[12:19] <LaserJock> looks pretty good to me
[12:19] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if that doc is really being worked on much anymore
[12:19] <gabe_> ah
[12:19] <gabe_> could you suggest where my time might be better spent?
[12:26] <LaserJock> gabe_: the stuff in the ubuntu/ and kubuntu/ directories
[12:26] <gabe_> ah ok
[04:41] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3915 kubuntu/system-settings/C/system-settings.xml: system-settings complete - ready for review
[04:42] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:42] <nixternal> config-desktop is it, and create a single point of access to kubuntu system docs for KHelpCenter and I am done!
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> nice, those the ones i helped on?
[04:43] <nixternal> jes
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> rocking
[04:49] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: look
[04:49] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3916 common/C/contributors.xml: adding Freddy Martinez to the list of contributors for helping me with Kubuntu docs
[04:49] <nixternal> :)
[04:49] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, thanks
[04:50] <nixternal> OK, one more section to complete and then some KHelpCenter trickery and Kubuntu docs for Feisty will be ready for review and in 3 days xml2po translation love!!!!!
[04:50] <jjesse> yeah for nixternal
[04:50] <jjesse> cheer
[04:50] <nixternal> where is my check?
[04:50] <nixternal> :)
[04:50] <jjesse> comming soon :0
[04:51] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:51] <nixternal> maybe I can buy a soda with it
[04:51] <nixternal> I just want an Ubuntu or Kubuntu shirt that fits
[04:53] <jjesse> you should
[04:53] <jjesse> get one for free
[04:53] <jjesse> i wish this book didn't take so much friggen work
[04:53] <nixternal> I just paid $50 for a t-shirt and polo that are embroidered, beautiful, but they don't fit
[04:53] <jjesse> d'oh you should get your money back
[04:53] <nixternal> so I will give them away to the guys in the LoCo
[04:53] <jjesse> man the internet is so slow here :(
[04:53] <nixternal> I got them from Juliux (Germany)
[04:54] <Admiral_Chicago> which reminds me, i still don't know what we are doing about UWN
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: what size?
[04:55] <nixternal> they are supposed to be XXL, but umm, they are closer to L
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> heh, WAY out of my range
[04:56] <nixternal> Germans don't know size I guess :)
[04:56] <nixternal> I am 6'3" 230+, so XXL is a tough one due to my height
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: you're 6'3"
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> ?
[04:57] <nixternal> ya
[04:57] <nixternal> you forgot already?
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i don't remeber you being that tall.
[04:57] <nixternal> 6'3", 230+, size 12 boot fo yo a#@#
[04:57] <nixternal> ya, RJ has me by like an inch or 2
[04:57] <nixternal> damn kids
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> yea hes a tall one for no good reason
[04:58] <nixternal> tonyyarusso: these shirts would be a perfect size
[04:58] <nixternal> they aren't huge
[04:59] <nixternal> hell, I think you are bigger than Admiral_Chicago
[04:59] <nixternal> but my guys are gonna get them first
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> nah, i'm a good 5' 9"
[04:59] <nixternal> I think these shirts will only fit Admiral_Chicago and his brother
[04:59] <nixternal> I can't think of anyone in my LUG that could wear um
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> dude my brother is *much* taller than me :)
[05:00] <nixternal> hahaha, you lie
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> why yes i do
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: I usually wear a medium in polos
[05:32] <LaserJock> nixternal: I have a similar issue
[06:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3917 kubuntu/ (config-desktop/C/config-desktop.xml libs/kde-menus-C.ent): config-desktop ready for review - added new menu
[06:26] <LaserJock> go nixternal go!
[06:27] <nixternal> hehe
[06:27] <nixternal> I think I am going to bring over the Ubuntu advanced topics and change them around for Kubuntu as well
[06:31] <LaserJock> is it known that we aren't shipping nvidia or ati stuff?
[06:31] <crimsun> it has been made clear on various mailing lists iirc
[06:31] <crimsun> some exchange between mdz and pitti, at least
[06:32] <Madpilot> the general Linux-using public is probably still confused, but so be it.
[06:32] <crimsun> and I presume by "shipping" you meant "enabling by default"
[06:32] <LaserJock> no, no.
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> Hey, I heard from Digg, so it's somewhat known
[06:32] <LaserJock> I mean we have no documentation for it
[06:32] <LaserJock> we used to
[06:32] <LaserJock> but we don't now
[06:33] <nixternal> LaserJock: I removed the documentation from Kubuntu docs for 2 reasons. 1) we don't support it, and 2) I don't care what you put in there for a tutorial on getting it to work, it is going to destroy someones setup
[06:34] <nixternal> I just refer them to a few links and let them know to read and read again before carrying through
[06:34] <LaserJock> we don't support nvidia and ATI?
[06:34] <nixternal> not the binary blobs
[06:34] <LaserJock> that seems crazy
[06:35] <nixternal> there is no way for us to troubleshoot it or debug it w/o the source
[06:35] <LaserJock> that's always been the case
[06:35] <LaserJock> but that doesn't mean you can document it
[06:35] <LaserJock> *can't
[06:36] <nixternal> well, if we document it, we have to make sure it works for everybody
[06:36] <crimsun> it would be fairly ... strange to ship such documentation requiring a gui "help browser"
[06:36] <nixternal> the Ubuntu documentation for Dapper, the NVidia and the ATI procedure didn't work for me as with Kubuntu
[06:36] <LaserJock> so we ignore it?
[06:36] <crimsun> since well, if you can't _get_ a gui (X.Org) running without said drivers running...
[06:36] <nixternal> LaserJock: I didn't ignore it, I let the user know of locations they can research properly installing for their "card"
[06:36] <LaserJock> I use nv until I get nvidia installed
[06:37] <nixternal> with NVidia, all of the instructions for GF4 MX420/440 does not work
[06:37] <nixternal> I can only use the nv driver for my card
[06:37] <crimsun> 'nv' may work for some subset of chips; 'ati' simply will not work for many X* chips
[06:37] <nixternal> if you use the install directions we had, the user would be stairing at a black screen with a cursor in the top left corner blinking at them
[06:37] <LaserJock> fine, I really don't care what works on what
[06:37] <nixternal> heh
[06:38] <nixternal> LaserJock: I had killer documentation for ATI and NVidia just the other day
[06:38] <crimsun> I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, then, Jordan.
[06:38] <LaserJock> I just think that if a user does a search for nvidia or ATI in yelp they should get *something*
[06:38] <nixternal> but after telling users in #kubuntu to try it, hell I had more issues than you can shake a stick at
[06:38] <crimsun> if you don't care what works on what, what's the point?
[06:38] <nixternal> brb
[06:38] <LaserJock> that there should be *something*
[06:38] <nixternal> ahh, LaserJock in Kubuntu they will get something :)
[06:38] <nixternal> whew, I am good then ;p
[06:38] <crimsun> how can users use yelp if they can't even get to a gui?
[06:39] <LaserJock> many can
[06:39] <LaserJock> I've never had a problem with that
[06:39] <nixternal> even people who have Intel and Matrox cards get information in my docs :)
[06:39] <LaserJock> and I'm sure I"m not alone
[06:39] <LaserJock> I've even used vesa before to learn how to get nvidia installed
[06:39] <crimsun> sure, but what about people for whom vesa fails? and I mean _utterly_.
[06:40] <LaserJock> then they are screwed no matter what I guess
[06:40] <LaserJock> but *not* putting docs won't help theme either
[06:40] <crimsun> There's an ATI X600 sitting in my folks' PC that fits that precise use case.
[06:40] <LaserJock> then the doc isn't for them
[06:41] <LaserJock> so we don't want to help *anybody* because we can't help *everybody*
[06:41] <LaserJock> ?
[06:41] <crimsun> I don't think that's the argument
[06:41] <LaserJock> well, I'm just saying for those people who are using radeon, vesa, or nv to get up and running
[06:41] <crimsun> I think the way to proceed to ask the installer guru if the aforementioned hook with accompanying text will be available in feisty
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> shouldn't Bug 80390 be marked as Fix Released
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80390 in ubuntu-docs "Feisty's default Firefox homepage still reports Edgy" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390
[06:42] <crimsun> is to ask ^
[06:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: that would make sense, yes
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> I just got 7.04 on my fresh profile
[06:42] <crimsun> Admiral_Chicago: marked FR.
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> oh wait, I'm dyslexic...
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> damn
[06:43] <LaserJock> well, I guess maybe I'm just not thinking right :(
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, no. thanks crimsun
[06:44] <LaserJock> it just seems like a regression to me
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i *am* dyslexic
[06:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: it _is_ a regression, yes. No one's debating that stance.
[06:46] <Madpilot> LaserJock, I noticed in the help wiki that the instructions for getting 3d support in Edgy w/ an ATI card are far more complex than the equivalent Breezy or Dapper info...
[07:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3918 kubuntu/ (hardware/C/hardware.xml libs/kde-menus-C.ent): added partition and booting info to hardware.xml harddrives section - ready for review - added new menu
[07:38] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3919 kubuntu/ (index.xml tmplibs/): removing doc.ubuntu.com index stuff and tmplibs dir - preparing to incorporate a KHelpCenter front page
[07:39] <Madpilot> spambot ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> whew
[07:59] <nixternal> proofreading time, a whole 2 days
[07:59] <nixternal> if something got left out, oh well, feisty+1
[08:55] <mdke> morning
[08:58] <nixternal> morning :)
[08:59] <mdke> hiya nixternal
[08:59] <mdke> how's it going?
[09:01] <nixternal> one eye open, fixing some Konqueror docs for KDE, trying to get the energy to crawl into bed
[09:01] <nixternal> how's it going with you?
[09:02] <mdke> :)
[09:02] <mdke> good thanks
[09:02] <mdke> been mega busy moving house and at work
[09:04] <nixternal> ahh, I was wondering where you had been hiding
[09:06] <mdke> no internet yet
[09:06] <mdke> except for my neighbour's
[09:07] <nixternal> ouch, can't wait for that I bet
[09:08] <mdke> yeah
[09:08] <mdke> good job taking care of kubuntu-docs :)
[09:09] <nixternal> Thanks. Time for some proofing, and then in 2 days generate the po's for translations
[09:18] <nixternal> oh well, bed time. g'nite
[09:19] <poningru> nn
[09:25] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3920 kubuntu/newtokubuntu/C/newtokubuntu.xml: spelling error
[09:25] <nixternal> OK, now I can goto bed :)
[09:31] <mdke> night
[09:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3921 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Restructure music section for readibility
[11:36] <crimsun> mgalvin: never heard if -9.16 resolved your inaudible sound. If not, this next one should (just pushed a gigantenormous patch to BenC)
[03:42] <somerville32> Where is mdke at?
[03:58] <nixternal> he is probably at work
[03:58] <nixternal> I believe he has a new job, plus he has been moving as well
[04:56] <kdefreak> Any blank spots that need to be filled in?
[06:31] <fijam> hello
[09:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3922 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Change title of updating section to make the word update more prominent
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, proofing stuff now richard
[10:39] <Admiral_Chicago> theres quite a bit of stuff to download
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how to list the number of installeable packages
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i know its close more than 1800
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, synaptic.
[11:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3923 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[11:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * changes in build of Switching to Windows, for easier inclusion on
[11:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: winfoss section of livecd
[11:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * not draft anymore
[11:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * updated header image for html
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: check your email. sent some edits your way. do what you will with them