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| yuriy | manchicken: a day for people to triage because everybody else is doing it. and you have the special right to solicit hugs from people when you fix bugs | 12:22 | 
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| yuriy | if you happen to close one, i recommend not telling jdong_ ;) | 12:23 | 
| jdong_ | I would like..... <insert X-rated action here>.... people who fix my bugs | 12:23 | 
| jdong_ | but out of love. | 12:23 | 
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| pusling | toma: here I am. | 12:24 | 
| yuriy | if your gf closes a bug, you probably shouldn't tell jdong_ either | 12:24 | 
| jdong_ | Actually I only go for developers with upload rights | 12:25 | 
| pusling | anyone been in contact with the author of the polyester windeco ? | 12:25 | 
| jdong_ | ha. Upload rights. innuendo 2 for jdong | 12:25 | 
| toma | Riddell: who tuned the sylvester theme? | 12:25 | 
| manchicken | yuriy: I like hugs. | 12:26 | 
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| ryanakca | hmm... guess we're getting kolab | 12:32 | 
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| Riddell | kwwii: checkout and commit | 12:47 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: don't branch | 12:47 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: so can I simply change the last stuff I pushed and then commit? | 12:47 | 
| kwwii | or do I need to checkout extra? | 12:47 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: sure | 12:47 | 
| Riddell | do a bzr update | 12:48 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: ok, done | 12:48 | 
| kwwii | can you check the changes? | 12:48 | 
| kwwii | it should be two pixmaps and a .c file for the usplash | 12:49 | 
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| Riddell | kwwii: it hasn't appeared, you must have a branch rather than a checkout, do a bzr push | 12:54 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: should I do a dch -i first? | 12:55 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: if you haven't already added a changelog entry yes | 12:55 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: amarok: http://packages.ryanak.ca/dists/ryan-feisty/kde/ | 12:57 | 
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| kwwii | Riddell: cool, doing so now...next time I will simply checkout the repo and then commit | 12:57 | 
| kwwii | erm, error...I'll checkout a new version and make my changes | 12:57 | 
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| kwwii | Riddell: what did I mess up with the changelogs last time? | 01:04 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: nothing, the bzr archive was out of sync with the .deb archive | 01:05 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: -0ubuntu2 is an old version, feisty is currently on -0ubuntu5 | 01:06 | 
| ryanakca | really? | 01:06 | 
| ryanakca | hmm... | 01:06 | 
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| Riddell | a debdiff is fine | 01:06 | 
| ryanakca | kk | 01:08 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: commit done | 01:08 | 
| pusling | Riddell: is feisty frozen ? | 01:08 | 
| Riddell | pusling: for new upstreams it's quite icey | 01:09 | 
| pusling | okay. else I would have said: please sync kde-style-polyester from experimental | 01:09 | 
| kwwii | pusling: good reason to do so? | 01:10 | 
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| pusling | kwwii: if frozen, no. else it is a bump from 1.0~beta1 to 1.0 stable (unless someone have been updating out of sync with debian) | 01:11 | 
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| Riddell | we currently have 1.0-0ubuntu1 | 01:11 | 
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| pusling | okay then someone might have been syncing in stuff. | 01:11 | 
| pusling | Riddell: does it build-depend on inkscape ? | 01:12 | 
| Riddell | so it's up to date, and we'll sync back when feisty+1 opens | 01:12 | 
| Riddell | pusling: not as far as I know | 01:12 | 
| kwwii | lol, if it did we would have much less problems with oxygen | 01:12 | 
| Riddell | I suspect I'd have noticied if it did | 01:12 | 
| pusling | if ppc is a ubuntu arch, I would consider you looking at my changes. | 01:12 | 
| pusling | http://mirror.pusling.com/polyester/ | 01:13 | 
| nixternal | Riddell: did you get a chance to look at the kubuntu-docs package (debdiff) for Edgy? | 01:13 | 
| Hobbsee | heya pusling! | 01:13 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: Is Adeodato Sim a kubuntu/ubuntu dev? or a Debian one? | 01:13 | 
| nixternal | hola people! | 01:14 | 
| pusling | ryanakca: debian. (but currently vacating) | 01:14 | 
| pusling | hey Hobbsee | 01:14 | 
| nixternal | I love how Kontact freezes for about a minute while downloading my email | 01:14 | 
| nixternal | it is so cool | 01:14 | 
| Hobbsee | gah, silly work. if you need to call me back in 5 mins to tell me when my shift is, and it ends up being in 15 min, then i'm going to be late! | 01:14 | 
| ryanakca | then should I update the Maintainer field of amarok's control? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html | 01:15 | 
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: lol | 01:15 | 
| Riddell | pusling: added to my todo, thanks | 01:15 | 
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: have fun | 01:15 | 
| kwwii | Hobbsee: have fun at work | 01:15 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: yes | 01:15 | 
| kwwii | get going or you'll be even later | 01:15 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: looking | 01:16 | 
| pusling | ryanakca: it is still dato who is doing amarok, he is having a temporary vacation replacement, but he is expected back sometime in the future. | 01:16 | 
| pusling | ryanakca: in debian. | 01:16 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: hehe, yep. | 01:16 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: at least launchpad shows my changes, so I guess it will not mess anything up :p | 01:16 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: my work really isnt very smart, sometimes | 01:16 | 
| Hobbsee | yay, work's not for another hour adn 15 mins :) | 01:16 | 
| ryanakca | pusling: kk, *points to the link*... We aren't supposed to have debian maintainers in our maintainer fields anymore... | 01:17 | 
| pusling | ryanakca: nope. and that is nice. | 01:17 | 
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: yeah, as long as it has ubuntu in it | 01:18 | 
| === Hobbsee could use ubuntu@hobbsee.nospammail.net then. | ||
| === ryanakca guesses | ||
| pusling | Hobbsee: if you are bored, you can prepare a new upstream version of serenity for me - and relibtoolize it as well ;) | 01:19 | 
| Hobbsee | pusling: i'm not that bored. i'm actually about to go search for some form of food - both now and for dinner | 01:20 | 
| Riddell | pusling: did you look at KDE 4 packages by the way? | 01:20 | 
| pusling | Riddell: not that much yet. I am still figuring out what to do with cmake and all the weird -DFOOBAR | 01:21 | 
| pusling | but I got libs building | 01:21 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/384337 | 01:22 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: wait, you probably want this version: http://pastebin.ca/raw/384337 | 01:23 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: could you put it not on a pastebin? they always seem to change the line endings to windows style | 01:23 | 
| nixternal | roger, I am gonna eat, bbiab | 01:24 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: the raw version is plaintext, but, sure, I'll stick it on my webserver | 01:24 | 
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| ryanakca | Riddell: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff | 01:25 | 
| Riddell | nope, it definately has windows line endings | 01:25 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: rafb.net/paste is fine, iirc | 01:25 | 
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| Riddell | ryanakca: your install-mp3 script still enables universe, but libxine1-ffmpeg is in main | 01:26 | 
| ryanakca | ah | 01:26 | 
| === ryanakca didn't know that | ||
| === ryanakca fixes | ||
| Riddell | so the whole enabling repositories stuff can go | 01:27 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: did you fix https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58617 too? | 01:27 | 
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58617 in amarok "Saying no to MP3 support on fresh install says that Amarok is now ready to support MP3" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:27 | 
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: don't think os | 01:27 | 
| kwwii | so once the new usplash stuff is in place, let me know how it looks - I think the progress bar is kinda different to what was in edgy (and/or anywhere else) | 01:29 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: after applying your patch and compiling the package only has docs for en and C | 01:29 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: I uploaded it if I didn't already say so | 01:30 | 
| Riddell | right, all pending requests sorted, I can go to bed again :) | 01:30 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: excellent, thanks | 01:30 | 
| kwwii | see you tomorrow | 01:31 | 
| kwwii | time for bed here too | 01:31 | 
| ryanakca | night kwwii, Riddell | 01:35 | 
| kwwii | night ryanakca | 01:35 | 
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| Riddell | ah, freeflying | 01:44 | 
| Riddell | freeflying: did you get my e-mail? | 01:44 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: for the morning or afternoon, or whenever you feel like it: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff | 01:45 | 
| freeflying | Riddelll: haven't yet. let me check now | 01:45 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: looks nice, but it'll be the morning | 01:46 | 
| Riddell | freeflying: it said please test Qt 3.3.8 to make sure scim is still working | 01:46 | 
| Riddell | freeflying: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-qt/ ./ | 01:47 | 
| === Hobbsee wonders if she'll ever go for core dev. | ||
| Riddell | no powerpc packages I'm afraid | 01:47 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: kk, thanks | 01:47 | 
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: you aren't a core dev? | 01:47 | 
| Riddell | Hobbsee: maybe after UDS | 01:47 | 
| === Riddell beds | ||
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: nope, only a MOTU | 01:47 | 
| ryanakca | I've alwais thought you were... | 01:47 | 
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, it would be. | 01:47 | 
| Hobbsee | night Riddell! | 01:47 | 
| freeflying | Riddell: please sync skim from sid, skim lack of some patches and not lintian clean | 01:48 | 
| Riddell | freeflying: added to my TODO | 01:48 | 
| freeflying | Riddell: thx | 01:49 | 
| === Hobbsee wonders about the merits of mounting all removable media as sync by default | ||
| === ryanakca wouldn't... | ||
| ryanakca | Sometimes I just want to charge my iPod without mounting it... | 01:51 | 
| ryanakca | If it gets auto mounted, I have to go threw the hassle of unmounting it in the morning before unplugging it | 01:51 | 
| ryanakca | if you have a sluggish computer... meh | 01:51 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: we've got a nasty bug about the unmount dialog gone, which was what i was thinking of | 01:52 | 
| lexual | anyone have an opinion on my ML post regarding quicklauncher? | 01:52 | 
| ryanakca | floppies I would auto mount... that would save a bunch of questions/support requests | 01:52 | 
| Hobbsee | lexual: i've looked, i'm thinking about it | 01:53 | 
| Hobbsee | nixternal: poke | 01:53 | 
| ryanakca | (since people are so used to Windows automounting it, they get to linux and "Why is my floppy drive broken under linux?!?!?") | 01:53 | 
| === ryanakca wonders how many people still use floppies | ||
| pusling | what's a floppy drive ? | 01:53 | 
| lexual | wasn't sure if right step was to open a bug, or start ML discussion. | 01:53 | 
| Hobbsee | lexual: ML's good | 01:54 | 
| ryanakca | pusling: a drive that takes 3" diskettes... if that doesn't help you, Google it :D | 01:54 | 
| Hobbsee | lexual: seeing as everyone's on it | 01:54 | 
| Hobbsee | lexual: might be worth having nixternal put it into the release notes as a new feature. | 01:54 | 
| pusling | ryanakca: oh. antiques ;) | 01:56 | 
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: ancient things. neither of my past 2 computers have them. | 01:57 | 
| ryanakca | pusling: yeah... I coulndn't find any new computers that had one the other day when shopping for my new one | 01:57 | 
| ryanakca | pusling: I wonder if I can somehow get chessmaster 2000 of one of those real floppy floppies... | 01:57 | 
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: I use them... backup my ~/.gnupg and stick it in firesafe... and for taking stuff to school... (people have fun breaking the usb ports on the back of the computers..) | 01:58 | 
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: ah yes, i need to do that. | 01:59 | 
| === Hobbsee now has a spare USB stick. | ||
| manchicken | Later folks. | 02:00 | 
| ryanakca | night manchicken | 02:00 | 
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| freeflying | Riddell: scim and skim can work, only using xim | 02:30 | 
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| freeflying | Riddell: but not very stable | 02:35 | 
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| jjesse | i'm thinking about taking the plunge and upgrading to fiesty :) | 02:46 | 
| jjesse | is the upgrader working yet? | 02:46 | 
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| nixternal | Riddell: I will take a look at it, I thought that was the correct patch, maybe it wasn't | 03:07 | 
| nixternal | hiya jjesse | 03:07 | 
| jjesse | hiya nixternal | 03:08 | 
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| kubuntero | Hello | 03:49 | 
| kubuntero | Is it possible to mount my / partion to be used by the Live CD? | 03:51 | 
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| jjesse | only 4 hours and 27 minutes remaining to my upgrade | 04:20 | 
| jjesse | so far the upgrade manager is working great | 04:21 | 
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| nixternal | 4hrs and 27minutes? | 04:56 | 
| nixternal | whoa | 04:56 | 
| manchicken_ | Took me a while to do feisty upgrade. | 04:59 | 
| nixternal | hrmm, I need to replace my GPLv3 t-shirt, but the FSF only has black up to XL | 05:00 | 
| nixternal | I thought real men were hackers, not 12yo kids | 05:01 | 
| manchicken | heh | 05:01 | 
| nixternal | playin' with the dog and he grabbed a mouth fool and ripped the front right off | 05:02 | 
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| sebas | The apport reports are extremely useless, at least for displayconfig. | 10:16 | 
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| Lure | sebas: why? | 10:22 | 
| sebas | No python trace in there, the rest of the information is not useful. | 10:22 | 
| sebas | For displayconfig for example, I'd need python trace, and output of displayconfig-bugreport to be able to judge | 10:22 | 
| sebas | This way it says no more: It crashed, somewhere, somehow. | 10:23 | 
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| _StefanS_ | hello | 10:43 | 
| _StefanS_ | hmm I'm having some issues with knetworkmanager. When I have connected to the wireless network, and want to go back to wired mode, the menu does not display "Wired Networks" like it used to | 10:44 | 
| _StefanS_ | hmm I'm going to check the source | 10:47 | 
| _StefanS_ | seems to be related to the e1000 having a en eeprom error | 10:51 | 
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| Riddell | sebas: there should be python backtraces, but maybe because it's a kcontrol module it can't get to it | 10:53 | 
| sebas | Might be, I didn't actually check how it works, I'm only getting useless emails | 10:55 | 
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| larsivi | still having problems updating feisty - wrong nice value for debconf when setting up x11-common 1:7.2-0ubuntu4 | 11:01 | 
| Riddell | sebas: this one has a python backtrace https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/87381 | 11:11 | 
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87381 in kde-guidance "[apport] displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:11 | 
| Riddell | and this one looks like the problem is in an X library https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/89663 | 11:12 | 
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89663 in kde-guidance "[apport] displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:12 | 
| sebas | Riddell: The first one is actually interesting, I get the same on my system, but have been ignoring it. | 11:16 | 
| Riddell | :) | 11:16 | 
| sebas | I looked at the SIGSEV one, when stating that it's useless, btw. | 11:17 | 
| sebas | It'd be interesting to investigate, though. | 11:17 | 
| sebas | I know that sometimes we segfault when importing the xf86misc module. | 11:17 | 
| _StefanS_ | larsivi: I have the same problem | 11:23 | 
| _StefanS_ | larsivi: whiptail then consumes 100% cpu | 11:23 | 
| _StefanS_ | hmm the commandline version of debconf does the same.. it might be related to a bug in debconf or the packages | 11:28 | 
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| ryanakca | Riddell: Anything I can do for you while at school today? | 12:36 | 
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| Riddell | ryanakca: triage lots of bugs? | 01:14 | 
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: i got my passport, btw :) | 01:14 | 
| Riddell | Hobbsee: excellent | 01:14 | 
| Hobbsee | yep :) | 01:14 | 
| _Sime_ | "lspci" output in apport would be useful for displayconfig. | 01:21 | 
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| larsivi | the xorg packages now installed fine | 02:50 | 
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| dinosaur-rus | hi | 03:01 | 
| dinosaur-rus | was there any package updates since yesterday? | 03:02 | 
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| dinosaur-rus | kcmshell seems to be buggy | 03:29 | 
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:57 | 
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| kdefreak | can someone unban me from #ubuntu-bugs, please? | 04:09 | 
| apokryphos | kdefreak: ping coleSLAW, dholbach or Seveas | 04:10 | 
| apokryphos | dholbach is possibly around | 04:11 | 
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| kdefreak | Riddell: have anything to do? | 04:28 | 
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| Riddell | kdefreak: triage lots of bugs? | 04:39 | 
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| bddebian | :-) | 04:39 | 
| sredna | hello | 04:40 | 
| sredna | the startkde script in feisty doesn't run my KDEDIR/env/*.sh scripts | 04:40 | 
| kdefreak | Riddell: lol, currently doing that | 04:41 | 
| imbrandon | moins all | 04:42 | 
| === sredna wonder if there is a reason that code was removed, since kubuntu adds scripts in the path in question | ||
| Jucato | hi imbrandon! | 04:48 | 
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| kubuntuero | kwwii: what is the disadvantages of a vector over raster? | 04:58 | 
| Jucato | O.o | 04:59 | 
| kubuntuero | Jucato: Hiya | 04:59 | 
| sredna | i get checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! | 04:59 | 
| sredna | i did install the qt headers and development files | 04:59 | 
| kubuntuero | Jucato: what was the factiod for warning against tor again? | 04:59 | 
| Jucato | sredna: libqt3-mt-dev ? | 05:00 | 
| sredna | Jucato: moment, let me see, the files are split in so many atomic parts it's hard to get what to install | 05:01 | 
| kubuntuero | Jucato: Thanks | 05:02 | 
| sredna | that is installed | 05:03 | 
| sredna | maybe it is a problem with QTDIR | 05:03 | 
| sredna | yes | 05:03 | 
| kwwii | kubuntuero: you can scale vector pics, and change things | 05:05 | 
| kwwii | I would say that vector pics are more flexible than pixmaps | 05:06 | 
| kubuntuero | kwwii: Thats a disadvantage? | 05:06 | 
| kwwii | no, those are advantages :-) | 05:07 | 
| kubuntuero | I'm looking for disadvantages :) | 05:07 | 
| kwwii | the only disadvantage that I know of is that you cannot click on super-nifty filters and make effects that you do not understand | 05:07 | 
| kubuntuero | ha ha That's sort of what we said. thanks :) | 05:07 | 
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| kwwii | in the end, pixmaps are easier for people who do not know what they want to draw | 05:08 | 
| kubuntuero | Reasonable | 05:08 | 
| kwwii | also, for very very small pics pixmaps are simply better | 05:09 | 
| kwwii | as very small pics only have a few pixels it is very hard to create good vectors that render very small (it is more a point of tricking the renderer into doing what you want) | 05:10 | 
| kubuntuero | Yeah I saw a 20x20 high detail vector map of the world | 05:10 | 
| kubuntuero | Was huuuuuge | 05:10 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: may be bad checking method? it should be done through pkg-config, package "qt-mt" | 05:10 | 
| yuriy | would "you can't take a photograph in vectors" count? | 05:10 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: na, it was an error on my side | 05:11 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: QTDIR isn't used in Kubuntu | 05:11 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: it's not needed | 05:12 | 
| sredna | this code is not coming from kubuntu | 05:12 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: oh | 05:12 | 
| mhb | kwwii: hi, I tried the usplash update today and it didn't show any splash at all, but I guess somebody already told you | 05:12 | 
| sredna | setting qtdir fixed my problem | 05:12 | 
| mhb | I mean the one in the morning/yesterday later | 05:12 | 
| sredna | butthe code doesn't compile, it's probably too old | 05:12 | 
| kwwii | mhb: someone should enter a bug | 05:12 | 
| kwwii | mhb: I doubt that it has anything to do with the pics | 05:13 | 
| mhb | kwwii: but is that known? | 05:13 | 
| dinosaur-rus | mhb: is splash enabled in grub options? | 05:13 | 
| kwwii | mhb: I have no idea | 05:13 | 
| mhb | kwwii: I mean the splash worked fine yesterday | 05:13 | 
| mhb | kwwii: as I told you the progress bar should be larger | 05:14 | 
| mhb | but in the morning I updated and suddenly there was no usplash at all | 05:14 | 
| kwwii | mhb: yes, and I updated that last night | 05:14 | 
| kwwii | ouch | 05:14 | 
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| kwwii | that is not good | 05:14 | 
| mhb | I remember the system saying something like "no suitable usplash for the resolution" or something | 05:14 | 
| mhb | I'll check the logs | 05:14 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: what compilation errors do get? | 05:15 | 
| dinosaur-rus | *you | 05:15 | 
| kwwii | mhb: that sucks...let me check it out as well | 05:15 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: undefined variables, probably due to changes in uic | 05:16 | 
| === sredna tries to compile an old opengl screensaver | ||
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: Qt3 includes are in /usr/include/qt3 | 05:17 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: that is not really the problem | 05:18 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: what's the screensaver you're trying to compile? | 05:19 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: kslidesavergl | 05:19 | 
| sredna | but it appears to be broken | 05:20 | 
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| mhb | kwwii: is there a way to see the usplash without rebooting? | 05:21 | 
| mhb | kwwii: for testing purposes | 05:21 | 
| kwwii | mhb: yes, you can call the splash somehow...not quite sure how | 05:22 | 
| kubuntuero | mhb: Nope just switch on Windows mode | 05:22 | 
| kubuntuero | :-) | 05:22 | 
| mhb | kwwii: I found the message | 05:22 | 
| mhb | usplash: no usable theme found for 1024x768 | 05:22 | 
| kwwii | freaky, I seriously don't get it | 05:24 | 
| kwwii | there is a pic | 05:24 | 
| kwwii | and that size is in the config | 05:24 | 
| sredna | ah, naming errors | 05:24 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: to not worry about QTDIR, run "./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3" | 05:30 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: really? | 05:30 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: :) | 05:31 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: because i appear to have qt in /usr/share/qt3 | 05:31 | 
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| sredna | ah, its copied, or linked | 05:32 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: if you look there, you'll find lots of symlinks to actual Qt3 files | 05:32 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: it's not really important, i just set QTDIR for now, and gets the thing to compile | 05:33 | 
| sredna | if i care fix it's remaining issues | 05:33 | 
| sredna | it seems uic overwrites some files or something | 05:33 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: why do you need that old screensaver? | 05:33 | 
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| sredna | dinosaur-rus: i just wanted to see it | 05:33 | 
| sredna | and there is no gl slideshow screensaver installed here | 05:34 | 
| sredna | there is a gl slideshow in KIPI, but it's not very interresting | 05:34 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: what mistake did I make with the usplash? :-) | 05:34 | 
| kwwii | ie what did I inapropriately capitalize? | 05:35 | 
| Riddell | kwwii: the first letter of the sentence :) | 05:36 | 
| kwwii | which sentence? | 05:37 | 
| Riddell | in the changelog | 05:37 | 
| Riddell | bzr diff oldno..newno reveals all | 05:37 | 
| kwwii | lol | 05:37 | 
| kwwii | well, I screwed something even bigger up | 05:37 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: try to download tarball from http://www.linspire.com/kslidesavergl, "Specifications" tab. it has x86 pre-compiled executable | 05:37 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: :) | 05:38 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: I couldn't find anything better :) it seems that kslidesavergl doesn't have its homepage | 05:39 | 
| dinosaur-rus | sredna: http://software.linspire.com/pool-src/k/kslidesavergl/kslidesavergl_0.7-1.0.0.50.linspire0.8.tar.gz | 05:40 | 
| nixternal | any of today's updates going to break my computer and cuss under my breath? :) | 05:44 | 
| nixternal | moin moin kubudevz | 05:44 | 
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| yuriy_ | can somebody explain "moin" to me? seems a bit of a stretch from "morning" lol | 05:45 | 
| sredna | dinosaur-rus: thank you, but it doesn't work. as you say, old :;) | 05:45 | 
| sredna | yuriy_: it's a northern german/southern danish greeting | 05:46 | 
| sredna | it means 'hi' | 05:46 | 
| yuriy_ | i always thought it meant morning since people say hi in the morning | 05:46 | 
| mhb | sredna: well, it's not popular just there | 05:46 | 
| mhb | sredna: nixternal is american :o) | 05:47 | 
| nixternal | yuriy_: I have no clue, somebody starting it up, but it is easier than typing Good Morning Kubuntu Developers :) | 05:47 | 
| kwwii | time to cook dinner | 05:47 | 
| kwwii | bbl | 05:47 | 
| nixternal | mhb: that isn't true, because I learned it from this channel (i.e., Hobbsee, imbrandon, and others) | 05:48 | 
| nixternal | kwwii: !!!oxygen is rocking!!! | 05:48 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | ive seen moin on a few channels | 05:48 | 
| seele | digikam isn't in feisty? | 05:49 | 
| seele | (or did i install it afterwards and forget?) | 05:49 | 
| sredna | mhb: kde has a quite strong german base, so 'moin' is popular in many kde circles :) | 05:49 | 
| mhb | nixternal: Hobbsee is Australian, imbrandon is also american ... not many people from north Germany | 05:49 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | seele: not in default (Least i dont have it) | 05:49 | 
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| nixternal | moin moin moin moin ;p | 05:50 | 
| seele | Alpha_Cluster: ok, i wasn't sure | 05:50 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | nixternal: god your having to much fun | 05:50 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | actually moin is ohw my alarm sounds for telling me its time to goto bed ;) | 05:50 | 
| nixternal | now that I have my Feisty work turned in and complete, it is time to start having some fun | 05:50 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: did you see the problem with the edgy docs patch? | 05:52 | 
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| nixternal | I am trying to figure that out Riddell. Hopefully have a patch that works today | 05:53 | 
| nixternal | for some reason I can't use the translation scheme we used in dapper for edgy | 05:53 | 
| nixternal | is the kubuntu-artwork-usplash the updated, awesome looking one? | 05:55 | 
| mhb | nixternal: you don't like it? | 05:56 | 
| nixternal | the new one I do, but I haven't seen it locally yet. I just noticed an update for usplash today, so that is why I asked | 05:56 | 
| mhb | nixternal: yes, it should be the usplash you expect | 05:57 | 
| mhb | nixternal: however, there has been some issues with it - at least I do experience the issues :o) | 05:57 | 
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| dinosaur-rus | were update-grub script customized for Kubuntu? | 06:09 | 
| dinosaur-rus | s/were/was | 06:10 | 
| mhb | I didn't hear of that | 06:10 | 
| dinosaur-rus | just I'd like to change the format for entries in order to not have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst each time that script is called | 06:11 | 
| Riddell | no | 06:11 | 
| dinosaur-rus | may be make some sort of configuration file for such things? | 06:12 | 
| mhb | dinosaur-rus: I'll try to make sure the update-grub script will be much more intelligent for feisty+1 | 06:12 | 
| mhb | my configuration tool for feisty didn't get in because the update-grub script is kind of blocking it | 06:13 | 
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| dinosaur-rus | mhb: ok | 06:14 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: bug 57102 would be good if you're looking for something to work on | 06:17 | 
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu 6.06 locale problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57102 | 06:17 | 
| dinosaur-rus | why do KDE development packages have so many dependencies? | 06:18 | 
| dinosaur-rus | oops... adept_manager has crashed | 06:19 | 
| Riddell | because KDE makes good use of libraries | 06:19 | 
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| nixternal | mhb: when you say issues with usplash, do you mean like there isn't a usplash anymore? this update totally killed usplash for me | 06:30 | 
| Riddell | anyone else getting lots of javascript errors in KHTML? | 06:31 | 
| === nixternal tries | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: on any page? | 06:32 | 
| mhb | nixternal: yep | 06:33 | 
| mhb | nixternal: that's exactly what I'm (not) getting | 06:33 | 
| nixternal | mhb: ya, my usplash is gone as well, I just checked the symlinks and they are all good | 06:33 | 
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| nixternal | oh, I wonder if usplash.conf is goofy | 06:33 | 
| nixternal | nope, it looks good as well | 06:33 | 
| sredna | why, when i install kmplayer, doesn't it appear in the app listings for viedeo mimetypes?? | 06:33 | 
| nixternal | Riddell: I haven't seen a javascript error as of yet | 06:34 | 
| dinosaur-rus | am I the only one here who doesn't use usplash? | 06:36 | 
| dinosaur-rus | :) | 06:36 | 
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| nixternal | dinosaur-rus: I usually don't as well, only during testing | 06:38 | 
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| nixternal | I need to see what is crashing in the background as I boot up ;p | 06:38 | 
| Riddell | hola icefox | 06:38 | 
| icefox | hola | 06:38 | 
| dinosaur-rus | nixternal: :)) | 06:38 | 
| === icefox goes looking for _Sime_ | ||
| _Sime_ | icefox finds Sime | 06:39 | 
| icefox | _Sime_: Riddell says that you are the guy who hacks on system settings from time to time, is this correcT? | 06:39 | 
| _Sime_ | icefox: true, although someone else added the new tabs for Feisty BTW. | 06:39 | 
| icefox | well in the about dialog it currently only lists me as the author and maintainer, concidering that I havn't touched it in two years or so I don't think that is very accurate. | 06:40 | 
| icefox | I would like have added the current maintainer | 06:40 | 
| nixternal | heh, manchicken is modest, didn't even add himself to the about :) | 06:41 | 
| icefox | also bugs.kde.org currently has 21 system settings (lots are to the modules) tasks. I would like to reassign these | 06:41 | 
| icefox | and change the e-mail contact to the new maintainer | 06:41 | 
| Riddell | there's less of a maintiner than people who have implemented odd changes | 06:41 | 
| _Sime_ | true. | 06:41 | 
| _Sime_ | does anyone else ship s-s? | 06:41 | 
| Riddell | no | 06:42 | 
| icefox | well it would be good to have someone be the front man even if they just delegate sense I have just let it kinda slip through the cracks | 06:42 | 
| icefox | Riddell: but I have gotten requests from other distros | 06:42 | 
| Riddell | oh? who's that? | 06:42 | 
| icefox | users want it, I just point them to svn | 06:42 | 
| icefox | I would really like it if the package was put upstream to debian so I could use it too | 06:42 | 
| Riddell | :) | 06:43 | 
| icefox | anyway, _Sime_ would you like to be the front man for it? | 06:43 | 
| Riddell | maybe allee or fabo could help with that | 06:43 | 
| allee | mhmm? | 06:43 | 
| icefox | Riddell: thanks, I would really apprechiate that | 06:43 | 
| _Sime_ | I don't mind. | 06:44 | 
| Riddell | allee: system settings in debian? | 06:44 | 
| Riddell | what's needed is someone to port it to KDE 4 (or sync the current KDE 4 port) and put it in kdebase | 06:44 | 
| Riddell | which is a lot for anyone to do | 06:44 | 
| icefox | I ported it | 06:44 | 
| icefox | it is in branches somewhere | 06:45 | 
| Riddell | but there will be lots of changes that need synced to that port | 06:45 | 
| icefox | but that was a while ago | 06:45 | 
| _Sime_ | icefox: you can send bugs to simon@simonzone.com | 06:45 | 
| icefox | yup | 06:45 | 
| Riddell | I don't even know how kcontrol works in KDE 4 now, the xdg menu stuff is gone I believe | 06:45 | 
| icefox | yah | 06:45 | 
| icefox | it is a bit messy | 06:45 | 
| icefox | what are kubuntu's kde4 plans? | 06:46 | 
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan is what we wrote last october | 06:47 | 
| allee | Riddell: ah, right they are in kde-extra repo. Fabo manages it. Heh, one commit by you ;) | 06:47 | 
| Riddell | but mostly, package it and release when ready | 06:47 | 
| icefox | I mean is it something that was ported today would just bitrot in svn for another 6 months | 06:48 | 
| Riddell | allee: but it hasn't been uploaded? | 06:48 | 
| allee | Riddell: oh, really? | 06:48 | 
| nixternal | PCLinuxOS, is that a Debian spin-off or a Kubuntu spin-off? | 06:48 | 
| Riddell | allee: well, packages.debian.org doesn't show it | 06:48 | 
| Riddell | nixternal: debian | 06:48 | 
| yuriy | about kde4 plans, any clue when the next LTS is? | 06:48 | 
| nixternal | ahh, OK | 06:48 | 
| Riddell | icefox: maybe, but it has to be ported sometime and leaving it to the last minute wouldn't help | 06:48 | 
| Riddell | yuriy: no (I do worry it'll be at the same time as our first kde 4 release) | 06:49 | 
| nixternal | we have to rock KDE 4 that is for sure | 06:49 | 
| nixternal | Fedora is doing something like KDEPush or something in order to have a solid KDE desktop for KDE 4 | 06:49 | 
| _Sime_ | nixternal: PCLinuxOS was a Mandriva spin off. | 06:49 | 
| nixternal | it isn't to shabby out of the box - synaptic lovers though | 06:50 | 
| yuriy | Riddell: yeah that's what i feel will happen. i imagine feisty+1 with kde3 would be by far the most stable kubuntu for a while | 06:50 | 
| allee | Riddell isn't system settings the kde-guidance pkgs? it's in debian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kde-guidance | 06:50 | 
| Riddell | allee: no, it's kde-systemsettings | 06:51 | 
| _Sime_ | allee: nope | 06:51 | 
| yuriy | heh | 06:51 | 
| yuriy | btw is there a way we can put some sort of disclaimer about that when people file bugs? | 06:51 | 
| icefox | _Sime_: a lot of the current system settings task are really module bugs. For the most part just find out which module/author owns it and then reassign | 06:51 | 
| yuriy | lots of systemsettings/kdebase/kde-guidance/(kdeadmin?) stuff gets mixed up | 06:52 | 
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| Alpha_Cluster | kwwii: what happend to usplash? | 06:53 | 
| dinosaur-rus | is it safe to remove "openoffice.org" package if I don't need all of OO components? | 06:53 | 
| nixternal | Alpha_Cluster: you like the new usplash? It is the new invisible logo :D | 06:54 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | the text logo you mean | 06:54 | 
| nixternal | lol | 06:54 | 
| mhb | Alpha_Cluster: don't worry, kwwii knows about that bug | 06:56 | 
| mhb | both I and nixternal can confirm it | 06:56 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | ok i assumed so but felt a need to anyways... just in case | 06:57 | 
| icefox | yuriy: so there are file conflicts to getting system settings in debian? | 06:58 | 
| Riddell | no | 06:59 | 
| Riddell | just needs a debian person to do it | 06:59 | 
| icefox | ah :P | 06:59 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | Hey does anyone else have a hard time going on launchpad with konqueror on default? | 07:00 | 
| yuriy | icefox: no, i was talking about bug reports | 07:00 | 
| icefox | ah, yes | 07:00 | 
| yuriy | what exactly is in kdeadmin anyways | 07:01 | 
| icefox | ksysv, kpackage, kuser, knetworkconf, kcron | 07:02 | 
| icefox | oh and kdat, kcron is really the only thing I have ever used | 07:02 | 
| yuriy | hmm so knetworkconf is the only part that's in kubuntu | 07:04 | 
| yuriy | er or not | 07:05 | 
| Riddell | it is | 07:05 | 
| Riddell | as is kcron | 07:05 | 
| yuriy | oh it's kcm_knetworkconfmodule | 07:05 | 
| icefox | ok, heading home to dinner, _Sime_ feel free to modify the about data and add yourself as the maintainer, allee if you can push systemsettings upstream I would very much apprechiate it, Riddell I will put it down porting the app on my todo list (no this weekend, but at some time) | 07:06 | 
| yuriy | i don't see kcron | 07:07 | 
| Riddell | and the slip it into kdebase while nobody is looking | 07:07 | 
| Riddell | it's in K-menu->System | 07:07 | 
| Riddell | the UI is interesting | 07:07 | 
| Riddell | although it's not significantly worse than window's scheduled tasks | 07:08 | 
| yuriy | oh that. i was looking for a kcm | 07:08 | 
| seele | Riddell: were you still interested in testing ubiquity? | 07:13 | 
| allee | icefox: you can ask on #debian-qt-kde (irc.oftc.net). There are the debian KDE guys. I can take care about the debina-kubuntu interaction, if a DD shows interest. | 07:22 | 
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| Riddell | hi seele, I am yes | 07:31 | 
| seele | ok.. i'm back over here | 07:33 | 
| seele | Riddell: just ubiquity or the entire installation process? | 07:33 | 
| seele | (i was thinking adept would be a good candidate too.. but since ellen already wrote a spec i will leave it alone) | 07:34 | 
| Riddell | ubiquity is the only part of the install process I can change | 07:37 | 
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| Riddell | seele: also feedback on the new dist-upgrade tool would be good | 07:37 | 
| yuriy | Riddell: wrt ubiquity usability, did you see my note about funny sized text boxes? | 07:39 | 
| yuriy | i tried to get the .ui and change it but couldn't get them to be the same size | 07:39 | 
| Riddell | yuriy: don't think I did | 07:40 | 
| yuriy | Riddell: on the user information page, every text box is a different size and the full name box is much smaller than the username box | 07:41 | 
| Riddell | I thought I fixed that recently | 07:42 | 
| yuriy | Riddell: maybe, that was herd 4 | 07:42 | 
| Riddell | I think it was after that | 07:42 | 
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| Lure | Riddell: danny is lobbying for kpowersave again: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html | 08:58 | 
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| fdoving | Lure: how is kpowersave 0.7.2? | 09:00 | 
| Lure | fdoving: working nicely | 09:00 | 
| Lure | fdoving: I still do not like complexity of user interface | 09:00 | 
| Lure | fdoving: most users are not interested in schemas | 09:01 | 
| fdoving | guidance-power-manager is nice to me. | 09:01 | 
| Lure | fdoving: and naming is confusing (Powersave & Performance is used for both scheme and cpu freq policy) | 09:01 | 
| Lure | fdoving: I will respond to Danny | 09:02 | 
| Lure | fdoving: main benefit is that it uses HAL events, which we cannot as PyQt3 does not support them - so guidance is polling | 09:02 | 
| fdoving | ah. | 09:02 | 
| fdoving | polling isn't that nice. | 09:02 | 
| Lure | fdoving: exactly, but the load is not that bad, but it for sure impacts battery life | 09:03 | 
| fdoving | so will pyqt4 support this? | 09:03 | 
| Lure | fdoving: not much, but when we will go to tickless kernel (I hope with feisty+1), it may be much more noticable | 09:03 | 
| Lure | fdoving: it does support it in current snapshot, but it was too late (end of january) that we could rewrite all kde dependancies to plain qt4 | 09:04 | 
| Lure | fdoving: we decided with sebas that stability is better for feisty | 09:04 | 
| fdoving | i totaly agree. | 09:04 | 
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| Lure | sebas, Riddell: I have posted my response to Danny's blog | 09:22 | 
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| Riddell | Lure: who's he? | 09:28 | 
| Lure | Riddell: author of kpowersave, from opensuse | 09:28 | 
| Lure | Riddell: he helped a lot on KubuntuPowersave testing when we evaluated it for edgy... | 09:29 | 
| Lure | Riddell: libkexiv2 still stuck in NEW queue... :-( | 09:35 | 
| Lure | Riddell: and is upgrade tool ready for another try? | 09:36 | 
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| Riddell | Lure: seb said he'd be doing NEW queue today but doesn't seem to have | 09:39 | 
| Riddell | Lure: pitti said he'd get the dist-upgrade packages into edgy-proposed but doesn't seem to have done that either | 09:40 | 
| Riddell | oh well, gives me something to put in my weekly report I support | 09:40 | 
| Lure | Riddell: ok, I am sure they were busy with other stuff before beta... | 09:40 | 
| Riddell | suppose | 09:40 | 
| Lure | Riddell: be nice to them... ;-) | 09:41 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: ok, I fixed a problem in the usplash config file (I hope) | 09:54 | 
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| Riddell | kwwii: what was up? | 10:08 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: to be quite honest I have no idea | 10:08 | 
| kwwii | but for now I have reverted most of the changes | 10:09 | 
| kwwii | the only thing that is different to the last version that worked (the one from edgy) is like 8 coordinates so it should not make a problem | 10:09 | 
| ryanakca | Riddell: amarok changes ok? | 10:10 | 
| Riddell | ryanakca: well, I uploaded them :) | 10:10 | 
| ryanakca | lol, kk | 10:10 | 
| kwwii | Riddell: what I really don't get is that the same config file works fine with ubuntu | 10:10 | 
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| makkes | Hello | 10:17 | 
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| makkes | Does anyone here know, how Kubuntu displays the dialogs in KDE when I press the "Brightness" button on my laptop? | 10:18 | 
| makkes | It seems that hal calls /usr/share/hal/hal-system-lcd-set-brightness | 10:19 | 
| hunger | makkes: IIRC that is called milo. Not sure though. | 10:19 | 
| Lure | makkes: kmilo | 10:19 | 
| makkes | Thank you guys! | 10:19 | 
| makkes | I was searching for that the last 2 or so hours. :) | 10:20 | 
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| makkes | And from where is kmilo called? | 10:24 | 
| makkes | I mean when the brightness changes e.g. | 10:24 | 
| Riddell | we change button presses into normal linux key events | 10:25 | 
| Riddell | which go through layers to become normal X key events | 10:25 | 
| Riddell | and kmilo has a global key accelarator set for that key | 10:25 | 
| seele | Riddell: who is charge of the installation process if you can't change it? | 10:30 | 
| Riddell | seele: kamion does the low level stuff | 10:32 | 
| seele | is there an interest in feedback about the process in general? | 10:32 | 
| Riddell | seele: I should think so yes | 10:33 | 
| seele | kamion is his irc nick? | 10:33 | 
| Lure | seele: cjwatson | 10:34 | 
| seele | Lure: ok thanks | 10:34 | 
| Riddell | depends what mood he's in | 10:34 | 
| seele | hum, that doesnt sound encouraging ;P | 10:39 | 
| Lure | Riddell: he is always in good mood and I have not seen use of Kamion nick for some time... ;-) | 10:43 | 
| ajmitch | Lure: in good mood as long as you're not annoying & asking silly questions :) | 10:44 | 
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| seele | ajmitch: like asking if evaluating the install process with user testing? | 10:45 | 
| seele | (.. is a good idea) | 10:45 | 
| Lure | ajmitch: I think that is an issue for anyone - just the trigger level is different ;-) | 10:45 | 
| ajmitch | seele: more like bugging him every day about stuff that's clearly documented | 10:45 | 
| seele | ok good, hehe | 10:45 | 
| ajmitch | I | 10:45 | 
| Lure | seele: you should be more than fine | 10:45 | 
| ajmitch | I'm sure he'd welcome some testing & feedback | 10:45 | 
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| Lure | seele: didn't you met him at uds-mtv? | 10:45 | 
| seele | Lure: perhaps? there were a lot of people there :) | 10:46 | 
| Lure | seele: there was some ubiquity usability going on... | 10:46 | 
| === ajmitch was at mtv & didn't meet half the people there | ||
| Lure | ajmitch: ditto ;-) | 10:46 | 
| ajmitch | Lure: I met you briefly, at least :) | 10:46 | 
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| seele | hmm.. seems like install process is a go | 11:00 | 
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| mhb | good evening | 11:04 | 
| mhb | kwwii: did you manage to squish that usplash bug? | 11:04 | 
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| kwwii | mhb: yes, I think so | 11:05 | 
| mhb | kwwii: great | 11:05 | 
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: hey, how come usplash doesn't have a theme anymore ? :) | 11:07 | 
| kwwii | someone should test it and see if it works | 11:07 | 
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| kwwii | _StefanS_: because of some reason I cannot find | 11:07 | 
| _StefanS_ | ow | 11:07 | 
| kwwii | yeah | 11:07 | 
| kwwii | so I reverted most of the changes | 11:07 | 
| kwwii | but left a few (the part about using a bigger progress bar at 1024x768 and bigger) | 11:08 | 
| kwwii | but someone needs to test it and see if it works | 11:08 | 
| kwwii | as my machines do not boot at that resolution anyway | 11:08 | 
| _StefanS_ | what is needed to test 1024x768 | 11:08 | 
| _StefanS_ | heh the theme from top gun is on sky.fm | 11:08 | 
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: lemme me test it | 11:09 | 
| mhb | kwwii: I can test it, too | 11:10 | 
| kwwii | mhb: check launchpad, it should appear there | 11:10 | 
| kwwii | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu | 11:11 | 
| _StefanS_ | got any idea on that shutdown, not displaying until the very last 20% ? | 11:11 | 
| kwwii | _StefanS_: I think that is something else | 11:11 | 
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: yes, it sure is - but maybe you had an idea (?) :) | 11:11 | 
| kwwii | sounds simply like X is being killed way too late, or the hook to start displaying the usplash is set too late | 11:12 | 
| kwwii | no idea really | 11:13 | 
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok.. maybe it will be fixed someday | 11:13 | 
| kwwii | does ubuntu have the same bug? | 11:13 | 
| _StefanS_ | yes | 11:13 | 
| kwwii | whew! | 11:13 | 
| _StefanS_ | I found a bug report on edgy | 11:13 | 
| _StefanS_ | exactly the same stuff | 11:13 | 
| yuriy | yeah it happened on edgy but i thought it was fixed | 11:14 | 
| kwwii | if it is since edgy, it is a known issue | 11:14 | 
| _StefanS_ | yes.... | 11:14 | 
| _StefanS_ | so it has more focus then ? 8-) | 11:14 | 
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| _StefanS_ | yuriy: good luck | 11:16 | 
| yuriy | it would be soo much nicer if it was in the desktop. they should just port basket to the desktop and call it plasma :D | 11:16 | 
| _StefanS_ | heh, sure hope they will recode the graphics part, cause thats just really slow .. takes 100% cpu while resizing widgets and stuff | 11:17 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | yuriy:why not jsut6 save your baskets to desktop? | 11:17 | 
| yuriy | can you? would that just be a file? | 11:18 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | yuriy: well yeh it would just be a file but it would open to basket from desktop,,, which is a bit closer | 11:18 | 
| yuriy | i tried dragging one out and it just makes a text file. i want the widgets! | 11:18 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | lol no widgets yet why dont you make some ;) | 11:18 | 
| yuriy | i wouldn't want to duplicate the plasma team's efforts :P i really do think basket is a good start on what plasma should be like | 11:19 | 
| Alpha_Cluster | yuriy: i dont think they are working together though.. though i think basKet is supposed to just stay as a Kontact/standalone program | 11:20 | 
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| mhb | there is a kubuntu-bugs? | 11:20 | 
| mhb | oh, no #kubuntu-bugs | 11:21 | 
| yuriy | mhb: it's an ml | 11:21 | 
| yuriy | i think it's for kubuntu team's packages on launchpad | 11:21 | 
| yuriy | i might be wrong though, or it might be obsolete. but I started out triaging by subscribing and looking at that list | 11:23 | 
| yuriy | about a year ago | 11:23 | 
| yuriy | decided to resubscribe for hug day to see how it goes | 11:23 | 
| mhb | kwwii: tested | 11:27 | 
| mhb | kwwii: seems fine | 11:27 | 
| mhb | kwwii: at least when I do "usplash -c" in the console; didn't try to restart the machine, but that should be okay | 11:27 | 
| kwwii | mhb: excellent | 11:27 | 
| kwwii | was the progress bar bigger? | 11:28 | 
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| mhb | it was | 11:28 | 
| kwwii | and is that better? | 11:29 | 
| mhb | sure | 11:29 | 
| mhb | it's okay for me | 11:29 | 
| mhb | great work | 11:29 | 
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| yuriy | _StefanS_: would it be possible to get rid of the tiny little corners on the shutdown dialog? | 11:56 | 
| yuriy | looks like maybe the frame should be turned off | 11:56 | 
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: well probably.. is it the frame.. well I was just writing that | 11:56 | 
| yuriy | yeah there's the frame and then there's like 1 pixel outside of it on each cornver | 11:57 | 
| yuriy | *corner | 11:57 | 
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: ah you mean because they are not transparent | 11:57 | 
| _StefanS_ | i see. | 11:57 | 
| _StefanS_ | I will write a note and fix it. | 11:57 | 
| yuriy | _StefanS_: thanks :) it's nitpicking, of course | 11:58 | 
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: its ok, minor details strike my eyes every so often also | 11:58 | 
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: it seems like it is because the dialog is drawn before the fade begins, and thus have not the right colors for the corners. | 11:59 | 
| _StefanS_ | yuriy: I think its because the style fakes the transparency | 11:59 | 
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| _StefanS_ | night | 12:01 | 
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