[12:20] <crimsun> Kazz: please use https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addticket instead.
[12:21] <mjg59> crimsun: Have you had a chance to look at the Macbook patch?
[12:21] <crimsun> mjg59: I just stepped off a plane, so no, but I've merged about 99% of the patch_realtek/sigmatel fixes. I'll look at it right now.
[12:21] <mjg59> crimsun: Heh, no problem
[12:21] <mjg59> crimsun: Thanks!
[12:22] <mjg59> crimsun: Other than the wireless, it's pretty much the last thing on the todo list for that hardware
[12:22] <crimsun> great
[12:25] <Kazz> crimsun: Alright, thanks.  I'm gonna' try installing the 32 bit version of Ubuntu first, and I'll keep trying to figure out where the problem is.  If I still think it's in the kernel, I'll try that. :)
[11:58] <varkatope_> hi
[01:26] <mgalvin> crimsun: gigantenormous you say? supertasticful!
[01:26] <mgalvin> crimsun: -9.16 did not fix the sound problem but i will be sure to try out the latest kernel as soon as it is ready
[01:27] <mgalvin> crimsun: on the MBP that is
[02:26] <zul> crap its freaking cold
[02:36] <zul> feels like -40C with the windchill
[02:50] <kylem> ... yeah.
[02:52] <zul> thank god I had the car today
[04:54] <kylem> cjwatson, are we able to get the country choice out of ubiquity/d-i in the installed system somehow?
[05:02] <cjwatson> kylem: best to look at the locale
[08:16] <kylem> cjwatson, darn. that doesn't really strike me as an effective way of determining it.
[08:18] <mjg59> kylem: We actually want this information for modems as well
[08:18] <kylem> perhaps we could store it somewhere?
[08:19] <mjg59> Having it stored centrally would make sense
[08:19] <mjg59> Then have scripts parse it
[08:19] <mjg59> Makes it easier to deal with moving countries
[08:20] <mjg59> Though ISTR that there's a spec for APs to tell cards what region they're in
[08:21] <cjwatson> locale as in /etc/default/locale - it's not *that* hard to parse
[08:21] <cjwatson> I could dump it somewhere else butt you'd still have to deal with (a) upgrades and (b) people moving and forgetting to change it
[08:21] <cjwatson> s/butt/but/
[08:21] <kylem> uhm.
[08:22] <kylem> how is what language someone speaks a good indication of where in the world they are?
[08:22] <kylem> or am i missing something really obvious...
[08:22] <kylem> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/90094
[08:24] <kylem> perhaps network-manager should be extended, dunno.
[08:24] <kylem> it's really moronic for this to be a module option instead of a WEXT.
[08:27] <cjwatson> kylem: because the installer gives them a map of the world and tells them to select a place on it and then uses that to construct the locale?
[08:27] <cjwatson> (in ADDITION to their language)
[08:28] <cjwatson> ok, there's crap like pt_PT vs. pt_BR. How about their timezone instead?
[08:28] <cjwatson> you'd have to map it to country but it's not too painful as long as people use the city zones (the installer does) rather than the generic ones like EST
[08:28] <cjwatson> that's about all I can offer you
[08:32] <kylem> hrm.
[08:41] <mjg59> cjwatson: How about just dumping the point they clicked on somewhere?
[08:42] <mjg59> cjwatson: We need a separate file containing it, in any case - in theory it's something that people need to change when they move the machine between countries
[08:45] <kylem> mjg59, i think this is slightly more involved than i initially thought.
[08:45] <lfittl> does anybody have an idea why lvm persistent major device numbers are ignored?
[11:17] <varkatope> hi
[11:43] <mgalvin> for future reference how does one capture a kernel oops to a file (or which file is the log stored in)? ...so i don't have to take screen shots like a fool :-/
[11:44] <mjg59> mgalvin: If they've crashed the machine, they won't be in a file
[11:47] <mgalvin> mjg59: in my case it does crash the machine
[11:47] <Lure> mgalvin: dmesg > file ?
[11:48] <mgalvin> ah, easy enough great thanks
[11:49] <mgalvin> it was the rtl8180 oops which is hopefully fixed now... but good to know, thanks again
[11:49] <mjg59> No, not fixed yet
[11:49] <mjg59> But extra dumps probably don't help
[11:53] <cjwatson> mjg59: the point they clicked on is adequately represented by the city as encoded in the timezone; I don't think that any finer resolution is useful.
[11:53] <cjwatson> mjg59: also there exists reasonably well-presented UI to edit one's timezone which is a fairly natural thing to bother changing when you move countries, at least assuming you move timezones as well
[11:53] <mgalvin> mjg59: well the commit message indicated it would at least not crash the machine (although wireless still does not work)... so this would at least give me a bootable system correct?
[11:54] <mgalvin> i don't use the wireless as this is my desktop machine with the issue
[11:54] <cjwatson> people won't bother changing things they don't have an incentive to change; "desktop clock wrong" is reasonable incentive
[11:54] <mgalvin> so not a big deal (for me at least) past that point
[11:55] <mjg59> cjwatson: Ok, that's probably fair, yes
[11:56] <mjg59> It also means we already have a UI for that