[12:17] <ypsila> left side is ubuntu/edubuntu right side is kubuntu
[12:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: only by not having an internet connection
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Ah so if I yank the cord I get the option?
[12:18] <ypsila> compare that to opensuse / debianforum / gentoo who where right opposite to us
[12:18] <kwwii> hehe! the display system made it!
[12:18] <kwwii> that is amazing to see
[12:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you have to yank it before
[12:19] <kwwii> since I made it for linuxtag last year...good to see that it is still being used
[12:19] <ypsila> kwwii: :-D
[12:19] <Riddell> ypsila: how did the stands compare?
[12:20] <ypsila> mom
[12:21] <kwwii> Riddell: btw...I updated the script that renders oxygen...in svn there is a new file, you might want to check and see if I did the index.theme right
[12:21] <allee> ypsila: navigation between the photo is a pain.   Otherwise cool pics
[12:22] <kwwii> allee: I thought the same thing
[12:22] <kwwii> the pics are good, but moving between them is a hassle
[12:22] <ypsila> allee: I know, we made the fotos available, when still beeing in Chemnitz, its not sorted and nothing
[12:23] <kwwii> Riddell: how long will it take until packages are out for the new usplash?
[12:23] <ypsila> but ppl "at home" where nosy
[12:23] <allee> ypsila: I mean when I look at the big pictures,  there are no next/prev buttons
[12:24] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntu-artwork-usplash 1:7.04-25 is in the archives now
[12:24] <ypsila> allee: I know what you mean. But I'm still ill, and had no time since yesterday night, when we came back to take care about that
[12:24] <kwwii> Riddell: great, thanks :-)
[12:24] <kwwii> so everyone needs to flip out and give their response
[12:24] <allee> ypsila: gute besserung
[12:24] <ypsila> allee: oho dankeschn
[12:26] <Riddell> hmm, installing the new usplash package didn't change the artwork
[12:27] <Zerlinna> Riddell for the CDs for cebit: torsten rahn from kde requested 999 via shipit some days ago.. is there any way to support his request from our side?
[12:27] <Lure> allee: imageplugins for fesity is on tonio's ftp
[12:28] <allee> Lure: thx downloading ...
[12:29] <Riddell> Zerlinna: not really, he has already e-mailed the shipit master
[12:30] <Zerlinna> Riddell some of us will be at the kde booth to push kde on kubuntu, so a lot of kubuntu cds would be nice
[12:38] <allee> Lure: there are in.  Thx again.
[12:38] <Lure> allee: thank you!
[12:48] <ypsila> good night
[12:50] <ypsila> kwwii: about Berlin, when will you be there?
[12:52] <Riddell> ypsila: do you know where the kubuntu poster is now?
[12:52] <kwwii> ypsila: I hope so, but am not 100% certain yet
[12:53] <ypsila> Riddell: yes, I do :-)
[12:53] <Riddell> ypsila: where would that be?
[12:54] <ypsila> Riddelll: commander took all the booth stuff to dresden, because we thought that berlin would be the next fair
[12:54] <Riddell> groovy
[12:54] <ypsila> why?
[12:55] <Riddell> just to know it hasn't been lost and it'll appear at the next linuxtag
[12:55] <ypsila> no!
[12:55] <Riddell> ?
[12:56] <ypsila> we gave it to him, because juliux from ubuntu lives at dresden too, so transportation to any other place should be possible
[12:56] <Riddell> so... still groovy?
[12:57] <ypsila> Riddell: I'm not to familiar with that kind of expressions, sorry for that
[12:57] <apokryphos> ypsila: a very important word ;)
[12:57] <ypsila> but it the poster is in good hands
[12:57] <ypsila> apokryphos: then please explain it to me ;-)
[12:58] <apokryphos> ypsila: a more original way of saying "cool" ;-)
[12:58] <ypsila> i got it, ding knew it
[12:58] <ypsila> kicher
[12:59] <kwwii> night all
[12:59] <Jucato> bye kwwii! :)
[12:59] <ypsila> Riddell: we take care of that stuff, dont worry
[12:59] <kwwii> see you all soon, I hope :-)
[12:59] <ypsila> good night kwwii don't eat to much weisswurscht
[01:06] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:06] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[01:06] <Jucato> wb apokryphos
[01:06] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[01:08] <apokryphos> thanks 8)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato, ryanakca!
[01:10] <ryanakca> make it easier to set up meeting times as well
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: could be fun
[01:12] <crimsun> Then ask for a buntudot acct.
[01:13] <ryanakca> ?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ask imbrandon for a buntudot account
[01:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: may I please have a buntudot account?
[01:15] <ryanakca> hmm... he's not there...
[01:15] <ryanakca> What's a buntudot account?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: webspace.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> a shell, etc
[01:16] <ryanakca> ah
[01:16] <ryanakca> yes, that's what it's called
[01:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: would we be able to install one of those on it?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> dunno
[01:18] <ryanakca> Ah
[01:18] <ryanakca> see yah
[01:19] <apokryphos> oh no!
[01:19] <Jucato> haha! :P
[01:19] <apokryphos> =)
[01:19] <Jucato> emphasis on the *probably*
[01:19] <ryanakca> lol
[01:19] <apokryphos> add it, definitely
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: I'll add mine once I write something in it
[01:20] <crimsun> I'd totally add my blog.
[01:20] <ryanakca> my last blog went 3 months without a post...
[01:20] <ajmitch> crimsun: isn't it good not blogging?
[01:20] <crimsun> ajmitch: quite.
[01:20] <ryanakca> Jucato: lol
[01:20] <crimsun> "fixed more patch_realtek.c bugs" is realllly exciting.
[01:20] <Jucato> then again, only Blogger seems to do that :D
[01:21] <ryanakca> Jucato: where you hosting it?
[01:21] <Jucato> DH
[01:21] <Jucato> not hosted by me, but sharing w/ a friend :)
[01:21] <ryanakca> ah
[03:45] <nixternal> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2007-02-21.html
[03:45] <nixternal> doh
[03:45] <nixternal> sorry
[04:21] <nixternal> argh, System Settings -> User Management is broken - the module could not be loaded deal
[04:23] <nixternal> disk and filesystems as well
[04:23] <jjesse> i had to reinstalled kubuntu-desktop today :(
[04:24] <jjesse> after an update
[04:24] <nixternal> ouch
[04:25] <Jucato> sounds like a kde-guidance problem...
[04:28] <nixternal> ya, not as bad as the kde-guidance issues in Edgy though
[04:28] <nixternal> only 2 sections so far aren't working
[04:30] <jjesse> after my update this evening, i didn't have any icons for adept :(
[04:30] <jjesse> or the program installed
[04:30] <jjesse> needed to do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:31] <Jucato> isn't it recommended to have kubuntu-desktop installed when doing upgrades to a new release?
[04:37] <nixternal> yay, my machine just locked up
[04:37] <jjesse> Jucato: this was a default feisty vm
[04:37] <jjesse> i don't know what happened to my vm that i didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed
[04:37] <crimsun> nixternal: toldya not to run kubuntu as a guest OS inside an XP host.
[04:37] <nixternal> hahah shuhs
[04:37] <Jucato> oh....
[04:37] <nixternal> shush
[04:38] <nixternal> jjesse: my new project is KOrganizer. Did you see the email come across the KDE mailing list tonight?
[04:38] <jjesse> nixternal: yeah i did
[04:38] <jjesse> nixternal: after i finish my screenshots and get the book released i'll need your script for working on kde docs
[04:39] <nixternal> roger
[04:40] <nixternal> I am going to start working hard on KDE4 and KOffice 2 stuff after the 8th
[04:41] <yuriy_> hi ash211_
[04:41] <ash211_> hey
[04:42] <Jucato> good luck nixternal! :)
[04:42] <nixternal> heh, no doubt
[04:42] <nixternal> I need to get KDE4 back up and running
[04:42] <nixternal> the last build I did from SVN was bad
[04:43] <nixternal> and building from SVN is an all day affair
[04:43] <yuriy_> ash211_: how are amarok bugs going?
[04:43] <yuriy_> i'm trying to organize a kubuntu desktop bug week and trying to choose packages now
[04:43] <ash211> i think i'm seeing a lot from the new apport system
[04:43] <jjesse> is kria no longer installed by default in feisty?
[04:43] <ash211> I'm not sure how to approach them
[04:43] <jjesse> !info krita feisty
[04:43] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3043 kB, installed size 9412 kB
[04:43] <jjesse> dang
[04:43] <Jucato> O.o
[04:44] <yuriy_> ash211: yeah i'm stumped by those too. on one hand they already have all the information needed, on the other hand there are bound to be duplicates
[04:45] <ash211> i'd love it if we could have a classroom session on how to handle those from a bug triager's standpoint
[04:45] <ash211> has such a thing been done before?
[04:45] <yuriy_> ash211: but would it be productive to get a day on amarok or on  amarok+kaffeine, or are amarok bugs under control?
[04:46] <ash211> i can't think of anything really outstanding at the moment, so I'd guess I'd say they're mostly under control for amarok
[04:46] <yuriy_> k thanks
[04:46] <crimsun> ash211: not yet, but you could check w/ admiral_chicago and gnomefreak, and possibly coordinate w/ pitti, for such a session
[04:46] <ash211> for times/dates of a session?
[04:46] <crimsun> ash211: (the former two are on the mozillateam, and we see a ton of new apport stuff daily)
[04:47] <crimsun> ash211: for "how to manage those from a bug triager's standpoint" and for logistics coordination
[04:48] <ash211> so those 3 would have good info to make such a session happen?
[04:48] <crimsun> the former two have, as part of the mozillateam, begun writing documentation for "how to manage"
[04:48] <crimsun> pitti is of course the main developer behind apport
[04:49] <crimsun> so yes, getting all of them in a room is a good stat
[04:49] <crimsun> start ^
[04:49] <ash211> sounds great.  I'd bet using bughelper could speed things up tremendously too
[04:50] <crimsun> .oO( walking through it would make a good screencast contrib, too )
[04:52] <ash211> what exactlyl does retracing an apport crash do?
[04:55] <yuriy> ash211: i see what you mean by most of the amarok stuff being apport
[04:55] <ash211> yep, most of the recent bugs are from apport in amarok
[04:57] <ash211> hey imbrandon
[05:09] <yuriy> *screech*
[05:13] <DaSkreech> hi crimsun
[05:14] <DaSkreech> yuriy: tell me about it. Apparently they have this thing called "RL" that needs windows :(
[05:15] <yuriy> real life needs windows?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> I keep telling them I have no need of SUN I don't care if it's free!
[05:16] <DaSkreech> But they keep pushing me towards the Gates :(
[05:16] <yuriy> i hope we are talking about glass, helium, and a fence
[05:16] <yuriy> *hydrogen?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Fuzion!
[05:20] <DaSkreech> yuriy: sadly your rosegarden koloured spektakles are incorrekt
[05:21] <yuriy> Sun works better for me on kubuntu than it does on windows. java makes my screen go crazy and freezes my system in xp.
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Well I don't really care about all of that. I just need windows Xp
[05:23] <DaSkreech> I mean Windows Media Player
[05:26] <yuriy> *random guess* watching 24?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> *random answer* No
[05:27] <yuriy> fox doesn't support linux so i have to BT episodes :(
[05:27] <yuriy> even though they're up for free legally on their site
[05:28] <yuriy> ok i got a schedule up. don't have any multimedia in there though
[05:29] <DaSkreech> No My mom paid for a course and the Course comes on Cds with WMv and an HDcryptology manager that requires it to be played through Official WMP
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Man this sucks
[05:32] <DaSkreech> I should start selling Linux for backwards compatibilty
[05:41] <imbrandon> heya ash211
[05:44] <Jucato> ooh hi imbrandon!!!
[05:45] <Jucato> :)
[06:04] <nixternal> is SuperKaramba installed by default with Kubuntu?
[06:05] <nixternal> nope, apt-cache is my hero :)
[06:05] <Jucato> nope
[06:05] <Jucato> bah...
[06:07] <ash211> hey again imbrandon
[06:08] <ash211> yuriy and I were just talking about the state of bugs in amarok
[06:10] <ash211> do you think we need to spend a day on amarok in an upcoming kubuntu-desktop bugs day?
[06:10] <ash211> *kubuntu-desktop bugs week
[06:12] <imbrandon> ash211, sure
[06:12] <ash211> we've been getting a lot of bugs from apport
[06:12] <imbrandon> i'm always down ( cept not right this second ) for some bug squishing
[06:12] <ash211> how can we handle all of those?
[06:13] <crimsun> speaking of which, amarok just exploded
[06:13] <imbrandon> great
[06:13] <imbrandon> build or running?
[06:13] <crimsun> I suspect it's due to libfaad
[06:13] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:14] <crimsun> ii  amarok         1.4.5-0ubuntu5
[06:14] <imbrandon> ahh edgy
[06:14] <crimsun> +1
[06:14] <crimsun> (feisty)
[06:14] <imbrandon> hum only ubuntu5 ?
[06:14] <imbrandon> thats right 1.4.4 in edgy
[06:16] <imbrandon> i've been playing alot with amarok2 lately, i need to get back to my amarok 1.x bug fixing
[06:16] <Jucato> :)
[06:16] <crimsun> it just doesn't look right here
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !
[06:17] <DaSkreech> I haven't read commit-digest yet!
[06:17] <crimsun> kde-style-klearlook + "pumpkin"
[06:17] <imbrandon> pumkin ?
[06:17] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, for?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Pumpkin?
[06:18] <crimsun> yeah, so the blue doesn't clash so readily w/ Human
[06:18] <imbrandon> ohh your on gnome with amarok
[06:18] <imbrandon> yea probably dosent look so hot
[06:19] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Should I be fitting into any of this conversation?
[06:19] <imbrandon> i dont see how DaSkreech
[06:19] <Jucato> :D
[06:20] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: What was the question for for?
[06:20] <imbrandon> you said you hadent read the commit digest , i asked for what
 I haven't read commit-digest yet!
[06:20] <DaSkreech> for this week.
[06:20] <Jucato> kde commit digest and the amarok stuff, I presume
[06:20] <DaSkreech> It's one of those weekly thigns I rea
[06:20] <DaSkreech> d Like Foxtrot
[06:21] <imbrandon> a user with too much time on their hands ;)
[06:21] <Jucato> yes. because if he were a developer, he wouldn't have any time on any hand :D
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Hey knowing whats going on is always a good thing
[06:22] <crimsun> that's not necessarily true.
[06:22] <crimsun> some developers find plenty of time to curse.
[06:22] <crimsun> <--  e.g.,
[06:22] <Jucato> lol
[06:23] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Was that Gateway issue resolved?
[06:23] <imbrandon> i have plenty of free time too but its always at the wrong times hehe
[06:24] <imbrandon> like now when i need to be doing something i'm too tired
[06:24] <DaSkreech> http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2007/ft070304.gif
[06:25] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:27] <crimsun> DaSkreech: ...the?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Alsa issue on the gateway laptop
[06:28] <crimsun> DaSkreech: which GW model?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> 6446
[06:29] <DaSkreech> crimsun: This was in #alsa at 3:00 on Sunday morning
[06:30] <crimsun> DaSkreech: I need more info than that, like lspci -vvn
[06:30] <imbrandon> gnight all , time for a nap, ash211 poke me when you go to amarok bug find/squash trip , i'll be glad to help etc etc etc
[06:31] <ash211> i think it's being planned for later sometime, maybe this week
[06:31] <ash211> but yeah, I'll make sure you know about it :)
[06:31] <imbrandon> k
[06:32] <imbrandon> ash211, sometimes i'm hard to catch on irc lately, you can always poke me on jabber too ( brandon@ubuntuwire.com jabber account )
[06:33] <yuriy> imbrandon: in case you're not gone yet, i could add amarok on there, when's a good time? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs
[06:34] <yuriy> the idea is mostly to get more people on bug triaging/squishing, i didn't put amarok on there because ash211 said it was mostly under control
[06:35] <yuriy> btw the splash screen in awn is hilarious
[06:36] <ash211> way to go for eye candy!
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[08:01] <nixternal> Riddelll: I will have a new docs package within the next 3 to 4 days
[08:01] <nixternal> untranslated. translated docs won't be until sometime next month
[08:01] <Jucato> nixternal: you're tha man! :D
[08:01] <nixternal> the exhausted man
[08:01] <nixternal> I just finished up the drafts tonight
[08:02] <nixternal> I still have to do a page that will list the topics for each help section
[08:02] <Jucato> exhausted, but fulfilled? :D
[08:02] <nixternal> which isn't a big deal
[08:02] <Jucato> lol
[08:02] <Jucato> nice catch hehe
[08:03] <Jucato> nixternal: these will all be for feisty?
[08:03] <nixternal> yes
[08:03] <Jucato> aw... you rock! :D
[08:04] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[08:06] <yuriy> way to go nixternal! also great blog post!
[08:09] <crimsun> I blogged an hour or so ago
[08:10] <yuriy> well, i think personal ones are silly
[08:10] <crimsun> at least I think that's the last triaging I did
[08:12] <yuriy> crimsun: you're not on planet?
[08:12] <crimsun> yuriy: I don't need to be on planet. my blog is launchpad.net activity.
[08:13] <Lure> crimsun: ;-)
[08:13] <yuriy> *confused*
[08:14] <crimsun> yuriy: it's an offhand way of saying that anything worthwhile that I've done shows up in the bugtracker ;)
[08:15] <yuriy> thought that might be what you meant : )
[08:36] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i put up a schedule but it's lacking a day
[08:37] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you forward me the link pleaseA?
[08:38] <yuriy> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs
[08:38] <yuriy> Hobbsee: late to work?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> yuriy: nope.  just wanting to know if i'd take on a supervising shift on one of the days
[08:38] <Hobbsee> yuriy: email please?  :)
[08:42] <yuriy> Hobbsee: sent, bye!
[08:42] <Hobbsee> thanks!
[08:43] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee!
[10:35] <mhb> nixternal: awww, too bad the localised docs missing won't be fixed at all
[10:36] <mhb> nixternal: (in Edgy, I mean) ... I'm allergic to the "it's working well for us English-speaking people so it's not important" cliche
[10:37] <mhb> nixternal: i.e. is there a sensible reason why it won't be fixed?
[10:40] <mhb> nixternal: (yeah, I know I'm acting too personal, but hey, the current attitude "we won't fix it" kinda says that the work of the many people that tried to translate it is worthless)
[11:43] <GNUro> 'lo!
[11:43] <Tm_T> !tor
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[11:43] <Jucato> !proxy
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[11:44] <Tm_T> Jucato: Thanks, you youngsters remember well. :)
[11:44] <Jucato> nah. I just learned that today myself :D
[11:46] <Tm_T> Jucato: I learn it every day, again.
[11:46] <Jucato> heh
[11:49] <Riddell> anyone have test reports of the new digikam?
[12:00] <Riddell> mm, quite a changelog does digikam have
[12:03] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[12:47] <ryanakca> would Kubuntu be considered a "KDE Related Project"?
[12:49] <apokryphos> completely depends on what you're implying with that
[12:49] <apokryphos> it's a distribution that uses KDE; if that meets your criteria for calling it that, then sure
[12:51] <ryanakca> http://dot.kde.org/1115209184/
[12:52] <Riddell> I'm sure Kolab already has a website
[12:52] <allee> www.kolab.org ?
[12:53] <ryanakca> It does...
[12:53] <allee> Riddell: digikam: I did some quick test last night.  And used beta1 rc1 and rc2 in the last weeks.  Nothing obvious broken, but I use only a small fraction of all the functionality
[12:53] <allee> I've pointed kubuntu-testers now to Lure feisty debs
[12:54] <ryanakca> allee: I know, except, going back to the idea of last night, I was wondering about a Kolab server for Kubuntu-devel, or at least a trial run
[12:56] <allee> ryanakca: would be nice.  I've a kolab server to quite some time on my todo but never found time to (re)try.  I've played 2 year ago with the monster install, never with the .deb pkgs
[12:56] <ryanakca> "[06:55]  <ThomasAH> ryanakca: just looked at a live kolab system with 160 users: ~7GB in 41 days"
[12:57] <ryanakca> allee: Yeah... I tried to install it a while back too... but... I don't think I can set it up on my server, since my ISP blocks port 25..
[12:59] <ryanakca> we're about... say.. 45 who would/might use it... so, that's 2GB of bandwith per 41 days... I think...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: can you keep watch please?
[01:07] <apokryphos> watching
[01:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: your banning working again? :P
[01:10] <Riddell> apokryphos: my irssi restarted
[01:10] <apokryphos> heh
[01:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll ssh in from school today and try to fix install-mp3
[01:22] <Tonio_> hi
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[01:22] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee  ;)
[01:22] <Tonio_> still in vacation and no wireless access with linux -> can't work.....
[01:23] <Tonio_> hi Jucato !
[01:23] <Jucato> wow vacation :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh
[01:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: I am on vacation since a few month now, but here I'm with my family
[01:24] <Jucato> family time. that's kool :)
[01:24] <Jucato> hope you're having fun :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> I wanted to build a test kernel wth kubuntu to fix an audio issue with macbook pro, but that's a bit hard to perform without any internet connection :)
[01:25] <Tonio_> no network cable here, everything is wireless, so I'm doing with osx
[01:25] <Jucato> ooh :P
[01:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: wait next week, I'll be back home and restart the work
[01:26] <Tonio_> on monday probably
[01:26] <Jucato> can wait for weeks even. not that critical anyway. just your typical curiousity questions
[01:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: :)
[01:29] <ryanakca> Hey Tonio_
[01:57] <Lure> Tonio_: afair, you did MIR for digikam. Can you remind me why MIR was not done also for digikamimageplugins?
[01:57] <Lure> Tonio_: imageplugins are considered more or less part of digikam and would make sense to have them in main and possibly also in ship
[01:59] <Riddell> they won't fit on ship
[02:00] <Tonio_> ryanakca: private messages don't seem to work on that client :)
[02:00] <Tonio_> I'll have to find a better one for osx, please speak here :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> I don't even know if you can see that message
[02:10] <Tonio_> re
[02:10] <Tonio_> ryanakca: should be okay this time
[02:10] <Tonio_> seems there is no really go irc client for osx
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you get lure's question?
[02:11] <Lure> [13:57]  <Lure> Tonio_: afair, you did MIR for digikam. Can you remind me why MIR was not done also for digikamimageplugins?
[02:11] <Lure> [13:57]  <Lure> Tonio_: imageplugins are considered more or less part of digikam and would make sense to have them in main and possibly also in ship
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi ;) didn't get Lure's no....
[02:12] <Lure> Tonio_: hi & sorry to bother you while on vacation ;-
[02:12] <Lure> ;-)
[02:12] <Tonio_> Lure that was decided during the meeting, as we didn't want to ship with it, as we already missed space on the cd
[02:13] <Tonio_> that's the only reason
[02:13] <Lathiat> main != shipped on the cd
[02:13] <Riddell> should be fine in supported
[02:13] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I thought that, I was just concerned that there were some issues with it
[02:13] <Riddell> but worth pointing out that last weeks DVDs were oversized
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: will try to write MIR tonight (new template wrom iwj is more detailed...)
[02:14] <Tonio_> Lathiat yes of course, but as we were on emergency I only did digikam for that reason
[02:14] <Tonio_> there souldn't be any problem supporting this too
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: it will be my first MIR, so I will need some help for sure
[02:14] <Tonio_> Lure please ask if I'm arround, but there is not that much chance :)
[02:15] <Tonio_> Lure only 5 days back with family and friends, hard to find time for everyone
[02:15] <Lure> Tonio_: no pb, I will bug Riddell ;-)
[02:15] <Lure> I am bugging him already for 0.9.1 inclusion ;-)
[02:16] <Riddell> I've asked for the UVF exception for that
[02:16] <Tonio_> hehe, okay
[02:18] <Tonio_> once back I'll try to focus a bit on macbook pro support, as everything worked with edgy and there are still big issues with feisty
[02:18] <Tonio_> first will be kernel patch for sound
[02:18] <Tonio_> then ndiswrapper kernel panic issue (wich seems to be general issue, not only with macbooks)
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell are there specific kubutu issues I should add to my todo ?
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell no way for me to track the passwords/dots issue, seems a nightmare to reproduce
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell I had the issue and then after a reboot with no upgrade, it dissapeared...., but that's minor issue btw
[02:22] <Tonio_> re....
[02:22] <Tonio_> lots of osx apps seems to have little issues with the dock.... they are still alive but invisible....
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell sorry if you responded, I didn't saw your messages.....
[02:23] <Tonio_> I can't wait to be able to use linux on that machine...
[02:24] <Riddell> nothing kubuntu specific on macbook that I know of, but check that power manager and laptop buttons work
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell and concerning kubutu general issues you'd like me to work on ?
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell I already tested kubuntu on a mac, no specific problem related to kde
[02:27] <Riddell> fix scribus in dapper?
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell concerning laptop buttons, the sound works, but nothing with the backlight or backlight keyboard, we should look at pommed oftware concerning this
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell is it broken ?
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell pommed fails on feisty and works on edgy, as it is an alioth proect, I'll contact upstream as it works on debian, should on ubuntu too
[02:29] <Riddell> I have no idea what pommed oftware is
[02:29] <Tonio_> Lure I emailed cjwatson concerning this, no response yet (I doubt any in the future !)
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: about what?
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddell about macbook pro support, Lure told me he wanted to work on this
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddell I already have a kernel patch to test for the speakers issue, and a second one for ndiswrapper
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddellonce that's fixed, there is just pommed to get to work for a very good support
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell pommed cannot be replaced by laptop-buttons things as it uses the sensor or automatic settings of keyboard and screen backlight
[02:32] <Tonio_> kwwii you complained about that, you might be happy when it works :)
[02:33] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, now I have an ibm laptop :-)
[02:33] <Tonio_> kwwii ah... :)
[02:35] <kwwii> which means my ppc runs osx now - better in the long run anyway
[02:35] <Tonio_> kwwii hehe, true :)
[02:45] <Lure> kwwii: rotate_cw and rotate_ccw are mixed up in Oxygen - whom should I ping?
[02:45] <Lure> kwwii: problem is that oxygen is in major rename, so not sure if it is wothwhile to report at all
[02:49] <kwwii> Lure: in the new svn stuff?
[02:49] <kwwii> Lure: with the new names, you mean?
[02:50] <Lure> kwwii: old - I wanted to properly report, but now I see only rotate.svg in theme/svg/actions
[02:50] <Lure> kwwii: I am using oxygen_2007-02-15-14-50.tar.gz and was confused when implementing rotate left/right for digikam ;-)
[02:51] <Lure> kwwii: now it looks like it is ./svg/actions/object-rotate-left.svg and ./svg/actions/object-rotate-right.svg
[02:52] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, so now they are correct :-)
[02:52] <Lure> kwwii: ok, they are correct now - sorry to bothering you.
[02:52] <kwwii> np ;-)
[02:52] <Lure> kwwii: sometimes you just need to talk to someone to see where the problem is ;-)
[02:53] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[02:57] <_StefanS_> kwwii: show me the graphics !
[02:57] <_StefanS_> kwwii: :D
[03:35] <nixternal> mhb: there was no reason given, that was what I was told concerning the local issues with edgy docs
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[03:52] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:53] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:59] <Riddell> has anyone tested the new kubuntu-artwork-usplash?  does it show the new logo?
[04:00] <Riddell> mm, I see the problem
[04:01] <nixternal> oh ya, well I see dead people
[04:01] <bddebian> haha
[04:02] <nixternal> I haven't seen the new splash yet
[04:02] <nixternal> except for a picture that kwwii showed me last week
[04:02] <Riddell> it looks a lot like that
[04:03] <nixternal> it did look good though, I will say that
[04:07] <\sh> hmmm
[04:07] <\sh> avahi is disabled, but what is this now:
[04:07] <\sh> 109       5463     1  0 09:14 ?        00:00:00 avahi-autoipd: [eth1]  bound 169.254.5.17
[04:07] <mhb> nixternal: who decided it?
[04:08] <mhb> nixternal: ya, I thought it was not your decision
[04:08] <Riddell> maybe network-manager
[04:08] <nixternal> mhb: who ever controls the string stuff for Ubuntu
[04:08] <mhb> nixternal: I really feel like complaining to somebody
[04:08] <Riddell> ** qt 3.3.8 testers needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-qt/ ./
[04:08] <mhb> Riddell: I can do that in a jiffy
[04:08] <nixternal> mhb: I had actually uploaded a patch to fix the issue, a big one at that, and then they said since Edgy wasn't a major release and would soon be replaced by Feisty, it wasn't worth it getting an SRU for it
[04:08] <\sh> Riddell: looks like...this shouldn't happen
[04:09] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, but what I feel is that they say "who cares about the work that translators did"
[04:10] <mhb> nixternal: and thats what I do, translate
[04:11] <nixternal> I hear you mhb. I hate it as well
[04:11] <nixternal> I think it is nuts that we have something like 100 bugs for typos and what not and we can't fix them until the next release
[04:12] <nixternal> I think it is e.tarded truthfully
[04:12] <mhb> nixternal: well the language packs get updated sometimes
[04:12] <mhb> nixternal: after the release
[04:12] <nixternal> ya, but not for Edgy I guess
[04:13] <mhb> Riddell: is that package for feisty or edgy?
[04:18] <Riddell> mhb: feisty
[04:20] <Riddell> ooh, it solves the scribus spinbox issue for me
[04:23] <manchicken> That ugly debconf issue is here again.
[04:24] <Riddell> manchicken: which one?
[04:24] <manchicken> Nice value incorrect one.
[04:24] <Riddell> ?
[04:26] <manchicken> http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=141
[04:27] <Riddell> rocking
[04:27] <Riddell> how did you get that?
[04:28] <manchicken> I'm just running adept_update from adept_notifier in feisty.
[04:28] <manchicken> Then after you're forced to cancel that a couple times adept errors out citing dependency failures.
[04:29] <Jucato> hi manchicken :)
[04:30] <Riddell> nasty
[04:31] <manchicken> yup
[04:31] <manchicken> hiya Jucato
[04:31] <manchicken> That issue has been biting me for a while.
[04:34] <kdefreak> Riddell: ok, so, the install mp3 script on feisty and edgy are identical, right^
[04:34] <Riddell> kdefreak: it hasn't been touched
[04:34] <kdefreak> s/^/?
[04:34] <Riddell> the feisty one needs changing to not enable multiverse and to install the xine-ffmpeg package
[04:34] <kdefreak> hmm... works on edgy...
[04:34] <kdefreak> ah
[04:34] <kdefreak> kk
[04:37] <Riddell> Lure, allee: I got approval to upload digikam
[04:40] <Lure> Riddell: great!
[04:41] <Lure> Riddell: so is libkexiv2 already through source NEW queue?
[04:41] <Lure> otherwise build will fail
[04:41] <mhb> nixternal: I just emailed jono about the documentation bug
[04:41] <Riddell> it'll be a dep wait
[04:41] <mhb> nixternal: just to let you know
[04:41] <Riddell> it's seb's archive day tomorrow so I'll poke him then
[04:42] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if seb128 does source NEW too
[04:42] <Riddell> don't see why not
[04:46] <Riddell> allee: why is the epoc required on digikam?
[04:52] <manchicken> Bug 74877 looks like it may have a solution? :))
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74877 in linux-source-2.6.20 "regression: suspend does not work on hp nw8240 with feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74877
[04:56] <Lure> manchicken: I certanly hope so ;-)
[04:59] <manchicken> Me too.
[04:59] <manchicken> It greatly affects me.
[05:05] <Riddell> mhb: are you able to find testers for bug 74408 ?
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74408 in xdg-utils "[SRU] : xdg-utils for edgy-updates: 1.0 has syntax errors with dash" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74408
[05:05] <Riddell> it's trivial to test
[05:07] <mhb> Riddell: I'll try
[05:08] <Riddell> nixternal: do you still have the debdiff for 73384?
[05:09] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, do you know who decided that it wouldn't be fixed and why?
[05:09] <Riddell> mhb: I don't think anyone did
[05:10] <Riddell> hello allee
[05:10] <Riddell> hello Alpha_Cluster
[05:10] <Alpha_Cluster> hello
[05:10] <mhb> Riddell: according to nixternal and the bug somebody did
[05:10] <mhb> Riddell: I mean for Edgy
[05:11] <mhb> I'm quite enraged about that as it was me who translated that documentation to Czech for Edgy and now it's worthless
[05:13] <kdefreak> Any PyQt geniuses around willing to help me with http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~afedosov/qttut/ ? I've added the slot, but, when I go to add the connection, I donn't see that AddEntry() slot..
[05:13] <mhb> hi Kuhrscher, any incorrect translation bugs lately? :o)
[05:14] <Kuhrscher> mhb: In Feisty? Who knows ;-)
[05:14] <mhb> Kuhrscher: I should, well I will once the translations will be fully opened
[05:15] <Kuhrscher> Ok, I will also try to check as far as possible...
[05:15] <Kuhrscher> The import to Feisty isn't finished, right?
[05:16] <mhb> Riddell: can that 73384 be fixed in the end? I've even emailed Jono about that, as I feel we should respect the work of the translators and not throw their work away ...
[05:16] <mhb> Kuhrscher: what do you mean by import?
[05:16] <Kuhrscher> mhb: Perhaps it would be reasonable to have a wiki page to collect all i18n issues?
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: it may well be worth a shot now that SRU are moving again
[05:20] <mhb> Kuhrscher: of course, why not
[05:20] <allee> Riddell: digikam: first epoch was introduced due to a x.y-rc upload instead x.y~rc.  the second epoch due to 0.9 final denied, so we had to revert to 0.8.2.  Only way:  2:0.8.2  is bigger than 1:0.9.x
[05:20] <mhb> Kuhrscher: actually as translation bugs affect me as well I'll be happy to work on them
[05:21] <mhb> (although the last few ones were fixed by Tonio, shame on me and hooray for him)
[05:21] <Riddell> allee: ok, thanks
[05:21] <Kuhrscher> mhb: Most important to see them fixed ;-)
[05:25] <mhb> Kuhrscher: true, and that's what I'd like
[05:38] <Lure> I have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[05:38] <Lure> Does anybody know k3b 1.0 status (rc6 works nice here)?
[06:03] <emikes> Grr...
[06:05] <allee> Lure: you didn't add you feisty debs.  Until 0.9.1 is really is ubuntu archive the link would be useful too?
[06:07] <Lure> allee: you are right, will add back
[06:07] <Riddell> Lure: trueg is ill, so I guess it's unlikely to happen
[06:07] <allee> Lure: btw. there's digikamimageplugins-doc 0.9.0 in experimental now.  I've never tried it.  0.9.2 docs are scheduled in 2 week.  Maybe it's better to get at least 0.9 for d-iamgeplugins in?
[06:08] <Lure> Riddell: :-( and it is supposed to just get minor update
[06:08] <Lure> allee: I would wait for final - I am sure we should not have problems to include for -doc. Riddell?
[06:10] <Riddell> Lure: shouldn't think so, is that released separately from digikamimageplugins?
[06:10] <allee> Riddell: yes, -doc are seperate tarballs
[06:10] <Lure> Riddell: and they are delayed for 2 weeks to pick up translations
[06:10] <Lure> Riddell: handbook got quite some update
[06:11] <Riddell> ok
[06:11] <allee> Lure: ah, reminds, when digikam/showfoto get's in we should have an eye on the translations.  FWIW showfoto has no translation at all currently.
[06:12] <Riddell> allee: do you know what has happened to ksniffer 2.0?
[06:14] <Lure> allee: I run english, so I do not notice such regressions ;-)
[06:15] <allee> Lure: me too ;)
[06:17] <allee> and as I usually use selfmade deb, there translations are there, independently if the translation-magic of the ubuntu builds fails
[06:18] <allee> Riddell: ksniffer?  No.   Even never tried or used it AFAIR
[07:18] <larsivi> I dist-upgraded to Feisty today, worked great!
[07:18] <larsivi> The new updates that just trickled in don't want to install though - wrong nice value according to debconf
[07:19] <Riddell> larsivi: manchicken was repoting that bug too
[07:22] <larsivi> Riddell: ah, ok
[07:23] <larsivi> oh, if I restart, the number of desktops goes back to 2 (after I set it to 4)
[07:25] <Riddell> larsivi: that's after upgrading some packages?  or always?
[07:25] <larsivi> Riddell: hmm, only done it twice yet I think, but it happened both times
[07:27] <Riddell> I think tonio changed that, but I'm not sure where he did it
[07:48] <manchicken> Man, moving sucks.
[07:51] <Riddell> Lure: do you know where the upstream version freeze exception process is documented?
[07:58] <\sh> Riddell: for universe?
[07:59] <Riddell> found it
[07:59] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[08:01] <nixternal> Riddell: yes I still have that debdiff for Kubuntu docs and translations for bug 73384
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73384 in kubuntu-docs "Localized Kubuntu documents missing" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73384
[08:02] <nixternal> 20MB to be exact, so I won't be able to upload it until I get home
[08:02] <nixternal> school wifi is < garbage
[08:03] <Riddell> nixternal: upload it somewhere and I'll take a look
[08:04] <nixternal> when I get home I will do it (@23:00 UTC)
[08:04] <nixternal> mhb: I reopened the bug "in progress"
[08:06] <nixternal> Riddell: ooh, if my upload speed stays how it is right now, I should have it up in less than 10 minutes
[08:07] <larsivi> Riddell: I see that my statement above may have been amigious - I have not upgraded anything after the dist-upgrade, but rebooted twice, and both times I lost number-of-desktops setup
[08:09] <Riddell> larsivi: what do you have in ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc  for Number= ?
[08:11] <larsivi> Riddell: it says 4 now - suppose I won't restart until tomorrow when I go to the office - will notify if it resets again
[08:14] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-edgy
[08:42] <nixternal> back to school :) later
[08:43] <NeoChaosX> why is Krita no longer included by default in Feisty?
[08:44] <Riddell> no space on the disk
[08:44] <NeoChaosX> ah
[08:46] <NeoChaosX> another question: why exactly did Krita lose gif support?
[08:47] <Riddell> it switched to graphicsmagick, which isn't in main
[08:47] <NeoChaosX> oh, i see. so i'd have to install that so it can open gifs then?
[08:48] <NeoChaosX> or would i have to compile Krita from source instead?
[08:50] <Riddell> it needs compiled
[08:50] <Riddell> I'm not too sure what to do about the situation
[08:51] <NeoChaosX> graphicsmagick is too questionable to apply for promotion to main, I'm guessing
[08:52] <Riddell> no, but imagemagick is already in main so it's a duplication of code
[08:53] <NeoChaosX> ah, i see
[08:56] <NeoChaosX> thanks for answering. was a bit confused by all that
[09:00] <Cyx> hola
[09:01] <Riddell> hi Cyx
[09:01] <Cyx> hi
[09:01] <Cyx> everyone speaks in english???
[09:02] <Cyx> i'm from argentina
[09:02] <Cyx> and i need help
[09:02] <Riddell> may be some people in #kubuntu-es
[09:09] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for taking a look at that documentation issue
[09:09] <mhb> Riddell: I really appreciate it (as I did many times before :o)
[09:14] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:14] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato Riddell manchicken
[09:15] <_StefanS_> manchicken: have you got that model number for me on the dvb-t tuner ?
[09:15] <_StefanS_> manchicken: if you still want it to work that is :D
[09:15] <mhb> _StefanS_: hey, you omitted me! :o)
[09:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: ouch sorry
[09:16] <_StefanS_> hey mhb
[09:16] <_StefanS_> thats always the risk by saying specific hello's
[09:16] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:17] <_StefanS_> what happened to Tonio_ btw, did he get a job or something.. he's not been on so much lately
[09:17] <_StefanS_> saw him today, but thats the first time in looong time
[09:18] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Shitze... I packed it.
[09:18] <manchicken> Sorry man.
[09:18] <manchicken> I'll bug you about it later in the week.
[09:18] <manchicken> Check this out: http://irc.perl.org/
[09:18] <manchicken> Very neat.
[09:18] <_StefanS_> manchicken: oh yes you were moving
[09:18] <mhb> _StefanS_: I think he's on vacation
[09:18] <_StefanS_> mhb: ow..
[09:19] <manchicken> I'm moving tomorrow.
[09:19] <_StefanS_> manchicken: the link doesn't ... same as drugs.
[09:19] <_StefanS_> doesn't work i mean ;)
[09:19] <manchicken> It's a binary clock.
[09:19] <manchicken> You gotta have JS turned on though.
[09:19] <_StefanS_> manchicken: if it only worked.. i get a forbidden and js i on
[09:19] <_StefanS_> i/is
[09:20] <manchicken> Weird.
[09:20] <_StefanS_> heh now the page cannot be found
[09:20] <manchicken> It's rocking.
[09:20] <_StefanS_> someone is messing about
[09:20] <manchicken> I need to get a binary clock.
[09:21] <_StefanS_> manchicken: there's one over at ... err what is the name of that shop - its linked from slashdot very often
[09:21] <manchicken> They have a neat device I saw on technabob earlier that I want to nab, but it's windows only :'(
[09:21] <_StefanS_> thinkgeek
[09:21] <manchicken> And I don't feel like hacking firmware for it.
[09:22] <_StefanS_> manchicken: well you mean like a hardware binary clock,  right ?
[09:23] <_StefanS_> manchicken: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/59e0/
[09:23] <manchicken> Yeah.  One you could sit on the desktop.
[09:28] <_StefanS_> wow this one is funny ... "Use Windows Authentication" .. It sort of makes you laugh
[09:28] <_StefanS_> what security hehe
[09:31] <_StefanS_> mhb: hey are you satisfied with the logout thing ?
[09:32] <Lure> hi kwwii
[09:32] <_StefanS_> hey Lure
[09:33] <Lure> hi _StefanS_
[09:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: heh
[09:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: it used to work once I pressed the shutdown button
[09:33] <kwwii> howdy Lure, _StefanS_, mhb
[09:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: but it doesn't anymore
[09:33] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey !
[09:33] <_StefanS_> kwwii: show me the graphics ! :D
[09:33] <kwwii> :-)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh gawd.. can you explain a bit further ?
[09:34] <ryanakca> allee: I'm talking to Paleo about Kolab... says he's going to set it up within the next couple of weeks... wether we can use it or no is another matter 
[09:34] <_StefanS_> koalapaint was cool..
[09:34] <allee> ryanakca: who's Paleo?
[09:36] <mhb> ryanakca: what Kolab server?
[09:36] <mhb> ryanakca: who is "we" ? :o)
[09:36] <ryanakca> allee: Olivier Bdard... the guy who has free hosting for KDE related projects... he's hosting amarok, konversation, and a couple other projects
[09:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: when you pushed the shutdown button, the dialog appeared
[09:36] <mhb> but somehow it doesn't anymore
[09:36] <ryanakca> mhb: kubuntu-devel
[09:36] <mhb> for me .o)
[09:36] <ryanakca> mhb: Kolab server for kubuntu-devel?
[09:37] <mhb> ryanakca: hmm, could be useful
[09:37] <ryanakca> allee: http://dot.kde.org/1115209184/
[09:38] <ryanakca> allee: He left me a reply around 14:30UTC.... I replied to it just now...
[09:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: How do I test install-mp3, if I already have mp3 support installed?
[09:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: uninstall it :)
[09:55] <ryanakca> shucks
[09:55] <ryanakca> lol 
[09:57] <mhb> ryanakca: did you fix kmilo in any way?
[09:58] <mhb> ryanakca: I remember you saying something bout that
[09:58] <ryanakca> mhb: Yes, well, no. I worked around it. It works if I have PCM as my default channel for kmixer, but doesn't if headphones are the default chan.
[09:59] <ryanakca> or nevermind, yes, I guess it's fixed 
[10:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: fixed :D
[10:02] <ryanakca> dbuild and dput to revu? or shall I stick the sources on my repos?
[10:03] <ryanakca> does it fix a bug # (for changelog)?
[10:06] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh.. damn
[10:06] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will look into it..
[10:06] <mhb> _StefanS_: does it happen for you too?
[10:07] <mhb> _StefanS_: could be my fault even though I didn't do anything special
[10:07] <_StefanS_> mhb: you mean the reboot thing for the grub entries, right ?
[10:07] <mhb> _StefanS_: no, I mean the dialog itself
[10:08] <mhb> when I press the shutdown button, it should pop up, right?
[10:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh.. you mean the physical power off ?
[10:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: power button
[10:08] <mhb> yes
[10:08] <mhb> when I press the button on the computer
[10:09] <mhb> the dialog used to appear at one time
[10:09] <_StefanS_> mhb: that should be the same... however mine does not work anymore either when you mention it
[10:09] <_StefanS_> mhb: hmm there might have been some changes to that acpi stuff
[10:10] <_StefanS_> mhb: I mean, I have the same thing happening for me, now that you mention it. my sentences are stupid today
[10:11] <mhb> _StefanS_: mine too :o)
[10:11] <mhb> _StefanS_: I get it
[10:11] <_StefanS_> mhb: ask Riddell, its his fault hehe
[10:13] <_StefanS_> mhb: naw, I dont know what happened to acpi..
[10:14] <_StefanS_> mhb: I found a funny thing though... diff /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.dpkg-old
[10:14] <_StefanS_> mhb: stuff appears to have changed in there
[10:15] <mhb> hey Hobbsee
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Hobbseehh
[10:16] <Hobbsee> heya mhb!
[10:16] <Lure> _StefanS_: you use kpowersave?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> heya _StefanS_
[10:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: updated the maintainer field. "Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[10:16] <ryanakca> Unless Kubuntu Core Developers has a different email...
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Lure: nawp.. somehow a hamster got into the upgrade at some point and killed my fully working kde-guidance
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Lure: kpowersave  looks extremely nice though..
[10:17] <Lure> _StefanS_: pidof dcopserver | wc -w
[10:17] <Lure> _StefanS_: do you get 2?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Lure: yaps
[10:18] <Lure> _StefanS_: that is for sure one of the issues
[10:18] <Lure> _StefanS_: not sure what starts second dcopserver (as root)
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ any idea?
[10:18] <Lure> dcopserver [kdeinit]  --nosid --suicide
[10:18] <_StefanS_> yep
[10:18] <Lure> this --suicide option is interesting
[10:19] <Lure> _StefanS_: thins confuses powerbtn script I did change a month ago...
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: mkay, can it be changed to just use the current user and kill that dcop thing ?
[10:19] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am thinking if kdesu might start this...
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: oh! kdesu on the kde-system-settings does not work anymore either
[10:19] <Lure> _StefanS_: powerbtn.sh is executed as root, so no current user
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: did you experience this ?
[10:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: no...
[10:20] <_StefanS_> err it does now.. well it must be fixed :D
[10:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: works here
[10:20] <_StefanS_> last night I couldn't get it workin'
[10:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: is my eyes deceiving me, or did you make the usplash available ? :D
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Lure: I can't really find any tracks of that extra dcopserver, sorry
[10:24] <Lure> _StefanS_: you have only one?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Lure: no I have two, but I was trying to find out what launched them
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Lure:  to help you :)
[10:25] <kwwii> _StefanS_: it should be available
[10:25] <_StefanS_> kwwii: i was just yanking you chain..
[10:25] <_StefanS_> you/your
[10:25] <kwwii> :p
[10:25] <_Sime_> anyone here having troubles with adept? namely a window appearing during updates ("Debconf"), saying "Incorrect nice value" etc?
[10:25] <neutraloss> use sudo apt-get
[10:26] <_StefanS_> _Sime_: yea, try the lastest updates first
[10:26] <neutraloss> after that adept should work.
[10:26] <mhb> hi _Sime_
[10:26] <mhb> who of you two maitains mountconfig?
[10:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii: btw, have you heard any reports that he usplash doesn't really show until like the last 15-20% of the procedure ? (i'm using flgrx - from the repos)
[10:26] <_Sime_> me
[10:27] <kwwii> _StefanS_: nope, haven't heard that yet
[10:27] <mhb> _Sime_: I noticed that with the last guidance mounting of SMB network shares was not functional
[10:27] <kwwii> but if people experience that we should look into it
[10:27] <_Sime_> _StefanS_:  I'll try that.
[10:27] <_Sime_> mhb: on feisty?
[10:27] <mhb> _Sime_: yes
[10:27] <mhb> _Sime_: edgy worked fine
[10:28] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I will do some testing, I remember that when you shutdown directly from kdm it seemed to work, but not when shutting down from within kde.
[10:28] <_Sime_> mhb: ok. I've got feisty on my laptop now. I'll test that stuff out.
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: might have something to do with swapping screens/or resolutions
[10:30] <kwwii> _StefanS_: perhaps, but that should not be the result of the new pics I put in :-)
[10:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii: nope definitely not ;) - it just came to mind when talking about usplash
[10:30] <neutraloss> _StefanS_: are you using server-xgl with fglrx ?
[10:30] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:31] <_StefanS_> neutraloss: nope, regular xorg
[10:31] <Alpha_Cluster> I am using redeon driver and i only get a small usplash when i shutdown. I dont know if that is same as your problem.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> neutraloss: composite disabled, due to ati's negligence
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: exactly.. you get like the last two bits of the progress indicator, or something ?
[10:32] <Alpha_Cluster> yep
[10:32] <_StefanS_> good thing. it must be a general thing
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: can you try to logout of kde, and then shutdown from kdm and see it it works there ?
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: I think I had it working like that
[10:33] <Alpha_Cluster> ok let me try
[10:33] <_StefanS_> sure hope that ibm will start using nvidia gpu's somewhere in the future, because i'm just dead tired of ATI allround..
[10:38] <Alpha_Cluster> ok  it works if i logout first
[10:41] <neutraloss> did ff5 just hit the repos?
[10:42] <Lure> neutraloss: ff5?
[10:42] <neutraloss> feisty fawn
[10:42] <neutraloss> sorry
[10:42] <Alpha_Cluster> herd 5 has been out
[10:42] <neutraloss> I'm getting a huge update, wasn't there this morning.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> neutraloss: herd 5 is a freeze.  more stuff gets uploaded after it's release
[10:43] <neutraloss> ahh ok
[10:43] <neutraloss> is the first big update since the freeze?
[10:43] <Alpha_Cluster> updates are alwyas happening
[10:43] <toma> maybe a lagging mirror
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: good :) - lets hope someone can figure that one out
[10:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii: did you see Alpha_Cluster's reply on the usplash thingy ?
[10:46] <kwwii> someone should report a bug
[10:46] <Alpha_Cluster> I also realized my kdm has off screen stuff
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: can you create a bug report on the usplash thing ?
[10:47] <Alpha_Cluster> just goin to check if there is one or not
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: off screen stuff ?
[10:47] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i think i maybe just didnt configure right my xorg since im running hte open source driver
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: well it uses the same one AFAIK
[10:48] <_StefanS_> anyone know a good linux tablet ?
[10:49] <yuriy> _StefanS_: think there's a thread or two asking just that on the forums
[10:50] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> yuriy: you would have a link ?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: weren't you concerned that kdm uses a different conf file for xorg ?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: else I must have understood you wrong :)
[10:51] <Alpha_Cluster> _StefanS_: no I mean that I must not have gotten all the options on that i need for the radeon driver.  There really should be a wiki on configuring it
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Alpha_Cluster: and you think that is related to the problem with the splash being displayed on at the very last point ?
[10:52] <_StefanS_> is/it's
[10:52] <Alpha_Cluster> I think its unrelated
[10:53] <_StefanS_> me too, as I i'm using the closed source fglrx and have the same problem ;)
[10:53] <_StefanS_> I think it might a framebuffer issue or something
[10:53] <mhb> _StefanS_: very last point?
[10:53] <mhb> what's that issue about?
[10:54] <Alpha_Cluster> _StefanS_: yeah i just wrote a bug report
[10:54] <yuriy> _StefanS_ can't seem to find the thread i was thinking of, but here's one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290261&highlight=anyone+know+linux+tablet
[10:54] <_StefanS_> mhb: its about the splash screen only appearing briefly during shutdown..
[10:55] <Alpha_Cluster>  _StefanS_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/90242  feell free to comment on it you have the same problem
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90242 in Ubuntu "No Usplash when shutdown from desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: read the bug report :)
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: it works if you shutdown from kdm directly though :)
[10:56] <_StefanS_> wierd
[10:56] <yuriy> related to usplash only for first half of startup?
[10:56] <Alpha_Cluster> oh i should add that
[10:56] <mhb> I'd love to see a fluent switch from/to usplash
[10:56] <Alpha_Cluster> so would I
[10:56] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes that would be nice too.. and kde not flickering like hell when logging out
[10:56] <Alpha_Cluster> i keep trying to close my laptop only to realize its not shutdown yet
[10:57] <mhb> does it display a small icon on the top for you?
[10:57] <mhb> top left
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: me ?
[10:57] <mhb> KDE does display a small icon on the top left when logging out
[10:57] <mhb> seems like the remains of the tray or something
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: it did at some point regularly
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: it was adept I think
[10:58] <_StefanS_> mhb: that stopped however, but I think it was due to some kill/timing issues
[10:58] <Alpha_Cluster> mhb: that would happen just noramlly for me in edgy havent seen it in fiesty though
[10:58] <_StefanS_> mhb: kde should really just fade out (os x like) and dont show all the crap flickering
[11:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: where would you like the package?
[11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: would be easy to create some sort of overlay for the screen, fade it and then just wait for kde to exit completely, the problem however could be some dialog were missed if the screen is black
[11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: donno, just an idea really
[11:02] <Alpha_Cluster> _StefanS_: check if there has been a suggestion like that on launchpad.
[11:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: thanks for looking up that thread :)
[11:03] <yuriy> +1 for some sanity on logout
[11:03] <yuriy> though i don't think i get the little icon in the corner anymore either
[11:03] <mhb> maybe not even me - it flickers so much I can't notice :o)
[11:04] <_StefanS_> yuriy: has that been decided at some meeting ? (I didn't know)
[11:04] <yuriy> _StefanS_: no, i'm just saying making it not flicker crazily would be nice
[11:05] <_StefanS_> yuriy: ow :) - i thought you meant feisty+1 :D
[11:08] <mhb> _StefanS_: are you aware of the kde4 development?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: what part of it =?
[11:08] <xerosis> kwwii: new splash is awesome :)
[11:08] <mhb> _StefanS_: well the shutdown process improvements, of course :o) I am not
[11:08] <mhb> kwwii: I knew people would like it :o)
[11:09] <kwwii> xerosis: glad to hear that someone saw it ;-)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> ooh i gotta reboot !
[11:09] <Alpha_Cluster> kwwii: is htta what the usplash update was for ;)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> need to see those gfx
[11:09] <yuriy> ooh i gotta boot !
[11:09] <xerosis> even if it's only shutdown...
[11:11] <yuriy> wait i missed it...
[11:12] <xerosis> yuriy: gotta be quick ;)
[11:12] <yuriy> xerosis: bootup takes long enough. problem is usplash only works half way through :-\
[11:14] <xerosis> yuriy: i meant it only shows on shutdown for me
[11:14] <xerosis> for about 3 seconds!
[11:15] <yuriy> 22k/s updates... i think something must be wrong with my router, i get more like 400k/s when i'm on wireless
[11:15] <yuriy> of course could be just the time of day
[11:16] <_StefanS_> kwwii: kudos on the logo :) - nice solid, and easy to read while maintaining the seriousness :)
[11:17] <Alpha_Cluster> yuriy: updates are always that slow for me and im on a college campus
[11:17] <kwwii> _StefanS_: thanks :-)
[11:17] <_StefanS_> kwwii: do you any plans for replacing the rest inside kdm, kde ?
[11:17] <yuriy> Alpha_Cluster: so am i, but they seem to be slower when i'm on wired even though it's the same internet access
[11:18] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yes, that is what I am going to start doing now
[11:18] <_StefanS_> kwwii: sweet :)
[11:18] <Alpha_Cluster> yuriy: I know how that feels. Though i dont think its true.
[11:20] <xerosis> if kdm is anything like gdm, i can't wait :)
[11:21] <Alpha_Cluster> how is gdm > kdm?
[11:21] <xerosis> Alpha_Cluster: the new feisty theme i meant
[11:22] <Alpha_Cluster> ohh yay finally :)
[11:23] <yuriy> wow i forgot i still had dapper installed
[11:25] <Lathiat> \sh_away: avahi-autoipd is used to grab link local IPs on an interface
[11:25] <Lathiat> \sh_away: when no other IP can be configured
[11:25] <mhb> kwwii: aww man
[11:25] <Lathiat> \sh_away: this is separate from avahi-daemon
[11:25] <mhb> kwwii: I just restarted
[11:25] <Lathiat> \sh_away: its a plugin to dhclient
[11:25] <mhb> kwwii: why is the progress bar so tiny?
[11:25] <kwwii> mhb: and?
[11:25] <kwwii> lol
[11:25] <mhb> kwwii: I thought you agreed with me
[11:26] <kwwii> which resolution do you run?
[11:26] <mhb> kwwii: that the size of the new Ubuntu one is a lot better
[11:26] <mhb> kwwii: 1024x768
[11:26] <mhb> kwwii: this one is like 5 times smaller
[11:26] <kwwii> mhb: it is exactly the same size as the ubuntu version
[11:27] <mhb> kwwii: maybe you changed the size of the Ubuntu one recently just to make me angry :o)
[11:27] <mhb> kwwii: wait, I'll get my camera
[11:28] <kwwii> mhb: no, you are right
[11:28] <kwwii> I just noticed it
[11:28] <kwwii> we need to change that
[11:29] <mhb> kwwii: oh good
[11:29] <kwwii> I will fix that soon
[11:29] <mhb> thanks :o)
[11:29] <kwwii> need to edit the .c file as well
[11:29] <kwwii> thanks for noticing that
[11:30] <mhb> kwwii: otherwise the logo is pretty nice
[11:30] <mhb> I like it
[11:31] <kwwii> cool
[11:34] <mhb> indeed .o)
[11:36] <kwwii> lol, I forgot to add the new ones
[11:37] <kwwii> *that* is the problem :p
[11:37] <yuriy> progress bar looks same as before to me
[11:37] <kwwii> yuriy: yeah, exactly
[11:37] <yuriy> still like the previous logo better, but I think I feel like that every time artwork changes and then it grows on me
[11:38] <kwwii> I made nice big shiny new ones already :-)
[11:38] <yuriy> oh : )
[11:40] <yuriy> uhoh
[11:40] <yuriy> nvm.. fluke i think
[11:44] <_StefanS_> going to sleep.. night
[11:51] <Alpha_Cluster> hey can anyone check something for me?
[11:52] <Lure> make
[11:52] <Lure> ups, wrong window ;-)
[11:52] <Alpha_Cluster> nvm (realized i have a computer next to me)
[11:55] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[11:56] <kwwii> Riddell: i noticed that I missed the progress bars (and the .c config file) for the usplash
[11:57] <kwwii> Riddell: so how do you want me to do this? just add the pics, do a dch -i and then commit?
[11:57] <kwwii> ie. no pushing this time
[12:00] <kwwii> as soon as I know, I'll upload the changes
[12:09] <manchicken> So what is ubuntu hug day?
[12:13] <jdong_> manchicken: it's when you give intimate hugs to all the same gender devs you meet.
[12:13] <jdong_> or "meat" if you want an innuendo too