[12:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'nothing'?
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[12:29] <rmd_> well, it cycles through the tracks, trying to play them.  no tracks are played and i get no error message.
[12:29] <the_eye> hyper_ch: but if you say I don't need one because it's all self-explanatory then that's cool
[12:29] <kriel> hey, i recently just got a new laptop and the sound dosen't work on it. I found a patch on alsa's bugtracking site. Could someone please help me apply it to my computer?
[12:30] <hyper_ch> the_eye: hmmm, I guess you know what language, keyboard layout and country you want to select
[12:30] <rmd_> i don't really want to use xmms
[12:30] <rmd_> it's ugly
[12:30] <the_eye> yup
[12:30] <hyper_ch> the_eye: the only "tough" part is the partitioner... but if you have partitioned your drives before and know what drive is waht then you won't have a problem
[12:30] <rmd_> but its the only thing that is actually *working* right now
[12:30] <rmd_> amarok just doesn't work, and doesn't tell me why
[12:30] <hyper_ch> the_eye: just remember a swap partition about 2x size of your ram
[12:31] <hyper_ch> the_eye: then a root partition about 10-15gb
[12:31] <the_eye> hyper_ch: i've installed various kinds of OSes before (including gentoo on sparc-boxes via netboot), i'm just new to ubuntu
[12:31] <hyper_ch> the_eye: and for the rest I recommend making a /home partition
[12:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> rmd_: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php?topic=13739.msg17724
[12:31] <hyper_ch> the_eye: then you won't have problems
[12:32] <the_eye> hyper_ch: cool, well then thanks.
[12:32] <rmd_> god that's hilarious
[12:32] <the_eye> hyper_ch: if I happen to find some anyway, I'll be back in here
[12:32] <rmd_> because someone else suggested that i use id3-v2 tags
[12:32] <rmd_> now how do i strip them?
[12:33] <R[a] ndom> rmd_, #amarok
[12:33] <R[a] ndom> ?
[12:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> rmd_: Second comment in that thread.
[12:34] <rmd_> damn
[12:34] <rmd_> i skipped over it because it was so short
[12:34] <rmd_> i'm such an ass
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[12:47] <Eagle_101> ok how do I try say KDE instead of xfce?
[12:47] <blanky> Eagle_101: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:47] <Eagle_101> ah thats all?
[12:47] <Eagle_101> then I just logout and back in?
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[12:48] <Eagle_101> and is there a keyboard shortcut of some kind for opening a new terminal (I'm in one already using irssi)
[12:49] <blanky> sorry don't know
[12:49] <blanky> later
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[12:49] <R[a] ndom> lol
[12:49] <R[a] ndom> you can always ctrl alt f1-4 to get a terminal
[12:49] <R[a] ndom> but if you want to open a new window, dunno
[12:49] <R[a] ndom> bind your own
[12:50] <rmd_> Eagle_101, if you're talking about console, then f1-4.  if youre in xfce4, you can alt-f2 and type xfce4-terminal
[12:50] <rmd_> or better yet, just use screen
[12:50] <ffxr> ah... so its better to use XGL for your openGL calls rather than NVIDIA's support (for beryl)
[12:51] <Eagle_101> rmd_: thanks :D
[12:51] <R[a] ndom> yeah screen is great
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[12:51] <Eagle_101> and what is "screen
[12:51] <R[a] ndom> !screen
[12:51] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:51] <Eagle_101> oh duh, just ask that wonderful bot
[12:52] <rmd_> Eagle_101, imagine being able to switch from console to X and be able to take all your running console proccesses with you
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[12:52] <rmd_> processes*
[12:52] <rmd_> it also removes the need for multiple console windows or the new technique of terminal tabs.
[12:52] <R[a] ndom> or from an ssh session to logged in at home
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[12:52] <Eagle_101> nice ;)
[12:52] <rmd_> oh yes.  for remote, as well.
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[12:57] <n-iCe> Hi
[12:57] <rmd_> hey
[12:57] <Eagle_101> hey
[12:57] <n-iCe> =)
[12:57] <n-iCe> Just learning
[12:57] <Eagle_101> same here
[12:57] <n-iCe> I tried to install my print but fail :/
=== R[a] ndom is a grand master
[12:58] <R[a] ndom> :P
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[12:58] <n-iCe> Then can you help me with my printer ?
[12:58] <R[gone] ndom> :)
[12:58] <R[gone] ndom> <-
[12:58] <R[gone] ndom> I'm not here :P
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[12:58] <R[gone] ndom> !printer
[12:58] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:58] <R[gone] ndom> thats all I've got
[12:59] <R[gone] ndom> !botsnack
[12:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:00] <n-iCe> lexmark 1100
[01:00] <n-iCe> I tried everything
[01:01] <rmd_> describe what you have tried
[01:01] <n-iCe> read everything
[01:01] <R[gone] ndom> that must have taken a while
[01:02] <n-iCe> i didn't find how can i install it
[01:02] <Eagle_101> you sure you have the printer drivers?
[01:02] <n-iCe> I don't have them, i don't know , but i don't think because if i got them i could install the printer...
[01:02] <R[gone] ndom> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersLexmark
[01:03] <R[gone] ndom> Lexmark 1100
[01:03] <R[gone] ndom> supported: no
[01:03] <R[gone] ndom> works: no
[01:03] <R[gone] ndom> comments: Cups doesn't recognize the printer, and no print result after trying is getting successfully
[01:03] <n-iCe> but i read one say where said that could work
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[01:05] <rmd_> R[gone] ndom, you're supposed to be gone
[01:10] <ffxr> what does the section files do in xorg.conf?
[01:10] <n-iCe> how can i change my keyboard configurations ?
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[01:10] <cycro> i installed beryl
[01:12] <cycro> ehh
[01:12] <cycro> i dont like it :(
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[01:14] <n-iCe> cycro,  why not ?
[01:14] <cycro> well for one, i cant see my desktop
[01:14] <cycro> i have a pdf opened and it wont minimize
[01:15] <n-iCe> distro ?
[01:15] <cycro> um
[01:15] <cycro> ?
[01:15] <cycro> xubuntu?
[01:15] <cycro> beryl emerald?
[01:15] <n-iCe> are you using xubuntu ?
[01:15] <n-iCe> how did you install beryl in xubuntu ?
[01:15] <cycro> yes
[01:15] <cycro> ..
[01:15] <cycro> lol
[01:15] <cycro> well
[01:15] <cycro> i was in the GNOME thing
[01:15] <cycro> and i installed it like that
[01:15] <cycro> and then i logged off
[01:16] <cycro> and then back into xubuntu
[01:17] <cycro> but how do i minimize things?
[01:17] <n-iCe> look in the options
[01:18] <Eagle_101> cycro: look at the bottom bar, you should see an icon on the right hand side, push that
[01:18] <Eagle_101> *left hand side
[01:18] <Eagle_101> looks like a square
[01:18] <cycro> the desktop one?
[01:18] <n-iCe> cycro,  can you tell me how to install it '
[01:18] <Eagle_101> yeah
[01:18] <Eagle_101> that
[01:18] <cycro> doesnt work
[01:18] <Eagle_101> :S
[01:18] <Eagle_101> pkill the app then :P
[01:19] <cycro> lol
[01:19] <cycro> how do i move hte cube thing?
[01:19] <cycro> as in switch desktops
[01:20] <n-iCe> you need to able the options
[01:20] <Eagle_101> cycro: what cube thing?
[01:20] <Eagle_101> what is this cube I keep hearing about ;)
[01:21] <cycro> cant u rotate ur desktop in a cube?
[01:21] <Eagle_101> me? no
[01:21] <n-iCe> need beryl
[01:21] <n-iCe> to do that
[01:21] <Eagle_101> then agian I don't have beryl :P
[01:22] <Eagle_101> nor do I think I want it on this slow laptop
[01:22] <Eagle_101> I'm trying KDE now, but I think it will be too much ;)
[01:22] <rmd_> kde is a waste
[01:22] <rmd_> ormiret, rather
[01:22] <rmd_> or rather
[01:22] <n-iCe> cycro,  can you tell me the guide did you read to install it please?
[01:22] <rmd_> the whole desktop setup for kde is a waste
[01:23] <ffxr> how do i check how much ram is on my video card? from the command line.. and what would qualify as 'lots of RAM?
[01:23] <cycro> uhh
[01:23] <cycro> crap
[01:23] <cycro> i closed it
[01:23] <cycro> -_-
[01:23] <n-iCe> how can i add a repostery ? Add the Beryl repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <n-iCe> repository *
[01:23] <cycro> wait
[01:23] <cycro> i found it
[01:23] <cycro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy?highlight=%28beryl%29
[01:24] <n-iCe> in xubuntu is sumo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:24] <n-iCe> cycro,  but is for ubuntu
[01:24] <cycro> yeah
[01:24] <cycro> i did it for ubuntu
[01:25] <cycro> i have ubuntu and xubuntu
[01:25] <n-iCe> I want to do it in xubuntu
[01:26] <Eagle_101> rmd_: what you mean a waste?
[01:26] <cycro> mm
[01:26] <cycro> so it wont work
[01:26] <cycro> ?
[01:26] <cycro> try it
[01:31] <rmd_> Eagle_101, I mean that they've got lots of software and some good ideas, but that every time I switch over to use it it performs like crap, looks like crap, and something crashes ever 45 minutes.  for me.
[01:32] <Eagle_101> rmd_: ow
[01:32] <Eagle_101> how fast is your computer?
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[01:32] <rmd_> Eagle_101, i'm talking about comparable to gnome or xfce.  and i'm talking about for the last 5 years.
[01:33] <Eagle_101> wow ok
[01:33] <Eagle_101> then how do so many people use it if its so buggy?
[01:33] <rmd_> i've just never had any luck with it
[01:33] <Eagle_101> heh :D
[01:33] <rmd_> i'm not saying it's buggy
[01:33] <Eagle_101> I'm just trying it to see how much eye candy there is :D
[01:33] <rmd_> I'm saying that on the systems I have installed it on during the last 5 years, its always been crap
[01:34] <Eagle_101> I see
[01:34] <rmd_> In terms of eye candy, it is unimpressive.  The translucent windows are fairly fast, but the window shadows look awful and the desklets are, to me, pretty bad.
[01:34] <Eagle_101> ah
[01:34] <rmd_> although
[01:35] <rmd_> the "window fading" looked pretty good
[01:35] <Eagle_101> I can't even figure out how to put anything on the desktop on xfce :P
[01:35] <rmd_> Eagle_101, download adesklets
[01:35] <Eagle_101> just the toolbars (to which I've added a preformence monitor)
[01:35] <rmd_> but beware that, if you're using the compositor, they will not work correctly.
[01:35] <Eagle_101> whats the compositor?
[01:35] <Eagle_101> lol
[01:36] <Eagle_101> !compositor
[01:36] <ubotu> For instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite
[01:36] <rmd_> in xfce4 it is what makes your windows transparent
[01:36] <Eagle_101> ah ok
[01:36] <Eagle_101> and no I'm not using that ;)
[01:36] <Eagle_101> is there anything in KDE that xfce can't do :P
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[01:37] <ffxr> wat do u reckno this measured in VideoRam    671088640 that couldnt be Megabytes could it...?
[01:37] <ffxr> "VideoRam    671088640"
[01:37] <ffxr> bytes surely?
[01:37] <Eagle_101> kylobytes I think....
[01:37] <ffxr> from an xorg.conf..
[01:37] <Eagle_101> oh thats bytes
[01:37] <Eagle_101> has to be
[01:37] <Eagle_101> lol
[01:38] <rmd_> is there anything kde does that xfce doesn't?
[01:38] <ffxr> yeah .. hahah yeah has my head scratching n all
[01:38] <Eagle_101> rmd_: I don't know :P but yeah thats my question
[01:38] <Eagle_101> ffxr:  if it were kilobytes, that would be ~670 GBs
[01:38] <ffxr> well its a bitch to change the background of your panels & thunar to pixmaps : sp
[01:38] <ffxr> ahahahaha
[01:39] <Eagle_101> just hope that number is bytes :P
[01:39] <ffxr> yeah.. right so bytes,,.? ist still a funny number aint it?
[01:39] <rmd_> that is something you would have to poke around and look for yourself.  i can tell you that i have never seen anything in kde that is "new" or "inventive" from what xfce offers.  but there are several different options, such an integrated "trash can" and various other things.
[01:39] <Eagle_101> well thats about 670 Mbs
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[01:39] <nottorus> hi
[01:39] <nottorus> how
[01:39] <Eagle_101> rmd_: ah :D
[01:39] <Eagle_101> hi nottorus
[01:39] <nottorus> do I un-install oppenoffice?
[01:39] <Eagle_101> sudo apt-get remove oppenoffice
[01:40] <nottorus> I don't find a package manager to un-install?
[01:40] <rmd_> nottorus,
[01:40] <rmd_> nottorus, use synaptic
[01:40] <nottorus> i am there
[01:40] <ffxr> mmm yeah..  what graphics card has 670mb on board? wiurd
[01:40] <nottorus> just uncheck that?
[01:40] <rmd_> click search and type in "openoffice.org"
[01:40] <rmd_> well i suggest you click it and chose "completely remove"
[01:41] <rmd_> choose*
[01:41] <nottorus> 670mb o.O isn't that a lot?
[01:41] <Eagle_101> yeah me thinks >.>
[01:41] <ffxr> yeah its jsut a funny number.. 256 512....
[01:41] <ffxr> then in his freakin signature Geforce 6800GS 256MB
[01:41] <ffxr> unless its about using shared RAM..
[01:42] <ffxr> ll leave it out for the time being.. anyone ever seen any decent documentation for xorg.conf..?
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[01:42] <Eagle_101> !xorg.conf
[01:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:43] <Eagle_101> try that url :D
[01:43] <Eagle_101> !botsnack
[01:43] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:43] <ffxr> : ta
[01:43] <rmd_> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[01:43] <Eagle_101> that bot is quite something :D
[01:45] <ffxr> thats the one rmd_
[01:45] <ffxr> : )
[01:47] <nottorus> unbelivable, this shit is like m$$
[01:47] <nottorus> for the live of me I can't uninstall OO.org
[01:48] <nottorus> I wish ubuntu had the choice of using portage for christ sake
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[01:51] <nottorus> is there a reason I can't un-install oo.org?
[01:51] <rmd_> nottorus, are you using the add/remove option or Synaptic?
[01:51] <rmd_> or apt-get or aptitude from the command line?
[01:54] <nottorus> yeah
[01:54] <nottorus> not command line
[01:56] <rmd_> nottorus, which one?  are you using "add or remove..." or "synaptic package manager"?
[01:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What error are you getting?
[01:56] <ffxr> geronimo
[01:56] <nottorus> synaptic package manager
[01:56] <rmd_> ok.  so are you getting an error?
[01:56] <nottorus> yeah
[01:57] <nottorus> about dependencies or something
[01:57] <nottorus> o I see I should use add/remove?/
[01:57] <rmd_> no
[01:57] <rmd_> try again and tell us exactly what the error is.
[01:59] <nottorus> ok, I gotta wait for a upgrade
[01:59] <Eagle_101> nottorus: what did you not like about open office ;)
[01:59] <Eagle_101> and on a related note, is there anything comparable to it?
[02:00] <Eagle_101> !openoffice
[02:00] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[02:00] <n-iCe> How can i add an icon to my desktop if is in the menu
[02:00] <nottorus> I am using a low processing computer
[02:00] <n-iCe> or to the panel
[02:00] <Eagle_101> nottorus: ah I see
[02:00] <nottorus> and it sitting largely un-used
[02:00] <Eagle_101> !word processor
[02:00] <nottorus> so it irks me that fact that's there
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about word processor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Eagle_101> nottorus: I get what you mean ;)
[02:01] <n-iCe> any idea?
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[02:09] <Eagle_101> ok, when I apt-get, where do all the files install to?
[02:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wherever they're supposed to go.  `dpkg -L packagename` to see them.
[02:12] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: thanks
[02:14] <Eagle_101> ok I guess I should clarify, how do I get a listing of all applications on this computer?
[02:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What do you mean by 'applications'?
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[02:16] <nottorus> hi
[02:17] <nottorus> what reason could I it be for Xubuntu to shutdown randomnly?
[02:17] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: programs that you get
[02:17] <n-iCe> bad installation?
[02:17] <nottorus> I have gentoo and I leave it for days on and never crashes
[02:17] <n-iCe> wrong installation
[02:17] <ffxr> !composite
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <ffxr> !transparecy
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about transparecy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <nottorus> ok so a new installation would do it?
[02:18] <ffxr> !xcomposite
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcomposite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <nottorus> wrong installation in what way?
[02:19] <n-iCe> check error in the disc
[02:19] <n-iCe> when you insert the disc and boot you'll see the iotion to check the disc erros
[02:19] <nottorus> true, this is a fairly old putter
[02:19] <nottorus> 500MHz
[02:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: Yes, but what falls in that category, for you?  Are you looking for a list of all installed packages, all GUI applications, CLI and GUI applications, or what?
[02:20] <ffxr> gone tell that bot to wake up.. & see the link he gives for stuff about transparency..  its not right..
[02:20] <nottorus> cannot I check with Xubuntu installation  running?
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[02:21] <Eagle_101> ah, PuMpErNiCkLe pretty much everything
[02:21] <Eagle_101> I want to see what all comes with this OS
[02:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: dpkg -l, then.  Beware, though, it's a very long list.
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[02:24] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: thanks :D and any ideas on how to narrow that down any?
[02:24] <Eagle_101> though I do appreciate that one :D
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[02:26] <nottorus> glibc detected *** /usr/bin/dpkg: (): invalid pointer: 0xb79b1315 ***
[02:28] <Eagle_101> I have no clue what that means ;)
[02:28] <Eagle_101> well I have a clue
[02:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: That one operates by name pattern.  Leaving it blank shows everything.
[02:28] <Eagle_101> just how to fix it :P
[02:28] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: ah ok thanks
[02:28] <nottorus> in preparing libwxgtk2.6-0
[02:29] <nottorus> Unpacking replacement libwxgtk2.6-0 <--- is that supposed to take a long time/
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[02:40] <cycro> hello
[02:40] <n-iCe> How to use beryl in xubuntu  ?
[02:40] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: I have no clue
[02:41] <cycro> can somebody help me recover lost files?
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[02:41] <n-iCe> or how can i change my keyboard ?
[02:42] <n-iCe> to latin
[02:44] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: a google search yields http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339980
[02:49] <cycro> are there any linux live cds for data recovery?
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[02:58] <cycro> anybody?
[02:58] <cycro> know how i can recover lost data via live cd?
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[03:00] <Eagle_101> cycro: I have no clue
[03:01] <Eagle_101> a question of my own though, is it possible to use xubuntu to access files on a windows (NTFS) partition?
[03:01] <ffxr> where can i look at my bootsplash settings? sdurinhg the segment where i presume bootsplash is loading i get a black screen .. only output i get is on my monitor .. "frequency out of range"
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[03:01] <cycro> mm
[03:01] <cycro> probably
[03:02] <ffxr> yes it is Eagle_101
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[03:03] <ffxr> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access
[03:04] <Eagle_101> thanks
[03:05] <Eagle_101> ffxr: thanks agian
[03:05] <ffxr> no worries fella : )
[03:07] <ffxr> i think that ntfs-3g is now out of beta now as well, so its *even* more reliable.. i used it for months writing to & from p2p programs.. so it works well : )
[03:09] <Eagle_101> cool, as soon as I can figure all this out :D
[03:09] <cycro> is this useful? http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsprogs.8.html
[03:11] <Eagle_101> I'm just figuring out the whole concept ;)
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[03:12] <n-iCe> Hi
[03:12] <n-iCe> How can I add the menu in the panel again ?
[03:12] <n-iCe> isn't there
[03:13] <Eagle_101> the menu in the panel?
[03:13] <n-iCe> yes
[03:13] <Eagle_101> you mean where it says applications?
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[03:13] <n-iCe> yes
[03:13] <Eagle_101> hang on ... I did something to that by mistake ;) let me find that again
[03:14] <Eagle_101> type in terminal xfce4-menueditor
[03:15] <Eagle_101> !xfce4-menueditor
[03:15] <n-iCe> how can i join to terminal
[03:15] <n-iCe> is isn't there the menu
[03:16] <Eagle_101> oh go to applications >> system >> terminal (remember where that sucker is, its useful ;) )
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[03:16] <n-iCe> god
[03:16] <n-iCe> you didn't understand me
[03:16] <n-iCe> I don't have the menu i don't have applications
[03:17] <n-iCe> How can i show applications
[03:17] <Eagle_101> eeee
[03:17] <Eagle_101> hang on ... what do you have ?
[03:17] <Eagle_101> ok
[03:17] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: do this...
[03:17] <Eagle_101> don't do it until I'm done ok?
[03:17] <n-iCe> ok
[03:18] <cycro> alt + f2
[03:18] <Eagle_101> damn :D
[03:18] <Eagle_101> that works :D
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[03:19] <Eagle_101> do that
[03:19] <cycro> lol
[03:19] <n-iCe> There what i need to write?
[03:19] <s|k_> hrm
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[03:20] <Eagle_101> xfce4-menueditor
[03:20] <Eagle_101> put that in there
[03:21] <s|k> hrm
[03:21] <Eagle_101> aha
[03:21] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: I've got a better way
[03:21] <Eagle_101> you have a menubar at the top right?
[03:21] <Eagle_101> right click it
[03:21] <n-iCe> done
[03:21] <Eagle_101> you should see something that says "add"
[03:22] <Eagle_101> then type in the find box there xfce menu
[03:22] <Eagle_101> drag that icon to the toolbar
[03:24] <s|k> what's a good rss reader in xubuntu?
[03:24] <Eagle_101> !rss
[03:24] <s|k> !rss
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <Eagle_101> why does it not listen to me :P
[03:25] <s|k> !aggregator
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aggregator - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <s|k> :/
[03:25] <s|k> hrm
[03:26] <n-iCe> isnpt
[03:26] <n-iCe> <s|k> hrm thre
[03:26] <n-iCe> doesn't exist xfce menu
[03:26] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: does firefox not have one?
[03:27] <n-iCe> ah ?
[03:27] <n-iCe> i'm going to reinstall linux
[03:28] <n-iCe> thankyou anyway
[03:29] <cycro> lol
[03:29] <cycro> linux ate 180gb of my data :(
[03:30] <n-iCe> i did it !!
[03:30] <n-iCe> :)
[03:30] <cycro> gg
[03:30] <pleia2> s|k: I used sage in firefox for a while, works nice
[03:30] <pleia2> s|k: http://sage.mozdev.org/
[03:31] <s|k> sage
[03:31] <s|k> thanks
[03:32] <n-iCe> thanks Eagle_101
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[03:42] <vidd> hi-all
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[03:42] <vidd> got a slight problem:
[03:43] <vidd> i tried to apt-get install an app without removing the cd from my sourses list
[03:43] <vidd> now my terminal ([ctrl] [alt] [f1] ) is locked....
[03:44] <Eagle_101> cycro: not that I know of
[03:44] <vidd> any way to break out of it so i can edit my sourses list?
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[03:44] <Eagle_101> oops
[03:44] <Eagle_101> vidd: :S
[03:44] <vidd> ...without rebooting?
[03:44] <Eagle_101> n-iCe: welcome
[03:44] <Eagle_101> vidd:  not that I know of (I'm very new to this)
[03:44] <cycro> lmao
[03:45] <cycro> mm
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[03:45] <cycro> is tehre a reason i cant boot off of a live cd anymore?
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[03:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> vidd: ctrl+c work?
[03:46] <vidd> cycro, is the cd damaged?
[03:46] <cycro> no
[03:46] <cycro> not at all
[03:46] <cycro> it just wont boot up
[03:46] <vidd> PuMpErNiCkLe, let me try
[03:46] <cycro> it loads grub
[03:46] <vidd> ty PuMpErNiCkLe  that did the trick
[03:47] <vidd> cycro, sounds like your system bios is set to boot hd then cd
[03:47] <vidd> edit your bios toi verify
[03:47] <cycro> no, i jsut checked
[03:48] <vidd> does the cd work on another system?
[03:48] <cycro> good idea
[03:48] <vidd> PuMpErNiCkLe, this was the first time i was trying to install new apts using CLI only....
[03:49] <vidd> i usually just use synaptic
[03:50] <n-iCe> Thank you guys , gracias !
[03:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> vidd: ctrl + c is just a generic cli 'break' key combination.
[03:50] <cycro> wtf
[03:50] <cycro> how do i burn an iso?
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[03:51] <vidd> but im new to the wonderful world of CLI
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[03:52] <cycro> i see
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's graveman, and for command line tools there's cdrecord.
[03:54] <vidd> alot of hard liner Xubanites (=] ) prefer ultra-light options, but i go with what i KNOW works
[03:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (cdrecord has been forked, and the equivalent tool in Feisty is called wodim.)
[03:54] <vidd> I just uninstyall gnomebaker after im done using it
[03:55] <cycro> loil
[03:55] <cycro> how bout xrecordf?
[03:55] <cycro> i mean
[03:55] <cycro> xfburn
[03:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Judging by the number of complaints I see about it, that's perhaps not the best tool available.
[03:56] <vidd> im sure it works...but i never had any luck with it....i just end up with a bunch of coasters
[03:56] <cycro> damnn
[03:58] <vidd> gat yourself a brand new coaster?
[03:58] <cycro> a couple
[03:58] <cycro> luckily they're rw
[03:59] <cycro> what is the freeburn option?
[03:59] <vidd> not sure
[03:59] <n-iCe> Rebooting brb
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[04:00] <cycro> im using gnomebaker now
[04:00] <cycro> much better
[04:00] <cycro> has auto detect for speed
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[04:00] <cycro> lol..
[04:00] <vidd> cuzz i never know what system is getting the cd next
[04:01] <cycro> i use 24 max
[04:01] <vidd> some older (like pre-98 systems) cant read cd's burned at faster then 4x
[04:01] <cycro> i dont have nay
[04:01] <cycro> lol
[04:01] <cycro> when i try to remove xfburn
[04:01] <cycro> using synaptic
[04:02] <cycro> it says i also need to remove xubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <vidd> and the el-super-cheapo disks i buy cant recoard faster then 4x
[04:02] <vidd> xubuntu-desktop is a "grabber" package....
[04:02] <vidd>  it dont DO anything ...just requires all the default apps
[04:03] <vidd> you remove a default app, you need to remove the dummy package as well
[04:03] <vidd> and xfburn is a default app
[04:03] <cycro> so is it bad if i do that?
[04:03] <vidd> not at all
[04:03] <cycro> oh
[04:04] <cycro> -_-
[04:04] <vidd> xubuntu-desktop is only useful on first install
[04:04] <cycro> really
[04:04] <vidd> if you read the discribtion in synaptic, it will tell you it is safe to uninstall
[04:05] <cycro> very well
[04:05] <cycro> my cd is done
[04:05] <cycro> i shall reboot and see wat happens..
[04:05] <cycro> hopefuly i can recover some data
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[04:11] <Eagle_101> ok, anyone have an idea on how to properly install twisted-python?
[04:11] <Eagle_101> http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/TwistedProject
[04:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info python-twisted
[04:12] <ubotu> python-twisted: Event-based framework for internet applications (transitional package). In component main, is extra. Version 2.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 60 kB
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[04:12] <Eagle_101> how did you do that!
[04:13] <Eagle_101> I tried twisted-python
[04:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Experience with slightly off packagenames.
[04:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I only searched for 'twisted'.
[04:17] <Eagle_101> ah :D
[04:17] <Eagle_101> how did you do the search?
[04:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Search function in Synaptic, but you can also do `apt-cache search twisted` for the same results.
[04:19] <soweto76> Eagle_101, check out: man apt-cache  .... search regex [ regex ... ] 
[04:19] <soweto76>           search performs a full text search on all available package lists
[04:19] <soweto76>           for the regex pattern given.
[04:20] <soweto76> well, perhaps that mess will give you a clue eh.
[04:24] <Eagle_101> soweto76:  ;)
[04:24] <Eagle_101> so I type man apt-cache search regex twisted
[04:24] <Eagle_101> and it will search?
[04:27] <soweto76> Eagle_101, not exactly but you're getting warm -- man apt-cache and do some research on regular expressions for fancy work -- apt-cache search foobar will be handy enough for most purposes.
[04:30] <Eagle_101> ah ok :D
[04:30] <Eagle_101> soweto76:  I know how to do regex :D
[04:31] <soweto76> comes in handy but I am out of practice myself
[04:31] <Eagle_101> \d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3} would be one to find an IP address :D
[04:33] <soweto76> nice!
[04:33] <soweto76> you're way ahead of me :)
[04:33] <Eagle_101> heh
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[04:34] <Prisoner_> good evening
[04:35] <Eagle_101> howdy
[04:36] <Prisoner_> anyone use a bittorrent client under Linux
[04:37] <R[gone] ndom> azureus
[04:37] <Prisoner_> is it GUI?
[04:37] <R[gone] ndom> yes
[04:37] <R[gone] ndom> !azureus
[04:37] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[04:38] <Prisoner_> I was using Utorrent under Windows and I thought it worked well
[04:38] <R[gone] ndom> then utorrent and wine
[04:38] <R[gone] ndom> !wine
[04:38] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:38] <Prisoner_> I know but I haven't tried it yet
[04:38] <s|k> what's a good ftp client for xubuntu?
[04:39] <Prisoner_> I'm fairly new to Linux, only been in it for a few weeks
[04:39] <Prisoner_> just got my Mozilla Thunderbird working under it
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[04:40] <Prisoner_> found instructions in the Ubuntu Forums on how to migrate Thunderbird from XP to Linux and it worked pretty well
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[04:44] <krash123> hi all
[04:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> hello
[04:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> can someone here please help me
[04:44] <krash123> !ask
[04:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> they are being real arses in #ubuntu
[04:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> I have an extra sata hard drive
[04:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> its ext3, and I want to automount it... but no one can tell me how
[04:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> just edit the fstab n00b its easy... my grandma can do it your stupid kinda banter
[04:47] <krash123> so, for dual booting with win, win goes first ?
[04:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> no windows on this machine
[04:47] <krash123> im asking for me , lol
[04:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> oh
[04:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> sry
[04:47] <Eagle_101> ok
[04:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> krash123: Installing win, then Linux, is by far the easiest way of doing it, yes.
[04:48] <Eagle_101> krash123: stick windows first
[04:48] <Eagle_101> thats how I did it
[04:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ubuntu_no_worky: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[04:48] <krash123> k
[04:48] <krash123> eagle, so, how would you partitionate a 80gb disk for win and xubuntu ..?
[04:49] <Prisoner_> just downloaded Azareus, thanks
[04:52] <ubuntu_no_worky> im in ubuntu right now
[04:52] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
[04:52] <Prisoner_> if you want to share files between XP and Xubuntu, set up a FAT32 partition in addition to the Linux partitions
[04:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Prisoner_: That's not such a big issue now, thanks to ntfs-3g.
[04:53] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:53] <Eagle_101> krash123: well I've got mine split 50/50
[04:53] <Eagle_101> about
[04:53] <ubuntu_no_worky> I heard its out of beta
[04:53] <ubuntu_no_worky> I hope feisty will include it
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[04:53] <Prisoner_> I've never tried that program, I thought it was still experimental
[04:53] <Eagle_101> I've set the partitions up so that I have a swap twice the size of my ram
[04:53] <Prisoner_> that is a good idea
[04:53] <crimsun> ubuntu_no_worky: it's already in universe.
[04:53] <crimsun> Candidate: 1:1.0-1
[04:53] <Eagle_101> and I made a /home/ partition
[04:54] <Eagle_101> along with a /
[04:54] <ubuntu_no_worky> I hope its enabled by default...
[04:54] <ubuntu_no_worky> yeah but the repos always have outdated versions
[04:54] <ubuntu_no_worky> i don't like betas
[04:54] <crimsun> ubuntu_no_worky: it won't be enabled by default AFAICS.
[04:55] <crimsun> ubuntu_no_worky: and it's already in; I approved the sync myself.
[04:55] <ubuntu_no_worky> sweet
[04:55] <ubuntu_no_worky> I hope they do a spin off
[04:55] <ubuntu_no_worky> for a kernel module
[04:55] <krash123> i think it should be like 20 gb for win and win apps.. then 10gb for xubuntu, maybe 512mb for swap ,then 2gb for /home, and the rest fat32 accesible by both OS , is that right ?
[04:55] <Prisoner_> and sometimes installing stuff not in the repositories can be a pain
[04:56] <Prisoner_> I have 512mb RAM, I did a 2gb swap just in case I upgrade
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[04:56] <tonyyarusso> I know about abiword and gnumeric - is there a smaller replacement for OOo Impress?
[04:57] <Prisoner_> btw, anyone tried XFCE 4.4?
[04:57] <Prisoner_> I think those two apps are OK, but I have OO as well
[04:57] <krash123> !swap
[04:57] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[04:57] <ubuntu_no_worky> crimsun? do you know a way to automount drives and mountpoints in edgy
[04:58] <ubuntu_no_worky> it didn't do it automatically when I reinstalled
[04:58] <krash123> maybe 1gb for swap
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> Also, what are the differences XFCE-wise between Dapper and Edgy?  I'm not very familiar with the Beta vs RC changelog there.
[04:58] <krash123> let's se the numbers if they're ok
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu_no_worky: pmount with hal presumably is involved
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> Does Xubuntu have the ability to have desktop icons?
[04:58] <crimsun> ubuntu_no_worky: anything I need statically automounted is in fstab(5)
[04:59] <ubuntu_no_worky> ugg I hate messing with config files because I always screw something up
[04:59] <Prisoner_> they need to fix XFburn so it'll burn from .iso files, and come out with a good DVD burning suite
[04:59] <ubuntu_no_worky> i like nerolinux
[05:00] <ubuntu_no_worky> even though its closed source
[05:00] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
[05:00] <krash123> it's 33gb with win xubuntu swap and /home.. but fat32 partitions can't be as big as 47gb right ? :S
[05:00] <Prisoner_> didn't know there was a Nero for Linux
[05:01] <Prisoner_> I had to convert this one video I had in Linux and burn it to DVD in Windows
[05:02] <Prisoner_> this program called DeVeDe helped me convert from MPEG4 PAL to DVD NTSC, then I burned it using Nero in XP
[05:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> ya
[05:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> nerolinux
[05:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> www.nero.com
[05:03] <Prisoner_> will Nerolinux work in Xubuntu?
[05:04] <ubuntu_no_worky> I think so... I use it on ubuntu but had to make my own launcher
[05:06] <krash123> can you make big fat32 partitions ?
[05:06] <krash123> like 35gb..
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[05:07] <Prisoner_> I've had trouble installing stuff not in the repositories
[05:07] <ubuntu_no_worky> does anyone here know how to automatically install sata drives without editing fstabs
[05:08] <Prisoner_> need to learn though
[05:09] <krash123> prisioner_, what problem did you have ?
[05:09] <Prisoner_> usually dependency issues
[05:09] <Prisoner_> tried to compile from a tarball and it bombed
[05:10] <Prisoner_> tried to install a .deb file and it didn't work either
[05:10] <ubuntu_no_worky> i didn't get any dependancy issues off the nerolinux deb
[05:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> just no default launcher
[05:11] <Prisoner_> may have to try it
[05:11] <krash123> .deb should work easy..
[05:11] <krash123> :S
[05:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> u can find serials
[05:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> if u know where to look
[05:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> *whistles*
[05:12] <vidd> Prisoner_, installing .debs SHOULD be rather easy.....
[05:12] <Prisoner_> when I installed OpenOffice 2.1 the first time using Alien, I had a real mess on my hands, had to uninstall everything OO and reinstall
[05:12] <Prisoner_> I tried to install the .deb file for TOR and it didn't work, not sure why
[05:12] <vidd> you download them to your desktop, then double click them and then click "install"
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> Can anyone recommend a slideshow/presentation tool that's lighter weight than OpenOffice.org's Impress?
[05:12] <krash123> in xubuntu is REALLY easy
[05:13] <krash123> if i could. anyone does lol
[05:13] <Prisoner_> I wonder if the problem I had with TOR was I didn't get the old version completely uninstalled
[05:13] <vidd> from the CLI, you cd to the directory the .deb is in and type "sudo dpkg -i nameoffile.deb"
[05:14] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: to create and/or to view?
[05:14] <ubuntu_no_worky> yeah
[05:14] <ubuntu_no_worky> its annoying
[05:14] <ubuntu_no_worky> I couldn't get tor to work
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: both, yeah.  I want a drop-in replacement for it, essentially.  OOo takes a really long time to load up
[05:14] <ubuntu_no_worky> remade a windows box
[05:14] <ubuntu_no_worky> for tor
[05:14] <vidd> what ius TOR?
[05:14] <krash123> !TOR
[05:14] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB
[05:15] <ubuntu_no_worky> anyone know where to get openoffice 2.1 debs
[05:15] <vidd> ...
[05:15] <krash123> what's tor ?
[05:15] <crimsun> ubuntu_no_worky: for feisty?
[05:15] <ubuntu_no_worky> edgy
[05:15] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky, google :)
[05:15] <Prisoner_> I'll keep that in mind vidd, thanks
[05:15] <ubuntu_no_worky> tor is like a proxy server
[05:15] <crimsun> no, but matthias made ones for feisty.
[05:15] <ubuntu_no_worky> except it uses encryption
[05:15] <vidd> ...
[05:15] <krash123> oh, so the defition was correct :P
[05:16] <krash123> !TOR
[05:16] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB
[05:16] <vidd> what does it do (or NOT do)?
[05:16] <ubuntu_no_worky> and jumbles around connections through multiple connections
[05:16] <ubuntu_no_worky> so no one knows who is doing what
[05:16] <ubuntu_no_worky> even the proxy servers themselves
[05:16] <ubuntu_no_worky> closes thing to REAL anonymity you can get
[05:16] <vidd> ah
[05:16] <crimsun> except there're lists of the proxy nodes.
[05:16] <vidd> cloak and dagger type stuff
[05:16] <crimsun> so it's actually quite far from anonymity.
[05:17] <ubuntu_no_worky> i tried google
[05:17] <ubuntu_no_worky> but i only found guides on stuff how to use alien on rpms too much for me
[05:17] <vidd> OOo doesnt have a .deb for its latest?
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[05:18] <Prisoner_> sometimes you just want to surf anonymously
[05:18] <crimsun> there are feisty debs (see above)
[05:18] <vidd> *wave* cellofellow
[05:18] <cellofellow> howdy
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[05:19] <ubuntu_no_worky> no
[05:19] <ubuntu_no_worky> only rpm
[05:19] <krash123> is it possible to connect to internet trough a win computer
[05:19] <krash123> ?
[05:20] <crimsun> using ICS? sure, if configured properly.
[05:20] <Prisoner_> there was a more recent version of .tor available in .deb, that didn't install
[05:20] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky, what did you want ill search for you.
[05:20] <ubuntu_no_worky> the latest open office
[05:20] <ubuntu_no_worky> ^_^
[05:20] <krash123> crimsun, ICS? sorry..
[05:20] <ubuntu_no_worky> thank u
[05:20] <ubuntu_no_worky> i couldn't find anything for edgy
[05:20] <cellofellow> krash123: it'd be better to set up a proper *nix gateway than use Windows ICS.
[05:20] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky, what's the last version ? lol
[05:21] <vidd> ICS= Internet Connectiion Sharing
[05:21] <krash123> so , my bro get his conexion trough the cable-modem , he runs win, i want to share files with him, and the conexion to..
[05:22] <vidd> it the quickest, easiest, fastest way to spread infections across your home network
[05:22] <cellofellow> krash123: most routers use linux these days. You could put together a router from old parts and use a gateway-specific distro or just debian to make a nice server/gateway/proxy machine.
[05:22] <cellofellow> get a router perhaps
[05:22] <krash123> no $$ lol
[05:22] <cellofellow> you need a NAT between you and the internet anyway.
[05:22] <cellofellow> use an old box and make one then
[05:22] <cellofellow> and a cheap switch
[05:22] <krash123> i got the switch..
[05:23] <cellofellow> put the gateway between the switch and the modem, and you'll be in bussiness
[05:23] <krash123> but its not comfortable to have 3 pcs running for 2 ppl :P
[05:23] <cellofellow> if the modem has a NAT built in, just use the switch.
[05:23] <vidd> the 3rd box needs no monitor, keyboasrd or mouse after setup
[05:24] <cellofellow> stick it in a cupboard and forget about it
[05:24] <vidd> AND you can connect a printer to it and use it as a printer server to boot!
[05:24] <cellofellow> you could also add apache and host your own website
[05:24] <krash123> :O
[05:25] <krash123> with 128kbps ?
[05:25] <cellofellow> I didn't know cable went that low
[05:25] <krash123> i have that )=
[05:25] <cellofellow> sure, though. I've got 256kbps.
[05:25] <vidd> sounds like DSL
[05:25] <krash123> but im about to change to 640kbps
[05:26] <cellofellow> most likely your website will have low traffic and it won't matter.
[05:26] <vidd> another use for the 3rd box: media server....app server....
[05:26] <cellofellow> file server
[05:26] <krash123> my brother says he read something about modems, and thinks that the speed restriction is in the modem,
[05:26] <cellofellow> I'd think it'd be the ISP.
[05:26] <vidd> who is your provider?
[05:26] <krash123> so you can "hack" the modem and have the max speed.. but..
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[05:27] <krash123> is multicanal, a cable company from Argentina
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[05:27] <vidd> oooooo fiber!
[05:27] <cellofellow> I can wait for that
[05:27] <vidd> *drool*
[05:27] <cellofellow> free physical fiber connection, big choice of ISP's.
[05:28] <cellofellow> yeah, woohoo
[05:28] <krash123> there's fiber here too, but its only in the Federal Cap. and its too exp lol
[05:29] <cellofellow> UTOPIA is some Utah government project. The telecom cables will be public like the freeways, and they'll be fast too.
[05:29] <vidd> dieticians and 'net freaks agree...you can never have too much fibre!!!!
[05:29] <cellofellow> rofl!!!!!!!!!!
[05:29] <cellofellow> well, right now I have dirt-cheap 256kbps DSL.
[05:30] <cellofellow> and christmas is a ways yet.
[05:30] <vidd> cellofellow, how much is "dirt" in Utah?
[05:30] <cellofellow> $15 a month
[05:30] <vidd> not bad
[05:30] <cellofellow> or $20, can't remember
=== cellofellow doesn't pay it
[05:31] <vidd> my company sells it for 29.95....
[05:31] <vidd> *the company i WORK for*] 
[05:31] <krash123> i pay like 35 $ a month, it'll be like 11.8 dollars lol
[05:31] <cellofellow> we had 256kbps wireless b4 we moved for $15. The wireless was nicer than the telephone.
[05:31] <vidd> they'd let ME have it for 14 a month
[05:32] <ubuntu_no_worky> anyone here know how to automount drives on edgy
[05:32] <cellofellow> add them to /etc/fstab
[05:32] <cellofellow> !fstab
[05:32] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:32] <krash123> yeah this chanel looks off-topic lol
[05:33] <vidd> i like the current icons in fiesty
[05:33] <ubuntu_no_worky> thanks cello but is there a way to automatically do it
[05:33] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
[05:33] <cellofellow> krash123: so, seriously, try a linux gateway/server. you can use just kernel-level iptables as a NAT or you can use Squid for a proxy.
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> Xubuntu can do desktop icons somehow, right?
[05:34] <krash123> what's nat?  :P
[05:34] <vidd> tonyyarusso, yes
[05:34] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: you add a line to fstab and it mounts that drive at boottime
[05:34] <krash123> *NAT
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> vidd: how?
[05:34] <vidd> ... i dont remember.....
[05:34] <ubuntu_no_worky> well is their a program for this
[05:34] <ubuntu_no_worky> instead of command line?
[05:34] <vidd> something about launchers
[05:34] <ubuntu_no_worky> I thought their used to be
[05:34] <ubuntu_no_worky> like a disk manager
[05:35] <ubuntu_no_worky> I could have sworn there was
[05:35] <cellofellow> Network Address Translation, sometimes called IP Masquerade. It's a kind of firewall. One computer has an outside IP, which it splits into many inside IPs. Subnets and stuff.
[05:35] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: that's in K/ubuntu
[05:35] <cellofellow> not xubuntu, sorry you make some sacrifices with the lightweight stuff.
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[05:36] <krash123> :O i saw IP Masquerade in win tcp/ip conf..
[05:36] <cellofellow> well, Linux does it so much better.
[05:36] <krash123> but,
[05:36] <krash123> i dont think i can make up a pc with parts .. :(
[05:37] <krash123> have only trash around here lol
[05:37] <cellofellow> I say use Debian, iptables, apache, webadmin, and a pc without a video card and two NIC's.
[05:37] <ubuntu_no_worky> how do I use it in ubuntu?
[05:37] <cellofellow> oh, and dnsmasq too
[05:37] <cellofellow> you should just read !fstab, it's not that hard.
[05:38] <krash123> without a videoo card ?
[05:38] <vidd> ya need a motherboard, hard drive and some network cards (2 i think)
[05:38] <cellofellow> command line required.
[05:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
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[05:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> but surely someone has written a program for noobs
[05:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> to do this
[05:38] <cellofellow> command line *not* required
[05:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> I can't find it on google
[05:38] <krash123> i think the micro is the problem.
[05:38] <cellofellow> there may be some graphical perl or python script available
[05:39] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: give me a minute
[05:39] <vidd> krash123, the micro?
[05:39] <krash123> micro.. processor :P
[05:40] <krash123> i dont know "technical" words in english )=
[05:40] <vidd> yeah...one of those WOULD help....=] 
[05:40] <krash123> lol
[05:40] <krash123> :O
[05:40] <vidd> your english is fine
[05:40] <krash123> maybe i have the solution :P
[05:40] <vidd> you write it better then me sometimes
[05:40] <vidd> =] 
[05:41] <krash123> for a 5 year study .. lol
[05:41] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: can you put your /etc/fstab file on paste.ubuntu-nl.org and tell us what the /dev node and fs type the drive is you're trying to mount?
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[05:41] <rmathews> alsamixer identifies my card as SiS S7018, but sound isn't working.  any idea how I can fix this?  I'm on XUbuntu Edgy.
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[05:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
[05:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> its k
[05:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> I will just do it in windows
[05:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> I'll use this drive in my other machine
[05:41] <krash123> i must give an exam this year, First Certificate :O
[05:41] <krash123> its too expensive )=
[05:41] <krash123> so if i fail.......
[05:41] <cellofellow> what sort of drive? internal IDE type drive? USB drives should show on the desktop.
[05:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> maybe feisty will fix this I hope
[05:42] <cellofellow> fix what?
[05:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> not autodetecting and mounting drives
[05:42] <vidd> ubuntu_no_worky, you are on Ubuntu...not Xubuntu...right?
[05:42] <krash123> yes :P
[05:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> yes
[05:42] <krash123> he said that in #ubuntu they didnt help him lol
=== cellofellow thinks ubuntu_no_worky has a rather pessimistic name.
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> haha
[05:43] <cellofellow> you have to have optimism, and patience, especially in #ubuntu
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> ive noticed
[05:43] <krash123> lol
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> ive been called every name in the book
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> you n00b
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> just edit your fstab
[05:43] <vidd> i guess ubuntu_is_making_me_angry was already taken?
[05:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> it as easy as quatum mechanics
[05:44] <krash123> lol
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> my grandma could do it
[05:44] <cellofellow> you want the GUI way, you'll have to ask in #ubuntu. I know nothing of GNOME.
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> your stupid n00b
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> LOL
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> the messages I think I will paste them
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> and mail them to mark
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> be like this is why linux is never gonna work
[05:44] <cellofellow> well, maybe you should ask a different way or just pluck up the courage and do it.
[05:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> for the masses
[05:44] <krash123> what's the lastest open office version ?
[05:44] <krash123> stable..
[05:45] <vidd> 2.1 i think
[05:45] <krash123> thanks
[05:45] <cellofellow> remember it's easier to say "edit this file" or "run this command" than "a menu, b button, c dialog box."
[05:45] <L234> How to update xfce 4.4?
[05:45] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: ^
[05:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> ?
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[05:45] <cellofellow> L234: install/upgrade too Feisty
[05:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> if there were a gui I don't think I woudl be asking for help though
[05:46] <cellofellow> actually, no
[05:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> I can get around gui's pretty well
[05:46] <cellofellow> it's much simpler to say "edit suchandsuch file" over IRC.
[05:46] <krash123> but feisty is stable  ?
[05:46] <cellofellow> no
[05:46] <krash123> "edit sandwich file" ?
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[05:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> well my point being... I wouldn't be on irc if I had a gui
[05:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehehe
[05:46] <vidd> then have you tried adding the "mount drive" taskbar ?
[05:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> *DING*
[05:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> woot
[05:47] <krash123> itll be like "eat sandwich file" :P
[05:47] <ubuntu_no_worky> how do i do that
=== cellofellow lets vidd take it from here
[05:47] <vidd> right click on the taskbar
[05:47] <vidd> choose "add"
[05:47] <vidd> "mount Device"
[05:48] <vidd> click "add"
[05:48] <vidd> smile
[05:48] <vidd> have a coke
[05:48] <ubuntu_no_worky> i tried
[05:48] <krash123> lol
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[05:48] <ubuntu_no_worky> but it only has options for a floppy
[05:48] <cycro> hello again
[05:48] <vidd> tell the ubuntu channel "thanks for the 'help'"
[05:48] <cellofellow> (see my point? takes vidd like five lines to tell you the GUI way. A text way is much quicker.)
[05:48] <krash123> if you dont smile at the end it doesnt work..
[05:49] <ubuntu_no_worky> I think that would upset them
[05:49] <vidd> lol cellofellow
[05:49] <vidd> exactly my point
[05:49] <vidd> does the mount drives thing show your drive?
[05:49] <cellofellow> UNIX USES FSTAB! BUCK AND THE COURAGE AND EDIT IT. Or I do believe that Ubuntu has a graphical utility for editing it.
[05:49] <ubuntu_no_worky> just floppy and floppy1
[05:50] <cellofellow> it's parsing fstab
[05:50] <vidd> :/
[05:50] <ubuntu_no_worky> shouldn't that automatically do it though
[05:50] <vidd> not automatically
[05:50] <cellofellow> HAL will automatically handle USB drives and other hotplug stuff. fstab is for permanent things.
[05:50] <cellofellow> permanent is NOT automatic, transient, like USB stuff, is.
[05:50] <vidd> its a front end for "mount" an umaount" [i think] 
[05:51] <cellofellow> looks like that to me, there's similar stuff for xfce.
[05:51] <ubuntu_no_worky> can i make hal do it
[05:51] <vidd> then write a hal script and add it to your autostarted apps
[05:51] <cellofellow> not without editing a dozen files. fstab will do it in one. besides, I'm sure there's a gui util in the System menu somewhere.
=== vidd would be happen to install gnome and reasearch the solution......
[05:52] <cellofellow> !paste
[05:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:52] <vidd> but this box would CHOKE to death on gnome
[05:52] <krash123> so, ANY pc should work as "router" like we talked before?
[05:52] <cellofellow> pastebin your fstab file and someone will edit it for you.
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[05:53] <vidd> krash123, yep
[05:53] <krash123> :D
[05:53] <cellofellow> krash123: needs at least two network connections, but yes.
[05:53] <cellofellow> (my router is a little router machine, but I still have a fancy-dancy server.) (fancy is a pentium with 32MB RAM.)
[05:54] <krash123> with motherboard, micro-processor, 2 network cards.. and ? monitor for the setting up nothing else ?
[05:54] <krash123> disk :P
[05:54] <cellofellow> you may want a monitor for the install, but not for use
[05:54] <cellofellow> s/may/will
[05:54] <vidd> need a hard drive
[05:54] <cellofellow> bigger the better
[05:54] <krash123> lol
[05:54] <cellofellow> my server has a measly 1.5GB, so I can't use it as a file server
[05:55] <krash123> cellofellow i put the monitor 
[05:55] <vidd> can it print for ya cellofellow ?
[05:55] <krash123> he's happy because his prints :P
[05:55] <cellofellow> yes, from linux. samba I still stuck on, so Windows can't print to it. at least, not win9x
[05:55] <krash123> dont it vidd ?
[05:56] <vidd> ??
[05:56] <krash123> if i do that, the router thing, i should install .. ?
[05:56] <krash123> what distro ?
[05:56] <cellofellow> use Debian net-install, and load onto it apache, webmin, ssh, dnsmasq, linux takes care of the NAT.
[05:56] <cellofellow> with net-install, you get everything you need and nothing you don't. All apt-based
[05:56] <krash123> so ill learn a lot if i do that :D
[05:57] <cellofellow> not as much as if you were to use slack or gentoo, but lots yes.
[05:57] <krash123> :)
[05:57] <krash123> i can try slack here then :)
[05:57] <cellofellow> you'll have to read up on iptables.
[05:58] <krash123> read on where ?
[05:58] <vidd> google is a wonderful resource....
[05:58] <krash123> shittttt ,its raining )=
[05:58] <cellofellow> iptables is the utility that configures the kernel firewall.
[05:58] <krash123> kernel firewall.. yeah, ill learn a lot :P
[05:58] <vidd> !language | krash123
[05:58] <ubotu> krash123: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:59] <cellofellow> it's used in startup scripts.
[05:59] <krash123> ouchhhhhhh, its raining )=
[05:59] <krash123> :D
[05:59] <vidd> MUCH better
[05:59] <vidd> yer english is MUCH better then you let on.....
[05:59] <vidd> =] 
[05:59] <cellofellow> I say use dnsmasq for the server cause it provides DHCP and DNS services.
[06:00] <cellofellow> DHCP for IP addresses, and DNS for name-addresses.
[06:00] <krash123> yeah i know that :P
[06:00] <krash123> till that point..
[06:00] <cellofellow> it's uber-easy to set up
[06:01] <vidd> so easy your mama can do it
[06:01] <cellofellow> all of two config files, /etc/hosts and /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[06:01] <vidd> ?
[06:01] <cellofellow> not MY momma
[06:01] <vidd> lol....mine either
[06:01] <vidd> she just got vista....
[06:02] <vidd> told her i will no longer provide her with free tech support
[06:02] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky still here ?
[06:02] <ubuntu_no_worky> ya
[06:02] <ubuntu_no_worky> searching forums and google
[06:02] <ubuntu_no_worky> still nada
[06:02] <krash123> lol
[06:02] <vidd> but i would be happy to slap linux on that shiny new lappy
[06:02] <krash123> nada is spanish 
[06:02] <ubuntu_no_worky> LOL
[06:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> si
[06:03] <cellofellow> what's LOL in spanish?
[06:03] <vidd> i thought it was an English slang expression....
[06:03] <krash123> vista's trash lol its the same as the old win , with a simple effect
[06:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> ive gotten the message get a refund message about 60 times now
[06:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> in the #ubuntu
[06:03] <vidd> ass in NADA dang thing
[06:03] <krash123> nada = nothing, in spanish
[06:03] <ubuntu_no_worky> the your a n00b about 10
[06:03] <krash123> lol , is not traduced, we dont make that type of "abreviations"
[06:04] <ubuntu_no_worky> and my grandma could edit fstabs in her sleep a few times too
[06:04] <cellofellow> I think you bumped into the crabby gang, if there is one, I don't hang around in #ubuntu
[06:04] <krash123> lol = lots of laughs ?
[06:04] <vidd> laugh out loud
[06:05] <cellofellow> that's en-internet
[06:05] <krash123> en-internet ?
[06:05] <vidd> English-internet
[06:05] <cellofellow> en-us is English, US.
[06:05] <krash123> oh :P
[06:06] <ubuntu_no_worky> <omegabeta> I ftabbed someone once my self.
[06:06] <ubuntu_no_worky> <omegabeta> then he echoed and went null
[06:06] <vidd> i speak en-moron
[06:06] <krash123> "en" means "in" in spanish
[06:06] <krash123> like "EN la caja" = "IN the box"
[06:06] <vidd> my favorite expression is:
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[06:07] <vidd> I speak two languasges....English and Moron-ese.....but my English is improving
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[06:08] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky, in open-office's main page you can download a .tar ... for 2.1.0 version..
[06:08] <vidd> ubuntu_no_worky, you know what your system sees your drive as?
[06:09] <krash123> i think it's cheaper buy a router than a micro processor for the motherboard i have -.-
[06:09] <ubuntu_no_worky> i know
[06:09] <ubuntu_no_worky> but its not a .deb
[06:09] <ubuntu_no_worky> so I dont mess with it
[06:09] <krash123> so ?
[06:10] <krash123> neh download it :P
[06:10] <vidd> krash123, then get you a router
[06:10] <ubuntu_no_worky> if i cant do fstab u think I can do a /make /instal?
[06:10] <ubuntu_no_worky> :b
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[06:10] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: depends
[06:10] <vidd> ubuntu_no_worky, i think you would be amazed how what you can do if you try it
[06:11] <krash123> vidd, i dont want to expend money on a conexion i wll use for a short time... i mean most time ill be playing CS in win :P
[06:11] <vidd> what is your system seeing your drive as?
[06:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> :c
[06:11] <vidd> CS?
[06:11] <krash123> vidd, linux is like a "hobbie" :P
[06:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> I just run 2.1 in wine
[06:11] <ubuntu_no_worky> it seems to run ok
[06:12] <ubuntu_no_worky> a lot less headache installing that way
[06:12] <ubuntu_no_worky> its ironic
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[06:12] <ubuntu_no_worky> I run most of my foss via wine
[06:12] <krash123> cuak
[06:12] <ubuntu_no_worky> because the repos are so outta date
[06:13] <krash123> vidd, how do you talk like that ?
[06:13] <krash123> 
[06:13] <ubuntu_no_worky> lol
[06:14] <krash123> lol its like "juaz" in Arg :P
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[06:15] <vidd> ....
[06:15] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: dapper or edgy?
=== vidd did [ctrl] [alt] [f1]  and X crashed!
[06:16] <cellofellow> not good
[06:16] <krash123> LOL
[06:16] <cellofellow> X should be on ctrl+alt+f7
[06:16] <krash123> i think that does not work in my pc :S
[06:16] <vidd> or will [ctrl] [alt] [esc]  restrart X?
[06:16] <cellofellow> f1-6 should be the virtual terminals, and f7+ the X sessions
[06:17] <vidd> ya...i know
[06:17] <krash123> ah xD
[06:17] <vidd> you can have more then one x session running?
[06:17] <krash123> ctrl alt F1 does work lol
[06:17] <krash123> what does not work is ctrl alt bacspace.. to "restart X"..
[06:18] <vidd> you are using the [alt]  on the right side of the keyboard?
[06:18] <krash123> left
[06:18] <vidd> hmmm....it SHOULD work
[06:18] <krash123> let's try..
[06:19] <vidd> cellofellow, does [ctrl] [alt] [esc]  restart X?
[06:19] <krash123> neh
[06:19] <cellofellow> vidd: no, it runs xkill, which kills clients. ctrl+alt+backspace restarts X, if you're in X.
[06:19] <krash123> does not work for me :S
[06:19] <cellofellow> restart X from console like this: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:20] <krash123> yeah i know
[06:20] <krash123> but its strange..
[06:20] <krash123> )=
[06:20] <vidd> what keyboard map you using?
[06:20] <krash123> ill have to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again after reinstall
[06:20] <krash123> i dont know
[06:20] <krash123> its genius
[06:21] <krash123> apt-get dist-upgrade delays like 3 hs 30 mins :@
[06:21] <vidd> you had to select the keyboard when installing....or did you do the auto-detect thing?
[06:21] <cellofellow> I wonder how well Linux supports dvorak keyboards. They're more ergonomic than qwerty keyboards. especially vi.
[06:21] <cycro> wat does this error mean?
[06:21] <cycro> W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
[06:22] <cellofellow> you need to set up the apt-key stuff
[06:22] <vidd> you need to add the key to your keyring
[06:22] <krash123> | sudo apt-key add -
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[06:22] <krash123> after de command for the pkg
[06:22] <krash123> cycro, what are you trying to install ?
[06:23] <cycro> wine
[06:23] <krash123> so ill help
[06:23] <krash123>  :P
[06:23] <krash123> cause i can :P
[06:23] <cycro> ty :P
[06:23] <cycro> cant i just search
[06:23] <krash123> its not hard lol
[06:24] <krash123> what have you done ?
[06:24] <cycro> um
[06:24] <cycro> doin wat u todl me
[06:24] <krash123> put this
[06:24] <krash123> wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[06:24] <krash123> copy paste
[06:24] <krash123> that
[06:24] <krash123> in one terminal
[06:24] <cycro> done
[06:25] <krash123> now
[06:25] <ubuntu_no_worky> ok
[06:25] <krash123> sudo apt-get update
[06:25] <cycro> yes
[06:25] <ubuntu_no_worky> I fixed it half way
[06:25] <ubuntu_no_worky> I had to make it fat32
[06:25] <krash123> now sudo apt-get install wine :D
[06:25] <krash123> :P
[06:25] <ubuntu_no_worky> and use a windows mount script
[06:25] <cycro> do u recommend using utorrent with wine>
[06:25] <cycro> ?
[06:25] <ubuntu_no_worky> anyone know how to check to see how much space a fat32 drive has
[06:25] <krash123> utorrent ?
[06:26] <cycro> yes
[06:26] <krash123> there are torrents for linux :P
[06:26] <cycro> yeah but utorrent is good
[06:26] <krash123> they're better than running wine with utorrent ..
[06:26] <cycro> mm
[06:26] <krash123> i think
[06:26] <cycro> well i was gona install azureues
[06:26] <cycro> i used it on windows
[06:26] <krash123> ask vidd..
[06:26] <cycro> right before i deleted everytin ..
[06:26] <krash123> !torrent
[06:26] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[06:26] <cycro> :(
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[06:27] <vidd> what is the command to see if a prograsm is in apt-cache?
[06:27] <ubuntu_no_worky> ubuntu_no_worky, go back to microsoft
[06:27] <ubuntu_no_worky> LOL
[06:27] <cycro> wtf
[06:27] <cycro> rofl
[06:27] <cellofellow> vidd: apt-cache search thepackage ?
[06:27] <cycro> wat does sudo apt-get clean do?
[06:27] <cellofellow> or dpkg -l | grep aterm?
[06:27] <krash123> dk
[06:28] <cellofellow> cycro: clears out the .deb files in /var/cache something
[06:28] <krash123> ubuntu_no_worky, be patient...
[06:28] <krash123> lol
[06:28] <ubuntu_no_worky> i fixed it
[06:28] <ubuntu_no_worky> almost
[06:28] <krash123> glxgears go slow :P
[06:28] <ubuntu_no_worky> I just wish I could see the drive
[06:28] <ubuntu_no_worky> in computer
[06:29] <vidd> well....night all
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[06:34] <cycro> mm
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[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> IT WORKS
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> IT WORKS
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> HHAHHAHAHA
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> IT WORKS
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> *dances*
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> its kinda silly I had to make it fat32
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> and use a script
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> but hey
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> it works
[06:38] <ubuntu_no_worky> ^_^
[06:39] <cellofellow> fat32 is nice if you want your files to be easily acessable from any OS.
[06:39] <cellofellow> You can easily hack Windows to read ext2/3
[06:39] <krash123> :O
[06:39] <ubuntu_no_worky> I really wanted it to be ext3
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> but the script wouldn't detect ext3
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> only windows partitions
[06:40] <cellofellow> you really, really don't want to edit fstab, do you?
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> yeah
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> I really dont
[06:40] <krash123> lol
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehe
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> anything with the command line
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> irks me
[06:40] <krash123> :|
[06:40] <cellofellow> it'd be so easy, and work with ext3 or xfs or fat32 in fstab
[06:40] <ubuntu_no_worky> it feels like going back to dos
[06:40] <krash123> its twice simple
[06:41] <cellofellow> who said anything about command line?
[06:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> and editing txt config files is the same
[06:41] <krash123> -.-
[06:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> I wantta gui
[06:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> ^_^
[06:41] <cellofellow> EVERTYTHING in UNIX is text configs.
[06:41] <krash123> yeah
[06:41] <ubuntu_no_worky> yeah but guis can be made to edit them
[06:41] <krash123> lol
[06:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehe
[06:42] <krash123> how can you make GUI's ?
[06:42] <krash123> by cli :P
[06:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> well pref someone else can use the cli to make guis
[06:42] <cellofellow> you could learn perl or python and make GUI programs to edit them for you.
[06:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> kinda defeats the purpose
[06:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehe
[06:42] <cellofellow> probably why there aren't more of those.
[06:42] <ubuntu_no_worky> is it possible
[06:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> to scandisk a fat32 part
[06:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> in ubuntu
[06:43] <krash123> first, ill learn cpp..
[06:43] <krash123> then maybe perl :P
[06:43] <ubuntu_no_worky> I think java will be my first language
[06:43] <cellofellow> dunno. I've tried defraging a fat32 fs from linux but doesn't seem possible.
[06:43] <krash123> java makes me remember cellphones, like trashy programs lol
[06:43] <cellofellow> First VB6, once upon a time, then C, that wasn't a good idea, now Python.
[06:44] <krash123> why not C?
[06:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> I think java is the way to go
[06:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> because you can actually use up to date programs written in java on linux
[06:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> assuming your JRE is not 10 years old
[06:44] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehe
[06:44] <cellofellow> well, /The C Programming Language/ is not a good book to learn programming from. C, yes, if you know how to program, but not to learn how to program.
[06:45] <krash123> 
[06:45] <cellofellow> Java is FOSS now.
[06:45] <krash123> !FOSS
[06:45] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[06:45] <cellofellow> Free and Open Source Software
[06:45] <krash123> :P
[06:45] <cellofellow> GPL or BSD stuff
[06:45] <ubuntu_no_worky> hehe
[06:45] <cycro> how do i install ubuntu ?
[06:45] <krash123> yeah i know those :P
[06:45] <cycro> parallel desktop
[06:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> is it bad
[06:46] <krash123> you mean gnome ?
[06:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> I run a seperate machine
[06:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> and connect to it via vlc
[06:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> to use it like a dualcore
[06:46] <cycro> yes
[06:46] <ubuntu_no_worky> LOL
[06:46] <cycro> gnome
[06:46] <krash123> -.-
[06:46] <krash123> wtf
[06:46] <cycro> how do i install gnome?
[06:46] <krash123> its ilogical to install gnome
[06:46] <krash123> -.-
[06:46] <cellofellow> install ubuntu-desktop
[06:46] <cycro> why is it illogical?
[06:46] <cellofellow> and kubuntu-desktop for kde if you want
[06:47] <cellofellow> KDE rocks GNOME, and XFCE rocks both.
[06:47] <cycro> really
[06:47] <krash123> Xubuntu is supposed to be light - weight... so it doesnt use gnome, cause gnome consumes *too* many resources..
[06:47] <cycro> and kde?
[06:47] <krash123> if you have the resources,, then install Ubuntu lol
[06:48] <krash123> kde is worst than gnome lol
[06:48] <cellofellow> KDE uses QT instead of GTK, and has its own libs
[06:48] <cycro> mm
[06:48] <krash123> KDE > gnome > Xface (talking about resources)
[06:48] <cycro> so i shud jsut stick to xface?
[06:48] <krash123> :D
[06:48] <krash123> why not ?
[06:48] <ubuntu_no_worky> what is your memory usage in xubuntu compared to ubuntu
[06:49] <cycro> i duno
[06:49] <krash123> why not sticking to xface ?
[06:49] <cycro> i liked ubuntu..
[06:49] <ubuntu_no_worky> I would go with xfce
[06:49] <krash123> so why did you change to Xubuntu ?
[06:49] <ubuntu_no_worky> but all the tutorials for noobs are written for ubuntu
[06:49] <cycro> i didnt
[06:49] <krash123> :S
[06:49] <cycro> i got xubuntu for my gf
[06:49] <cycro> and decided to install it as well
[06:50] <krash123> oh
[06:50] <cycro> yeah
[06:50] <krash123> well, actually Xface is great for me :D
[06:50] <cycro> lol
[06:50] <cycro> yeah it seems good
[06:50] <cycro> i duno jack about linux though
[06:50] <krash123> Xface aiglx and beryl =A
[06:51] <krash123> you get that sweet cube :P
[06:51] <cycro> how do u install beryl?
[06:51] <krash123> somebody told me that beryl didnt run under Xface... 
[06:51] <krash123> put this in the console.
[06:51] <krash123> glxinfo | grep renderin
[06:52] <krash123> tell me what you get ..
[06:52] <cellofellow> all desktop environments with a separate window manager, like gnome, kde, and xfce, and use Berly.
[06:52] <cellofellow> Beryl
[06:52] <cycro> oh i did it before
[06:52] <krash123> but someone told me that 
[06:52] <cycro> and it said ok
[06:52] <cycro> i installed beryl before, but on ubuntu
[06:53] <krash123> but now it said ok to ?
[06:53] <krash123> *too
[06:53] <cellofellow> you can use beryl instead of xfwm4
[06:53] <cellofellow> I like xfwm4 though.
[06:54] <cycro> yes it says ok
[06:54] <krash123> !xfwm4
[06:54] <ubotu> xfwm4: window manager of the Xfce project. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1svn+r23334-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1192 kB, installed size 7476 kB
[06:54] <cellofellow> I tried beryl, it didn't like me for some reason. Said it couldn't find xgl even though it was running. I gave up then.
[06:54] <krash123> then go to beryl's page and there are tuto's for every video cards..
[06:55] <cycro> so how do i install it
[06:55] <krash123> !beryl
[06:55] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:55] <cycro> mhm
[06:55] <krash123> cellofellow, you have an ati video card ?
[06:55] <ubuntu_no_worky> anyone found any debs for the new openoffice 2.1 for edgy
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[06:55] <cellofellow> nvidia-legacy
[06:55] <krash123> :O
[06:55] <krash123> i used the last nvidia..
[06:55] <cellofellow> ubuntu_no_worky: there are some in the Feisty repos.
[06:56] <cellofellow> krash123: it's a RIVA TNT2
[06:56] <krash123> i had a tnt2 before :D
[06:56] <cellofellow> !openoffice feisty
[06:56] <krash123> 64 mb right ?
[06:56] <cellofellow> I think
[06:56] <cycro> ok good night folks
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[06:56] <ubuntu_no_worky> will they work for edgy
[06:56] <cellofellow> the syntax for ubotu has changed recently
[06:56] <cellofellow> maybe
[06:56] <cellofellow> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <cellofellow> why do you NEED OOo 2.1? 2.0.4 works for me.
[06:57] <eclipse> hello. i resized linux partition and then installed xp on free space. is there a way i can fix grub from within windows?
[06:57] <krash123> when is supposed to release the feisty stable version??
[06:57] <cellofellow> best way is to run grub-install from the livecd
[06:57] <eclipse> thing is i lost cd and im out of blanks
[06:57] <cellofellow> april, it's called 7.04 for a reason.
[06:57] <cellofellow> :(
[06:58] <krash123> i didnt know it was called that way 
[06:58] <cellofellow> there may be a way to download a GRUB floppy image
[06:58] <eclipse> i dont have a floppy drive
[06:58] <krash123> -.-
[06:58] <eclipse> lol
[06:58] <cellofellow> you are so screwed
[06:58] <krash123> hehe
[06:58] <eclipse> i suppose i could use a blank dvd for livecd :(
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[06:58] <cellofellow> download the DVD version.
[06:58] <krash123> its just a dollar..
[06:59] <krash123> how much does a DVD cost there ?
[06:59] <eclipse> i dont know
[06:59] <krash123> balnk DVD..
[06:59] <eclipse> like 50 cents if i get a spindle
[06:59] <cellofellow> I have DVD version from Linux Magazine here. (I don't subscribe, but a friend does.)
[06:59] <cellofellow> dvd will work with a CD image.
[06:59] <eclipse> yea
[07:00] <cellofellow> eclipse: do you have NO floppy drive, or just no floppy drive in the disk? or is a lappy?
[07:00] <cellofellow> s/disk/box
[07:00] <cellofellow> you can always pilfer one from another box
[07:00] <eclipse> laptop
[07:00] <krash123> oh.
[07:00] <cellofellow> :/ drat
[07:01] <eclipse> theres no way i can like use windows boot loader?
[07:01] <cellofellow> *windows* boot loader
[07:01] <cellofellow> there may be a way to put grub in the MBR with Windows, but you'll have to google.
[07:02] <krash123> when i first tried linux, installed mandrake 10.1, and then win.. LILO worked fine and i could select wich OS i liked to run ..
[07:02] <cellofellow> it's best to install Windows THEN Linux, cause Windows installs its own bootloader in the mbr, wiping lilo or grub.
[07:02] <cellofellow> nighty night.
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[07:17] <hackerrusty> Can anybody help me with a Mac install/partition problem?
[07:19] <hackerrusty> Is this thing on? :)
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[07:24] <Eagle_101> :S
[07:24] <Eagle_101> oops
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[08:30] <rimmington> !xtightvncviewer
[08:30] <ubotu> xtightvncviewer: virtual network computing client software for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.9-19 (edgy), package size 59 kB, installed size 176 kB
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[09:02] <tictacaddict> could I check in a script whether sudo has timed out or not
[09:02] <tictacaddict> from the last time a password was entered
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[09:05] <crimsun> that's not a sound semantic approach
[09:06] <crimsun> instead, just assume that it has not timed out. Let libgksu/ sudo handle that on its own.
[09:06] <tictacaddict> weeell I was trying to handle it with just Xdialog and sudo
[09:07] <tictacaddict> it works fine if I do sudo -k first
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[09:13] <Mobadass> yo
[09:13] <Mobadass> ok BIG problem
[09:15] <Mobadass> i installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu and if i try to use any of the options in settings i get "Xfce Settings Manager error:
[09:15] <Mobadass> No such plugin "(nameofplugin)"" i upgraded to feisty herd 5 and SAME problem can anyone help?
[09:16] <Mobadass> otherwise i LOVE xfce!
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[09:49] <AlmaNegra> hola?
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[10:23] <hyper_ch> hiho, isn't there a mozilla suite anymore in feisty?
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[11:11] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
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[11:46] <assasukasse> i am trying herd5, i must say that the composite in xubuntu is GREAT, which videocard does it work with?
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[01:16] <robinlinth> Hey. Anyone have handy things for Xfce like a beagle applet? and stuff like that? things that make life easier?
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[01:26] <TheSheep> robinlinth: check out tracker, mpd, zim
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[01:30] <robinlinth> zim?
[01:31] <robinlinth> TheSheep, what's zim?
[01:31] <TheSheep> robinlinth: zim desktop wiki
[01:31] <TheSheep> robinlinth: something like tomboy but much lighter
[01:31] <robinlinth> ooh!
[01:31] <robinlinth> and tracker?
[01:32] <TheSheep> something like beagle but *much* lighter
[01:32] <robinlinth> i like it! have more?
[01:32] <TheSheep> hmm... backstep for iconifying icons
[01:32] <robinlinth> how to get Tracker on Ubuntu?
[01:32] <TheSheep> 3ddesk for beryl-like rotating desktops
[01:33] <TheSheep> robinlinth: it should bei n the repos in feisty
[01:33] <TheSheep> skippy for expose-like windows switching
[01:36] <robinlinth> TheSheep, I'm on Edgy. How to get tracker?
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[01:47] <TheSheep> robinlinth: http://www.gnome.org/~jamiemcc/tracker/DEB/Edgy/
[01:47] <TheSheep> robinlinth: http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/
[02:05] <robinlinth> When will the new Xfce be in Ubuntu?
[02:13] <TheSheep> robinlinth: it's there since several months
[02:13] <TheSheep> robinlinth: in Feisty
[02:22] <robinlinth> TheSheep, But i'm in Edgy and DON'T want feisty!
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[02:26] <TheSheep> robinlinth: well, edgy uses the older xfce. It's been build around it, tested with it, etc. You can install new xfce yourself if you want, but it won't be Edgy anymore. The new version of xubuntu is Feisty and it will be build around the new xfce and tested with it.
[02:26] <TheSheep> robinlinth: that's how it works
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[02:38] <robinlinth> hmm.. that kind of sucks
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[02:41] <kalikiana> robinlinth, just use the graphical installer and install xfce 4.4.0 to /usr/bin
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[04:08] <hyper_ch> hiho
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[04:12] <akao> hey guys, what's the equivalent to ctrlaltdel in xubuntu?
[04:14] <TheSheep> akao: equivalent of ctrlaltdel where?
[04:14] <TheSheep> akao: ubuntu displays the login screen right after boot, you don't need ctrlaltdel
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[04:15] <akao> well
[04:15] <akao> i guess the task manager
[04:15] <akao> xubuntu has been freezing up and i'd like to know how to kill the task that's causing it
[04:15] <akao> it's also possible that it's the operating system and not a particular program
[04:16] <TheSheep> open termnal, type 'ps x', then see the PID of the process you want to kill and type 'kill PID'
[04:16] <fxr>  hi i need to use ktorrent 2.1 for a tracker m on.. where do i get the update?
[04:16] <pleia2> akao: you can also open a terminal and type "top" - which will show you real time usage statistics on programs running
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[04:23] <robinlinth> Anyone know a good lightweight app for searching files on your computer?
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[04:36] <akao> the problem is that everything freezes up, mouse, keyboard.. no interaction
[04:37] <TheSheep> akao: sounds like either a graphics driver, a kernel or hardware problem
[04:38] <akao> ok
[04:38] <TheSheep> akao: when does it happen?
[04:38] <akao> yeah i was just wondering if there was any last ditch commands i could run
[04:38] <akao> it's sporadic, haven't noticed a particular task that i'm doing that causes it to freeze
[04:38] <TheSheep> check the logs in /var/log
[04:38] <akao> last time i was checking out themes for xfce in firefox and it froze
[04:39] <TheSheep> akao: linux doesn't normally crash randomly
[04:39] <akao> right
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[04:40] <akao> but i haven't noticed it occuring say when i open a program.. usually all i have open is firefox and i'm browsing
[04:41] <TheSheep> akao: there are some bugs related to firefox and various graphics drivers
[04:41] <TheSheep> akao: especially nvidia
[04:41] <akao> i'm using a trident video card.. it's a relatively old laptop.
[04:44] <TheSheep> akao: Toshiba?
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[04:45] <akao> yeah it's a portege 3500
[04:45] <TheSheep> I found Bug #13101
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13101 in xorg "Problems with Trident CyberBlade XP4m32 on Toshiba Tecra M1" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13101
[04:46] <TheSheep> not sure if it's related
[04:47] <akao> i'll check it out
[04:47] <akao> i mean the freezing isn't al that common
[04:47] <akao> maybe once every 4 or 5 hours of regular use
[04:47] <akao> it's probably firefox related like you said since that's all i've been using really
[04:48] <TheSheep> also this Bug #68814
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68814 in xorg "Edgy X vesa driver blank screen on Toshiba Portege R100" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68814
[04:49] <TheSheep> akao: if you experience any of these bugs (or something similar), it's good to leave a comment there, so that they at least know it's not a single user
[04:50] <akao> I'll do that, going to keep an eye out for the freezing to see if i can isolate it.
[04:53] <akao> thanks sheep
[04:53] <TheSheep> :)
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[05:06] <robinlinth> Now I need something like Windows Movie Maker. Anyone got?
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[05:10] <rmd_> xfce4 looks so much nicer with the panel off, a couple gdesklets, and the desktop icons showing only minimized application icons
[05:11] <robinlinth> rmd_, ooh, tell me how, tell me how!
[05:12] <robinlinth> i mean, how to make the desktop show minimized stuff
[05:12] <rmd_> ah
[05:13] <rmd_> hold on
[05:13] <rmd_> let me find it again
[05:13] <robinlinth> ok
[05:13] <rmd_> desktop settings
[05:14] <rmd_> at the bottom it says "Desktop Icons"
[05:14] <rmd_> click the dropdown and change it to "Minimized Applications"
[05:14] <rmd_> under the "Behavior" tab
[05:17] <robinlinth> hmm... that's nice
[05:17] <robinlinth> but i still have that panel
[05:17] <robinlinth> just remove the taskbar?
[05:18] <rmd_> to remove the panel you right click, chose "customize panel" and click the "-" once you have the right panel selected.
[05:18] <robinlinth> ok, now i have the desktop set to minimize icons and the panel very small at the right hand side of the screen. Shows a menu button, commandline, pager, systray, and a clock
[05:18] <TheSheep> rmd_: then it's not xfce that "looks", it's gdesklets...
[05:18] <robinlinth> thank you for the tip :)
[05:19] <robinlinth> and it's on autohide, too
[05:19] <rmd_> TheSheep, no, Xfce looks nicer without xfce-panel running, but the window manager working, the compositor on and Xfce is what is minimixing the applications to the desktop
[05:20] <TheSheep> rmd_: I use backstep, this way I can still have the device icons on the desktop
[05:20] <rmd_> so, yes, the gdesklets look nice, but the option to minimize to the desktop, use the compository to make decorations prettier, and
[05:20] <rmd_> ah.  i don't like having device icons on my desktop
[05:20] <rmd_> i dont even like launchers on my desktop
[05:21] <rmd_> i like the minimized applications there because it allows me to get rid of the panel completely
[05:21] <rmd_> ... i had no idea that ripping a dvd took an hour
[05:21] <TheSheep> rmd_: well, since there is no other way to access the devices than through desktop icons or panel in Thunar, and I do not tolarete panel in Thunar...
[05:21] <rmd_> TheSheep, you're not a thunar fan?
[05:22] <TheSheep> rmd_: oh, I *love* thunar, just not it's exploder-like side panel
[05:22] <TheSheep> s/it's/its
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[05:22] <rmd_> ah
[05:22] <TheSheep> if only the devices were listed in the 'go' menu
[05:23] <TheSheep> or in some panel applet
[05:23] <rmd_> hmm
[05:23] <TheSheep> and no, the "mount devices" applet doesn't solve this
[05:23] <rmd_> *wreowr*
[05:24] <rmd_> i figured you just wanted devices automagically added to a menu
[05:24] <robinlinth> tell me too!
[05:24] <rmd_> robinlinth, TheSheep is lamenting the fact that the option is not available, that we know of
[05:25] <TheSheep> rmd_: actually I'm interested in any way of accessing them other than desktop/sidebar icons
[05:25] <TheSheep> rmd_: a command line option for thunar would be enough
[05:25] <rmd_> i guess i dont get you, then.  cause you can just browse to /media
[05:25] <TheSheep> rmd_: but if I just run "Thunar /media/cdrom", it goes to the directory, but doesn't mount the device
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[05:26] <rmd_> yours doesn't automount?
[05:26] <TheSheep> rmd_: you can't mount it from there
[05:26] <TheSheep> rmd_: auto-anything is the root of all evil :)
[05:26] <rmd_> okay
[05:26] <rmd_> so
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[05:26] <rmd_> you dont want an automount
[05:26] <rmd_> and you dont want to "mount" in terminal
[05:26] <TheSheep> besides, I cannot automount floppy or unmount these devices
[05:26] <rmd_> and you dont want to right click the sidebar in thunar because you hate it...
[05:27] <TheSheep> no, I want it to work like with the desktop icons -- I select it and it is mounted
[05:27] <TheSheep> rmd_: I don't mind right-clicking, I'ts the sole presence of the side panel, taking up half of the window, that I hate :)
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[05:29] <rmd_> why the hell is dvd::rip transcoding my dvd a second time
[05:29] <rmd_> holy crap
[05:30] <ipfw> rmd_:  some do 2-3pass encoding for better quality
[05:30] <rmd_> ipfw, yeah, i just found the option for 2pass encoding
[05:30] <rmd_> i really didnt imagine ripping this dvd would take this long.  not sure why
[05:31] <ipfw> 2pass is worth it imho, but normally 3pass does little for it
[05:31] <ipfw> rmd_:  tried dvdshrink through wine ?
[05:31] <rmd_> nah.  this is the first dvd i've ever ripped
[05:32] <rmd_> worth the laggishness of wine?
[05:32] <ipfw> mrbass.org/dvdshrink
[05:33] <ipfw> to just rip a normal dvd title, its easy/fast and good qual ... you end up with a 4G iso default
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[05:34] <ipfw> for major encoding, down to 1G or less, you should probably stick with something like dvdrip or acidrip
[05:34] <rmd_> yeah
[05:34] <rmd_> id like to keep it smaller
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[05:45] <robinlinth>   I'm working with a workspace system like this: "Web - Chat - Download - Creative - Notes - Games - System", but the pager only shows squares. How can i make it show names or at least remember me which workspace it is?
[05:46] <rmd_> uhm
[05:47] <rmd_> have you right-clicked the pager and clicked on properties/configuration?
[05:48] <rmd_> i'm not entirely sure that the default xfce-panel pager plugin has that option
[05:49] <TheSheep> robinlinth: the naming of workspaces was removed because nobody used it ;)
[05:50] <rmd_> there ya go then
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[05:50] <rmd_> on the other hand, i remember that WindowMaker used to flash the workspace name whenever you changed...
[05:50] <rmd_> but this was... god.... over 4 years ago?
[05:51] <TheSheep> well, actually I lied, the workspaces can be named
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[05:51] <rmd_> but the whole flashing up thing
[05:51] <TheSheep> it's just not used anywhere
[05:51] <ipfw> windowMaker ... boy that brings back memories
[05:51] <robinlinth> Yeah, i named em, but i don't see the names
[05:51] <ipfw> TheSheep:  I like to name my workspaces
[05:52] <rmd_> i remember screenshots from back in the day... and the "impressive" windowmaker screens had like... dock entries 75% around the screen and crap lik ethat
[05:52] <TheSheep> Henry, Charlie, Bob, Richard... :P
[05:52] <ipfw> robinlinth:  in gnome (ubuntu-desktop) I can either see the windows in the pager, or the name of the workspace ... I like the kde pager, it can do both at the same time
[05:52] <robinlinth> ipfw, here, it won't.
[05:52] <TheSheep> ipfw: if you middle-click on the desktop, you can see the workspace names
[05:55] <robinlinth> Ok, my setup is as follows now: I have one panel on the bottom left, with the Xfce menu, a button listing all windows on all workspaces, a command line, systray, and a clock. Bottom right panel has only a pager. Minimized apps go to desktop.
[05:57] <robinlinth> All that with a mac look and a blue wallpaper ^^
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[05:59] <robinlinth> Now how to make the menu show small icons?
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[05:59] <rmd_> can you get a screenshot and upload it to imageshack or osmething?
[05:59] <robinlinth> ok
[06:00] <robinlinth> how to make screenshots in Xfce?
[06:02] <rmd_> robinlinth, you can use the gimp
[06:02] <rmd_> there's a command you could use on the command line, but i cant remember
[06:05] <ffxr> robinlinth theres a panel plugin ..
[06:05] <robinlinth> http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3007/screenshotxfceoz1.png
[06:05] <robinlinth> the screenshot.
[06:07] <ffxr> how'd you set the transparency for just that section.. i wanna do that with thunar,, but i canneigh work out how..
[06:07] <robinlinth> that's only with Xchat
[06:07] <rmd_> ffxr, that's xchat
[06:07] <ffxr> oh i see it has its own transparency feature?
[06:08] <robinlinth> Yep.
[06:09] <robinlinth> Guys - Terminal won't let me have transparency. It is black. Why
[06:10] <rmd_> its in the preferences section under appearance
[06:11] <robinlinth> yeah, but it's still black
[06:11] <robinlinth> i set it to be transparent
[06:12] <rmd_> did you change the transparency level?
[06:12] <robinlinth> Yes. Still no changes
[06:13] <robinlinth> ok now i changed it a little and get a REALLY weird background
[06:13] <rmd_> post another screenshot
[06:13] <rmd_> of the terminal screwing up
[06:14] <robinlinth> http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4476/screenshotweirdterminalfp2.png
[06:15] <robinlinth> Fixed it. xfdesktop wasn't running
[06:15] <rmd_> ah
[06:15] <rmd_> imageshack won't let me upload my .png :-(
[06:15] <robinlinth> weird.
[06:16] <robinlinth> take the screenie again
[06:16] <rmd_> there it went
[06:16] <rmd_> http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7413/screeniepx3.png
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[06:18] <robinlinth> That's ugly! i suggest you change the fonts
[06:19] <rmd_> i suggest you never tell a man his desktop setup is ugly
[06:19] <rmd_> aaaanyway
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[06:19] <robinlinth> :P
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[06:51] <Mobadass> hi
[06:51] <rmd_> hi
[06:52] <Mobadass> ive got a problem
[06:52] <Mobadass>  i installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu and if i try to use any of the options in settings i get "Xfce Settings Manager error: No such plugin "(nameofplugin)"" i upgraded to feisty herd 5 and SAME problem can anyone help?
[06:53] <rmd_> hmm
[06:54] <rmd_> how did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[06:54] <Mobadass> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <Mobadass> then i upgraded to feisty (with cd) to see if  it could fix it and it didnt
[06:56] <rmd_> well yeah
[06:56] <rmd_> but i can't think of *why* that would happen
[06:57] <Mobadass> ive tried reinstalling mcs-plugins but that didn't work
[06:58] <rmd_> give me a sec and i'll look at something
[06:59] <Mobadass> ok thanks
[07:00] <rmd_> okay
[07:00] <rmd_> open up synaptic and search for "xfce4" and look around at the xfce4-*-plugin packages
[07:01] <Mobadass> ok done
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[07:02] <rmd_> are they installed?
[07:02] <Mobadass> most of them
[07:02] <J-_> what's a good lightweight web browser (not text-based) that can be easily run on a 600 MHz computer running xubuntu?
[07:02] <rmd_> Mobadass, did you perhaps notice that the ones that are not installed are the ones you cannot use from the settings app?
[07:03] <TheSheep> J-_: there is an obvious lack of such applications, otherwise xubuntu would sport one by default
[07:03] <TheSheep> J-_: try dillo -- not text-based but no css support
[07:03] <Mobadass> no i cant run any of them
[07:03] <TheSheep> J-_: you can also try opera
[07:03] <J-_> k cool, thanks.
[07:04] <Mobadass> im gunna reinstall all plugins
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[07:06] <rmd_> Mobadass, that's about I can think of, too.  You're got a very strange problem indeed.
[07:06] <Mobadass> i know its really starting to piss me off
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[07:06] <rmd_> i imagine
[07:06] <Mobadass> oh did i mention im using 64 bit
[07:06] <rmd_> no, you didnt
[07:06] <Mobadass> could that be a problem?
[07:07] <rmd_> i don't know.  it might be worth asking in #ubuntu
[07:07] <Mobadass> ok
[07:07] <Mobadass> heh other than this xfce is awesome its sooo fast
[07:07] <rmd_> yeah
[07:08] <rmd_> i hope you get it figured out
[07:09] <Mobadass> i have another idea i could move my home folder to another partition and install xubuntu but that would be a last resort
[07:10] <Maximilian1st> Hi everyone.
[07:10] <Maximilian1st> I have a question, does everyone here have the options to enable/disable the home, trash, file system and removable media icons from the desktop in the desktop manager dialog window?
[07:11] <rmd_> Maximilian1st, it's under desktop settings in the behavior tab
[07:12] <Maximilian1st> Is this an Ubuntu setting? Or does the standard Xfce has this implemented?
[07:13] <rmd_> Maximilian1st, desktop icon settings are fairly common to desktop environment
[07:16] <Maximilian1st> Thank you rmd_ , this feature is a ubuntu hack, just had the answer on the Xfce channel.
[07:16] <rmd_> ah
[07:16] <rmd_> well
[07:16] <rmd_> there you go then
[07:17] <Maximilian1st> I was just wondering why it wasn't  described in xfdesktop's documentation.
[07:19] <rmd_> so
[07:19] <rmd_> okay, being as specific as you can
[07:19] <rmd_> would you tell me what exactly the ubuntu hack entails?
[07:22] <Maximilian1st> The possiblity to  enable/disable the home, trash, file system and removable media icons from the desktop in the desktop manager dialog window
[07:22] <Maximilian1st> Which is a hidden option in standard Xfce.
[07:22] <rmd_> ah
[07:22] <rmd_> got cha
[07:33] <Mobadass> bah reinstalling didn't work
[07:34] <rmd_> that is so damn wierd
[07:34] <rmd_> have you double checked their location?
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[07:42] <redebr2818> how to install xubuntu with disket??
[07:43] <redebr2818> booting with disket..
[07:43] <rmd_> redebr2818, you download the desktop cd and boot from that.  when it's all booted, you double click install.  done.
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[07:44] <redebr2818> rmd_ old pc.. my pc can't boot with cd
[07:44] <rob-west> y is the splash screen for xubuntu a mouse
[07:45] <rmd_> rob-west, small and fast
[07:45] <rob-west> why cant u change it
[07:45] <rmd_> redebr2818, look around on the web for alternatives, then
[07:45] <rmd_> more specifically, ubuntu.org
[07:45] <rmd_> rob-west, you can
[07:46] <redebr2818> ahn
[07:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sigh...
[07:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !install
[07:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> First link has alternative install methods.
[07:50] <Mobadass> what do you mean <rmd_> have you double checked their location?
[07:51] <rob-west> does xubuntu come on DVD
[07:51] <rob-west> or is that just Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[07:51] <Mobadass> Ubuntu CD Xubuntu CD Kubuntu DVD
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[07:52] <polytan> hi
[07:52] <polytan> when will xfce4.4 stable included into xubuntu ?
[07:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's been included for Feisty.
[07:52] <polytan> be included*
[07:52] <polytan> and not for edgy ?
[07:53] <TheSheep> polytan: once the release is released, the versions of programs in it don't change
[07:53] <polytan> ?
[07:53] <TheSheep> polytan: otherwise you'd have to do all the testing again
[07:54] <polytan> so there is no evolution in ubuntu
[07:54] <polytan> ?
[07:54] <TheSheep> polytan: there is, each new release has new versions of programs
[07:54] <TheSheep> polytan: every 6 months
[07:55] <polytan> yes but currently the is just a modified version of a beta one
[07:55] <polytan> and ther stable 's been released weeks ago
[07:55] <TheSheep> polytan: that's the newest that was available when edgy was released
[07:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Ubuntu doesn't do rolling releases.  Once it's hit version freeze, that's it for that release.
[07:56] <TheSheep> finished, ready, self-contained product
[07:57] <polytan> i used to use gentoo
[07:57] <polytan> so i'm really surprised
[07:58] <TheSheep> polytan: it has benefits -- you can write a specific howto for specific version and be sure that it will work
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[07:58] <TheSheep> polytan: or install the same version on a second computer and be sure it works the same
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[08:05] <J-_> wooo opera worked a lot faster than firefox, and epiphany =D although dillo was kinda weird.
[08:06] <J-_> Now I have my mom on xubuntu, no more windoze =D
[08:07] <Mobadass> cool
[08:07] <Mobadass> im trying to get my mom to switch
[08:07] <Mobadass> but first lol i need a cd to burn it on 100 DVD's but no CD's lol
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[08:08] <Mobadass> when feist's released ill make her switch
[08:08] <Mobadass> *feisty
[08:09] <J-_> Her machine went crazy, didn't boot up. so I took out the 64mb ram which was only read. and there was 320mb. 256mb was max for the machine. Hopefully the ram didn't screw it up.
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[08:09] <J-_> it works alright now, it's a 600MHz machine heh. hold as heck
[08:09] <Mobadass> lol
[08:09] <J-_> old*
[08:10] <J-_> I could install Enlightenment, but I haven't successfully had it configured on my system. So I don't know what I'm doing with it yet.
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[08:16] <tute666> Hey.  does anybody have a similar problem with xfce-desktop.  the memory footprint is around 300Mb, is this normal?
[08:21] <R[gone] ndom> tute666, probably yeah
[08:21] <R[gone] ndom> linux will use as much ram as possible until it gets low
[08:21] <R[gone] ndom> for caching data and such
[08:22] <TheSheep> R[gone] ndom: but that's not displayed as "used" memory
[08:22] <tute666> R[gone] ndom: the only problem is that it never frees memory.  2 days after the init of the xsession, its bloody unusable.
[08:22] <R[gone] ndom> TheSheep, depends how he was measuring it
[08:23] <R[gone] ndom> hm thats weird
[08:23] <tute666> 2 ways.  system monitor, pc sluggishness.
[08:23] <TheSheep> tute666: do you know which app takes all the memory?
[08:23] <tute666> yes.  im  xfce-desktop and xfce-menu.  around 250mb each
[08:23] <tute666> give or take
[08:23] <TheSheep> hmm.. which xubuntu?
[08:24] <tute666> 6.10
[08:24] <TheSheep> there was a leak in them, but it was plugged ages ago
[08:24] <TheSheep> dapper
[08:24] <TheSheep> ah, no, edgy
[08:24] <TheSheep> sorry
[08:24] <R[gone] ndom> yeah really
[08:24] <R[gone] ndom> heh
[08:25] <R[gone] ndom> random   28442  0.0  0.0   2800   752 pts/4    R+   14:27   0:00 grep xfce-desktop
[08:25] <tute666> anyways, im compiling from source, lets see if something changes.
[08:25] <R[gone] ndom> random   28465  0.0  0.0   2796   748 pts/4    R+   14:27   0:00 grep xfce-menu
[08:25] <R[gone] ndom> thats what ive got
[08:25] <TheSheep> Bug #87925
[08:25] <tute666> :S
[08:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87925 in xfdesktop4 "Xfce4.4 using too much memory; possible memory leaks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87925
[08:25] <R[gone] ndom> up 4 days
[08:26] <R[gone] ndom> lololol
[08:26] <tute666> ooh, i looked in the xfce bugzilla.  not in launchpad
[08:26] <R[gone] ndom> I pasted the grep
[08:26] <R[gone] ndom> I fail at life
[08:27] <TheSheep> tute666: it's fixed in xfce long time ago
[08:27] <tute666> xD
[08:27] <TheSheep> tute666: remember, xubuntu used beta xfce
[08:28] <R[gone] ndom> yeah weird
[08:28] <R[gone] ndom> why hasnt edgy been updated?
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[08:28] <R[a] ndom> version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[08:28] <R[a] ndom> but 4.4.0 is out
[08:28] <R[a] ndom> came out more than a month ago
[08:28] <tute666> TheSheep: happened with both versions
[08:28] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: unfortunately edgy came out more than 3 months ago
[08:28] <tute666> im running 4.40
[08:28] <tute666> 4.4.0
[08:28] <R[a] ndom> and they won't update it?
[08:28] <R[a] ndom> i thought that was the point of software updates..
[08:29] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: of course they will, Feisty uses 4.4.0
[08:29] <R[a] ndom> I meant in edgy
[08:29] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: no, these are only for security and critical bugfixes
[08:29] <R[a] ndom> huh
[08:29] <R[a] ndom> Ive never really paid attention before
[08:29] <TheSheep> it's the third time I'm explaining it
[08:29] <TheSheep> today
[08:29] <TheSheep> :)
[08:30] <R[a] ndom> probably cause it doesnt make a lot of sense
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[08:30] <cycro> hello
[08:30] <R[a] ndom> if there are problems with this ver, and the new one is better.
[08:30] <TheSheep> ubuntu is a finished product, once it's released, it's all set
[08:30] <cycro> quick questi
[08:30] <cycro> on
[08:30] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: you'd have to spend 2 months again to test it against all other apps in it
[08:30] <cycro> if i install windows xp on a separate partition, will it mess up grub loader?
[08:30] <TheSheep> cycro: yes
[08:30] <tute666> cycro: yes.
[08:31] <cycro> damit
[08:31] <R[a] ndom> easy to fix tho
[08:31] <cycro> so how would i fix it?
[08:31] <TheSheep> it can also change the partition order on you hdd
[08:31] <TheSheep> !grub
[08:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:31] <cycro> oh
[08:31] <cycro> gg
[08:32] <tute666> i haven't owned a floppy in around... 5 years
[08:32] <cycro> my pc doesnt have a floppy drive
[08:32] <R[a] ndom> yeah I just use the ubuntu live cd
[08:32] <R[a] ndom> chroot in and grub-install /dev/sda
[08:33] <cycro> can i use the xubuntu live cd?
[08:34] <R[a] ndom> yeah ubuntu=xubuntu
[08:34] <cycro> the super grub cd sounds good
[08:35] <cycro> easy sauce
[08:35] <cycro> oh wait
[08:35] <cycro> but if i reinstall grub
[08:35] <cycro> will it know that i ahve windows xp and linux?
[08:36] <TheSheep> cycro: yes, linux can detect windows and add an entry for it in grub
[08:37] <cycro> ok
[08:37] <TheSheep> wonder why even Vista can't do that ;)
[08:37] <R[a] ndom> as an aside I'm shocked vista still doesnt play nice with grub
[08:37] <R[a] ndom> haha
[08:37] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: it has even additional mechanisms to make it harder to boot
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[08:37] <R[a] ndom> yet they'
[08:37] <R[a] ndom> re pushin open source now
[08:37] <R[a] ndom> wow.. go typing
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[08:37] <TheSheep> bad open source, sit, sit!
[08:38] <R[a] ndom> indeed
[08:38] <Eagle_101> I have a messed up system clock from when I told xubuntu to suspend itself
[08:39] <Eagle_101> any idea on 1) what went wrong? and 2) how to fix it?
[08:39] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: try to just set it to correct value or sycnronise via ntp
[08:39] <cycro> Applications --> System --> Time and Date
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[08:40] <Eagle_101> ah ok thanks
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[08:40] <Eagle_101> any idea on what made it go a weird?
[08:40] <cycro> have u tried hibernate?
[08:41] <Eagle_101> yeah I did a suspend
[08:41] <cycro> how bout hibernate?
[08:41] <cycro> i tried it and it didnt work
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[08:41] <Eagle_101> I did not try hibernate
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[08:42] <RandomDestructn> hellz yeah
[08:42] <RandomDestructn> xfce 4.4.0 is nice
[08:42] <RandomDestructn> the terminal alone does it for me
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[08:43] <TheSheep> RandomDestructn: don't get a sugar rush from eye candy ;)
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> I've played with veryl
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> I'll be fine
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> beryl
[08:43] <cycro> beryl is meh
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> but beryl makes my wallpaper go away, or if it stays, then it swaps screens when I click on it
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> then it crashes
[08:43] <RandomDestructn> and goes a 14fps if I rotate the cube
[08:43] <TheSheep> well, beryl didn't have non-transparent letters on transparent background :)
[08:44] <RandomDestructn> true
[08:44] <RandomDestructn> tho my xchat looks like that, as long as you dont care that its faking it :)
[08:47] <TheSheep> transparency -- that's what we've been missing since ENIAC
[08:47] <TheSheep> ;)
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[08:50] <cycro> wat do i need to install to get this command working: fakeroot make-jpkg
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[08:54] <cycro> ?
[08:54] <cycro> any1
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[08:55] <TheSheep> !find make-jpkg
[08:55] <ubotu> File make-jpkg found in java-package
[08:55] <TheSheep> cycro: here you go
[08:56] <TheSheep> !find fakeroot
[08:56] <ubotu> Found: fakeroot
[08:57] <cycro> i have that
[08:57] <cycro> and i installed make
[08:57] <cycro> and some jpkg thing
[08:57] <RandomDestructn> wow.. new xfce seems very slow to change desktops
[08:58] <cycro> /usr/bin/fakeroot: 152: make-jpkg: not found
[08:58] <TheSheep> RandomDestructn: only if you have composite enabled and no hardware acceleration
[08:58] <RandomDestructn> I have composite enabled and hardware acceleration
[08:58] <TheSheep> cycro: install java-package
[08:58] <cycro> how?
[08:59] <RandomDestructn> direct rendering: Yes
[08:59] <cycro> ok got it
[08:59] <TheSheep> go to system->synaptic, hit find, type 'java-package', and select it for installation, then hit Apply
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[09:01] <cycro> yay its working
[09:02] <cycro> did anybody get hibernate to work succesfuly?
[09:03] <TheSheep> cycro: it highly depends on the hardware
[09:03] <cycro> really?
[09:03] <cycro> hows that?
[09:03] <TheSheep> no idea, don't know the internals
[09:03] <cycro> mm
[09:04] <cycro> i thought it would if you click on it
[09:04] <cycro> seems not
[09:04] <TheSheep> it works with some motherboards and graphics cards, and won't work with others
[09:05] <TheSheep> sometimes the sound card will stop working after waking
[09:05] <TheSheep> all kind of strange things
[09:07] <cycro> wow
[09:08] <emdash> i'm running feisty fawn in a chroot, and i'd like to see my automounted volumes in /media
[09:09] <emdash> but when i add a /media mount point in fstab, drives i mount with thunar don't show up in the chroot
[09:09] <TheSheep> emdash: that's because this is handled by kernel, andy ou cannot chroot kernel
[09:10] <emdash> i tried using a symlink also, but that didn't work (i guess for obvious reasons)
[09:10] <emdash> infinite recursion
[09:10] <TheSheep> yeah
[09:10] <emdash> is there an easy solution to this problem?
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[09:11] <TheSheep> you could try and mount the /dev and /proc inside the chroot
[09:11] <emdash> oh, they are
[09:11] <Maximilian1st> Hi devs.
[09:11] <TheSheep> emdash: I think that Thunar uses HAL to automount volumes
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> I just translated some small spellng errors in the xfdesktop French translation and would like to know who I should send the po file to. I downloaded the po file from launchpad.
[09:12] <emdash> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8664/
[09:12] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: can't you just put it there in launchpad?
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> It says I don't have the rights to upload on that site...
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[09:13] <emdash> TheSheep: ^^ part of /etc/fstab
[09:13] <Maximilian1st> I clicked on upkoad file, just above the Download link.
[09:13] <Maximilian1st> upload
[09:14] <cycro> !frostwire
[09:14] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:14] <cycro> sw00t
[09:14] <cycro> <3
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[09:19] <cycro> guys
[09:19] <cycro> wats the best media player?
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> mplayer
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> ymmv
[09:19] <cycro> does it come with xubuntu?
[09:19] <cycro> is there an all in one?
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> yeah, but not all the codecs
[09:19] <cycro> mm
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> !multimedia
[09:19] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> !botsnack
[09:20] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:20] <cycro> i have gxine
[09:20] <grazie> vlc is closest to all in one
[09:20] <cycro> yess vlc
[09:20] <cycro> vlc rox
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> how is mplayer not all in one?  only downside (maybe) is that its command line
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> tho I prefer that :P
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> and amarok for music
[09:20] <cycro> its command line?
[09:20] <cycro> oh my
[09:22] <cycro> gxine wont even play mp3 files..
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> !mp3
[09:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> cause ubuntu wont by default install
[09:23] <cycro> i used to use vlc
[09:23] <cycro> so ill stick to taht
[09:23] <tute666> there should be a giant warning label right after installation saying:  if you want mp3: do this.
[09:24] <cycro> how do i make vlc default program to load things with?
[09:25] <Qew> gmplayer gives you a graphical frontend to mplayer, if that rocks your boat
[09:26] <cycro> does gmplayer come with mp3 support by default
[09:26] <Qew> gmplayer is just the frontend to mplayer
[09:27] <cycro> i cant even dl it
[09:27] <cycro> does vlc use gstreamer?
[09:28] <grazie> !vlc
[09:28] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:28] <cycro> !codecs
[09:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <cycro> mm
[09:28] <grazie> cycro: vlc use its own codecs
[09:28] <cycro> oh
[09:29] <grazie> cycro: just need to install libdvdcss to play encrypted dvds
[09:29] <cycro> well i installed vlc and its playing my mp3 files, but i cant hear anything
[09:29] <cycro> and how do i install libcdcss?
[09:30] <grazie> !libdvdcss
[09:30] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
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[09:30] <tute666> sudo apt-get isntall libcdcss
[09:30] <grazie> :)
[09:30] <K3nto> are there major interface differenced between ubuntu and xubuntu?
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[09:31] <K3nto> my dad saw how cool i was with ubuntu (;)) and he wanted it on his older laptop, so i was wondering if it varies at all from installing ubuntu
[09:32] <grazie> K3nto: mosty xfce as oppose to kde, xfce is much lighter
[09:32] <Koji-Murasame> Install should be pretty straight forward.
[09:32] <K3nto> ok great ty
[09:33] <cycro> i recently installed xubuntu
[09:33] <cycro> read the fine print or else ull wipe ur hard drive
[09:34] <Koji-Murasame> It's not really fine print when it says "erase whole disk". . .
[09:34] <cycro> quiet
[09:34] <tute666> xD
[09:34] <cycro> it was in italics
[09:34] <Qew> surely if you're going to install an OS, you'll at least give the fine print a read first? Anyway, saying that, Xubuntu isn't that hard to install and you won't wipe your drive unless you're a bit thick.
[09:35] <cycro> hey.
[09:35] <Koji-Murasame> lol
[09:35] <cycro> thanks man
[09:35] <Qew> np
[09:35] <tute666> xD lol
[09:35] <cycro> -_-
[09:35] <cycro> but its true
[09:35] <cycro> i had partitioning problems
[09:35] <cycro> hopefuly u wont
[09:35] <cycro> now how do i  get mp3s working?
[09:36] <Koji-Murasame> What app are you using?
[09:36] <cycro> vlc
[09:36] <cycro> its playing, but no sound is comin out
[09:36] <Koji-Murasame> should work straight away. . . sounds like a hardware issue.
[09:36] <Qew> do other audio files work?
[09:36] <grazie> cycro: you checked the mixer?
[09:37] <cycro> what mixer
[09:37] <cycro> wheres the little audio icon
[09:37] <cycro> that i can click on, and adjust audio levels
[09:38] <cycro> ok nvm, now it works ?_?
[09:39] <grazie> cycro: did you add the volume control plugin  to the panel?
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[09:40] <cycro> now i did
[09:40] <cycro> thx
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[09:40] <K3nto> im supposed to wipe the drive anyway
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[09:49] <cycro> does anybody know how i can make vlc so that whenever i open a new music file, it doesnt open another vlc window?
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[09:52] <Eagle_101> !vlc
[09:52] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:52] <grazie> cycro: if you right click on your media file you can associate it with vlc or whatever else you want
[09:52] <cycro> yeah
[09:52] <cycro> i did that
[09:53] <cycro> thats fine
[09:53] <cycro> but now
[09:53] <cycro> lets say im playin a music file
[09:53] <cycro> in the vlc window
[09:53] <cycro> if i wana open another file, it will make a new vlc window
[09:53] <tute666> vlc sucks.
[09:53] <cycro> -_-
[09:53] <tute666> :D
[09:53] <cycro> lies
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[09:53] <Koji-Murasame> I like vlc. . .
=== tute666 bleeds all over cycro 
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[09:54] <cycro> wicked
=== cycro uses vlc to mop the blood up
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[09:54] <tute666> LOL
[09:54] <cycro> useless-_-
[09:54] <Koji-Murasame> dead bodies are recyclable?
[09:56] <tute666> totally
[09:56] <tute666> soylent green
[09:56] <Koji-Murasame> Yuck.
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[09:57] <cycro> u can decompose dead bodies and use them as fertilizer
[09:58] <cycro> makes your grass a darker shade of green
[09:58] <cycro> and certain plants grow better
[10:01] <tute666> cycro: your knowledge is disturbing.
[10:01] <cycro> sorry
[10:01] <cycro> no implications or anything
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[10:04] <tute666> cycro "recycles" policemen to feed his pot plants.
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[10:04] <Koji-Murasame> o.o
[10:04] <cycro> shhh
[10:07] <cycro> ok another question
[10:08] <cycro> how do i make the little button on the side of my mouse to go back?
[10:08] <Koji-Murasame> there were a couple howtos I saw about that, but I haven't gotten any to work. . .
[10:09] <Koji-Murasame> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Mice
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[10:11] <Eagle_101> hey thanks Koji-Murasame
[10:12] <Koji-Murasame> welcome welcome.
[10:13] <cycro> mm
[10:13] <cycro> it works for like 6 mice-_-
[10:14] <Eagle_101> special mice :D
[10:14] <cycro> oie
[10:14] <cycro> weak sauce
[10:15] <cycro> can anybody mail me a windows xp instalation cd?
[10:15] <Eagle_101> why would you want that!!!
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[10:15] <cycro> because
[10:15] <cycro> i deleted all my data installing linux
[10:16] <cycro> so i need to install windows, and attempt to recover
[10:16] <Koji-Murasame> . . . Your compy did't come with a cd?
[10:16] <Koji-Murasame> *didn't
[10:16] <pleia2> cycro: you're in the wrong channel to be looking for people to pirate Windows.
[10:16] <cycro> lol
[10:16] <cycro> how ironic, eh?
[10:17] <cycro> asking xubuntuers for windows xp
[10:17] <Koji-Murasame> Perhaps you should talk to the manufacturer. Seems like any decent one would send you a cd.
[10:17] <cycro> mm
[10:18] <tute666> OR you could just download it
[10:20] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:20] <Eagle_101> howdy
[10:20] <hyper_ch> what's up?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> problems with windows?
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[10:21] <Eagle_101> :D
[10:21] <cycro> mm
[10:21] <cycro> how do i eject a cd if its busy?
[10:22] <tute666> hit the drive
[10:22] <tute666> lever it with a screwdriver
[10:22] <cycro> kk brb
[10:23] <hyper_ch> cycro: hmmm, why do you want to eject it if it's busy?
[10:23] <cycro> the screwdriver isnt working
[10:23] <cycro> ..
[10:23] <cycro> and i dont know why its busy
[10:23] <cycro> i just want it out
[10:23] <cycro> nothing is using it
[10:23] <hyper_ch> well, you could turn off your computer
[10:23] <Eagle_101> that always works :D
[10:23] <cycro> pht
[10:23] <hyper_ch> or at least exit x
[10:24] <hyper_ch> maybe that helps already
[10:24] <Eagle_101> I wonder if you have a proccess using it....
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[10:24] <Eagle_101> try pkill on some stuff
[10:24] <cycro> pkill?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[10:24] <Eagle_101> process kill
[10:24] <Eagle_101> like
[10:24] <Eagle_101> if you are running vim
[10:24] <Eagle_101> and you want it to die
[10:24] <Eagle_101> pkill vim
[10:25] <Eagle_101> in the terminal
[10:25] <cycro> oh
[10:25] <cycro> how bout ctrl + alt + esc?
[10:25] <Eagle_101> cycro, dunno about that, I just like terminals :P
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[10:25] <cycro> lol
[10:26] <hyper_ch> the terminal is great :)
[10:26] <Jester45> How do you mount a fat32 partition?
[10:26] <hyper_ch> it's something with vfat...
[10:26] <hyper_ch> but don't remember exactly
[10:26] <Eagle_101> should mount
[10:27] <tute666> it should detect the fs automatically
[10:27] <Jester45> no it doesnt i
[10:27] <hyper_ch> fstab -->  UUID=5048-F919  /media/hdb6     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[10:27] <Jester45> its a harddrive not usb
[10:27] <hyper_ch> just set proper UUID
[10:27] <hyper_ch> or use /dev/hdxy
[10:28] <hyper_ch> btw, anyone uses feisty=?
[10:29] <Jester45> yes
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Jester45: using konversation?
[10:29] <Jester45> no
[10:29] <Jester45> im not a kde right now
[10:29] <hyper_ch> neither am I :)
[10:30] <hyper_ch> but I run lots of kde appz :)
[10:30] <hyper_ch> the thing is konversation just keeps blinking if there is any new message... and this is kind of annoying :( it didn't behave like that in edgy
[10:31] <Jester45> is there a way to mount it without fstab
[10:31] <hyper_ch> sure there is
[10:32] <tute666> Jester45: mount /dev/hdb6 /media/<whatever>
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[10:36] <hyper_ch> Seveas: is there a problem if I use your codecs from the ubuntulinux.nl repo (edgy) on feisty=
[10:37] <Seveas> no
[10:37] <hyper_ch> Seveas: well, I use them already but wasn't sure if it's a good idea :)
[10:38] <cycro> how do i install beryl on xubuntu?
[10:39] <hyper_ch> cycro: www.beryl-project.org --> in the wiki there's a howto
[10:39] <hyper_ch> !beryl | cycro
[10:39] <ubotu> cycro: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:39] <cycro> do i follow ubuntu instructions/
[10:39] <hyper_ch> basically yes
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[10:40] <cycro> alright cool
[10:42] <Eagle_101> !kate
[10:42] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:42] <cycro> brb food
[10:44] <hyper_ch> what about kate?
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[10:45] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, just checking what it was :P
[10:45] <hyper_ch> I like Kate quite a bit :)
[10:46] <Eagle_101> ah, is it any better then mousepad?
[10:46] <Jester45> no
[10:46] <Jester45> at least for mr
[10:46] <Jester45> me
[10:46] <hyper_ch> it has code folding
[10:46] <hyper_ch> it integrates nicely with konqueror for remote editing through ssh...
[10:47] <hyper_ch> code highlighting
[10:47] <hyper_ch> syntax highlighting I mean :)
[10:47] <hyper_ch> regex
[10:47] <Jester45> hyper_ch: use scite
[10:47] <hyper_ch> and able to use sessions :)
[10:47] <Eagle_101> ok :D
[10:47] <hyper_ch> that's all I need and kate does it nicely :)
[10:47] <Jester45> when i try mounting with mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows vfat it doesnt work
[10:47] <Eagle_101> scite I've got to apt-get that thing and try it out :P
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[10:47] <hyper_ch> Jester45: try:   mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -t vfat
[10:48] <hyper_ch> and I assume you created the dir /mnt/windows ?
[10:48] <Jester45> yes
[10:48] <Jester45> i think that worked
[10:48] <Jester45> it didnt give an error
[10:48] <Jester45> it worked
[10:49] <Jester45> thanks
[10:49] <hyper_ch> you're welcome
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[10:54] <Eagle_101> ok is there a decent application that will burn an ISO image?
[10:55] <Eagle_101> !iso
[10:55] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[10:55] <Eagle_101> !burn
[10:55] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:56] <Jester45> i use k3b
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[10:57] <Eagle_101> well I want to burn an iso image of gentoo
[10:57] <Eagle_101> :P
[10:57] <pleia2> Eagle_101: I just use cdrecord on the command line: cdrecord thing.iso
[10:57] <Eagle_101> yey terminals win
=== Eagle_101 apt-gets cdrecord
[10:58] <hyper_ch> I normally use k3b :)
[10:58] <pleia2> k3b is nice for more advanced stuff, but loading up an entire gui just to burn an iso seems silly to me :)
[10:58] <Eagle_101> mmm I've already got it :D
[10:59] <Eagle_101> pleia2, same here :P
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[10:59] <hyper_ch> pleia2: if one doesn't know the command :)
[10:59] <pleia2> hyper_ch: that's why I'm here! ;)
[11:00] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, thats what "man <application name> is for :P
[11:00] <hyper_ch> pleia2: I know how to make an iso from a cd from command line... but didn't use the other way around yet :)
[11:00] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: first you will ahve to konw "application name" before you can do "man application name"
[11:00] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, so true ;)
[11:00] <Eagle_101> hehe
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[11:04] <cycro> omg my dad is so cool
[11:05] <cycro> we were eating dinner
[11:05] <cycro> and hes like "Remember that obnoxious chinese guy that we met at the computer store the other day?"
[11:06] <cycro> and i said "Yeah, wat a jerk"
[11:06] <cycro> and, well
[11:06] <cycro> to make a long story short
[11:06] <cycro> my dad uses him as fertilizer now
[11:06] <cycro> little jerk got what he deserved
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[11:07] <cycro> hi tut
[11:07] <cycro> e
[11:07] <pleia2> cycro: might want to move this to -offtopic :)
[11:07] <cycro> oh
[11:08] <tute666> hey. installed xfce from scratch.  memory usage is way down
[11:08] <cycro> nice
[11:10] <Eagle_101> ok, a decent bittorrent program?
[11:10] <Eagle_101> !bittorrent
[11:10] <ubotu> bittorrent: Scatter-gather network file transfer. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-6ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 90 kB, installed size 556 kB
[11:10] <tute666> azureus? :S
[11:11] <Eagle_101> just download that :P
[11:11] <tute666> !azureus
[11:11] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[11:11] <Eagle_101> java :S
[11:11] <hyper_ch> I like ktorrent... but then I like many kde appz :)
[11:12] <Eagle_101> !ktorrent
[11:12] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[11:12] <Jester45> i use azureus
[11:12] <Eagle_101> ok I just want to grab one file
[11:12] <Eagle_101> do we have a command line app?
[11:12] <tute666> Eagle_101: rtorrent
[11:12] <Jester45> i dont like torrent because many of my trackers throttle the speed
[11:12] <Jester45> dont like ktorrent*
[11:13] <Eagle_101> thanks guys
[11:13] <Eagle_101> !rtorrent
[11:13] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[11:13] <Jester45> rtorrent or ctorrent
[11:13] <Qew> bittornado or even the humble bittorrent can be used on the CLI
[11:13] <Jester45> !ctorrent
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ctorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <Jester45> o well
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[11:14] <Eagle_101> all I want is a simple app that I can say, go fetch this and put it here >.<
[11:14] <Eagle_101> lol
[11:14] <hyper_ch> wget?
[11:14] <hyper_ch> ^^
[11:14] <Eagle_101> wget is a bittorrent?
[11:14] <Eagle_101> ^-^
[11:14] <hyper_ch> no...
[11:14] <hyper_ch> but it's a simple that where you can say go fetch this and put it here
[11:14] <Eagle_101> hehe
[11:15] <Qew> then use bittorrent or bittornado... both can be run on the CLI
[11:15] <Eagle_101> well I don't want to wait 3 hour either :P
[11:15] <Eagle_101> ok thanks
[11:15] <hyper_ch> s/that r/app :)
[11:15] <Jester45> just get the official version its very simple
[11:15] <hyper_ch> then my sentence makes sence
[11:16] <Qew> you have to install their GUIs as separate packages, anyway ;)
[11:16] <Eagle_101> heh
[11:16] <Eagle_101> ok I've got bittorrent
[11:16] <Eagle_101> does not have a man entry :(
[11:17] <Qew> Eagle_101: http://dessent.net/btfaq/cmdline.shtml
[11:17] <Jester45> run it...
[11:20] <Eagle_101> mmm I can't even get the thing to start >.>
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[11:20] <Qew> try btdownloadcurses
[11:21] <Qew> that's the command you want
[11:21] <Qew> it's not bittorrent
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[11:22] <cycro> :(
[11:22] <Eagle_101> righto
[11:22] <Eagle_101> all I have to do is give it a url and a place to save to I hope?
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[11:24] <Qew> download the .torrent file and use that to tell bittorrent what to download, etc
[11:24] <krash123> !nvidia
[11:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:24] <Eagle_101> sorry I'm new to this whole concept >.>
[11:25] <Eagle_101> I have a torrent file sitting on my desktop
[11:25] <Eagle_101> I did figure that much out
[11:26] <Eagle_101> there we go :D
[11:27] <Qew> right, then you'll want something like this: "btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 20 [torrent file] " (upload rate is in KB)
[11:27] <Qew> ah, ok
[11:27] <Eagle_101> I just gave it the url of the torrent file...
[11:28] <Eagle_101> but its not doing anything other then just showing a status
[11:28] <Qew> it'll take time
[11:28] <Eagle_101> ok I did not tell it where the torrent file is...
[11:29] <Qew> download the torrent file, then do the command I put above
[11:29] <Qew> it'll save it in the directory you're currently in
[11:29] <Eagle_101> yeah I'm trying that now ;)
[11:30] <Qew> then just sit and wait. It might take some minutes before you notice a response
[11:30] <Eagle_101> Qew, the torrent file is the url to it rignt?
[11:31] <Qew> I'd download the torrent file and point the command to the torrent file on your local machine.
[11:31] <Eagle_101> ok I did that
[11:31] <Eagle_101> and it gave me a value error
[11:31] <Qew> maybe the tracker is dead
[11:31] <Qew> what are you trying to download?
[11:32] <Eagle_101> http://torrents.gentoo.org/torrents/livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.torrent
[11:32] <Eagle_101> that
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[11:32] <Qew> let's see
[11:37] <Qew> seems to be taking as long as you'd expect to eventually install Gentoo ;)
[11:37] <Eagle_101> Qew, heh
[11:37] <Eagle_101> so, its going?
[11:37] <Eagle_101> and if so, what is the proper command?
[11:37] <krash123> !beryl
[11:37] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:37] <Qew> no, it's not yet
[11:37] <Eagle_101> mmm
[11:38] <Eagle_101> you just pointed it at the url?
[11:38] <Qew> I downloaded the torrent file and pointed to that
[11:38] <Eagle_101> mmm well I'm getting errors with that approch...
[11:38] <Qew> the only problem I'm having is waiting for the download to start
[11:39] <Eagle_101> ah
[11:39] <Eagle_101> Qew, here is the errors I'm getting
[11:39] <Eagle_101> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8694/
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[11:42] <Qew> shouldn't that be /home/james/Desktop/livecd...
[11:42] <Qew> capital D in Desktop
[11:42] <Eagle_101> mmm probably >.> I thought I set everything to lowercase >.>
[11:42] <Qew> why not CD to the directory and then do it from there?
[11:43] <Eagle_101> Qew, I feel really really dumb here :(
[11:43] <Qew> btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 20 livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.torrent
[11:43] <Eagle_101> Qew, because its one file :P
[11:43] <Qew> eh?
[11:43] <Qew> what's that got to do with it?
[11:43] <Qew> just cd to where you stored the file and run that
[11:44] <Eagle_101> dunno, just how I do it, if I have to do a bunch of files (like start python programs) I do a cd otherwise I just type it out.
[11:44] <Eagle_101> and its running :D
[11:44] <Qew> cool
[11:45] <Eagle_101> and thanks for putting up with my stupidity :P
[11:45] <Qew> heh... np. I'll probably show mine one day ;)
[11:46] <cycro> wats a good rar unpacker?
[11:46] <Qew> unrar
[11:47] <cycro> is there a plugin for xarchiver to see rars?
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[11:47] <tute666> xD
[11:47] <cycro> i dont want 1000 million progarms -_-
[11:47] <cycro> is there an all around unarchiver?
[11:47] <tute666> cycro: yes, it depends on unrar
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[11:47] <cycro> wat?
[11:47] <cycro> lol
[11:47] <cycro> it depenmds on unrar?
[11:48] <tute666> cycro: youve got the program that is the user interface.
[11:48] <Qew> xarchiver should be fine if you install unrar
[11:48] <cycro> oh
[11:48] <tute666> then youve got unrar that actually does the work
[11:48] <cycro> oo
[11:48] <cycro> rite
[11:48] <cycro> uh
[11:48] <cycro> do i want unrar or unrar-free?
[11:48] <Qew> xarchiver is just a graphical frontend to many types of archive programs. unrar is one such program.
[11:48] <cycro> i see
[11:48] <Qew> free one will do
[11:48] <cycro> it says free doesnt support 3.0
[11:49] <Qew> oh, then do the other one ;)
[11:49] <K3nto> xubuntu should go onto a Pentium 3 lappie right? designed for 98/2000
[11:49] <cycro> mm
[11:49] <Qew> should do. How much ram?
[11:49] <K3nto> at lest 128
[11:49] <K3nto> 256 i think
[11:49] <cycro> shud be fine
[11:49] <cycro> gf is running that
[11:49] <K3nto> ok
[11:50] <Qew> yeah, but if it's 128, then you'll need the alternate install CD... the 256 should be fine with installation from the live CD
[11:50] <Eagle_101> yeah it will work
[11:50] <Eagle_101> just watch how much ram you have ;)
[11:50] <cycro> do all linux distros have repositories?
[11:50] <K3nto> alternate cd?
[11:51] <pleia2> K3nto: it's on the download page, it has a text-based installer on it that's better for lower ram systems
[11:51] <Qew> yeah, if you have 192mb or below, then use that.
[11:51] <Eagle_101> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[11:51] <K3nto> ok
[11:52] <cycro> ok
[11:52] <cycro> i installed unrar
[11:52] <Qew> either way, your machine will work. It's just the installation we're quibbling about.
[11:52] <cycro> i still cant unrar-_-
[11:52] <pleia2> cycro: what is the error?
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[11:53] <K3nto> i already have the live cd. can i do the text installation from this one? like a boot option or something
[11:53] <cycro> mm
[11:53] <pleia2> K3nto: unfortunately the livecd installer doesn't have the text installer on it
[11:53] <Eagle_101> K3nto, you need to download the alternate cd
[11:53] <cycro> if i right click and click extract here, i get "Can't spawn the command"
[11:53] <Qew> well, he only needs to download the alternate if the machine has less than 192mb on it
[11:53] <cycro> if i ope nthe file with xarchiver
[11:53] <pleia2> cycro: open up a terminal, type: unrar e filename.rar
[11:53] <K3nto> nuts. i got to the desktop with the install icon and everything
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[11:54] <cycro> ther we go
[11:54] <K3nto> YES its going! just gonna take forever or so
[11:54] <Eagle_101> K3nto, how much RAM does that machine have?
[11:54] <s|k_> is there any easy way to access a printer on a windows computer on a local network with xubuntu?
[11:54] <cycro> ty pleia
[11:54] <K3nto> lie 128 or 256
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[11:54] <Qew> K3nto: but you say that the machine might have 256mb on it?
[11:54] <K3nto> yeah
[11:54] <cycro> omfg
[11:55] <cycro> the file is a .nrg
[11:55] <Qew> then it should work... if it has 128, then it might not and you'll have to download the alternate CD
[11:55] <cycro> tell me theres a .nrg viewr
[11:55] <K3nto> theres a 128 and a 256 in it. not sure which one its picking up
[11:55] <pleia2> cycro: is nrg a movie or picture format?
[11:55] <cycro> um
[11:55] <pleia2> something else?
[11:55] <cycro> i thinjk its sometin from nero
[11:56] <Qew> Nero image file
[11:56] <cycro> yes
[11:56] <cycro> there we go
[11:56] <cycro> ..
[11:56] <cycro> any ideas?
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[11:56] <cycro> zomgg
[11:56] <cycro> its a burning software for windows
[11:56] <pleia2> ah
[11:56] <cycro> well it used to be, now its got millions of features
[11:57] <Qew> yeah, I have some distant memories about it... sort of very distant
[11:57] <K3nto> ahh! my cursor disappeared
[11:57] <cycro> lolll
[11:57] <pleia2> my we're having fun this evening
[11:57] <Qew> it was good for a Windows app, though
[11:57] <Qew> but that was four years ago
[11:57] <Qew> things change
[11:57] <cycro> omg
[11:57] <cycro> linux has a nrg --> iso !!!
[11:57] <cycro> w00t cakes
[11:58] <pleia2> yeah, nrg2iso ;)
[11:58] <cycro> yes
[11:58] <cycro> now how to use
[11:59] <cycro> YES
[11:59] <cycro> <2
[11:59] <cycro> <3
[11:59] <K3nto> what does it mean when the install window comes up, but theres nothing inside?
[12:00] <cycro> wat does the burnfree option do ?
[12:01] <cycro> in gnomebaker
[12:01] <K3nto> memtest. i got 128 mb
[12:01] <Qew> then you'll have to download the alternate install CD
[12:02] <pleia2> K3nto: it might just be coming up slowly (or stalled) because you don't have enough ram
[12:02] <K3nto> kk
[12:03] <Qew> cycro: turning on burnfree will protect you from buffer underruns, where CPU activity might end up making a coaster. It depends on the CDRW supporting it, but modern ones should do.
[12:03] <cycro> oo
[12:03] <cycro> thx
[12:03] <cycro> its unchecked by default :(
[12:03] <Qew> well, it's playing safe
[12:04] <Qew> turn it on if your CDRW drive supports it
[12:04] <cycro> alright
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[12:08] <cycro> thanks again
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[12:08] <K3nto> i cant find the alternate cd
[12:08] <krash123> k3nto , the alternate xubuntu cd ?
[12:09] <K3nto> yea
[12:09] <Qew> dapper or edgy?
[12:09] <K3nto> edgy
[12:10] <krash123> http://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[12:10] <krash123> there you have the links..
[12:10] <krash123> for torrent download look at the bottom..
[12:11] <K3nto> ty
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[12:26] <cycro> :'(
[12:26] <maxamillion> ?
[12:26] <cycro> :(!! all my files :(
[12:26] <cycro> cant recover..
[12:26] <K3nto> what were you doing
[12:27] <cycro> installing linux
[12:27] <cycro> then i screwed with the partitions table? or sometin
[12:27] <maxamillion> !photorec
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about photorec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <cycro> and everytin got erased
[12:28] <krash123> got to be careful lol..
[12:28] <maxamillion> cycro: to recover partitions use .. TestDisk, for files use PhotoRec ... both are listed on this wiki http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Main_Page
[12:28] <maxamillion> cycro: enjoy :)
[12:29] <cycro> o thx
[12:29] <cycro> ill check it out
[12:29] <maxamillion> it was a life saver for me more than once :P
[12:29] <cycro> is it for more than just photos?
[12:29] <maxamillion> but read careful when you are going through the recover process ...
[12:30] <maxamillion> cycro: yeah ... it has a long list of file extensions it can recover
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[12:30] <cycro> cool
[12:30] <maxamillion> ;)
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[12:31] <cycro> is it a bootable cd?
[12:31] <maxamillion> cycro: make sure to only check the files you really want to recover ... you would be amazed how many files will just randomly be recovered
[12:31] <cycro> omg
[12:31] <maxamillion> cycro: well .. it is included on knoppix liveCD or you can install it
[12:31] <cycro> thats brilliant
[12:31] <cycro> but i Really screwd things up, u think it can help?
[12:32] <maxamillion> yeah, you'd be impressed
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[12:32] <cycro> oo
[12:32] <cycro> ok
[12:32] <cycro> is it ok if i install via synaptic?
[12:32] <maxamillion> cycro: i recommend the knoppix approach, but i have had both work for me
[12:32] <cycro> mm
[12:32] <cycro> well ill try this for now
[12:32] <cycro> since downloading knoppix will take osme time
[12:33] <maxamillion> cycro: both programs are part of the TestDisk package so if you do install then both programs will be there after synaptic installs the TestDisk package
[12:33] <cycro> oh
[12:33] <cycro> my main concern is that i lose my dads resume, and 80gb of music
[12:33] <cycro> lost*
[12:35] <maxamillion> then just tell PhotoRec to recover .doc (i assume that is the extension of your dad's resume) and .mp3 and all will be well
[12:35] <cycro> mm
[12:35] <cycro> wow
[12:35] <cycro> ok i installed it
[12:35] <cycro> mm
[12:35] <cycro> i type photorec in terminal?
[12:36] <cycro> ok
[12:36] <cycro> 532 files recovere
[12:36] <cycro> d
[12:36] <cycro> ?_?
[12:36] <cycro> in recup dir
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[12:37] <maxamillion> cycro: :)
[12:37] <cycro> ok
[12:37] <cycro> i got a bunch of text files
[12:37] <cycro> in foregin languages, it seems
[12:37] <cycro> some of them are
[12:37] <maxamillion> yeah ... it will recover some garbage along with what you are looking for
[12:37] <cycro> but i didnt do anything
[12:37] <cycro> well i did
[12:37] <cycro> but
[12:38] <cycro> its reading
[12:38] <cycro> its not finding my hard drive
[12:38] <cycro> it says 32mb RO
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[12:38] <cycro> when i had ubuntu installed, it at least recognized my otherp artition
[12:38] <maxamillion> cycro: you might want to check that wiki ... i don't know alot about the program to be honest
[12:39] <cycro> the wiki is weak
[12:39] <maxamillion> :(
[12:39] <cycro> howto help doesnt work
[12:39] <cycro> :(
[12:39] <cycro> hm
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[12:40] <maxamillion> i sorry
[12:40] <cycro> its ok
[12:41] <cycro> yeah xubuntu doesnt recognize my whole drive
[12:41] <maxamillion> that's because it will only see its partition
[12:41] <cycro> not even that
[12:42] <cycro> it only sees a32 mb partition
[12:42] <cycro> and i have no idea wat that is