=== j_ack [n=rudi@p508DC0A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] Mithrandir, cjwatson, thanks for the help on the cupsys package, I have put up an improved version on my web space now, biff === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.190.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-37-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jay` [n=jcamp@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-1995a020904d804a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-56.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rotund [n=rotund@72-160-242-104.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nrdb [n=neil@100.104.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] I just heard that "update-modules" is depreciated, to reduce confusion, couldn't it be make a link or script that just runs depmod ? maybe with a message to use depmod instead. 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[08:01] Filename: pool/main/c/compiz/compiz_0.3.6-1ubuntu7_all.deb [08:01] mneptok: sorry :) [08:01] no reason to apologize. [08:02] if it's not removed from supported packages i'll just quit. [08:03] mneptok: "you poor bastard" [08:03] mneptok: people *NEED* bling [08:04] mneptok: my son just made some strange noises when you started writing on IRC === fabbione lets him play with a USB snd card [08:05] hehehhe [08:05] he can detect the presence of an intellectual peer. [08:05] mneptok: you bet :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] Mithrandir: finally some sense! [08:15] jdong: you misquoted. :P [08:15] Hobbsee: effin close enough [08:16] got the point across :) [08:16] "i'd rather spend 5 minutes fixing a bug in feisty than two months fixing a bug in edgy" [08:16] but yeah :) [08:16] :) [08:16] you got it close enough that i recognised it :P [08:16] so I made it sound less severe :D [08:16] but the general gist is concerning nonehteless ;-) === beuno [n=martin@200-127-6-133.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] true [08:16] in my opinion, stable releases are pretty much dead releases - no changing them :P === Hobbsee wonders how many devs now have that mindset [08:17] Hobbsee: I think it is true in practice but should not be that way :( === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-35-136.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-35-136.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp145-29.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-35-136.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === shenki_ is now known as shenki === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-35-136.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F752EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] good morning === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] <_ion> ditto [08:51] hi _ion [08:53] dholbach: yay, gthumb photo import mystery solved === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A9127C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@86.76.26.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] pitti: what was it? [08:56] dholbach: see bug 78756 [08:56] Malone bug 78756 in libgphoto2 "photo import does not work any more" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78756 === pitti hugs the community [08:58] URG [08:58] that wasn't really obvious === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] hm === ajmitch should have known that [09:02] since f-spot uses the same libs for importing [09:02] ajmitch: so it has the same problem? [09:02] no, I added libusb-dev to f-spot's build-deps :) [09:03] pfffft :) [09:03] must have been awhile ago [09:03] yay for photo import [09:04] now if inserting my SD card doesn't crash the kernel anymore, I'll be real happy :) === nuscly_ [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] carlos: hi [09:10] carlos: how are the imports? [09:10] we are still handling entries imported at the end of January... [09:10] danilo is profiling the process to see what's going on [09:11] because it's being slow [09:11] doko: your rebuild-o-mania is finished now or shall I still wait with the Maintainer: stuff? === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65CC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-31-76.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rohinton [i=Rohinton@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] gpocentek,pitti: thunar-volman-plugin reprocessed now, thanks to cprov for fixing the code [10:11] should be in the archive shortly === herzi [n=herzi@p548FF29C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] StevenK: remaining cyrus-imapd-2.2 binaries should similarly be in the archive shortly === Kagou [n=Kagou@86.76.26.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] cjwatson: Right, thanks very much. [10:24] please, must i update_initramfs when i change the casper scripts ? [10:25] yes [10:26] ok [10:30] cjwatson, cprov-afk: thanks === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] Mithrandir: hi, could you give a retry to compiz-extra build? === zch [n=manuel@85-124-206-184.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] seb128: given-back [10:58] Mithrandir: thank you === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] cjwatson, i cant get console-setup to work on thin clients ... both init scripts are run, the configuration is correct (done with dpkg-reconfigure) but i dont get the right font or keymap on the console ... any tips ? [10:59] it works if i log in and run the initscript manually [10:59] but not through init it seems [11:01] Mithrandir: compiz upstream is working on a 0.4 bug fixing version, gandalfn who works on the Ubuntu compiz made a pre-version package with a no-tfp patch which makes it work with fglrx for example, what do you think about updating? [11:01] ogra: update-initramfs might fix it [11:02] ogra: (setupcon has to run before usplash starts) [11:02] Mithrandir: do you want an UVF request for it? [11:02] well, i see it getting set [11:02] but its gone after usplash [11:02] directly after: Loading please wait ... the font switches ... then usplash kicks in [11:03] ok, I'm not sure then, sorry [11:03] hmm [11:03] does it need any writeable tings i have to aded to the tmpfs mounted files ? [11:03] *things [11:03] *add [11:04] (does it rewrite anything ?) === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-2c88b40c7c5533cf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra looks up what setupcon --save does [11:05] it's not meant to [11:05] setupcon --save will, but that's not run during the boot sequence [11:06] it does need to write to /etc/ while console-setup is being configured, of course [11:06] if you're seeing a font change during the initramfs, though, it's probably not thatt [11:07] almost sounds like it's changing the font back after usplash [11:07] yeah [11:08] compare /etc/default/console-setup and the various files in /etc/console-setup/ in and out of the initramfs, I guess [11:08] yup, wiul do [11:08] *will [11:08] I guess I should upload the console-setup work in progress I have - it doesn't really fix the problem I was trying to fix but it would make it easier to get somewhere with it === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] can someone help with a bug report? [11:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-applets [11:11] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415242 [11:11] Gnome bug 415242 in gweather "Hazardous weather alerts" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [11:11] want to file that bug in lp [11:12] poningru: why? [11:13] dholbach: I shouldnt?... I was thinking just to keep a bug in lp.net as well [11:13] cjwatson, hmm, booting without splash fixes it ... [11:13] I didn't say you shouldn't. I just asked wanted to know if there's a special reason [11:14] its not changing back [11:14] dholbach: just because... /me likes lp.net > bgo [11:15] poningru: well - there are 412k upstream bugs - we usually link bugs that 1) were reported in LP and then forwarded upstream or 2) were filed upstream and are really important to track for us [11:16] eek ok [11:16] poningru: as it's "just" an enhancement bug, I personally wouldn't file it in LP - but you're free to do it of course [11:16] poningru: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+filebug would be the appropriate URL [11:17] meh I will just work with the gnome people [11:17] thanks [11:17] poningru: Why that? [11:17] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=84045&action=view btw [11:17] why what? just work with the gnome people? [11:17] poningru: yes [11:18] I mean if they accept the code upstream it will trickle down to ubuntu so might as well contribute to gnome in general [11:19] I need a german translator for bug 60527, please [11:19] Malone bug 60527 in language-pack-gnome-de "xchat-gnome /me misbehaviour" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60527 [11:21] poningru: Yeah, it will - I just wasn't sure if you felt 'turned down' by my answer - I like the idea the bug suggests and appreciate work going on there, it's just that it doesn't make sense to track every upstream bug in LP -- if you want to have it in LP, I won't stop you though :) [11:22] hehe naah didnt feel turned down or anything [11:22] you just made sense === poningru shakes fist at dholbach [11:22] ogra: right, could well be the same thing I was trying to attack following a Turkish user's report; not finished yet [11:22] how dare you make sense [11:22] poningru: I'll try to avoid it from now on ;-) [11:23] Kagou: do you have a reference (URL) to the list/blog/etc. discussion about fr-oss? [11:23] dholbach: good cause we have too much of that around here ;) === schwuk [n=schwuk@www.schwuk.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === afflux [i=discoflu@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] mjg59: macbook/pro stuff pushed [11:42] cjwatson: yes but in french ;) [11:43] cjwatson: http://www.kagou.fr/post/2007/02/21/Clavier-sous-Ubuntu [11:43] cjwatson: and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-fr-l10n/2007-February/001114.html === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Mithrandir, seb128: could one of you please NEW restricted-manager? I don't want to approve my own pacakge [11:53] Mithrandir, seb128: doesn't need to happen immediately, but would be nice in the next two days or so [11:54] Kagou: ok, thanks; I'll take care of it [11:54] <_ion> What is restricted-manager, btw? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] cjwatson: feel free to ask me more informations. I will try to answer you. Thanks === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] _ion: I can guess it has something to do with easier selection of what non-free drivers or perhaps codecs to use/install [12:08] _ion: https://launchpad.net/restricted-manager/ [12:08] just the restricted-component's drivers, that is [12:13] right [12:14] <_ion> Ok. I take it it allows you e.g. to install and configure the proprietary nvidia/ati driver for use with xorg easily? [12:14] right [12:14] pitti: just tested it, looks great. is "disable all" in plans, and would it basically give you a clean (as in freedom :) ) installation as far as main(+universe) in ubuntu is clean? currently I've restricted disabled on my desktop computer. [12:15] <_ion> Nice [12:15] Mithrandir: if you don't have lrm installed, it should not list anything [12:15] erm, Mirv ^ [12:15] Mithrandir: sorry, wrong nick completion [12:16] pitti: yes, but on my laptop, and on any default installation? ie. is it somewhat similar to disable all there than what is it to disable the restricted component. does disabling everything there mean none of the restricted packages contents are used? [12:16] Mirv: yes, if you untick 'Allow' for everything, none will be used [12:17] however, they are still lurking on your disk, which might still be regarded as infestation :) [12:17] <_ion> Someone who cares about that probably knows enough to purge the lrm package etc. :-) [12:18] pitti: ok, just checking. but anyway, the tool looks great, and is educating the user in a right (and needed) manner. [12:18] _ion: yes, indeed :) [12:19] I do know this is not the really correct way to go :) - http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/nouveau/ [12:19] Mirv: why, what's wrong with nouveau? [12:19] pitti: I mean, the message on the page [12:19] ah, heh :) [12:20] just opened it [12:20] sudo modprobe kitt ;) [12:24] <_ion> /usr/bin/restricted-manager:44: DeprecationWarning: the module egg.trayicon is deprecated; equivalent functionality can now be found in pygtk 2.10 [12:26] <_ion> pitti: There's an "image not found" icon instead of the restricted-manager tray icon. I'm using the tangerine icon theme. [12:26] _ion: right, I know [12:26] _ion: do you use the current bzr head or where do you have the package from? [12:27] <_ion> Yeah, bzr. [12:27] _ion: if you are interested in helping out with fixing some things or developing this further, I'd be really glad === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] pitti: you're dreaming ;-) still 100, which I will do tomorrow and Thursday (ronne:~doko/libscan) [12:30] doko: alright === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.190.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] seb128: new compiz> UVF request would be good. [01:00] Mithrandir: ok [01:00] pitti: restricted-manager> I'll get to it, if seb doesn't beat me to it. [01:01] pitti: I'm busy with other things atm, feel free [01:01] seb128: ? [01:02] pitti: that was for Mithrandir === ogra kicks gnome_sound_play() in the guts ... === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] ogra: please kick hard enough to make esound fall out [01:09] heh, i'D love to [01:09] i wonder how it defines a smaple size ... i cant get the login/logound sound to play on ltsp ... [01:10] crimsun: Thanks! [01:10] esdplay and a click in the gui after login play them fine ... but on login pulse moans on the client "sample too large" === shiyee [n=Shiyee@86.48.13.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] ogra: there is a new esound version to package, want to do the update? [01:12] not really [01:12] but if you need a hand i'll do it indeed [01:12] since i'm into pulse anyway === ogra recompiles pulse with a higher samplesize value for esd emu ... [01:17] pitti,seb128: did either of you source NEW compiz-extra and if so, why is it in main? [01:17] I can't see an inclusion report for it [01:17] hm, can't remember NEWing it [01:17] but it's entirely possible that I did === arre [n=ac@1-1-5-33a.gfa.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Mithrandir: that was me and that looks like a mistake [01:18] sorry about that [01:18] seb128: ok, thanks. Just wondering. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] dholbach: if you have time, can you please look at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4501 and tell me if the comment in line 19 is still valid? [01:23] oh [01:23] seb128: totem was yours, right? [01:24] pitti: r-m accepted. [01:24] seb128: you pinged? [01:24] Mithrandir: cheers [01:24] asac: yep [01:24] can you look then? [01:25] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4501 [01:25] line 19 [01:25] NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory is broken in mozilla :/ and contributes to lots of crashers we have [01:28] erk, why we still have tk8.3 in main? [01:29] pitti: blt [01:29] pitti: build-depends for blt. [01:30] erk, the binary has an |'ed dep to 8.4 | 8.3 === pax [n=sirbe@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] And BLT is just an extension library for TK, so why is it in main? :-) === mpytasz [n=dduck@pc-212-51-218-194.p.lodz.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] StevenK: python-tk and python2.5-dbg rdepends [01:30] seb128: afaik totem is run in a separate process ... so the question is if GObject is used at all by totem plugin in mozilla process. [01:30] Ah === pitti wonders whether we can build blt with 8.4 only [01:32] asac: I'm not sure, I don't really know a lot about the plugin, if you want to join #epiphany on irc.gnome.org chpe is upstream for epiphany and working on the totem plugin, he probably knows about that better [01:32] and python2.[45] -dbg depends on blt. [01:32] seb128: good [01:32] Mithrandir: right, but as I said, binary deps are not an issue, they are alternatives [01:34] doko: do you happen to know about blt? (You NMUed it in the past); can we easily drop the tk8.3 build dep? [01:35] pitti: I used it for python-tk only, not using tk8.3 at all. [01:37] doko: it seems easy to do at first sight [01:38] pitti: but we will have tcl8.3 still there (expect-tcl8.3 needs it on hppa) [01:38] argh [01:38] and we can't get rid of that? [01:39] hppa isn't even built any more [01:39] probably not for feisty, but glibc starts looking better on hppa now [01:43] doko: hm, binutils and gcc-* depen on expect-tcl8.3 on all arches === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] so we could at least get rid of tk8.3 [01:43] pitti: yes, we can change that if you want [01:44] well, I don't want to start a new wave of significant work, it just looked like an easy target [01:44] bug 90093 is a duplicate of a bug somebody (seb128 i think) fixed recently, but i can't find the original report to mark it a duplicate of [01:44] Malone bug 90093 in libxcb "GTK apps crashing via drag and drop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90093 [01:45] mooey: it has not been fixed [01:45] mooey: bug #88608 [01:45] Malone bug 88608 in gtk+2.0 "[apport] xchat crashed with SIGABRT in xcb_xlib_lock" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88608 [01:46] thats the one, thanks seb128 [01:46] mooey: np === shenki [n=shenki@ppp99-207.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] mooey: do you mark it dup now? [01:47] seb128, done [01:47] cool [01:50] Mithrandir: could you reject my upload to dapper-backlports? wrong archive :-/ [01:51] doko: which upload? [01:51] Mithrandir: java-gcj-compat [01:51] ohh, it already was auto-rejected === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] doko: ah, ok, good. I got worried since I couldn't find it. [01:55] doko: is there a 'set -x' equivalent for Python? [01:57] pitti: is it ok to promote thunar-volman-plugin now? The binaries have been recovered. [01:58] Mithrandir: yes, it is [01:58] Mithrandir: I'll move the MIR to 'promoted' then [01:58] pitti: I'll do it. [01:59] ah, you locked already === infinity2 is now known as infinity === robertj [n=robertj@66-168-215-105.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gismo_ [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F70192.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Mithrandir: thanks === jack_at_home [n=jack@123.114.78.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm89.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_svolpe [n=Gerrath_@70.89.111.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] seb128: did you happen to permanently install some packages into the retracer chroots? a lot of files are seb128:warthogs 755, so I cannot change them === Leibsle [n=leibsle@unaffiliated/leibsle] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] pitti: no, I just used retrace-i386 [02:31] pitti: I did ctrl-C one run though [02:31] seb128: ok, thanks; then there's another place that clobbers the umask [02:31] pitti: do you want me to fix those files? [02:32] seb128: well, either that (chmod -R g+w) or I just trash the entire chroot and rebuild it [02:33] seb128: I just don't understand why the files are there in the first place -- these packages are supposed to be unpacked and purged afterwards [02:33] pitti: as said before " pitti: I did ctrl-C one run though" [02:33] aah [02:33] this explains it [02:33] sorry, didn't see that [02:34] np [02:34] pitti, was the patch attached to bug ever uploaded (i dont know how to check)? i got the same bug when updating asterisk this morning [02:34] maybe I should just switch to tarballs and unpack them; shouldn't take too long [02:34] erk, bug 55374 * [02:34] Malone bug 55374 in asterisk "upgrade issue with configured asterisk" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55374 [02:34] sould I just clean apport-retracer-i386/chroots/feisty/var/cache/apt/archives ? [02:34] mooey: I don't know, I didn't touch asterisk [02:34] seb128: no, please just chmod -R g+w the entire chroot [02:35] pitti, the last comment was by yourself. thanks anyway. [02:35] mooey: oh, I see; let me look; but as I said, I never uploaded asterisk [02:35] pitti: done [02:35] seb128: cheers [02:37] mooey: no, it wasn't uploaded; complain to Fujitsu about wrongly closing the bug [02:37] mooey: please reopen again [02:37] pitti, will do, thanks === pax [n=sirbe@ool-4579df6e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SEVEN-TEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] pitti: it would be great if restricted-manager can AddARGBGLXVisuals too for nvidia cards [02:54] (non-legacy, that is) [02:54] seb128: I know the reason for the 404's during retracing -- I need to setup a cronjob that apt-get update/dist-upgrades the chroots daily [02:54] otherwise 3D effects would not work out of the box. [02:54] pitti: ah ok [02:55] pitti: it's just 'Option "AddARGBFlxVisuals" "True"' in the Screen section of xorg.conf [02:55] jdong: indeed; ubuntu-bug -p restricted-manager ? [02:55] okie :) [02:55] seb128: ok, chroot cleaned from the ^Ced run [02:56] pitti: that is sweet, I didn't know ubuntu-bug existed :D [02:56] pitti: cool, sorry again for the extra work [02:56] seb128: no problem [02:59] seb128: 'k, chroot update cronjobs set up === seb128 hugs pitti === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xst [n=xst@12.24.235.85.dk-vbr.res.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] seb128: voila, bug 88508 retraces nicely now; unfortunately I didn't save the output [03:03] Malone bug 88508 in gnome-utils "System Log Viewer copies the wrong line when filter is applied (dup-of: 47134)" [Low,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88508 [03:03] Malone bug 47134 in gnome-utils "log text copy fails while filter engages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47134 [03:03] seb128: erm, sorry, bug 88058 [03:03] Malone bug 88058 in rhythmbox "[apport] rhythmbox crash in metadata_cb" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88058 [03:04] pitti: no need, I retrace it on my desktop this morning ;) [03:04] pitti: via bug 89916 the -u stops the 2 errors/warnings from apport but i get a non useful Stack. im gonna try in chroot after i update it and report back on bug. Thank you :) [03:04] Malone bug 89916 in apport "[Feisty] apport-retrace fails to retrace bugs." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89916 [03:04] seb128: I think I leave the exception as it is then, since it indicates problems better than just a warning === pirast [n=martin@p508B0CE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] pitti: do you know what lib or program prints the "** (gnome-cups-add:18745): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1028"? [03:05] pitti: ok [03:05] seb128: gnome-cups-icon, I'd say [03:05] pitti: no, I'm trying to add a printer with gnome-cups-manager and it doesn't work, I'm trying to figure on what to put a breakpoint === g0su [n=moxilo@141.30.212.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] I would like to have a look on the URI it gives to cups [03:06] looks like libgnomecups [03:07] gnomefreak: hm, useless stackis usually (a) missing ddeb packages (check the warnings), or (b) outdated package versions (also check the warnings) === Rotund [n=rotund@72-160-242-104.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] pitti: im going to, but for some reason they were working fine for a while than they stopped working so i will fiddle around with it until i can come up with something useful. [03:09] gnomefreak: right, as I said, feisty's package versions might be newer now, so that the libs don't match any more === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] yeah i agree with that but it also seems im missing .so files (assuming they are the -dev packages as normal) [03:10] the .so files in -dev are usually just symlinks [03:10] s/are the/ are in the [03:10] ah === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Riddell: re digikam> is upstream aware that jpeg 2k is patent encumbered and therefore problematic? [03:16] Mithrandir: I expect not === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] Mithrandir: but libjasper is already in main and depended upon by various things [03:19] Riddell: ugh. [03:20] pitti: ^^ ; any thoughts about this? [03:24] Mithrandir: off the top of my head just 'OMG' [03:24] Mithrandir: the question is whether it's an enforced patent or not, really [03:24] pitti: that's a good initial thought. :-) [03:25] Riddell: is it on the Kubuntu CDs? [03:25] heno, dholbach: were the impress template documents updated for feisty? [03:25] pitti: it's on both kubuntu and ubuntu cds, it seems. [03:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG2000 has a section about the legal issues. [03:25] pitti: libmagick and kdelibs seem to rdepend on it so yes [03:26] doko: no [03:26] doko: no, do they need to be? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] heno, dholbach: no, just asking before an OOo upload [03:27] ok [03:27] some gfxboot specialit here ? === mvo [n=egon@p54A65CC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] i don't understand how change the font color in the menu [03:30] Sp4rKy: GFXBOOT-BACKGROUND keyword in isolinux.cfg (and GFXBOOT-FOREGROUND for the highlighted text colour) [03:30] Riddell: libjasper-support is possible to turn off? If so, I don't see a problem with keeping it for now and we'll have to work out the legal implications a bit later (since we're already shipping it..) [03:30] cjwatson: ohhh, great ! [03:30] Sp4rKy: e.g. 'GFXBOOT-BACKGROUND 0xB6875A' for Ubuntu [03:30] Mithrandir: sure, it's just a compile time option [03:31] i'd seen that but i didn't think it is whati'm looking for :) === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] Riddell: ok, thanks [03:31] the naming's not the best, sorry about that === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DC141.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] Mithrandir, pitti, seb128: I will uploads ooo-l10n first, which will land in binary NEW (please keep it there), then upload ooo, which will land in binary NEW (please keep it there until i386, amd64 and powerpc are built) [03:34] doko: ack === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] mvo: I fixed up the dist-upgrader-all stuff by hand (e.g. the current symlink); it'll be in the next archive push [03:36] 12:04 the lack of a current symlink is because the versioning changed - he used an epoch [03:36] 12:04 but the epoch isn't in the directory name because that breaks stuff [03:36] 12:04 so the sorting code in dist_upgrader.py doesn't know where to put the current symlink [03:36] 12:05 TBH I'd be inclined to just remove the dist-upgrader directories that used the old versioning scheme, do a one-time fix of the current symlink, and then it'll work fine from then on [03:36] so I did that [03:37] cjwatson: I suspected that the versioning change caused the trouble. thanks a lot for resolving it! === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] Heya === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] heya bddebian [03:59] Hi Sp4rKy [03:59] so, i've a last issue with casper. in the 14locales file, when i do [03:59] chroot /root /usr/bin/touch foo [03:59] the file foo is created [03:59] but if i do [03:59] chroot /root /bin/echo "abcd" > foo [04:00] nothing is printed in the file foo [04:00] is there some special syntax ? === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.216.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] Sp4rKy: redirecting output happens at the terminal [04:04] Sp4rKy: try: chroot /root "echo 'hello' > foo " === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.7.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] brb === lemsx1 [n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === somerville32 [n=chatzill@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] or chroot /root /bin/echo "abcd" > /root/foo [04:10] Mithrandir: could you move the openoffice.org-l10n build to palmer, if I upload it? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Riddell: there are a bunch of bugs being filed on debconf which seem to be crashes in the KDE frontend - libqt-perl or libsmokeqt1 [04:15] Riddell: I've been reassigning them to libqt-perl so far [04:18] cjwatson: mm, ok === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.9.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B3F8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-62.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] ogra: new dia [04:44] <_ion> https://code.launchpad.net/~ion/+branch/restricted-manager/ion in case anyone's interested. [04:46] gpocentek: new gnumeric/goffice :) [04:47] is http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/ still the source of choice for ddebs? [04:49] siretart: yes === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=hello@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] Dammit, now we've lost Rodrigo there's even less chance that anyone will be able to fix bug 68440 for me. [04:55] Malone bug 68440 in xorg "X does not work in Xen, causes crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68440 === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B3F8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] dholbach: too bad that it doesn't contain ddebs 'old' / superseeded packages :( [04:59] siretart: it's (n+1)G big already [04:59] but yeah, it'd be nice to have - or to have them auto-retraced - where works are underway [05:05] siretart: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/90135 doesn't look like a bug [05:05] Malone bug 90135 in apport "unusable backtraces for xine-lib" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [05:09] siretart: did you install a libxine-extracodecs debug package and retraced on edgy with totem-xine installed? [05:09] siretart: [05:09] #0 0xb16a41b5 in ifilter_bank () from /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.2/xineplug_decode_faad.so [05:09] No symbol table info available. [05:09] #1 0x000003ff in ?? () [05:09] [05:10] that's retracing without the debug package for libxine-extracodecs === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] seb128: I think that the xine packaging is just borked, I'd rather like to know how to fix it [05:14] seb128: hm. let's try that in a edgy chroot [05:14] siretart: how borked? [05:14] siretart: non debug packages are useless you mean? [05:14] I pinged you about that some months ago IIRC [05:15] oh, so much time? damn :( [05:15] seb128: do you think it would help if we stop generating the -dbg package? [05:16] oh. some other point: retracing i386 crashes on amd64 doesn't seem to be a too bright idea, no? [05:16] no it's not [05:16] you need to retrace on the same arch with the same package versions [05:16] if you try on an another arch gdb should complain about the dump format [05:16] hm. apport should at least warn on that [05:16] at least, it would be nice [05:17] apport feisty got a lot of love, it probably does already ;) [05:17] this was on feisty :/ [05:18] open a wishlist then, pitti is amazingly fast to fix bugs ;) === Rotund [n=rotund@72-160-242-104.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x503e778e.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] heno: do you know why a wiki change mail (DebuggingMemoryLeaks) was sent to ubuntu-bugsquad@lists.ubuntu.com? === sacater [n=sacater@host81-154-194-192.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] dholbach: no, was it meant to go elsewhere? Has someone signed up as a wiki user with that email and subscribed to the page? [05:23] I guess you've noticed that I'm refactoring a bunch of pages :) [05:23] heno: yes I did :-)))) [05:23] heno: no idea about why the list got that mail - I'll reject it from the queue [05:23] as you seem to have subscribed to the entire wiki ... [05:30] cjwatson, fabbione: the sched_setaffinity stuff seems to work on sparc, currenly no ildc hang on faure with the smp kernel [05:36]