[12:22] snoogie: amule is in feisty, and it's written in c++ and wxwidgets ;) [12:23] Hi, I am not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but here goes, I am using ubuntu 6.06 LTS with the 2.6.15-28-686 kernel, I am wondering why there hasn't been a vmware-player-kernel-meodules package yet for this kernel ? :( its been some time since the kernel was updated. [12:23] Yes but I read on launchpad that ubuntu need a soft and in specification I read that they want it in pyGTK+glade [12:23] nrdb, You need to compile it nope ? [12:24] snoogie: there are packages for older kernels [12:25] Ok :) but can't you try to compile them using vmware-installer.pl script ? [12:26] snoogie: yes! but I am still wondering why the long delay in getting out an apropiate module for this kernel, is it coming at all ? [12:26] ohhh :D [12:26] sorry :) === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-146-112-231.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] nrdb: I think it won't hit Dapper [12:30] pochu: ok, that does rather break the whole vmware package :( [12:30] snoogie: about your question, if you want that app included in the ubuntu installation by default, I don't know, but if you want it included in the repositories, I think there is no problem [12:31] nrdb: btw, I'm not an Ubuntu dev ;) [12:31] snoogie: is this a bounty? [12:31] pochu: just is the repositories, so that vmware keeps working as the kernel gets upgraded. [12:32] a bounty is the only reason I can think of where the language would be specified really === nrdb bye === nrdb [n=neil@92.136.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:35] LaserJock, not a bounty [12:35] wait I ll find link [12:35] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard [12:35] and specifications : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemCleanUpTool [12:36] I am new in ubuntu developper community [12:36] but I want to help, I am a C++ coder and I ll have 4 days this week to do this :) [12:36] So I think I can start this tool since I already done one on PDA before [12:36] that's cool [12:37] I see that there is someone already assigned for this soft [12:37] I lose my time by starting it ? [12:37] you should talk to sivan (sivang on IRC) [12:38] Ok I will [12:39] generally though it's up to the person doing the project to decide what language they will use [12:39] I looks like sivan wants to do python and gtk/glade === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] yo [12:40] it's sivan the person assigned to this project . [12:40] ? [12:40] yep [12:40] Oh yes [12:40] ouch === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] he will kill me [12:40] why? [12:40] don't know :D === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] I am a bit nervous since I register myself on launchpad [12:41] sivan is a cool dude, I'm sure he'd love help [12:41] and take conscience that after signing ubuntero [12:41] coool [12:41] I hope I can help :) [12:42] did I need to send a CV :D ? [12:42] heh, no [12:42] or something like this :) [12:42] lol [12:42] nice :) [12:42] sorry for my broken english [12:42] snoogie: your english is really fine :) [12:42] snoogie: mine isn't, though ;) [12:43] Thanks to my society who ask me to wrote manual and comments in english :D [12:43] LaserJock, did you know when I can speak with sivang ? [12:44] I think he lives in Israel [12:44] I leave in France and I ll be free for coding wednesday evening and maybe work on it 2 nights during this week [12:44] I lived [12:44] ouch :) [12:45] snoogie: you can always email him [12:45] yes === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-122-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] hi jono [12:46] hey dude :) [12:47] LaserJock, I mail him directly ? 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[07:19] that's the -modesetting-branch merged in [07:19] upstream naming [07:20] Fujitsu: it's just the name of the source.. irrelevant [07:20] 2.0 will replace i810 and have modesetting in a stable release? [07:20] tepsipakki: i am getting a bunch of c->xlib locking errors in feisty.. did you look on google? i saw a couple of patches in xorg bugzilla to fix them but i am on vacation and not really motivated to test them [07:21] (given that's only a torrent client that triggers them) [07:21] fabbione: generally they are bugs in the applications that crash [07:22] yes i know.. but there are patches to avoid a total crash of the app [07:22] ok, maybe we could look at them [07:22] link? [07:22] google also explains what to look for.. doublefree, doublealloc.. etc. [07:22] Fujitsu: yes [07:22] not handy.. i looked at it saturday [07:25] maybe I'll search the bugzilla for them [07:29] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 [07:29] Freedesktop bug 9336 in Lib/Xlib "Assert in Java application WW2D" [Normal,Assigned] [07:29] that one? [07:30] novell has applied that one === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73459.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] good morning === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-35-136.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67DD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] <_ion> Hi\ [07:57] hi _ion === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@94.211-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] dholbach, seb128: care to have a look at the evince-gtk build failure? === Zdra [n=zdra@94.211-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@94.211-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@38.177-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Herd 5 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Mithrandir at Fri Mar 2 22:16:21 2007 === Zdra_ is now known as Zdra === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.190.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] damn, the new -video-intel -driver (2.0rc1) needs server-1.3 [09:32] <[StingRay] > Hi all, dappers gs-esp is broken. I made a source install of 8.54-gpl and now all is fine. I want to make a deb package out of the source with pbuilder. I have it installed. I have a question: In the howto it says - sudo pbuilder build *.dsc Where do I get the dsc from (apt-get source gs-esp???) [09:33] <[StingRay] > I will be much obliged if someone helps a newbie, willing to help other ubuntuers. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] [StingRay] : if you want to help out with development, #ubuntu-motu is a better starting point. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment also has a bunch of pointers [09:35] <[StingRay] > Thanks Mithrandir. I will check it. [09:35] doko: I'm not aware of any uvf exception for python-tz? In the future, please get aoone before uploading. === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] Mithrandir: ohh, sorry. was the sync with tzdata, didn't think of it. === [StingRay] [n=windwalk@80.80.151.9] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:40] doko: np === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-18-193.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] doko: gpocentek or Janimo know the evince-gtk patch better [09:43] what about it? [09:43] dholbach, seb128: care to have a look at the evince-gtk build failure? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] bug 89825 [09:49] Malone bug 89825 in evince-gtk "Ftbfs on feisty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89825 === Grunf [n=dream@238-96-148-91.adsl.beotel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] can you help me :) [09:50] doko: let xubuntu guys handle it === pitti looks at feisty-changes and wonders whether this is the current 'archive rebuild test' [09:50] Im on Ubuntu 6.06 how to install Dc++? [09:50] Grunf: #ubuntu, please (see topic) [09:50] seb128: ohh, ok [09:51] ok [09:51] seb128: hiya - a small patch on yelp is on the usual bug; can you take a look at it at some stage? I'd like to get that uploaded and then do another short one before string freeze so everything is more or less up to date [09:51] doko: that's the package fork they did to have evince without GNOME libs and they said they would do the work on it so it's not extra load [09:51] seb128: didn't see the `x` in the name ;-p === pitti hugs doko for python-tz [09:51] mdke: it's on my list of things to look at, will do that next [09:52] seb128: great, thanks. === Kagou [n=Kagou@77.192.172.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] np [09:53] hi cjwatson [09:53] fabbione: could you have a look at the heartbeat ftbfs on ia64 (IPv6?) === herzi [n=herzi@p548FC1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A93703.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Grunf [n=dream@238-96-148-91.adsl.beotel.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [10:05] morning === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@CPE-58-167-61-68.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mooey [n=chris@217.151.110.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arre [n=ac@trillke.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mantiena [n=mantiena@ctv-84-55-4-28.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] cjwatson: Hi, could you access http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/ ? [10:38] mantiena: ubuntulinux.org is hideously obsolete. Use ubuntu.com. If that doesn't work, I don't run people.ubuntu.com so it's not really my problem [10:38] that machine gets rather busy at times [10:38] people is down, no? [10:38] it was over the weekend, anyway [10:39] Keybuk: right, since Sat [10:39] rookery go bye-bye [10:39] carlos: ^ no langpack building for now :/ [10:39] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ also not accessible [10:39] :( [10:41] cjwatson: I need people.ubuntu.com because I need to know what mkisofs options needs to be used for building Ubuntu DVD images === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] I've build several customized DVD images according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06 but my CD's doesn't boot on lots of computers (isolinux doesn't start at all), while official Ubuntu DVD images does [10:44] but when I burn not on DVD, but on CD, then this CD starts fine on all computers === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] I don't know if this is mkisofs bug or for bootable DVD another mkisofs options are needed, than for CD [10:45] pitti: oh, so that's the reason why my scripts got stalled with the rsync.... [10:45] pitti: anyway, the initial import is taking longer than planned [10:45] mantiena: uh, the same .iso image works on CDs but not DVDs? [10:45] mantiena: last I checked the instructions on the wiki were accurate [10:47] cjwatson: is different mkisofs options needed for bootable DVD, than for CD ? [10:48] no [10:48] cjwatson: sorry for bothering, but could you tell me what Ubuntu version is running on ubuntu server, which builds ubuntu edgy DVD ? [10:49] 6.06 IIRC === Kagou [n=Kagou@77.192.172.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] cjwatson: thanks, so, I guess this is Edgy's mkisofs bug [10:51] I have no idea [10:51] I will try with genisofs from Debian === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [10:54] doko: the ecj bug list, is that the list of outstanding bugs, the list of fixed bugs or what? [10:55] Mithrandir: fixed (and read only those with the compiler keyword) [10:56] doko: do you have a list of changes from the current version in ubuntu? The release notes seems to contain a whole lot of irrelevant stuff. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] Mithrandir: nothing but a diff, if that helps you. [10:59] pitti: the bad news was that did discover two new packages with time zone data [11:00] doko: no, that doesn't help me. [11:01] btw, who is responsible for discover1 and discover-data packages ? There is an important bug , when discover1 assings vesa driver for lots of video cards - look at bug #89356 [11:01] Malone bug 89356 in Baltix "Lines with string "unknown" in second and/or third column should be removed from /lib/discover/pci.lst " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89356 [11:01] doko: I need a list of changes, though. [11:02] mvo: no change on dist-upgrader upload? [11:02] Riddell: last time I checked, 0.57.8 was in the archive [11:03] Riddell: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/ lists it (since 2.mar) === gismo_ [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] Mithrandir: there is none, same situation as in any eclipse release [11:04] mvo: ah, it's just current isn't updated [11:04] urgh [11:04] Riddell: I will raise that with cprov, once he is available in #soyuz [11:05] thanks [11:05] Riddell: thank you for verifiing! [11:05] Riddell: got my /msg about something unreleated? [11:07] replied [11:07] thanks [11:09] mjg59: hi, are you online ? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [n=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] "The project is an attempt to deliver a complete Linux-based operating system supplemented by Islam study software (in Arabic and English) and by an innovative system tray utility that alerts the user to prayer times and automatically plays the appropriate prayer (the prayers are in the free Ogg-Vorbis format)." [11:24] that is so cool [11:24] lol, apt-get install priest [11:25] prayrave? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] yay rookery! [11:36] pitti: rock on ;) [11:36] seb128: I'll upload a new apport with the fakechroot support now, so that it is easy to install in fakechroots [11:36] pitti: could you promote thunar-volman-plugin to main? you've approved the MIR === seb128 hugs pitti [11:37] gpocentek: in a bit [11:37] pitti: thanks [11:37] pitti: oh, and the i386 binary is missing in the archive, no idea why (it didn't FTBFS) [11:37] simply not built yet? [11:37] it's built [11:38] (checking) [11:38] pitti: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/301985 << it's built [11:39] some packages built yesterday evening (~22:00 utc) are still not on archive.u.c [11:39] stgraber: this one built weeks ago [11:40] really weird then :) [11:40] gpocentek: this needs to be settled out before main promotion [11:42] pitti: can I just do a non-change upload? [11:42] gpocentek: let me look [11:42] ok [11:43] thunar-volman-plugin | 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 | feisty/universe | source, amd64, ia64, powerpc, sparc [11:43] hm [11:43] it's probably in failed-to-move; let me check [11:44] it's not in binary NEW at least [11:45] 13:06:43 INFO Rejected: [11:45] 13:06:43 INFO thunar-volman-plugin_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 <= 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 [11:45] blink [11:45] how about I just retry it [11:46] lfittl, zul: bug 89133> Let me know if you're around. [11:46] Malone bug 89133 in xen-source "Problem with blktap and LVM (device numbers)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89133 [11:48] it's quite insistent that it's in the archive === mbiebl [n=michael@e180098207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] definitely not in the db though ... [11:57] whoa [11:57] 10:46:43 DEBUG Checking for thunar-volman-plugin/0.1.2-0ubuntu1/i386 binary ancestry [11:57] 10:46:43 DEBUG thunar-volman-plugin: (binary) exists in amd64/RELEASE === cjwatson sounds the soyuz bug klaxon [12:02] doko: i am on vacation till next monday. we have halley (ia64) at the datacenter for porting === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] gpocentek: a new upload will probably not help (or if it does, will only help by accident) and will make it harder for the Soyuz guys to reproduce this bug, so please don't [12:03] fabbione: halley is still down. I'm submitting a bug report; may I subscribe you? [12:04] doko: my ia64 is turned off and hasn't been updated in ages, but i can for sure look at it once i am back [12:04] doko: best if you mail me the bug number [12:04] ok === fabbione gets tons of bugs === fabbione & [12:08] cjwatson: ok === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] gpocentek,pitti: bug 89846 [12:12] Malone bug 89846 in soyuz "binary ancestry calculation broken for new binary packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89846 [12:15] Mithrandir, cjwatson: do you if someone is working on an uvf exception for fuse 2.6.3? [12:15] cjwatson, is there any equivalent to the old loadkeys command in the new console-setup implementation ? [12:15] geser: I haven't heard of any. [12:15] i tried setupcon, but it needs a full config file [12:17] ogra: you can still use ckbcomp and loadkeys in combination [12:17] ogra: I'm afraid there's nothing quite as simple as the old loadkeys invocation yet, though === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["aU] [12:17] ok [12:17] (loadkeys is used by setupcon) [12:17] oh, if i call it directly its missing something ... [12:18] you can't just use 'loadkeys uk' or whatever, no [12:18] more like ckbcomp -model pc105 gb | loadkeys === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] ah, k [12:20] yeah, works, thanks :) [12:22] btw, your ldm code had a slight typo ... "while [ "$(fgconsole)" = "$orig_console" ] ; then" ... [12:22] err s/ldm/usplash/ [12:23] ogra: where's the typo? [12:23] then vs do [12:23] ah [12:23] :) [12:23] yes, fair point [12:25] geser, not yet ... feel free to use me as upload bitch if you want ... === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] i tink the upstream comments justify an UVF exception [12:26] *think === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] omegabeta: export PS1="[%n@%m] %{$fg_bold[blue] %}%B%1/%b%} :: " === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] [user@host] pwd :: [12:50] ;) [12:52] oops ww === Hobbsee waves === mneptok gets seasick === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet [12:53] seb128: can you please binary-NEW apport-retrace? I don't want to NEW my own stuff [12:53] seb128: please put it into main, I'll seed it [12:53] pitti: looking [12:53] seb128: if you manage in the next 10 minutes, I can set up the fakechroots soon :) === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti === mneptok gets FIRED UP! [12:56] seb128: (seeded) [12:57] pitti: and binary accepted to main [12:57] seb128: let's get ready to rumble then :-P [12:57] ;) === mneptok hugsn apport-retrace as if he hasn't seen it in 2 Herd releases [12:58] mneptok: don't squeeze the important bits out of it :) === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] pitti: it has important bits? [12:59] mneptok: yes, the '1' ones [01:00] pitti: You approved cryus-imapd-2.2 into edgy-proposed. Whyfor are the only .deb's appearing in the Packages list for edgy-propsed on this machine only arch all? [01:00] don't tell me there's not one bit of difference between null and zero, because that's exactly how much difference there is. [01:00] StevenK: maybe it hasn't built yet on the other arches? or it's yet another failed-to-move fallout? [01:01] pitti: It certainly built. [01:01] ... or did it. [01:02] pitti: What does this fakechroot support achieve? [01:03] Fujitsu: complicated answer: you can generate, update, and retrace in chroots entirely with user privileges [01:03] Fujitsu: easy answer: automatic crash retracing in the DC [01:04] I do like the latter of those two. Is there an ETA for it all being automatic? [01:04] Fujitsu: the level of automatism will raise over time [01:05] Fujitsu: first stage is manual invocation in the DC until I wrote the bits for interacting with Malone [01:05] Fujitsu: I need to work around some limitations of Malone, like the lack of an interface to add new attachments, and search for bugs starting with a certain number === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-68aa899e3a5d2f41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] pitti: Surely such requests would have high priority with the LP guys? [01:06] Fujitsu: well, except that there is other stuff with even higher prio :) [01:07] Fujitsu: and if we can cope with the currrent functionality, so much the better [01:09] pitti: edgy amd64 Successfully built [01:09] How are you going to manage adding attachments without a non-HTML interface? [01:10] pitti: Will you look, or should I bug somebody else? [01:10] Fujitsu: either I use the HTML interface and need to sort out the authentication bits, or I attach the retraced stack traces inline with an email [01:10] StevenK: look for what? buildd -> infinity or Mithrandir; Soyuz screwage -> cprov or cjwatson [01:12] mjg59: should apmd/libapmd be being installed on an ugrade? [01:12] Doubt it. [01:12] They probably ought to be part of base, though [01:12] s/base/ship/ [01:12] (whatever) [01:13] StevenK: checking [01:13] desktop: * apmd [i386] [01:13] Riddell: re bug 89489> In Kubuntu, what controls how dpkg is run when you `right [click] the mouse to install a .deb package' ? [01:14] Malone bug 89489 in initramfs-tools "initramfs-tools hangs on modprobe --show-depends thermal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89489 [01:14] so that should be installed on upgrade [01:14] cjwatson: nod === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.218.227.109] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] Mithrandir: Thanks [01:17] pitti: Fair enough, okay. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73459.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] iwj: it's just a script that launches a console with dpkg --install, pretty primitive [01:20] cjwatson: No negative feedback from the parted people, so that patch ought to be good to go [01:20] which one? [01:20] The gpt/mbr syncing one [01:21] mjg59: I haven't seen the patch yet - did you throw it at a bug? [01:21] Yup [01:21] Oh, Malone is making me cry [01:22] ah, bug 84815 [01:22] Malone bug 84815 in partman-efi "Fails to correctly set up partitions on Intel Macs" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84815 [01:22] or not [01:22] No, it was an earlier one [01:22] How do I get a list of bugs I'm subscribed to? [01:23] launchpad.net/~mjg59/+subscribedbugs [01:23] iwj: Exec=xterm -title "%c" -e 'sudo dpkg -i %U; echo "Press to exit..."; read;' [01:24] cjwatson: Ah - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/46853 [01:24] Malone bug 46853 in ubiquity "grub install fails on EFI Intel Macs" [Medium,In progress] === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] ok, thanks, I'll look after lunch then [01:25] StevenK: soyuz ate them, I'm looking at recovering them. [01:26] doko: heartbeat failed on sparc too [01:26] hmmm [01:27] Mithrandir: could you be so kind to check outdate to see if something has been stalling on sparc to cause libcurl3-dev: Depends: libcurl3-openssl-dev (= 7.15.5-1ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed ? === fabbione shouldn't even be here [01:28] fabbione: curl is needs-build on sparc [01:28] I've bumped the priority of it, so it should be in soonish [01:28] doko: the heartbeat problem might be a missing kernel header.. [01:29] ia64: checking for linux/icmpv6.h... no [01:29] i386: checking for linux/icmpv6.h... yes [01:29] doko: ^^ this one is the problem for sure.. you can see in the i386 build log that it then builds IPv6addr [01:30] Mithrandir: thanks a lot. [01:30] fabbione: sparc seems busy with guile and new gcc ATM, but guile is just about finished so I'll give back heartbeat once it's in. [01:30] Mithrandir: that's great. thanks [01:31] (which should be in an hour or so) === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67277.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Mithrandir: how does giving back heartbeat help? [01:36] doko: wasn't the heartbeat failure on sparc due to the curl skew? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Mithrandir: Aye, thanks. === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] Mithrandir: So Soyuz ate all of the arch dependant .debs and let through the two arch indep ones. Neat. [01:39] StevenK: yes, something like that. We need code changes to recover it, but cprov is working on that. [01:39] Mithrandir: ohh, sorry [01:39] Mithrandir: Okay, cool. [01:39] doko: it might not be, I wasn't following the discussion 100%. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] Mithrandir: no I checked now, please requeue [01:41] doko: do you know when ooo 2.2 is scheduled for? [01:44] Mithrandir: yes.. heartbeat on sparc is due to curl [01:44] doko: did you read above about ia64? [01:45] Mithrandir: it was scheduled for Wednesday, but probably will be delayed by a few days. (rc3 was unexpected). there's a release meeting today, so expect some news [01:45] doko: thanks; keep me posted. [01:46] Feisty with Oo.o 2.2 would be awesome. [01:46] If I can put my $0.0002 in. [01:47] it would. But I'd much rather have 2.2 than 2.2rc3 === StevenK nods. === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-168-215-105.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Riddell: Ah. Because that's obviously not robust against spaces in filenames. (I meant bug 57102, not 89489.) Can I assign the bug to you, if you know where this script is ? [01:49] Malone bug 57102 in dpkg "Kubuntu 6.06 locale problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57102 === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F752EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] heh [01:53] Mithrandir: have you had time to check if the two patches for importance "High" bugs in xserver-xorg-video-ati could be put to feisty? (22985 with 19 duplicates, 63503 with 6 duplicates). or should I ask someone else to check&include those? [01:53] you can't even build most software in directories with spaces in their name [01:53] Keybuk: Yes, but these are err naive users who expect pointyclicky things to work. [01:53] Mirv: it might be better to ask tepsipakki, since he's been doing X work lately. [01:53] Not people trying to build software. [01:54] iwj: sure [01:54] Riddell: Done, thanks. [01:54] Mithrandir: ok, then [01:56] iwj: good point === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA5A.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-127-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@dialin-212-144-087-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ is now known as pitti [02:06] hmm, after I upgraded all machines to feisty, I see a long delay (4sec) ssh'ing between the machines [02:08] doko: #84899 ??? [02:10] bug 84899 [02:10] Malone bug 84899 in openssh "SSH with GSSAPIAuthentication option on SSH servers are very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84899 === francis [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee gets afraid when there are bugs like these.... [02:19] https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/89856 [02:19] Malone bug 89856 in Ubuntu "Protection at what cost? " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === auxesis_ [n=lindsay@202.177.221.61] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:24] thanks mjg59 [02:24] mjg59: i was trying to think of what to reply in a diplomatic way... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm235.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] iwj: hmm, so what kind of tests would one run once the package is installed? === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-48-7.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat__ [n=mat@home.virgule.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@203-59-195-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] Keybuk: Well, that would depend on the package. For something like upstart you'd probably have some test events, or check that some events you had anyway were properly processed. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] Some of those kind of tests would be rather intrusive on a system you were trying to use for something else which would make autopkgtest's xenlvm stuff come in handy. [02:44] iwj: can the tests destroy the running system? === BenC_ [n=bcollins@12.145.6.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] Keybuk: Yes, they're allowed to. You're supposed to declare this in the metadata. [02:47] (So that it won't run them if your virtualisation isn't sufficiently good.) [02:48] Although I suppose if you destroy the system enough it might be too broken for adt-run to retreive the results :-). [02:48] the obvious upstart tests would be to create a new job, make sure it's parsed and loaded, try starting it, querying the status, killing the process, see if it respawns, stopping the job again; then emitting an event to see if the job gets started, and another to see whether it gets stopped [02:48] Right. [02:57] doko: if GSSAPIAuthentication=no doesn't fix it then it's surely not the same problem and shouldn't be conflated in the same bug [02:57] doko: anyway, ssh -vvv and possibly some indication of the point in the verbose trace where it seems to hang would help [02:58] cjwatson: maybe ssh with a sufficient number of -v-s should print timing information, like you can get strace to do? [02:58] just a thought. [02:58] => upstream ;-) [02:58] wouldn't hurt, it's true [02:59] does upstream have a useful bug tracker, or can you take it there? [02:59] there should be a command to do that for arbitrary subsidiary commands [02:59] bug tracker> bugzilla.mindrot.org [02:59] addtimings ssh -vvv blah [02:59] hmm, true. That'd be useful. [03:00] just grab its stdout and stderr, select on them, and stick gettimeofday in front every time you get a completed line [03:00] indeed. [03:02] Mithrandir, pitti, as you have probably seen in my e-mail I have made new cupsys and gnome-cups-manager packages for network printer auto-detection. [03:03] tkamppeter: yes, I just haven't gotten around to answering yet. [03:03] There I have a problem with the debian/*.templates and dpkg-reconfigure mechanism. [03:05] I have modified the debian/cupsys.templates file to change the defaults (activate snmp backend). [03:06] I have a new version of ati-driver to test.. it has three patches included which fix bugs [03:06] If I do a fresh install of cupsys the snmp backend is active immediately, but if I update cupsys, the old configuration is conserved and so snmp is inactive, [03:06] tkamppeter: but that sounds about right [03:06] it's here: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] How can I let the update of the cupsys package activate the snmp backend? [03:06] i386 deb included, built in pbuilder [03:06] tkamppeter: if you want to enable it by default on upgrades, you need to add the symlink in the postinst === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] pitti, only disadvantage of this approach is that if someone changes the configuration manually, these changes get lost with every update. [03:11] tkamppeter: how do you mean? adding the symlink in the postinst should work with a reconfigured package as well? [03:11] Is there nothing with which one can tell whether the settings of the previous config are defaults or changed by the user? [03:12] tkamppeter: why do you want to know that? [03:12] (no, you have to check the symlink structure manually) === BenC [n=bcollins@12.145.6.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] I mean, if in postinst a symlink is set, this symlink is set everytime when the package is updated, If the user configures the symlink away (because he does not his 1000 network printers being listed) the symlink gets set again when he updates cupsys the next time. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] tkamppeter: no, you must use dpkg --compare-versions on $2 to only do it once [03:14] I want to know whether a setting is default or set by hand, so that I apply new defaults only to settings which were on default before. [03:15] tkamppeter: there's no way to find out [03:15] tkamppeter: users might meddle with the symlinks manually, or switch a backend on and off again, etc. [03:16] tkamppeter: in a situation where you aren't sure whether it's a good idea to change a default configuration, then it's most likely *not* a good idea to do it [03:16] So perhaps the dpkg --compare-versions approach is the best, so I do the change of the default via postinst only if the package to be replaced is cupsys 1.2.8-0ubuntu2 or older. [03:17] tkamppeter: sth. like dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm235.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19]