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LaserJockajmitch: I had a zope question for you01:32
LaserJockajmitch: about schooltool and schoolbell01:32
LaserJockbut it seems they are sort of not in the best shape01:32
ajmitchI know01:33
ajmitchand Fujitsu explained it well for you01:33
LaserJockI was trying to fix something01:33
LaserJockand found out the newer versions were FTBFS because of zope deps01:34
LaserJockseems a shame for Main packages01:34
ajmitchwhich are there for a reason, since zope 3 isn't a completely stable API01:34
ajmitchit's a shame that we have shipped school* in previous releases, and they'll be broken in feisty01:37
LaserJockso we cease to be able to fix schooltool and schoolbell01:37
LaserJockwell, I'm not sure how broken they are, I just know we can't rebuild them01:37
ajmitchfairly broken, I heard01:38
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ajmitchthat's the problme with developing on early revisions of APIs while the platform is still changing01:40
nixternalajmitch: Microsoft would disagree with that last statement :)01:42
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nixternalahh, I get it, closet vista'er ;p01:43
ajmitchreal helpful01:44
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jdongnixternal: is there a way to delete or overwrite wiki attachments??01:54
nixternaljdong: in the drop down, you can select Attachments01:54
nixternalonce you are there you can del the attachment, or just upload a new one with the same name01:55
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jdongnixternal: you obviously have more buttons than me01:56
jdongnixternal: I don't have a del link, and uploading a new one with same name spits an error01:56
nixternaljdong: which page?01:56
jdongnixternal: iPodVideoEncoding01:57
jdongnixternal: I need to replace pypodconv with a newer version01:57
nixternalalrighty, let me look at the page01:57
jdongYou are not allowed to delete attachments on this page.01:58
jdonghaha, trying to hack the URL :PO01:58
nixternaljdong: you are right, you can't delete01:58
jdongnixternal: lol, then remove the attachement, please :)01:58
jdongI'll host the file elsewhere01:58
nixternalI can't even remove it, this is silly01:59
nixternallet me try a silly trick01:59
jdongthat's hilarious01:59
jdongtried that :D01:59
nixternalYou are not allowed to delete attachments on this page.01:59
nixternalsilly trick01:59
nixternalhahaha ya01:59
nixternalOK, this is seriously stupid01:59
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LaserJockajmitch: people blog about that? :-)02:11
LaserJockoh geeze, that weirdo from ChiTown is at it again ;-)02:12
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crimsunRE: jono's email: getting people isn't going to help if we don't train them.02:18
ajmitchwhich email was this, crimsun ?02:19
ajmitchah I see it now02:20
LaserJockcrimsun: I agree02:21
LaserJockhaving people flailing around doesn't really help a lot of the time02:22
ajmitchwe've often had a number of people wanting to help in some way02:22
LaserJockwe probably scare quite a few off02:22
crimsunthe rather significant time investment shouldn't be seen as a crutch, though. There should be a way to turn it into a point of pride.02:22
ajmitchI see he wants to help define direction02:22
ajmitchbut in what way?02:22
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LaserJockwell, I think he's wanting discussion02:23
Fujitsuajmitch, LaserJock: (re SchoolTool) There are no release plans at this time. There is unlikely to be a release for at least another year or so at least. I'd recommend demotion or removal.02:25
LaserJockpeople will certainly complain02:25
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ajmitchbut nothing can be done02:26
bddebianWhat'd I miss now?02:26
ajmitchyou've been promoted as head MOTU02:26
bddebianNow, seriously02:27
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FujitsuAnybody know if/how dual-head works on i810-modesetting at the moment?03:18
jdongsounds sexy.03:26
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crimsunFujitsu: a rebuild of Debian experimental's source package against Ubuntu Feisty's current archive works.03:31
crimsunit should be synced this week as the driver build portion of the X.Org 7.2 transition.03:31
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FujitsuWhich source package? i810-modesetting?03:31
crimsunI've been providing a package (built against the older xorg-server) on tiber03:32
FujitsuThat's the one I've got.03:32
crimsunhow does it fare on your hardware?03:32
FujitsuIf I rebuild it, won't I still need a new xrandr to do the magic?03:32
crimsunwell, the magic needs xorg-server to be recompiled with the newer xrandr support enabled03:33
FujitsuAh, I presumed it was already.03:33
FujitsuThanks for the clarification.03:34
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FujitsuIs changelogs.ubuntu.com inaccessible for anybody else?03:39
ajmitchgiven that people.u.c is also inaccessible, I'd say there could be some issues03:39
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FujitsuI'd say so.03:41
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nixternaldpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address04:33
nixternalhow do I go about fixing that error?04:33
nixternalI have just noticed this one pop up recently04:33
RAOFnixternal: You want to check out the DebianMaintainerField spec.04:33
nixternalthanks RAOF 04:34
RAOFBasically, you need to use an Ubuntu associated address for the maintainer field if you make changes.04:34
RAOFThe wiki page suggests a default (something like motu@ubuntu.com, but that's not it) if you don't have, or don't want to use, your own @ubuntu address.04:35
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nixternalOK, fixed that, thanks again RAOF!04:42
nixternaloutdated-autotools-helper-file config.guess 2003-01-1004:42
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theCorefixed a bug in Compiz05:24
RAOFWant to fix compiz-extra FTBFS?  If not, I'll do it as soon as I get internet at home again :)05:25
theCorewell in fact, no. I fixed a bug in the `desktop-effect'05:25
RAOFWell, that's also good.05:25
RAOFThe "desktops on cube" button not working?05:25
RAOFThus droping the desktop-effects bug count to 3, I think.05:26
RAOFOf which, at least a couple are wishlist.05:26
theCorebut ouch, my head hurt now. Coding in C is painful  05:26
RAOFWhy is desktop-effects coded in C?05:27
RAOFSurely you could *rewrite* it in Python in the same time it would take to fix a single bug?05:27
RAOFMaybe Gnome should have a "Configuration capplets may not be written in C" policy :)05:28
theCorelol, but I don't think a Python version would be really better or worth the effort  05:28
RAOFWell, no.05:28
theCorewell, it's Red Hat who wrote it05:28
RAOFBut it's such a trivial program.  Why would you even consider using C for something as simple?05:28
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theCorebecause it's fun?05:29
RAOF...until you try to fix the bugs in it? :P05:29
RAOFAnyway, kudos.05:30
theCorewell, the bug wasn't hard to fix05:30
RAOFExcept that it was in C?05:31
theCoreand the overuse of * -> and .05:32
RAOFAh, in the days before managed memory...05:32
FujitsutheCore: Wasn't that bug filed like 2 hours ago?05:35
theCoreFujitsu: I don't know05:35
FujitsuFiled 1 hour 40 minutes ago... Nice quick fix :)05:37
theCorebug #?05:38
Fujitsubug #8978605:39
UbugtuMalone bug 89786 in desktop-effects "Desktop-effect does not enable cube" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8978605:39
theCoreyes, that's the one. I think05:40
LaserJockRAOF: some people still like those "good old days"05:41
ajmitchback in my day, we didn't have these fancy things05:43
FujitsuGood old i386 assembly.05:43
LaserJockI seem to be going back in time :/05:43
ajmitchflat memory model! luxury!05:43
RAOFYeah, there's something pleasantly macho about C programming sometimes.05:43
LaserJocksometimes the speed is worth it05:44
RAOFPlus, you get to do some cool stuff.05:44
LaserJockmost of the coding in my field is Fortran still05:44
RAOFAaah, the good *ooooold* days.05:44
LaserJockone of my profs even does this new fangled Fortran90 stuff05:44
LaserJockbut we like the old school Fortran better ;-)05:45
LaserJocknow I tend to use python wrappers for the fortran and C stuff05:46
theCorewhat I hate of C is that it is hard to see the flow of the data05:46
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RAOFThat's because data doesn't flow in C.  Functions just touch it in strange and inappropriate ways :)05:47
theCoreI also hate all the side-effects of assignment05:47
FujitsuDad uses Fortran for a fair bit of stuff.... Mostly Fortran77, I think.05:47
theCoreeh, Fortran 05:47
theCoreat least, it isfast05:47
LaserJockyeah, I was just working on some numerical solutions to differential equations05:48
LaserJockto fit some kinetic models of my laser blasting some molecules ;-)05:48
LaserJockall Fortran, even the plotting05:48
theCorethat's cool05:48
theCoreat least, to hear about :)05:48
=== robitaille also spend his days coding in Fortran...
robitaillebut I don't blasts molecules05:49
Fujitsurobitaille, what do you do with it?05:51
robitailleI work on large-scale climate models    http://www.cccma.ec.gc.ca/05:52
LaserJockohh, nifty05:52
robitailleit's all Fortran.  Mostly fortran 77...a bit  of fortran 9005:52
theCoreI wonder if Fortress will get popular in the scientific community ...05:53
FujitsuMeteorology is what my father does, though it's mostly processing of satellite data.05:53
theCoreit is Sun answer to Fortran, and it's GPLed!05:53
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FujitsuSun does seem to be doing the whole GPL thing a lot lately.05:54
theCoreSun is really trying to appeal the free software community 05:54
robitaillenever heard on Fortress.    We mostly work on IBM Aix supercomputers, and they provide are generally pretty good.05:54
theCoreJava, Solaris, Fortress ...05:54
LaserJockI honestly don't know if Fortress would catch on05:54
LaserJockI'm hoping for python to take over Fortran ;-)05:54
LaserJockthat's what I use now05:55
theCorerobitaille: http://fortress.sunsource.net/05:55
RAOFSounds good.05:55
theCoreoh, I was wrong05:55
theCoreit uses the BSD license05:56
robitailletheCore:  thanks.  05:56
theCoreSun is certainly not kidding with this language. Guy Steele Jr. is on it05:57
theCorerobitaille: you may want to look at the research page too : http://research.sun.com/projects/plrg/05:58
robitailletheCore:  the thing is...our main app have 100,000 lines of code, and some of it is decade old.  I don't see us ever switching away from Fortran.  Scientists are quite conservative :)05:59
theCore"Fortress `loops' are parallel by default" -- crazy!06:00
theCorerobitaille: yeah, I know. I think they are targeting people who builds new applications06:00
LaserJockrobitaille: I totally know what you mean06:00
LaserJockrobitaille: our data acquisition program is C and must be 10-15 years old06:01
LaserJockwe just keep modifying it as needed06:01
robitailleI always laugh when I see some code we use and  the earliest date in the comments go back to the early 1980s.06:03
theCorethe really crazy thing about Fortress is they use mathematical notation with Unicode for expressing programs  06:03
LaserJockrobitaille: wow, yours has comments?!? :-)06:04
robitailleWell...the name of the first author, and a 3-4 words description.  We are generally pretty bad at comments.06:05
ajmitchback in LaserJock's day they didn't even have variables, let alone comments!06:05
LaserJockmine has probably a few thousand lines of code and basically no comments06:05
LaserJockevery time we get a new oscilloscope we have to rewrite it06:05
LaserJockand it requires a 2.4 kernel06:06
theCoreoh, I see the fun06:07
ajmitchugh, there's a MOTU meeting this week, isn't there?06:09
LaserJockwe should invite Jono06:09
robitailleajmitch: I can quietly delete it from the Fridge if you don't want it to occur :)  06:10
HobbseeLaserJock: read motu ML.  just did06:10
Hobbseerobitaille: *grin*06:10
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FujitsuWhat time is it?06:10
ajmitch7am on the 7th for you06:11
LaserJockdecent time :-)06:11
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FujitsuLaserJock: ?06:19
LaserJockyou AU/NZ have no "take one for the team" attitude ;-)06:20
LaserJockthe comments ^^06:20
theCoreBug #8978606:25
UbugtuMalone bug 89786 in desktop-effects "Desktop-effect does not enable cube" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8978606:25
theCoreI added the patch06:25
Fujitsudesktop-effects | 0.7.1-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages06:27
theCoreshould I send the bug upstream?06:27
FujitsuNote the main, theCore.06:27
FujitsuThat is a possibility, yes.06:28
FujitsuProbably the best idea.06:28
theCoreI wonder where is upstream though...06:29
theCoreRed Had?06:29
theCoreRed Hat*06:29
theCoreor GNOME?06:29
FujitsuUpstream Author: Fedora Project06:30
Fujitsu(from debian/copyright)06:30
FujitsuBest to look in their BTS, I would guess.06:31
jdongit's Fedora's applet :)06:31
ajmitchLaserJock: of course we do06:35
ajmitchLaserJock: we delegate it out to someone like Hobbsee 06:35
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Fujitsu...who then delegates it to her minions.06:35
=== ajmitch doesn't need to be at the meeting anyway
Hobbseeajmitch: rubbish.06:35
HobbseeFujitsu: *exactly*06:35
=== Hobbsee delegates to Fujitsu
ajmitchHobbsee: rubbish?06:35
=== Fujitsu begrudgingly takes whatever task was delegated to him. You just can't argue with Hobbsee.
Hobbseeajmitch: you dont need to delegate to me06:38
ajmitchoh I do06:41
ajmitchI'll be at work, maybe in a meeting at that time06:41
ajmitchbye hobbsee...06:42
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jdongheh, ironpython... how amusing06:46
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jdongtoo bad it has several embedded os.system() calls that don't work in ipy.... :(06:46
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jdongtheCore: btw, I'm more than completely confident that Fedora desktop-effects does not suffer from our cube bug06:47
theCorejdong: hmm, then should we add it as a debian patch ?06:48
jdongtheCore: yeah, I'd say so06:48
jdongtheCore: I used rawhide the other day ,and desktop effects activated as advertised....06:48
jdongso it must be something about our Compiz's default config?06:48
theCoremaybe 06:49
jdongthanks for looking into that :)06:49
theCoreI could do the debian patch, but I am not sure if I fixed the bug "the right way" 06:50
theCoremy patch make desktop-effects changes the number of workspace to one when Compiz is enabled 06:51
jdongtheCore: you mean when cube is checked, right?06:51
theCoreno, also when it's unchecked06:52
jdongbut theCore , that's correct behavior IMO.... 1 desktop with 4-sided viewport.06:52
theCorewell, no06:52
jdongtheCore: it sounds fine to me....06:52
theCorethe two conflicts06:52
jdongset /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize=4, right?06:53
theCoreso, you end up with a cube per workspace06:53
jdongand then n_o_d to 106:53
theCore(an hypercube :)06:53
jdongwell to me it looks like it works just fine06:53
jdongeverything behaves as expected06:54
jdongunchecking cube goes to the typical slide-behavior06:54
jdongit's defintiely better than the unfixed behavior ;-)06:54
theCoremaybe I should take a video of my hypercube ...06:55
theCoreit kinda weirds, though 06:55
theCoreme, the cube functionality works perfectly fine, except that I got an hypercube06:56
jdongwhy do you have a hypercube?06:57
Lathiatmmm hypercube06:57
jdongI set hsize=4 and ndesktops=1 and get a normal cube....06:57
jdongnot saying that a hypercube wouldn't be fascinating06:57
RAOFCan't you just set n_o_d to 1 and hsize to 4 when you select "cube" and change them back when unselecting cube?06:57
theCoreI got a cube per workspace06:57
jdongRAOF: no real need to set them back06:57
jdongtheCore: did you set ndesktops=106:57
RAOFIt's not really a hypercube.  There are only 4 of them :P06:57
RAOFjdong: But if you leave n_o_d at 1, doesn't it break the Gnome-panel desktop switcher applet thingy?06:58
jdongRAOF: nope06:58
jdongRAOF: it works just fine even when cube is off06:58
=== theCore crank up the number of workspace
RAOFOh, cool.  That's been fixed behind my back then :)06:58
jdongRAOF: you simply get a slide rather than a fade effect06:59
jdongOH DEAR GOD06:59
jdongI set n_o_d=406:59
jdongand got that hypercube effect06:59
jdonggeez that's weird06:59
FujitsuWhat's the hypercube?07:00
jdongFujitsu: each workspace is a cube07:00
theCoreAHH, my system is breaking apart ....07:00
jdongFujitsu: so you get 4 desktops of 4 cubes each07:00
jdongFujitsu: very confusing to use, in other words :)07:00
theCore"This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed"07:00
FujitsuYou only see one cube at a time?07:00
jdongFujitsu: right07:00
jdongFujitsu: but if you flip to another desktop you can manipulate to a totally different cube07:01
jdongwith nothing on it07:01
jdongI had to put tomboy notes with numbers07:01
jdongto make sense07:01
jdongof what's going on07:01
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theCoreok, setting n_o_d to four, when you already got the hypercube, is bad ...07:01
=== LaserJock grins and remembers why he doesn't run that stuff :-)
jdongLaserJock: but this is so mathematically intriguing07:02
jdonghmm, what's the rate of change of surface area as you add the n+1th desktop?07:03
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jdongLaserJock: I'm sure you can form a benzene ring of desktops07:03
jdongand have various apps be the electrons07:03
jdongbetcha can't catch them :D07:03
LaserJockbut what desktop does the app live on?07:03
RAOFIt doesn't, obviously.07:04
RAOFWell, some will.07:04
jdongLaserJock: shroedinger will tell you none. :)07:04
RAOFBut the conjugate apps will just kinda be there :)07:04
LaserJockI know!!!07:04
jdongis that like emacs and vim?07:04
LaserJocksquare it!07:04
jdongconjugate apps? :D07:04
LaserJockthen it will be come a real app!07:04
jdongLaserJock: no, you get 2 real and 2 more imaginary apps :)07:05
RAOFSurely that will only collapse the waveform and stick it on a particular desktop?07:05
theCore(my Emacs detector tingled)07:05
LaserJockeigen desktops?07:05
FujitsuLaserJock: Hahah.07:05
LaserJockahhhh, the nerd's life :-)07:05
RAOFThe desktop isn't an object itself; more it is a filter on the measure-space of application positions :P07:05
LaserJockI just think we need to come up with a formulation of the workspace-desktop duality07:06
LaserJockis it a desktop?07:07
FujitsuWorkspace-desktop duality. I like it.07:07
LaserJockis it a workspace?07:07
LaserJockit's both simultaneously07:07
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FujitsuUntil you look at it!07:07
theCorea surface?07:07
theCorea plane?07:07
theCorea cube side?07:07
theCorea hypercube side?07:08
RAOFFujitsu: No, you can simultaneously measure it's workspace and desktop qualities, if you do so carefully :)07:08
LaserJockbut where does Heisenburg fit in here?07:08
FujitsuRAOF: Impossible!07:08
FujitsuLaserJock: That's what we can't determine. Where it fits.07:08
LaserJockthe more accurately you know what workspace you are on the less accurately know what app is on that workspace?07:09
RAOFFujitsu: I quote "New Scientist" from a couple of weeks ago: "The experiment seems to overthrow the desktop or workspace principle, and the apparatus appears capable of measuring both simultaneously"07:09
=== theCore wonders what Heisenburg did again...
FujitsuRAOF: Whatever you say :P07:10
FujitsutheCore: The uncertainty principal.07:10
theCoreah the uncertainty!07:10
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theCoreFujitsu: ah, your faster than my brain 07:10
theCore(maybe, I am just too tired...)07:10
theCoreok, enough cubes for today. I don't want to get lost in the hyper-dimensional space during my dreams tonight 07:12
theCoreok, this comic made me laugh, I am really too tired07:14
theCoregood bye, all07:14
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dholbachgood morning07:45
FujitsuHi dholbach.07:45
dholbachhi Fujitsu07:45
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[StingRay] Hi all, dappers gs-esp is broken. I made a source install of 8.54-gpl and now all is fine. I want to make a deb package out of the source with pbuilder. I have it installed. I have a question: In the howto it says - sudo pbuilder build *.dsc Where do I get the dsc from (apt-get source gs-esp???)09:38
[StingRay] I am willing to help others too by building this package.09:38
Lutin[StingRay] : what's borken in this package ?09:39
[StingRay] Lutin, fonts...and some printer problems with Konika Minolta 1400W09:40
[StingRay] If I print Courier New (from wine) I get half characters...09:40
[StingRay] I used a 7.07 deb file but I makes other problems...09:40
[StingRay] I built 8.54 gpl from source and now all is just fine09:40
Lutin[StingRay] : does the edgy version work fine ?09:41
[StingRay] I had visual defects on OO and Micorosft office09:41
[StingRay] as for the fonts yes...but cannot tell if the visual problems with OO and the printing problems with KM1400W are there (did not test...)09:42
Lutinok :/. because I highly doubt that putting a new version in dapper is possible. i'm no muto though09:43
[StingRay] Can you help me in my builiding problem... :/09:43
[StingRay] I am too new09:43
[StingRay] I don't want to build this from source on all my future machines...09:44
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Lutinyou can apt-get source it, replace the sources, add a nentry in the changelog and then run debuild -S -sa09:46
Lutinand then you'll be able to run pbuilder :)09:48
[StingRay] So I replace the original gs-esp 8.15.2...tar.gz with gs-esp 8.54....tar.gz. Then I place the gs-esp 8.15.2 in the same dir and start "debuild -S -sa", right? (Should I tar my compilation directory, where the makefile is???)09:48
[StingRay] Sorry for my newbiesh knowledge09:49
[StingRay] gs-esp 8.15.2....dsc I meant09:49
Lutinbasically, you have to replace the odl tar by the new one, replace the old sources by the new ones09:49
Lutinrename the source folder to match the new source version09:50
Lutinand add in entry in debian/changelog to match that version change; then go in the source folder and run debuild ;)09:51
[StingRay] I will start right now09:51
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[StingRay] Lutin, what do you call the changelog? The dsc file?09:52
Lutin[StingRay] : non, then source_dir/debian/changelog file09:53
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[StingRay] Lutin, I edited the /8.15.2/debian/changelog. Now I have to do this, right (please check it, I am afraid I will break something): 1# tar xvzpf 8.54-gpl...tar.gz ; 2#mv 8.15.2/ 8.54/ ; 3# cp 8.54-gpl../ 8.54/ -r ; 4#cd 8.54 ; 5#debuild -S -sa ;6#??? (sudo pbuilder build *.dsc). 10:02
Lutinnot sure I understand everything, so here's what I think you need to do: 1# mv 8.15.2 8.54; 2# del all the source files in this folder and replace with your new version sources; 3# remove the previous orig tarball and replace it by a tarball source that you name gs-esp_8.54.orig.tar.gz; 4# go in the source folder and run debuild; 5# run pbuilder10:05
Lutinwell, gotta leave. see you later :)10:09
[StingRay] you mean delete everything, but the debian/ folder10:09
[StingRay] Lutin, bye , thanks for the help10:10
Lutin[StingRay] : debian/ is not 'sources files' ;)10:10
Lutinand indeed, you have to keep it otherwise there's not point in trying to build a package :)10:10
Lutinsee you10:10
[StingRay] Bye10:10
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AstralJavadholbach: Hi there. How're things?10:32
dholbachAstralJava: hi, busy busy.10:33
dholbachAstralJava: how 'bout you?10:33
AstralJavaJust fine, thanks. :)10:33
AstralJavaWas wondering if you've had time to check up on that weird error with the US-look thingie?10:34
AstralJavaI can't seem to make progress with it.10:34
dholbachI have no idea about how themes work internally10:36
dholbachplease write to ubuntu-art@10:36
AstralJavaOh alright.10:36
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dholbachubuntustudio-look and oransun-look on revu need reviewing - they're both targetted for NewPackagesFreezeUniverse exceptions11:21
crimsunI need to finish sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c fixes first, though.11:22
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dholbachtake your time, I'll check them first11:22
dholbachjust starting11:22
dholbachcrimsun: only ubuntustudio-look seems to be 'ready' - i checked all the other *ubuntustudio* packages too11:32
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stgraberhi \sh shawarma 11:59
shawarmastgraber: Did you notice the new network-manager-openvpn packages?11:59
crimsunstgraber: I've committed the fix for 88400, but I can't test it locally11:59
crimsununfortunately it's dependent on quite a bit more code12:00
stgrabershawarma: yes, but it hasn't reached archive.u.c for now12:00
\shopps...need to write a new UVF for 0.9.32 wine12:01
shawarmastgraber: I saw it there just a few minutes ago..12:01
shawarmastgraber: unless you're on sparc, of course.12:02
shawarmastgraber: It seems sparc builds are lagging for some reason.12:02
stgrabershawarma: ok, seems to be in now (it wasn't 15 minutes ago)12:02
shawarmastgraber: Oh, ok.12:02
stgrabercrimsun: ok, fine. For now I use -8 to have sound working. Let me know if I there is a way I can test your patch.12:06
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zorglu_q. anybody knows a package using /etc/init.d script launching a deamon with some options ? i got one to write and apparently i got trouble with the usual start-stop-daemon --stop 12:25
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crimsunsure, look at openvpn.12:25
zorglu_aka the start-stop-daemon doesnt find the deamon running, while it is running and /var/run/pid is ok12:25
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zorglu_crimsun: thanks lookin12:26
crimsungood golly, this patch is fearsome12:26
crimsun 1 file changed, 509 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)12:26
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zorglu_hmm openvpn doesnt use start-stop-daemon, this may be the trick :)12:31
zorglu_hmm ok i miss something --stop -name mydeamon failed, if the mydaemon has been launched with cmdline option12:36
zorglu_but --exec mydaemonpath works12:36
zorglu_but cool now it works :) 'solution' copied from sysklogd12:37
zorglu_ok i know why now :)12:39
zorglu_it is due to the length of the executable name :)))))))12:39
zorglu_ /proc/pid/stat truncates it 12:39
zorglu_and --name use /proc/pid/stat12:39
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aboeI got a question about a universe package, sylpheed-claws-gtk201:24
aboewhat has to be done to upgrade this to a newer version?01:25
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Ursinhahi all01:53
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Ursinhai don't know exactly where to ask, but where can i find the reasons for packages to be discontinued?01:54
HobbseeUrsinha: which package?01:54
Hobbseeusually debian has01:54
UrsinhaHobbsee, now i'm looking for webmin01:54
Ursinhabut i saw last version was to breezy01:54
Hobbseedebian took it out of their archive, so we did.   you'd have to check packages.debian.org01:55
Ursinhahm, okay01:55
Ursinhaso actually there's no package for it today?01:55
Hobbseewell, the breezy one has a source for it, so it does exist.  effectively, you're correct01:56
Ursinhahmm.. i see... can i download the source, update the package with the new version of it and submit it again to ubuntu? is there a process for it?01:57
StevenKOh no. Oh no.01:57
StevenKwebmin has left and stay the hell out01:57
StevenKs/and/and can/01:57
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% madison-lite webmin-core01:58
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% 01:58
StevenKThat ^ pleases me, and I'd like it to stay that way.01:58
StevenKUrsinha: As for the reason, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=34389702:00
UbugtuDebian bug 343897 in ftp.debian.org "ftp.debian.org: Please remove all webmin related packages" [Wishlist,Closed]  02:00
StevenKWe would have followed suit after Debian.02:00
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Ursinhaokay, thanks StevenK 02:15
fernandohey all02:18
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tepsipakkiSeveas: ping, falcon02:21
tepsipakkiSeveas: do you have a version for Feisty available?02:22
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xerxasHi all03:38
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bddebianheya gang03:52
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renderguyAfternoon, anyone know if 'persia' hangs-out here ?03:55
bddebianHe has in the past, I haven't "seen" him lately though03:56
renderguybddebian: Thanks, any idea where he hangs-out now?03:56
bddebianUnfortunately I don't, sorry03:56
renderguybddebian: NP, thanks for the help anyway.03:57
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cbx33any c   devs here04:49
cbx33that is cplus plus04:49
cbx33damn cgi-irc04:49
cbx33i just need a little help with ifstream04:49
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bddebianHeya LaserJock04:54
LaserJockhi bddebian 04:54
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cbx33LaserJock: ??04:57
LaserJockcbx33: what?04:59
bddebianLaserJock: Hey it looks like plotdrop 0.51 in upstream would probably fix the about dialog problem :-)04:59
LaserJockthere's an about dialog problem?05:00
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imbrandonwoot, ppc buildd is in the rack and ip'd , wont be long and it will be ready05:00
bddebianLaserJock: Don't you read your own bug list? ;-)05:00
LaserJockimbrandon: cool05:00
LaserJockbddebian: I thought I got everything as email, guess not05:00
imbrandonthat means the only arch i'm missing now is the x86_6405:01
bddebianLaserJock: Bug #8692205:01
UbugtuMalone bug 86922 in plotdrop "Close button in About dialog does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8692205:01
LaserJockmy first LP bug has just been marked "Fix Released"05:02
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LaserJockthey just ripped out the component I filed the bug against :-)05:02
cbx33I GIVE UP I GIVE UP05:03
LaserJock"Fixed by removing the access to the calendar application."05:03
bddebiancbx33: Welcome to the club man :'-(05:03
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zulcbx33: whats the problem?05:06
cbx33I'm writing a simple progressive file loader05:06
cbx33I'm VERY new to c  05:06
cbx33that is cplusplus05:07
cbx33damn cgi-irc05:07
theCorea progressive file loader?05:07
theCorecbx33: btw, C++ isn't C05:07
cbx33basically the file is opened on line 4805:07
cbx33I know05:07
bddebianNot even close :)05:07
cbx33cgiirc...won;t let me send a plus symbol through05:07
cbx33c  05:07
zulyeah I dont know anything about c++ though :)05:08
bddebiancbx33: So get xchat man.. ;-)05:08
cbx33I can't from work05:08
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cbx33PORT 6667 IS BLOCKED05:08
imbrandonssh tunnels ftw05:09
theCorecbx33: your program is leaking05:09
cbx33I'm sure it is05:09
theCoreyou need to free resources, after using them05:09
cbx33i know05:09
cbx33I havn't got that far05:09
cbx33my problem is after opening the file on line 4805:10
cbx33i try to read from it on line 10605:10
cbx33but thefile object is....kinda dead05:10
zulheh you should be working at work not chatting..05:10
cbx33lunch break05:10
zuloh the irony in that statement05:10
cbx33plus I run some ubuntu boxen....so..i get a little help ;)05:10
cbx33theCore, what have I done wrong....any ideas?05:11
theCorecbx33: hmm... you declared file as private05:11
theCoreso, I think this why you can't access its value05:11
cbx33private means it can't be acessed outside of the class05:12
cbx33doesn't it?05:12
theCoremaybe, I don't know05:12
theCoreI don't code in C++05:12
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cbx33I'll bb later05:15
theCoregood, now I fixed compiz, too05:23
imbrandonit can be fixed? what did you do fallback to kwin/metacity ?05:24
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theCoreimbrandon: hehe05:32
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theCorehi jdong05:32
jdonghi theCore 05:32
theCorebug 88490 was in fact a bug in compiz' package 05:33
UbugtuMalone bug 88490 in compiz "Rhythmbox doesn't show its window anymore when desktop effects are enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8849005:33
theCoreoops, not this one05:33
theCoreBug #8978605:33
UbugtuMalone bug 89786 in compiz "Desktop-effect does not enable cube" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8978605:33
theCoreah, that the one05:33
jdongtheCore: cool, well that shifts some blame and ugly patching away from desktop-effects :D05:34
theCoreand my patch fixes the bug I introduced by fixing this bug :)05:34
theCoreyeah, it's ugly05:34
theCorebut less ugly than a hypercube05:35
jdongtry explaining the hypercube desktop to Grandma :D05:35
theCorehmm.... I am getting weird message from the kernel05:37
theCoreMessage from syslogd@helios at Mon Mar  5 11:19:56 2007 ...05:37
theCorehelios kernel: [ 2831.536000]  Using specific hotkey driver05:37
theCorebah, nevermind05:37
theCoreit's probably just a side-effects of the dist-upgrade I just did05:38
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theCorejdong, oh you're from MIT?05:41
theCorelucky one :)05:41
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jdong_theCore: how'd you know? :D05:45
jdong_is my IP showing?05:45
theCore--> jdong_ (n=jdong@STRATTON-SEVEN-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU) has joined #ubuntu-motu05:45
jdong_wow that's privacy invasion05:46
jdong_you even got my building and room number :D05:46
theCorecan I ask I question?05:46
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theCorewhat is Athena?05:46
jdong_theCore: that's our campus computing environment05:47
jdong_it's a bunch of Solaris and Linux machines05:47
jdong_running OpenAFS file storage05:47
jdong_Kerberos authentication05:47
jdong_GNOME 2.8-ish desktop, etc05:47
jdong_all of our general-purpose public computers are *nix-powered05:47
theCorethat simple? *sigh* I was hoping that it was something like Skynet :P 05:48
jdong_unfortunately not :D05:48
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jdong_theCore: I guess it's lost some bleeding-edgeness since it first was started :D05:49
jdong_heck *nix GUI ancestry basically all traces down to Project Athena....05:50
theCorejdong_: eh, at least they run Emacs :P  05:50
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jdong_theCore: alias emacs="add vim && vim"05:50
theCoreM-x all-hails-emacs05:51
theCoreI am way too dedicated to this editor05:51
imbrandonnano ftw05:52
Ursinhajdong, hahahahahahah05:53
bddebianwtf is ftw?05:53
theCorefor the win05:53
theCoreI think05:53
imbrandonfor the win05:53
theCoreed ftw!05:54
theCorethe standard Unix editor05:54
bddebianUgh, that's worse than vi :)05:54
theCore^ ed user-interface05:55
LaserJocked is considered to have a user-interface?05:55
LaserJocknews to me05:55
jdong_eth1      IEEE 802.11a  ESSID:"MIT"  Nickname:"MIT"05:56
jdong_weird, it's 802.11A05:56
jdong_never thought I'd meet an 802.11A AP in person...05:57
theCoreI always find interesting that people have found an even worse editor than ed05:57
theCorecat << EOF  is way too popular05:57
jdong_^^ HUH?05:58
jdong_success? :D05:58
theCoreI like the one with the Windows key better :) 05:59
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jdong_that was a ghost05:59
theCorejdong: at least at MIT, they make great textbooks 06:01
bddebianLaserJock: You run OSX on something right?06:01
jdongI still havne't had a chance to read SICP yet06:01
jdongI really want to06:02
theCoreI'm thinking of SICP, and Intro. to Algorithms06:02
theCorejdong: well, it's free online06:02
bddebianI've heard of TAoCP but what is SICP?06:02
theCorebut I got my hard copy06:02
jdongtheCore: my CS course now is taught by Hal Abelson06:02
jdongso I get to see him in person :D06:02
theCoreStructure and Interpretation of Computer Programs06:03
jdongbddebian: Structure & Interpretation of Computer PRograms06:03
theCorejdong: eh, lucky :)06:03
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theCoreI think they are switching 6.001 from Scheme to Python, though  06:04
theCoreI wonder if it's a good thing or not06:04
jdongtheCore: 6.081, taking it :)06:05
jdongtheCore: it's a Python hands-on oriented class06:05
LaserJockbddebian: yeah, I have an intel iMac at work06:05
jdongtheCore: with a smaller Scheme component (6.188)06:05
bddebianLaserJock: Does OSX use glibc or another C lib?06:05
theCorejdong: oh, nice06:06
theCore*sigh* maybe I should stop dreaming06:06
LaserJockbddebian: well, it's BSD based, I'm not positive but I think it might be different06:06
jdongtheCore: speaking of that I have a scheme assignment I need to do for tomorrow :D06:06
shawarmaWho reviews Summer of Code applications for Ubuntu?06:06
bddebianLaserJock: BSD based? I thought it was Mach based?  Or do you mean the userland stuff?06:07
LaserJockbddebian: yes06:07
LaserJockuserland stuff06:07
bddebianAh, OK, thx06:07
jdongLaserJock: is it better than Vista SUA? :D06:07
LaserJockjdong: OS X?06:07
jdongwhich... actually ain't half bad for a UNIX environment06:07
jdongLaserJock: lol it was a joke :)06:08
imbrandonthe kernel is mach+bsd the userland is bsd06:08
LaserJockjdong: I haven't seen Vista yet but I can't imagine it being anything I'd like06:08
imbrandonbddebian, the kernel is mach+bsd the userland is bsd06:08
bddebianIt's Windows XP made "Pretty" like MockOS ;-P06:08
bddebianimbrandon: Aye, thx06:08
jdongLaserJock: for the times I use it, I start up tcsh full screen and try to tune out the rest :)06:08
jdongbddebian: you mean machOS?06:08
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bddebianjdong: No, MockOS == Mac OS ;-P06:09
LaserJockjdong: it takes a little getting used to but I really like it06:09
imbrandonif i had to use tcsh i'd tune out the world too06:09
LaserJockjdong: if it was FLOSS I'd really have a hard time choosing between OS X and Ubuntu06:09
LaserJockI've not used tcsh before06:09
jdongLaserJock: yeah, that's for sure06:09
LaserJockjust bash and zsh06:09
jdongLaserJock: it's like LISP, only with semicolons not parentheses06:10
jdongand it tends to like beeping at you more than Jerry Springer06:10
LaserJockI need to figure out zsh better06:10
LaserJockI tried it a little bit and it's really pretty cool06:11
LaserJockI can see why theCore likes it06:11
jdongsomehow I still like bash more at this point06:11
LaserJockzsh+emacs = more power than I could ever know what to do with06:11
theCorethat's my combo, too06:12
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jdonggod those two together06:12
jdongis like playing mortal combat06:12
jdongyou keep on hitting random buttins06:12
jdongtill a special move happens06:13
jdongand you win :)06:13
LaserJockI liked that I could set up tab completion of users and machines06:15
LaserJockmade ssh'ing to lot of different machines nicer06:15
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theCorethe only thing that annoys me a bit about Zsh is that the tab-completion for APT is kinda slow06:18
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jdongok, xchat/gaim should really disconnect themselves on suspend... perhaps thru the help of networkmanager06:37
jdongIs this the line for the request-a-feature service? :D06:37
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theCorejdong: there's a networkmanager plugin included in xchat, no?06:39
theCorejdong: or, you could use the auto-away plugin06:40
jdongtheCore: xchat-gnome has one06:41
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lizardking_Hello. I have a question on REVU06:42
lizardking_I have done the modifed version descripted above. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4545 How I can now update the packge, without duplicate the oransun-look entries?06:42
bddebianWhoa, it's Jim Morrison! :-)06:42
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jdong_heh, nope06:42
jdong_it doesn't figure out when network connection goes down or back up06:43
bddebianlizardking_: If you re-upload it should overright the existing package, or am I missing something in your question?06:43
jdong_hmm, then what does it do? :D06:43
lizardking_bddebian: wonderful. I understand!you miss nothing06:43
bddebianGreat :)06:44
theCorejdong_: open your editor, go to xchat source, start hacking :)06:44
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jdong_that's such a hobbsee answer06:45
theCoredon't tell me, I will have to do it for you :P06:45
lizardking_bddebian: according to this http://rafb.net/p/Q7v4f059.html I inserted the GPL text in debian/copyright, remoevd the 0ubuntu1 from changelog. Should I add somthin more?06:45
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bddebianlizardking_: This is going to be a native package?06:47
lizardking_bddebian: mhh, I'm not sure of the word "native package". Could you explain more, please?06:47
theCoreeww... I just installed rpm06:48
bddebianlizardking_: Meaning it's "native" to Debian and/or Ubuntu, not maintained elsewhere06:48
lizardking_bddebian: ahhh. ok. I manained it on bzr and luanchpad. so internal in Ubuntu06:49
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bddebianlizardking_: OK, then dropping the -0ubuntu1 should be fine and you don't need an orig.tar.gz, just <package>_<version>.tar.gz06:51
theCoreI wonder if I installed Xen correctly... 07:00
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imbrandonpbuilders done, accounts made, ppc builder is online ( for those that care )07:04
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\shimbrandon, where? and what do I have to do to get an account? ,-)07:04
imbrandon\sh, just be a motu or core dev , i sync the accounts and keys from LP07:05
\shimbrandon, ah...so I can use my ssh key...07:05
imbrandoni sent an email last week about it to ubuntu-devel ;)07:05
imbrandonone sec07:05
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\shimbrandon, hehe...I need to read my mails from the last 3 weeks :(07:05
\shI'm really too busy 07:05
imbrandonintrepid.ubuntuwire.com is the ppc one, aurora.ubuntuwire.com is x86 and sparky.ubuntuwire.com is parc07:06
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imbrandonjust use your LP user07:06
imbrandonname and the key from your LP account is sync'd07:06
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theCoreof course, it failed miserably07:07
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\shimbrandon, cool...works like a charme...thx for this :)07:10
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LaserJockanybody know off hand if Dell optiplexs are better than dimensions?08:06
theCoreeh, I guess I should be more careful with my Windows install disks... I just found mine under my desk and it got a hole in it :P08:06
theCoreinterestingly, all my Linux install disks are intact08:08
LaserJockhmm, Labview doesn't work with Vista08:09
zulhey ajmitch 08:10
LaserJockwell, it just makes it harder because I need to buy a computer for Labview08:10
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LaserJockzul: hmm?08:14
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pirastlionel, ping08:16
imbrandonheya ajmitch 08:18
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LaserJockbah, stupid Dell08:26
tonyyarussowhat'd they do now?08:27
LaserJockI can only find like 1 or 2 computers that *don't* have Vista on them08:27
tonyyarussoOr just screw it and go system76.com08:28
tonyyarusso(There hasn't been a 6.06.2 yet has there?)08:29
LaserJockI need to get a Windows computer though08:29
imbrandontonyyarusso, no08:29
tonyyarussoLaserJock: eh?  why do you need windows?08:30
imbrandonLaserJock, your best bet is gonna be buy a system76 computer and then buy a retail xp 08:30
imbrandon( if you can still find a retail xp )08:30
tonyyarussoI think s76 even offers dual-boots, maybe08:30
LaserJocktonyyarusso: becuase I'm buying $2000-$3000 worth of Windows software that doesn't work with Vista08:30
imbrandonor go with apple + crossover mac ;)08:31
=== tonyyarusso has an XP key to spare, but it's OEM so not _technically_ legal to transfer
LaserJockimbrandon: a mac mini would be cool08:31
tonyyarussoActually, two keys08:31
imbrandonLaserJock, and they run winxp ;)08:31
imbrandonand crossover mac, and vmawre fusion , and osx, and they just rock08:32
LaserJockyeah, I'd have to buy XP though08:32
LaserJockwe could probably get it real cheap here though08:32
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LaserJockmight be able to use the site license, not sure08:32
imbrandonyea acidemic copy of xp pro shouldent be much08:32
imbrandon'less than 100 bux08:32
nixternalacademic copy of XP pro == $0 to the MSDN Academic Alliance08:33
imbrandonand then you would also have all the good ness of a mac mini 08:33
imbrandonand the minis start at about $700 too, cheap ;)08:33
nixternal$599 if you are a student :)08:33
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LaserJockI think maybe I'll just get the  Dell OptiPlex 745 for $120008:35
imbrandonand its not a hack, tripple boot is supported ;)08:35
imbrandonwe just bought about 40 of those for work08:35
imbrandonthey are crap and dont work with edgy08:35
LaserJockthat specific model?08:35
imbrandonthat exact model08:35
LaserJockwhat was crap about them other than they don't work with edgy?08:35
imbrandonthats what all our workstations at work are now, save 3 or 4 iMac's08:36
imbrandonwell if you run windows on them they have to have special dell only drivers for the video, then the edgy kernels panic on them too08:36
imbrandonand the slimline dvd try is crap on them too08:37
imbrandonalready broke one08:37
nixternalheh, the Dell slimline trays have always been garbage. I have broke a few in my dad08:37
nixternalnot a good beer holder08:37
nixternalerr, s/dad/day08:37
nixternalthat sounded, less than pleasant08:37
LaserJockI wonder if a 740 would be any better :/08:38
imbrandonfor that kinda money grab soemthing with osx on it ;)08:39
imbrandonthen load windows and linux ;)08:39
LaserJockI think I pretty much gotta go Dell08:39
nixternal$579 to be exact for a Mac Mini08:39
LaserJockmy boss does like macs08:40
nixternal$899 for a 17" iMac Core 208:40
bddebianWhy, it's a freakin' intel now.  Just run Darwin on the Dells ;-P08:40
tonyyarussoDo security-related updates for Dapper universe packages show up in the security or universe repo?  Would there be any real problem with having universe software installed by an OEM and then disabling the universe repo for the end user?08:41
LaserJockbddebian: the only dell I can buy is like $120008:41
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LaserJockbddebian: I can grab a mac mini for about half the price08:41
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imbrandonbddebian, and you dont get all the GUI goodness of osx + updates08:41
nixternalI think I will buy that Mac Mini this week. I like it08:41
imbrandonyea i've been eyeing the imacs08:42
bddebianLaserJock: How is that possible?  I can buy a Dell for like 499? :-)08:42
nixternalI am not a fan of OS X, but I have been wanting to play a little more with it08:42
nixternalbddebian: actually you can get them for $250 now :)08:42
imbrandonthe shitty low end ones, any dell worth having is $1000+08:43
nixternalanyone want to give a talk I am supposed to do tonight at the Court House?08:43
LaserJockbddebian: I have to have a Dell with XP08:43
LaserJockbddebian: I can get cheap ones, but they all have Vista08:43
nixternalI just hope this time at the court house I don't have to raise my right hand and swear in again :)08:43
LaserJockand are crap08:43
imbrandonnixternal, or cuffs08:44
nixternallol, true08:44
bddebianLaserJock: Ah :)08:44
nixternallast time I wore cuffs the cop let me fall flat on my face. you gotta hold up them drunks08:44
ajmitchnixternal: last time?08:44
nixternallol ya08:45
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nixternalNew Years 2000 or 200108:45
zulheh with the criminal record you shouldnt be able to get into canada ;)08:45
nixternalreminded me of the Ron White episode, I don't want to be drunk in public, I want to be drunk in bar08:45
ajmitchthey'd welcome him in australia then08:45
nixternalnothing more than a traffic ticket with a detour08:46
imbrandonron white rocks08:46
nixternalhellz ya08:46
nixternalthey call me tator salad08:46
imbrandonand his son, tater tot08:47
nixternalCanada has never stopped me. as a matter of fact I am going there in a couple of weeks again.08:47
nixternalhahaha tator tot!08:47
zulnixternal: heh that can change ;)08:47
tonyyarussoCanada's nice - I enjoyed it.08:47
nixternalCanada (Banff) is starting to look like a nice place to live08:47
nixternalI love Canada, especially the Rocky Mountain area that goes through Calgary08:48
nixternalerr, Alberta08:48
tonyyarussoI like the health care coverage concept08:48
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imbrandonyou just like cutiecoder nixternal 08:48
nixternalimbrandon: DIE!!!08:48
nixternalwtf, she is in virginia or something I thought08:48
tonyyarussoAlberta's sketchy politically though - you'd be better off going on the west slope of the mountains in BC08:48
imbrandoni thought she was in CA08:48
nixternalthere is no telling, that chick was nuts08:49
nixternaloh ya, she got busted in toronto, I remember her saying that08:49
nixternalI stayed out -offtopic hiding for the longest time08:49
nixternalyou have to admit though, the pics were nice ;p08:50
imbrandonhhahaha geek pr0n08:50
nixternalbetter than the bs you tricked me into and a month or so later I found out the truth08:50
nixternaland I couldn't handle it :)08:50
tonyyarussowhat on earth are you two talking about?08:50
imbrandonhey n ow she was/is nice ;)08:50
imbrandontonyyarusso, some women coders we've met that were lets say ummm nuts08:51
nixternaltop secret stuff imbrandon hazed me with last year08:51
nixternalI had to see a shrink after that ordeal08:51
nixternalelectro-shock therapy didn't even help08:51
nixternalnow everytime my cell phone goes off I drop to the floor crying08:51
ajmitchimbrandon: right08:52
LaserJocknixternal: just move to MT, we've got mountains, parks, militiamen, unibomer... the works08:54
imbrandonvegas ftw ;)08:54
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tonyyarussoWith a hundred miles of emptiness in between all of the above08:54
nixternalforget Vegas, my buddy had his wedding in MT years back, man it was awesome08:55
imbrandontonyyarusso, you forgot the word "few" as in few hundred miles08:55
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tonyyarussoimbrandon: right08:55
theCore_that is a rather interesting way to test the live cd....08:55
theCore_I run it within QEMU08:55
LaserJocknixternal: MT rocks dude, I so wish I could get back there08:55
nixternalfor (cpu = 0; cpu < infinity; cpu++)08:56
nixternalI wish that would work and make my puter faster08:56
LaserJockmaking fun of all the Canadians driving down to Arizona08:56
LaserJockdialup screaming fast (26.6kbs)08:56
LaserJockah, those were the days08:56
LaserJockmaking fun of Easterners (people from Chicago) ;-)08:57
theCorethere's way to many virtualization engines08:59
LaserJocknow I live in a crappy city with streat lights even :/08:59
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tsmithewell, "anywhere" in english terms09:00
tsmithe(ie 50 miles :P)09:00
nixternalI live 20mi due west of the city, I can see the Sears Tower from my bedroom window09:01
nixternalas well as all of that wonderful smog09:01
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LaserJocktsmithe: sometimes it depends on the definition of a city09:03
tsmithewell, does London count?09:04
LaserJockvery much so09:04
tsmithegood good09:04
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LaserJocklike sometimes I think about how close you are to a major sports team09:04
LaserJockor maybe a city with >500k people09:05
ajmitchLaserJock: that counts most of NZ out then09:06
LaserJockajmitch: I bet09:06
ajmitchI think we have 1 city > 500K09:06
zulLaserJock: the sheep outnumber the people in NZ09:06
imbrandoni live about 10 miles from arrowhead ( cheifs ) and coffman ( royals ) stadium's09:06
ajmitchsince wellington & christchurch are about 400K each09:06
LaserJockzul: the cows outnumber the people in MT, by I think 5:1 at least09:06
tsmitheimbrandon, i have no idea what kind of teams they are :P09:06
nixternalgahahaha zul!!!09:06
nixternalthe sheep outnumber the people09:06
nixternalto funny09:06
imbrandontsmithe, football and baseball09:07
ajmitchzul: they do in australia as well09:07
tsmithefootball as in that crappy american game where it's actually more like rugby, and there's very little actual foot involved? *that* football?09:07
imbrandontsmithe, thats the only football that exists09:07
zulfootball is boring09:08
tsmitheimbrandon, we invented "football"09:08
imbrandonother than some sisy childs game thats called soccer and EU mis says it09:08
imbrandonno you invented soccer, not football,  and then fsked up the translation ;)09:09
tsmithedon't be rediculous09:09
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tsmithecrap *ridiculous09:11
LaserJockhmm, I have no idea which had "football" first09:12
LaserJockfootball more accuratly describes soccer09:12
imbrandonfootball in EU is nothing more than a bad translation09:12
LaserJockbut what would we call football then?09:12
ajmitchno idea, it hardly rates as 'foot'ball09:13
tsmitheimbrandon, how is it a "bad translation"?09:14
tsmitheas i said, we invented the term, as being the purveyors of original english09:14
tsmithe"we" being the british09:14
imbrandontsmithe, when there is a word for your game called soccer and you translate it to football that means omething else09:14
imbrandonthus a bad translation09:14
tsmithewhen was it translated? a translation implies changing from one language to another...09:15
imbrandonyes , thus a en_UK and en_US translations ;)09:15
imbrandonthat is one lang to another, even though we have much in common they are diffrent09:15
imbrandonotherwise there wouldent be uk and us translations09:16
imbrandoncolor / colour , etc09:16
tsmitheahh - i thought you meant within english09:16
tsmithebritish english, that is09:16
tsmithebut we use the term "football" more than "soccer". people frown at you if you use the word "soccer"09:17
imbrandonsee and there they mean the same thing, here they do not09:17
tsmithethere was no translation on the british behalf :P09:17
tsmitheamericans just stole the word ;)09:17
imbrandoninfact soccer is just a childs game here09:17
imbrandonso no one even talks about it much at all 09:18
tsmithemaybe so... but it's still misleading when the term "football" is used on irc09:18
=== tsmithe wishes usa actually had a different language. america's nothing like britain (and not in a bad way, either)
imbrandonnot any more misleading than when i type color ;) your expecting me to speak UK english because its similar but thats not the case ;)09:19
tsmitheno - cos the word is similar enough and has the same meaning09:19
tsmitheit's when we have a similar word, or in this case identical, that has a completely different definition09:20
imbrandonright , but there is no color in UK but its acepted because you know i'm speaking us english, thus the same with football since it has two meanings09:20
tsmithei believe the term is "homonym"09:20
imbrandonhehe anyhow its all pointless09:21
tsmithestill confuses me, personally, at least, way more than "color". the word is too similar and too different :P09:21
tsmitheand it is very pointless haha09:21
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imbrandonya bloke ;)09:22
imbrandondont worry i give jono hell whenever i see him ( as he does with me ) , i think thats how i got the name "Redneck" from jono / riddell at UDS09:22
tsmithejdong... "bloke"!09:22
tsmitheimbrandon, hehe09:22
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imbrandonand another certain irishman ( *cough*cjwatson*cough* ) that familiarized that saying with another word inplace of "bloke" at the bar09:24
imbrandonwas totaly hilliarious though09:24
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nixternalIf you use Kubuntu on a machine that is powered by diesel fuel, you might be a redneck09:26
imbrandonout of skittles and mt dew, back in a bit, time to hit 7-1109:26
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LaserJocknixternal: what if the diesel fuel just powers the generator behind the outhouse?09:26
imbrandonto warm the seat09:27
nixternalthen you are po' white trash09:27
tonyyarussoyou still have a 7-11?09:27
imbrandonhey i grew up po' white trash ( still ahve some tendancies now and then hehe )09:27
nixternalour courthouse rocks. They have all Linux servers, and all of their kiosks are Ubuntu09:27
imbrandontonyyarusso, still ?09:27
tonyyarussoI haven't seen one of those for a long time09:28
LaserJockthey are all over the place here09:28
nixternalI plugged one in a month or so back while I was there, turned away for a minute and heard the familiar Ubuntu startup sound09:28
imbrandontonyyarusso, there is one on like every corner here, been ther for years09:28
LaserJockthe poor petty robbers would have nothing to knock over if it wasn't for 7-11s09:28
imbrandonand in reno too, and in texas , and lots of places09:28
tonyyarussoWe have SuperAmerica, but not much 7-1109:28
imbrandontonyyarusso, where09:28
nixternalnow I am going to give a talk to the local chamber of commerce on how Free Software can help them build the infrastructure they need09:28
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Minnesota09:29
imbrandonis there even gas staions there? /me stops09:29
ajmitchimbrandon: you, a redneck?09:29
nixternalheh, the Super Mall09:29
imbrandonajmitch,  nah never09:29
imbrandonbah i need to upgrade my wordpress tonight09:30
imbrandonfun fun fun09:30
tonyyarussoWe also have a lot of BPs, Holiday, Phillips 66, Conoco, Mobil09:30
imbrandonmaybe i should just write a cms in python 09:30
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Yeah, me too.  I had just finished the 2.1.1 when I heard about 2.1.209:30
imbrandonto use myself09:30
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imbrandonanyhow cant go without dew for long, brb09:31
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theCoreand xchat lefts the building ... 09:37
theCoreI am getting good at crashing programs09:38
ajmitchhi \sh 09:40
ajmitchuploaded wine yet?09:41
theCorejdong: still here?09:41
jdongtheCore: something like that :D09:41
=== imbrandon wonders why wine wont work on a ppc
ajmitchimbrandon: dunno :)09:41
jdongimbrandon: I just stocked up on 12 2-liters of Dew, so anytime you happen to be around Cambridge MA.....09:41
LaserJockwahoo, I love it when the boss has to blow grant money ... today09:42
ajmitchjdong: it'd be gone in about 10 minutes09:42
theCorejdong: I just want to let you know that I got a XChat that disconnects on suspend :)09:42
jdongis "grant money" a euphemism for the male.... never mind09:42
imbrandonLaserJock, new iMac ?09:42
tonyyarussojdong: You live by Click and Clack?09:42
LaserJockimbrandon: I went with a mac mini as my recommendataion09:42
imbrandonLaserJock, rockin09:42
jdongtonyyarusso: yeah I guess :)09:42
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LaserJockso it was a mac mini, Labview, GPIB-USB interface, DAQ interface, and an external 750GB drive for backup09:43
\shajmitch, approved now?09:43
=== jdong has thought of it as living in front of an egg factory.
jdongSiegel Eggs09:43
ajmitch\sh: yeah09:43
jdongthere it is09:44
jdongmy wonderful view09:44
jdongof an egg factory.09:44
Lutinif someone around has a sparc|ia64 box with a pbuilder on it, could you please try to build the files in http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/mlt ? that'd be great :)09:46
=== ajmitch wonders how slow imbrandon's sparc will be for building
Lutinajmitch: doesn't matter if it's slow :)09:48
ajmitchoh it does matter09:48
\shajmitch, ah cool09:48
ajmitchit may take a few hours :)09:48
\shajmitch, I wonder....do you have problems using deboostrap right now?09:48
\shW: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt09:48
ajmitch\sh: no idea, haven't used it lately09:48
ajmitchthat looks more like a proxy issue09:49
Lutinajmitch: I'm not in a hurry ;)09:49
\shI don't use a proxy :)09:49
\shapt-get update works like a charm09:50
\shhmmm..or is it umts...09:51
\shno..then apt-get update should also fail09:51
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imbrandon\sh i just used it a few hours ago building the ppc machine09:54
imbrandonbut i used my own mirror09:54
imbrandonLutin, are you a MOTU yet?09:54
imbrandonahh never mind, ajmitch is gonna try it09:55
=== ajmitch might try it
ajmitchif I can reach the server with the source09:55
cbx33c++ is getting easier09:55
imbrandonajmitch, you should be able to dget it from the server09:56
imbrandoni can get to it from here09:56
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ajmitchyeah, I can't get it from work, I just installed links so that I could see the dir contents :)09:56
\sharchive.ubuntu.com is somewhat broken 09:57
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imbrandon\sh, try it from mirror.imbrandon.com if you wish09:57
imbrandonit syncs every 2 hours so it might be ok from there09:58
\shimbrandon, de.archive worls09:59
\shworks even09:59
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imbrandonsomeone wanna buy me this ? http://cgi.ebay.com/iMac-G5-20-Intel-Core-Duo-2-0GHZ-1-5GB-RAM-250GB-HD_W0QQitemZ110097053601QQihZ001QQcategoryZ140066QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting10:08
\shajmitch, I'll upload wine tomorrow morning when I'm in the office...with umts it's been too many MB ;)10:08
zulimbrandon: sure...just give me the money and you might or might not get it10:09
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ajmitch\sh: heh, are you on the train now or something? :)10:09
LaserJockimbrandon: a G5 intel iMac? :-)10:10
ajmitchimbrandon: pbuilder on sparky is still trying to parse the build deps ;)10:10
imbrandonwow hehe10:11
imbrandoni might have to look for a faster sparc on ebay hehe10:11
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Fujitsuimbrandon: How old is this SPARC?10:11
LaserJockajmitch: how much does one of those cost?10:11
imbrandonFujitsu, one siretart donated, ultra IIi iirc10:11
ajmitchLaserJock: depends which one you get, might be upwards of $15K10:12
LaserJocknot too bad I guess10:12
imbrandonFujitsu, http://www.ubuntuwire.com/build-network/sparky.html10:12
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\shajmitch, hotel :)10:12
imbrandoni need to update the one for aurora, i just added ram10:12
FujitsuLet's get Canonical to buy us one of them, ajmitch :P10:13
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Fujitsudescription: Ethernet interface10:13
Fujitsuproduct: Happy Meal10:13
imbrandonFujitsu, heh we tried that at UDS, they are puyshing the ppa on LP10:13
FujitsuWhat kind of product name is `Happy Meal'?10:13
ajmitchone with a long history10:14
LaserJockFujitsu: a very USA one10:14
imbrandonlong long history, sun hardware has always had funny names10:14
ajmitchLaserJock: I see one T2000 for $85K USD10:14
ajmitch64GB RAM, 8-core CPU10:14
LaserJockajmitch: yikes10:15
Fujitsuajmitch: Sounds powerful.10:15
ajmitchany MOTU with some spare cash for one of those?10:15
LaserJockmaybe we could get Mark to spring for one for us?10:15
ajmitchcanonical should be able to pick up a low end one cheaply10:15
FujitsuHe's probably got a few hiding in the datacentre already.10:15
ajmitchwe even have some sun contacts hiding out on irc :)10:15
imbrandonohh yea i took some picture of the rack at the DC that has the buildd's in it ( with ubuntu stickers ) hehe i should upload them10:16
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sacaterfeisty is coming out in april, anyone got a more precise date?10:17
Fujitsusacater: 27th, I believe.10:17
LaserJocksacater: check out the release schedule10:17
sacaterFujitsu: thanks10:17
LaserJocksacater: wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule10:17
sacaterLaserJock: thanks10:17
FujitsuOh, 27th was Edgy...10:18
sacaterits 19th10:18
jdongajmitch: I'm concerned at this point that xserver-xgl will not be fixed for the final feisty release.10:20
jdongthere has been no futher progress made towards approving it.10:20
imbrandonsince when? 5 minutes ago ? heh10:20
ajmitchjdong: I've given my ACK, you can bring it up at the motu meeting if you're concerned10:21
jdongimbrandon: it's been almost two weeks10:21
jdongajmitch: if you can, that'd be great10:22
=== ajmitch has to get on top of other motu-uvf bugs
ajmitchjdong: I doubt I'll be at the motu meeting, or at least I won't be there for all of it10:22
jdongand not only the time, but it does not seem like there is much motivation for anyone else to look at it in any fashion10:22
=== ajmitch has http://www.ubuntuwire.com/build-network/sparky.html
=== ajmitch has that url prominently bookmarked
ajmitchtypical windows10:22
ajmitch*that* one10:22
ajmitchI don't care much about the build network :)10:23
ajmitchso I see that there are 7 unconfirmed UVF exception requests10:23
ajmitchtry in -meeting10:23
=== jdong notes, of which xserver-xgl is the oldest
LaserJock--- Schedule @jdong TZ: Nothing to see here ----10:24
=== jdong also notes, of which xserver-xgl has gotten the least interaction from motu-uvf
LaserJockI didn't know that package even existed in Universe10:24
ajmitchyou didn't?10:25
imbrandonthats because 99% of people use aiglx as they should ;)10:25
jdongLaserJock: lol that explains why the package is almost 1 year old :)10:25
jdongimbrandon: pfft well not all of us have that luxury10:25
jdongsome of us would like to bake some ATI+AMD employees in a large toaster oven10:26
LaserJockI thought aiglx worked for more people than XGL10:26
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jdongand start World War III10:26
imbrandonLaserJock, it does10:26
imbrandoneveryone cept a few ati peeps10:26
jdongLaserJock: Xgl is for all Radeon R500+ users10:26
jdongand it's far from "a few" ati peeps.10:26
ajmitchany modern ATI card, really10:26
jdongthe ATI radeon chipset is by far the most popular on ordinary store shelves10:26
jdongpartially thanks to AMD10:27
\shxgl works with fglrx and beryl .. but it's far from being stable10:27
imbrandonhahaha yea right10:27
imbrandonjdong, what crack stores you going to?10:27
jdong\sh: xgl does not work in feisty at all, period.10:27
imbrandoni NEVER see any ati cards arround10:27
jdongimbrandon: uhm, you're crazy10:27
ajmitchimbrandon: I do10:27
ajmitchcommon in laptops10:27
jdongimbrandon: almost all Turions here have ATi Xpress 200m, or mobility radeon10:27
jdongimbrandon: and a significant portion of higher-end Centrinos have x1600's too10:27
jdong\sh: that's the whole point of ignored bug 8768710:28
UbugtuMalone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8768710:28
imbrandoni just went laptop shopping at walmart no less a week ago and not one had an ati card10:28
jdongimbrandon: well there's your problem.10:28
imbrandonand very very veyr few even had amd's10:28
imbrandonjdong, you said majority, the majority is walmart10:29
jdongimbrandon: go to Best Buy, Micro Center, CompUSA.....10:29
imbrandonjdong, i do daily10:29
jdong<imbrandon> jdong, you said majority, the majority is walmart10:29
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imbrandonwalmart by far sells more computers int he us than anyone else, look at the numerbs, they even outrank dell etc10:29
imbrandonanyhow bbiab10:29
LaserJockwell, I see quite about as many ATI as nvidia, more ATI on laptops10:30
LaserJockbut don't a lot of ATI work with aiglx10:30
jdongLaserJock: 5 year old ones do.10:30
jdongLaserJock: anything above the X300 don't.10:30
jdongand heck the X300 era ones work pretty flimsily too10:31
jdongthe integrated Xpress 200 chipset is quite popular too on AMD systems10:31
jdongsure Nvidia + Intel outnumber ATI's10:31
jdongbut that's not to say ATI does not have a significant GPU-share on retail systems10:32
\shwell, for me is xgl not an option anyhow....fglrx does have problems with xinerama (at least with feisty somehow) or I'm too stupid to configure it. radeon xorg driver does work in 2d mode with xinerama :)10:32
LaserJockhmm, I swear I got beryl going on one of my computers10:32
LaserJockmust not have been the imac10:32
Q-FUNKnice alloy10:32
LaserJockmy laptop has a ATI 7000 IGP10:32
LaserJockmaybe that was it10:32
jdonghit Advanced Search on the left10:33
jdongdrop down GPU/VPU10:33
jdongand that shows a good distribution of the vid card selection Newegg offers10:33
jdongGMA's are the most common10:33
imbrandonjdong, nice try, the majority of people dont but from there, you want majority hit the real stores where mom and pop shop10:33
jdongimbrandon: when I went laptop shopping 4 months ago ATI was definitely more prominent than nvidia on laptops.10:34
LaserJockmom and pop probably get a lot of integrated graphics10:34
jdongLaserJock: yeah.10:34
jdongLaserJock: GMA950 on the Intel side, X200m on the AMD side.10:34
\shwell, to be honest...nvidia is more in gamers laptops...like dell xpc series10:34
imbrandonmaybe only if you were set on getting an amd, you dident look overall, intel is by far more prominate , because intel chips are in 99% of those sold by the major chains actualy on the shelves10:34
jdong\sh: I don't argue with that.10:35
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\shamd is more in business laptops or soho laptops like toshiba satellite a100 (dual core intel with x1400 ati)10:35
jdongimbrandon: I don't know about sales, but at Best Buy the selections of AMD/Intel is split halfway almost10:35
imbrandonnope, not at most stores, stop looking online and walk into one10:36
jdongimbrandon: I did look in the store.10:36
imbrandonthats like saying they have alot of other mp3 players than the ipod, they do online but not in the store10:36
jdong*sigh*, ok, ATI does not exist, fglrx is not used by mroe than 0.05% of the Ubuntu users10:37
jdongyou're right10:37
jdongI was thinking of LSD and cocaine.10:37
imbrandonmy point is, if you are shopping as a geek for certain specs then yes you will run accross ati more, if you are every day joe intell chips and graphics are by far far far outnumber the others10:37
LaserJockthere is a significant amount of ATI users10:37
jdongLaserJock: only geeks buy ATI's.10:37
LaserJockimbrandon: I really have to disagree10:37
jdongLaserJock: walmart does not carry ATI's10:37
jdongLaserJock: hence nobody carries ATI's.10:37
LaserJockDell ships a lot of ATI10:38
LaserJocka lot of laptops have ATI10:38
jdongLaserJock: but dell does not exist. it's not walmart.10:38
jdongLaserJock: and also, Dell only sells 1% AMD's, so it's irrelevant.10:38
=== ajmitch wishes compiz didn't suck & have numerous bugs
imbrandonjdong, you are lucky you are not within 50 miles of me i would fucking kick you square in the smart ass balls10:38
LaserJockwell, I've seen lots of Dell intel machines with ATI graphics10:39
jdongwho spit in his ATI hypertransport bus?10:39
jdongracial profiling. LaserJock disagred with him too, and he goes after me10:39
\shjdong, this morning I just read a dell advertisment and 2 of three laptops have ati on board...and the other one it was a cheap nvidia with 128MB10:40
LaserJockjdong: that's not needed10:40
jdong\sh: yeah, the cheap radeon xpresses are too popular for our good10:40
jdong\sh: the fact of the matter is, on Windows, they are the best performing integrated chipset....10:40
\shjdong, yes, but the drivers of ati/amd are, sorry to say, crap and should go to hell...10:41
jdong\sh: totally agreed.10:41
jdong\sh: but that doesn't mean we should neglect our users who happen to have these ATI chipsets.10:41
jdongthe fact of the matter is, it's perfectly possible to set up an Xgl+fglrx based compiz desktop that performs just as smoothly/reliably as an AIGLX+GMA950 one.10:42
LaserJockanyway ...10:42
LaserJockI seriously doubt they are intentially ignoring the UVF jdong 10:42
jdongLaserJock: after two weeks of poking, I got one ACK....10:43
\shjdong, tbh if amd would put some pressure on it, they would have better drivers...and regarding xgl + beryl / compiz...my a100 is crashing 95% of the time after 5 minutes wobblling and scaling  10:43
LaserJockjdong: that's not horrible10:43
jdong\sh: really?10:44
jdongLaserJock: by the time I get the second it's gonna be some critical freeze date10:44
jdongand it's all over10:44
jdongtime for everyone to roll out checkinstalled random debs.10:44
\shjdong, and the same happens with aixgl and i915 or old ati legacy drivers with xgl and latest beryl svn10:44
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jdongand as soon as feisty+1 opens, they're going to change X packagin, and boom... no backport either.10:44
jdongyay me.10:44
jdong\sh: well I'm not sure about what's happening in your case... but I've had stable Xgl+fglrx+compiz since Dapper days10:45
LaserJockwell, as far as I know there isn't a critical freeze date for this10:45
jdong\sh: right now on Feisty I can reliably suspend and resume over the course of 10 days10:45
LaserJockthey will get to it when they get to it10:45
jdongand xgl/compiz works.10:45
jdongLaserJock: release is like 4 weeks away.10:45
ajmitchmaybe the constant nagging chased people off10:45
LaserJockjdong: so you have probably 3 weeks10:45
jdongajmitch: so now you're saying if I looked away from it, magically all the motu-uvf's would have been more likely to handle it??10:46
ajmitchjdong: I'm saying that I was awfully tempted to ignore the bug10:46
ajmitchbut I thought that wouldn't be fair10:46
=== \sh can't +1 the package, because I don't have a fcking clue about X/xgl/aixgl in general...I'm just a plain user of it
jdongajmitch: so if I said nothing, you would've been more willing to look at it?10:46
jdongajmitch: ^^ that's the reaction I've gotten from most of the others.10:47
ajmitchas long as you'd assigned it to motu-uvf10:47
\shI would like to see our xorg maintainer to have a look with a qualified report 10:47
ajmitchsince subscribed bugs are on another page in LP10:47
theCoreI wonder if the upgrade from edgy/dapper to feisty will be smooth... 10:47
theCorethere seems an awful number of people using things like Automatix and cie10:48
jdongtheCore: my upgrade took 3 dist-upgrade cycles to do10:48
\shtheCore, as always...dapper -> edgy -> feisty, or dapper -> next LTS release10:48
jdongand theCore, recent automatix release (i.e. within Edgy time) don't do anything to bork an upgrade10:48
ajmitch\sh: xgl has never really been touched much by the X maintainers in ubuntu10:48
ajmitch\sh: it was originally packaged by mjg59, last touched by me to fix some bugs10:48
jdongtheCore: at least I've hit every single button in Automatix and Automatix2 on a test VM and it upgraded to feisty roughly the same.10:48
theCorejdong: hopefully, it will be the same for all users10:49
jdongtheCore: I hope so too.10:49
\shtheCore, this morning edgy to feisty on my t43..without any problems. yesterday on my toshiba r200 -> edgy to feisty: linux-restricted wasn't updated 10:50
jdongon my initial upgrade of my laptop, I had dpkg exit with a non-zero exit code10:50
jdongbut a re-run of dist-upgrade went smoothly.10:50
theCorepersonally, I had a lot of problems with the upgrade10:51
theCorebut I think these problem have been fixed10:51
jdongare UVFe's required for kernel components?10:51
jdongI'd love to ignore bug 82680 too but frankly I don't think it'd be fixed.10:51
UbugtuMalone bug 82680 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty]  regression: ti mmc card reader not working (worked flawlessly in edgy)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8268010:51
theCorejdong: not before the Kernel Freeze, I think10:52
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theCoreApril 5th10:53
jdongapril 5th...10:53
jdongok, I'm going to leave it alone10:53
jdongand magically it will be fixed by that time.10:53
\shwell, I'm glad that the nozomi drivers are in 2.6.20-9 ,)10:53
jdongsame with the rest of my hitlist.10:53
\shand kppp supports now /dev/nozX devices..10:54
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LaserJockajmitch: should we add SRU (again) to the MOTU Meeting?11:12
LaserJockI just feel like we keep revising it every week11:13
ajmitchuntil it works..11:13
LaserJockI think uploading directly to -updates while keeping -proposed for risky or high-profile uploads would be good11:14
LaserJockthere are so many trivial fixes that it's rediculous to have them sitting there forever11:14
rmjbform an official testing team11:14
LaserJockwe need more teams for sure :-)11:15
joejaxxdoes bzr support acl?11:15
LaserJockin what way?11:15
joejaxxthings like: set who can view the code, commit changes11:16
LaserJockjoejaxx: well, chmod the dir11:16
jdongjoejaxx: if you use bzr+ssh:// or sftp:// transport and the underlying FS supports ACLs, and the admin set ACL's, then sure...11:18
jdongjoejaxx: for committing bzr goes by the permissions system established by the underlying filesystem11:18
jdongjoejaxx: for public http branching the situation is a bit different.... .htaccess kind of procedures may be used11:18
joejaxxah ok :)11:19
joejaxxi was hoping that was the case11:19
\shjdong, no change...compiz doesn't work and with beryl emerald I don't see any text when I type11:22
jdong\sh: feisty or edgy?11:22
\shjdong, feisty11:22
jdong\sh: Xgl?11:23
\shaixgl with radeon driver11:23
\shhow do I load compiz manually ? compiz --replace?11:24
jdongcompiz --replace gconf11:24
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LaserJockadded a couple items to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings11:32
LaserJockplease change/add stuff11:32
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\shon gnome-terminal with compiz == no text11:34
Toadstoolhi everybody!11:38
bddebianHeya Toadstool11:38
Toadstoolhey bddebian 11:39
\shah with latest beryl it works like a charm11:40
jdong\sh: cool :)11:44
rmjb"all php4 packages are to be removed" so if there's an unmet dep for one of these packages ignore it?11:45
theCore\sh: that's weird, gnome-terminal works fine under Compiz on my machine11:46
\shtheCore, beryl works now :)11:47
\shdeb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn11:47
\sh with this repos11:47
bddebianLater gang11:47
theCoresee ya bddebian11:47
rmjblater bddebian11:47
LaserJockrmjb: well, we'd like to get them fixed11:47
LaserJockcya bddebian 11:47
theCore\sh: beryl = distraction (for me)11:48
\shI just like this mac os x style windowpicker ;)11:48
rmjbLaserJock: well... it depends on other php4 packages that I assumed were already removed....11:48
LaserJockrmjb: so it either needs to be fixed to work with PHP5 or removed, I think11:49
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