[12:22] <yuriy> manchicken: a day for people to triage because everybody else is doing it. and you have the special right to solicit hugs from people when you fix bugs
[12:23] <yuriy> if you happen to close one, i recommend not telling jdong_ ;)
[12:23] <jdong_> I would like..... <insert X-rated action here>.... people who fix my bugs
[12:23] <jdong_> but out of love.
[12:24] <pusling> toma: here I am.
[12:24] <yuriy> if your gf closes a bug, you probably shouldn't tell jdong_ either
[12:25] <jdong_> Actually I only go for developers with upload rights
[12:25] <pusling> anyone been in contact with the author of the polyester windeco ?
[12:25] <jdong_> ha. Upload rights. innuendo 2 for jdong
[12:25] <toma> Riddell: who tuned the sylvester theme?
[12:26] <manchicken> yuriy: I like hugs.
[12:32] <ryanakca> hmm... guess we're getting kolab 
[12:47] <Riddell> kwwii: checkout and commit
[12:47] <Riddell> kwwii: don't branch
[12:47] <kwwii> Riddell: so can I simply change the last stuff I pushed and then commit?
[12:47] <kwwii> or do I need to checkout extra?
[12:47] <Riddell> kwwii: sure
[12:48] <Riddell> do a bzr update
[12:48] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, done
[12:48] <kwwii> can you check the changes?
[12:49] <kwwii> it should be two pixmaps and a .c file for the usplash
[12:54] <Riddell> kwwii: it hasn't appeared, you must have a branch rather than a checkout, do a bzr push
[12:55] <kwwii> Riddell: should I do a dch -i first?
[12:55] <Riddell> kwwii: if you haven't already added a changelog entry yes
[12:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: amarok: http://packages.ryanak.ca/dists/ryan-feisty/kde/
[12:57] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, doing so now...next time I will simply checkout the repo and then commit
[12:57] <kwwii> erm, error...I'll checkout a new version and make my changes
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: what did I mess up with the changelogs last time?
[01:05] <Riddell> kwwii: nothing, the bzr archive was out of sync with the .deb archive
[01:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: -0ubuntu2 is an old version, feisty is currently on -0ubuntu5
[01:06] <ryanakca> really?
[01:06] <ryanakca> hmm...
[01:06] <Riddell> a debdiff is fine
[01:08] <ryanakca> kk
[01:08] <kwwii> Riddell: commit done
[01:08] <pusling> Riddell: is feisty frozen ?
[01:09] <Riddell> pusling: for new upstreams it's quite icey
[01:09] <pusling> okay. else I would have said: please sync kde-style-polyester from experimental
[01:10] <kwwii> pusling: good reason to do so?
[01:11] <pusling> kwwii: if frozen, no.  else it is a bump from 1.0~beta1 to 1.0 stable (unless someone have been updating out of sync with debian)
[01:11] <Riddell> we currently have 1.0-0ubuntu1
[01:11] <pusling> okay then someone might have been syncing in stuff.
[01:12] <pusling> Riddell: does it build-depend on inkscape ?
[01:12] <Riddell> so it's up to date, and we'll sync back when feisty+1 opens
[01:12] <Riddell> pusling: not as far as I know
[01:12] <kwwii> lol, if it did we would have much less problems with oxygen
[01:12] <Riddell> I suspect I'd have noticied if it did
[01:12] <pusling> if ppc is a ubuntu arch, I would consider you looking at my changes.
[01:13] <pusling> http://mirror.pusling.com/polyester/
[01:13] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get a chance to look at the kubuntu-docs package (debdiff) for Edgy?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> heya pusling!
[01:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is Adeodato Sim a kubuntu/ubuntu dev? or a Debian one?
[01:14] <nixternal> hola people!
[01:14] <pusling> ryanakca: debian. (but currently vacating)
[01:14] <pusling> hey Hobbsee
[01:14] <nixternal> I love how Kontact freezes for about a minute while downloading my email
[01:14] <nixternal> it is so cool
[01:14] <Hobbsee> gah, silly work.  if you need to call me back in 5 mins to tell me when my shift is, and it ends up being in 15 min, then i'm going to be late!
[01:15] <ryanakca> then should I update the Maintainer field of amarok's control? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html
[01:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol
[01:15] <Riddell> pusling: added to my todo, thanks
[01:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: have fun
[01:15] <kwwii> Hobbsee: have fun at work
[01:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[01:15] <kwwii> get going or you'll be even later
[01:16] <Riddell> nixternal: looking
[01:16] <pusling> ryanakca: it is still dato who is doing amarok, he is having a temporary vacation replacement, but he is expected back sometime in the future.
[01:16] <pusling> ryanakca: in debian.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hehe, yep.
[01:16] <kwwii> Riddell: at least launchpad shows my changes, so I guess it will not mess anything up :p
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: my work really isnt very smart, sometimes
[01:16] <Hobbsee> yay, work's not for another hour adn 15 mins :)
[01:17] <ryanakca> pusling: kk, *points to the link*... We aren't supposed to have debian maintainers in our maintainer fields anymore...
[01:17] <pusling> ryanakca: nope. and that is nice.
[01:18] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yeah, as long as it has ubuntu in it
[01:19] <pusling> Hobbsee: if you are bored, you can prepare a new upstream version of serenity for me - and relibtoolize it as well ;)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> pusling: i'm not that bored.  i'm actually about to go search for some form of food - both now and for dinner
[01:20] <Riddell> pusling: did you look at KDE 4 packages by the way?
[01:21] <pusling> Riddell: not that much yet.  I am still figuring out what to do with cmake and all the weird -DFOOBAR
[01:21] <pusling> but I got libs building
[01:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/384337
[01:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: wait, you probably want this version: http://pastebin.ca/raw/384337
[01:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: could you put it not on a pastebin?  they always seem to change the line endings to windows style
[01:24] <nixternal> roger, I am gonna eat, bbiab
[01:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: the raw version is plaintext, but, sure, I'll stick it on my webserver
[01:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[01:25] <Riddell> nope, it definately has windows line endings
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: rafb.net/paste is fine, iirc
[01:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: your install-mp3 script still enables universe, but libxine1-ffmpeg is in main
[01:26] <ryanakca> ah
[01:27] <Riddell> so the whole enabling repositories stuff can go
[01:27] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: did you fix https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58617 too?
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58617 in amarok "Saying no to MP3 support on fresh install says that Amarok is now ready to support MP3" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:27] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: don't think os
[01:29] <kwwii> so once the new usplash stuff is in place, let me know how it looks - I think the progress bar is kinda different to what was in edgy (and/or anywhere else)
[01:29] <Riddell> nixternal: after applying your patch and compiling the package only has docs for en and C
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: I uploaded it if I didn't already say so
[01:30] <Riddell> right, all pending requests sorted, I can go to bed again :)
[01:30] <kwwii> Riddell: excellent, thanks
[01:31] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[01:31] <kwwii> time for bed here too
[01:35] <ryanakca> night kwwii, Riddell
[01:35] <kwwii> night ryanakca
[01:44] <Riddell> ah, freeflying
[01:44] <Riddell> freeflying: did you get my e-mail?
[01:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: for the morning or afternoon, or whenever you feel like it: http://blog.ryanak.ca/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu5-to-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[01:45] <freeflying> Riddelll: haven't yet. let me check now
[01:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: looks nice, but it'll be the morning
[01:46] <Riddell> freeflying: it said please test Qt 3.3.8 to make sure scim is still working
[01:47] <Riddell> freeflying: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-qt/ ./
[01:47] <Riddell> no powerpc packages I'm afraid
[01:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, thanks
[01:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: you aren't a core dev?
[01:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: maybe after UDS
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nope, only a MOTU
[01:47] <ryanakca> I've alwais thought you were...
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, it would be.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> night Riddell!
[01:48] <freeflying> Riddell: please sync skim from sid, skim lack of some patches and not lintian clean
[01:48] <Riddell> freeflying: added to my TODO
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[01:51] <ryanakca> Sometimes I just want to charge my iPod without mounting it...
[01:51] <ryanakca> If it gets auto mounted, I have to go threw the hassle of unmounting it in the morning before unplugging it
[01:51] <ryanakca> if you have a sluggish computer... meh 
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: we've got a nasty bug about the unmount dialog gone, which was what i was thinking of
[01:52] <lexual> anyone have an opinion on my ML post regarding quicklauncher?
[01:52] <ryanakca> floppies I would auto mount... that would save a bunch of questions/support requests
[01:53] <Hobbsee> lexual: i've looked, i'm thinking about it
[01:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[01:53] <ryanakca> (since people are so used to Windows automounting it, they get to linux and "Why is my floppy drive broken under linux?!?!?")
[01:53] <pusling> what's a floppy drive ?
[01:53] <lexual> wasn't sure if right step was to open a bug, or start ML discussion.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> lexual: ML's good
[01:54] <ryanakca> pusling: a drive that takes 3" diskettes... if that doesn't help you, Google it :D
[01:54] <Hobbsee> lexual: seeing as everyone's on it
[01:54] <Hobbsee> lexual: might be worth having nixternal put it into the release notes as a new feature.
[01:56] <pusling> ryanakca: oh. antiques ;)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ancient things.  neither of my past 2 computers have them.
[01:57] <ryanakca> pusling: yeah... I coulndn't find any new computers that had one the other day when shopping for my new one
[01:57] <ryanakca> pusling: I wonder if I can somehow get chessmaster 2000 of one of those real floppy floppies...
[01:58] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I use them... backup my ~/.gnupg and stick it in firesafe... and for taking stuff to school... (people have fun breaking the usb ports on the back of the computers..)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah yes,  i need to do that.
[02:00] <manchicken> Later folks.
[02:00] <ryanakca> night manchicken
[02:30] <freeflying> Riddell: scim and skim can work, only using xim
[02:35] <freeflying> Riddell: but not very stable
[02:46] <jjesse> i'm thinking about taking the plunge and upgrading to fiesty :)
[02:46] <jjesse> is the upgrader working yet?
[03:07] <nixternal> Riddell: I will take a look at it, I thought that was the correct patch, maybe it wasn't
[03:07] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[03:08] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[03:49] <kubuntero> Hello
[03:51] <kubuntero> Is it possible to mount my / partion to be used by the Live CD?
[04:20] <jjesse> only 4 hours and 27 minutes remaining to my upgrade
[04:21] <jjesse> so far the upgrade manager is working great
[04:56] <nixternal> 4hrs and 27minutes?
[04:56] <nixternal> whoa
[04:59] <manchicken_> Took me a while to do feisty upgrade.
[05:00] <nixternal> hrmm, I need to replace my GPLv3 t-shirt, but the FSF only has black up to XL
[05:01] <nixternal> I thought real men were hackers, not 12yo kids
[05:01] <manchicken> heh
[05:02] <nixternal> playin' with the dog and he grabbed a mouth fool and ripped the front right off
[10:16] <sebas> The apport reports are extremely useless, at least for displayconfig.
[10:22] <Lure> sebas: why?
[10:22] <sebas> No python trace in there, the rest of the information is not useful.
[10:22] <sebas> For displayconfig for example, I'd need python trace, and output of displayconfig-bugreport to be able to judge
[10:23] <sebas> This way it says no more: It crashed, somewhere, somehow.
[10:43] <_StefanS_> hello
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hmm I'm having some issues with knetworkmanager. When I have connected to the wireless network, and want to go back to wired mode, the menu does not display "Wired Networks" like it used to
[10:47] <_StefanS_> hmm I'm going to check the source
[10:51] <_StefanS_> seems to be related to the e1000 having a en eeprom error
[10:53] <Riddell> sebas: there should be python backtraces, but maybe because it's a kcontrol module it can't get to it
[10:55] <sebas> Might be, I didn't actually check how it works, I'm only getting useless emails
[11:01] <larsivi> still having problems updating feisty - wrong nice value for debconf when setting up x11-common 1:7.2-0ubuntu4
[11:11] <Riddell> sebas: this one has a python backtrace https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/87381
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87381 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:12] <Riddell> and this one looks like the problem is in an X library https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/89663
[11:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89663 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:16] <sebas> Riddell: The first one is actually interesting, I get the same on my system, but have been ignoring it.
[11:16] <Riddell> :)
[11:17] <sebas> I looked at the SIGSEV one, when stating that it's useless, btw.
[11:17] <sebas> It'd be interesting to investigate, though.
[11:17] <sebas> I know that sometimes we segfault when importing the xf86misc module.
[11:23] <_StefanS_> larsivi: I have the same problem
[11:23] <_StefanS_> larsivi: whiptail then consumes 100% cpu
[11:28] <_StefanS_> hmm the commandline version of debconf does the same.. it might be related to a bug in debconf or the packages
[12:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anything I can do for you while at school today?
[01:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: triage lots of bugs?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i got my passport, btw :)
[01:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: excellent
[01:14] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[01:21] <_Sime_> "lspci" output in apport would be useful for displayconfig.
[02:50] <larsivi> the xorg packages now installed fine
[03:01] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:02] <dinosaur-rus> was there any package updates since yesterday?
[03:29] <dinosaur-rus> kcmshell seems to be buggy
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[04:09] <kdefreak> can someone unban me from #ubuntu-bugs, please?
[04:10] <apokryphos> kdefreak: ping coleSLAW, dholbach or Seveas
[04:11] <apokryphos> dholbach is possibly around
[04:28] <kdefreak> Riddell: have anything to do?
[04:39] <Riddell> kdefreak: triage lots of bugs?
[04:39] <bddebian> :-)
[04:40] <sredna> hello
[04:40] <sredna> the startkde script in feisty doesn't run my KDEDIR/env/*.sh scripts
[04:41] <kdefreak> Riddell: lol, currently doing that
[04:42] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:48] <Jucato> hi imbrandon!
[04:58] <kubuntuero> kwwii: what is the disadvantages of a vector over raster?
[04:59] <Jucato> O.o
[04:59] <kubuntuero> Jucato: Hiya
[04:59] <sredna> i get checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:59] <sredna> i did install the qt headers and development files
[04:59] <kubuntuero> Jucato: what was the factiod for warning against tor again?
[05:00] <Jucato> sredna: libqt3-mt-dev ?
[05:01] <sredna> Jucato: moment, let me see, the files are split in so many atomic parts it's hard to get what to install
[05:02] <kubuntuero> Jucato: Thanks
[05:03] <sredna> that is installed
[05:03] <sredna> maybe it is a problem with QTDIR
[05:03] <sredna> yes
[05:05] <kwwii> kubuntuero: you can scale vector pics, and change things
[05:06] <kwwii> I would say that vector pics are more flexible than pixmaps
[05:06] <kubuntuero> kwwii: Thats a disadvantage?
[05:07] <kwwii> no, those are advantages :-)
[05:07] <kubuntuero> I'm looking for disadvantages :)
[05:07] <kwwii> the only disadvantage that I know of is that you cannot click on super-nifty filters and make effects that you do not understand
[05:07] <kubuntuero> ha ha That's sort of what we said. thanks :)
[05:08] <kwwii> in the end, pixmaps are easier for people who do not know what they want to draw
[05:08] <kubuntuero> Reasonable
[05:09] <kwwii> also, for very very small pics pixmaps are simply better
[05:10] <kwwii> as very small pics only have a few pixels it is very hard to create good vectors that render very small (it is more a point of tricking the renderer into doing what you want)
[05:10] <kubuntuero> Yeah I saw a 20x20 high detail vector map of the world
[05:10] <kubuntuero> Was huuuuuge
[05:10] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: may be bad checking method? it should be done through pkg-config, package "qt-mt"
[05:10] <yuriy> would "you can't take a photograph in vectors" count?
[05:11] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: na, it was an error on my side
[05:11] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: QTDIR isn't used in Kubuntu
[05:12] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: it's not needed
[05:12] <sredna> this code is not coming from kubuntu
[05:12] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: oh
[05:12] <mhb> kwwii: hi, I tried the usplash update today and it didn't show any splash at all, but I guess somebody already told you
[05:12] <sredna> setting qtdir fixed my problem
[05:12] <mhb> I mean the one in the morning/yesterday later
[05:12] <sredna> butthe code doesn't compile, it's probably too old
[05:12] <kwwii> mhb: someone should enter a bug
[05:13] <kwwii> mhb: I doubt that it has anything to do with the pics
[05:13] <mhb> kwwii: but is that known?
[05:13] <dinosaur-rus> mhb: is splash enabled in grub options?
[05:13] <kwwii> mhb: I have no idea
[05:13] <mhb> kwwii: I mean the splash worked fine yesterday
[05:14] <mhb> kwwii: as I told you the progress bar should be larger
[05:14] <mhb> but in the morning I updated and suddenly there was no usplash at all
[05:14] <kwwii> mhb: yes, and I updated that last night
[05:14] <kwwii> ouch
[05:14] <kwwii> that is not good
[05:14] <mhb> I remember the system saying something like "no suitable usplash for the resolution" or something
[05:14] <mhb> I'll check the logs
[05:15] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: what compilation errors do get?
[05:15] <dinosaur-rus> *you
[05:15] <kwwii> mhb: that sucks...let me check it out as well
[05:16] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: undefined variables, probably due to changes in uic
[05:17] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: Qt3 includes are in /usr/include/qt3
[05:18] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: that is not really the problem
[05:19] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: what's the screensaver you're trying to compile?
[05:19] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: kslidesavergl
[05:20] <sredna> but it appears to be broken
[05:21] <mhb> kwwii: is there a way to see the usplash without rebooting?
[05:21] <mhb> kwwii: for testing purposes
[05:22] <kwwii> mhb: yes, you can call the splash somehow...not quite sure how
[05:22] <kubuntuero> mhb: Nope just switch on Windows mode
[05:22] <kubuntuero> :-)
[05:22] <mhb> kwwii: I found the message
[05:22] <mhb> usplash: no usable theme found for 1024x768
[05:24] <kwwii> freaky, I seriously don't get it
[05:24] <kwwii> there is a pic
[05:24] <kwwii> and that size is in the config
[05:24] <sredna> ah, naming errors
[05:30] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: to not worry about QTDIR, run "./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3"
[05:30] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: really?
[05:31] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: :)
[05:31] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: because i appear to have qt in /usr/share/qt3
[05:32] <sredna> ah, its copied, or linked
[05:32] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: if you look there, you'll find lots of symlinks to actual Qt3 files
[05:33] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: it's not really important, i just set QTDIR for now, and gets the thing to compile
[05:33] <sredna> if i care fix it's remaining issues
[05:33] <sredna> it seems uic overwrites some files or something
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: why do you need that old screensaver?
[05:33] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: i just wanted to see it
[05:34] <sredna> and there is no gl slideshow screensaver installed here
[05:34] <sredna> there is a gl slideshow in KIPI, but it's not very interresting
[05:34] <kwwii> Riddell: what mistake did I make with the usplash? :-)
[05:35] <kwwii> ie what did I inapropriately capitalize?
[05:36] <Riddell> kwwii: the first letter of the sentence :)
[05:37] <kwwii> which sentence?
[05:37] <Riddell> in the changelog
[05:37] <Riddell> bzr diff oldno..newno reveals all
[05:37] <kwwii> lol
[05:37] <kwwii> well, I screwed something even bigger up
[05:37] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: try to download tarball from http://www.linspire.com/kslidesavergl, "Specifications" tab. it has x86 pre-compiled executable
[05:38] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: :)
[05:39] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: I couldn't find anything better :) it seems that kslidesavergl doesn't have its homepage
[05:40] <dinosaur-rus> sredna: http://software.linspire.com/pool-src/k/kslidesavergl/kslidesavergl_0.7-1.0.0.50.linspire0.8.tar.gz
[05:44] <nixternal> any of today's updates going to break my computer and cuss under my breath? :)
[05:44] <nixternal> moin moin kubudevz
[05:45] <yuriy_> can somebody explain "moin" to me? seems a bit of a stretch from "morning" lol
[05:45] <sredna> dinosaur-rus: thank you, but it doesn't work. as you say, old :;)
[05:46] <sredna> yuriy_: it's a northern german/southern danish greeting
[05:46] <sredna> it means 'hi'
[05:46] <yuriy_> i always thought it meant morning since people say hi in the morning
[05:46] <mhb> sredna: well, it's not popular just there
[05:47] <mhb> sredna: nixternal is american :o)
[05:47] <nixternal> yuriy_: I have no clue, somebody starting it up, but it is easier than typing Good Morning Kubuntu Developers :)
[05:47] <kwwii> time to cook dinner
[05:47] <kwwii> bbl
[05:48] <nixternal> mhb: that isn't true, because I learned it from this channel (i.e., Hobbsee, imbrandon, and others)
[05:48] <nixternal> kwwii: !!!oxygen is rocking!!!
[05:48] <Alpha_Cluster> ive seen moin on a few channels
[05:49] <seele> digikam isn't in feisty?
[05:49] <seele> (or did i install it afterwards and forget?)
[05:49] <sredna> mhb: kde has a quite strong german base, so 'moin' is popular in many kde circles :)
[05:49] <mhb> nixternal: Hobbsee is Australian, imbrandon is also american ... not many people from north Germany
[05:49] <Alpha_Cluster> seele: not in default (Least i dont have it)
[05:50] <nixternal> moin moin moin moin ;p
[05:50] <seele> Alpha_Cluster: ok, i wasn't sure
[05:50] <Alpha_Cluster> nixternal: god your having to much fun
[05:50] <Alpha_Cluster> actually moin is ohw my alarm sounds for telling me its time to goto bed ;)
[05:50] <nixternal> now that I have my Feisty work turned in and complete, it is time to start having some fun
[05:52] <Riddell> nixternal: did you see the problem with the edgy docs patch?
[05:53] <nixternal> I am trying to figure that out Riddell. Hopefully have a patch that works today
[05:53] <nixternal> for some reason I can't use the translation scheme we used in dapper for edgy
[05:55] <nixternal> is the kubuntu-artwork-usplash the updated, awesome looking one?
[05:56] <mhb> nixternal: you don't like it?
[05:56] <nixternal> the new one I do, but I haven't seen it locally yet. I just noticed an update for usplash today, so that is why I asked
[05:57] <mhb> nixternal: yes, it should be the usplash you expect
[05:57] <mhb> nixternal: however, there has been some issues with it - at least I do experience the issues :o)
[06:09] <dinosaur-rus> were update-grub script customized for Kubuntu?
[06:10] <dinosaur-rus> s/were/was
[06:10] <mhb> I didn't hear of that
[06:11] <dinosaur-rus> just I'd like to change the format for entries in order to not have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst each time that script is called
[06:11] <Riddell> no
[06:12] <dinosaur-rus> may be make some sort of configuration file for such things?
[06:12] <mhb> dinosaur-rus: I'll try to make sure the update-grub script will be much more intelligent for feisty+1
[06:13] <mhb> my configuration tool for feisty didn't get in because the update-grub script is kind of blocking it
[06:14] <dinosaur-rus> mhb: ok
[06:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: bug 57102 would be good if you're looking for something to work on
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu 6.06 locale problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57102
[06:18] <dinosaur-rus> why do KDE development packages have so many dependencies?
[06:19] <dinosaur-rus> oops... adept_manager has crashed
[06:19] <Riddell> because KDE makes good use of libraries
[06:30] <nixternal> mhb: when you say issues with usplash, do you mean like there isn't a usplash anymore? this update totally killed usplash for me
[06:31] <Riddell> anyone else getting lots of javascript errors in KHTML?
[06:32] <nixternal> Riddell: on any page?
[06:33] <mhb> nixternal: yep
[06:33] <mhb> nixternal: that's exactly what I'm (not) getting
[06:33] <nixternal> mhb: ya, my usplash is gone as well, I just checked the symlinks and they are all good
[06:33] <nixternal> oh, I wonder if usplash.conf is goofy
[06:33] <nixternal> nope, it looks good as well
[06:33] <sredna> why, when i install kmplayer, doesn't it appear in the app listings for viedeo mimetypes??
[06:34] <nixternal> Riddell: I haven't seen a javascript error as of yet
[06:36] <dinosaur-rus> am I the only one here who doesn't use usplash?
[06:36] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[06:38] <nixternal> dinosaur-rus: I usually don't as well, only during testing
[06:38] <nixternal> I need to see what is crashing in the background as I boot up ;p
[06:38] <Riddell> hola icefox
[06:38] <icefox> hola
[06:38] <dinosaur-rus> nixternal: :))
[06:39] <_Sime_> icefox finds Sime
[06:39] <icefox> _Sime_: Riddell says that you are the guy who hacks on system settings from time to time, is this correcT?
[06:39] <_Sime_> icefox: true, although someone else added the new tabs for Feisty BTW.
[06:40] <icefox> well in the about dialog it currently only lists me as the author and maintainer, concidering that I havn't touched it in two years or so I don't think that is very accurate.
[06:40] <icefox> I would like have added the current maintainer
[06:41] <nixternal> heh, manchicken is modest, didn't even add himself to the about :)
[06:41] <icefox> also bugs.kde.org currently has 21 system settings (lots are to the modules) tasks.  I would like to reassign these
[06:41] <icefox> and change the e-mail contact to the new maintainer
[06:41] <Riddell> there's less of a maintiner than people who have implemented odd changes
[06:41] <_Sime_> true.
[06:41] <_Sime_> does anyone else ship s-s?
[06:42] <Riddell> no
[06:42] <icefox> well it would be good to have someone be the front man even if they just delegate sense I have just let it kinda slip through the cracks
[06:42] <icefox> Riddell: but I have gotten requests from other distros
[06:42] <Riddell> oh?  who's that?
[06:42] <icefox> users want it, I just point them to svn
[06:42] <icefox> I would really like it if the package was put upstream to debian so I could use it too
[06:43] <Riddell> :)
[06:43] <icefox> anyway, _Sime_ would you like to be the front man for it?
[06:43] <Riddell> maybe allee or fabo could help with that
[06:43] <allee> mhmm?
[06:43] <icefox> Riddell: thanks, I would really apprechiate that
[06:44] <_Sime_> I don't mind.
[06:44] <Riddell> allee: system settings in debian?
[06:44] <Riddell> what's needed is someone to port it to KDE 4 (or sync the current KDE 4 port) and put it in kdebase
[06:44] <Riddell> which is a lot for anyone to do
[06:44] <icefox> I ported it
[06:45] <icefox> it is in branches somewhere
[06:45] <Riddell> but there will be lots of changes that need synced to that port
[06:45] <icefox> but that was a while ago
[06:45] <_Sime_> icefox: you can send bugs to simon@simonzone.com
[06:45] <icefox> yup
[06:45] <Riddell> I don't even know how kcontrol works in KDE 4 now, the xdg menu stuff is gone I believe
[06:45] <icefox> yah
[06:45] <icefox> it is a bit messy
[06:46] <icefox> what are kubuntu's kde4 plans?
[06:47] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan is what we wrote last october
[06:47] <allee> Riddell: ah, right they are in kde-extra repo.  Fabo manages it.   Heh, one commit by you ;)
[06:47] <Riddell> but mostly, package it and release when ready
[06:48] <icefox> I mean is it something that was ported today would just bitrot in svn for another 6 months
[06:48] <Riddell> allee: but it hasn't been uploaded?
[06:48] <allee> Riddell: oh, really?
[06:48] <nixternal> PCLinuxOS, is that a Debian spin-off or a Kubuntu spin-off?
[06:48] <Riddell> allee: well, packages.debian.org doesn't show it
[06:48] <Riddell> nixternal: debian
[06:48] <yuriy> about kde4 plans, any clue when the next LTS is?
[06:48] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[06:48] <Riddell> icefox: maybe, but it has to be ported sometime and leaving it to the last minute wouldn't help
[06:49] <Riddell> yuriy: no (I do worry it'll be at the same time as our first kde 4 release)
[06:49] <nixternal> we have to rock KDE 4 that is for sure
[06:49] <nixternal> Fedora is doing something like KDEPush or something in order to have a solid KDE desktop for KDE 4
[06:49] <_Sime_> nixternal: PCLinuxOS was a Mandriva spin off.
[06:50] <nixternal> it isn't to shabby out of the box - synaptic lovers though
[06:50] <yuriy> Riddell: yeah that's what i feel will happen. i imagine feisty+1 with kde3 would be by far the most stable kubuntu for a while
[06:50] <allee> Riddell isn't system settings the kde-guidance pkgs?  it's in debian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kde-guidance
[06:51] <Riddell> allee: no, it's kde-systemsettings
[06:51] <_Sime_> allee: nope
[06:51] <yuriy> heh
[06:51] <yuriy> btw is there a way we can put some sort of disclaimer about that when people file bugs?
[06:51] <icefox> _Sime_: a lot of the current system settings task are really module bugs.  For the most part just find out which module/author owns it and then reassign
[06:52] <yuriy> lots of systemsettings/kdebase/kde-guidance/(kdeadmin?) stuff gets mixed up
[06:53] <Alpha_Cluster> kwwii: what happend to usplash?
[06:53] <dinosaur-rus> is it safe to remove "openoffice.org" package if I don't need all of OO components?
[06:54] <nixternal> Alpha_Cluster: you like the new usplash? It is the new invisible logo :D
[06:54] <Alpha_Cluster> the text logo you mean
[06:54] <nixternal> lol
[06:56] <mhb> Alpha_Cluster: don't worry, kwwii knows about that bug
[06:56] <mhb> both I and nixternal can confirm it
[06:57] <Alpha_Cluster> ok i assumed so but felt a need to anyways... just in case
[06:58] <icefox> yuriy: so there are file conflicts to getting system settings in debian?
[06:59] <Riddell> no
[06:59] <Riddell> just needs a debian person to do it
[06:59] <icefox> ah :P
[07:00] <Alpha_Cluster> Hey does anyone else have a hard time going on launchpad with konqueror on default?
[07:00] <yuriy> icefox: no, i was talking about bug reports
[07:00] <icefox> ah, yes
[07:01] <yuriy> what exactly is in kdeadmin anyways
[07:02] <icefox> ksysv, kpackage, kuser, knetworkconf, kcron
[07:02] <icefox> oh and kdat, kcron is really the only thing I have ever used
[07:04] <yuriy> hmm so knetworkconf is the only part that's in kubuntu
[07:05] <yuriy> er or not
[07:05] <Riddell> it is
[07:05] <Riddell> as is kcron
[07:05] <yuriy> oh it's kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[07:06] <icefox> ok, heading home to dinner, _Sime_ feel free to modify the about data and add yourself as the maintainer, allee if you can push systemsettings upstream I would very much apprechiate it, Riddell I will put it down porting the app on my todo list (no this weekend, but at some time)
[07:07] <yuriy> i don't see kcron
[07:07] <Riddell> and the slip it into kdebase while nobody is looking
[07:07] <Riddell> it's in K-menu->System
[07:07] <Riddell> the UI is interesting
[07:08] <Riddell> although it's not significantly worse than window's scheduled tasks
[07:08] <yuriy> oh that. i was looking for a kcm
[07:13] <seele> Riddell: were you still interested in testing ubiquity?
[07:22] <allee> icefox: you can ask on #debian-qt-kde  (irc.oftc.net).  There are the debian KDE guys.  I can take care about the debina-kubuntu interaction, if a DD shows interest.
[07:31] <Riddell> hi seele, I am yes
[07:33] <seele> ok.. i'm back over here
[07:33] <seele> Riddell: just ubiquity or the entire installation process?
[07:34] <seele> (i was thinking adept would be a good candidate too.. but since ellen already wrote a spec i will leave it alone)
[07:37] <Riddell> ubiquity is the only part of the install process I can change
[07:37] <Riddell> seele: also feedback on the new dist-upgrade tool would be good
[07:39] <yuriy> Riddell: wrt ubiquity usability, did you see my note about funny sized text boxes?
[07:39] <yuriy> i tried to get the .ui and change it but couldn't get them to be the same size
[07:40] <Riddell> yuriy: don't think I did
[07:41] <yuriy> Riddell: on the user information page, every text box is a different size and the full name box is much smaller than the username box
[07:42] <Riddell> I thought I fixed that recently
[07:42] <yuriy> Riddell: maybe, that was herd 4
[07:42] <Riddell> I think it was after that
[08:58] <Lure> Riddell: danny is lobbying for kpowersave again: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html
[09:00] <fdoving> Lure: how is kpowersave 0.7.2?
[09:00] <Lure> fdoving: working nicely
[09:00] <Lure> fdoving: I still do not like complexity of user interface
[09:01] <Lure> fdoving: most users are not interested in schemas
[09:01] <fdoving> guidance-power-manager is nice to me.
[09:01] <Lure> fdoving: and naming is confusing (Powersave & Performance is used for both scheme and cpu freq policy)
[09:02] <Lure> fdoving: I will respond to Danny
[09:02] <Lure> fdoving: main benefit is that it uses HAL events, which we cannot as PyQt3 does not support them - so guidance is polling
[09:02] <fdoving> ah.
[09:02] <fdoving> polling isn't that nice.
[09:03] <Lure> fdoving: exactly, but the load is not that bad, but it for sure impacts battery life
[09:03] <fdoving> so will pyqt4 support this?
[09:03] <Lure> fdoving: not much, but when we will go to tickless kernel (I hope with feisty+1), it may be much more noticable
[09:04] <Lure> fdoving: it does support it in current snapshot, but it was too late (end of january) that we could rewrite all kde dependancies to plain qt4
[09:04] <Lure> fdoving: we decided with sebas that stability is better for feisty
[09:04] <fdoving> i totaly agree.
[09:22] <Lure> sebas, Riddell: I have posted my response to Danny's blog
[09:28] <Riddell> Lure: who's he?
[09:28] <Lure> Riddell: author of kpowersave, from opensuse
[09:29] <Lure> Riddell: he helped a lot on KubuntuPowersave testing when we evaluated it for edgy...
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: libkexiv2 still stuck in NEW queue... :-(
[09:36] <Lure> Riddell: and is upgrade tool ready for another try?
[09:39] <Riddell> Lure: seb said he'd be doing NEW queue today but doesn't seem to have
[09:40] <Riddell> Lure: pitti said he'd get the dist-upgrade packages into edgy-proposed but doesn't seem to have done that either
[09:40] <Riddell> oh well, gives me something to put in my weekly report I support
[09:40] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I am sure they were busy with other stuff before beta...
[09:40] <Riddell> suppose
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: be nice to them... ;-)
[09:54] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I fixed a problem in the usplash config file (I hope)
[10:08] <Riddell> kwwii: what was up?
[10:08] <kwwii> Riddell: to be quite honest I have no idea
[10:09] <kwwii> but for now I have reverted most of the changes
[10:09] <kwwii> the only thing that is different to the last version that worked (the one from edgy) is like 8 coordinates so it should not make a problem
[10:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: amarok changes ok?
[10:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: well, I uploaded them :)
[10:10] <ryanakca> lol, kk
[10:10] <kwwii> Riddell: what I really don't get is that the same config file works fine with ubuntu
[10:17] <makkes> Hello
[10:18] <makkes> Does anyone here know, how Kubuntu displays the dialogs in KDE when I press the "Brightness" button on my laptop?
[10:19] <makkes> It seems that hal calls /usr/share/hal/hal-system-lcd-set-brightness
[10:19] <hunger> makkes: IIRC that is called milo. Not sure though.
[10:19] <Lure> makkes: kmilo
[10:19] <makkes> Thank you guys!
[10:20] <makkes> I was searching for that the last 2 or so hours. :)
[10:24] <makkes> And from where is kmilo called?
[10:24] <makkes> I mean when the brightness changes e.g.
[10:25] <Riddell> we change button presses into normal linux key events
[10:25] <Riddell> which go through layers to become normal X key events
[10:25] <Riddell> and kmilo has a global key accelarator set for that key
[10:30] <seele> Riddell: who is charge of the installation process if you can't change it?
[10:32] <Riddell> seele: kamion does the low level stuff
[10:32] <seele> is there an interest in feedback about the process in general?
[10:33] <Riddell> seele: I should think so yes
[10:33] <seele> kamion is his irc nick?
[10:34] <Lure> seele: cjwatson
[10:34] <seele> Lure: ok thanks
[10:34] <Riddell> depends what mood he's in
[10:39] <seele> hum, that doesnt sound encouraging ;P
[10:43] <Lure> Riddell: he is always in good mood and I have not seen use of Kamion nick for some time... ;-)
[10:44] <ajmitch> Lure: in  good mood as long as you're not annoying & asking silly questions :)
[10:45] <seele> ajmitch: like asking if evaluating the install process with user testing?
[10:45] <seele> (.. is a good idea)
[10:45] <Lure> ajmitch: I think that is an issue for anyone - just the trigger level is different ;-)
[10:45] <ajmitch> seele: more like bugging him every day about stuff that's clearly documented
[10:45] <seele> ok good, hehe
[10:45] <ajmitch> I
[10:45] <Lure> seele: you should be more than fine
[10:45] <ajmitch> I'm sure he'd welcome some testing & feedback
[10:45] <Lure> seele: didn't you met him at uds-mtv?
[10:46] <seele> Lure: perhaps?  there were a lot of people there :)
[10:46] <Lure> seele: there was some ubiquity usability going on...
[10:46] <Lure> ajmitch: ditto ;-)
[10:46] <ajmitch> Lure: I met you briefly, at least :)
[11:00] <seele> hmm.. seems like install process is a go
[11:04] <mhb> good evening
[11:04] <mhb> kwwii: did you manage to squish that usplash bug?
[11:05] <kwwii> mhb: yes, I think so
[11:05] <mhb> kwwii: great
[11:07] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey, how come usplash doesn't have a theme anymore ? :)
[11:07] <kwwii> someone should test it and see if it works
[11:07] <kwwii> _StefanS_: because of some reason I cannot find
[11:07] <_StefanS_> ow
[11:07] <kwwii> yeah
[11:07] <kwwii> so I reverted most of the changes
[11:08] <kwwii> but left a few (the part about using a bigger progress bar at 1024x768 and bigger)
[11:08] <kwwii> but someone needs to test it and see if it works
[11:08] <kwwii> as my machines do not boot at that resolution anyway
[11:08] <_StefanS_> what is needed to test 1024x768
[11:08] <_StefanS_> heh the theme from top gun is on sky.fm
[11:09] <_StefanS_> kwwii: lemme me test it
[11:10] <mhb> kwwii: I can test it, too
[11:10] <kwwii> mhb: check launchpad, it should appear there
[11:11] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[11:11] <_StefanS_> got any idea on that shutdown, not displaying until the very last 20%  ?
[11:11] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I think that is something else
[11:11] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yes, it sure is - but maybe you had an idea (?) :)
[11:12] <kwwii> sounds simply like X is being killed way too late, or the hook to start displaying the usplash is set too late
[11:13] <kwwii> no idea really
[11:13] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.. maybe it will be fixed someday
[11:13] <kwwii> does ubuntu have the same bug?
[11:13] <_StefanS_> yes
[11:13] <kwwii> whew!
[11:13] <_StefanS_> I found a bug report on edgy
[11:13] <_StefanS_> exactly the same stuff
[11:14] <yuriy> yeah it happened on edgy but i thought it was fixed
[11:14] <kwwii> if it is since edgy, it is a known issue
[11:14] <_StefanS_> yes....
[11:14] <_StefanS_> so it has more focus then ? 8-)
[11:16] <_StefanS_> yuriy: good luck
[11:16] <yuriy> it would be soo much nicer if it was in the desktop. they should just port basket to the desktop and call it plasma :D
[11:17] <_StefanS_> heh, sure hope they will recode the graphics part, cause thats just really slow .. takes 100% cpu while resizing widgets and stuff
[11:17] <Alpha_Cluster> yuriy:why not jsut6 save your baskets to desktop?
[11:18] <yuriy> can you? would that just be a file?
[11:18] <Alpha_Cluster> yuriy: well yeh it would just be a file but it would open to basket from desktop,,, which is a bit closer
[11:18] <yuriy> i tried dragging one out and it just makes a text file. i want the widgets!
[11:18] <Alpha_Cluster> lol no widgets yet why dont you make some ;)
[11:19] <yuriy> i wouldn't want to duplicate the plasma team's efforts :P i really do think basket is a good start on what plasma should be like
[11:20] <Alpha_Cluster> yuriy: i dont think they are working together though.. though i think basKet is supposed to just stay as a Kontact/standalone program
[11:20] <mhb> there is a kubuntu-bugs?
[11:21] <mhb> oh, no #kubuntu-bugs
[11:21] <yuriy> mhb: it's an ml
[11:21] <yuriy> i think it's for kubuntu team's packages on launchpad
[11:23] <yuriy> i might be wrong though, or it might be obsolete. but I started out triaging by subscribing and looking at that list
[11:23] <yuriy> about a year ago
[11:23] <yuriy> decided to resubscribe for hug day to see how it goes
[11:27] <mhb> kwwii: tested
[11:27] <mhb> kwwii: seems fine
[11:27] <mhb> kwwii: at least when I do "usplash -c" in the console; didn't try to restart the machine, but that should be okay
[11:27] <kwwii> mhb: excellent
[11:28] <kwwii> was the progress bar bigger?
[11:28] <mhb> it was
[11:29] <kwwii> and is that better?
[11:29] <mhb> sure
[11:29] <mhb> it's okay for me
[11:29] <mhb> great work
[11:56] <yuriy> _StefanS_: would it be possible to get rid of the tiny little corners on the shutdown dialog?
[11:56] <yuriy> looks like maybe the frame should be turned off
[11:56] <_StefanS_> yuriy: well probably.. is it the frame.. well I was just writing that
[11:57] <yuriy> yeah there's the frame and then there's like 1 pixel outside of it on each cornver
[11:57] <yuriy> *corner
[11:57] <_StefanS_> yuriy: ah you mean because they are not transparent
[11:57] <_StefanS_> i see.
[11:57] <_StefanS_> I will write a note and fix it.
[11:58] <yuriy> _StefanS_: thanks :) it's nitpicking, of course
[11:58] <_StefanS_> yuriy: its ok, minor details strike my eyes every so often also
[11:59] <_StefanS_> yuriy: it seems like it is because the dialog is drawn before the fade begins, and thus have not the right colors for the corners.
[11:59] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I think its because the style fakes the transparency
[12:01] <_StefanS_> night