| LaserJock | looks pretty good to me | 12:19 |
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| LaserJock | but I'm not sure if that doc is really being worked on much anymore | 12:19 |
| gabe_ | ah | 12:19 |
| gabe_ | could you suggest where my time might be better spent? | 12:19 |
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| LaserJock | gabe_: the stuff in the ubuntu/ and kubuntu/ directories | 12:26 |
| gabe_ | ah ok | 12:26 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3915 kubuntu/system-settings/C/system-settings.xml: system-settings complete - ready for review | 04:41 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 04:42 |
| nixternal | config-desktop is it, and create a single point of access to kubuntu system docs for KHelpCenter and I am done! | 04:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | nice, those the ones i helped on? | 04:42 |
| nixternal | jes | 04:43 |
| Admiral_Chicago | rocking | 04:43 |
| nixternal | Admiral_Chicago: look | 04:49 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3916 common/C/contributors.xml: adding Freddy Martinez to the list of contributors for helping me with Kubuntu docs | 04:49 |
| nixternal | :) | 04:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | haha, thanks | 04:49 |
| nixternal | OK, one more section to complete and then some KHelpCenter trickery and Kubuntu docs for Feisty will be ready for review and in 3 days xml2po translation love!!!!! | 04:50 |
| jjesse | yeah for nixternal | 04:50 |
| jjesse | cheer | 04:50 |
| nixternal | where is my check? | 04:50 |
| nixternal | :) | 04:50 |
| jjesse | comming soon :0 | 04:50 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 04:51 |
| nixternal | maybe I can buy a soda with it | 04:51 |
| nixternal | I just want an Ubuntu or Kubuntu shirt that fits | 04:51 |
| jjesse | you should | 04:53 |
| jjesse | get one for free | 04:53 |
| jjesse | i wish this book didn't take so much friggen work | 04:53 |
| nixternal | I just paid $50 for a t-shirt and polo that are embroidered, beautiful, but they don't fit | 04:53 |
| jjesse | d'oh you should get your money back | 04:53 |
| nixternal | so I will give them away to the guys in the LoCo | 04:53 |
| jjesse | man the internet is so slow here :( | 04:53 |
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| nixternal | I got them from Juliux (Germany) | 04:53 |
| Admiral_Chicago | which reminds me, i still don't know what we are doing about UWN | 04:54 |
| tonyyarusso | nixternal: what size? | 04:55 |
| nixternal | they are supposed to be XXL, but umm, they are closer to L | 04:55 |
| tonyyarusso | heh, WAY out of my range | 04:55 |
| nixternal | Germans don't know size I guess :) | 04:56 |
| nixternal | I am 6'3" 230+, so XXL is a tough one due to my height | 04:56 |
| Admiral_Chicago | nixternal: you're 6'3" | 04:57 |
| Admiral_Chicago | ? | 04:57 |
| nixternal | ya | 04:57 |
| nixternal | you forgot already? | 04:57 |
| Admiral_Chicago | no, i don't remeber you being that tall. | 04:57 |
| nixternal | 6'3", 230+, size 12 boot fo yo a#@# | 04:57 |
| nixternal | ya, RJ has me by like an inch or 2 | 04:57 |
| nixternal | damn kids | 04:57 |
| Admiral_Chicago | yea hes a tall one for no good reason | 04:58 |
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| nixternal | tonyyarusso: these shirts would be a perfect size | 04:58 |
| nixternal | they aren't huge | 04:58 |
| nixternal | hell, I think you are bigger than Admiral_Chicago | 04:59 |
| nixternal | but my guys are gonna get them first | 04:59 |
| Admiral_Chicago | nah, i'm a good 5' 9" | 04:59 |
| nixternal | I think these shirts will only fit Admiral_Chicago and his brother | 04:59 |
| nixternal | I can't think of anyone in my LUG that could wear um | 04:59 |
| Admiral_Chicago | dude my brother is *much* taller than me :) | 04:59 |
| nixternal | hahaha, you lie | 05:00 |
| Admiral_Chicago | why yes i do | 05:02 |
| tonyyarusso | nixternal: I usually wear a medium in polos | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: I have a similar issue | 05:32 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3917 kubuntu/ (config-desktop/C/config-desktop.xml libs/kde-menus-C.ent): config-desktop ready for review - added new menu | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | go nixternal go! | 06:26 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:27 |
| nixternal | I think I am going to bring over the Ubuntu advanced topics and change them around for Kubuntu as well | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | is it known that we aren't shipping nvidia or ati stuff? | 06:31 |
| crimsun | it has been made clear on various mailing lists iirc | 06:31 |
| crimsun | some exchange between mdz and pitti, at least | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | the general Linux-using public is probably still confused, but so be it. | 06:32 |
| crimsun | and I presume by "shipping" you meant "enabling by default" | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | no, no. | 06:32 |
| tonyyarusso | Hey, I heard from Digg, so it's somewhat known | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | I mean we have no documentation for it | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | we used to | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | but we don't now | 06:32 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I removed the documentation from Kubuntu docs for 2 reasons. 1) we don't support it, and 2) I don't care what you put in there for a tutorial on getting it to work, it is going to destroy someones setup | 06:33 |
| nixternal | I just refer them to a few links and let them know to read and read again before carrying through | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | we don't support nvidia and ATI? | 06:34 |
| nixternal | not the binary blobs | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | that seems crazy | 06:34 |
| nixternal | there is no way for us to troubleshoot it or debug it w/o the source | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | that's always been the case | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | but that doesn't mean you can document it | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | *can't | 06:35 |
| nixternal | well, if we document it, we have to make sure it works for everybody | 06:36 |
| crimsun | it would be fairly ... strange to ship such documentation requiring a gui "help browser" | 06:36 |
| nixternal | the Ubuntu documentation for Dapper, the NVidia and the ATI procedure didn't work for me as with Kubuntu | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | so we ignore it? | 06:36 |
| crimsun | since well, if you can't _get_ a gui (X.Org) running without said drivers running... | 06:36 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I didn't ignore it, I let the user know of locations they can research properly installing for their "card" | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | I use nv until I get nvidia installed | 06:36 |
| nixternal | with NVidia, all of the instructions for GF4 MX420/440 does not work | 06:37 |
| nixternal | I can only use the nv driver for my card | 06:37 |
| crimsun | 'nv' may work for some subset of chips; 'ati' simply will not work for many X* chips | 06:37 |
| nixternal | if you use the install directions we had, the user would be stairing at a black screen with a cursor in the top left corner blinking at them | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | fine, I really don't care what works on what | 06:37 |
| nixternal | heh | 06:37 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I had killer documentation for ATI and NVidia just the other day | 06:38 |
| crimsun | I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, then, Jordan. | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I just think that if a user does a search for nvidia or ATI in yelp they should get *something* | 06:38 |
| nixternal | but after telling users in #kubuntu to try it, hell I had more issues than you can shake a stick at | 06:38 |
| crimsun | if you don't care what works on what, what's the point? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | brb | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | that there should be *something* | 06:38 |
| nixternal | ahh, LaserJock in Kubuntu they will get something :) | 06:38 |
| nixternal | whew, I am good then ;p | 06:38 |
| crimsun | how can users use yelp if they can't even get to a gui? | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | many can | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | I've never had a problem with that | 06:39 |
| nixternal | even people who have Intel and Matrox cards get information in my docs :) | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | and I'm sure I"m not alone | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | I've even used vesa before to learn how to get nvidia installed | 06:39 |
| crimsun | sure, but what about people for whom vesa fails? and I mean _utterly_. | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | then they are screwed no matter what I guess | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | but *not* putting docs won't help theme either | 06:40 |
| crimsun | There's an ATI X600 sitting in my folks' PC that fits that precise use case. | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | then the doc isn't for them | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | so we don't want to help *anybody* because we can't help *everybody* | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | ? | 06:41 |
| crimsun | I don't think that's the argument | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm just saying for those people who are using radeon, vesa, or nv to get up and running | 06:41 |
| crimsun | I think the way to proceed to ask the installer guru if the aforementioned hook with accompanying text will be available in feisty | 06:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | shouldn't Bug 80390 be marked as Fix Released | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80390 in ubuntu-docs "Feisty's default Firefox homepage still reports Edgy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390 | 06:42 |
| crimsun | is to ask ^ | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: that would make sense, yes | 06:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | I just got 7.04 on my fresh profile | 06:42 |
| crimsun | Admiral_Chicago: marked FR. | 06:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | oh wait, I'm dyslexic... | 06:43 |
| Admiral_Chicago | damn | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess maybe I'm just not thinking right :( | 06:43 |
| Admiral_Chicago | wait, no. thanks crimsun | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | it just seems like a regression to me | 06:44 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i *am* dyslexic | 06:44 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: it _is_ a regression, yes. No one's debating that stance. | 06:44 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock, I noticed in the help wiki that the instructions for getting 3d support in Edgy w/ an ATI card are far more complex than the equivalent Breezy or Dapper info... | 06:46 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3918 kubuntu/ (hardware/C/hardware.xml libs/kde-menus-C.ent): added partition and booting info to hardware.xml harddrives section - ready for review - added new menu | 07:35 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3919 kubuntu/ (index.xml tmplibs/): removing doc.ubuntu.com index stuff and tmplibs dir - preparing to incorporate a KHelpCenter front page | 07:38 |
| Madpilot | spambot ;) | 07:39 |
| nixternal | whew | 07:59 |
| nixternal | proofreading time, a whole 2 days | 07:59 |
| nixternal | if something got left out, oh well, feisty+1 | 07:59 |
| === nixternal beds | ||
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| mdke | morning | 08:55 |
| nixternal | morning :) | 08:58 |
| mdke | hiya nixternal | 08:59 |
| mdke | how's it going? | 08:59 |
| nixternal | one eye open, fixing some Konqueror docs for KDE, trying to get the energy to crawl into bed | 09:01 |
| nixternal | how's it going with you? | 09:01 |
| mdke | :) | 09:02 |
| mdke | good thanks | 09:02 |
| mdke | been mega busy moving house and at work | 09:02 |
| nixternal | ahh, I was wondering where you had been hiding | 09:04 |
| mdke | no internet yet | 09:06 |
| mdke | except for my neighbour's | 09:06 |
| nixternal | ouch, can't wait for that I bet | 09:07 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:08 |
| mdke | good job taking care of kubuntu-docs :) | 09:08 |
| nixternal | Thanks. Time for some proofing, and then in 2 days generate the po's for translations | 09:09 |
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| nixternal | oh well, bed time. g'nite | 09:18 |
| poningru | nn | 09:19 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3920 kubuntu/newtokubuntu/C/newtokubuntu.xml: spelling error | 09:25 |
| nixternal | OK, now I can goto bed :) | 09:25 |
| mdke | night | 09:31 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3921 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Restructure music section for readibility | 09:32 |
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| crimsun | mgalvin: never heard if -9.16 resolved your inaudible sound. If not, this next one should (just pushed a gigantenormous patch to BenC) | 11:36 |
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| somerville32 | Where is mdke at? | 03:42 |
| nixternal | he is probably at work | 03:58 |
| nixternal | I believe he has a new job, plus he has been moving as well | 03:58 |
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| kdefreak | Any blank spots that need to be filled in? | 04:56 |
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| fijam | hello | 06:31 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3922 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Change title of updating section to make the word update more prominent | 09:26 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | okay, proofing stuff now richard | 10:31 |
| Admiral_Chicago | theres quite a bit of stuff to download | 10:39 |
| Admiral_Chicago | anyone know how to list the number of installeable packages | 10:56 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i know its close more than 1800 | 10:56 |
| Admiral_Chicago | wait, synaptic. | 10:56 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3923 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 11:26 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * changes in build of Switching to Windows, for easier inclusion on | 11:26 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: winfoss section of livecd | 11:26 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * not draft anymore | 11:26 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * updated header image for html | 11:26 |
| Admiral_Chicago | nixternal: check your email. sent some edits your way. do what you will with them | 11:33 |
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