[12:42] that's odd [12:42] yeah [12:43] so u recommend thru knoppix? [12:44] yeah ... knoppix is always my "OMG what just happened" cd [12:44] lol [12:46] hm [12:46] very well i shall download it [12:47] the time spent downloading is worth it in the end [12:47] i hope so [12:47] i miss my music :( [12:47] 2 hours [12:47] o hdear [12:48] anyone know why wget is faster at downloading something then just clicking the link in firefox? [12:48] I'm getting about a 2x - 3x faster speed improvement :O [12:48] Eagle_101: i would imagine it would have something to do with the overhead of firefox in some way .... but i'm not sure [12:49] mmm ok, but this is quite good :D [12:49] torrent did not work for getting gentoo, no seeds or something (30 minute wait) so I just tried wget [12:53] how do i install gnome in parallel? [12:53] ubuntu [12:53] sudo apt-get ubuntu>? [12:54] !ubuntu-desktop [12:54] k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading. [12:54] !xubuntu-desktop [12:54] !botsnack [12:54] Yum! [12:54] oo [12:54] so if i install ubuntu-desktop [12:55] I think its ubuntu-desktop :S [12:55] i can use both xf and gnome?> [12:55] *think* being the key word [12:55] that is if you are installing xubuntu [12:55] and want the gnome desktop [12:55] yes [12:55] i want both [12:55] to be able to switch [12:55] yeah then install xubuntu [12:55] i did [12:55] im on xubuntu [12:55] ok, now just [12:56] .. [12:56] apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [12:56] if you want KDE [12:56] apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [12:57] ok [12:57] ty [12:58] welcome [12:58] gotta run === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.223.245.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:24] has anybody done programming in assembly on an 8085 before? [01:25] or any assembly programming at all? [01:27] not for about 23 years. And that was on a Z80 :) [01:28] aw crap [01:28] LDAX anybody?? [01:31] cycro: you're not going to learn much by asking what each instruction means on irc [01:31] i just need to know how it works === K3nto [n=k3nt@dhcp42-151.iqltvu.northwestel.net] has left #xubuntu [] === zoidberg [n=zoidberg@161.32.237.148] has joined #xubuntu [01:37] hey guys === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [01:39] hi [01:39] zoidberg u dont happen to be a guru at assembly for 8085, do u? === assasukasse [n=assasuka@host-84-222-246-99.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #xubuntu [01:40] hi everyone, i was wondering if someone has made a benchmark of herd 5 and herd 5 ubuntu [01:45] ? [01:45] i suppose no === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:47] lol [01:55] i saw many benchmarks, all of them says that xfce is faster until u dun run too many apps, then kde wins.. [01:55] is that true? [01:56] assasukasse, I dunno, but this is quite fast === cycro [n=robert@CPE0040f4d45ca8-CM014130004988.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:56] and I'm on an older computer [01:57] I guess it would matter on what you are doing [01:57] I've got 10 windows open (5 of them are just terminals though) [01:57] Eagle_101: well, i have been using enlightenment and gnome, gnome is far slower, xfce should be faster, but the key is speed... [01:57] xfce is faster ;) [01:57] I have no lag here [01:57] on 256MB [01:57] Eagle_101: but is it more memory eating? [01:58] i mean is that true that eats more mem than gnome? [01:58] I'm using 136 RAM as of now [01:58] than kde sorry [01:58] Eagle_101: what are u running [01:58] lets see, X-chat [01:58] 3 terminals doing various wgets [01:58] vim [01:59] Firefox (with 12 tabs open) [01:59] thunar [01:59] open office [01:59] has any1 used photorec? [01:59] u have ooffice open at the moment? [01:59] yes [01:59] then is not true that kde wins :D [02:00] oh [02:00] can u explain how it works? [02:00] I don't know about raw preformence :P [02:01] mm [02:01] well [02:01] i used it [02:01] and it made some folders [02:01] but i cant access them [02:03] does it put the recovery folders on the partition that ur trying to recover from? [02:03] Eagle_101: im running firefox 3 tabs, gaim, xchat, cxoffice emulating windows with utorrent, thunar, and a terminal running an intensive cpu and ram prog using nice [02:03] and i am at 150meg [02:03] 142now [02:04] so u win, even if i am using a light desktop such as enlightenment [02:05] heh [02:05] nice [02:05] I'm at 140 right now [02:05] but I have about 180 in sawp [02:05] how do u check? [02:06] system monitor? [02:06] Eagle_101: me 0 swap [02:06] i set swappiness to 0 [02:06] unless is absolutely needed my disk stay shut :D [02:07] ah I see [02:07] well I have some on my swap so that throws a wrench into things [02:08] Eagle_101: do u use compiz === sunnz2 [n=zac@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:10] compiz? === MattJ [n=matthew@88-111-196-76.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [02:20] so uh [02:21] how do i delete folders when it says i dont have permission? [02:23] ive used photorec, and its made some folders [02:23] but now i cant delete them [02:23] or view htem === assasukasse is away: [02:25] !photorec [02:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about photorec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:28] anybody know how i can delete? [02:28] omg === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@tapthru/resident/NthDegree] has joined #xubuntu === TheSheep [i=sheep@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl] has joined #xubuntu === jikuty [i=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #xubuntu === sparrw [n=kvirc@71.16.203.242] has joined #xubuntu === blizz [n=blizz@evilhackerdu.de] has joined #xubuntu === eteran [i=etefreen@muhq-owns.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:29] helo [02:29] help? :( [02:30] they're probably owned by root and you haven't got the right permission to view or delete them. What are you using to view the directories? If it's Thunar, then run "gksudo thunar" in an xterm, then try what you want to do. [02:31] that'll give Thunar root privileges. Mind you, when you're finished doing what you want with those directories, close that Thunar. You can really mess things up if you're not careful. [02:32] oo [02:32] ok [02:32] im gona try this [02:32] have u ever used photorec? [02:32] no [02:33] why will it allow me to view the contents of this folder now, and not before? [02:33] you asked about directories that couldn't be viewed or deleted, so I gave you a possible answer to that. As for Photorec, I haven't used it and don't know much about it. [02:33] before the gksudo, it cudnt even say how big hte folder was [02:33] mm [02:33] well its working [02:33] thanks a lot [02:33] np [02:33] im jsut curious as to why it works like this [02:34] every otehr folder is vieable [02:34] but this ceratin one [02:34] be careful with giving file managers root privilege, though. You can really do some damage if you're not careful. [02:34] mm === assasukasse is away: [02:36] wat does gksudo do? [02:36] why cant u do sudo? [02:37] well, it's probably better for gui apps to use gksudo. [02:37] oh [02:37] fairenough === karretero [i=karreter@87.220.31.42] has joined #xubuntu [02:39] I need someone to tell me how to start a xubuntu text installation [02:40] does anybody knows hou to do it? [02:42] I need someone to tell me how to start a xubuntu text installation [02:43] please help [02:44] well, first download an alternate installer image (.iso), then record it to blank medium, then boot from that medium [02:50] hello crimsun [02:50] I have already downloaded it [02:50] and burned [02:51] and I have booted [02:51] I am now in the initial screen [02:52] what shall i do now? [02:52] follow the directions? [02:52] ahm [02:52] :) [02:53] ok [02:53] thank you [02:53] the text-based installer is simple and attempts to not ask unnecessary questions [02:54] ok [02:59] do all linux distros have synaptic packet manager? [02:59] no [02:59] not all, no. [03:00] not all [03:00] but it is strange === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] is it just ubuntu/xu/ku hat has it? === tute666 [n=tute666@4-130-235-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] Debian-based distributions include it. [03:02] oo === FlickMyBic [n=SF@CPE000f6607cd9c-CM001868d950e4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:12] do u come from asia, cycro? [03:12] no, i dont [03:12] why do u ask? [03:13] because "oo" sounds like an asian expresion [03:13] :) [03:14] lol [03:14] -_- [03:14] thx m8 [03:14] ooh [03:14] jejeje [03:14] u know those ubuntu repos? [03:14] are there any that distribute warez? [03:15] repositories that include warez? [03:15] like cracks? [03:15] u mean? [03:17] like anything [03:17] dvds, cracks, apps [03:17] repos look like a good way to share these things [03:21] I don't know any warez repos [03:21] I think emule and bittorrent are ok [03:21] for warez [03:25] ok how do I log out, but have all the applications still run [03:25] but lock out the screen === HeathenDan [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [03:28] ctrl+alt+del? [03:28] doing that kills all internet connections [03:28] I just want to be able to lock out the screen, but still let everything run [03:28] oo [03:29] I've figured it out :D [03:29] I'm on a laptop, if I just turn the screen off it kills my screen seeion [03:33] lol === cycro [n=robert@CPE0040f4d45ca8-CM014130004988.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:34] bug buddy is getting on my nerves [03:34] everytime i restart or log out [03:34] i have a bug [03:42] can anybody help me partition ? [03:42] cycro [03:42] gparted [03:42] im scared [03:42] ok you dual booting? [03:42] no === augus [n=augus@218.249.103.6] has joined #xubuntu [03:43] i have an ntfs partition [03:43] and this linux [03:43] and i want just one [03:43] ah [03:43] I see [03:43] I've never done that [03:43] oh [03:43] damit === sultanovich [i=sultanov@host122.201-253-221.telecom.net.ar] has joined #xubuntu [03:43] how do u send messages to ppl? [03:43] cycro, are you removing a partition? [03:44] yes [03:44] i want to remove my ntfs [03:44] and convert it to w/e my linux is === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [03:44] ok [03:44] your linux is likely ext2 or ext3 [03:45] ext3 [03:45] how you convert between the two I'm not sure [03:45] oh [03:45] I would nuke the NTFS, and then re-size the ext3 over it (but thats just a guess, don't do it unless someone confimrs) [03:47] il lask around [03:48] cycro, I would try a google search [03:48] alright [03:50] ok anyone know of a CD burning program that can do ISOs and run on windows vista [03:50] I have a friend of mine converting :P [03:58] um [03:58] nero? [03:58] Eagle_101: nero burning rom [03:58] nero burning? [04:01] yes [04:01] its a windows app [04:01] for burning everything [04:10] What Eagle_101 said for repartitioning - reformat the NTFS one as free space, then extend the EXT3 partition to include the entire disk. === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [04:10] oh [04:11] i have to reformat it? [04:11] No, but that's what it sounded like you wanted to do. [04:11] mm [04:11] well right now [04:11] i want to turn my ntfs to ext3 [04:12] then merge it with this ext3 [04:12] right [04:12] then reformat the NTFS [04:12] to freespace [04:12] it wont let me [04:12] its empty [04:12] on and anyone know for a friend of mine how you can check how much ram you have on a LiveCD? [04:13] cycro, so there is nothing in that space? [04:13] nope [04:13] ok then take the original ext3 partition [04:13] thats this one [04:13] and move it to cover the full drive [04:13] the ext3 is running xubuntu [04:14] use gparted (if needed in a live CD) [04:14] and simply extend the ext3 to cover the whole disk [04:14] Eagle_101: First line of `cat /proc/meminfo`. [04:14] PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks === Kresjah [n=a@ti231210a080-12440.bb.online.no] has joined #xubuntu [04:15] mm [04:15] i have gparted open [04:15] both partitions have a lock symobl [04:15] is that good? === bigfuzzyjesus [n=paul@12.206.21.84] has joined #xubuntu [04:15] i opened gparted [04:15] but i cant do anything [04:16] cycro: you cannot manipulate mounted partition [04:16] oh [04:16] great [04:16] so now wat [04:16] cycro: unmount (can do this the gparted) [04:16] oh [04:17] wont let me [04:17] anyone here got a ubuntu server [04:17] cycro: then it's in use [04:17] cause /me needs ubuntu server help [04:17] so how do i unuse it [04:18] bigfuzzyjesus, for ubuntu help I would try #ubuntu ;) [04:18] this is xubuntu [04:18] cycro: you have apps or processes using the partition...look at what apps you are running [04:19] oh [04:19] but nothing is using my ntfs partition [04:19] Nah, GParted seems to have issues unmounting anything. [04:19] lol [04:19] Just unmount it normally. [04:19] o [04:19] im scared guys [04:19] i dont wna lose everytin [04:19] Eagle_101, they all run the same shell and no one in #ubuntu runs a server and i know people in here do, and ubuntu-server people dont have anywhere to go... so [04:19] AGAIN [04:20] ubuntu is too noisy [04:20] bigfuzzyjesus: What's the problem? [04:20] PuMpErNiCkLe, how do i start ssh and apache2 on my server and how do i set them up to start at boot? [04:20] (You should know by now not to incurr !anyone :p) [04:20] PuMpErNiCkLe, they are installed [04:21] The ssh server, and not just the client? [04:22] PuMpErNiCkLe, yeah [04:22] i know how to set up the client [04:22] ok I have a friend of mine who is going from windows to linux, and he wants to totally remove windows [04:22] ssh name@ip [04:22] does he just remove the NTFS partition? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #xubuntu [04:23] and put an ext3 in its place? [04:24] ud have to do it via liveCD [04:24] Eagle_101: Yeah, if he feels confident that he's done with the windows installation. [04:24] he is confident (it is a second computer) [04:24] so just reformat NTFS to freespace? [04:24] then overlay the ext3 [04:25] Nah, if he's installing, just reformat the entire disk as ext3. [04:25] how do I tell him to do that? [04:25] It's an option in the install cd. [04:25] I think he wants 3 partitions? [04:26] one for /home/ one for / and one for swap [04:26] When he gets to the partitioner, it will list a few options, and 'use entire disk' is one of them. [04:26] Or he can manually reppartition as needed. [04:26] s/reppartition/repartition/ [04:27] bigfuzzyjesus: Does `netstat -tulpn` show sshd? [04:27] yeah he is manually doing the partition === sultanovich [i=sultanov@host122.201-253-221.telecom.net.ar] has left #xubuntu ["Saliendo"] [04:36] does gparted merge partitions? === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:42] cycro, why would you need to merge.... [04:42] I would think it would have the capacity [04:42] i want to merge because i will have to separate ext3 partitions [04:43] Eagle_101: i want to combine all the partitions into 1 [04:44] are any of them NTFS? [04:44] cycro, I can't believe you are still mucking with partitoins [04:44] :P [04:45] yes [04:45] 1 is ntfs [04:45] which i plan to convert to ext3 [04:45] if any of them are NTFS, you need to make that freespace [04:45] by deleting it? [04:46] cycro, yeah make it freespace [04:46] then extend the original ext3 partition over where the other one was [04:47] and BACK UP your data [04:47] cycro: you cannot go from ntfs to ext3 wthout data loss [04:47] grazie: ive lost all my data already :P [04:47] im tryin to make it ext3 so i can recover again [04:48] cycro: that's not sensible [04:48] grazie: care to hear the whole thing? [04:48] cycro: ? [04:50] grazie: right now i have 2 partitions, 1 ext3 that is running this xubuntu, and an empty ntfs. I recently accidently erased all data off my hard drive, so that's why i have this. now i plan to use photorec to recover my files, but i need the entire hdd to be ext3 [04:51] do you have any better ideas? [04:51] cycro: converting ntfs to ext3 will result in further loss of data [04:51] grazie: its either that or install windows xp and try to recover from there [04:51] but photorec seems like a really good program [04:51] cycro: no. there are some very good ntfs recovery tools [04:52] grazie: ive tried ntfsundelete, but it doesnt work [04:52] grazie: know of any others? [04:53] cycro: I've used some before, but not for a long. If you want good recovery of ntfs you have to do it from windows (it's a no brainer) [04:54] grazie: yes but that means i have to reformat my ntfs and reinstall xp..wont that result in more loss as well? [04:55] cycro: no, you must not do anything with the partition you are trying to recover [04:56] cycro: i would ceate a second xp partition and recover the lost partition form there [04:56] grazie: wat do u mean? [04:56] grazie: partition my ntfs into 2? [04:56] no [04:57] partition your ext3 if you must [04:57] you don't want to modify the partition that you want to recover [04:57] cycro: you have a linux partition(s) and a lost ntfs partition, yes? [04:57] grazie: no, i have 1 linux partition, and 1 ntfs partition [04:58] and the thing is, i lost data from my Whole drive because before it was ntfs [04:58] so i figure if i make it all 1 type again.. [04:59] cycro: your linux partition has at least 2 partitions (swap and /) [04:59] i dont think i did a swap [04:59] grazie: when i installed xubuntu, it said something about a swap, but i ignored it [04:59] cycro: you're not following I don't think [04:59] grazie: most liekly not [05:00] grazie: when i open gparted, it says i only have 2 partitions [05:00] so that means no swap [05:00] lol [05:00] is that bad? [05:00] dont tell me i gota resintall linux-_- [05:01] cycro: the best chance of recovering the data means that you must not change the data on the disk in any way [05:01] grazie: there is no data on the disk [05:01] .... [05:01] .. [05:02] cycro: Yes there is! That's what you're trying to recover! Isn't it? [05:02] grazie: well it got deleted [05:02] grazie: so im tryin to recover formatted/deleted files [05:03] cycro: you mean you can't see it any more, but it's still there or at least a lot of it is (you hope!) [05:03] grazie: yes [05:04] cycro: it that data is valuable this is what I would do... [05:04] grazie: .. [05:05] cycro: buy a second a disk big enough to install xp and the data size you want to recover and them some extra [05:06] install xp and ntds recovery tools on the second disk [05:06] ntfs* [05:06] oo [05:07] recover the lost ntfs partition to the new second drive [05:07] i see [05:07] you might get nothing, but it's the best chance you've got [05:08] ive been using a program called photorecx [05:08] photorec* [05:08] and its been working amazingly at recovering files [05:09] have you recovered anything yet? [05:10] yes [05:10]