[12:42] <maxamillion> that's odd
[12:42] <cycro> yeah
[12:43] <cycro> so u recommend thru knoppix?
[12:44] <maxamillion> yeah ... knoppix is always my "OMG what just happened" cd
[12:44] <cycro> lol
[12:46] <cycro> hm
[12:46] <cycro> very well i shall download it
[12:47] <maxamillion> the time spent downloading is worth it in the end
[12:47] <cycro> i hope so
[12:47] <cycro> i miss my music :(
[12:47] <cycro> 2 hours
[12:47] <cycro> o hdear
[12:48] <Eagle_101> anyone know why wget is faster at downloading something then just clicking the link in firefox?
[12:48] <Eagle_101> I'm getting about a 2x - 3x faster speed improvement :O
[12:48] <maxamillion> Eagle_101: i would imagine it would have something to do with the overhead of firefox in some way .... but i'm not sure
[12:49] <Eagle_101> mmm ok, but this is quite good :D
[12:49] <Eagle_101> torrent did not work for getting gentoo, no seeds or something (30 minute wait) so I just tried wget
[12:53] <cycro> how do i install gnome in parallel?
[12:53] <cycro> ubuntu
[12:53] <cycro> sudo apt-get ubuntu>?
[12:54] <Eagle_101> !ubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[12:54] <Eagle_101> !xubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <Eagle_101> !botsnack
[12:54] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:54] <cycro> oo
[12:54] <cycro> so if i install ubuntu-desktop
[12:55] <Eagle_101> I think its ubuntu-desktop :S
[12:55] <cycro> i can use both xf and gnome?>
[12:55] <Eagle_101> *think* being the key word
[12:55] <Eagle_101> that is if you are installing xubuntu
[12:55] <Eagle_101> and want the gnome desktop
[12:55] <cycro> yes
[12:55] <cycro> i want both
[12:55] <cycro> to be able to switch
[12:55] <Eagle_101> yeah then install xubuntu
[12:55] <cycro> i did
[12:55] <cycro> im on xubuntu
[12:55] <Eagle_101> ok, now just
[12:56] <cycro> ..
[12:56] <Eagle_101> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <Eagle_101> if you want KDE
[12:56] <Eagle_101> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:57] <cycro> ok
[12:57] <cycro> ty
[12:58] <Eagle_101> welcome
[12:58] <maxamillion> gotta run
[01:24] <cycro> has anybody done programming in assembly on an 8085 before?
[01:25] <cycro> or any assembly programming at all?
[01:27] <darrend_laptop> not for about 23 years.  And that was on a Z80 :)
[01:28] <cycro> aw crap
[01:28] <cycro> LDAX anybody??
[01:31] <grazie> cycro: you're not going to learn much by asking what each instruction means on irc
[01:31] <cycro> i just need to know how it works
[01:37] <zoidberg> hey guys
[01:39] <cycro> hi
[01:39] <cycro> zoidberg u dont happen to be a guru at assembly for 8085, do u?
[01:40] <assasukasse> hi everyone, i was wondering if someone has made a benchmark of herd 5 and herd 5 ubuntu
[01:45] <assasukasse> ?
[01:45] <assasukasse> i suppose no
[01:47] <cycro> lol
[01:55] <assasukasse> i saw many benchmarks, all of them says that xfce is faster until u dun run too many apps, then kde wins..
[01:55] <assasukasse> is that true?
[01:56] <Eagle_101> assasukasse, I dunno, but this is quite fast
[01:56] <Eagle_101> and I'm on an older computer
[01:57] <Eagle_101> I guess it would matter on what you are doing
[01:57] <Eagle_101> I've got 10 windows open (5 of them are just terminals though)
[01:57] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: well, i have been using enlightenment and gnome, gnome is far slower, xfce should be faster, but the key is speed...
[01:57] <Eagle_101> xfce is faster ;)
[01:57] <Eagle_101> I have no lag here
[01:57] <Eagle_101> on 256MB
[01:57] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: but is it more memory eating?
[01:58] <assasukasse> i mean is that true that eats more mem than gnome?
[01:58] <Eagle_101> I'm using 136 RAM as of now
[01:58] <assasukasse> than kde sorry
[01:58] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: what are u running
[01:58] <Eagle_101> lets see, X-chat
[01:58] <Eagle_101> 3 terminals doing various wgets
[01:58] <Eagle_101> vim
[01:59] <Eagle_101> Firefox (with 12 tabs open)
[01:59] <Eagle_101> thunar
[01:59] <Eagle_101> open office
[01:59] <cycro> has any1 used photorec?
[01:59] <assasukasse> u have ooffice open at the moment?
[01:59] <Eagle_101> yes
[01:59] <assasukasse> then is not true that kde wins :D
[02:00] <cycro> oh
[02:00] <cycro> can u explain how it works?
[02:00] <Eagle_101> I don't know about raw preformence :P
[02:01] <cycro> mm
[02:01] <cycro> well
[02:01] <cycro> i used it
[02:01] <cycro> and it made some folders
[02:01] <cycro> but i cant access them
[02:03] <cycro> does it put the recovery folders on the partition that ur trying to recover from?
[02:03] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: im running firefox 3 tabs, gaim, xchat, cxoffice emulating windows with utorrent, thunar, and a terminal running an intensive cpu and ram prog using nice
[02:03] <assasukasse> and i am at 150meg
[02:03] <assasukasse> 142now
[02:04] <assasukasse> so u win, even if i am using a light desktop such as enlightenment
[02:05] <Eagle_101> heh
[02:05] <Eagle_101> nice
[02:05] <Eagle_101> I'm at 140 right now
[02:05] <Eagle_101> but I have about 180 in sawp
[02:05] <cycro> how do u check?
[02:06] <cycro> system monitor?
[02:06] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: me 0 swap
[02:06] <assasukasse> i set swappiness to 0
[02:06] <assasukasse> unless is absolutely needed my disk stay shut :D
[02:07] <Eagle_101> ah I see
[02:07] <Eagle_101> well I have some on my swap so that throws a wrench into things
[02:08] <assasukasse> Eagle_101: do u use compiz
[02:10] <Eagle_101> compiz?
[02:20] <cycro> so uh
[02:21] <cycro> how do i delete folders when it says i dont have permission?
[02:23] <cycro> ive used photorec, and its made some folders
[02:23] <cycro> but now i cant delete them
[02:23] <cycro> or view htem
[02:25] <cycro> !photorec
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about photorec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <cycro> anybody know how i can delete?
[02:28] <cycro> omg
[02:29] <cycro> helo
[02:29] <cycro> help? :(
[02:30] <Qew> they're probably owned by root and you haven't got the right permission to view or delete them. What are you using to view the directories? If it's Thunar, then run "gksudo thunar" in an xterm, then try what you want to do.
[02:31] <Qew> that'll give Thunar root privileges. Mind you, when you're finished doing what you want with those directories, close that Thunar. You can really mess things up if you're not careful.
[02:32] <cycro> oo
[02:32] <cycro> ok
[02:32] <cycro> im gona try this
[02:32] <cycro> have u ever used photorec?
[02:32] <Qew> no
[02:33] <cycro> why will it allow me to view the contents of this folder now, and not before?
[02:33] <Qew> you asked about directories that couldn't be viewed or deleted, so I gave you a possible answer to that. As for Photorec, I haven't used it and don't know much about it.
[02:33] <cycro> before the gksudo, it cudnt even say how big hte folder was
[02:33] <cycro> mm
[02:33] <cycro> well its working
[02:33] <cycro> thanks a lot
[02:33] <Qew> np
[02:33] <cycro> im jsut curious as to why it works like this
[02:34] <cycro> every otehr folder is vieable
[02:34] <cycro> but this ceratin one
[02:34] <Qew> be careful with giving file managers root privilege, though. You can really do some damage if you're not careful.
[02:34] <cycro> mm
[02:36] <cycro> wat does gksudo do?
[02:36] <cycro> why cant u do sudo?
[02:37] <Qew> well, it's probably better for gui apps to use gksudo.
[02:37] <cycro> oh
[02:37] <cycro> fairenough
[02:39] <karretero> I need someone to tell me how to start a xubuntu text installation
[02:40] <karretero> does anybody knows hou to do it?
[02:42] <karretero> I need someone to tell me how to start a xubuntu text installation
[02:43] <karretero> please help
[02:44] <crimsun> well, first download an alternate installer image (.iso), then record it to blank medium, then boot from that medium
[02:50] <karretero> hello crimsun
[02:50] <karretero> I have already downloaded it
[02:50] <karretero> and burned
[02:51] <karretero> and I have booted
[02:51] <karretero> I am now in the initial screen
[02:52] <karretero> what shall i do now?
[02:52] <crimsun> follow the directions?
[02:52] <karretero> ahm
[02:52] <karretero> :)
[02:53] <karretero> ok
[02:53] <karretero> thank you
[02:53] <crimsun> the text-based installer is simple and attempts to not ask unnecessary questions
[02:54] <karretero> ok
[02:59] <cycro> do all linux distros have synaptic packet manager?
[02:59] <karretero> no
[02:59] <crimsun> not all, no.
[03:00] <karretero> not all
[03:00] <karretero> but it is strange
[03:01] <cycro> is it just ubuntu/xu/ku hat has it?
[03:02] <crimsun> Debian-based distributions include it.
[03:02] <cycro> oo
[03:12] <karretero> do u come from asia, cycro?
[03:12] <cycro> no, i dont
[03:12] <cycro> why do u ask?
[03:13] <karretero> because "oo" sounds like an asian expresion
[03:13] <karretero> :)
[03:14] <cycro> lol
[03:14] <cycro> -_-
[03:14] <cycro> thx m8
[03:14] <cycro> ooh
[03:14] <karretero> jejeje
[03:14] <cycro> u know those ubuntu repos?
[03:14] <cycro> are there any that distribute warez?
[03:15] <karretero> repositories that include warez?
[03:15] <karretero> like cracks?
[03:15] <karretero> u mean?
[03:17] <cycro> like anything
[03:17] <cycro> dvds, cracks, apps
[03:17] <cycro> repos look like a good way to share these things
[03:21] <karretero> I don't know any warez repos
[03:21] <karretero> I think emule and bittorrent are ok
[03:21] <karretero> for warez
[03:25] <Eagle_101> ok how do I log out, but have all the applications still run
[03:25] <Eagle_101> but lock out the screen
[03:28] <cycro> ctrl+alt+del?
[03:28] <Eagle_101> doing that kills all internet connections
[03:28] <Eagle_101> I just want to be able to lock out the screen, but still let everything run
[03:28] <cycro> oo
[03:29] <Eagle_101> I've figured it out :D
[03:29] <Eagle_101> I'm on a laptop, if I just turn the screen off it kills my screen seeion
[03:33] <cycro> lol
[03:34] <cycro> bug buddy is getting on my nerves
[03:34] <cycro> everytime i restart or log out
[03:34] <cycro> i have a bug
[03:42] <cycro> can anybody help me partition ?
[03:42] <Eagle_101> cycro
[03:42] <Eagle_101> gparted
[03:42] <cycro> im scared
[03:42] <Eagle_101> ok you dual booting?
[03:42] <cycro> no
[03:43] <cycro> i have an ntfs partition
[03:43] <cycro> and this linux
[03:43] <cycro> and i want just one
[03:43] <Eagle_101> ah
[03:43] <Eagle_101> I see
[03:43] <Eagle_101> I've never done that
[03:43] <cycro> oh
[03:43] <cycro> damit
[03:43] <cycro> how do u send messages to ppl?
[03:43] <Eagle_101> cycro, are you removing a partition?
[03:44] <cycro> yes
[03:44] <cycro> i want to remove my ntfs
[03:44] <cycro> and convert it to w/e my linux is
[03:44] <Eagle_101> ok
[03:44] <Eagle_101> your linux is likely ext2 or ext3
[03:45] <cycro> ext3
[03:45] <Eagle_101> how you convert between the two I'm not sure
[03:45] <cycro> oh
[03:45] <Eagle_101> I would nuke the NTFS, and then re-size the ext3 over it (but thats just a guess, don't do it unless someone confimrs)
[03:47] <cycro> il lask around
[03:48] <Eagle_101> cycro, I would try a google search
[03:48] <cycro> alright
[03:50] <Eagle_101> ok anyone know of a CD burning program that can do ISOs and run on windows vista
[03:50] <Eagle_101> I have a friend of mine converting :P
[03:58] <cycro> um
[03:58] <cycro> nero?
[03:58] <cycro> Eagle_101: nero burning rom
[03:58] <Eagle_101> nero burning?
[04:01] <cycro> yes
[04:01] <cycro> its a windows app
[04:01] <cycro> for burning everything
[04:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What Eagle_101 said for repartitioning - reformat the NTFS one as free space, then extend the EXT3 partition to include the entire disk.
[04:10] <cycro> oh
[04:11] <cycro> i have to reformat it?
[04:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, but that's what it sounded like you wanted to do.
[04:11] <cycro> mm
[04:11] <cycro> well right now
[04:11] <cycro> i want to turn my ntfs to ext3
[04:12] <cycro> then merge it with this ext3
[04:12] <Eagle_101> right
[04:12] <Eagle_101> then reformat the NTFS
[04:12] <Eagle_101> to freespace
[04:12] <cycro> it wont let me
[04:12] <cycro> its empty
[04:12] <Eagle_101> on and anyone know for a friend of mine how you can check how much ram you have on a LiveCD?
[04:13] <Eagle_101> cycro, so there is nothing in that space?
[04:13] <cycro> nope
[04:13] <Eagle_101> ok then take the original ext3 partition
[04:13] <cycro> thats this one
[04:13] <Eagle_101> and move it to cover the full drive
[04:13] <cycro> the ext3 is running xubuntu
[04:14] <Eagle_101> use gparted (if needed in a live CD)
[04:14] <Eagle_101> and simply extend the ext3 to cover the whole disk
[04:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: First line of `cat /proc/meminfo`.
[04:14] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks
[04:15] <cycro> mm
[04:15] <cycro> i have gparted open
[04:15] <cycro> both partitions have a lock symobl
[04:15] <cycro> is that good?
[04:15] <cycro> i opened gparted
[04:15] <cycro> but i cant do anything
[04:16] <grazie> cycro: you cannot manipulate mounted partition
[04:16] <cycro> oh
[04:16] <cycro> great
[04:16] <cycro> so now wat
[04:16] <grazie> cycro: unmount (can do this the gparted)
[04:16] <cycro> oh
[04:17] <cycro> wont let me
[04:17] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone here got a ubuntu server
[04:17] <grazie> cycro: then it's in use
[04:17] <bigfuzzyjesus> cause /me needs ubuntu server help
[04:17] <cycro> so how do i unuse it
[04:18] <Eagle_101> bigfuzzyjesus, for ubuntu help I would try #ubuntu ;)
[04:18] <Eagle_101> this is xubuntu
[04:18] <grazie> cycro: you have apps or processes using the partition...look at what apps you are running
[04:19] <cycro> oh
[04:19] <cycro> but nothing is using my ntfs partition
[04:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nah, GParted seems to have issues unmounting anything.
[04:19] <cycro> lol
[04:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Just unmount it normally.
[04:19] <cycro> o
[04:19] <cycro> im scared guys
[04:19] <cycro> i dont wna lose everytin
[04:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> Eagle_101, they all run the same shell and no one in #ubuntu runs a server and i know people in here do, and ubuntu-server people dont have anywhere to go... so
[04:19] <cycro> AGAIN
[04:20] <cycro> ubuntu is too noisy
[04:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bigfuzzyjesus: What's the problem?
[04:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> PuMpErNiCkLe, how do i start ssh and apache2 on my server and how do i set them up to start at boot?
[04:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (You should know by now not to incurr !anyone :p)
[04:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> PuMpErNiCkLe, they are installed
[04:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The ssh server, and not just the client?
[04:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> PuMpErNiCkLe, yeah
[04:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> i know how to set up the client
[04:22] <Eagle_101> ok I have a friend of mine who is going from windows to linux, and he wants to totally remove windows
[04:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> ssh name@ip
[04:22] <Eagle_101> does he just remove the NTFS partition?
[04:23] <Eagle_101> and put an ext3 in its place?
[04:24] <cycro> ud have to do it via liveCD
[04:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: Yeah, if he feels confident that he's done with the windows installation.
[04:24] <Eagle_101> he is confident (it is a second computer)
[04:24] <Eagle_101> so just reformat NTFS to freespace?
[04:24] <Eagle_101> then overlay the ext3
[04:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nah, if he's installing, just reformat the entire disk as ext3.
[04:25] <Eagle_101> how do I tell him to do that?
[04:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's an option in the install cd.
[04:25] <Eagle_101> I think he wants 3 partitions?
[04:26] <Eagle_101> one for /home/ one for / and one for swap
[04:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> When he gets to the partitioner, it will list a few options, and 'use entire disk' is one of them.
[04:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or he can manually reppartition as needed.
[04:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/reppartition/repartition/
[04:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bigfuzzyjesus: Does `netstat -tulpn` show sshd?
[04:27] <Eagle_101> yeah he is manually doing the partition
[04:36] <cycro> does gparted merge partitions?
[04:42] <Eagle_101> cycro, why would you need to merge....
[04:42] <Eagle_101> I would think it would have the capacity
[04:42] <cycro> i want to merge because i will have to separate ext3 partitions
[04:43] <cycro> Eagle_101: i want to combine all the partitions into 1
[04:44] <Eagle_101> are any of them NTFS?
[04:44] <Eagle_101> cycro, I can't believe you are still mucking with partitoins
[04:44] <Eagle_101> :P
[04:45] <cycro> yes
[04:45] <cycro> 1 is ntfs
[04:45] <cycro> which i plan to convert to ext3
[04:45] <Eagle_101> if any of them are NTFS, you need to make that freespace
[04:45] <cycro> by deleting it?
[04:46] <Eagle_101> cycro, yeah make it freespace
[04:46] <Eagle_101> then extend the original ext3 partition over where the other one was
[04:47] <Eagle_101> and BACK UP your data
[04:47] <grazie> cycro: you cannot go from ntfs to ext3 wthout data loss
[04:47] <cycro> grazie: ive lost all my data already :P
[04:47] <cycro> im tryin to make it ext3 so i can recover again
[04:48] <grazie> cycro: that's not sensible
[04:48] <cycro> grazie: care to hear the whole thing?
[04:48] <grazie> cycro: ?
[04:50] <cycro> grazie: right now i have 2 partitions, 1 ext3 that is running this xubuntu, and an empty ntfs. I recently accidently erased all data off my hard drive, so that's why i have this. now i plan to use photorec to recover my files, but i need the entire hdd to be ext3
[04:51] <cycro> do you have any better ideas?
[04:51] <grazie> cycro: converting ntfs to ext3 will result in further loss of data
[04:51] <cycro> grazie: its either that or install windows xp and try to recover from there
[04:51] <cycro> but photorec seems like a really good program
[04:51] <grazie> cycro: no. there are some very good ntfs recovery tools
[04:52] <cycro> grazie: ive tried ntfsundelete, but it doesnt work
[04:52] <cycro> grazie: know of any others?
[04:53] <grazie> cycro: I've used some before, but not for a long. If you want good recovery of ntfs you have to do it from windows (it's a no brainer)
[04:54] <cycro> grazie: yes but that means i have to reformat my ntfs and reinstall xp..wont that result in more loss as well?
[04:55] <grazie> cycro: no, you must not do anything with the partition you are trying to recover
[04:56] <grazie> cycro: i would ceate a second xp partition and recover the lost partition form there
[04:56] <cycro> grazie: wat do u mean?
[04:56] <cycro> grazie: partition my ntfs into 2?
[04:56] <Eagle_101> no
[04:57] <Eagle_101> partition your ext3 if you must
[04:57] <Eagle_101> you don't want to modify the partition that you want to recover
[04:57] <grazie> cycro: you have a linux partition(s) and a lost ntfs partition, yes?
[04:57] <cycro> grazie: no, i have 1 linux partition, and 1 ntfs partition
[04:58] <cycro> and the thing is, i lost data from my Whole drive because before it was ntfs
[04:58] <cycro> so i figure if i make it all 1 type again..
[04:59] <grazie> cycro: your linux partition has at least 2 partitions (swap and /)
[04:59] <cycro> i dont think i did a swap
[04:59] <cycro> grazie: when i installed xubuntu, it said something about a swap, but i ignored it
[04:59] <grazie> cycro: you're not following I don't think
[04:59] <cycro> grazie: most liekly not
[05:00] <cycro> grazie: when i open gparted, it says i only have 2 partitions
[05:00] <Eagle_101> so that means no swap
[05:00] <cycro> lol
[05:00] <cycro> is that bad?
[05:00] <cycro> dont tell me i gota resintall linux-_-
[05:01] <grazie> cycro: the best chance of recovering the data means that you must not change the data on the disk in any way
[05:01] <cycro> grazie: there is no data on the disk
[05:01] <Eagle_101> ....
[05:01] <cycro> ..
[05:02] <grazie> cycro:  Yes there is! That's what you're trying to recover! Isn't it?
[05:02] <cycro> grazie: well it got deleted
[05:02] <cycro> grazie: so im tryin to recover formatted/deleted files
[05:03] <grazie> cycro: you mean you can't see it any more, but it's still there or at least a lot of it is (you hope!)
[05:03] <cycro> grazie: yes
[05:04] <grazie> cycro: it that data is valuable this is what I would do...
[05:04] <cycro> grazie: ..
[05:05] <grazie> cycro: buy a second a disk big enough to install xp and the data size you want to recover and them some extra
[05:06] <grazie> install xp and ntds recovery tools on the second disk
[05:06] <grazie> ntfs*
[05:06] <cycro> oo
[05:07] <grazie> recover the lost ntfs partition to the new second drive
[05:07] <cycro> i see
[05:07] <grazie> you might get nothing, but it's the best chance you've got
[05:08] <cycro> ive been using a program called photorecx
[05:08] <cycro> photorec*
[05:08] <cycro> and its been working amazingly at recovering files
[05:09] <grazie> have you recovered anything yet?
[05:10] <cycro> yes
[05:10] <cycro> 1.8gb of mp3 files
[05:10] <grazie> great...but being able to see the files and being actually able to recover the data is not the same thing
[05:11] <cycro> ive been listening to the files
[05:11] <grazie> so what's you problem then?
[05:11] <grazie> your*
[05:20] <cycro> 1) the files recovered have useless names
[05:20] <cycro> and 2) right now this linux partition is 8gb, and i have 80gb of files i want to recover
[05:21] <cycro> grazie: wat do u sugges?
[05:22] <grazie> cycro: which is why recovering an ntfs partition from an os that's is based on ntfs is likely to have more success
[05:23] <cycro> grazie: but that means reformatting to install xp, and although its not reformatting anything, isnt it still bad?
[05:23] <Eagle_101> cycro, that is why you need a second HD\
[05:24] <cycro> i have a second hd, but its full too
[05:24] <cycro> -_-
[05:24] <Eagle_101> then get a 3rd one
[05:25] <cycro> yeah
[05:25] <grazie> cycro: if the disk costs more than what the lost data is worth to you...don't waste your time
[05:26] <cycro> grazie: i lost about 80gb of music which id like back
[05:26] <Eagle_101> cycro, then buy a 3rd disk
[05:26] <cycro> mm
[05:27] <cycro> but see
[05:27] <Eagle_101> do the instructions that grazie told you
[05:27] <cycro> i made a new disk label
[05:27] <cycro> using gparted
[05:27] <cycro> that is wat deleted my files
[05:27] <cycro> and it deleted them in 5 seconds
[05:27] <cycro> how is that possible?
[05:27] <grazie> cycro: data recovery professionals charge lots of dosh for doing what I've just told you
[05:28] <cycro> ack
[05:28] <cycro> too muich hassle to open up my pc
[05:29] <cycro> i have to go now
[05:29] <cycro> thanks for all the help
[05:29] <cycro> ill be back tomorow
[05:29] <Eagle_101> welcome :D
[05:29] <cycro> good night
[05:29] <cycro> :)
[05:29] <Eagle_101> if you want to get the data
[05:29] <cycro> yeh
[05:29] <Eagle_101> you need a new disk :P
[05:29] <cycro> oie
[05:29] <cycro> alrigt
[05:29] <cycro> night
[05:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wow, man.
[05:37] <grazie> why do we bother!
[05:37] <Eagle_101> heh
[05:40] <Betacommand> I need a hand configreing my modem I just installed Xubuntu for the first time :)
[05:41] <Eagle_101> hey Betacommand I just found it
[05:41] <Betacommand> how?
[05:41] <Eagle_101> go to applications > System > Networking
[05:42] <Betacommand> there
[05:42] <Eagle_101> from there I don't know
[05:42] <Eagle_101> I don't want to mess with mine :P
[05:42] <Eagle_101> but that has something about modem connection :P
[05:43] <Betacommand> what port is yours on?
[05:43] <Eagle_101> mine?
[05:43] <Betacommand> yeah
[05:44] <Eagle_101> none I'm on DHCP
[05:44] <Eagle_101> not a Modem connection
[05:53] <Betacommand> anyone there
[05:55] <Eagle_101> anyone here know how to configure a modem?
[05:55] <Eagle_101> !modem
[05:55] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:55] <Eagle_101> Betacommand, ;)
[05:55] <Betacommand> thanks
[06:12] <Eagle_101> !floppy
[06:12] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[06:13] <Eagle_101> no
[06:13] <Eagle_101> where in linux does it list external devices, like my CD or floppy drive
[06:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In /dev, with the other devices.
[06:16] <Eagle_101> ok, so what would my cd drive look like?
[06:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc, most likely.  (/dev/sdc instead of /dev/hdc if you're on Feisty.)
[06:20] <Eagle_101> right
[06:20] <Eagle_101> and a floppydrive would look like?
[06:20] <Eagle_101> as to access the contents of a floppy?
[06:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> /dev/fd0, most likely.  It's in the link you just got off the bot.
[06:22] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe, ok, I'm trying to help a friend of mine again.
[06:22] <Eagle_101> thanks
[06:26] <krash123> hi all
[06:27] <Eagle_101> howdy
[06:59] <Athensman> i cant get xubuntu to install can anyone here help me
[07:02] <grazie> Athensman: hi there
[07:02] <grazie> what's the problem?
[07:06] <Athensman> is there a way you can install xubuntu while in windows?
[07:07] <Eagle_101> Athensman, no
[07:07] <Eagle_101> Athensman, get a live CD
[07:07] <Eagle_101> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[07:09] <grazie> Athensman: you could install virtualization software like vmware or virtualbox and run a virtual xubuntu on windows
[07:09] <Eagle_101> mmm grazie interesting :D
[07:10] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: that's what I do
[07:10] <grazie> Athensman: but you'd need quite a high machine and at least 512M of ram (I'd say)
[07:10] <grazie> Athensman: live cd is the best option
[07:11] <grazie> high spec machine*
[07:37] <EagleZzZ> !iso
[07:37] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[07:37] <EagleZzZ> !burn
[07:37] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[07:37] <EagleZzZ> !cdrecord
[07:37] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[07:44] <grazie> EagleZzZ: you must be sleep walking :)
[07:44] <EagleZzZ> grazie, yeah :D
[07:44] <Darkkish> I think xubuntu has a mem leak
[07:44] <Darkkish> :-/
[07:44] <EagleZzZ> working on burning this gentoo liveCD
[07:44] <EagleZzZ> Darkkish, really?
[07:44] <Darkkish> well
[07:45] <Darkkish> EagleZzZ, I have a pretty clean install and its been running 5 days now, and when i open it the memory is always around 75% used but when i restart it its around %15 to 20 and it just builds back up over a couple of days
[07:46] <EagleZzZ> mmm and you are running no applications?
[07:48] <Darkkish> well nothing but gaim, but there are no current connections on gaim
[07:48] <grazie> Darkkish: TheSheep was talking about it earlier...there was a bug on edgy but the leak should be plugged.
[07:48] <Darkkish> interestingly enough, in the ammount of time that i've been talking to you it dropped from about379MB to 220
[07:48] <Darkkish> and i've not closed any programs
[07:48] <Darkkish> hm
[07:48] <Darkkish> maybe its fixed who knows
[07:49] <Darkkish> i havn't restarted in a while
[07:49] <Darkkish> and i just did an update
[07:49] <grazie> Darkkish: the log server is down or I'd get you the bug report....search launchpad
[07:56] <Darkkish> i should try swiftfox
[07:56] <Darkkish> can i have it installd at the same time as firefox?
[08:01] <Darkkish> i'm so lonely
[08:02] <EagleZzZ> Darkkish, what is swiftfox
[08:02] <Darkkish> !swiftfox | EagleZzZ
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <Darkkish> hmm
[08:02] <Darkkish> google it
[08:03] <EagleZzZ> heh
[08:03] <grazie> Darkkish: I've got both installed ok
[08:03] <Darkkish> grazie, does swiftfox show a performance increase?
[08:04] <grazie> I can't see much improvement...but I'm not a ff fan
[08:05] <EagleZzZ> optimized firefox eh?
[08:05] <EagleZzZ> grazie, what browser you like?
[08:05] <maxamillion> EagleZzZ: swiftfox? ... yeah, its more trouble than its worth though ... wait for iceweasel
[08:05] <EagleZzZ> what is that :P
[08:05] <EagleZzZ> !iceweasel
[08:06] <ubotu> Iceweasel's homepage is http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ with more detailed information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel
[08:07] <maxamillion> grazie: how are you?
[08:07] <grazie> maxamillion: good...you?
[08:08] <maxamillion> grazie: can't complain ... and i can't stay ... just thought i would stop by and check on the channel before bed
[08:08] <grazie> maxamillion: must be late there
[08:08] <maxamillion> everyone been behaving lately? ... i've been horribly busy and haven't had time to hang around here
[08:08] <maxamillion> its 0100 here
[08:09] <maxamillion> anyhoo ...
[08:10] <grazie> behaviour.....just the usual....people asking for advice and then completely ignoring it
[08:10] <maxamillion> off to bed, i'll be reading the logs so everyone play nice! :)
[08:10] <grazie> nite
[08:10] <maxamillion> grazie: lol ... story of the life of a linux community memeber
[08:10] <maxamillion> ;)
[08:10] <maxamillion> laters
[09:30] <BFTD> hrm, Firefox just randomly crashes...
[09:30] <kalikiana> it should not normally.
[09:31] <kalikiana> with me it crashes about twice a month.
[09:32] <BFTD> hrm
[09:32] <BFTD> it crashes when viewing myspace profiles....hahaha
[09:32] <BFTD> thats not firefox, thats myspace
[09:32] <kalikiana> maybe a java(script) issue?
[09:33] <kalikiana> try disabling that
[09:36] <BFTD> or, rather the fact that java script WASN'T enabled
[09:36] <kalikiana> i don't think so. that must not result in a crash.
[09:36] <BFTD> hrm
[09:37] <BFTD> yeah it just crashed
[09:37] <BFTD> so not java script
[09:37] <kalikiana> so it can still be flash or java.
[09:39] <BFTD> ah
[09:39] <BFTD> I got it
[09:39] <BFTD> "Smooth scrolling"
[09:39] <kalikiana> Hm.. I never figured out what that's actually for. *g
[09:40] <BFTD> haha
[09:40] <BFTD> well
[09:40] <BFTD> turn it off anyways
[09:41] <kalikiana> It's off with me anyways. But good to know that one.
[09:43] <kalikiana> Gotta eat now, see you!
[09:59] <zoidberg> hey guys i have a question
[10:00] <zoidberg> is there a xubuntu(xfce) ipod application
[10:00] <zoidberg> ?
[10:00] <gabkdlly> !ipod | zoidberg
[10:00] <ubotu> zoidberg: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[11:18] <ryno> Morning. I changed my User Interface Prefs to Xfce-Dusk and really like how it looks now, the only problem is my forms and certain text is disappearing in Firefox. Is there a way I can customize that?
[11:33] <trevorv> Hiya, I was just wondering what PDF viewer Xubuntu uses by default?
[11:37] <ryno> I would guess Document Viewer/
[11:38] <trevorv> is that evince?
[11:39] <ryno> Yeah
[11:39] <trevorv> ok ta :-)
[11:39] <ryno> I'm pretty sure I had it by default when I installed a few weeks ago
[11:39] <trevorv> I just wasn't sure if that had a ton of GNOME deps where it's billed as a GNOME app
[11:40] <ryno> Well, it's lightweight Gnome
[11:40] <trevorv> yeah sure
[11:40] <ryno> My computer is older and it runs better than Ubuntu or KUbuntu
[11:40] <ryno> Because the WM is XFCE
[11:41] <trevorv> yeah, i'm using fluxbox on a small install, i was just after a pdf viewer with few deps
[11:41] <ryno> Xpdf
[11:41] <ryno> I don't know if it's in Linux binary? We had it in pkgsrc on NetBSD.
[11:42] <ryno> Yeah, I use Fvwm-Crystal when I need a ligthweight enviorment, but XFCE is actually pretty decent.
[11:42] <trevorv> mm, but thats always seemed fairly featureless and seems to muck up layouts fairly regularly, ill stick with evince for now at least :)
[11:42] <ryno> OK, yeah.
[11:42] <trevorv> yeah i used xubuntu for a while before the official release and it seemed good to me :)
[11:43] <ryno> I can sure do a lot more than on windows here
[11:43] <ryno> I mean I still crash sometimes
[11:43] <ryno> But I guess it's my fault for not getting a new computer since 2001 ;] 
[11:44] <trevorv> haha :) you shouldnt need to!
[11:48] <ryno> trevorv: Well, programmers get sloppy because they can, so programs take more and more RAM to run.
[11:48] <ryno> But then you also throw in the latest craze of technology and BAM, software inoperable for me. ;] 
[11:49] <trevorv> i know, begins to defeat the object of even having more RAM! I like projects like dyne:bolic optimised for old hardware :)
[11:49] <ryno> It's nice to be able to use almost any Linux program though. I've even managed to get my audio software from windows working on here with a slight skip in playback.
[11:50] <michup> hi, im using asus a3h5012(i910GPU) patform: dapper drake with linux 2.6.15-28-386 X-air:7.1.1 session: GNOME server glx:1.2 client glx:1.4 openGL:1.3 mesa:6.5.1 modules:i915, intel_agp, agpgart versions: 2.6.15-28-386 gcc-4.0 and i've 2 problems
[11:50] <ryno> I just need a new machine. I spent $500 on a hosting business gone bad.
[11:50] <michup> first when i click on red button "log off" my GNOME session freezes when beryl is on
[11:50] <michup> if i swich off beryl using beryl manager and then click on red button "log off" it works fine
[11:50] <michup> i've AIXGL/compiz/beryl with emerald window menager
[11:50] <trevorv> ryno, yeah, although im slowly becoming a command-line junkie... just ditched quod libet for mpd, learning emacs and LaTeX atm :)
[11:50] <michup> my second problem is that cedega 3d acceleration test fail
[11:50] <michup> opengl tests whent good
[11:50] <ryno> Update to edgy?
[11:50] <michup>  glxinfo says direct rendering is working
[11:51] <ryno> trevorv: I was looking into LaTeX but now I am going to go the DocBook way.
[11:51] <ryno> XML seems all the rage and it's the backbone for a lot of programs and websites.
[11:51] <ryno> But yeah if you know LaTeX
[11:52] <ryno> LaTeX I'll still learn eventually ;] 
[11:52] <trevorv> ryno, i've never used either before tbh, but LaTeX seems more versatile in that its not just aimed at docs
[11:52] <ryno> Yeah, I'm writing a book so I need something aimed at docs ;] 
[11:53] <ryno> Never enough hours in the day
[11:53] <trevorv> well, i think latex would still work fine... im thinking of using it for writing up my a level notes... i cant bear word processing any longer!
[11:53] <trevorv> you can say that again
[11:53] <trevorv> too much to learn and do
[11:54] <ryno> The man always gets in my way.
[11:54] <trevorv> The joys of lazy student life :-)
[11:54] <ryno> Because I have bills to pay, so I basically have to kiss butt on people's designs when all I want to be doing is writing music and stories or technical documents. :P
[11:54] <trevorv> what do you do?
[11:55] <ryno> Well, I am a freelance designer at the moment.
[11:55] <ryno> Contractor if you will.
[11:55] <trevorv> ah right :-)
[11:55] <ryno> So my boss flips out at me when I can figure something out.
[11:55] <ryno> can't
[11:55] <ryno> Or ask for money.
[11:56] <ryno> When there's still things to be done on the site.
[11:56] <ryno> He's all paranoid that it's not going to make him money anyway too.
[11:56] <trevorv> ah I just can't wait to graduate :P
[11:56] <ryno> He was watching the ratings on search engines like a hawk when I was working on the clock.
[11:56] <ryno> And I don't mean my band the clock. ;] 
[11:57] <trevorv> what do you play?
[11:57] <ryno> http://www.theclock.org
[11:57] <ryno> There's studio information
[11:57] <trevorv> ill check it out later :)
[11:58] <ryno> Well, I have three free albums on Jamendo, so feel free to listen. ;] 
[11:58] <Killerkiwi> What sound server does xubuntu edgy use?
[11:58] <trevorv> ah I love jamendo :)
[11:58] <ryno> alsa and oss
[11:58] <ryno> Me too, I am seeding for them right now
[11:59] <Killerkiwi> ryno, how do i manually start that?
[11:59] <trevorv> i would be if i had a bit torrent client installed right now heh
[11:59] <ryno> I use their jamseeder and download music that needs to be seeded
[11:59] <ryno> Plus I get to listen to some cool beats ;] 
[11:59] <ryno> Killerkiwi it should start automatically
[12:00] <ryno> Do you have alsa-base and the libs installed?
[12:00] <Killerkiwi> ryno, not if i have a custom x session to run freevo through it wont
[12:00] <ryno> Freevo?
[12:00] <Killerkiwi> it works using the default xcfe session
[12:00] <Killerkiwi> just need the start command
[12:01] <Killerkiwi> http://freevo.sourceforge.net/
[12:01] <ryno> What kind of card is it?
[12:01] <ryno> You have to modprobe it
[12:01] <ryno> But I think that's done at startup
[12:01] <Killerkiwi> yeah gdm has sound so it must be modprobed already
[12:01] <ryno> cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:02] <Killerkiwi> intel 82801aa
[12:02] <ryno> So what are you trying to use sound in?
[12:03] <ryno> Oh this frevo
[12:03] <Killerkiwi> freevo, i just need to start the sound server!! i used to do a esd & back in the day
[12:04] <ryno> Well, alsa is running
[12:04] <ryno> If it reported the mobo soundcard
[12:04] <ryno> cat /proc/asound/devices too
[12:05] <ryno> Then you have to configure whatever software to use alsa's hw0 device or whatever
[12:05] <Killerkiwi> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start
[12:06] <Killerkiwi> im guessing... 15mins og google later....
[12:06] <ryno> haha
[12:06] <ryno> I see this uses Mplayer
[12:06] <ryno> You might need to adjust the settings in there
[12:06] <ryno> Xine too
[12:06] <Killerkiwi> nope not found
[12:07] <ryno> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
[12:07] <ryno> ?
[12:08] <Killerkiwi> yeah alsa-utils
[12:08] <Killerkiwi> yay!!
[12:08] <ryno> :] 
[12:08] <Killerkiwi> freevo on a pentium 500mhz with 356mgb ram... didnt really think it would work
[12:09] <ryno> Have fun with that.
[12:10] <Killerkiwi> cheers
[12:13] <Killerkiwi> yay sound ;)
[12:18] <ryno> I am so sick of this website.
[12:19] <Killerkiwi> ?
[12:19] <ryno> My boss has unrealistic expectations and nobody is helping me fix the problems with it, so I am having money issues.
[12:20] <assasukasse> can anyone explain me this benchmark result? http://tinyurl.com/39z9q7
[12:21] <ryno> The main problem is he always wants the footer on the bottom of the page, which doesn't work with each template.
[12:21] <ryno> When I use an absolute positioning.
[12:22] <TheSheep> assasukasse: lol
[12:23] <TheSheep> assasukasse: sure, ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu all *the same* under the hood -- they only differ in the desktop environment and the default set of applications
[12:23] <TheSheep> assasukasse: this kind of test is pointless
[12:26] <assasukasse> TheSheep: but what about the speed test
[12:26] <TheSheep> assasukasse: where?
[12:27] <assasukasse> 2nd page
[12:28] <TheSheep> assasukasse: the gzip and encoding tools available on all 3 systems are *the same*
[12:29] <TheSheep> assasukasse: the differences are random
[12:29] <TheSheep> assasukasse: or maybe they are due to some caching that by chance "got it better" at one time
[12:30] <assasukasse> TheSheep: i am a gnome user, i wanted to switch to xfce for lightness, but this test seems to tell me that xfce is not lighter nor faster
[12:30] <TheSheep> assasukasse: the differences in speed in xubuntu, ubuntu and kubuntu come from using different apps -- if you use the same apps, you get the same results
[12:31] <TheSheep> assasukasse: this test tells nothing about xfce
[12:31] <TheSheep> assasukasse: it doesn't use xfce anywhere
[12:31] <TheSheep> assasukasse: it tests the performance of gzip, gcc and lame, which are all the same on all 3 systems
[12:33] <assasukasse> TheSheep: but i could use gnumeric on ubuntu as well, having faster performance than ooffice.
[12:33] <TheSheep> assasukasse: yes
[12:34] <TheSheep> assasukasse: and you can install and use xfce on ubuntu too -- in which case you have almost the same as xubuntu
[12:34] <assasukasse> so i don't see the point, i tought that xfce is faster and lighter than gnome...i am currently using debian with enlightenment and is FAST
[12:35] <TheSheep> assasukasse: xfce *is* faster and lighter than gnome -- it displays windows faster, it takes less ram, etc.
[12:35] <TheSheep> assasukasse: but that has nothing to do with gzip
[12:35] <TheSheep> assasukasse: these guys were testing wrong things :)
[12:36] <gpocentek> *g*
[12:36] <gpocentek> this is totally useless
[12:37] <TheSheep> I'm actually amazed they got any meaningful differences at all -- tells something about their test suite :)
[12:37] <gpocentek> hehe
[12:39] <MattJ> Any idea why it takes me a couple of clicks on 'Quit' for the logout/shutdown/reboot dialog to appear?
[12:39] <TheSheep> MattJ: no, but I have the same
[12:39] <MattJ> Odd
[12:40] <TheSheep> indeed
[12:40] <MattJ> I'm sure it didn't used to happen
[12:40] <TheSheep> looks like some race condition somewhere
[12:41] <MattJ> I'd be testing, if I had a PC spare
[12:41] <TheSheep> MattJ: actually, I'm using feisty
[12:41] <MattJ> :(
[12:42] <gpocentek> It doesn't happen here
[12:46] <assasukasse> TheSheep: sorry i got power off
[12:46] <assasukasse> what were u saying
[12:48] <TheSheep> 12:37 < TheSheep> I'm actually amazed they got any meaningful differences at  all -- tells something about their test suite :)
[12:57] <MarkCh> how can i force kde apps like konversation to hide on the xfce panel?
[12:57] <MarkCh> notification area
[01:00] <assasukasse> TheSheep: in your personal tests, gnome or xfce proved to be faster?
[01:03] <TheSheep> assasukasse: I didn't do any tests -- xfce just feels more responsive
[01:03] <TheSheep> assasukasse: and works on computers that no gnome can work on :)
[01:03] <assasukasse> TheSheep: the same seems to me, thunar is 100 times faster than  nautilus
[01:04] <TheSheep> assasukasse: but that can be a trick of well designed UI (showing reactions before it really finishes processing)
[01:05] <assasukasse> oic :D
[01:05] <assasukasse> i tried herd 5 and i love the transparency
[01:05] <assasukasse> of xfce
[01:05] <TheSheep> well, you get the same thing wit Compiz or Beryl
[01:05] <assasukasse> i used compiz on gnome and is not the same...
[01:05] <assasukasse> i was wondering what happens if i install compiz on xfce
[01:06] <MarkCh> why would you do that?
[01:06] <MarkCh> xfwm can compose
[01:06] <TheSheep> assasukasse: it works fine, except for the workspace switcher
[01:06] <MarkCh> the xfwm workspace switcher looks better than the beryl default though.
[01:06] <assasukasse> and the jello windows
[01:07] <assasukasse> beryl has always looked garbage to me..i dunno why
[01:07] <assasukasse> compiz far better
[01:07] <MarkCh> seriously xfce's compositing functions are ok enough for me. it transfers all the drawing loads off my cpu to the videocard.
[01:07] <TheSheep> assasukasse: I tried them both, and metacity too (when xfwm4 had this horrible bug with GIMP rendering my tablet useless), but I hate the way they place the windows
[01:08] <assasukasse> TheSheep: yea sometime they pop up in the upper corner..
[01:08] <MarkCh> The Sheep: place the windows?
[01:08] <TheSheep> MattJ: yes, xfce has some very smart algorithms for that
[01:08] <TheSheep> MattJ: beryl just doesn't care, just like ms windows
[01:09] <MarkCh> oh. beryl. beryl is annoying at putting windows for the first time.
[01:09] <TheSheep> annoying is an understatement :)
[01:10] <assasukasse> i dunno but u should try compiz from gandalfn repo
[01:10] <assasukasse> is the best i've tried so far
[01:10] <assasukasse> beryl gave me sickness after 30 mins of use..not talking about the bunch of useless plugins..like snows and so on...
[01:11] <vignesh> Hi! I get this error..  amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument  /usr/sbin/alsactl: get_control:209: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Capture Volume,0': Invalid argument
[01:12] <MarkCh> vignesh: try using the default mixer applet in xfce.
[02:08] <MarkCh> !hi
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[02:22] <fluppe> hi everyone, I'm quite new to xubuntu and am trying to get ndiswrapper installed so I can use my wireless network card. Does anyone know the apt-get command to install ndiswrapper ?
[02:23] <MarkCh> !ndiswrapper
[02:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:25] <fluppe> thanks, I'll check it out ...
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[02:33] <fluppe> okay, I got it installed now let's hope for the best
[03:54] <gabkdlly> do the various CD/DVD burning utilities (most of which I assume use cdrecord and co.) check whether everything got burned without errors?
[03:54] <gabkdlly> something like a checksum?
[04:01] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: there is an option for that when you boot the cd
[04:06] <grazie> gabkdlly: not sure, but I think k3b is the only linux app that does disk burn verify
[04:48] <stransky> I can't seem to access the Xubuntu 6.10 US download mirror.  I receive a 404 not found error.  Is this a known problem and if not, where should I report it?
[04:49] <MarkCh> stransky: you could try installing xubuntu-desktop from the repos instead.
[04:49] <MarkCh> it will coexist with your current installation.
[04:50] <stransky> Thanks but, I'm trying to install Xubuntu on a machine that currently has no operating system.  It has limited hardware and I would like to just have XFCE installed without installing all of Ubuntu.
[04:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'm sure someone realizes their server is dead.  The European ones seem okay, though.
[04:51] <MarkCh> stransky: try the other mirrors. the us mirror could be temporarily down as with any other servers.
[04:51] <stransky> OK, thanks.
[04:52] <MarkCh> youre welcome.
[07:39] (tonyyarusso/#xubuntu) TheSheep: What about a Pentium 2 with 128 MB RAM?
[07:39] (tonyyarusso/#xubuntu) nvm, you answered that :)
[07:49] <sacater> if i got a laptop with 366mhz processor, and 256 RAM, would xubuntu run on it okay?
[07:50] <maxamillion> sacater: it would run like a champ
[07:50] <sacater> maxamillion: great
[07:51] <maxamillion> sacater: certain applications will weigh a little heavy on the system but over all you will see a great performance increase
[07:51] <sacater> maxamillion: perfect....
[07:53] <maxamillion> sacater: well, mainly it will just be slight lag that will be expected with openening heavier applications, but over all 256mb of ram is more than enough to make xubuntu very usable
[07:53] <sacater> maxamillion: graet
[07:53] <maxamillion> :)
[07:53] <sacater> maxamillion: great*
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> Okay, as we all know OpenOffice.org has some opening speed issues.  Gnumeric and Abiword are decent alternatives to the spreadsheet and wordprocessor, but what about Impress?  Is there a lighter replacement for slideshows/presentations?
[07:56] <IRCER> hi
[07:57] <IRCER> I observed something that might be an error in the update manager, but I'm not sure
[08:00] <IRCER> maybe someone wants to help me?
[08:00] <IRCER> just a question
[08:01] <maxamillion> IRCER: update manager?
[08:01] <IRCER> yes: when I start it, it says "your system is up to date"
[08:02] <maxamillion> IRCER: anything like this ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] 
[08:02] <IRCER> first when i press the "check" button, it asks for a password
[08:02] <IRCER> and really checks
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Does Xubuntu have something like Add/Remove Programs in Gnome?  A simpler apt interface than Synaptic with limited selection of recommended packages by category?
[08:04] <IRCER> maxamillion: no, not hat bug. it does not crash
[08:05] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: yes, it has. under applications -> other
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> IRCER: cool
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> I'm also looking for recommendations of things to install for the following audience:  Thrift store customers and donation program recipients, getting old (PII and PIII) computers for cheap, from low-income families for basic office work, simple games, children's schoolwork, web browsing, that sort of thing.
[08:07] <maxamillion> IRCER: oh ... that's not a bug, in xubuntu the update manager doesn't automatically check for updates ... the user must manually do so, i think it was part of the "we think the update manager pop up window is annoying" thing
[08:07] <mark487> hi, where are xubuntu's settings on putting the hd's to sleep?
[08:08] <IRCER> maxamillion: but the message "your system is up to date" may be a false statement!
[08:08] <IRCER> maxamillion: in the case it IS NOT up to date
[08:09] <IRCER> maxamillion: thiss way, maybe someone will NEVER make an update
[08:09] <IRCER> maxamillion: because he will ALWAYS think his system is up to date
[08:10] <maxamillion> IRCER: as far as the update manager is concerned, your machine is up to date because it doesn't have the latest package list so it in tern _is_ up to date according to the information it currently has before checking for new updates
[08:11] <IRCER> maxamillion: Iknew you would tell me this ;)
[08:11] <IRCER> maxamillion: you studied maths, eh?
[08:12] <maxamillion> IRCER: no ... computer science
[08:12] <IRCER> maxamillion: my grandma will not understand your reasoning and never update her system
[08:12] <IRCER> maxamillion: though your reasoning is perfect
[08:13] <maxamillion> IRCER: right ... i believe this is something that continues to be debated
[08:13] <IRCER> maxamillion: now, what should I do? i'm new to xubuntu
[08:14] <maxamillion> IRCER: i do all my package management and system administration from the command line so it doesn't effect me, but i can understand that the general population doesn't share my passion for the way it used to be
[08:14] <maxamillion> IRCER: for now .... just click "check for updates" every so often
[08:14] <IRCER> maxamillion: good, and ubuntu is for the general population
[08:14] <IRCER> maxamillion: so i should not file a bug report
[08:15] <maxamillion> IRCER: you might want to file a feature request instead
[08:16] <maxamillion> IRCER: but if that is not possible ... then i would say a bug report would suffice
[08:16] <IRCER> maxamillion: ah, yes, where can I do that? launchpad?
[08:16] <maxamillion> IRCER: yup
[08:17] <IRCER> maxamillion: ok, in launchpad, i go to the  "update-manager" package. but the "feature" tab is disabled
[08:17] <maxamillion> IRCER: then just make it a bug report
[08:18] <maxamillion> IRCER: if the devels see it as a feature, you will be emailed ;)
[08:18] <IRCER> maxamillion: ok. i'll do right now. it is funny to be a tiny part in this huge work
[08:18] <IRCER> thank you all for keeping xubuntu going!
[08:19] <maxamillion> we try :)
[08:20] <somerville32> :)
[08:20] <IRCER> maxamillion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/35009
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35009 in update-manager "Says "System is up to date" when package lists not updated" [Low,In progress] 
[08:20] <IRCER> maxamillion: seems this is what I meant
[08:20] <maxamillion> apparenlty someone beat you to it ;)
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> Bleh - only other presentation tool I could find is criawips, but it looks pretty gnome-dependent
[08:21] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: zoho.com
[08:21] <IRCER> maxamillion: ok, but I'll keep on working for you
[08:21] <maxamillion> :)
[08:22] <mark487> anyone ---- where are power management settings in xubuntu?
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Online is no good - this is for a dialup-if-anything audience
[08:22] <maxamillion> mark487: add the plugin to the panel
[08:22] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: ouch
[08:24] <mark487> thanks max,   shouldn't i be able to get it within settings though?     or i guess power management isn't essential for basic users
[08:25] <maxamillion> mark487: yeah ... normally the average desktop user doesn't need power management ... there are other ways, but i find the panel plugin to be easiest
[08:28] <mark487> max: i just clicked on the panel and selected "add new item", and scrolled through the list, but didn't see anything on power management.   ideas?
[08:29] <malnilion> mark487, check synaptic for xfce panels?
[08:29] <maxamillion> mark487: try the battery monitor .... the config tool is a right click feature of that iirc
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> Could someone explain how XFCE differs from Dapper to Edgy interface-wise?
[08:31] <Prisoner_> hello
[08:31] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: it doesn't really, just a few different default configs ... application menu, theme, etc
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Ah, good.  I'll probably use Dapper on these then.
[08:32] <maxamillion> i gotta run ... laters all!
[08:33] <Prisoner_> anyone have a good recommendation for an audio player for Xubuntu?
[08:34] <somerville32> Yes.
[08:34] <somerville32> The gtk2+ one...
[08:34] <Prisoner_> gxzine?
[08:35] <Prisoner_> gxine?
[08:35] <somerville32> exaile
[08:35] <somerville32> :)
[08:35] <Prisoner_> ok
[08:35] <Prisoner_> was trying to play some .wav files and XMMS was driving me up the wall
[08:35] <Prisoner_> playing a CD in gxine right now, the visualizations are kind of cool
[08:36] <somerville32> hehe
[08:40] <flo_> how can i reconfigure xserver? i'vd tried xorgcfg xorgconfig but i get a comand not found
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> flo_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> How much does xdm use resources-wise?
[08:45] <grazie> tonyyarusso: a lot less than gdm, but it's not pretty. slim is supposed to be good and light
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> grazie: Thanks.
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> Anything in xubuntu-desktop that you might consider cruft?  I have to make some really trim systems, and am trying to decide between default Xubuntu or the much more tedious server install plus what I need manually.
[08:47] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: you can usually unistall the whole printing subsystem
[08:47] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: at least a large part of it if you want to still print
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Wouldn't a home user want that?
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> ah, yeah.
[08:48] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: you don't need every driver for every possible printer, usually
[08:48] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: the laptop support can go
[08:48] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: locale for all the languages you don't use
[08:49] <flo_> tonyyarusso:  thx
[08:49] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: probably also many font files
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[08:49] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: documentation and man pages
[08:49] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: example content
[08:49] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: on my laptop (3G harddrive, had to be slim) I found that the server install was a must, if you want gaim, abiword, xscreensaver, thunderbird, etc you can install them separately later - I didn't want any of this
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Any services using significant RAM to disable?
[08:49] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: xserver :D
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: what do you have on yours?
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: lol, that's a must for these machines.  They're being given to low-tech, low-income families.
[08:50] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: basic xfce4 install, gimp, firefox, xterm (I don't even use gdm or xdm)
[08:50] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: cron maybe -- but it's tiny. on a desktop you can leave everything for anacron
[08:50] <pleia2> and it's under a gig <3
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> nice
[08:51] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: you can use something lighter than gdm
[08:51] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: or just automatically log in and start x
[08:51] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: of course you can apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop and look through the dependencies
[08:52] <pleia2> there is actually a lot I don't use
[08:52] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: you can probably also safely remove the wireless drivers
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> grazie: slim doesn't seem to be in the repos
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: Yeah, I have that up now
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Yeah - these are desktops, definitely don't need that
[08:53] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: if they have all the same hardware, you could compile your own kernel and only add the modules that are really needed
[08:53] <Eagle_101> lovely my cd writer is not compatable >.>
[08:54] <Eagle_101> what do I do looking for a driver
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: No, they're pretty random machines - whatever gets donated
[08:56] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: compiling own locale set instead of installing all of them will save you considerable amount of space
[08:56] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: also, see the 'locale purge' for apt
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> I'll need at least English and Spanish, but probably not much more
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> lol at the localepurge warnings
[08:58] <Viper_iii> Anyone willing to help me figure out a basic virtual host configuration ??
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> Viper_iii: I might be able to try.  Maybe.
[08:59] <Viper_iii> Sorry not basic...LOL its on a Grandma's LAMP but has simple setup it looks like...
[08:59] <Viper_iii> Apache2 how and where might I add the virtualhost setup lines?
[08:59] <Viper_iii> apache2.conf
[08:59] <Viper_iii> or in a folder i see called enabled-sites
[09:00] <Viper_iii> 000-default.conf
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> 000-default
[09:01] <Viper_iii> the lamp itself is easy enough on xubuntu but I want multiple sites... I setup a single a record and added cnames for the vhosts....    when I edit in there it doesn't seem to grab the vhosts....
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> The fact that you just said the phrase "Grandma's LAMP" is awesome, btw.
[09:01] <Viper_iii> LOL
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> I'm not really familiar with CNAMEs, what are those for?
[09:02] <Viper_iii> http://canned-os.blogspot.com  seriously easy lamp...
[09:02] <Viper_iii> dns pointing...
[09:02] <Viper_iii> www.foo.com 192.168.1.1 well foo2.com resolves to foo.com
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> So you need VHOSTs that just are aliases for another, ya?  Are there actually multiple sites on here?
[09:03] <Viper_iii> but pulls a different docroot and displays a different site... I'm going to edit the 000-default.conf... YES just aliases
[09:03] <IRCER> hi all. just another question: why are there 2 printer services (cupsys and hplip) activated by default?
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Oh, if you want a different docroot then you don't mean what you said quite ;)  foo2.com resolves to the same IP as foo.com, not to foo.com itself.
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Viper_iii: ServerName I think is the line you need to change
[09:04] <Viper_iii> right.... that is correct.. I was typing fast... so yes a foo2.com cname foo.com
[09:06] <Viper_iii> Servername?  Why the default servername is fine... that is the root site or the default for that address...  the hostheaders separate the rest...
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> Hold on - let me get you a sample
[09:07] <Viper_iii> okay the darn  000-default file has a vhost in it...
[09:07] <Viper_iii> which is fine... but looks wierd...
[09:07] <Viper_iii> might also be the root of my headache...
[09:08] <Eagle_101> mmm odd, cdrecord did figure it out with some command line options :D
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> Viper_iii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8820/ - there's a second site down at the bottom
[09:12] <IRCER> ok, again: why do i need 2 printer services?
[09:12] <IRCER> is this a bug or a feature?
[09:13] <Qew> got a HP scanner?
[09:16] <Viper_iii> okay... that helped huge!!!
[09:16] <Viper_iii> I see where you were saying ServerName Now... duh... it did need that line someone was right I owe that person an apology!
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> :)
[09:20] <Viper_iii> well it took the lines... darn but its not redirecting to the alias when I go to Http://www.foo2.com it still resolves www.foo.com
[09:20] <grazie> tonyyarusso: I didn't know slim wasn't in the repos, sorry
[09:21] <tonyyarusso> Viper_iii: That's probably because of the cname thing - I'm guessing you don't actually want a cname.
[09:21] <Viper_iii> okay... it is working...
[09:21] <Viper_iii> I don't?
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> I'm not entirely sure, but I'd suggest carefully reading about what a CNAME does and deciding if that's what you meant.
[09:23] <Viper_iii> its working... ahhh... like you used a subdomain which is then redirected... a CName would be a different domain entirely aimed at the same IP like you said... then the Web server defines where it is looking based on the host header right?
[09:23] <Viper_iii> damn I'm lost....
[09:24] <Viper_iii> you were right that is all I know!!!??!!!
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> Viper_iii: Yeah
[09:31] <Qew> IRCER: you need hplip for HP scanners and printers. It gives additional features to HP scanners and printers. Best leave it alone.
[09:34] <Viper_iii> tonyyarusso: thx just so you can see what edits I made here they are... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8828/  I put a * on my edits or additions rather...  All works now  thx!!!
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> yw
[09:36] <Prisoner_> hello
[09:36] <IRCER> Qew: But I have no HP scanner or printer. Why is this the default? Does Xubuntu suppose everyone owning an HP printer or scanner?
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> They should - HPs are pretty much the only thing worth buying
[09:38] <Viper_iii> Anyone using intel 965 chipset and SATA Drives on Ubuntu with Dual Core yet?  965 Neo is my problem...  Trying to install on a board configured ICHR (I THink) Raid Array and it doesn't see the CD-rom 1/2 way through the install nor any of the HDD's when in Raid Mode...  Just checking
[09:38] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: why this?
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> IRCER: Quality of printer itself plus quality of Linux driver cooperation.  Epson's good if you only do B&W.  Lexmark is dirt.
[09:39] <Viper_iii> lexmark - IBM or ?
[09:40] <Viper_iii> ='s sorry
[09:42] <Prisoner_> have an audio cd playback issue with gxine
[09:42] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: I still don't understand why there are 2 printer daemons running by default. is this a bug or sa featur?
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> IRCER: I'd say feature, since otherwise people would have to start one.  If you don't want it, use sysv-rc-conf to disable
[09:44] <IRCER> tonyyarusso:
[09:44] <Qew> maybe your printer or scanner is a rebadged HP
[09:44] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: since xubuntu tries to be as lean as possible, i would expect only cupsd (if at all)
[09:47] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: BTW, my feisty fawn has no sysv-rc-conf
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> it's not default
[09:50] <Qew> also there's BUM (boot-up manager) if you want a GUI to control services.
[09:51] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: sure, it is default. i've just installed the latest xubuntu feisty fawn
[09:51] <TheSheep> IRCER: sysv-rc-conf is not installed by default
[09:51] <tonyyarusso> IRCER: I mean the program isn't
[09:51] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: that's why i am asking: should i file a bug report?
[09:51] <tonyyarusso> no
[09:53] <IRCER> tonyyarusso: then xubuntu has a service running by default that is useless for the majority of the users!
[09:55] <Viper_iii> tony just another thx.... was really trying to migrate my Open-audit to this vm-lamp server and you got me all up and running... I"m really pretty happy with Open-Audit I recommend it to anyone!!... thx again!
[09:56] <Prisoner_> hello
[09:56] <Viper_iii> hello?
[09:56] <Prisoner_> sorry typed in wrong window
[09:57] <Prisoner_> but am trying to solve an audio cd problem
[09:58] <Prisoner_> was trying to listen to an audio CD using gxine in Xubuntu
[09:59] <Prisoner_> it's a new age cd where all the tracks sound like they run together with no pause in between
[09:59] <Prisoner_> there's a brief pause in between each track which isn't desirable, any hints?
[10:01] <IRCER> i insist on my opinion. i have installed xubuntu to have a very lean distributiuon for my old IBM T21 laptop. and only a minority (<< 50%) of people i know has an HP printer attached to their computer. so i would like the hplip daemon to be DISABLED by default. i think it does not suit to xubuntu's philosophy.
[10:02] <Qew> IRCER: you haven't given us what make and models your printer and scanner are. They might, for all we know, be rebadged HP devices.
[10:14] <Viper_iii> well that ended that...
[10:15] <IRCE1> sorry, i had network problems
[10:15] <IRCE1> has there been any answer to my insisting in the last 10 minutes?
[10:16] <Viper_iii> nope.... what brand is your printer was the last question to you
[10:17] <IRCE1> i have no printer attahced to my notebook!!!
[10:18] <Viper_iii> oh... and that is where you have xubuntu?
[10:18] <W3bbo> Hi, I'm having problems installing Xubuntu under VirtualPC 2004, even under Safe Graphics mode it switches to unsupported 24-bit video
[10:19] <Viper_iii> you just want to disable those services ?  and wondering why they're there in the first place right?
[10:19] <Viper_iii> VPC 2004 Sucks...LOL sorry but it does
[10:19] <W3bbo> it's better for gaming than VMWare :)
[10:20] <Viper_iii> if you have to use ms product use virtual server 2005 its okay but not greate
[10:20] <Viper_iii> isn't there a vpc 2005?
[10:20] <W3bbo> but I got Ubuntu 6.06 working a while back, but not 6.10
[10:20] <W3bbo> no, there is VPC2007 but its in beta
[10:20] <W3bbo> MS released VPC Additions for Linux a while back
[10:20] <Viper_iii> oh....
[10:20] <IRCE1> Viper_iii: yes, exactly. as far as i understand, xubuntu tried to be as lean as possible. so why enabling a service by default that only a minority needs?
[10:21] <Viper_iii> yeah I remember running vpc o4 and it was a basic pain.. but worked...
[10:21] <W3bbo> it also helps to install VPC2004 SP1 ;)
[10:22] <Viper_iii> it enables those services because HP is an extremely common brand and most people who are using old machines also have old HP InkJets...  that makes sense to me that it uses a lean print service even though HP isn't the only one yes... but they do have a large market share...  good question but it seems they were just trying to get a broad audience
[10:23] <Viper_iii> VPC Sp1... wow only a SP1 for MS product 2 to 3 years old you would think that would be sp 3 by now at least!!... LOL (sorry had to throw it out there... )  and I'm a MS guy... duh
[10:23] <W3bbo> I'm bigger, I've got a WS2003 domain controller and Exchange server just for my home LAN
[10:24] <W3bbo> true story :)
[10:24] <Viper_iii> MCSE certs and I'd rather be here in the ubuntu group...heh
[10:24] <IRCE1> Viper_iii: ok, i do not know the exact of ratio of people actually having attahced an HP device to their machine, but even if this is > 50 %, i wonder why there is a second lpd running by default?
[10:25] <IRCE1> Viper_iii: i call this FAT ,not LEAN.
[10:25] <Viper_iii> I agree but I'll bet its not a big resource hog and helps those of us basic get through it easier...   The overall Graphics, services and other things are very lean... true a bit fat on printing but might be easier though?  (i really don't know)
[10:26] <Viper_iii> wow.. this Lamp server with xubuntu won't even let me log it out.... auto login... duh
[10:27] <IRCE1> Viper_iii: i am new to xubuntu and i am just trying to improve things i find to be illogical
[10:28] <IRCE1> Viper_iii: ok, i'll post a question to the xubunto-devel list
[10:32] <W3bbo> although this is more of an ubuntu question than Xubuntu, but when will Ubuntu come with XGL/Beryil? enabled by default?
[10:33] <Viper_iii> ooohhh... I want to know the same answer!!!
[10:34] <Viper_iii> now my question is what is the difference between compiz and beryil?
[10:34] <W3bbo> whilst I wait for an answer, Im letting my blood boil by Peter Popoff infomercials on youtube
[10:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:13] <ubuntu> hiho, anyone alive_
[11:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what s the best way of getting rid of errors in the ext3 file system? I am currently in the liveCD and executing    fsck -v /dev/sda4
[11:14] <FidelCapslock> Hi! Is it possible to install a full working, non-live version of xubuntu on a memory stick? Without having the problem that configuration and session is not saved?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> FidelCapslock: I tend to think it-s possible somehow
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> FidelCapslock: Sure, you can install to USB devices.
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> as long as it's big enough and your bios can boot it
[11:17] <hyper_ch> 4gb should be sufficient
[11:17] <FidelCapslock> I've already installed xubunut on my 4 GB kingston, but I cant save my session
[11:17] <FidelCapslock> :/
[11:17] <FidelCapslock> any good guides on how to fix this problem?
[11:18] <FidelCapslock> I am a new user to linux
[11:18] <slow-motion> n8
[11:20] <posingaspopular> i think there is a session saver
[11:20] <posingaspopular> i duno how though
[11:22] <FidelCapslock> say, Will this session saver include any changes in adding new users or will it just save my desktop settings?
[11:25] <Jester45> hello
[11:26] <Jester45> !flash
[11:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:26] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[11:28] <mark487> anyone know where I can find xubuntu's default display setting listed?
[11:31] <Owdgit> !trash
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> hey
[11:33] <mark487> anyone know where I can find xubuntu's default display setting listed?
[11:33] <mark487> searches don't seem to find it at xubuntu.com and the wiki...
[11:33] <mark487> hey
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> can anyone here help me with a weird "make" error
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> !pastebin
[11:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:34] <Lord_Maynoth> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8849/
[11:42] <Jester45> mark487: what kind of display settings? the color depth and resolution ?
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> If I wanted to start from a minimal install and get XFCE on top of that, should I use the server CD or the alternate?
[11:52] <BFTD> you can use both
[11:52] <BFTD> but minimal would be server
[11:53] <BFTD> alt. is just another way to isntall it
[11:53] <BFTD> without having to go through the GUI
[11:56] <cycro> hello
[11:56] <BFTD> hi
[11:56] <cycro> how do i fix W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA ?
[11:57] <BFTD> cycro you have to enter the key into your command line
[11:57] <cycro> how
[11:57] <BFTD> hrm
[11:57] <cycro> im tryin to install beryl
[11:57] <BFTD> you have to find it...and apply it, I'm not sure of the exact command
[11:57] <BFTD> yeah
[11:57] <BFTD> I figured that
[11:58] <cycro> lol
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: I think the alt has a "minimal" option though, and I don't know how that differs from server
[11:59] <BFTD> tonyyarusso I would only differ in the fact that it doesn't include the server software
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> BFTD: Nor does the server by default.  You have to check the LAMP box for it
[12:00] <BFTD> tonyyarusso no duh :P
[12:01] <BFTD> tonyyarusso it'll do the job
[12:01] <BFTD> all you gotta do is run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" to install xubuntu
[12:01] <massctrl> Hi, this will be asked a kazillion times, but how can I enable transparency in xfce? I've adapted my xorg as described in the forums etc,.... but I have no transparency options whatsoever in xfce after restarting,...
[12:02] <massctrl> transset doesn't give any result either,...
[12:03] <BFTD> massctrl have you tried applications > settings > Windows Manager Tweaks?
[12:03] <massctrl> BFTD, yes nothing relating to transparency,...
[12:04] <BFTD> hrm
[12:04] <BFTD> I'm not sure
[12:04] <BFTD> I'm not in Xubuntu atm so I can't see for myself
[12:05] <massctrl> my xorg.log says (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
[12:05] <massctrl> so that part looks ok though
[12:06] <BFTD> massctrl do you have your video drivers installed?
[12:10] <massctrl> hm, BFTD,... I have [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] ,... I suppose xorg is using the xorg provided ones
[12:10] <massctrl> btw is xfce in xubuntu compiled with xcomposite support ?
[12:10] <BFTD> no
[12:10] <massctrl> aha
[12:10] <BFTD> you need to install the ATi drivers
[12:10] <BFTD> however I don't think this will help you
[12:10] <massctrl> and install xfce with xcomposite support
[12:11] <BFTD> I guess
[12:11] <BFTD> haha, sorry, I'm a CLI guy
[12:17] <silya> Hi to all xubunusers!
[12:19] <BFTD> hi