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| Hobbsee | @schedule sydney | 06:10 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 06 Mar 02:00: Kernel Team | 07 Mar 05:00: Mozilla Team | 07 Mar 07:00: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu | 09 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 21:00: LoCo Team | 06:10 |
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| daviey | @schedule london | 12:32 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/London: 05 Mar 15:00: Kernel Team | 06 Mar 18:00: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 20:00: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 12:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00: LoCo Team | 12:32 |
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| crimsun | @schedule new york | 12:46 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 05 Mar 10:00: Kernel Team | 06 Mar 13:00: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 15:00: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 06:00: LoCo Team | 12:46 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Kernel Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Mar 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 20:00 UTC: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00 UTC: LoCo Team | ||
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| BenC | Welcome everyone | 04:01 |
| BenC | only person we're missing is Tim, and he should be here any second | 04:01 |
| kylem | moo. | 04:01 |
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| BenC | kylem: Please leave cows outside the channel | 04:01 |
| BenC | I leave my in the pastures, you can do the same :) | 04:02 |
| BenC | *mine | 04:02 |
| kylem | haha. | 04:02 |
| BenC | This is going to be short, no set agenda, so we'll be doing an open format | 04:02 |
| BenC | core team business first | 04:02 |
| BenC | kylem, pkl, rtg: Any issues, concerns, comments, suggestions? | 04:03 |
| kylem | BenC, have you seen the paravirt patches on linux-kernel from ingo today to clean up the issues about vdso? | 04:03 |
| pkl_ | no, making slow progress on the bugs. | 04:03 |
| zul | morning | 04:03 |
| BenC | I know I still need to do the bug triage wiki :) | 04:03 |
| BenC | probably get to that this evening when we get back | 04:04 |
| rtg | Suspend to RAM has lots of problems. | 04:04 |
| pkl_ | not going out in the town then? :-) | 04:04 |
| pkl_ | in -> on | 04:04 |
| BenC | kylem: No, definitely interested in them though | 04:04 |
| zul | I might have a copy of i9t | 04:05 |
| BenC | pkl_: Only if invited, and only if they pay the tab :) | 04:05 |
| BenC | rtg: Yeah, we need to discuss your proposal on kernel-team@l.u.c | 04:05 |
| zul | I say disable suspend to ram ;) | 04:06 |
| BenC | rtg: I've skimmed your comments, and I think it's probably the right thing, but I need to see about what to do in userspace to enforce it | 04:06 |
| BenC | enforce it, and allow it to be enabled easily for those who want to use it | 04:06 |
| rtg | zul: I suggested that S2R be marked as experimental. | 04:06 |
| BenC | kylem: Want to look at pulling those patches in? | 04:07 |
| zul | rtg: ah cool | 04:07 |
| rtg | The patches Ben is talking about will help me track down misbehaving drivers with regard to S2R. | 04:08 |
| BenC | kylem: Oh, we already forced vdso back on for paravirt | 04:08 |
| pkl_ | rtg: The idea is to apply them to our Feisty kernel, and hopefully get them accepted upstream? | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | whoa, what's that about disabling suspend to RAM? | 04:08 |
| zul | BenC: are we thinking about xen paravirt-ops for feisty? | 04:08 |
| pkl_ | rtg: Still no response from upstream? | 04:09 |
| rtg | pkl: Eventually. | 04:09 |
| BenC | zul: Has someone cleaned it up so it doesn't look like someone took a huge dump on the core kernel? | 04:09 |
| rtg | pkl: I've had some response, but have yet to propose the patches. | 04:09 |
| zul | BenC: I believe so, I havent checked recently. I can look at it this week | 04:09 |
| BenC | cjwatson: It's a huge matter of it not working for a lot of people, but this is only a suggestion at this point | 04:10 |
| cjwatson | right, but for those people for whom it does work, disabling it isn't so good ... | 04:10 |
| cjwatson | (and there are a lot of those too) | 04:10 |
| rtg | cjwatson: I'm not proposing that we disable S2R, just mark it as experimental. Its a huge regression from Edgy. | 04:10 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Right, which is why 99% probability it wont even be considered :) | 04:11 |
| BenC | cjwatson: We're trying to get things fixed, but we're also looking at alternatives | 04:12 |
| cjwatson | given our historical user base, I think it's definitely worthwhile putting resources into fixing it where possible | 04:12 |
| rtg | cjwatson: Its all I've been working on for 3 weeks. | 04:12 |
| pkl_ | Any idea when it broke? | 04:12 |
| BenC | cjwatson: mainly there are drivers breaking things, and finding them is hard | 04:12 |
| BenC | it's not S2R that is broken, it's drivers and kernel bits that are keeping things from suspending well | 04:13 |
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| rtg | pkl: The breakages are due to many reasons, not just a single driver. | 04:13 |
| BenC | it locks up before the suspend is complete | 04:13 |
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| pkl_ | rtg: but it apparently used to work much better? Do you know what kernel changes caused the regression? | 04:13 |
| rtg | Actually, most platforms suspend OK, it is the resume that has problems. | 04:14 |
| cjwatson | can we maybe maintain a blacklist of drivers that are known to break resume and avoid offering suspend if they're there? | 04:14 |
| cjwatson | (we only offer it conditionally as it is) | 04:15 |
| BenC | cjwatson: That's the problem...finding out which driver is causing it | 04:15 |
| cjwatson | ok | 04:15 |
| BenC | rtg's laptop produces at least one form of the problem, so he and I will work on bisecting it this week | 04:15 |
| rtg | My Dell XPS exhibits problems in core console code. thats a hard one to blacklist. | 04:16 |
| BenC | likely we'll start to uncover some similar issues elsewhere after finding one | 04:16 |
| rtg | lib_pata has been causing problems as well. | 04:16 |
| zul | do we have a list of regressions from edgy? | 04:17 |
| BenC | I think we may need to look into the libata-acpi patches | 04:17 |
| BenC | zul: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bugs :) | 04:17 |
| zul | BenC: heh besides that | 04:17 |
| BenC | we don't have a concise list, no | 04:18 |
| zul | I can start on it. | 04:18 |
| BenC | Ok, bugs, bugs, bugs | 04:19 |
| BenC | let's work on getting the list of Unconfirmed bugs way down | 04:19 |
| BenC | as soon as I get the wiki page done, I'll post to kernel-team@ and hopefully we can get the stagnant bugs taken care of | 04:20 |
| BenC | Moving on... | 04:20 |
| BenC | Any community input, questions? | 04:20 |
| zul | I dont think so | 04:20 |
| BenC | I know we have a lot of community members interested in helping, but not sure how to help | 04:21 |
| BenC | I hope to add some more info on that to the wiki | 04:21 |
| BenC | and the bug triaging wiki page will go a long way to steering you folks into the abyss we call kernel-development :) | 04:21 |
| BenC | Looks like we'll be finished quite early today | 04:22 |
| BenC | I'll remain on until the official end of the meeting (other core are invited to as well) in case anyone pops in for a question | 04:23 |
| BenC | Thanks everyone, and have a good week | 04:23 |
| pkl_ | OK. Hope you have a fun time where you are :) | 04:24 |
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| Toadstool | @schedule Los_Angeles | 11:38 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 06 Mar 10:00: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 12:00: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 03:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 11:00: Derivative Team | 11:38 |
| daviey | @schedule london | 11:50 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/London: 06 Mar 18:00: Mozilla Team | 06 Mar 20:00: MOTU meeting | 07 Mar 12:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 11:50 |
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