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yuriymanchicken: a day for people to triage because everybody else is doing it. and you have the special right to solicit hugs from people when you fix bugs12:22
yuriyif you happen to close one, i recommend not telling jdong_ ;)12:23
jdong_I would like..... <insert X-rated action here>.... people who fix my bugs12:23
jdong_but out of love.12:23
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puslingtoma: here I am.12:24
yuriyif your gf closes a bug, you probably shouldn't tell jdong_ either12:24
jdong_Actually I only go for developers with upload rights12:25
puslinganyone been in contact with the author of the polyester windeco ?12:25
jdong_ha. Upload rights. innuendo 2 for jdong12:25
tomaRiddell: who tuned the sylvester theme?12:25
manchickenyuriy: I like hugs.12:26
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ryanakcahmm... guess we're getting kolab 12:32
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Riddellkwwii: checkout and commit12:47
Riddellkwwii: don't branch12:47
kwwiiRiddell: so can I simply change the last stuff I pushed and then commit?12:47
kwwiior do I need to checkout extra?12:47
Riddellkwwii: sure12:47
Riddelldo a bzr update12:48
kwwiiRiddell: ok, done12:48
kwwiican you check the changes?12:48
kwwiiit should be two pixmaps and a .c file for the usplash12:49
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Riddellkwwii: it hasn't appeared, you must have a branch rather than a checkout, do a bzr push12:54
kwwiiRiddell: should I do a dch -i first?12:55
Riddellkwwii: if you haven't already added a changelog entry yes12:55
ryanakcaRiddell: amarok: http://packages.ryanak.ca/dists/ryan-feisty/kde/12:57
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kwwiiRiddell: cool, doing so now...next time I will simply checkout the repo and then commit12:57
kwwiierm, error...I'll checkout a new version and make my changes12:57
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kwwiiRiddell: what did I mess up with the changelogs last time?01:04
Riddellkwwii: nothing, the bzr archive was out of sync with the .deb archive01:05
Riddellryanakca: -0ubuntu2 is an old version, feisty is currently on -0ubuntu501:06
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Riddella debdiff is fine01:06
kwwiiRiddell: commit done01:08
puslingRiddell: is feisty frozen ?01:08
Riddellpusling: for new upstreams it's quite icey01:09
puslingokay. else I would have said: please sync kde-style-polyester from experimental01:09
kwwiipusling: good reason to do so?01:10
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puslingkwwii: if frozen, no.  else it is a bump from 1.0~beta1 to 1.0 stable (unless someone have been updating out of sync with debian)01:11
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Riddellwe currently have 1.0-0ubuntu101:11
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puslingokay then someone might have been syncing in stuff.01:11
puslingRiddell: does it build-depend on inkscape ?01:12
Riddellso it's up to date, and we'll sync back when feisty+1 opens01:12
Riddellpusling: not as far as I know01:12
kwwiilol, if it did we would have much less problems with oxygen01:12
RiddellI suspect I'd have noticied if it did01:12
puslingif ppc is a ubuntu arch, I would consider you looking at my changes.01:12
nixternalRiddell: did you get a chance to look at the kubuntu-docs package (debdiff) for Edgy?01:13
Hobbseeheya pusling!01:13
ryanakcaRiddell: Is Adeodato Sim a kubuntu/ubuntu dev? or a Debian one?01:13
nixternalhola people!01:14
puslingryanakca: debian. (but currently vacating)01:14
puslinghey Hobbsee01:14
nixternalI love how Kontact freezes for about a minute while downloading my email01:14
nixternalit is so cool01:14
Hobbseegah, silly work.  if you need to call me back in 5 mins to tell me when my shift is, and it ends up being in 15 min, then i'm going to be late!01:14
ryanakcathen should I update the Maintainer field of amarok's control? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html01:15
ryanakcaHobbsee: lol01:15
Riddellpusling: added to my todo, thanks01:15
ryanakcaHobbsee: have fun01:15
kwwiiHobbsee: have fun at work01:15
Riddellryanakca: yes01:15
kwwiiget going or you'll be even later01:15
Riddellnixternal: looking01:16
puslingryanakca: it is still dato who is doing amarok, he is having a temporary vacation replacement, but he is expected back sometime in the future.01:16
puslingryanakca: in debian.01:16
Hobbseeryanakca: hehe, yep.01:16
kwwiiRiddell: at least launchpad shows my changes, so I guess it will not mess anything up :p01:16
Hobbseeryanakca: my work really isnt very smart, sometimes01:16
Hobbseeyay, work's not for another hour adn 15 mins :)01:16
ryanakcapusling: kk, *points to the link*... We aren't supposed to have debian maintainers in our maintainer fields anymore...01:17
puslingryanakca: nope. and that is nice.01:17
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ryanakcaHobbsee: yeah, as long as it has ubuntu in it01:18
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puslingHobbsee: if you are bored, you can prepare a new upstream version of serenity for me - and relibtoolize it as well ;)01:19
Hobbseepusling: i'm not that bored.  i'm actually about to go search for some form of food - both now and for dinner01:20
Riddellpusling: did you look at KDE 4 packages by the way?01:20
puslingRiddell: not that much yet.  I am still figuring out what to do with cmake and all the weird -DFOOBAR01:21
puslingbut I got libs building01:21
ryanakcaRiddell: http://pastebin.ca/38433701:22
ryanakcaRiddell: wait, you probably want this version: http://pastebin.ca/raw/38433701:23
Riddellryanakca: could you put it not on a pastebin?  they always seem to change the line endings to windows style01:23
nixternalroger, I am gonna eat, bbiab01:24
ryanakcaRiddell: the raw version is plaintext, but, sure, I'll stick it on my webserver01:24
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ryanakcaRiddell: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff01:25
Riddellnope, it definately has windows line endings01:25
Hobbseeryanakca: rafb.net/paste is fine, iirc01:25
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Riddellryanakca: your install-mp3 script still enables universe, but libxine1-ffmpeg is in main01:26
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Riddellso the whole enabling repositories stuff can go01:27
Hobbseeryanakca: did you fix https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58617 too?01:27
UbugtuMalone bug 58617 in amarok "Saying no to MP3 support on fresh install says that Amarok is now ready to support MP3" [Undecided,Confirmed] 01:27
ryanakcaHobbsee: don't think os01:27
kwwiiso once the new usplash stuff is in place, let me know how it looks - I think the progress bar is kinda different to what was in edgy (and/or anywhere else)01:29
Riddellnixternal: after applying your patch and compiling the package only has docs for en and C01:29
Riddellkwwii: I uploaded it if I didn't already say so01:30
Riddellright, all pending requests sorted, I can go to bed again :)01:30
kwwiiRiddell: excellent, thanks01:30
kwwiisee you tomorrow01:31
kwwiitime for bed here too01:31
ryanakcanight kwwii, Riddell01:35
kwwiinight ryanakca01:35
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Riddellah, freeflying01:44
Riddellfreeflying: did you get my e-mail?01:44
ryanakcaRiddell: for the morning or afternoon, or whenever you feel like it: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff01:45
freeflyingRiddelll: haven't yet. let me check now01:45
Riddellryanakca: looks nice, but it'll be the morning01:46
Riddellfreeflying: it said please test Qt 3.3.8 to make sure scim is still working01:46
Riddellfreeflying: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-qt/ ./01:47
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Riddellno powerpc packages I'm afraid01:47
ryanakcaRiddell: kk, thanks01:47
ryanakcaHobbsee: you aren't a core dev?01:47
RiddellHobbsee: maybe after UDS01:47
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Hobbseeryanakca: nope, only a MOTU01:47
ryanakcaI've alwais thought you were...01:47
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, it would be.01:47
Hobbseenight Riddell!01:47
freeflyingRiddell: please sync skim from sid, skim lack of some patches and not lintian clean01:48
Riddellfreeflying: added to my TODO01:48
freeflyingRiddell: thx01:49
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ryanakcaSometimes I just want to charge my iPod without mounting it...01:51
ryanakcaIf it gets auto mounted, I have to go threw the hassle of unmounting it in the morning before unplugging it01:51
ryanakcaif you have a sluggish computer... meh 01:51
Hobbseeryanakca: we've got a nasty bug about the unmount dialog gone, which was what i was thinking of01:52
lexualanyone have an opinion on my ML post regarding quicklauncher?01:52
ryanakcafloppies I would auto mount... that would save a bunch of questions/support requests01:52
Hobbseelexual: i've looked, i'm thinking about it01:53
Hobbseenixternal: poke01:53
ryanakca(since people are so used to Windows automounting it, they get to linux and "Why is my floppy drive broken under linux?!?!?")01:53
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puslingwhat's a floppy drive ?01:53
lexualwasn't sure if right step was to open a bug, or start ML discussion.01:53
Hobbseelexual: ML's good01:54
ryanakcapusling: a drive that takes 3" diskettes... if that doesn't help you, Google it :D01:54
Hobbseelexual: seeing as everyone's on it01:54
Hobbseelexual: might be worth having nixternal put it into the release notes as a new feature.01:54
puslingryanakca: oh. antiques ;)01:56
Hobbseeryanakca: ancient things.  neither of my past 2 computers have them.01:57
ryanakcapusling: yeah... I coulndn't find any new computers that had one the other day when shopping for my new one01:57
ryanakcapusling: I wonder if I can somehow get chessmaster 2000 of one of those real floppy floppies...01:57
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ryanakcaHobbsee: I use them... backup my ~/.gnupg and stick it in firesafe... and for taking stuff to school... (people have fun breaking the usb ports on the back of the computers..)01:58
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Hobbseeryanakca: ah yes,  i need to do that.01:59
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manchickenLater folks.02:00
ryanakcanight manchicken02:00
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freeflyingRiddell: scim and skim can work, only using xim02:30
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freeflyingRiddell: but not very stable02:35
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jjessei'm thinking about taking the plunge and upgrading to fiesty :)02:46
jjesseis the upgrader working yet?02:46
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nixternalRiddell: I will take a look at it, I thought that was the correct patch, maybe it wasn't03:07
nixternalhiya jjesse03:07
jjessehiya nixternal03:08
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kubunteroIs it possible to mount my / partion to be used by the Live CD?03:51
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jjesseonly 4 hours and 27 minutes remaining to my upgrade04:20
jjesseso far the upgrade manager is working great04:21
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nixternal4hrs and 27minutes?04:56
manchicken_Took me a while to do feisty upgrade.04:59
nixternalhrmm, I need to replace my GPLv3 t-shirt, but the FSF only has black up to XL05:00
nixternalI thought real men were hackers, not 12yo kids05:01
nixternalplayin' with the dog and he grabbed a mouth fool and ripped the front right off05:02
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sebasThe apport reports are extremely useless, at least for displayconfig.10:16
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Luresebas: why?10:22
sebasNo python trace in there, the rest of the information is not useful.10:22
sebasFor displayconfig for example, I'd need python trace, and output of displayconfig-bugreport to be able to judge10:22
sebasThis way it says no more: It crashed, somewhere, somehow.10:23
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_StefanS_hmm I'm having some issues with knetworkmanager. When I have connected to the wireless network, and want to go back to wired mode, the menu does not display "Wired Networks" like it used to10:44
_StefanS_hmm I'm going to check the source10:47
_StefanS_seems to be related to the e1000 having a en eeprom error10:51
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Riddellsebas: there should be python backtraces, but maybe because it's a kcontrol module it can't get to it10:53
sebasMight be, I didn't actually check how it works, I'm only getting useless emails10:55
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larsivistill having problems updating feisty - wrong nice value for debconf when setting up x11-common 1:7.2-0ubuntu411:01
Riddellsebas: this one has a python backtrace https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/8738111:11
UbugtuMalone bug 87381 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 11:11
Riddelland this one looks like the problem is in an X library https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/8966311:12
UbugtuMalone bug 89663 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 11:12
sebasRiddell: The first one is actually interesting, I get the same on my system, but have been ignoring it.11:16
sebasI looked at the SIGSEV one, when stating that it's useless, btw.11:17
sebasIt'd be interesting to investigate, though.11:17
sebasI know that sometimes we segfault when importing the xf86misc module.11:17
_StefanS_larsivi: I have the same problem11:23
_StefanS_larsivi: whiptail then consumes 100% cpu11:23
_StefanS_hmm the commandline version of debconf does the same.. it might be related to a bug in debconf or the packages11:28
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ryanakcaRiddell: Anything I can do for you while at school today?12:36
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Riddellryanakca: triage lots of bugs?01:14
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HobbseeRiddell: i got my passport, btw :)01:14
RiddellHobbsee: excellent01:14
Hobbseeyep :)01:14
_Sime_"lspci" output in apport would be useful for displayconfig.01:21
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larsivithe xorg packages now installed fine02:50
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dinosaur-ruswas there any package updates since yesterday?03:02
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dinosaur-ruskcmshell seems to be buggy03:29
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kdefreakcan someone unban me from #ubuntu-bugs, please?04:09
apokryphoskdefreak: ping coleSLAW, dholbach or Seveas04:10
apokryphosdholbach is possibly around04:11
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kdefreakRiddell: have anything to do?04:28
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Riddellkdefreak: triage lots of bugs?04:39
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srednathe startkde script in feisty doesn't run my KDEDIR/env/*.sh scripts04:40
kdefreakRiddell: lol, currently doing that04:41
imbrandonmoins all04:42
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Jucatohi imbrandon!04:48
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kubuntuerokwwii: what is the disadvantages of a vector over raster?04:58
kubuntueroJucato: Hiya04:59
srednai get checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!04:59
srednai did install the qt headers and development files04:59
kubuntueroJucato: what was the factiod for warning against tor again?04:59
Jucatosredna: libqt3-mt-dev ?05:00
srednaJucato: moment, let me see, the files are split in so many atomic parts it's hard to get what to install05:01
kubuntueroJucato: Thanks05:02
srednathat is installed05:03
srednamaybe it is a problem with QTDIR05:03
kwwiikubuntuero: you can scale vector pics, and change things05:05
kwwiiI would say that vector pics are more flexible than pixmaps05:06
kubuntuerokwwii: Thats a disadvantage?05:06
kwwiino, those are advantages :-)05:07
kubuntueroI'm looking for disadvantages :)05:07
kwwiithe only disadvantage that I know of is that you cannot click on super-nifty filters and make effects that you do not understand05:07
kubuntueroha ha That's sort of what we said. thanks :)05:07
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kwwiiin the end, pixmaps are easier for people who do not know what they want to draw05:08
kwwiialso, for very very small pics pixmaps are simply better05:09
kwwiias very small pics only have a few pixels it is very hard to create good vectors that render very small (it is more a point of tricking the renderer into doing what you want)05:10
kubuntueroYeah I saw a 20x20 high detail vector map of the world05:10
kubuntueroWas huuuuuge05:10
dinosaur-russredna: may be bad checking method? it should be done through pkg-config, package "qt-mt"05:10
yuriywould "you can't take a photograph in vectors" count?05:10
srednadinosaur-rus: na, it was an error on my side05:11
dinosaur-russredna: QTDIR isn't used in Kubuntu05:11
dinosaur-russredna: it's not needed05:12
srednathis code is not coming from kubuntu05:12
dinosaur-russredna: oh05:12
mhbkwwii: hi, I tried the usplash update today and it didn't show any splash at all, but I guess somebody already told you05:12
srednasetting qtdir fixed my problem05:12
mhbI mean the one in the morning/yesterday later05:12
srednabutthe code doesn't compile, it's probably too old05:12
kwwiimhb: someone should enter a bug05:12
kwwiimhb: I doubt that it has anything to do with the pics05:13
mhbkwwii: but is that known?05:13
dinosaur-rusmhb: is splash enabled in grub options?05:13
kwwiimhb: I have no idea05:13
mhbkwwii: I mean the splash worked fine yesterday05:13
mhbkwwii: as I told you the progress bar should be larger05:14
mhbbut in the morning I updated and suddenly there was no usplash at all05:14
kwwiimhb: yes, and I updated that last night05:14
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kwwiithat is not good05:14
mhbI remember the system saying something like "no suitable usplash for the resolution" or something05:14
mhbI'll check the logs05:14
dinosaur-russredna: what compilation errors do get?05:15
kwwiimhb: that sucks...let me check it out as well05:15
srednadinosaur-rus: undefined variables, probably due to changes in uic05:16
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dinosaur-russredna: Qt3 includes are in /usr/include/qt305:17
srednadinosaur-rus: that is not really the problem05:18
dinosaur-russredna: what's the screensaver you're trying to compile?05:19
srednadinosaur-rus: kslidesavergl05:19
srednabut it appears to be broken05:20
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mhbkwwii: is there a way to see the usplash without rebooting?05:21
mhbkwwii: for testing purposes05:21
kwwiimhb: yes, you can call the splash somehow...not quite sure how05:22
kubuntueromhb: Nope just switch on Windows mode05:22
mhbkwwii: I found the message05:22
mhbusplash: no usable theme found for 1024x76805:22
kwwiifreaky, I seriously don't get it05:24
kwwiithere is a pic05:24
kwwiiand that size is in the config05:24
srednaah, naming errors05:24
dinosaur-russredna: to not worry about QTDIR, run "./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3"05:30
srednadinosaur-rus: really?05:30
dinosaur-russredna: :)05:31
srednadinosaur-rus: because i appear to have qt in /usr/share/qt305:31
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srednaah, its copied, or linked05:32
dinosaur-russredna: if you look there, you'll find lots of symlinks to actual Qt3 files05:32
srednadinosaur-rus: it's not really important, i just set QTDIR for now, and gets the thing to compile05:33
srednaif i care fix it's remaining issues05:33
srednait seems uic overwrites some files or something05:33
dinosaur-russredna: why do you need that old screensaver?05:33
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srednadinosaur-rus: i just wanted to see it05:33
srednaand there is no gl slideshow screensaver installed here05:34
srednathere is a gl slideshow in KIPI, but it's not very interresting05:34
kwwiiRiddell: what mistake did I make with the usplash? :-)05:34
kwwiiie what did I inapropriately capitalize?05:35
Riddellkwwii: the first letter of the sentence :)05:36
kwwiiwhich sentence?05:37
Riddellin the changelog05:37
Riddellbzr diff oldno..newno reveals all05:37
kwwiiwell, I screwed something even bigger up05:37
dinosaur-russredna: try to download tarball from http://www.linspire.com/kslidesavergl, "Specifications" tab. it has x86 pre-compiled executable05:37
srednadinosaur-rus: :)05:38
dinosaur-russredna: I couldn't find anything better :) it seems that kslidesavergl doesn't have its homepage05:39
dinosaur-russredna: http://software.linspire.com/pool-src/k/kslidesavergl/kslidesavergl_0.7-
nixternalany of today's updates going to break my computer and cuss under my breath? :)05:44
nixternalmoin moin kubudevz05:44
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yuriy_can somebody explain "moin" to me? seems a bit of a stretch from "morning" lol05:45
srednadinosaur-rus: thank you, but it doesn't work. as you say, old :;)05:45
srednayuriy_: it's a northern german/southern danish greeting05:46
srednait means 'hi'05:46
yuriy_i always thought it meant morning since people say hi in the morning05:46
mhbsredna: well, it's not popular just there05:46
mhbsredna: nixternal is american :o)05:47
nixternalyuriy_: I have no clue, somebody starting it up, but it is easier than typing Good Morning Kubuntu Developers :)05:47
kwwiitime to cook dinner05:47
nixternalmhb: that isn't true, because I learned it from this channel (i.e., Hobbsee, imbrandon, and others)05:48
nixternalkwwii: !!!oxygen is rocking!!!05:48
Alpha_Clusterive seen moin on a few channels05:48
seeledigikam isn't in feisty?05:49
seele(or did i install it afterwards and forget?)05:49
srednamhb: kde has a quite strong german base, so 'moin' is popular in many kde circles :)05:49
mhbnixternal: Hobbsee is Australian, imbrandon is also american ... not many people from north Germany05:49
Alpha_Clusterseele: not in default (Least i dont have it)05:49
=== sredna restarts kde
nixternalmoin moin moin moin ;p05:50
seeleAlpha_Cluster: ok, i wasn't sure05:50
Alpha_Clusternixternal: god your having to much fun05:50
Alpha_Clusteractually moin is ohw my alarm sounds for telling me its time to goto bed ;)05:50
nixternalnow that I have my Feisty work turned in and complete, it is time to start having some fun05:50
Riddellnixternal: did you see the problem with the edgy docs patch?05:52
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nixternalI am trying to figure that out Riddell. Hopefully have a patch that works today05:53
nixternalfor some reason I can't use the translation scheme we used in dapper for edgy05:53
nixternalis the kubuntu-artwork-usplash the updated, awesome looking one?05:55
mhbnixternal: you don't like it?05:56
nixternalthe new one I do, but I haven't seen it locally yet. I just noticed an update for usplash today, so that is why I asked05:56
mhbnixternal: yes, it should be the usplash you expect05:57
mhbnixternal: however, there has been some issues with it - at least I do experience the issues :o)05:57
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dinosaur-ruswere update-grub script customized for Kubuntu?06:09
mhbI didn't hear of that06:10
dinosaur-rusjust I'd like to change the format for entries in order to not have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst each time that script is called06:11
dinosaur-rusmay be make some sort of configuration file for such things?06:12
mhbdinosaur-rus: I'll try to make sure the update-grub script will be much more intelligent for feisty+106:12
mhbmy configuration tool for feisty didn't get in because the update-grub script is kind of blocking it06:13
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dinosaur-rusmhb: ok06:14
Riddellryanakca: bug 57102 would be good if you're looking for something to work on06:17
UbugtuMalone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu 6.06 locale problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5710206:17
dinosaur-ruswhy do KDE development packages have so many dependencies?06:18
dinosaur-rusoops... adept_manager has crashed06:19
Riddellbecause KDE makes good use of libraries06:19
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nixternalmhb: when you say issues with usplash, do you mean like there isn't a usplash anymore? this update totally killed usplash for me06:30
Riddellanyone else getting lots of javascript errors in KHTML?06:31
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nixternalRiddell: on any page?06:32
mhbnixternal: yep06:33
mhbnixternal: that's exactly what I'm (not) getting06:33
nixternalmhb: ya, my usplash is gone as well, I just checked the symlinks and they are all good06:33
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nixternaloh, I wonder if usplash.conf is goofy06:33
nixternalnope, it looks good as well06:33
srednawhy, when i install kmplayer, doesn't it appear in the app listings for viedeo mimetypes??06:33
nixternalRiddell: I haven't seen a javascript error as of yet06:34
dinosaur-rusam I the only one here who doesn't use usplash?06:36
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nixternaldinosaur-rus: I usually don't as well, only during testing06:38
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nixternalI need to see what is crashing in the background as I boot up ;p06:38
Riddellhola icefox06:38
dinosaur-rusnixternal: :))06:38
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_Sime_icefox finds Sime06:39
icefox_Sime_: Riddell says that you are the guy who hacks on system settings from time to time, is this correcT?06:39
_Sime_icefox: true, although someone else added the new tabs for Feisty BTW.06:39
icefoxwell in the about dialog it currently only lists me as the author and maintainer, concidering that I havn't touched it in two years or so I don't think that is very accurate.06:40
icefoxI would like have added the current maintainer06:40
nixternalheh, manchicken is modest, didn't even add himself to the about :)06:41
icefoxalso bugs.kde.org currently has 21 system settings (lots are to the modules) tasks.  I would like to reassign these06:41
icefoxand change the e-mail contact to the new maintainer06:41
Riddellthere's less of a maintiner than people who have implemented odd changes06:41
_Sime_does anyone else ship s-s?06:41
icefoxwell it would be good to have someone be the front man even if they just delegate sense I have just let it kinda slip through the cracks06:42
icefoxRiddell: but I have gotten requests from other distros06:42
Riddelloh?  who's that?06:42
icefoxusers want it, I just point them to svn06:42
icefoxI would really like it if the package was put upstream to debian so I could use it too06:42
icefoxanyway, _Sime_ would you like to be the front man for it?06:43
Riddellmaybe allee or fabo could help with that06:43
icefoxRiddell: thanks, I would really apprechiate that06:43
_Sime_I don't mind.06:44
Riddellallee: system settings in debian?06:44
Riddellwhat's needed is someone to port it to KDE 4 (or sync the current KDE 4 port) and put it in kdebase06:44
Riddellwhich is a lot for anyone to do06:44
icefoxI ported it06:44
icefoxit is in branches somewhere06:45
Riddellbut there will be lots of changes that need synced to that port06:45
icefoxbut that was a while ago06:45
_Sime_icefox: you can send bugs to simon@simonzone.com06:45
RiddellI don't even know how kcontrol works in KDE 4 now, the xdg menu stuff is gone I believe06:45
icefoxit is a bit messy06:45
icefoxwhat are kubuntu's kde4 plans?06:46
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan is what we wrote last october06:47
alleeRiddell: ah, right they are in kde-extra repo.  Fabo manages it.   Heh, one commit by you ;)06:47
Riddellbut mostly, package it and release when ready06:47
icefoxI mean is it something that was ported today would just bitrot in svn for another 6 months06:48
Riddellallee: but it hasn't been uploaded?06:48
alleeRiddell: oh, really?06:48
nixternalPCLinuxOS, is that a Debian spin-off or a Kubuntu spin-off?06:48
Riddellallee: well, packages.debian.org doesn't show it06:48
Riddellnixternal: debian06:48
yuriyabout kde4 plans, any clue when the next LTS is?06:48
nixternalahh, OK06:48
Riddellicefox: maybe, but it has to be ported sometime and leaving it to the last minute wouldn't help06:48
Riddellyuriy: no (I do worry it'll be at the same time as our first kde 4 release)06:49
nixternalwe have to rock KDE 4 that is for sure06:49
nixternalFedora is doing something like KDEPush or something in order to have a solid KDE desktop for KDE 406:49
_Sime_nixternal: PCLinuxOS was a Mandriva spin off.06:49
nixternalit isn't to shabby out of the box - synaptic lovers though06:50
yuriyRiddell: yeah that's what i feel will happen. i imagine feisty+1 with kde3 would be by far the most stable kubuntu for a while06:50
alleeRiddell isn't system settings the kde-guidance pkgs?  it's in debian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kde-guidance06:50
Riddellallee: no, it's kde-systemsettings06:51
_Sime_allee: nope06:51
yuriybtw is there a way we can put some sort of disclaimer about that when people file bugs?06:51
icefox_Sime_: a lot of the current system settings task are really module bugs.  For the most part just find out which module/author owns it and then reassign06:51
yuriylots of systemsettings/kdebase/kde-guidance/(kdeadmin?) stuff gets mixed up06:52
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Alpha_Clusterkwwii: what happend to usplash?06:53
dinosaur-rusis it safe to remove "openoffice.org" package if I don't need all of OO components?06:53
nixternalAlpha_Cluster: you like the new usplash? It is the new invisible logo :D06:54
Alpha_Clusterthe text logo you mean06:54
mhbAlpha_Cluster: don't worry, kwwii knows about that bug06:56
mhbboth I and nixternal can confirm it06:56
Alpha_Clusterok i assumed so but felt a need to anyways... just in case06:57
icefoxyuriy: so there are file conflicts to getting system settings in debian?06:58
Riddelljust needs a debian person to do it06:59
icefoxah :P06:59
Alpha_ClusterHey does anyone else have a hard time going on launchpad with konqueror on default?07:00
yuriyicefox: no, i was talking about bug reports07:00
icefoxah, yes07:00
yuriywhat exactly is in kdeadmin anyways07:01
icefoxksysv, kpackage, kuser, knetworkconf, kcron07:02
icefoxoh and kdat, kcron is really the only thing I have ever used07:02
yuriyhmm so knetworkconf is the only part that's in kubuntu07:04
yuriyer or not07:05
Riddellit is07:05
Riddellas is kcron07:05
yuriyoh it's kcm_knetworkconfmodule07:05
icefoxok, heading home to dinner, _Sime_ feel free to modify the about data and add yourself as the maintainer, allee if you can push systemsettings upstream I would very much apprechiate it, Riddell I will put it down porting the app on my todo list (no this weekend, but at some time)07:06
yuriyi don't see kcron07:07
Riddelland the slip it into kdebase while nobody is looking07:07
Riddellit's in K-menu->System07:07
Riddellthe UI is interesting07:07
Riddellalthough it's not significantly worse than window's scheduled tasks07:08
yuriyoh that. i was looking for a kcm07:08
seeleRiddell: were you still interested in testing ubiquity?07:13
alleeicefox: you can ask on #debian-qt-kde  (irc.oftc.net).  There are the debian KDE guys.  I can take care about the debina-kubuntu interaction, if a DD shows interest.07:22
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Riddellhi seele, I am yes07:31
seeleok.. i'm back over here07:33
seeleRiddell: just ubiquity or the entire installation process?07:33
seele(i was thinking adept would be a good candidate too.. but since ellen already wrote a spec i will leave it alone)07:34
Riddellubiquity is the only part of the install process I can change07:37
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Riddellseele: also feedback on the new dist-upgrade tool would be good07:37
yuriyRiddell: wrt ubiquity usability, did you see my note about funny sized text boxes?07:39
yuriyi tried to get the .ui and change it but couldn't get them to be the same size07:39
Riddellyuriy: don't think I did07:40
yuriyRiddell: on the user information page, every text box is a different size and the full name box is much smaller than the username box07:41
RiddellI thought I fixed that recently07:42
yuriyRiddell: maybe, that was herd 407:42
RiddellI think it was after that07:42
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LureRiddell: danny is lobbying for kpowersave again: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html08:58
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fdovingLure: how is kpowersave 0.7.2?09:00
Lurefdoving: working nicely09:00
Lurefdoving: I still do not like complexity of user interface09:00
Lurefdoving: most users are not interested in schemas09:01
fdovingguidance-power-manager is nice to me.09:01
Lurefdoving: and naming is confusing (Powersave & Performance is used for both scheme and cpu freq policy)09:01
Lurefdoving: I will respond to Danny09:02
Lurefdoving: main benefit is that it uses HAL events, which we cannot as PyQt3 does not support them - so guidance is polling09:02
fdovingpolling isn't that nice.09:02
Lurefdoving: exactly, but the load is not that bad, but it for sure impacts battery life09:03
fdovingso will pyqt4 support this?09:03
Lurefdoving: not much, but when we will go to tickless kernel (I hope with feisty+1), it may be much more noticable09:03
Lurefdoving: it does support it in current snapshot, but it was too late (end of january) that we could rewrite all kde dependancies to plain qt409:04
Lurefdoving: we decided with sebas that stability is better for feisty09:04
fdovingi totaly agree.09:04
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Luresebas, Riddell: I have posted my response to Danny's blog09:22
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RiddellLure: who's he?09:28
LureRiddell: author of kpowersave, from opensuse09:28
LureRiddell: he helped a lot on KubuntuPowersave testing when we evaluated it for edgy...09:29
LureRiddell: libkexiv2 still stuck in NEW queue... :-(09:35
LureRiddell: and is upgrade tool ready for another try?09:36
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RiddellLure: seb said he'd be doing NEW queue today but doesn't seem to have09:39
RiddellLure: pitti said he'd get the dist-upgrade packages into edgy-proposed but doesn't seem to have done that either09:40
Riddelloh well, gives me something to put in my weekly report I support09:40
LureRiddell: ok, I am sure they were busy with other stuff before beta...09:40
LureRiddell: be nice to them... ;-)09:41
kwwiiRiddell: ok, I fixed a problem in the usplash config file (I hope)09:54
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Riddellkwwii: what was up?10:08
kwwiiRiddell: to be quite honest I have no idea10:08
kwwiibut for now I have reverted most of the changes10:09
kwwiithe only thing that is different to the last version that worked (the one from edgy) is like 8 coordinates so it should not make a problem10:09
ryanakcaRiddell: amarok changes ok?10:10
Riddellryanakca: well, I uploaded them :)10:10
ryanakcalol, kk10:10
kwwiiRiddell: what I really don't get is that the same config file works fine with ubuntu10:10
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makkesDoes anyone here know, how Kubuntu displays the dialogs in KDE when I press the "Brightness" button on my laptop?10:18
makkesIt seems that hal calls /usr/share/hal/hal-system-lcd-set-brightness10:19
hungermakkes: IIRC that is called milo. Not sure though.10:19
Luremakkes: kmilo10:19
makkesThank you guys!10:19
makkesI was searching for that the last 2 or so hours. :)10:20
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makkesAnd from where is kmilo called?10:24
makkesI mean when the brightness changes e.g.10:24
Riddellwe change button presses into normal linux key events10:25
Riddellwhich go through layers to become normal X key events10:25
Riddelland kmilo has a global key accelarator set for that key10:25
seeleRiddell: who is charge of the installation process if you can't change it?10:30
Riddellseele: kamion does the low level stuff10:32
seeleis there an interest in feedback about the process in general?10:32
Riddellseele: I should think so yes10:33
seelekamion is his irc nick?10:33
Lureseele: cjwatson10:34
seeleLure: ok thanks10:34
Riddelldepends what mood he's in10:34
seelehum, that doesnt sound encouraging ;P10:39
LureRiddell: he is always in good mood and I have not seen use of Kamion nick for some time... ;-)10:43
ajmitchLure: in  good mood as long as you're not annoying & asking silly questions :)10:44
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seeleajmitch: like asking if evaluating the install process with user testing?10:45
seele(.. is a good idea)10:45
Lureajmitch: I think that is an issue for anyone - just the trigger level is different ;-)10:45
ajmitchseele: more like bugging him every day about stuff that's clearly documented10:45
seeleok good, hehe10:45
Lureseele: you should be more than fine10:45
ajmitchI'm sure he'd welcome some testing & feedback10:45
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Lureseele: didn't you met him at uds-mtv?10:45
seeleLure: perhaps?  there were a lot of people there :)10:46
Lureseele: there was some ubiquity usability going on...10:46
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Lureajmitch: ditto ;-)10:46
ajmitchLure: I met you briefly, at least :)10:46
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seelehmm.. seems like install process is a go11:00
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mhbgood evening11:04
mhbkwwii: did you manage to squish that usplash bug?11:04
=== mhb is excited to see the new usplash progress bar :o)
kwwiimhb: yes, I think so11:05
mhbkwwii: great11:05
_StefanS_kwwii: hey, how come usplash doesn't have a theme anymore ? :)11:07
kwwiisomeone should test it and see if it works11:07
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kwwii_StefanS_: because of some reason I cannot find11:07
kwwiiso I reverted most of the changes11:07
kwwiibut left a few (the part about using a bigger progress bar at 1024x768 and bigger)11:08
kwwiibut someone needs to test it and see if it works11:08
kwwiias my machines do not boot at that resolution anyway11:08
_StefanS_what is needed to test 1024x76811:08
_StefanS_heh the theme from top gun is on sky.fm11:08
_StefanS_kwwii: lemme me test it11:09
mhbkwwii: I can test it, too11:10
kwwiimhb: check launchpad, it should appear there11:10
_StefanS_got any idea on that shutdown, not displaying until the very last 20%  ?11:11
kwwii_StefanS_: I think that is something else11:11
_StefanS_kwwii: yes, it sure is - but maybe you had an idea (?) :)11:11
kwwiisounds simply like X is being killed way too late, or the hook to start displaying the usplash is set too late11:12
kwwiino idea really11:13
_StefanS_uhm ok.. maybe it will be fixed someday11:13
kwwiidoes ubuntu have the same bug?11:13
_StefanS_I found a bug report on edgy11:13
_StefanS_exactly the same stuff11:13
yuriyyeah it happened on edgy but i thought it was fixed11:14
kwwiiif it is since edgy, it is a known issue11:14
_StefanS_so it has more focus then ? 8-)11:14
=== yuriy is trying to make use of basKet
_StefanS_yuriy: good luck11:16
yuriyit would be soo much nicer if it was in the desktop. they should just port basket to the desktop and call it plasma :D11:16
_StefanS_heh, sure hope they will recode the graphics part, cause thats just really slow .. takes 100% cpu while resizing widgets and stuff11:17
Alpha_Clusteryuriy:why not jsut6 save your baskets to desktop?11:17
yuriycan you? would that just be a file?11:18
Alpha_Clusteryuriy: well yeh it would just be a file but it would open to basket from desktop,,, which is a bit closer11:18
yuriyi tried dragging one out and it just makes a text file. i want the widgets!11:18
Alpha_Clusterlol no widgets yet why dont you make some ;)11:18
yuriyi wouldn't want to duplicate the plasma team's efforts :P i really do think basket is a good start on what plasma should be like11:19
Alpha_Clusteryuriy: i dont think they are working together though.. though i think basKet is supposed to just stay as a Kontact/standalone program11:20
=== yuriy is impressed by all the activity in #ubuntu-bugs but disappointed by the lack of it on kubuntu-bugs@
mhbthere is a kubuntu-bugs?11:20
mhboh, no #kubuntu-bugs11:21
yuriymhb: it's an ml11:21
yuriyi think it's for kubuntu team's packages on launchpad11:21
yuriyi might be wrong though, or it might be obsolete. but I started out triaging by subscribing and looking at that list11:23
yuriyabout a year ago11:23
yuriydecided to resubscribe for hug day to see how it goes11:23
mhbkwwii: tested11:27
mhbkwwii: seems fine11:27
mhbkwwii: at least when I do "usplash -c" in the console; didn't try to restart the machine, but that should be okay11:27
kwwiimhb: excellent11:27
kwwiiwas the progress bar bigger?11:28
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mhbit was11:28
kwwiiand is that better?11:29
mhbit's okay for me11:29
mhbgreat work11:29
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yuriy_StefanS_: would it be possible to get rid of the tiny little corners on the shutdown dialog?11:56
yuriylooks like maybe the frame should be turned off11:56
_StefanS_yuriy: well probably.. is it the frame.. well I was just writing that11:56
yuriyyeah there's the frame and then there's like 1 pixel outside of it on each cornver11:57
_StefanS_yuriy: ah you mean because they are not transparent11:57
_StefanS_i see.11:57
_StefanS_I will write a note and fix it.11:57
yuriy_StefanS_: thanks :) it's nitpicking, of course11:58
_StefanS_yuriy: its ok, minor details strike my eyes every so often also11:58
_StefanS_yuriy: it seems like it is because the dialog is drawn before the fade begins, and thus have not the right colors for the corners.11:59
_StefanS_yuriy: I think its because the style fakes the transparency11:59
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