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ypsilaleft side is ubuntu/edubuntu right side is kubuntu12:17
RiddellDaSkreech: only by not having an internet connection12:18
DaSkreechAh so if I yank the cord I get the option?12:18
ypsilacompare that to opensuse / debianforum / gentoo who where right opposite to us12:18
kwwiihehe! the display system made it!12:18
kwwiithat is amazing to see12:18
RiddellDaSkreech: you have to yank it before12:18
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kwwiisince I made it for linuxtag last year...good to see that it is still being used12:19
ypsilakwwii: :-D12:19
Riddellypsila: how did the stands compare?12:19
ypsilamom12:20
kwwiiRiddell: btw...I updated the script that renders oxygen...in svn there is a new file, you might want to check and see if I did the index.theme right12:21
alleeypsila: navigation between the photo is a pain.   Otherwise cool pics12:21
kwwiiallee: I thought the same thing12:22
kwwiithe pics are good, but moving between them is a hassle12:22
ypsilaallee: I know, we made the fotos available, when still beeing in Chemnitz, its not sorted and nothing12:22
kwwiiRiddell: how long will it take until packages are out for the new usplash?12:23
ypsilabut ppl "at home" where nosy12:23
alleeypsila: I mean when I look at the big pictures,  there are no next/prev buttons12:23
Riddellkwwii: kubuntu-artwork-usplash 1:7.04-25 is in the archives now12:24
ypsilaallee: I know what you mean. But I'm still ill, and had no time since yesterday night, when we came back to take care about that12:24
kwwiiRiddell: great, thanks :-)12:24
kwwiiso everyone needs to flip out and give their response12:24
alleeypsila: gute besserung12:24
ypsilaallee: oho dankeschn12:24
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Riddellhmm, installing the new usplash package didn't change the artwork12:26
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ZerlinnaRiddell for the CDs for cebit: torsten rahn from kde requested 999 via shipit some days ago.. is there any way to support his request from our side?12:27
Lureallee: imageplugins for fesity is on tonio's ftp12:27
alleeLure: thx downloading ...12:28
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RiddellZerlinna: not really, he has already e-mailed the shipit master12:29
ZerlinnaRiddell some of us will be at the kde booth to push kde on kubuntu, so a lot of kubuntu cds would be nice12:30
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alleeLure: there are in.  Thx again.12:38
Lureallee: thank you!12:38
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=== Lure -> bed, night all
ypsilagood night12:48
ypsilakwwii: about Berlin, when will you be there?12:50
Riddellypsila: do you know where the kubuntu poster is now?12:52
kwwiiypsila: I hope so, but am not 100% certain yet12:52
ypsilaRiddell: yes, I do :-)12:53
Riddellypsila: where would that be?12:53
ypsilaRiddelll: commander took all the booth stuff to dresden, because we thought that berlin would be the next fair12:54
Riddellgroovy12:54
ypsilawhy?12:54
Riddelljust to know it hasn't been lost and it'll appear at the next linuxtag12:55
ypsilano!12:55
Riddell?12:55
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ypsilawe gave it to him, because juliux from ubuntu lives at dresden too, so transportation to any other place should be possible12:56
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Riddellso... still groovy?12:56
ypsilaRiddell: I'm not to familiar with that kind of expressions, sorry for that12:57
apokryphosypsila: a very important word ;)12:57
ypsilabut it the poster is in good hands12:57
ypsilaapokryphos: then please explain it to me ;-)12:57
apokryphosypsila: a more original way of saying "cool" ;-)12:58
ypsilai got it, ding knew it12:58
ypsilakicher12:58
kwwiinight all12:59
Jucatobye kwwii! :)12:59
ypsilaRiddell: we take care of that stuff, dont worry12:59
kwwiisee you all soon, I hope :-)12:59
ypsilagood night kwwii don't eat to much weisswurscht12:59
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Hobbseeheya01:06
Jucatohi Hobbsee!01:06
Jucatowb apokryphos01:06
ryanakcahey Hobbsee01:06
apokryphosthanks 8)01:08
Hobbseehey Jucato, ryanakca!01:09
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=== ryanakca thinks kubuntu-devel should have some office/group management service... share contacts, dates/meeting times (have fridge imported in), etc... and work with KMail
ryanakcamake it easier to set up meeting times as well01:10
Hobbseeryanakca: could be fun01:10
=== ryanakca would set it up on ryanak.ca... but... it's a P3 with 386mb ram... and my ISP would probably disconnect me if they found out I had 30 devs connecting to my box every day
crimsunThen ask for a buntudot acct.01:12
ryanakca?01:13
Hobbseeryanakca: ask imbrandon for a buntudot account01:14
ryanakcaimbrandon: may I please have a buntudot account?01:15
ryanakcahmm... he's not there...01:15
ryanakcaWhat's a buntudot account?01:15
Hobbseeryanakca: webspace.01:15
Hobbseea shell, etc01:15
ryanakcaah01:16
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ryanakcayes, that's what it's called01:16
=== ryanakca had tried a couple of monthes ago... I had forgotten what it was called
ryanakcaHobbsee: would we be able to install one of those on it?01:16
Hobbseedunno01:17
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ryanakcaAh01:18
ryanakcasee yah01:18
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apokryphosoh no!01:19
Jucatohaha! :P01:19
apokryphos=)01:19
Jucatoemphasis on the *probably*01:19
ryanakcalol01:19
apokryphosadd it, definitely01:19
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ryanakcaJucato: I'll add mine once I write something in it01:19
crimsunI'd totally add my blog.01:20
ryanakcamy last blog went 3 months without a post...01:20
ajmitchcrimsun: isn't it good not blogging?01:20
=== Jucato is not very confident of his WP skills... don't want to flood the planet...
crimsunajmitch: quite.01:20
ryanakcaJucato: lol01:20
crimsun"fixed more patch_realtek.c bugs" is realllly exciting.01:20
Jucatothen again, only Blogger seems to do that :D01:20
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ryanakcaJucato: where you hosting it?01:21
JucatoDH01:21
Jucatonot hosted by me, but sharing w/ a friend :)01:21
ryanakcaah01:21
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nixternalhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2007-02-21.html03:45
nixternaldoh03:45
nixternalsorry03:45
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nixternalargh, System Settings -> User Management is broken - the module could not be loaded deal04:21
nixternaldisk and filesystems as well04:23
jjessei had to reinstalled kubuntu-desktop today :(04:23
jjesseafter an update04:24
nixternalouch04:24
Jucatosounds like a kde-guidance problem...04:25
nixternalya, not as bad as the kde-guidance issues in Edgy though04:28
nixternalonly 2 sections so far aren't working04:28
jjesseafter my update this evening, i didn't have any icons for adept :(04:30
jjesseor the program installed04:30
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jjesseneeded to do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:30
Jucatoisn't it recommended to have kubuntu-desktop installed when doing upgrades to a new release?04:31
nixternalyay, my machine just locked up04:37
jjesseJucato: this was a default feisty vm04:37
jjessei don't know what happened to my vm that i didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed04:37
crimsunnixternal: toldya not to run kubuntu as a guest OS inside an XP host.04:37
nixternalhahah shuhs04:37
Jucatooh....04:37
nixternalshush04:37
nixternaljjesse: my new project is KOrganizer. Did you see the email come across the KDE mailing list tonight?04:38
jjessenixternal: yeah i did04:38
jjessenixternal: after i finish my screenshots and get the book released i'll need your script for working on kde docs04:38
nixternalroger04:39
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nixternalI am going to start working hard on KDE4 and KOffice 2 stuff after the 8th04:40
yuriy_hi ash211_04:41
ash211_hey04:41
Jucatogood luck nixternal! :)04:42
nixternalheh, no doubt04:42
nixternalI need to get KDE4 back up and running04:42
nixternalthe last build I did from SVN was bad04:42
nixternaland building from SVN is an all day affair04:43
yuriy_ash211_: how are amarok bugs going?04:43
yuriy_i'm trying to organize a kubuntu desktop bug week and trying to choose packages now04:43
ash211i think i'm seeing a lot from the new apport system04:43
jjesseis kria no longer installed by default in feisty?04:43
ash211I'm not sure how to approach them04:43
jjesse!info krita feisty04:43
ubotukrita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3043 kB, installed size 9412 kB04:43
jjessedang04:43
JucatoO.o04:43
yuriy_ash211: yeah i'm stumped by those too. on one hand they already have all the information needed, on the other hand there are bound to be duplicates04:44
ash211i'd love it if we could have a classroom session on how to handle those from a bug triager's standpoint04:45
ash211has such a thing been done before?04:45
yuriy_ash211: but would it be productive to get a day on amarok or on  amarok+kaffeine, or are amarok bugs under control?04:45
ash211i can't think of anything really outstanding at the moment, so I'd guess I'd say they're mostly under control for amarok04:46
yuriy_k thanks04:46
crimsunash211: not yet, but you could check w/ admiral_chicago and gnomefreak, and possibly coordinate w/ pitti, for such a session04:46
ash211for times/dates of a session?04:46
crimsunash211: (the former two are on the mozillateam, and we see a ton of new apport stuff daily)04:46
crimsunash211: for "how to manage those from a bug triager's standpoint" and for logistics coordination04:47
ash211so those 3 would have good info to make such a session happen?04:48
crimsunthe former two have, as part of the mozillateam, begun writing documentation for "how to manage"04:48
crimsunpitti is of course the main developer behind apport04:48
crimsunso yes, getting all of them in a room is a good stat04:49
crimsunstart ^04:49
ash211sounds great.  I'd bet using bughelper could speed things up tremendously too04:49
crimsun.oO( walking through it would make a good screencast contrib, too )04:50
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ash211what exactlyl does retracing an apport crash do?04:52
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yuriyash211: i see what you mean by most of the amarok stuff being apport04:55
ash211yep, most of the recent bugs are from apport in amarok04:55
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ash211hey imbrandon04:57
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=== DaSkreech installs Windows
yuriy*screech*05:09
DaSkreechhi crimsun05:13
DaSkreechyuriy: tell me about it. Apparently they have this thing called "RL" that needs windows :(05:14
yuriyreal life needs windows?05:15
DaSkreechI keep telling them I have no need of SUN I don't care if it's free!05:15
DaSkreechBut they keep pushing me towards the Gates :(05:16
yuriyi hope we are talking about glass, helium, and a fence05:16
yuriy*hydrogen?05:16
DaSkreechFuzion!05:17
DaSkreechyuriy: sadly your rosegarden koloured spektakles are incorrekt05:20
yuriySun works better for me on kubuntu than it does on windows. java makes my screen go crazy and freezes my system in xp.05:21
DaSkreechWell I don't really care about all of that. I just need windows Xp05:23
DaSkreechI mean Windows Media Player05:23
yuriy*random guess* watching 24?05:26
DaSkreech*random answer* No05:26
yuriyfox doesn't support linux so i have to BT episodes :(05:27
yuriyeven though they're up for free legally on their site05:27
yuriyok i got a schedule up. don't have any multimedia in there though05:28
DaSkreechNo My mom paid for a course and the Course comes on Cds with WMv and an HDcryptology manager that requires it to be played through Official WMP05:29
DaSkreechMan this sucks05:32
DaSkreechI should start selling Linux for backwards compatibilty05:32
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imbrandonheya ash21105:41
Jucatoooh hi imbrandon!!!05:44
Jucato:)05:45
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nixternalis SuperKaramba installed by default with Kubuntu?06:04
nixternalnope, apt-cache is my hero :)06:05
Jucatonope06:05
Jucatobah...06:05
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ash211hey again imbrandon06:07
ash211yuriy and I were just talking about the state of bugs in amarok06:08
ash211do you think we need to spend a day on amarok in an upcoming kubuntu-desktop bugs day?06:10
ash211*kubuntu-desktop bugs week06:10
imbrandonash211, sure06:12
ash211we've been getting a lot of bugs from apport06:12
imbrandoni'm always down ( cept not right this second ) for some bug squishing06:12
ash211how can we handle all of those?06:12
crimsunspeaking of which, amarok just exploded06:13
imbrandongreat06:13
imbrandonbuild or running?06:13
crimsunI suspect it's due to libfaad06:13
imbrandonahh06:13
crimsunii  amarok         1.4.5-0ubuntu506:14
imbrandonahh edgy06:14
crimsun+106:14
crimsun(feisty)06:14
imbrandonhum only ubuntu5 ?06:14
imbrandonthats right 1.4.4 in edgy06:14
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imbrandoni've been playing alot with amarok2 lately, i need to get back to my amarok 1.x bug fixing06:16
Jucato:)06:16
crimsunit just doesn't look right here06:16
DaSkreech!06:16
DaSkreechI haven't read commit-digest yet!06:17
crimsunkde-style-klearlook + "pumpkin"06:17
imbrandonpumkin ?06:17
imbrandonDaSkreech, for?06:17
DaSkreechPumpkin?06:18
crimsunyeah, so the blue doesn't clash so readily w/ Human06:18
imbrandonohh your on gnome with amarok06:18
imbrandonyea probably dosent look so hot06:18
DaSkreechimbrandon: Should I be fitting into any of this conversation?06:19
imbrandoni dont see how DaSkreech06:19
Jucato:D06:19
DaSkreechimbrandon: What was the question for for?06:20
imbrandonyou said you hadent read the commit digest , i asked for what06:20
Jucato<DaSkreech> I haven't read commit-digest yet!06:20
DaSkreechfor this week.06:20
Jucatokde commit digest and the amarok stuff, I presume06:20
DaSkreechIt's one of those weekly thigns I rea06:20
DaSkreechd Like Foxtrot06:20
imbrandona user with too much time on their hands ;)06:21
Jucatoyes. because if he were a developer, he wouldn't have any time on any hand :D06:21
DaSkreechHey knowing whats going on is always a good thing06:22
crimsunthat's not necessarily true.06:22
crimsunsome developers find plenty of time to curse.06:22
crimsun<--  e.g.,06:22
Jucatolol06:22
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DaSkreechcrimsun: Was that Gateway issue resolved?06:23
imbrandoni have plenty of free time too but its always at the wrong times hehe06:23
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imbrandonlike now when i need to be doing something i'm too tired06:24
DaSkreechhttp://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2007/ft070304.gif06:24
DaSkreech:-D06:25
crimsunDaSkreech: ...the?06:27
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DaSkreechcrimsun: Alsa issue on the gateway laptop06:27
crimsunDaSkreech: which GW model?06:28
DaSkreech644606:28
DaSkreechcrimsun: This was in #alsa at 3:00 on Sunday morning06:29
crimsunDaSkreech: I need more info than that, like lspci -vvn06:30
imbrandongnight all , time for a nap, ash211 poke me when you go to amarok bug find/squash trip , i'll be glad to help etc etc etc06:30
ash211i think it's being planned for later sometime, maybe this week06:31
ash211but yeah, I'll make sure you know about it :)06:31
imbrandonk06:31
imbrandonash211, sometimes i'm hard to catch on irc lately, you can always poke me on jabber too ( brandon@ubuntuwire.com jabber account )06:32
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yuriyimbrandon: in case you're not gone yet, i could add amarok on there, when's a good time? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs06:33
yuriythe idea is mostly to get more people on bug triaging/squishing, i didn't put amarok on there because ash211 said it was mostly under control06:34
yuriybtw the splash screen in awn is hilarious06:35
ash211way to go for eye candy!06:36
DaSkreechNight all!06:37
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nixternalRiddelll: I will have a new docs package within the next 3 to 4 days08:01
nixternaluntranslated. translated docs won't be until sometime next month08:01
Jucatonixternal: you're tha man! :D08:01
nixternalthe exhausted man08:01
nixternalI just finished up the drafts tonight08:01
nixternalI still have to do a page that will list the topics for each help section08:02
Jucatoexhausted, but fulfilled? :D08:02
nixternalwhich isn't a big deal08:02
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Jucatolol08:02
Jucatonice catch hehe08:02
Jucatonixternal: these will all be for feisty?08:03
nixternalyes08:03
Jucatoaw... you rock! :D08:03
=== Jucato is excited to see... might consider helping *a bit* in docs for feisty+1
Hobbseenice :)08:04
=== Hobbsee might look thru, if she has time
yuriyway to go nixternal! also great blog post!08:06
=== Hobbsee should blog.
=== Jucato should be consistent in blogging...
=== ajmitch considerd blogging once
=== yuriy thinks/thought blogs are silly but just started one
crimsunI blogged an hour or so ago08:09
=== Jucato thinks blogs are useful and nice, but a bit overrated and not used to its maximum capabilities..
yuriywell, i think personal ones are silly08:10
crimsunat least I think that's the last triaging I did08:10
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yuriycrimsun: you're not on planet?08:12
crimsunyuriy: I don't need to be on planet. my blog is launchpad.net activity.08:12
Lurecrimsun: ;-)08:13
yuriy*confused*08:13
crimsunyuriy: it's an offhand way of saying that anything worthwhile that I've done shows up in the bugtracker ;)08:14
yuriythought that might be what you meant : )08:15
yuriyHobbsee: i put up a schedule but it's lacking a day08:36
Hobbseeyuriy: can you forward me the link pleaseA?08:37
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yuriyHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs08:38
yuriyHobbsee: late to work?08:38
Hobbseeyuriy: nope.  just wanting to know if i'd take on a supervising shift on one of the days08:38
Hobbseeyuriy: email please?  :)08:38
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yuriyHobbsee: sent, bye!08:42
Hobbseethanks!08:42
Jucatobye Hobbsee!08:43
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mhbnixternal: awww, too bad the localised docs missing won't be fixed at all10:35
mhbnixternal: (in Edgy, I mean) ... I'm allergic to the "it's working well for us English-speaking people so it's not important" cliche10:36
mhbnixternal: i.e. is there a sensible reason why it won't be fixed?10:37
mhbnixternal: (yeah, I know I'm acting too personal, but hey, the current attitude "we won't fix it" kinda says that the work of the many people that tried to translate it is worthless)10:40
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GNUro'lo!11:43
Tm_T!tor11:43
ubotutor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB11:43
Tm_TAch, not that.11:43
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Tm_TJucato: Thanks, you youngsters remember well. :)11:44
Jucatonah. I just learned that today myself :D11:44
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Riddellanyone have test reports of the new digikam?11:49
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Riddellmm, quite a changelog does digikam have12:00
Hobbseeheya :)12:03
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ryanakcawould Kubuntu be considered a "KDE Related Project"?12:47
apokryphoscompletely depends on what you're implying with that12:49
apokryphosit's a distribution that uses KDE; if that meets your criteria for calling it that, then sure12:49
ryanakcahttp://dot.kde.org/1115209184/12:51
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RiddellI'm sure Kolab already has a website12:52
alleewww.kolab.org ?12:52
ryanakcaIt does...12:53
alleeRiddell: digikam: I did some quick test last night.  And used beta1 rc1 and rc2 in the last weeks.  Nothing obvious broken, but I use only a small fraction of all the functionality12:53
alleeI've pointed kubuntu-testers now to Lure feisty debs12:53
ryanakcaallee: I know, except, going back to the idea of last night, I was wondering about a Kolab server for Kubuntu-devel, or at least a trial run12:54
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alleeryanakca: would be nice.  I've a kolab server to quite some time on my todo but never found time to (re)try.  I've played 2 year ago with the monster install, never with the .deb pkgs12:56
ryanakca"[06:55]  <ThomasAH> ryanakca: just looked at a live kolab system with 160 users: ~7GB in 41 days"12:56
ryanakcaallee: Yeah... I tried to install it a while back too... but... I don't think I can set it up on my server, since my ISP blocks port 25..12:57
ryanakcawe're about... say.. 45 who would/might use it... so, that's 2GB of bandwith per 41 days... I think...12:59
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Hobbseeapokryphos: can you keep watch please?01:07
apokryphoswatching01:07
apokryphosRiddell: your banning working again? :P01:09
Riddellapokryphos: my irssi restarted01:10
apokryphosheh01:10
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ryanakcaRiddell: I'll ssh in from school today and try to fix install-mp301:15
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Tonio_hi01:22
Hobbseehey Tonio_!01:22
Tonio_hey Hobbsee  ;)01:22
Tonio_still in vacation and no wireless access with linux -> can't work.....01:22
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Tonio_hi Jucato !01:23
Jucatowow vacation :)01:23
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HobbseeTonio_: ahhh01:24
Tonio_Jucato: I am on vacation since a few month now, but here I'm with my family01:24
Jucatofamily time. that's kool :)01:24
Jucatohope you're having fun :)01:24
Tonio_I wanted to build a test kernel wth kubuntu to fix an audio issue with macbook pro, but that's a bit hard to perform without any internet connection :)01:24
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Tonio_no network cable here, everything is wireless, so I'm doing with osx01:25
Jucatoooh :P01:25
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Tonio_Jucato: wait next week, I'll be back home and restart the work01:25
Tonio_on monday probably01:26
Jucatocan wait for weeks even. not that critical anyway. just your typical curiousity questions01:26
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Tonio_ryanakca: :)01:29
ryanakcaHey Tonio_01:29
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LureTonio_: afair, you did MIR for digikam. Can you remind me why MIR was not done also for digikamimageplugins?01:57
LureTonio_: imageplugins are considered more or less part of digikam and would make sense to have them in main and possibly also in ship01:57
Riddellthey won't fit on ship01:59
Tonio_ryanakca: private messages don't seem to work on that client :)02:00
Tonio_I'll have to find a better one for osx, please speak here :)02:00
Tonio_I don't even know if you can see that message02:01
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Tonio_re02:10
Tonio_ryanakca: should be okay this time02:10
Tonio_seems there is no really go irc client for osx02:10
RiddellTonio_: did you get lure's question?02:11
Lure[13:57]  <Lure> Tonio_: afair, you did MIR for digikam. Can you remind me why MIR was not done also for digikamimageplugins?02:11
Lure[13:57]  <Lure> Tonio_: imageplugins are considered more or less part of digikam and would make sense to have them in main and possibly also in ship02:11
Tonio_Riddell: hi ;) didn't get Lure's no....02:12
LureTonio_: hi & sorry to bother you while on vacation ;-02:12
Lure;-)02:12
Tonio_Lure that was decided during the meeting, as we didn't want to ship with it, as we already missed space on the cd02:12
Tonio_that's the only reason02:13
Lathiatmain != shipped on the cd02:13
Riddellshould be fine in supported02:13
LureTonio_: ok, I thought that, I was just concerned that there were some issues with it02:13
Riddellbut worth pointing out that last weeks DVDs were oversized02:13
LureRiddell: will try to write MIR tonight (new template wrom iwj is more detailed...)02:14
Tonio_Lathiat yes of course, but as we were on emergency I only did digikam for that reason02:14
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Tonio_there souldn't be any problem supporting this too02:14
LureRiddell, Tonio_: it will be my first MIR, so I will need some help for sure02:14
Tonio_Lure please ask if I'm arround, but there is not that much chance :)02:14
Tonio_Lure only 5 days back with family and friends, hard to find time for everyone02:15
LureTonio_: no pb, I will bug Riddell ;-)02:15
LureI am bugging him already for 0.9.1 inclusion ;-)02:15
RiddellI've asked for the UVF exception for that02:16
Tonio_hehe, okay02:16
Tonio_once back I'll try to focus a bit on macbook pro support, as everything worked with edgy and there are still big issues with feisty02:18
Tonio_first will be kernel patch for sound02:18
Tonio_then ndiswrapper kernel panic issue (wich seems to be general issue, not only with macbooks)02:18
Tonio_Riddell are there specific kubutu issues I should add to my todo ?02:19
Tonio_Riddell no way for me to track the passwords/dots issue, seems a nightmare to reproduce02:19
Tonio_Riddell I had the issue and then after a reboot with no upgrade, it dissapeared...., but that's minor issue btw02:20
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Tonio_re....02:22
Tonio_lots of osx apps seems to have little issues with the dock.... they are still alive but invisible....02:22
Tonio_Riddell sorry if you responded, I didn't saw your messages.....02:22
Tonio_I can't wait to be able to use linux on that machine...02:23
Riddellnothing kubuntu specific on macbook that I know of, but check that power manager and laptop buttons work02:24
Tonio_Riddell and concerning kubutu general issues you'd like me to work on ?02:27
Tonio_Riddell I already tested kubuntu on a mac, no specific problem related to kde02:27
Riddellfix scribus in dapper?02:27
Tonio_Riddell concerning laptop buttons, the sound works, but nothing with the backlight or backlight keyboard, we should look at pommed oftware concerning this02:28
Tonio_Riddell is it broken ?02:28
Tonio_Riddell pommed fails on feisty and works on edgy, as it is an alioth proect, I'll contact upstream as it works on debian, should on ubuntu too02:29
RiddellI have no idea what pommed oftware is02:29
Tonio_Lure I emailed cjwatson concerning this, no response yet (I doubt any in the future !)02:29
RiddellTonio_: about what?02:29
Tonio_Riddell about macbook pro support, Lure told me he wanted to work on this02:31
Tonio_Riddell I already have a kernel patch to test for the speakers issue, and a second one for ndiswrapper02:31
Tonio_Riddellonce that's fixed, there is just pommed to get to work for a very good support02:31
Tonio_Riddell pommed cannot be replaced by laptop-buttons things as it uses the sensor or automatic settings of keyboard and screen backlight02:32
Tonio_kwwii you complained about that, you might be happy when it works :)02:32
kwwiiTonio_: well, now I have an ibm laptop :-)02:33
Tonio_kwwii ah... :)02:33
kwwiiwhich means my ppc runs osx now - better in the long run anyway02:35
Tonio_kwwii hehe, true :)02:35
Lurekwwii: rotate_cw and rotate_ccw are mixed up in Oxygen - whom should I ping?02:45
Lurekwwii: problem is that oxygen is in major rename, so not sure if it is wothwhile to report at all02:45
kwwiiLure: in the new svn stuff?02:49
kwwiiLure: with the new names, you mean?02:49
Lurekwwii: old - I wanted to properly report, but now I see only rotate.svg in theme/svg/actions02:50
Lurekwwii: I am using oxygen_2007-02-15-14-50.tar.gz and was confused when implementing rotate left/right for digikam ;-)02:50
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Lurekwwii: now it looks like it is ./svg/actions/object-rotate-left.svg and ./svg/actions/object-rotate-right.svg02:51
kwwiiLure: yeah, so now they are correct :-)02:52
Lurekwwii: ok, they are correct now - sorry to bothering you.02:52
kwwiinp ;-)02:52
Lurekwwii: sometimes you just need to talk to someone to see where the problem is ;-)02:52
kwwiihehe, no doubt02:53
_StefanS_kwwii: show me the graphics !02:57
_StefanS_kwwii: :D02:57
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nixternalmhb: there was no reason given, that was what I was told concerning the local issues with edgy docs03:35
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bddebianHeya03:52
Jucatohi bddebian03:52
bddebianHi Jucato03:53
Riddellhas anyone tested the new kubuntu-artwork-usplash?  does it show the new logo?03:59
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Riddellmm, I see the problem04:00
nixternaloh ya, well I see dead people04:01
bddebianhaha04:01
nixternalI haven't seen the new splash yet04:02
nixternalexcept for a picture that kwwii showed me last week04:02
Riddellit looks a lot like that04:02
nixternalit did look good though, I will say that04:03
\shhmmm04:07
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mhbnixternal: who decided it?04:07
mhbnixternal: ya, I thought it was not your decision04:08
Riddellmaybe network-manager04:08
nixternalmhb: who ever controls the string stuff for Ubuntu04:08
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mhbnixternal: I really feel like complaining to somebody04:08
Riddell** qt 3.3.8 testers needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-qt/ ./04:08
mhbRiddell: I can do that in a jiffy04:08
nixternalmhb: I had actually uploaded a patch to fix the issue, a big one at that, and then they said since Edgy wasn't a major release and would soon be replaced by Feisty, it wasn't worth it getting an SRU for it04:08
\shRiddell: looks like...this shouldn't happen04:08
mhbnixternal: yeah, but what I feel is that they say "who cares about the work that translators did"04:09
mhbnixternal: and thats what I do, translate04:10
nixternalI hear you mhb. I hate it as well04:11
nixternalI think it is nuts that we have something like 100 bugs for typos and what not and we can't fix them until the next release04:11
nixternalI think it is e.tarded truthfully04:12
mhbnixternal: well the language packs get updated sometimes04:12
mhbnixternal: after the release04:12
nixternalya, but not for Edgy I guess04:12
mhbRiddell: is that package for feisty or edgy?04:13
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Riddellmhb: feisty04:18
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Riddellooh, it solves the scribus spinbox issue for me04:20
manchickenThat ugly debconf issue is here again.04:23
Riddellmanchicken: which one?04:24
manchickenNice value incorrect one.04:24
Riddell?04:24
manchickenhttp://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=14104:26
Riddellrocking04:27
Riddellhow did you get that?04:27
manchickenI'm just running adept_update from adept_notifier in feisty.04:28
manchickenThen after you're forced to cancel that a couple times adept errors out citing dependency failures.04:28
Jucatohi manchicken :)04:29
Riddellnasty04:30
manchickenyup04:31
manchickenhiya Jucato04:31
manchickenThat issue has been biting me for a while.04:31
kdefreakRiddell: ok, so, the install mp3 script on feisty and edgy are identical, right^04:34
Riddellkdefreak: it hasn't been touched04:34
kdefreaks/^/?04:34
Riddellthe feisty one needs changing to not enable multiverse and to install the xine-ffmpeg package04:34
kdefreakhmm... works on edgy...04:34
kdefreakah04:34
kdefreakkk04:34
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RiddellLure, allee: I got approval to upload digikam04:37
LureRiddell: great!04:40
LureRiddell: so is libkexiv2 already through source NEW queue?04:41
Lureotherwise build will fail04:41
mhbnixternal: I just emailed jono about the documentation bug04:41
Riddellit'll be a dep wait04:41
mhbnixternal: just to let you know04:41
Riddellit's seb's archive day tomorrow so I'll poke him then04:41
LureRiddell: not sure if seb128 does source NEW too04:42
Riddelldon't see why not04:42
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Riddellallee: why is the epoc required on digikam?04:46
manchickenBug 74877 looks like it may have a solution? :))04:52
UbugtuMalone bug 74877 in linux-source-2.6.20 "regression: suspend does not work on hp nw8240 with feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7487704:52
Luremanchicken: I certanly hope so ;-)04:56
manchickenMe too.04:59
manchickenIt greatly affects me.04:59
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Riddellmhb: are you able to find testers for bug 74408 ?05:05
UbugtuMalone bug 74408 in xdg-utils "[SRU] : xdg-utils for edgy-updates: 1.0 has syntax errors with dash" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7440805:05
Riddellit's trivial to test05:05
mhbRiddell: I'll try05:07
Riddellnixternal: do you still have the debdiff for 73384?05:08
mhbRiddell: hmm, do you know who decided that it wouldn't be fixed and why?05:09
Riddellmhb: I don't think anyone did05:09
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Riddellhello allee05:10
Riddellhello Alpha_Cluster05:10
Alpha_Clusterhello05:10
mhbRiddell: according to nixternal and the bug somebody did05:10
mhbRiddell: I mean for Edgy05:10
mhbI'm quite enraged about that as it was me who translated that documentation to Czech for Edgy and now it's worthless05:11
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kdefreakAny PyQt geniuses around willing to help me with http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~afedosov/qttut/ ? I've added the slot, but, when I go to add the connection, I donn't see that AddEntry() slot..05:13
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mhbhi Kuhrscher, any incorrect translation bugs lately? :o)05:13
Kuhrschermhb: In Feisty? Who knows ;-)05:14
mhbKuhrscher: I should, well I will once the translations will be fully opened05:14
KuhrscherOk, I will also try to check as far as possible...05:15
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KuhrscherThe import to Feisty isn't finished, right?05:15
mhbRiddell: can that 73384 be fixed in the end? I've even emailed Jono about that, as I feel we should respect the work of the translators and not throw their work away ...05:16
mhbKuhrscher: what do you mean by import?05:16
Kuhrschermhb: Perhaps it would be reasonable to have a wiki page to collect all i18n issues?05:16
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Riddellmhb: it may well be worth a shot now that SRU are moving again05:17
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mhbKuhrscher: of course, why not05:20
alleeRiddell: digikam: first epoch was introduced due to a x.y-rc upload instead x.y~rc.  the second epoch due to 0.9 final denied, so we had to revert to 0.8.2.  Only way:  2:0.8.2  is bigger than 1:0.9.x05:20
mhbKuhrscher: actually as translation bugs affect me as well I'll be happy to work on them05:20
mhb(although the last few ones were fixed by Tonio, shame on me and hooray for him)05:21
Riddellallee: ok, thanks05:21
Kuhrschermhb: Most important to see them fixed ;-)05:21
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mhbKuhrscher: true, and that's what I'd like05:25
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LureI have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps05:38
LureDoes anybody know k3b 1.0 status (rc6 works nice here)?05:38
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emikesGrr...06:03
alleeLure: you didn't add you feisty debs.  Until 0.9.1 is really is ubuntu archive the link would be useful too?06:05
Lureallee: you are right, will add back06:07
RiddellLure: trueg is ill, so I guess it's unlikely to happen06:07
alleeLure: btw. there's digikamimageplugins-doc 0.9.0 in experimental now.  I've never tried it.  0.9.2 docs are scheduled in 2 week.  Maybe it's better to get at least 0.9 for d-iamgeplugins in?06:07
LureRiddell: :-( and it is supposed to just get minor update06:08
Lureallee: I would wait for final - I am sure we should not have problems to include for -doc. Riddell?06:08
RiddellLure: shouldn't think so, is that released separately from digikamimageplugins?06:10
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alleeRiddell: yes, -doc are seperate tarballs06:10
LureRiddell: and they are delayed for 2 weeks to pick up translations06:10
LureRiddell: handbook got quite some update06:10
Riddellok06:11
alleeLure: ah, reminds, when digikam/showfoto get's in we should have an eye on the translations.  FWIW showfoto has no translation at all currently.06:11
Riddellallee: do you know what has happened to ksniffer 2.0?06:12
Lureallee: I run english, so I do not notice such regressions ;-)06:14
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alleeLure: me too ;)06:15
alleeand as I usually use selfmade deb, there translations are there, independently if the translation-magic of the ubuntu builds fails06:17
alleeRiddell: ksniffer?  No.   Even never tried or used it AFAIR06:18
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larsiviI dist-upgraded to Feisty today, worked great!07:18
larsiviThe new updates that just trickled in don't want to install though - wrong nice value according to debconf07:18
Riddelllarsivi: manchicken was repoting that bug too07:19
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larsiviRiddell: ah, ok07:22
larsivioh, if I restart, the number of desktops goes back to 2 (after I set it to 4)07:23
Riddelllarsivi: that's after upgrading some packages?  or always?07:25
larsiviRiddell: hmm, only done it twice yet I think, but it happened both times07:25
RiddellI think tonio changed that, but I'm not sure where he did it07:27
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manchickenMan, moving sucks.07:48
RiddellLure: do you know where the upstream version freeze exception process is documented?07:51
\shRiddell: for universe?07:58
Riddellfound it07:59
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess07:59
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nixternalRiddell: yes I still have that debdiff for Kubuntu docs and translations for bug 7338408:01
UbugtuMalone bug 73384 in kubuntu-docs "Localized Kubuntu documents missing" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7338408:01
nixternal20MB to be exact, so I won't be able to upload it until I get home08:02
nixternalschool wifi is < garbage08:02
Riddellnixternal: upload it somewhere and I'll take a look08:03
nixternalwhen I get home I will do it (@23:00 UTC)08:04
nixternalmhb: I reopened the bug "in progress"08:04
nixternalRiddell: ooh, if my upload speed stays how it is right now, I should have it up in less than 10 minutes08:06
larsiviRiddell: I see that my statement above may have been amigious - I have not upgraded anything after the dist-upgrade, but rebooted twice, and both times I lost number-of-desktops setup08:07
Riddelllarsivi: what do you have in ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc  for Number= ?08:09
larsiviRiddell: it says 4 now - suppose I won't restart until tomorrow when I go to the office - will notify if it resets again08:11
nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-edgy08:14
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nixternalback to school :) later08:42
NeoChaosXwhy is Krita no longer included by default in Feisty?08:43
Riddellno space on the disk08:44
NeoChaosXah08:44
NeoChaosXanother question: why exactly did Krita lose gif support?08:46
Riddellit switched to graphicsmagick, which isn't in main08:47
NeoChaosXoh, i see. so i'd have to install that so it can open gifs then?08:47
NeoChaosXor would i have to compile Krita from source instead?08:48
Riddellit needs compiled08:50
RiddellI'm not too sure what to do about the situation08:50
NeoChaosXgraphicsmagick is too questionable to apply for promotion to main, I'm guessing08:51
Riddellno, but imagemagick is already in main so it's a duplication of code08:52
NeoChaosXah, i see08:53
NeoChaosXthanks for answering. was a bit confused by all that08:56
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Cyxhola09:00
Riddellhi Cyx09:01
Cyxhi09:01
Cyxeveryone speaks in english???09:01
Cyxi'm from argentina09:02
Cyxand i need help09:02
Riddellmay be some people in #kubuntu-es09:02
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mhbRiddell: thanks for taking a look at that documentation issue09:09
mhbRiddell: I really appreciate it (as I did many times before :o)09:09
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_StefanS_evening09:14
_StefanS_hey Jucato Riddell manchicken09:14
_StefanS_manchicken: have you got that model number for me on the dvb-t tuner ?09:15
_StefanS_manchicken: if you still want it to work that is :D09:15
mhb_StefanS_: hey, you omitted me! :o)09:15
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_StefanS_mhb: ouch sorry09:16
_StefanS_hey mhb09:16
_StefanS_thats always the risk by saying specific hello's09:16
_StefanS_:D09:16
_StefanS_what happened to Tonio_ btw, did he get a job or something.. he's not been on so much lately09:17
_StefanS_saw him today, but thats the first time in looong time09:17
manchicken_StefanS_: Shitze... I packed it.09:18
manchickenSorry man.09:18
manchickenI'll bug you about it later in the week.09:18
manchickenCheck this out: http://irc.perl.org/09:18
manchickenVery neat.09:18
_StefanS_manchicken: oh yes you were moving09:18
mhb_StefanS_: I think he's on vacation09:18
_StefanS_mhb: ow..09:18
manchickenI'm moving tomorrow.09:19
_StefanS_manchicken: the link doesn't ... same as drugs.09:19
_StefanS_doesn't work i mean ;)09:19
manchickenIt's a binary clock.09:19
manchickenYou gotta have JS turned on though.09:19
_StefanS_manchicken: if it only worked.. i get a forbidden and js i on09:19
_StefanS_i/is09:19
manchickenWeird.09:20
_StefanS_heh now the page cannot be found09:20
manchickenIt's rocking.09:20
_StefanS_someone is messing about09:20
manchickenI need to get a binary clock.09:20
_StefanS_manchicken: there's one over at ... err what is the name of that shop - its linked from slashdot very often09:21
manchickenThey have a neat device I saw on technabob earlier that I want to nab, but it's windows only :'(09:21
_StefanS_thinkgeek09:21
manchickenAnd I don't feel like hacking firmware for it.09:21
_StefanS_manchicken: well you mean like a hardware binary clock,  right ?09:22
_StefanS_manchicken: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/59e0/09:23
manchickenYeah.  One you could sit on the desktop.09:23
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_StefanS_wow this one is funny ... "Use Windows Authentication" .. It sort of makes you laugh09:28
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_StefanS_what security hehe09:28
_StefanS_mhb: hey are you satisfied with the logout thing ?09:31
Lurehi kwwii09:32
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_StefanS_hey Lure09:32
Lurehi _StefanS_09:33
mhb_StefanS_: heh09:33
mhb_StefanS_: it used to work once I pressed the shutdown button09:33
kwwiihowdy Lure, _StefanS_, mhb09:33
mhb_StefanS_: but it doesn't anymore09:33
_StefanS_kwwii: hey !09:33
_StefanS_kwwii: show me the graphics ! :D09:33
kwwii:-)09:33
_StefanS_mhb: oh gawd.. can you explain a bit further ?09:33
ryanakcaallee: I'm talking to Paleo about Kolab... says he's going to set it up within the next couple of weeks... wether we can use it or no is another matter 09:34
_StefanS_koalapaint was cool..09:34
alleeryanakca: who's Paleo?09:34
mhbryanakca: what Kolab server?09:36
mhbryanakca: who is "we" ? :o)09:36
ryanakcaallee: Olivier Bdard... the guy who has free hosting for KDE related projects... he's hosting amarok, konversation, and a couple other projects09:36
mhb_StefanS_: when you pushed the shutdown button, the dialog appeared09:36
mhbbut somehow it doesn't anymore09:36
ryanakcamhb: kubuntu-devel09:36
mhbfor me .o)09:36
ryanakcamhb: Kolab server for kubuntu-devel?09:36
mhbryanakca: hmm, could be useful09:37
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ryanakcaallee: http://dot.kde.org/1115209184/09:37
ryanakcaallee: He left me a reply around 14:30UTC.... I replied to it just now...09:38
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ryanakcaRiddell: How do I test install-mp3, if I already have mp3 support installed?09:51
Riddellryanakca: uninstall it :)09:55
ryanakcashucks09:55
ryanakcalol 09:55
mhbryanakca: did you fix kmilo in any way?09:57
mhbryanakca: I remember you saying something bout that09:58
ryanakcamhb: Yes, well, no. I worked around it. It works if I have PCM as my default channel for kmixer, but doesn't if headphones are the default chan.09:58
ryanakcaor nevermind, yes, I guess it's fixed 09:59
ryanakcaRiddell: fixed :D10:01
ryanakcadbuild and dput to revu? or shall I stick the sources on my repos?10:02
ryanakcadoes it fix a bug # (for changelog)?10:03
_StefanS_mhb: oh.. damn10:06
_StefanS_mhb: I will look into it..10:06
mhb_StefanS_: does it happen for you too?10:06
mhb_StefanS_: could be my fault even though I didn't do anything special10:07
_StefanS_mhb: you mean the reboot thing for the grub entries, right ?10:07
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mhb_StefanS_: no, I mean the dialog itself10:07
mhbwhen I press the shutdown button, it should pop up, right?10:08
_StefanS_mhb: oh.. you mean the physical power off ?10:08
_StefanS_mhb: power button10:08
mhbyes10:08
mhbwhen I press the button on the computer10:08
mhbthe dialog used to appear at one time10:09
_StefanS_mhb: that should be the same... however mine does not work anymore either when you mention it10:09
_StefanS_mhb: hmm there might have been some changes to that acpi stuff10:09
_StefanS_mhb: I mean, I have the same thing happening for me, now that you mention it. my sentences are stupid today10:10
mhb_StefanS_: mine too :o)10:11
mhb_StefanS_: I get it10:11
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_StefanS_mhb: ask Riddell, its his fault hehe10:11
_StefanS_mhb: naw, I dont know what happened to acpi..10:13
_StefanS_mhb: I found a funny thing though... diff /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.dpkg-old10:14
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_StefanS_mhb: stuff appears to have changed in there10:14
mhbhey Hobbsee10:15
_StefanS_Hobbseehh10:15
Hobbseeheya mhb!10:16
Lure_StefanS_: you use kpowersave?10:16
Hobbseeheya _StefanS_10:16
ryanakcaRiddell: updated the maintainer field. "Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>"10:16
ryanakcaUnless Kubuntu Core Developers has a different email...10:16
_StefanS_Lure: nawp.. somehow a hamster got into the upgrade at some point and killed my fully working kde-guidance10:16
_StefanS_Lure: kpowersave  looks extremely nice though..10:17
Lure_StefanS_: pidof dcopserver | wc -w10:17
Lure_StefanS_: do you get 2?10:17
_StefanS_Lure: yaps10:17
Lure_StefanS_: that is for sure one of the issues10:18
Lure_StefanS_: not sure what starts second dcopserver (as root)10:18
LureRiddell: ^^^ any idea?10:18
Luredcopserver [kdeinit]  --nosid --suicide10:18
_StefanS_yep10:18
Lurethis --suicide option is interesting10:18
Lure_StefanS_: thins confuses powerbtn script I did change a month ago...10:19
_StefanS_Lure: mkay, can it be changed to just use the current user and kill that dcop thing ?10:19
Lure_StefanS_: I am thinking if kdesu might start this...10:19
_StefanS_Lure: oh! kdesu on the kde-system-settings does not work anymore either10:19
Lure_StefanS_: powerbtn.sh is executed as root, so no current user10:19
_StefanS_Lure: did you experience this ?10:19
Lure_StefanS_: no...10:20
_StefanS_err it does now.. well it must be fixed :D10:20
Lure_StefanS_: works here10:20
_StefanS_last night I couldn't get it workin'10:20
_StefanS_kwwii: is my eyes deceiving me, or did you make the usplash available ? :D10:23
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_StefanS_Lure: I can't really find any tracks of that extra dcopserver, sorry10:24
Lure_StefanS_: you have only one?10:24
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_StefanS_Lure: no I have two, but I was trying to find out what launched them10:24
_StefanS_Lure:  to help you :)10:24
kwwii_StefanS_: it should be available10:25
_StefanS_kwwii: i was just yanking you chain..10:25
_StefanS_you/your10:25
kwwii:p10:25
_Sime_anyone here having troubles with adept? namely a window appearing during updates ("Debconf"), saying "Incorrect nice value" etc?10:25
neutralossuse sudo apt-get10:25
_StefanS__Sime_: yea, try the lastest updates first10:26
neutralossafter that adept should work.10:26
mhbhi _Sime_10:26
mhbwho of you two maitains mountconfig?10:26
_StefanS_kwwii: btw, have you heard any reports that he usplash doesn't really show until like the last 15-20% of the procedure ? (i'm using flgrx - from the repos)10:26
_Sime_me10:26
kwwii_StefanS_: nope, haven't heard that yet10:27
mhb_Sime_: I noticed that with the last guidance mounting of SMB network shares was not functional10:27
kwwiibut if people experience that we should look into it10:27
_Sime__StefanS_:  I'll try that.10:27
_Sime_mhb: on feisty?10:27
mhb_Sime_: yes10:27
mhb_Sime_: edgy worked fine10:27
_StefanS_kwwii: I will do some testing, I remember that when you shutdown directly from kdm it seemed to work, but not when shutting down from within kde.10:28
_Sime_mhb: ok. I've got feisty on my laptop now. I'll test that stuff out.10:28
_StefanS_kwwii: might have something to do with swapping screens/or resolutions10:29
kwwii_StefanS_: perhaps, but that should not be the result of the new pics I put in :-)10:30
_StefanS_kwwii: nope definitely not ;) - it just came to mind when talking about usplash10:30
neutraloss_StefanS_: are you using server-xgl with fglrx ?10:30
kwwii;-)10:30
_StefanS_neutraloss: nope, regular xorg10:31
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Alpha_ClusterI am using redeon driver and i only get a small usplash when i shutdown. I dont know if that is same as your problem.10:31
_StefanS_neutraloss: composite disabled, due to ati's negligence10:31
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: exactly.. you get like the last two bits of the progress indicator, or something ?10:32
Alpha_Clusteryep10:32
_StefanS_good thing. it must be a general thing10:32
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: can you try to logout of kde, and then shutdown from kdm and see it it works there ?10:32
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_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: I think I had it working like that10:33
Alpha_Clusterok let me try10:33
_StefanS_sure hope that ibm will start using nvidia gpu's somewhere in the future, because i'm just dead tired of ATI allround..10:33
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Alpha_Clusterok  it works if i logout first10:38
neutralossdid ff5 just hit the repos?10:41
Lureneutraloss: ff5?10:42
neutralossfeisty fawn10:42
neutralosssorry10:42
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Alpha_Clusterherd 5 has been out10:42
neutralossI'm getting a huge update, wasn't there this morning.10:42
Hobbseeneutraloss: herd 5 is a freeze.  more stuff gets uploaded after it's release10:43
neutralossahh ok10:43
neutralossis the first big update since the freeze?10:43
Alpha_Clusterupdates are alwyas happening10:43
tomamaybe a lagging mirror10:43
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_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: good :) - lets hope someone can figure that one out10:45
_StefanS_kwwii: did you see Alpha_Cluster's reply on the usplash thingy ?10:45
kwwiisomeone should report a bug10:46
Alpha_ClusterI also realized my kdm has off screen stuff10:46
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: can you create a bug report on the usplash thing ?10:47
Alpha_Clusterjust goin to check if there is one or not10:47
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: off screen stuff ?10:47
Alpha_Clusteryeah i think i maybe just didnt configure right my xorg since im running hte open source driver10:47
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_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: well it uses the same one AFAIK10:48
_StefanS_anyone know a good linux tablet ?10:48
yuriy_StefanS_: think there's a thread or two asking just that on the forums10:49
Alpha_Cluster?10:50
_StefanS_yuriy: you would have a link ?10:50
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: weren't you concerned that kdm uses a different conf file for xorg ?10:50
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: else I must have understood you wrong :)10:50
Alpha_Cluster_StefanS_: no I mean that I must not have gotten all the options on that i need for the radeon driver.  There really should be a wiki on configuring it10:51
_StefanS_Alpha_Cluster: and you think that is related to the problem with the splash being displayed on at the very last point ?10:52
_StefanS_is/it's10:52
Alpha_ClusterI think its unrelated10:52
_StefanS_me too, as I i'm using the closed source fglrx and have the same problem ;)10:53
_StefanS_I think it might a framebuffer issue or something10:53
mhb_StefanS_: very last point?10:53
mhbwhat's that issue about?10:53
Alpha_Cluster_StefanS_: yeah i just wrote a bug report10:54
yuriy_StefanS_ can't seem to find the thread i was thinking of, but here's one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290261&highlight=anyone+know+linux+tablet10:54
_StefanS_mhb: its about the splash screen only appearing briefly during shutdown..10:54
Alpha_Cluster _StefanS_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/90242  feell free to comment on it you have the same problem10:55
UbugtuMalone bug 90242 in Ubuntu "No Usplash when shutdown from desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 10:55
_StefanS_mhb: read the bug report :)10:55
_StefanS_mhb: it works if you shutdown from kdm directly though :)10:55
_StefanS_wierd10:56
yuriyrelated to usplash only for first half of startup?10:56
Alpha_Clusteroh i should add that10:56
mhbI'd love to see a fluent switch from/to usplash10:56
Alpha_Clusterso would I10:56
_StefanS_mhb: yes that would be nice too.. and kde not flickering like hell when logging out10:56
Alpha_Clusteri keep trying to close my laptop only to realize its not shutdown yet10:56
mhbdoes it display a small icon on the top for you?10:57
mhbtop left10:57
_StefanS_mhb: me ?10:57
mhbKDE does display a small icon on the top left when logging out10:57
mhbseems like the remains of the tray or something10:57
_StefanS_mhb: it did at some point regularly10:57
_StefanS_mhb: it was adept I think10:57
_StefanS_mhb: that stopped however, but I think it was due to some kill/timing issues10:58
Alpha_Clustermhb: that would happen just noramlly for me in edgy havent seen it in fiesty though10:58
_StefanS_mhb: kde should really just fade out (os x like) and dont show all the crap flickering10:58
ryanakcaRiddell: where would you like the package?11:00
_StefanS_mhb: would be easy to create some sort of overlay for the screen, fade it and then just wait for kde to exit completely, the problem however could be some dialog were missed if the screen is black11:01
_StefanS_mhb: donno, just an idea really11:01
Alpha_Cluster_StefanS_: check if there has been a suggestion like that on launchpad.11:02
_StefanS_yuriy: thanks for looking up that thread :)11:02
yuriy+1 for some sanity on logout11:03
yuriythough i don't think i get the little icon in the corner anymore either11:03
mhbmaybe not even me - it flickers so much I can't notice :o)11:03
_StefanS_yuriy: has that been decided at some meeting ? (I didn't know)11:04
yuriy_StefanS_: no, i'm just saying making it not flicker crazily would be nice11:04
_StefanS_yuriy: ow :) - i thought you meant feisty+1 :D11:05
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mhb_StefanS_: are you aware of the kde4 development?11:08
_StefanS_mhb: what part of it =?11:08
xerosiskwwii: new splash is awesome :)11:08
mhb_StefanS_: well the shutdown process improvements, of course :o) I am not11:08
mhbkwwii: I knew people would like it :o)11:08
kwwiixerosis: glad to hear that someone saw it ;-)11:09
_StefanS_ooh i gotta reboot !11:09
Alpha_Clusterkwwii: is htta what the usplash update was for ;)11:09
_StefanS_need to see those gfx11:09
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yuriyooh i gotta boot !11:09
xerosiseven if it's only shutdown...11:09
yuriywait i missed it...11:11
xerosisyuriy: gotta be quick ;)11:12
yuriyxerosis: bootup takes long enough. problem is usplash only works half way through :-\11:12
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xerosisyuriy: i meant it only shows on shutdown for me11:14
xerosisfor about 3 seconds!11:14
yuriy22k/s updates... i think something must be wrong with my router, i get more like 400k/s when i'm on wireless11:15
yuriyof course could be just the time of day11:15
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_StefanS_kwwii: kudos on the logo :) - nice solid, and easy to read while maintaining the seriousness :)11:16
Alpha_Clusteryuriy: updates are always that slow for me and im on a college campus11:17
kwwii_StefanS_: thanks :-)11:17
_StefanS_kwwii: do you any plans for replacing the rest inside kdm, kde ?11:17
yuriyAlpha_Cluster: so am i, but they seem to be slower when i'm on wired even though it's the same internet access11:17
kwwii_StefanS_: yes, that is what I am going to start doing now11:18
_StefanS_kwwii: sweet :)11:18
Alpha_Clusteryuriy: I know how that feels. Though i dont think its true.11:18
xerosisif kdm is anything like gdm, i can't wait :)11:20
Alpha_Clusterhow is gdm > kdm?11:21
xerosisAlpha_Cluster: the new feisty theme i meant11:21
Alpha_Clusterohh yay finally :)11:22
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yuriywow i forgot i still had dapper installed11:23
Lathiat\sh_away: avahi-autoipd is used to grab link local IPs on an interface11:25
Lathiat\sh_away: when no other IP can be configured11:25
mhbkwwii: aww man11:25
Lathiat\sh_away: this is separate from avahi-daemon11:25
mhbkwwii: I just restarted11:25
Lathiat\sh_away: its a plugin to dhclient11:25
mhbkwwii: why is the progress bar so tiny?11:25
kwwiimhb: and?11:25
kwwiilol11:25
mhbkwwii: I thought you agreed with me11:25
kwwiiwhich resolution do you run?11:26
mhbkwwii: that the size of the new Ubuntu one is a lot better11:26
mhbkwwii: 1024x76811:26
mhbkwwii: this one is like 5 times smaller11:26
kwwiimhb: it is exactly the same size as the ubuntu version11:26
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mhbkwwii: maybe you changed the size of the Ubuntu one recently just to make me angry :o)11:27
mhbkwwii: wait, I'll get my camera11:27
kwwiimhb: no, you are right11:28
kwwiiI just noticed it11:28
kwwiiwe need to change that11:28
mhbkwwii: oh good11:29
kwwiiI will fix that soon11:29
mhbthanks :o)11:29
kwwiineed to edit the .c file as well11:29
kwwiithanks for noticing that11:29
mhbkwwii: otherwise the logo is pretty nice11:30
mhbI like it11:30
kwwiicool11:31
mhbindeed .o)11:34
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kwwiilol, I forgot to add the new ones11:36
kwwii*that* is the problem :p11:37
yuriyprogress bar looks same as before to me11:37
kwwiiyuriy: yeah, exactly11:37
yuriystill like the previous logo better, but I think I feel like that every time artwork changes and then it grows on me11:37
kwwiiI made nice big shiny new ones already :-)11:38
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yuriyoh : )11:38
yuriyuhoh11:40
yuriynvm.. fluke i think11:40
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_StefanS_going to sleep.. night11:44
Alpha_Clusterhey can anyone check something for me?11:51
Luremake11:52
Lureups, wrong window ;-)11:52
Alpha_Clusternvm (realized i have a computer next to me)11:52
kwwiiRiddell: ping?11:55
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kwwiiRiddell: i noticed that I missed the progress bars (and the .c config file) for the usplash11:56
kwwiiRiddell: so how do you want me to do this? just add the pics, do a dch -i and then commit?11:57
kwwiiie. no pushing this time11:57
kwwiias soon as I know, I'll upload the changes12:00
manchickenSo what is ubuntu hug day?12:09
jdong_manchicken: it's when you give intimate hugs to all the same gender devs you meet.12:13
jdong_or "meat" if you want an innuendo too12:13

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