sistpotyhm... should the original maintainer mangling be done for SRU's as well?12:16
jdong_that's what she said.12:17
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rbrunhuberMithrandir: Is there any possibility to get in touch with the ubuntu bluetooth team by irc?12:21
Sp4rKyi think there is no casper expert ?12:24
jdong_Sp4rKy: there certainly is a casper god here :)12:24
Sp4rKyok, so12:25
Sp4rKyin the 10adduser script, i add this line12:25
jdong_no no, not me12:25
jdong_I meant c-j-w-a-t-s-o-n :)12:26
jdong_but I'm very flattered :D12:26
Sp4rKyprintf "foobar" >> "/root/home/$USERNAME/file"12:26
jdong_I'm just an annoying prick here who whines about bugs :)12:26
Sp4rKyand this command doesn't produce any result12:26
Sp4rKyany idea ?12:27
jdong_I wouldn't know12:27
jdong_I haven't messed with that aspect of ubuntu (casper) at all12:27
Sp4rKycjwatson is sleeping ?12:27
Sp4rKyso, i'll come back tomorrow12:29
jdong_just busy in general :)12:29
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jdong_don't worry, he hasn't talked to me in weeks either :)12:29
implDoes anyone here feel like fixing the PHP package, since it's both broken and CVE-2007-0906 isn't actually resolved?12:30
Sp4rKyjdong_: pl12:31
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Wombertcould someone listen to impl?01:05
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WombertI mean, you guys messed up not only your own PHP packages, but also debian's01:05
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mooeyWombert, hm?01:11
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Wombertimpl has the details01:12
Wombertyou forgot a changeset when porting back a fix01:12
Wombertor, rather, you ported a fix for an issue that wasn't there01:12
Wombertnow stream_get_wrappers() returns a list of stream wrappers, but with the last character missing01:12
Wombertaffects all php versions01:13
Wombertand sends someone crying for help to our channel or mailing list every five minutes01:13
mooeyWombert, is there a bug open on this issue?01:14
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sistpotykeescook: any idea about the php security upload Wombert is talking?01:16
keescookWombert, impl: thanks for the heads up, I'll take a look at it.01:17
sistpotygreat, thanks keescook01:17
implkeescook: http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/main/streams/streams.c?r1=
implThat's the missing changeset01:18
implI believe, anyway.01:18
keescookimpl: and I can test for the breakage/fix just by looking at stream_get_wrappers()'s output?01:19
keescookokay, cool.  Thanks!01:19
implIn a broken state, every item in the array will be truncated01:19
keescookahha, yup, found a bug on it, I'll track it here:01:20
UbugtuMalone bug 87481 in php5 "stream_get_wrappers broken in php5 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  01:20
implGood good01:21
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keescookimpl, Wombert: feel free to email security@ubuntu.com if you see these kinds of things in the future.  or say "regression" on this IRC channel -- i'll get pinged.  :)01:29
keescookbiiig ping01:29
Wombertdid you fix it?01:29
WombertI'll keep saying that :D01:29
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implWombert: Don't be an arse now :P01:38
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j1mchowdy somerville32_02:14
j1mcyou around?02:14
geserkeescook: any opinion on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413269 ?02:16
UbugtuDebian bug 413269 in wordpress "wordpress: Should not ship with Etch" [Serious,Open]  02:16
Wombertit's a pile of shit02:17
Wombertthrow it out02:17
keescookgeser: I use wordpress, and I think they're responsive, so I personally don't think it should be dropped, but it's not my call.02:17
geserthanks for your opinion02:19
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noahslaterDoes anyone here know anything about bash completion?02:21
sistpotywe cannot drop wordpress from an already released distribution easily... 02:21
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gesersistpoty: but it can be done for feisty if someone (who exactly? MC?) decides it02:23
sistpotygeser: sure02:24
noahslaterWhy would you drop wordpress?02:24
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sistpotynoahslater: a history of security issues02:25
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sistpotyKronuz_: please see the topic :P02:25
Kronuz_my Ubuntu box froze and I want to trace where the problem is02:26
keescookgeser: I don't see the point; they're responsive to fixes, so I don't see how wordpress is different from any other application with a lot of holes.  we don't drop firefox or php5.  :)02:26
noahslaterReally... that surprises me that there would be enought to justify that decision. Am I assuming you are dropping it from default or completely from the repos?02:26
Kronuz_so I figured this has to do with the development02:26
noahslaterkeescook, +102:26
keescookand as I see it, the Debian debate is about dropping it from Etch, not sid.02:26
keescookbut I could be wrong, I've sort of been covering my ears.  :)02:27
Kronuz_is it a known bug? 'cause I'm sure it's a bug, I found someone else this morning with the same problem. I'm using Ubuntu Edgy and in X everything froze, the only thing I can do is the mouse pointer (not even the keyboard is responding as to switch the console)02:28
Kronuz_still, the music was playing and is still playing okay02:28
Kronuz_and I can connect via ssh02:28
mjg59Kronuz_: Sadly, it's pretty much impossible to diagnose from that02:28
noahslaterOne of your applications hung your X server.02:28
Kronuz_but I have connection (ssh)02:28
noahslaterYou need to figure out which one.02:28
noahslaterYes, expected.02:28
Kronuz_and it's frozen right now02:29
mjg59Kronuz_: Ok. Attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg to a bug report on launchpad.net, please?02:29
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noahslaterIssue /etc/init.d/gdm restart to fix the problem.02:29
Kronuz_ok 02:29
sistpotykeescook: sure, I didn't state that it *will* get dropped, but only that we could in theory decide to drop it. 02:29
mjg59Kronuz_: No, don't do gdm restart yet02:29
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mjg59Otherwise it'll destroy the log data02:29
noahslaterGood point.02:29
geserkeescook: they are dropping it from the next release which is etch for Debian and feisty for Ubuntu. But if you say it won't be much problem to do security support for it I will believe you02:29
keescooksistpoty: yeah, for sure.  And I'd understand; it's needed a lot of attention.  :)02:29
Kronuz_'m a programmer, so maybe I can help to nail this once and for all02:30
Kronuz_(only I'm very new to Linux)02:30
sistpotygeser: personally my opinion is to not drop it, as long as we've got upstream support on patches02:30
noahslaterKronuz_, what you are describing is a very common problem with all kinds of applications.02:30
keescookgeser: well, if they drop it from etch, it won't automatically drop from feisty.02:30
sistpotygeser: however the real problem is that we need more manpower in motu-swat. once my thesis is finished... *dreaming*02:31
Kronuz_noahslater, what do you mean? this has happened to me three times already in two days02:31
noahslaterKronuz_, all that means is that you have a specific application that is causing problems.02:31
Kronuz_I'm using X, and suddenly everything freezes (but the mouse pointer)02:31
mjg59No, it's an X bug02:31
Kronuz_so maybe I could go killing applications until I get to the one with the problem?02:32
noahslaterReally... that happens to me sometimes - but it's usualy a misbehaving application.02:32
gesersistpoty: and we can't use the security updates from Debian as there won't be any. we have to do it on our own.02:32
sistpotygeser: yep. however from the few updates I've done testing is really what consumes most of the time, as long as the patches are somewhere/the description is good enough02:33
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Kronuz_I don't see anything wrong in dmesg or Xorg.log02:34
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Kronuz_no errors nor anything02:34
Kronuz_mjg59, what would you do next?02:34
Kronuz_top shows the player only (~5% of CPU)02:35
mjg59Kronuz_: Which X driver are you using?02:35
Kronuz_I'm using NVIDIA02:35
gesersistpoty: afaik WP has no changelog, so one needs to dig in the bugs and svn :(02:35
mjg59Heh. Not a great start.02:35
mjg59Kronuz_: It's likely to be an X driver bug, and we don't have the source code to the nvidia one available02:35
Kronuz_but this morning someone else was using ATI and had the exact same symptoms02:36
keescookgeser: at least it's svn and not cvs.  :)02:36
Kronuz_really a driver's bug? this morning the other guy I was talking with said he even got the frozen box once in the DesktopCD02:37
Kronuz_(also using Edgy)02:37
Kronuz_maybe it's a coincidence, tho' (the symptoms)02:37
Kronuz_can't I just go killing stuff? to see if it suddenly responds?02:38
Kronuz_but I wouldn't know what to kill :S02:38
Kronuz_(the audio player is working)02:38
Kronuz_mjg59, what do you think?02:39
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mjg59Kronuz_: It's a possibility02:39
Kronuz_I think I'll start killing Beryl02:42
Kronuz_I suppose it's 'beryl --skip-gl-yield'02:43
mjg59You're using Beryl?02:43
mjg59I blame Beryl.02:43
Kronuz_NVIDIA and Beryl02:43
Kronuz_but the keyboard?02:43
mjg59Entirely possible02:44
Kronuz_not even caps lock or num lock is doing anything (not even the leds in the kbd change)02:44
Kronuz_I'm killing Beryl now... or what was the other command to restore the other windows manager?02:44
Kronuz_I might try that first02:44
mjg59metacity --replace02:44
Kronuz_let me try that, ok?02:45
mjg59You'll need to export DISPLAY=:0 first02:45
sistpotygn8 everyone02:46
Kronuz_mjg59, nope, that command froze02:47
Kronuz_(had to ctrl+c it)02:47
Kronuz_and it did nothing on the other box02:47
Kronuz_mjg59, what would you do next?02:47
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mjg59I'd attempt to reproduce the bug without beryl and without using the nvidia drivers02:48
Kronuz_let me kill beryl-manager02:48
johanbrKronuz_: I'm seeing the same problem as you with an ATI card when running Beryl, so it's probably either a Beryl bug or an Xorg bug triggered by something that Beryl does.02:49
Kronuz_I see... it would be good to know tho'02:50
Kronuz_this guy I told you about this morning wasn't using Beryl tho'02:50
Kronuz_(he had an ATI card)02:50
johanbrI never see the bug under metacity.02:50
Kronuz_but I have NVIDIA, so I suppose that if it is the same bug it would leave Beryl and the card drivers out02:51
mjg59There's no indication that it's the same bug02:53
Kronuz_yeah, it could be a different one :(02:53
Kronuz_(the exact same symptoms tho')02:53
Kronuz_maybe if this is happening there should be some logging when that happens02:54
Kronuz_mjg59, okay I killed Beryl and it started working again02:55
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Kronuz_(no titlebars tho')02:55
Kronuz_so definitely is must be a Beryl issue02:55
johanbrIt first happened for me when the Xorg 7.2 updates started rolling in.02:55
mjg59Ok. We don't ship Beryl, so you get to keep the pieces.02:55
Kronuz_okay, thanks anyway... I guess I'll just have to wait and see if they fix this issue in Beryl02:56
Kronuz_but, hey, do you know if I can get a coredump or something from that process?02:56
Kronuz_probably not anymore :(02:56
Kronuz_I should have done so before killing it, right?02:56
Kronuz_(I don't know how coredumps work, exactly... I'm comming from the Windows world)02:57
Kronuz_how should I do the dump next time?02:57
mjg59Never mind. It'll probably happen again02:57
Kronuz_so maybe I can help debugging it02:57
mjg59kill -SEGV pid02:58
mjg59Oh, sig -QUIT pid ought to be better02:58
Kronuz_but what if it doesn't quit?02:58
Kronuz_I always use -9 :P02:58
mjg59-QUIT should force a core dump02:58
Kronuz_I see... that's what I should always use then...02:58
Kronuz_and where's the core put?02:59
Kronuz_is there a way to know if more than one threads were running in the process?02:59
Kronuz_or if it had any children03:00
Kronuz_mjg59, next time I'll get them the coredump (to the Beryl guys)03:00
Kronuz_be back in my other box in a sec03:01
ajmitchand people wonder why we don't ship beryl03:01
mjg59Well, we don't ship beryl because it's non-free03:02
mjg59But should that be recitified, I'm sure we can find other reasons03:02
ajmitchI've heard they're meant to fix those bits in 0.2.003:03
ajmitchwhenever that may come out03:03
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Kronuzmjg59, okay I got metacity working again03:04
johanbrBeryl is non-free?03:07
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blankyis there a channel for packagers?03:44
Kronuzin what package is the glxtokens.h, does anybody know?04:05
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tepsipakkiI've patched libxcb to allow a workaround for the 'c->xlib.lock' crashers08:11
tepsipakkiby setting an environment variable LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK to any value the check will be ignored08:11
tepsipakkithe new version is at http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new/libxcb08:12
tepsipakkiand the patch is originally from Novell08:12
tepsipakkiplease test08:12
tepsipakkior upload, which suits best ;)08:12
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pittiGood morning08:13
tepsipakkigood morning pitti08:13
tepsipakkiI just wrote about a patch to libxcb08:13
pittihey tepsipakki 08:13
tepsipakkipitti: if you have time, take a look at http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new/libxcb08:14
pittitepsipakki: ah, you need a sponsor?08:14
tepsipakkiit's a patch from Novell which fixes the locking bugs we've seen08:15
pittitepsipakki: can you please put hte source debdiff there?08:15
tepsipakkiit needs an environment variable to be set, then the check will be ignored08:17
tepsipakkiso it's not an out-of-the-box solution08:17
tepsipakkibbl ->08:18
=== fabbione would prefer the workaround enabled by default and we switch to a more anal locking in feisty+1
fabbionei am not sure we will have time to fix all apps to the new behavious08:18
pittifabbione: hm, I can reverse the logic and use LIBXCB_NO_SLOPPY_LOCK for using the strict method08:21
fabbionepitti: nobody is going to set that env var to test... hounestly..08:22
fabbioneIMHO either we change that assert in something that will tell us: OMG THE WORLD IS FALLING but we disabled the crash for you08:22
pittifabbione: you mean developers not setting it to test the strict method?08:22
fabbioneor just skip it for feisty and re-enable it very early in feisty+108:22
fabbionepitti: nobody will set it.. but yeah you get it08:22
pittifabbione: ok, so we forget the env var and just use sloppy locking; can do08:23
fabbionethe message from assert is scary too...08:23
fabbionepitti: that's my suggestion08:23
fabbioneand that's what i would do08:23
fabbionefor a matter of our own and MOTU's sanity08:24
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fabbionehahaha that's nothing to do with X 31337 sk1ll0rz08:24
fabbionewe just need to remember (absolutely) to disable it as soon as feisty+1 opens up08:25
fabbioneand go with what upstream has08:25
=== pitti uses LIBXCB_NO_SLOPPY_LOCK, it can't hurt to have it, after all
tepsipakkiyeah, maybe that's better :)08:38
tepsipakkifedora still has libx11-1.0.3, so they were better informed :/08:39
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tepsipakkipitti: while you're at it, there are other packages in the parent of that webfolder08:41
tepsipakkixorg and video-ati08:41
tepsipakkidebdiffs also08:42
pittitepsipakki: 'k, checking08:42
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pittitepsipakki: the ati fixes come from upstream svn?08:44
tepsipakkione of them is applied atm08:44
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pittitepsipakki: (it would be nice to mention their source in the changelog)08:45
tepsipakkithe bugs have more info, but it could be mentioned yes08:46
pittitepsipakki: ah, ok; if they refer to the source, it's at least possible to track them; nevermind then for this ati upload08:46
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pittiHi Riddell 08:48
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pittitepsipakki: ok, both uploaded08:48
tepsipakkipitti: thanks!08:48
pittithanks to you :)08:48
tepsipakkinp :)08:49
tepsipakkimaybe I'll debug casper next08:49
pittitepsipakki: after I'm finished with that one mailbox, I'll restart X to test the libxcb change, then I'll upload that as well08:50
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tepsipakkipitti: cool08:51
tepsipakkithat should make a lot of people less angry :)08:51
fabbionepitti: you don't need to restart X.. it's a shared lib :)08:52
fabbionepitti: just run something like azureus (or whatever is called) that's known to trigger the lock error08:52
pittifabbione: yes, but only that way I can make sure that all the gnome stuff is restarted08:52
pittifabbione: ah, cool, I didn't see it so far08:53
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fabbionepitti: yeah but just starting something else will do... trust me here :)08:53
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fabbioneotherwise the simplest test case is to LockDisplay(); UnlockDisplay(dpy); UnlockDisplay(dpy);08:53
fabbioneusing libx11 calls08:53
fabbionepretty simple08:53
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mdkeis anyone taking care of bug 82335 - it seems to affect a significant number of people and makes a lot of applications unhappy08:55
UbugtuMalone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8233508:55
mdkefor example, my eth1 doesn't seem to be detected by network manager so lots of my GNOME applications are broken08:56
mdkequite apart from network-manager itself being totally useless08:56
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Mithrandirmdke: that's a good point.09:04
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mdkeMithrandir: :)09:05
MithrandirI'll see if I can get that fixed.09:05
ajmitchmorning Mithrandir 09:06
Mithrandirhiya Andrew09:06
mdkeMithrandir: thanks very much09:06
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dholbachgood morning09:14
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ajmitchhi daniel09:21
dholbachhey andrew09:22
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pittihey seb128 09:45
seb128pitti: hi09:45
seb128pitti: do we really need to use the sloppy lock things now?09:46
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seb128pitti: I was thinking about doing that for feisty, using it now hide breakages we could fix for 7.04 though09:47
dholbachhi seb12809:47
seb128hey dholbach09:48
tepsipakkiwe can fix those we have time for09:48
pittiseb128: *shrug*, I just listened to tepsipakki and fabbione, and it seemed sane; if you are sure that we can fix all the broken apps, then that's certainly better09:48
seb128well, the dust is under the carpet now :p09:48
seb128pitti: not sure, I would keep trying to fix breakages now and consider it for feisty then09:48
tepsipakkigiven that fedora ships xorg-server- with libx11 from 7.1 :)09:49
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pitti\sh_away: re your php4 uploads> you know about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-February/023296.html ?09:52
seb128pitti: ok, let keep it that way, less work and we don't have an xorg maintainer to work on those anyway. Thanks for the upload, I was supposed to do them yesterday but I've been busy with other things09:54
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seb128ogra: do you plan to use that gnome-screensaver patch that fixes xnest?10:13
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asacseb128: if you have a minute, please take a look at bug 9033310:32
UbugtuMalone bug 90333 in totem "totem plugin causes frequent gecko crashes because NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory is broken" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9033310:32
seb128asac: the discussion with chpe has been useful then? ;)10:33
asacwe could eliminate that10:33
asacso we don't have to fix gecko code10:33
seb128asac: I'll patch totem now10:33
asacwhich is really broken10:33
seb128patch looks fine10:33
asacthank you so much10:33
seb128and I'm all to stop crashers flood10:33
asaci guess almost all firefox crashes are gone by then :)10:33
seb128np, thank you for working on the patch ;)10:33
asacyeah ... i tried multiple ways to fix this in firefox ... but no real clean solution possible10:34
asacso i gave up :)10:34
asacand went totem ;)10:34
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asacseb128: will you push this to debian too?10:42
seb128asac: will do10:42
seb128asac: you worked with the edgy version?10:43
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seb128because the patch doesn't apply to the feisty package10:43
seb128the feisty version does:10:43
seb128CallNPN_SetValueProc (sNPN.setvalue,10:43
seb128      mInstance,10:43
seb128      NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory,10:43
seb128      NS_INT32_TO_PTR (PR_TRUE));10:43
asacyes tested with edgy ... but is probably the same10:44
asacits about removing the NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory optino10:44
asacand taking care that so10:44
asacis loaded10:44
asacwith _NOREMOVE10:44
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asacis pretty simple10:44
seb128yeah, I see, easy to adapt10:45
asacseb128: you can easily reproduce 10:45
asacand verify10:45
seb128doing that right now10:45
asacjust open a video10:45
asachit reload10:45
asacthen go 10:45
asacgnome theme 10:45
asacand switch it10:45
asac-> crash10:45
Sp4rKydoes someone can explain me why "echo 'foo' > /root/home/$UTILISATEUR/.bar" in casper-bottom/10adduser doesn't work ?10:45
asacseb128: should crash epiphany as well as firefox10:46
cjwatsondoko_: looks like you left a set -x in python2.5-minimal's maintainer scripts?10:47
cjwatsonSp4rKy: (a) depends on where you put it (b) I hope that isn't actually $UTILISATEUR since that doesn't exist10:48
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Sp4rKy chroot /root install -D -o $USERNAME -g $USERNAME $file /home/$USERNAME$10:51
Sp4rKy       what's this if $USERNAME doesn't exist ?10:51
doko_cjwatson: hrm ..., fixing10:51
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Sp4rKycjwatson: and for a), i put my line just after the line i print over 10:52
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MithrandirSp4rKy: that line creates the directory if it doesn't exist.10:54
geserMithrandir, cjwatson: have you had time to look at the UVF exception for fuse 2.6.3?10:55
Mithrandirgeser: no, sorry.10:55
MithrandirI'll do so once my email client wants to talk with me again10:56
Sp4rKyMithrandir: so $USERNAME exists10:56
ograseb128, indeed i do10:56
seb128ogra: k10:56
Sp4rKyso i don't understand why  echo 'ubiquity-gtkui.desktop' >> /root/home/$USERNAME/bar doesn't work10:57
ograseb128, did you prefer no to ?10:57
MithrandirSp4rKy: add set -x to the top of the script, read /var/log/casper.log when you've booted the live image.10:57
seb128ogra: no, quite the opposite, I though you were going to apply it after herd freeze and it's still not uploaded so I was wondering10:57
ograi wasnt working on screensaver stuff yet10:58
Sp4rKyMithrandir: thx11:00
Sp4rKyMithrandir: is there some good doc about casper, or testing is the best way ?11:01
MithrandirSp4rKy: there aren't any docs but what you can find on the wiki11:01
pittitepsipakki: Configuring x11-common ... Incorrect nice value; Please enter an integer between -20 and 19.11:04
pittitepsipakki: does that relate to your recent xorg upload?11:04
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mrevellheno: Hey11:04
henomrevell: hi11:05
Sp4rKyMithrandir: ok11:05
seb128pitti: 11:05
seb128 xorg (1:7.2-0ubuntu4) feisty; urgency=low11:05
seb128 .11:05
seb128   * debian/x11-common.config.in:11:05
seb128     - fix validate_nice_value() not to fail when using adept11:05
seb128       (Closes: LP #68267)11:05
pittiseb128: ah, ok, so that was the fix, not the source of the bug11:05
gnomefreakok Lp is down. x11-common wont install now matter what ive tried11:06
mrevellheno: Just a reminder that the Launchpad users meeting is at 17:00 UTC in #launchpad today. If anyone from the distro team or other Ubuntu devs have complaints, suggestions, praise or questions :)11:06
Sp4rKyMithrandir: building initramfss :)11:06
gnomefreakit gets stuck in ncurses (asks you to choose a nice value"-20 to 19") it fails to let you choose11:07
seb128gnomefreak: lp is not down11:08
henomrevell: cool, who from LP will be there (besides yourself)?11:08
gnomefreakseb128: i cant file a bug11:08
gnomefreakerror ID  OOPS-431C732  in your message11:08
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mrevellheno: So far, quite a few of the developers have said they'll be there. Carlos, Elliot M, Brad, David Allouche, Francis, spring to mind11:10
henook, cool11:10
henomrevell: I'll post to the distro list, do you have a URL, an agenda?11:11
carlosmrevell: I'm not sure whether I will be there for the whole meeting. Danilo will, though11:11
tepsipakkignomefreak: what version are you upgrading?11:11
mrevellcarlos: Cool, thanks.11:11
gnomefreakupgrading to 1:7.2-0ubuntu411:12
mrevellheno: Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadUserMeeting/2007-03-0711:12
mrevellheno: thanks, you're a pal :)11:12
gnomefreakInstalled: 1:7.2-0ubuntu3 Candidate: 1:7.2-0ubuntu411:13
tepsipakkiwhat frontend?11:13
tepsipakkii guess it's not adept ;)11:13
gnomefreaktepsipakki: apt-get11:14
tepsipakkiok, I'll look into it11:14
henoor, rather I would post if thunderbird wasn't broken atm :(11:14
mrevellheno: Thanks for trying :)11:15
henognomefreak: yes11:15
henognomefreak: I assume it's a known problem11:15
gnomefreakheno: depends what the problem is. i use it with none11:16
heno(having seen a bunch of apport bugs about it this morning)11:16
tepsipakkignomefreak: correct..11:17
tepsipakkithat "fix" needs to be reverted11:18
gnomefreakok i havetn gotten that far in my monrning yet but i will look into the bugs on .10 and see what we can do with them. i am gonna assume asac knows about this already11:18
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gnomefreaktepsipakki: ah ty11:18
seb128asac: fix verified and patched package uploaded to feisty, thank you11:18
gnomefreakseb128: totem?11:18
asacseb128: thanks11:18
seb128gnomefreak: bug #9033311:18
UbugtuMalone bug 90333 in totem "totem plugin causes frequent gecko crashes because NPPVpluginKeepLibraryInMemory is broken" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9033311:18
henoasac: ^ I assume you've seen this -- thunderbird crash bugs11:18
gnomefreakcool ty11:18
seb128asac: np, thank you for the patch ;)11:18
asacheno: which?11:19
henoseveral apport ones in a row this morning. was there an update?11:19
Mithrandirdoko_: how much, if any testing of the new ecj release have you seen?11:19
asacheno: i don't see11:19
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henoasac: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bugs?start=10011:20
henothe last 7-8 on that list11:20
henoI'm getting it myself, but assume these are the same thing11:21
asacyou can reproduce?11:21
asaci saw those ... but the list did not grew overnight11:21
doko_Mithrandir: a rebuild of OOo and the direct OOo build dependencies; at this point there's one reason for me to have it: vil is working on eclipse-3.2.2 packages (universe), and if he can get these in, it's not nice to have two different ecj versions. So maybe I write him and CC you if he can make it? und just if eclipse-3.2.2 is ready, include ecj as well.11:23
henoasac: sorry, not as many as I assumed. I'll reproduce and upload the report11:23
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asacare there -dbgsym packages for thunderbird? if so, please retrace before upload :)11:24
Mithrandirdoko_: oh well, there was a fairly large amount of bugs fixed, so let's hope it's good.  Approved.11:24
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henoasac: sorry no -dbg files11:26
henopitti: how do you reset apport to take a new crash report? touch some file as I recall?11:27
pittiheno: 'take a new report'?11:27
pittiheno: touch /var/crash/* will bring up all the recent reports again11:27
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henopitti: bring them up how?11:28
pittiheno: same as if they had just happened11:28
pittiheno: i. e. 'App foo has just crashed blabla'11:28
henobasically when I launch TB now I get a crash, but now apport11:29
henopitti: ok, thanks11:29
pittiheno: aaah, I see what you mean11:29
pittiheno: rm /var/crash/* should do11:29
pittiheno: apport doesn't report more than three crashes per application on a day11:30
henoright, makes sense11:30
asacheno: no -dbgsym either?11:35
henoasac: nope. It would literally be 'mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym' in main right?11:38
pittiI wonder why it's not there11:39
pittifor feisty/
pittihttp://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/ -> it is11:40
pittihey, even for edgy, nice11:40
henoasac: here is the bug 9034611:40
UbugtuMalone bug 90346 in mozilla-thunderbird "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9034611:40
henopitti: oic, so it's not in the standard repos, just in ~pitti ?11:41
pittiheno: always; soyuz doesn't support ddebs yet11:42
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henoright, ok11:42
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asacpitti: cool11:43
henoasac: that works, doing one with dbgsym now11:45
cjwatsonwhoops, I broke the daily-live builds11:45
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asacheno: maybe try retrace you report11:49
asacheno: does running in -safe-mode help?11:50
henoasac: is there a command line option to do that?11:51
asacyes ... you are on feisty?11:53
asacaeh ... for safe mode or for auto retrace?11:53
henofor safe mode11:53
asac# thunderbird -safe-mode11:53
henoI'm doing a retrace now11:53
henook, it's not listed in --help11:53
asacyeah ... probably a bug; but --help is not really helpful for any mozilla apps ... so :/11:54
henoasac: still crashes in safe mode11:54
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asacah ... then retrace11:55
seb128ogra: do you know about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/82894 ?11:57
UbugtuMalone bug 82894 in gdm "Logging out of Gnome from XDMCP session does not return to login screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:57
carloslatest X.org update in Feisty is broken11:59
carlosxorg-common keeps asking me for a 'nice' value between -20 and 1912:00
seb128carlos: it's already fixed12:00
seb128wait for update to build12:00
carlosoh, ok, so I just got the broken one...12:00
carlosI'm sooo lucky :-P12:00
carlosseb128: thanks12:00
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ograseb128, looks like something makes the session hang12:08
ogradbus is a good candidate12:08
joumetalthere is problem with x11-common upgrade. Incorrect nice value.12:11
Mithrandirjoumetal: it's already fixed.12:11
seb128joumetal: that's not a bug chan, that's already known and fixed12:11
joumetalok thanks12:12
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highvoltageHi. Who at Canonical can I ask about Click'n'Run (CNR)?12:45
Hobbseehighvoltage: want to make your quesiton a little less broad?12:47
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highvoltageHobbsee: to be more specific, I work on an Ubuntu derivative that would like to include CNR, and I can't find anything CNR related in Feisty yet12:51
Hobbseehighvoltage: likely because it's not there.12:51
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Hobbseeas opposed to the other way around.12:52
highvoltageHobbsee: I think it's because the current version is non-free, and the final version will be free software12:52
highvoltageHobbsee: ok cool, I'll give them a shout12:52
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dokomvo: ping01:01
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dokoBuilt successfully01:16
dokoPurging chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.2.0~rc3~oof680m1001:16
Treenaks\o/ dholbach (libbtctl)01:21
pittimeh, I want devhelp back01:22
pittiMithrandir: could you please give-back devhelp on amd64 and sparc?01:24
Mithrandirpitti: I'm currently trying to rescue the xorg upload and want to get that in before I give back anything, really.01:24
Mithrandirpitti: but yes, I'll do that afterwards.01:24
pittiMithrandir: oh, sure, not terribly urgent; just queueing01:24
Mithrandirok, publisher running, we should have working buildds, etc in about 30 minutes.01:26
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Mithrandirpitti: is G and K in the langpacksize script output gnome and kde or something else?01:32
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Mithrandirpitti: and can I have it give me the number on a per-arch basis?01:33
dokoMithrandir, pitti, seb128: the openoffice.org and openoffice.org-l10n binaries can be processed now01:42
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seb128doko: doing that01:53
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mooeypatching packages is too difficult :(02:04
seb128mooey: what package do you try to patch?02:05
Mithrandirpitti: devhelp-given-back.02:05
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mooeyseb128, any, heh. i always give up. do you know any decent documentation? or some list of commands to apt-get source a package, make change, test and make a patch thats acceptable for developers? i read pittis open week page on the wiki, but it doesn't cover actually building and testing a package02:06
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seb128mooey: apt-get source package name, cd package-dir, make change, debuild02:06
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seb128mooey: use dch to add a changelog entry and debdiff previous current version02:07
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mooeyseb128, debuild usually works the first time, but the second time it complains that it cant reverse the patches02:08
seb128that's a package bug then02:08
seb128or your change conflicts with a patch02:08
mooeyso for suck packages that fail even if i haven't made any changes, i should report it in launchpad?02:08
mooeyor at debian bts?02:08
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seb128mooey: launchpad02:11
pittiMithrandir: Right, G = Gnome+base (Ubuntu), K=KDE+base (Kubuntu), G+K=Gnome+KDE+base (Edubuntu)02:12
pittiMithrandir: per-arch? langpacks are arch:all02:13
pittiMithrandir: and the large bits of scim as well02:13
Mithrandirpitti: hm, ok.02:13
mooeyalright. now it complains that i dont have an @ubuntu.com address, is there a flag i can pass to debuild to tell it to ignore such error?02:13
mooeyHobbsee, so what should i do?02:15
pochumooey: you should put ubuntu-motu@l.u.c or ubuntu-devel-discuss@l.u.c02:15
cjwatsonmooey: upgrade devscripts and you won't get that02:15
pochucjwatson: that's not a requirement anymore?02:15
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cjwatsonpochu: not unless DEBEMAIL includes @ubuntu.com02:16
cjwatson(in other words, only Ubuntu developers need to worry about it02:16
cjwatsonRiddell: is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/89458 what you fixed in ubiquity 1.3.24?02:16
UbugtuMalone bug 89458 in ubiquity "Crashed when trying to put in mountpoint in partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:16
pochuok, ty02:17
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Mithrandirdoko: why isn't there any libuno-cil for sparc?02:17
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dokoMithrandir: read the changelog ;) it doesn't build according to debian, I didn't have the time to check02:18
mooeythanks pochu, cjwatson that seems to have sorted it. have i missed some documentation that has this sort of thing in it?02:18
Mithrandirdoko: ok.  (Looking at changelogs is slightly hard on drescher)02:18
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cjwatsonmooey: no, you're apparently running the development branch which is often light on documentation and definitely expects you to keep up to date02:18
cjwatsonany documentation that does exist generally assumes you are up to date02:19
mooeycjwatson, so there is documentation about modifying packages for edgy?02:19
cjwatsonmooey: however the change in question is described at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField if you're interested (but you probably don't need to be)02:19
Mithrandirdoko: ooo{,-l10n} accepted.02:20
cjwatsonstart at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment02:20
cjwatsonmooey: ^-02:20
mooeythanks, cjwatson 02:20
MithrandirRiddell: libkexiv is just split out from digikam source in main (and should go to main)?02:20
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khermans_i think i would like to make the Mirror Choosing algorithm more efficient, but i wonder if you made it slower on purpose02:26
khermans_in Synaptic02:26
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khermans_It tried to pick from 100-200 servers02:27
mvo_khermans_: the speed test in software-properties?02:27
khermans_mvo_, yes02:27
mvo_khermans_: what do you have in mind for it? if you want to hack on it, you are more than welcome :)02:28
khermans_the test could be done in less than 3 seconds instead of 1 minute02:28
mvo_khermans_: I'm all ears 02:28
khermans_just open x number of connections simultaneously02:28
khermans_in parallel02:28
khermans_take first one that wins02:28
mvo_khermans_: interessting! could you please open a whishlist bug against software-propoerties with this conversation? this way the idea will not get lost and glatzor will have a chance to see it as well02:29
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khermans_mvo_, sure02:30
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khermans_is launchpad broken?02:31
Hobbseedefine "broken"02:32
khermans_im getting a timeout error02:32
mvo_khermans_: thanks!02:33
khermans_hrmm, seems to be OK now, but it failed for a minute or two02:33
mvo_khermans_: let me know the bugnumber once its added02:33
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khermans_mvo_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/9037902:39
UbugtuMalone bug 90379 in software-properties "Select Best Server can be more efficient by pinging in parallel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:39
mvo_khermans_: thanks02:39
mvo_iwj: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-libs/html/gst-plugins-base-libs-gstbaseutilsinstallplugins.html (under (4)) has new and different return code requirements for the codec installer. did you had any contact with upstream about this?02:40
mvo_iwj: they seem to be not compatible with the ones we speced earlier02:40
khermans_mvo_, btw i didnt see how to set 'wishlist'02:41
mvo_khermans_: I set it to confirmed/wishlist now02:41
khermans_mvo_, how do i do it in future?02:42
khermans_i see how to set confirmed02:42
cjwatsonkhermans_: setting importance is restricted to members of the ubuntu-qa team02:43
khermans_cjwatson, thx02:43
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cjwatsondoko: any idea why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/89526 might happen? it's not the first time I've seen it02:49
UbugtuMalone bug 89526 in ubiquity "livecd installer crashes upon loading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:49
cjwatsonFile "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/tz.py", line 168, in __init__ today=datetime.datetime.today()02:49
cjwatsonValueError: microsecond must be in 0..99999902:49
cjwatsonI'm almost tempted to catch ValueError and run it in a loop a few times ;-)02:50
dokoonly powerpc, or other archs?02:52
cjwatsonnot sure offhand02:52
cjwatsonI'll do a bughelper search02:53
cjwatsonyou think it might be the powerpc epoch-before-1970 thing?02:54
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dokocjwatson: http://python.org/sf/1646728 in the update I prepared, just waiting for mvo to comment on bug 8851202:56
UbugtuMalone bug 88512 in python2.5 "python2.5-minimal breaks update from Edgy to Feisty" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8851202:56
cjwatsondatetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(-1000000) seems to work fine, so I assume negative timestamps are OK in general02:57
cjwatsonoho, maybe not02:57
cjwatson>>> datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(-1000000.1)02:57
cjwatsonTraceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?02:57
cjwatsonValueError: microsecond must be in 0..99999902:57
cjwatsondoko: ah, thanks for the upstream bug link02:58
cjwatsondoko: I think I'll work around it somehow for now02:59
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tfheenhi scott03:03
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iwjmvo_: No, I hadn't heard anything about this.03:24
iwjHow annoying.  I bet the ones in their document are insufficient, too.03:24
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mvo_iwj: I changed the return codes in g-a-i now to the new world order03:25
iwjHmm.  OK.03:25
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mvo_iwj: but I agree, very anoying03:25
iwjDoes that need changes to nautilus too ?03:25
iwjI would have been tempted to make a sh wrapper.03:25
mvo_iwj: I don't think so, it affects only the codec installs03:25
iwjAlso, I note that g-a-i is written in Python and Python programs can't reliably avoid exiting 1.03:25
iwjSo you need a sh wrapper anyway.03:26
iwj(Any untrapped exception in a python program causes an exit status of 1 and this might happen before your script gets to fix up an error handler.)03:27
iwjThat's why I didn't use 1 in my list of exit statuses.03:27
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iwjI think the gstreamer spec should have been changed, personally.03:28
iwjAnd why oh why oh why do people think they can just go and change an already-specified and -implemented interface to be randomly different ??03:28
iwjAnd now we are put in the position of fixing the less-broken program because the more-broken program is surrounded by more-broken institutions and processes.  Bah.  Rant cont pp99 etc.03:29
iwjmvo_: Sorry btw for not seeing your query earlier.03:29
iwjI just noticed it when I came to this virtual desktop to collect a web browser ..03:30
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mvo_iwj: no problem. I have no idea why they changed the spec, sorry03:38
iwjYes, don't apologise.  Not your fault.03:38
iwjSorry for grumping at you.03:38
iwjAnyway, what will you do about the exit status 1 problem ?03:38
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mvo_iwj: I'm pretty grumpy about this as well03:39
iwjFeel free to c&p my rant and email it to someone ...03:39
mvo_iwj: about the exit status 1 problem, we could install a execption hook hanlder for this03:39
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iwjmvo_: But python might exit 1 anyway eg because it can't read your script or some core bit of python is broken.03:41
iwjOr your attempts to report the error in your own exception hook handler might throw another exception.03:41
iwjPython is just fundamentally broken in this respect.03:41
iwjThe workaround is make exit status 1 mean `this program failed catastrophically'.03:41
mvo_iwj: right, the execption hook thing would not cover all cases :/03:41
mvo_iwj: right03:41
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cyberixFeisty dist-upgrade tells me that some nice values are wrong, but doesn't allow me to fix it in any way.03:47
tfheencyberix: your mirror is out of date.03:48
tfheenupgrade to the latest version03:48
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KeybukErr http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages03:59
Keybuk  Could not resolve archive.ubuntu.com03:59
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Keybukthis is weird04:01
Keybukapplications (apt, telnet) can't resolve04:01
Keybukbut ping, host, nslookup, dig, etc. can04:01
cyberixtfheen: Thanks.04:02
cyberixtfheen: But why doesn't the mirror pull the latest version on request?04:02
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asacheno: can you redo your crash report with -dbgsym packages available from http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mt-feisty/ ?04:03
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henoasac: yep04:03
asacheno: ty04:03
lemsx1in feisty i'm having problems with x11-common looping with the question "nice value must be a value between -19 and 19"  that happened on a clean Feisty installation while updating today04:04
tepsipakkilemsx1: fixed already04:04
cjwatsonRiddell: in future please sift through debdiff output when uploading ubiquity. It's annoying to have to read huge slews of diffs to various revision control files04:04
Keybukpitti: help!04:05
lemsx1tepsipakki: good to know04:05
Riddelltfheen: yes, libkexiv was previously in digikam and s needed in main04:05
lemsx1tepsipakki: is the package uploaded?04:05
dholbachlemsx1: yes04:05
lemsx1dholbach: ok. i'll switch to the main archive then04:06
cjwatsoncyberix: most mirrors operate on the basis of pulling in a cron job, not pulling on request04:06
cjwatsoncyberix: since the bulk of mirrors are voluntary, we have no means to tell them to pull faster04:06
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cyberixBut ofcourse not very easy to switch04:07
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cyberixI created a summer of code proposal for creating GNUnet support for apt.04:08
cyberixlast summer04:08
cyberixBut I did not get funding.04:08
elmooh my god.  who could I pay to make dontzap the default?04:09
Sp4rKy_cjwatson: my issue with casper s resolved, thx04:09
mjg59elmo: Oh, easily fixed04:10
elmomjg59: ?04:10
mjg59elmo: It's a one line change in Xorg04:11
mjg59So, how much are you willing to pay me?04:11
mjg59Damn, I've still not got this negotiating thing right04:11
elmo2 fruit flies?04:11
kylemelmo, hehe.04:12
cyberixHere is a reference http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/aptgn/aptgn.en.html.utf804:12
cyberixMaybe I'll still start the project one day04:13
cyberixWith a funding or without one. ;-)04:13
Riddellcjwatson: ok, what did I do wrong?04:14
henoasac: so is it good news or bad news that I can't get it to crash anymore now? :)04:15
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dholbachcan somebody please give back gksu on amd64? and take a look where the devhelp binaries of amd64 went?04:17
henoI've since done another system update04:17
cjwatsonRiddell: well, if you run debdiff between old and new .dsc before uploading then you'll notice enormous diffs and be able to do something about them04:17
paxKeybuk: I experience(d) the same when firestarter is running.04:18
asacheno: hmmm you remember if crash happened on or ?04:18
cjwatsonRiddell: in this case, passing -I.svn -I.bzr -I.bzrignore to debuild would sort it out04:18
cjwatsonRiddell: I have this in .devscripts so I don't need to worry:04:18
cjwatsonDEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i'(?:^|/).*~$|(?:^|/)\..*\.swp|DEADJOE|(?:/CVS|/RCS|/\.svn|/\.deps|\{arch\}|\.arch-ids|\.arch-inventory|\.bzr|\.bzrignore|\.shelf)(?:$|/)' -ICVS -I.svn -I\{arch\} -I.arch-ids -I.arch-inventory -I.bzr -I.bzrignore -I.shelf -uc -us"04:18
cjwatson(most of the first is backward compat - just -i is generally enough I think)04:19
henoasac: definitely,, I checked with --version04:19
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Keybukpax: this was being caused by mdns, afaict04:19
asacheno: then i don't know ... if you ever can reproduce let me know ... if you don't see for two days, please close current bug :)04:20
lemsx1dholbach: tepsipakki: it worked. x11-common from archive.u.o (not the mirrors. us.a.u.o still has the old (broken) package)04:20
henoasac: sure, will do04:20
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dokobdmurray: how could you reproduce bug 90004 ?04:22
UbugtuMalone bug 90004 in glibc "issuing ldconfig causes Bus error and core dump, inhibits execution of postinst script for libgcc1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9000404:22
lemsx1does anybody use Synergy? synergy is broken in Feisty. it works fine on previous versions of Ubuntu04:23
bdmurraydoko: Can't do reproduce it today.04:24
bddebianlemsx1: Filed a boog?04:24
lemsx1the mouse/keyboard (input) pauses (is broken) for a while when you use it04:24
lemsx1bddebian: i'm not sure where the problem might lie... perhaps xorg input package?04:24
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lemsx1bddebian: i'll check the bugs for synergy (the package) to see if somebody already reported that04:25
bddebianOK, thanks04:25
bdmurraydoko: earlier I had used 'sudo ldconfig -v' per the first report04:25
dokobdmurray: does work for me04:28
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iwjmvo_: I just had a case where DscSrcPackage(...).checkDeb returned False.  How am I supposed to find an error message ?04:45
iwj(As it is I found out what was causing the problem but I want to improve my script's error reporting.)04:45
mvo_iwj: there should be a "_failureString" in DscSrcPackage04:47
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mvo_iwj: I guess that should be made to something more formal (even if this just means removing the "_")04:47
iwjCan I assume that DebPackage has a _failureString too ?04:48
iwjEg, if I say satisfyDependsStr ?04:48
iwjd = DebPackage(cache);  res = d.satisfyDependsStr("some thing");04:49
iwjand then res is false so print d._failureString04:49
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iwjmvo_: It's not clear to me why it doesn't just throw an exception ...04:51
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mvo_iwj: it should do that, sloppy programmer04:58
iwjRight :-).04:59
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iwjOK, well, I'll use _failureString for now and if you make it throw an exception then my code will stay correct :-).04:59
mvo_iwj: thanks04:59
iwj/dev/mem: mmap: Bad address04:59
iwjI wonder what that's from.04:59
iwjdebconf ?  Some crazy thing doogie put in dpkg ?05:00
mjg59Only things that need to mmap /dev/mem that spring to mind are X and libx86-using things05:00
iwjmjg59: This is in an apt transcript where it's trying to install the build-deps for acpi-support, on a Xen guest.05:02
iwjIn amidst lots of complaints from debconf which is grumbling excessively about lack of a controlling tty.05:02
mjg59Hm. There's unlikely to be any point having acpi-support on a Xen guest.05:03
iwjmjg59: Yes, but I just want to build it.05:03
mjg59Ok. And this is just /installing/ the build-deps? In that case, I have no idea.05:04
pittiKeybuk: what's up?05:04
tfheenI wonder why you get debconf installed, given that none of the build-deps would have a reason to need debconf.05:05
pittiheno, asac: you know that you can use the retracing service on ronne now, right?05:05
Keybukpitti: s'ok, think I solved it on my own05:05
asacpitti: yes ... but proper dbgsym not available for tbird :)05:05
henopitti: yes I did see your mail about that05:06
henopitti: I tried running it locally. How long should I expect it to take?05:06
iwjumovestr: Input/output error05:06
pittiheno: a few minutes probably05:07
henoI left if for about 30 minutes on an amd64 4000+05:07
pittiasac: how so, they are available for both edgy and feisty?05:07
pittiheno: urgh, that the heck does it do? what does top say?05:07
pittiheno: you can use -v for some verbosity in package install/removal etc.05:07
asacpitti: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt does not work05:08
henopitti: no, was mostly just idling actually05:08
asacthats what i tried to fix in laast upload, but failed miserably ... as you might know :)05:08
pittiheno: any processes running which look like the culprit05:08
asacpitti: you read pm about gnupg security update?05:08
pittiasac: doing now05:10
henopitti: it ran fine now, taking about 1 minute05:11
pittiheno: if it was feisty, then it was perhaps the broken xorg upload?05:11
henowarned me about some missing unrelated -dbgsym packages05:11
pittiheno: that one just spun my chroots this morning05:12
henopitti: could well be05:12
henoit seemed to cause IMAP sync in TB to fail for some reason05:12
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asacheno: you managed to do a retrace with my hand-crafted -dbgsym packages for tbird?05:14
henoasac: no, after installing your -dbgsym it didn't crash05:15
henobut then I had also updated xorg in the meantime05:16
asacyeah ... but maybe you can now run apport-retrace on the crash dump?05:16
asacok ... if not, lets keep this filed under the xorg broke it category :)05:16
henoasac: I have done. I'll attach the output to the bug05:16
asacheno: thank you05:19
Sp4rKyif i want start something at the session start of the Live user, what's the best way ?05:24
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cjwatsonmjg59: there's an = vs. == typo in your parted gptsync patch05:29
cjwatson-+              if (raw_part->OSType = 0x0b) {05:30
cjwatson++              if (raw_part->OSType == 0x0b) {05:30
mjg59Well, easy to fix...05:33
mjg59Only triggers if you have any DOS partitions05:33
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delirei notice that leading whitespace is considered when parsing usernames in the Ubuntu login dialog. is this a bug? people often hit the spacebar to awaken the monitor and so the space character is passed to the username field if present (like if they'd logged out before going to lunch).05:40
delire<-- 6.1005:41
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cjwatsonmjg59: right, just in case you'd sent it upstream05:59
mjg59Oh, yeah. I doubt they'll merge it as is.05:59
cjwatsonfix uploading now05:59
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dholbachhow will the archive test rebuild work? will we get mails about packages that ftbfs? bugs? lists somewhere? (it'd be nice to have a list for universe packages, so we can work on fixing them)06:09
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lucasdholbach: where is that test rebuild announced ?06:13
dholbachlucas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule06:14
lucasok, thx06:16
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dholbachtfheen: ^ do you know anything about that? (test rebuild ftbfs lists?)06:17
jcolea little bird told me that the debian installer will support encrypted filesystems... will fiesty (using the debian installer mini.iso) allow for this feature?06:18
cjwatsonnot yet, no, sorry06:19
cjwatsonjcole: ^--06:19
cjwatsonat the relevant time cryptsetup wasn't ready for main (couldn't deal with usplash) - that may have changed lately, I haven't checked06:20
jcolecjwatson: ok, thanks for the info06:24
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cjwatsonhow the heck do I get accurate information? block-size*block-count/1024 (tune2fs) != 1K-blocks (df)06:27
cjwatsona 505MB disparity on this 31GB filesystem seems a bit over the top - reserved blocks only make up ~160MB so that doesn't account for it06:29
brooniecjwatson: df doesn't report the space reserved for root as free.06:29
cjwatsonbroonie: as I said above, reserved blocks don't account for it06:29
broonieYeah, very laggy.06:30
cjwatsonin any case reserved is included in the 1K-blocks column, just not in Available06:30
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cjwatson(FWIW, this is part of an attempt to teach partman how to resize ext2/ext3 without using parted, since parted can't handle the common resize_inode feature)06:33
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jcoleWe are listening to what customers are saying about Linux and taking it into consideration," said Dell spokesman David Lord. "We are going forward. Let's say, 'Certainly stay tuned." - http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?storyID=2007-03-06T235238Z_01_N06441608_RTRIDST_0_TECH-DELL-LINUX-DC.XML06:37
jcolei'm guessing suse has contacted them recently...06:37
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jcoledell's interest in linux is definitely an ubuntu support opportunity...06:39
=== dholbach hugs heno - your mail made me laugh :))))
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RiddellI did?06:46
dholbachRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-01-11.html - 05:1606:47
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Riddelloh aye, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_objects_in_Harry_Potter#Pensieve was what your description reminded me of06:50
dholbachyeah, I thought so :)06:53
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pittifabbione: still here?07:14
dholbachcan somebody please give back gksu on amd64? and take a look where the devhelp binaries of amd64 went?07:15
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elian_mhi there, how does ubiquity translation work? Rosetta?07:29
elian_mI'm the d-i translator for Albanian, I'd like to see the rest of the front-end translated too07:30
pochuelian_m: I think everything in Main uses rosetta07:35
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pochuelian_m: but Feisty translations aren't open yet, though you can translate it in dapper and edgy07:35
elian_mpochu: I was looking at rosetta right now :-)07:35
elian_mpochu: I downloaded the latest package I found there (from feisty pages), hope it's OK for now07:37
dokopitti: isdnutils depends on tcl8.3 as well07:39
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cjwatsonelian_m: Rosetta, yes, but it's only updated semi-automatically07:41
cjwatsonelian_m: i.e. by me running a set of scripts on my laptop07:41
Riddellpitti: did you approve the packages for dist-upgrade in edgy-proposed NEW?07:41
cjwatsonelian_m: the installer is a little confusing in Rosetta, but the whole thing is aggregated under "debian-installer", including ubiquity, to ease the work of handling shared translations07:42
sfllawdholbach: Wow!  Uhm, OK.07:43
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sfllawI should get ready to help with Jeff's baby.07:43
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cjwatsonelian_m: the translations under the ubiquity source package *are* used, but they're just for the .desktop files07:44
elian_mcjwatson: in fact I see there are 2 template.pot files under debian/ reguarding the front-end07:46
cjwatsonelian_m: right, ignore the one under imported-po07:46
elian_mcjwatson: can I translate these using my po editor and send them to you?07:46
cjwatsonelian_m: please translate them in Rosetta07:47
cjwatsonthat's the easiest for me because I can handle lots of languages in bulk07:47
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cjwatson(translate in Rosetta, or translate in your po editor and upload to Rosetta, whatever)07:47
cjwatsonelian_m: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/debian-installer/+translations07:48
cjwatsonif that's out of date, let me know07:48
cjwatsonhmm, it does appear to be out of date07:51
cjwatsoncarlos: did the debian-installer import fail? I know you said it would take a couple of days ...07:51
alex-weejcan somebody take a quick look at this bug please and set its importance? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/7828807:52
UbugtuMalone bug 78288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel 2.6.20-5 doesn't boot with sata-hd" [Medium,Confirmed]  07:52
alex-weejit's a regression from 2.6.1907:52
cjwatsonplease can people stop nominating bugs for feisty. kthxbye.07:52
cjwatson(it's meaningless)07:52
alex-weejand is likely related to https://launchpad.net/bugs/7104007:52
UbugtuMalone bug 71040 in linux-source-2.6.20 "rebooting instead of shutting down" [Medium,Confirmed]  07:52
alex-weejas the hardware specs that people keep coming out with are asus P4P/C800 motherboards and acer laptops07:53
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pochualex-weej: have you tried 2.6.20-9?07:57
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alex-weejpochu: that's what i'm running07:57
pochualex-weej: it's because the report says -5 :)07:57
alex-weejactually... is that a new package?07:57
alex-weejwhen did it go in? cause the rebooting problem isn't fixed and i've just been used to editing my kernel options every boot to include "irqpoll"07:58
alex-weeji will test in a minute and update the bug07:58
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pochuheno: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2259307#post2259307 :-P08:04
henopochu: right, will do (will just have dinner first)08:05
pochubon apetit ;)08:06
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alex-weejexactly the same with -908:20
UbugtuMalone bug 78288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel 2.6.20-9 doesn't boot with sata-hd" [Medium,Confirmed]  08:23
alex-weejupdated title08:23
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alex-weejworth upgrading the importance?08:25
alex-weej*hint hint* 08:26
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tsmitheseb128, sorry to bug. (/me feels bad). are you on archive duty?09:12
seb128tsmithe: hi, sort of, it's my archive day, I'm not doing that right now though, anything urgent?09:13
tsmithewell... urgent only in the sense that we'd like the packages in for ubuntustudio; but enblend and wired would like to get in :)09:13
delirewill vim7 allow for :syn on in Feisty?09:14
delire(out of the box)09:14
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seb128tsmithe: I think I looked at wired already, it's not trivial though and it's after FF and UVF09:15
tsmitheit was uploaded before FF. i had thought that that was what mattered09:16
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seb128maybe, it's just not trivial and I would prefer having somebody else accepting it09:16
seb128or having an another look09:16
tsmitheoh ok. it would be great, thanks, if that could happen09:17
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zygaI recently enabled popularity contest09:37
zygabut my mails got bounced for some reason09:37
zygapopcon@ubuntu.com is not responding09:37
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dsaszyga: popularity-contest works using HTTP rather than mail in ubuntu09:43
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dsas/etc/popularity-contest.conf should have "usehttp="yes"09:43
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bhaletfheen: i am not sure what the right process these days is, but i subscribed you to uvf bug #8875109:46
UbugtuMalone bug 88751 in beagle "UVF - Beagle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8875109:46
zygadsas: I see, thanks09:46
bhaletfheen: let me know if it belongs somewhere else please09:46
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carloscjwatson: well, it's taking more time due the huge list of pending imports for Feisty and a performance problem we introduced recently10:07
cjwatsoncarlos: fair enough10:08
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tfheenbhale: thanks, that's fine.11:15
bhaletfheen: cool, thanks dude11:16
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tepsipakkiplease beta.launchpad.net, work for awhile or I'll go to bed ;)11:23
ajmitchtepsipakki: or disable the redirection11:25
tepsipakkiajmitch: hmm, indeed11:25
cjwatsonRiddell: judging from bug reports, I think the Kubuntu autopartitioning frontend in ubiquity is deeply wedgied in the event you have more than one disk (I've had several reports of it selecting the wrong disk). I'm going to check this out in detail tomorrow in vmware once the image syncs down11:26
ajmitchtfheen: had a chance to look at bug 90058?11:27
UbugtuMalone bug 90058 in f-spot "UVF Exception for F-Spot 0.3.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9005811:27
tfheenajmitch: no, sorry.  If you want me to look at stuff you file, write me a proper mail about it, don't just mail me about it.  I'm subscribed to about half the bugs in LP, one way or another..11:27
ajmitchsorry, I thought subscribing the release team was enough11:28
tfheenthat's going to be the new process, yes, but I need to either whip myself into checking that list a bit more often or get an RSS feed of it or something11:29
tfheenanyway, it's bedtime for me now, I'll look at it tomorrow.11:29
ajmitchok, thanks11:30
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