I can connect with vpnc to my universities network, but with exactly the same parameters, nm+vpnc fails
[10:38] <Seveas> I immediately get the response that it cannot connect to the server
[10:38] <shawarma> Interesting.
[10:38] <Seveas> no idea how to debug
[10:38] <Lathiat> lucky, vpnc never worked at my uni :( fortunately the cisco official ones worked
[10:39] <shawarma> Seveas: If I'm not much mistaken, it writes its output to syslog.
[10:39] <shawarma> Seveas: Hm.... Have you restarted NetworkManager since you installed the plugin?
[10:39] <Seveas> rebooted
[10:39] <shawarma> mkay.
[10:39] <Seveas> otherwise the newly created vpn connection didn't even show up in the lsit
[10:40] <shawarma> No, I've got a patch for that already.
[10:40] <shawarma> Seveas: Did you set up the connectio manually or did you import a pcf?
[10:40] <Seveas> tried both
[10:40] <shawarma> Is the connection name by any chance really long?
[10:40] <Seveas> only if 3 letters is long
[10:40] <shawarma> Or contains "interesting" characters?
[10:41] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8679/
[10:41] <shawarma> Seveas: Ah.
[10:41] <Seveas> UvA
[10:42] <Seveas> don't know how to interpret most of that log, maybe you can?
[10:43] <shawarma> There's really not much to work with.
[10:44] <Seveas> I'll pester the NM mailinglist :)
[10:44] <shawarma> just a sec, I'll try connecting to my university to compare log files.
[10:48] <shawarma> Seveas: I'll put my log file on the pastebin. Just a minute.
[10:49] <shawarma> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8681/
[10:53] <Seveas> DOH!
[10:54] <shawarma> Is vpnc still running?
[10:54] <Seveas> I swapped password and group password
[10:54] <shawarma> Oh. That helped? Not a very helpful error message..
[10:55] <Seveas> yeah that helped it works now
[10:57] <shawarma> Seveas: It really should give a better error message..
[10:57] <Seveas> yeah
[10:58] <shawarma> Seveas: Could you do me a favour and file a bug about it? I'll look at it tomorrow evening then.
[11:01] <Seveas> bug 89735
[11:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89735 in network-manager-vpnc "Bogus error messages in case of user stupidity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89735
[11:01] <Seveas> shawarma, --^
[11:04] <shawarma> I've got a patch already. :-)
[11:09] <shawarma> Seveas: Are you on amd64 or i386?
[11:10] <Seveas> 386
[11:11] <shawarma> Seveas: Alright. I've got an updated vpnc package that might fix it. Would you mind testing it?
[11:13] <shawarma> Seveas: Check your mail.
[11:34] <Seveas> shawarma, sorry for the delay
[11:34] <Seveas> excellent, much better error message
[11:37] <shawarma> Seveas: Great. I'll upload it right away.