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crimsunsistpoty: looks good.12:30
sistpotycrimsun: good, because I've already sent it... sorry 12:30
crimsunhehe, np12:30
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LaserJockScottK: still around?12:35
sistpotyanyone who'd like to help me with uploading SRU's to -updates?12:36
LaserJocksistpoty: how many are there?12:37
sistpotyLaserJock: I guess around 20 or so that are ready12:37
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sistpoty(since these are mine)12:39
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LaserJockwhat about bug #7049512:40
UbugtuMalone bug 70495 in rpy "[SRU]  python-rpy doesn't follow debian python policy" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7049512:40
LaserJockit's my SRU12:40
sistpotyLaserJock: if it's > 7 days + has 2 works for me, fire away ;)12:41
LaserJockI haven't gotten a 2nd "works for me" exactly but it's been fixed in Debian/Feisty and is trivial12:41
LaserJockshould I get a 2nd?12:42
sistpotyyes, please12:42
LaserJockbah :-)12:42
LaserJockI pick the SRUs that nobody tests12:42
sistpotyargl... why didn't I doublecheck my changes-file for a 2nd changelog entry... damn -v option *g*12:42
LaserJockI've had one in Main for a few months now12:42
sistpotyLaserJock: try asking around, maybe in #ubuntu or so... /me had luck in #ubuntu-de :)12:43
crimsunI can test it, but you have to give me about 15 minutes to create an edgy pbuilder.12:44
LaserJockI'll go to #ubuntu :-)12:44
LaserJockgive them something to do12:44
crimsuntsmithe: / TheMuso: what are good times+days for an ubuntu-audio meeting?12:45
crimsunI need to start this transition ASAP so we're not left in the lurch12:45
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LaserJockanybody in here want to test an Edgy package real quick?12:49
LaserJock #ubuntu seems maybe a bit preoccupied12:50
sistpotyLaserJock: can I test it in a chroot? or would I need a real machine?12:50
LaserJockchroot's fine12:51
LaserJockjust install python-rpy12:51
LaserJockand fire up python and import rpy12:51
sistpoty... installing 12:52
sistpotyLaserJock: works for me12:55
LaserJockit imported ok?12:55
sistpotyLaserJock: yes12:55
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LaserJockI can't say the same for when I just tried it on feisty :/12:55
ajmitchmm, lunch12:56
sistpotyLaserJock: same here :(12:56
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LaserJockwell, fix one bug ... find another12:57
LaserJocksistpoty: how have you been doing the changelogs?12:57
sistpotyLaserJock: I've been adding "No-change upload, propagating to ...-updates" and "Tested by: names of testers"12:58
sistpotyLaserJock: and building with dpkg-buildpackage ... -vlastversionbeforeproposed12:58
sistpoty-S -us -uc12:59
crimsunI've also used the new ClosingBugsFromChangelog syntax12:59
sistpotyLaserJock: e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-sid/+bug/8269212:59
UbugtuMalone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU]  xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Fix committed]  12:59
sistpotycrimsun: does it work yet?12:59
crimsunsistpoty: dunno, I've always manually set Fixed Committed/Released12:59
sistpotyah :)01:00
crimsunsince it's policy, however, I just follow it01:00
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sistpotywell, even then, I guess ubuntu-sru should let it into -updates before the bug should get marked fix released01:00
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crimsunright, I don't mark FR until I can apt* install01:01
sistpotyyeah, right01:01
theCorehmm... I don't like that. NetworkManager in ubuntu-desktop...01:01
theCoreI wonder if it01:02
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theCoreit is working01:02
crimsunit works for certain chipsets and certain networks01:02
crimsune.g., works with ipw2195abg using ipw2200 on open/wep/wpa[2] 01:02
theCoreand what about atheros?01:03
tonyyarussoIt's still far from perfect though01:03
crimsunI don't have any atheros hw to test01:03
LaserJockworks on mine01:03
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LaserJockthe only thing I have a problem with is static IPs01:03
sistpotyhooray, I've trashed my edgy chroot... thanks dbus :(01:03
theCoreI doesn't work on mine though, and it block my connection when it's installed01:04
theCoreIMHO, this is a bad, bad bug...01:04
tonyyarussoMy gripes:  No way to manage whether a network is "trusted" or "added" (or whatever the terms are), no way to delete remembered networks that no longer apply, and it messes up my DNS stuff so I can't be connected to the internet wired and my local wifi lan at the same time.01:04
crimsunnetwork-manager in desktop is arguably much more useful than compiz bling01:04
theCoreI will give it another try and see if it works now01:04
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tonyyarussotheCore: when you say blocks - did you uncomment in /etc/network/interfaces?01:05
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theCoretonyyarusso: uncomment?01:05
marcin_anthi all01:06
tonyyarussotheCore: The interface can't be managed the normal way and by NM at the same time.  See the NM instructions on the wiki01:06
marcin_antcrimsun: I think that there will be much more trouble with network manager than with compiz...01:06
Fujitsumarcin_ant: Possibly, but NM is actually vaguely useful.01:07
LaserJockI agree01:07
LaserJockbut regardless, we get both01:07
LaserJockso we gotta make the best of the situation :-)01:07
ajmitchcrimsun: agreed, having NM for my laptop is far more important than wobbly bits01:07
theCorecompiz is in ubuntu-desktop too?01:09
crimsunI would say that being able to open a console to use wpa_supplicant.conf(5) is far more rescuable than staring at a black screen o' death once compiz is invoked01:09
marcin_antFujitsu: but is also limited and your point of view can be different than point of view of a lot of users with for example aDSL01:09
crimsunbut maybe I'm just more insane than most01:09
marcin_antFujitsu: afaik NM is not ready for this 01:09
Fujitsucrimsun: I just get white window borders. It's great.01:09
Fujitsumarcin_ant: There is no easier method of configuring ADSL currently, so it's not a regression.01:10
LaserJockah bummer, I didn't use the best versioning for the -proposed package01:10
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LaserJockoh wait, I did, I just didn't have it in the debdiff01:11
theCoremarcin_ant: I agree that PPPoE connections always been a pain to configure 01:11
tonyyarussoIs Feisty shipping with universe enabled?01:11
marcin_antFujitsu: well I don't agree - there is a lot of unofficial packages that make adsl connectivity pretty fast and easy01:11
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FujitsuHobbsee seems to be doing well.01:11
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crimsuntonyyarusso: the net-enabled install I did several weeks ago didn't01:11
FujitsuStaying this time, Hob... Apparently not.01:11
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marcin_antFujitsu: and the problem with NM is that it replaces old style networking configuration01:11
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tonyyarussocrimsun: hmm, ok.  Thought I'd heard that once01:11
theCore(she is running NM)01:12
Fujitsumarcin_ant: No... You can still use the old-style one if you wish.01:12
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marcin_antFujitsu: I use NM and I really appreciate this but imho it's not ready to use as default networking subsystem01:12
tonyyarussoMy irssi didn't see a netsplit01:13
crimsunwhat can I say, my irssi is more screwed than most (guess that's what happens when the shell runs Mandrake)01:13
theCorelet see if NM will work this time...01:13
marcin_antand it's development is unfortunately very slow in my opinion01:13
Hobbseecrimsun: didnt think it was a netsplit - was konvi sigsieving01:13
FujitsuHobbsee: Ah. KDE.01:14
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crimsunHobbsee: that's a feature!01:14
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Fujitsucrimsun: Mandrake!? Why? That's inhumane.01:14
Hobbseecrimsun: heh01:14
HobbseeFujitsu: it's svn.01:14
LaserJockahhhh stink, can we get around that silly Maintainer: thing yet?01:15
FujitsuLaserJock: Modify dpkg yourself, it's not hard.01:15
ajmitchor unset DEBEMAIL01:16
_MMA_tonyyarusso: RE: Universe enabled. I did a "Alt" disk install a week ago and it was. So, I dont know what will happen.01:16
tonyyarussoI had Mandrake on a box until last night :P01:16
crimsunright, seeing today's dpkg change.01:16
LaserJockI'm trying to do a no-change upload01:16
Fujitsuajmitch: I saw that change fly past last night... That's a nice workaround.01:16
crimsun  * scripts/dpkg-source.pl: Only fail to build the source package if $DEBEMAIL contains 'ubuntu'. If not, only print a warning.01:16
tonyyarusso_MMA_: noted - I'll guess we'll see in a few weeks01:16
LaserJockcrimsun: goodness sakes01:17
LaserJockso I need to unset DEBEMAIL01:17
HobbseeLaserJock: cant you set it to an @ubuntu.com address?01:18
crimsunLaserJock: see what andrew said ;)01:18
LaserJockit's a no-change upload01:18
Hobbseeah, right.  presumably build1 also dies?01:18
sistpotyno build1 works fine01:18
sistpoty(just tested it *g*)01:19
Fujitsusistpoty: I'm glad of that.01:19
tonyyarussowth?  Why does mondo depend on the -386 kernel?01:19
geserLaserJock: but the package has already ubuntu changes?01:20
tonyyarussoor something did...hold on01:20
crimsuntonyyarusso: err, in feisty? I don't see it listed.01:20
LaserJockgeser: I'm just trying to upload a ubuntu1 version to -updates01:20
crimsunwhat was the -proposed version?01:21
tonyyarussocrimsun: bah, it's a recommends - I'm using aptitude, so it grabbed it.01:21
crimsunLaserJock: ah01:22
crimsuntonyyarusso: the only Rec I see is dvd+rw-tools01:22
sistpotyFujitsu: will you upload azureus or shall I do it?01:22
LaserJocknot setting DEBEMAIL doesn't work :/01:22
Fujitsusistpoty: I'll do it.01:22
sistpotyFujitsu: thx01:22
crimsunLaserJock: dpkg -l dpkg |grep ^ii01:22
FujitsuLaserJock: Have you got the new dpkg-dev?01:22
Fujitsusistpoty: Doesn't it need more ACKs?01:23
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tonyyarussocrimsun: --recurse it01:23
FujitsuOh, of course.... Just 2 now.01:23
tonyyarussocrimsun: it's in mindi01:23
LaserJockhmm, I don't have dpkg-dev installed01:24
tonyyarussoIt has linux-amd64-generic | linux-386 | linux-powerpc, should have | linux-generic appended to that.01:24
LaserJockoh yes I do01:24
LaserJock1.13.24ubuntu5 01:24
tonyyarussoSays it's maintained by MOTU - anyone want to fix it quick ;)01:24
crimsunLaserJock: old, update.01:24
LaserJockI did01:25
LaserJockmust not have gotten to me yet01:25
crimsunii  dpkg           1.13.24ubuntu601:25
LaserJockI see it's ubuntu601:25
crimsunI know se.archive has it, too01:25
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shawarmastgraber: around?01:30
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theCoremeh, it didn't work01:32
LaserJockmy gosh01:33
theCoreshould I conclude that network-manager don't work with the madwifi driver?01:34
shawarmatheCore: No.01:34
shawarmatheCore: I'm using it.01:34
shawarmatheCore: Happily, even.01:34
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theCoreshawarma: atheros card?01:35
shawarmatheCore: Yes.01:35
Riddellsistpoty: you added verification-motu-done to bug 74408, what does that mean?01:35
UbugtuMalone bug 74408 in xdg-utils "[SRU] : xdg-utils for edgy-updates: 1.0 has syntax errors with dash" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7440801:35
theCorehmm... bizarre then 01:35
theCoreI wonder what I did wrong...01:35
sistpotyRiddell: we changed the sru policy... so only 2 "works for me" are needed and a 7 day delay01:35
LaserJocktheCore: works for me too01:35
sistpotyRiddell: so feel free to upload to -updates ;)01:36
theCore01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)01:36
jdongsistpoty: are there bonus brownies for more worksforme's? :D01:36
jdongsistpoty: or longer delays? :D01:36
shawarmatheCore: lspci -n | grep 01:07.001:36
sistpotyRiddell: (and as a side note, motu-sru will be gone, and any motu can upload to -proposed right away)01:36
theCoreshawarma: 01:07.0 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01)01:36
shawarmatheCore: Same as mine.01:36
Riddellsistpoty: would be good to have MOTU/SRU updated then01:37
sistpotyjdong: you might get a pony if you collect 20 works for me ;)01:37
crimsunRiddell: dholbach is addressing that.01:37
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sistpotyLaserJock: keep on trying ;)01:37
jdongsistpoty: yay!01:38
shawarmatheCore: File a bug.01:38
jdongI'd like... a ping pony01:38
jdongor blue01:38
LaserJockI finally got around the maintainer thing01:38
jdongor white01:38
RiddellLaserJock: 40 minutes!  it's taken me three months!01:38
LaserJockbut now my debdiff has 3 extra source files01:38
LaserJockRiddell: well, it was filed in Dec.01:38
theCoreshawarma: yeah, but I would like to know the source of the problem before01:38
sistpotyRiddell: sorry, I was about to add another comment describing that, but I've too many sru-bugs open in my browser right now *g*01:38
LaserJockI'm just trying to get it form -proposed to -updates today :-)01:38
crimsunjdong: sorry, I've laid claim to pink/blue/white ponies.01:39
jdongAWW I don't want the brown and orange ones :(01:39
jdongI see too much of that around my window borders.01:39
theCore"These cards also take an awful long time to scan, which further degrades their responsiveness." -- from http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware01:40
theCoremaybe I didn't wait long enough01:40
shawarmatheCore: does it not work at all? What happens?01:40
theCoreshawarma: it doesn't connect 01:41
theCoreshawarma: I don't get an IP from my router01:41
shawarmatheCore: Just to be sure: It's on feisty?01:41
theCoreshawarma: yes01:41
shawarmatheCore: Ok. Well, the interesting part is probably whatever wpasupplicant spews out.01:42
theCoreshawarma: well, I don't use wpasupplicant01:42
shawarmatheCore: Networkmanager does.01:42
sistpotyHobbsee: will you take care for uploading gtetrinet? or shall I do it?01:43
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Hobbseesistpoty: say what?01:43
Hobbseesistpoty: i dont know anything about gtetrinet01:43
sistpotyHobbsee: you sponsored the upload to -proposed back then https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtetrinet/+bug/7413301:43
UbugtuMalone bug 74133 in gtetrinet "[SRU]  gtetrinet crashes on first startup" [Medium,Fix committed]  01:43
shawarmatheCore: I believe there was a short while when we tried not using wpasupplicant when connecting to unprotected networks, but it failed miserably. IINMM we always use wpasupplicant now.01:44
Hobbseesistpoty: oh, sru's that i uploaded 3 months ago?  no wonder i didnt remember it01:44
Hobbseeum, i really do need to fidn some lunch here, can you handle it?01:45
sistpotyHobbsee: sure, no problem01:45
ajmitchgo eat, and leave us here all by ourselves01:45
Hobbseesistpoty: what do we do about xserver-xgl?01:45
Hobbseeajmitch: heh.  i will.  you all seemed to hold the fort in the MOTU meeting.01:45
Hobbseesistpoty: jdong's stuff.01:45
ajmitchHobbsee: why are you worried about xgl?01:45
sistpotyno idea? what's wrong with it?01:46
Hobbseesistpoty: i'm thinking that if we're going to accept potential crack, it'd be good to get as much testing as possible before release.01:46
Hobbseeajmitch: i was reading logs from earlier01:46
Hobbseeajmitch: i'm not.01:46
Hobbseesistpoty: it doesnt work in feisty.01:46
ajmitchthe "potential crack" is already in universe, and we're just trying to fix what01:47
ajmitch's there01:47
Hobbseetrue that01:47
sistpotyHobbsee: how about fixing it? *g*01:47
ajmitchit's a git snapshot in universe anyway01:47
Hobbseesistpoty: jdong already has, but it's got a uvfe attached to it01:47
sistpotyHobbsee: ah... well, uvf is not my realm :P01:47
theCoreshawarma: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9029/01:47
Hobbseesistpoty: i thought it was?01:47
shawarmatheCore: Your hdb looks broken. :-)01:48
sistpotyHobbsee: no, only sru... but as of tonight even that no longer :)01:48
Hobbseehehe, nice :)01:48
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theCoreshawarma: yeah, it got a Windows cd :)01:48
ajmitchsistpoty: do you think we should get rid of -uvf as well? ;)01:48
Hobbseeajmitch: i was meaning the change creating more crack :P01:48
sistpotyajmitch: no, ppl. in there don't need to write a thesis, do they? *G*01:49
shawarmatheCore: Heh.01:49
crimsunit's basically the same core people anyhow, stefan ;)01:49
shawarmatheCore: So nm shows you the linksys ap and you click it and nothing ever happens?01:49
theCoreshawarma: no, the `linksys' doesn't even show up 01:50
theCoreshawarma: I need to manually add it01:50
shawarmatheCore: what the..01:50
sistpotycrimsun: well, I guess we really should try to get a fresh member into motu-uvf for feisty +1... (I'd opted that for -sru as well, however that's past now)01:50
ajmitchHobbsee: I can't think of what other crack it may introduce01:50
shawarmatheCore: You add it manually?01:50
crimsunsistpoty: yes, good idea certainly01:51
theCoreshawarma: yes01:51
Hobbseesistpoty: i'd think about doing it, just for the kde side.01:51
theCoreshawarma: scanning doesn't seem to work01:51
theCoreeven though, iwlist scan my network fine01:51
shawarmatheCore: Is ath0 in your /etc/network/interfaces?01:51
sistpotyHobbsee: great... I hope I won't forget until we decide on s.th. like this ;)01:52
theCoreshawarma: I comment it when installed NM01:52
shawarmatheCore: Ok.01:52
Hobbseesistpoty: heh.01:52
shawarmatheCore: I'm too tired to get this right now. We can debug it tomorrow perhaps?01:54
theCoreshawarma: yeah, thanks01:54
shawarmatheCore: np01:54
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sistpotygrmbl... gnome packages... grmbl. someone should really remove /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk01:56
Hobbseesistpoty: why?01:56
sistpotyHobbsee: it's mangling the control file during build01:57
Hobbseesure that's not bloody yada?01:57
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theCoreI wonder if network-manager would work under fedora ...01:57
sistpotyHobbsee: no been facing such packages a few times already01:57
sistpotyhowever no yada ones yet :)01:58
sistpoty(or maybe only one or so)01:58
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crimsunmmm a nice LP beta oops01:59
LaserJockI think perhaps I can't build the source package on Feisty, for some reason01:59
LaserJockso I'm making a edgy chroot01:59
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imbrandonmoins all02:26
sistpotyhi imbrandon02:26
imbrandonello sistpoty 02:27
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tonyyarussoBitesize: bug 90272 for anyone interested - otherwise I might tackle it myself later02:30
UbugtuMalone bug 90272 in mindi "Recommends lacks generic kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9027202:30
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bddebianHeya gang02:40
gesernight bddebian :)02:41
bddebianHi geser02:41
gesertime to go to bed, it's nearly 3 am here02:42
bddebianEeks, gnight man02:42
Toadstoolhey bddebian 02:44
bddebianHi Toadstool02:44
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bddebianGnight sistpoty02:45
sistpotygn8 everyone02:45
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Toadstoolbddebian: well, these guys are in Europe and I didn't sleep at all this week-end ;)02:47
Toadstoolspent the whole week-end gambling in Vegas... + a soccer game last night, I am freakin' exhausted :p02:48
bddebianThat'll do it02:48
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zuldamn nickserv03:25
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ScottKLaserJock: I'm back now.03:39
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joejaxxis there are freeze on updates to non-new packages already in the universe repository?03:47
ajmitchjoejaxx: upstream version freeze03:50
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_MMA_ajmitch: We have some metas that need their app lists updated. I think I was told that they can be updated like they were bug-fixes.03:52
_MMA_"We" being Joe and I.03:53
imbrandonno new upstream versions, as long as its alocal bug fix03:53
_MMA_Just changing a list of apps in a meta.03:54
ajmitchthey'll just be native packages, I don't see a problem with that03:58
_MMA_One thing we have to change is to move from ardour in our list to ardour2 when crimsun finishes it.03:59
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_MMA_We've been waiting a little on that.04:00
joejaxxhello superm1 :)04:02
superm1hey joejaxx 04:02
superm1Hm where are the password change forums for moinmoin, (help.ubuntu.com)04:03
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TheMusocrimsun: Anywhere between 07:00 and 11:00UTC, or 19:00UTC and later. The first set is evening/night for me, and the second is early morning and into the day.04:15
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crimsunTheMuso: ok, thanks04:21
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TheMusocrimsun: np04:36
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TheMusocrimsun: But with enough notice, I can make any time at the moment.04:37
crimsunI'd like to gather an ubuntu-audio meeting (open to the public, of course) so we can go over some basic triaging policy, walk through some -{kernel,driver} work, etc.04:38
crimsunit'd be educational to everyone IMO04:38
TheMusoI understand a lot of driver/kernel concepts, but am not up on the coding side of things.04:39
TheMusodamn wrong console04:43
_MMA_crimsun: Im sure you will, but remind us Ubuntu Studio guys when you get that meeting together.04:49
crimsun_MMA_: sure thing04:49
ScottKIf pbuilder whines "warning; no utmp entry avaiable and LOGNAME not defined..." is it a problem?  If so, I'd appreciate hints on what needs fixing?04:54
crimsunit's not fatal, no.04:54
crimsunnor does it cause pbuilder to generate trojaned binaries ;)04:55
ScottKThanks.  Sounds good enough for tonight.  I'll learn more about it later.04:57
Toadstoolgrah! why the heck does update-manager require more than 38Mbytes free on /boot when the whole kernel+initramfs needs less than 12?!05:12
lifelessto build the new kernel and initramfs on upgrades?05:13
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Toadstoollifeless: never had any issues with my 50Mbytes /boot before, why would it be a problem now? :(05:15
tonyyarussoToadstool: b/c you have other kernels stored there and it's going to fill up.  You can remove some you don't need anymore05:15
Toadstoolanyways, not a big deal, I can cope with that ^^05:16
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LaserJockScottK: sorry, I forgot. I fixed up my scripts a bit06:01
LaserJockScottK: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-ubuntu and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-debian06:02
ScottKThe unfixed one is working pretty well for me.06:03
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ScottKIf I'm using simple-patchsys.mk for patches and they fail to apply, what's the easiest way to test modifications to the patches to see if they apply?06:05
crimsunyou should totally use cdbs-edit-patch06:07
crimsundpatch-edit-patch and cdbs-edit-patch are lifesavers06:07
ScottKThanks.  I'll look into it.  This is my first attempt to use a patch system in one of my packages...06:08
LaserJockScottK: pitti did a really good patching tutorial06:08
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LaserJockoh sorry06:09
LaserJockMOTU/School/ has a link06:09
ScottKThat is useful.  I think I've about run out of steam for the night, so good night.06:14
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LaserJockman, my laptop must suck06:16
ajmitchwhy so?06:17
LaserJockmy AMD 1800+ does a dist-upgrad about twice as fast as my Celeron 2.8GHz laptop06:18
LaserJockit takes it ~1min to unpack a pbuilder06:18
RAOFlaptop harddrivesw suck06:18
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=== RAOF 's laptop is ~ 4 times as fast as his desktop.
=== ajmitch wouldn't mind a laptop 4x faster than my desktop
Lathiatyeh hard drives are what do it06:20
ajmitch4x CPU speed, 4x RAM, etc06:20
ajmitchit'd be nice :)06:20
RAOFIt's what you get for having a new laptop and an oldish desktop06:21
=== ajmitch wonders if you can find a laptop with > 8GB of RAM
LaserJockI'd like a laptop with 1GB of ram06:21
TheMusois it possible/allowed to add udev rules to a package?06:22
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ajmitch1GB of RAM for a laptop isn't bad06:25
ajmitchTheMuso: should be06:25
ajmitchconsidering how many packages add udev rules :)06:25
TheMusoI take it you've seen many?06:28
ajmitchlook in /etc/udev/rules.d06:29
crimsunTheMuso: yes, it is.06:29
ajmitchplenty of package rules there, like brltty, libgphoto206:29
crimsunsane offhand does06:29
TheMusoOk, thanks guys.06:29
LaserJockman, I so love an AMD64 with 2GB of RAM06:30
ajmitchit'd be a bit of a step down06:30
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LaserJockyeah yeah06:30
LaserJockI'd love like a 3GHz P4 even06:31
ajmitchnow a decent laptop like that, I'd take06:31
nixternalyou people never seem to amaze me06:31
nixternalSLEEP ALREADY!06:31
ajmitchit's only 6:30!06:32
nixternalLaserJock: I have a celery 1.6 with 2gb of ram, please send me a bigger and badder laptop to put my 2gb of ram into06:32
nixternalmy desktop crashed and burned, either mobo or cpu, athlon xp2000+. I can't find a socket A mobo, but there is a combo deal at newegg for a sempron 64 2800+ and biostar mobo for $65. I am debating on that06:33
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nixternalif I get that combo deal, I will just turn it into a dev box with a 250gb hard drive, stick it in a closet and rock and roll06:34
nixternalthere was a guy in my LUG that has a amd64 and mobo for sale, but he hasn't been online the past 2 days06:34
ajmitchonly a single 250GB drive?06:35
nixternalmore than enough06:36
ajmitchyou'd go through that in a few weeks06:36
nixternalI have a G4 minus a video card for trade :)06:36
nixternalajmitch: SAN to the rescue06:36
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=== ajmitch will just stick with a few sata drives for now
nixternalthe only sata drive I have is in this laptop06:37
ajmitchI don't need to replace the drives just yet06:37
ajmitchwhich is good, since the motherboard only has 4 sata ports06:37
nixternalI really only use my laptop now, but it is good to have some test machines lying around06:38
ajmitchthe case has room for about 12 drives06:38
nixternalsounds like my lian-li case with the dead mobo06:39
LaserJockmy laptop is an advanced ssh terminal06:39
ajmitchwell, 9 in the usual 3.5" drive bays06:39
ajmitchit is a lian-li case06:39
nixternalit has more realestate than trump06:39
nixternalLaserJock: so is mine, ssh term that is. I try to sell Linux to everyone, and when they come and look all they see is this dos looking thing, or if the gui is up, yakuake with ssh terms and irssi, and emacs06:40
nixternalajmitch: haha same here06:40
ajmitchbig black full tower case06:40
nixternalahh, I got the silver one06:40
nixternalI got it for $150 from Canada when they first came out06:41
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nixternalnice. when I did hardware reviews for HardOCP and VH back in the late 90's early 2000's, I got a couple from them, but sold them on ebay06:41
ajmitchusing screen in each terminal :)06:41
nixternalsometimes I wish I would have kept some of that stuff06:41
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nixternalmy laptop is the first computer I have paid money for since about 2000/200106:42
nixternalI will have to replace my CRT as well, and it is Ubuntu's fault06:42
ajmitchwhy would it be ubuntu's fault?06:42
nixternalbecause ubuntu pushes a 17xx x xxxx resolution to a 1600x1200 max crt, I heard a pop06:43
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nixternalI can still use the monitor, but only at 1280x1024 @ 60hz06:43
ajmitchheh, nice06:44
nixternalif I boot from a livecd, the monitor will start to whistle very loudly06:44
nixternalbecause it is trying that 17xx resolution06:44
ajmitchthis monitor will do max 1600x1200 comfortably06:44
ajmitchI've never seen anything drive it over that06:44
nixternalSyncMaster 955DF is what I have06:44
nixternalI have had it since the late 90's as well, I love it06:44
nixternallove(d) I guess06:44
ajmitchall I know is that this is some digital crt06:45
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ajmitcheisa: DEC06f906:46
ajmitchthat's all ddcprobe tells me :)06:46
nixternalI bought a bunch of these cheap 21" crts, daewoo a few years back that are pretty rock solid, they were like $75 USD ea refurbed06:46
nixternalI had a 21" LCD, but during my move, i broke it06:47
nixternalthat was a hand me down too06:47
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nixternalheh, I have a 15" viewsonic rocking out on my only working test computer right now06:48
nixternalI would like to find some 17" LCDs, refurbed for cheap so I can redo my desk and just hang them on the wall06:48
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nothlitcheap ones aren't designed to be wall mounted usually07:19
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robitailleanyone knows the date of the next MOTU meeting?  The wiki says "Tuesday March 23rd" which is clearly wrong...since the 23rd is a Friday.07:43
robitaillemaybe Tuesday the 27th?07:44
crimsunno, same day as TB (20th), earlier time of day07:44
robitailleTB is on the 27th according to the Fridge calendar07:45
crimsunhmm, yes, the 27th.07:46
robitaillethanks crimsun; the Fridge has now been updated07:48
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supervillainHi everyone, I need to package an init script, with cron.d and /etc/default/ config file, is there a Hello like package for init scripts?07:52
crimsunwell, you could see feisty's apport source package07:54
supervillainok, I'll try it, thanks!07:55
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muzzolhow can i unsuscribre from launchpad bugs list?08:57
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LaserJockmuzzol: how do you mean? a particular bug?08:59
muzzoli receive lot of [Bug 90230]  mails08:59
UbugtuMalone bug 90230 in gimp "gimp: single window screenshot doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9023008:59
muzzoland i dont rememebre the exact url where i suscribe it09:00
LaserJockthat's because you are subscribd to something09:00
LaserJockdid you do it for a particular package?09:00
muzzolyes, but the mails dont give any information about it09:00
muzzoli supose is from ubuntustudio09:00
muzzolbut i can't find any info09:01
muzzoli think this mails should indicate where you can unsuscribe09:01
muzzolor at least09:01
muzzolwhere to find information09:01
LaserJockwell, it's not always easy09:02
LaserJockbut there is a launchpad bug about that09:02
muzzolnice one09:02
LaserJockit could be coming from https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio/+packagebugs09:03
LaserJockin which case the only way to get rid of it is to filter it or leave the ubuntustudio team09:03
muzzoli'm starting to understand the complains about launchpad09:04
LaserJockwell, it's not trivial I don't think to have a team subscribed to packages and then selectively have people not subscribed09:05
LaserJockteams are sort of all or nothing at this point09:06
Laser_awaygotta run, sorry09:06
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dholbachgood morning09:14
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AstralJavaMorning dholbach.09:36
AstralJavaA basic question; how does one debug perl stuff when pbuilding, cause the components used at chroot install time can't be handled with?09:37
dholbachhi AstralJava09:37
AstralJavaHmmm, I guess I could, by providing a local repo and tweaking the file inside the debs in that local repository?09:38
AstralJavaBut is there no other way?09:38
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mrevellHey guys - the first Launchpad users meeting is on at 17:00 UTC in #launchpad today. It'd be great to get your questions, suggestions, complaints, praise, etc.11:10
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AnAntajmitch: ping12:03
TheMusoAnAnt: He's likely to not be around I would think.12:07
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LongPointyStickoh, 4am.12:30
TheMusoYes, a little too early IMO.12:31
TheMusoOh and gotta love the flood of accepted messages on -devel.12:31
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siretartimbrandon: around?01:03
davieyhe was01:09
davieybeen idle for nearly 8 hrs tho :P01:09
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ubotuTo reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes01:18
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:18
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fernandohow can i to install a package (apt-get or aptitute) without run postinstall?03:41
fernandos/postinstall/configure the package/03:46
asimonfernando: with 'dpkg --unpack' you can unpack the package without configuring it. running postinst is part of the configure step.03:48
fernandoasimon: i need to suppress all dialogs on intall process. exists a way to do this?03:50
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superm1hey guys lirc is fairly borked right now, and I'm pretty sure that a uvfe will need to be done for it.  the last release was 0.8.1, which added 2.6.19 compat.  CVS has 2.6.20.  i was going to package a CVS snapshot for it, since it looks like it is quite a bit of patches involved. will a CVS snapshot be acceptable for a uvfe still, or should i try to work through all of the patches to find all the 2.6.20 related ones?03:52
asimonfernando: I dunno. With debconf -p critical you can suppress all conf-dialogs with a priority less then critical. But I don't know how to supress them all.03:52
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fernandoasimon: thank you03:56
bddebianHeya gang03:56
superm1hey bddebian 03:57
bddebianHi superm103:57
superm1right before you stepped in - i mentioned something, "hey guys lirc is fairly borked right now, and I'm pretty sure that a uvfe will need to be done for it.  the last release was 0.8.1, which added 2.6.19 compat.  CVS has 2.6.20.  i was going to package a CVS snapshot for it, since it looks like it is quite a bit of patches involved. will a CVS snapshot be acceptable for a uvfe still, or should i try to work through all of the patc03:57
superm1hes to find all the 2.6.20 related ones?" could you comment on that?03:57
zulsuperm1: does the lirc snapshot ifdef their drivers? then it should be easy to pickout the 2.6.20 ones03:59
superm1zul, for some of the drivers yes04:00
superm1but not every one04:00
superm1eg, i know atiusb broke04:00
superm1but it has nothing ifdef'ing 2.6.20 in it04:00
zulwell that sucks04:00
superm1so zul what is the best way to approach this then?  I can just have a big patch that brings it up to CVS version without a uvfe?04:02
superm1until the next formal release04:02
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imbrandonsiretart, pong04:11
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zulsuperm1: I think so, thats what I would do atleast04:16
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stgrabershawarma: around ?05:15
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stgrabershawarma: Ok, I'll e-mail you with the results (still not good :()05:26
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_MMA_Hey guys. Can LGPL software be statically linked with GPL-ed software?05:49
bddebianRe-license the LGPL to GPL! :-)05:54
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_MMA_bddebian: If it were only that easy. :)05:55
_MMA_Is glibc LGPL?05:55
hermanr_It used to be.05:56
hermanr_And that was Stallman's call.05:56
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hermanr_Hence, I think it's OK.05:56
_MMA_Im getting a "yes" to my question on another channel and thats the example.05:57
hermanr_No sweat, then.05:58
hermanr_This reminds me about the musings of whether observant Jews can live beyond the Arctic circles.05:59
hermanr_musings on*05:59
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shawarmastgraber: Hmm... That looks interesting.06:22
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elian_m<elian_m> hi there, how does ubiquity translation work? Rosetta?07:35
elian_m<elian_m> I'm the d-i translator for Albanian, I'd like to see the rest of the front-end translated too07:35
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LaserJockman, this is the center of activity today :-)08:25
zulLaserJock: hmmm08:26
TheMusoHey MOTUs.08:26
LaserJockthat's better08:26
LaserJockI was getting lonely08:26
tsmithehey TheMuso (/me evily assumes title of MOTU)08:26
TheMusotsmithe: heh08:27
tsmithedon't forget the MOTU Hopefuls ;)08:27
tonyyarussoOoooh where, oh where did my upstream dev go, oh where oh where can he beeeee....  I'd like a new tarball to play with you see,  so please send one my way before threee.08:27
bddebianHeya LaserJock, TheMuso, tsmithe, etc..08:27
bddebianNow, get over and get bug triaging!! :-)08:27
tsmithenot Hug Day yet08:27
tsmithe(is it? /me forgot)08:27
TheMusoI will once I completely wake up, and have gone through mail.08:27
bddebiantsmithe: It's bdmurray's hug day, not the Universe one.  And every day should be hug day :-)08:28
tsmithealso, i've got school work to do (note my complete lack of enthusiasm for bug triaging fun atm)08:28
tsmithesorry, mate08:28
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bddebianYeah, yeah, excuses, excuses :)08:30
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LaserJockanybody working on ajmitch's list?08:31
\shrc bug fixing?08:32
\shfrom debian?08:32
\shI have klamav on my list...08:32
LaserJockwe need to at least get the ones requiring UVFes going soon08:33
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LaserJocknaughty naughty ajmitch ;-)08:35
zulajmitch: slacker08:35
LaserJockalthough I suppose you should be excused because you made the list08:35
tonyyarussoUm, the last tinyurl in the /topic leads to a restricted portion of Launchpad - is that intentional?08:36
\shremove the beta ;)08:36
ajmitchLaserJock: so?08:37
zulthats frigging annoying :)08:37
tonyyarussoyeah, but that's annoying08:37
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zulor 308:37
tonyyarussoActually, even removing the beta doesn't give anything useful.08:38
tonyyarussooh well08:38
LaserJocktonyyarusso: which part of the topic?08:38
LaserJockthat could have been me :/08:38
tonyyarussoLaserJock: http://tinyurl.com/2v32u408:38
\shthis one I think08:38
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LaserJockthat was probably me :(08:39
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LaserJockthere I fixed it ;-)08:41
TheMusoThat topic actually makes sense. :)08:43
TheMusoNot that I wasn't really able to understand the topic previously.08:44
cbx33LaserJock, LP beta?08:45
tsmithe\o/ for beta08:45
LaserJockthe beta testers get Beta by default08:46
LaserJockso if I paste a URL I have to make sure to take out the .beta in the URL08:46
cbx33ping ajmitch 08:47
herzislomo: ping08:50
herzislomo: can you look into https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-launch-box/+bug/90439 please?08:50
UbugtuMalone bug 90439 in gnome-launch-box "gnome-launch-box 0.2 is out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  08:50
herziI think this release fixes at least one of the other reported bugs08:50
TheMusoum... What is bitesyze supposed to mean?08:50
TheMusofor tagging universe bugs?08:50
LaserJocksmall tasks good for Hopefuls08:51
ajmitchcbx33: hi, I'm just here for a couple of minutes before I head off for work08:51
cbx33ajmitch, pm?08:51
cbx33really quick08:51
cbx33did you get it?08:51
\shherzi: for this we need an UVF exception report08:54
TheMusoLaserJock: ah ok thanks.08:54
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lizardkingHello everybody! Could someone tell me what I have to do to remove this advice and pulish finally the package ? http://rafb.net/p/3Wng5613.html08:58
herzi\sh: we can get the exception if it actually fixes a really nasty bug, can't we?08:58
lizardkinghere is the REVU entry http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=454708:58
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tonyyarussolizardking: for the .bzr dir issue, talk to your upstream and get them to remove it; if that's a no go, you'll have to modify the orig yourself :(  For copyright, you should include the Preface of the GPL only, and then a line of "For the full text, see /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL", or some such.  The changelog needs a date, in the format output by 822-date I think is the name.  For the executable, just do the chmod command given on09:02
\shherzi: sure09:02
lizardkingtonyyarusso: ok many thanks man! i will do you advices! It is my first contribution to Ubuntu so I'm a bit frustrated ;)09:03
tonyyarussolizardking: Pretty new to this aspect myself :)09:04
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lizardkingtonyyarusso: do you? nice to be like you...09:05
tonyyarussolizardking: I'm currently hoping to get my first package done, but I'm waiting for a new tarball from upstream before hacking away again.  Seems he's too tired from skiing with his son or something :S09:06
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lizardkingtonyyarusso: fun! ^__^09:06
lizardkingtonyyarusso: what's your package?09:07
tonyyarussolizardking: The next version of Nvu (WYSIWYG web page creator)09:07
bddebianLater folks09:08
lizardkingtonyyarusso: wonderful! Do you think they put you new NVU in feisty? 09:09
tonyyarussolizardking: Maybe.  I'd need an exemption at this point, since the regular deadline is passed, but if I can get everything working okay within the next week there's a chance.09:10
lizardkingtonyyarusso: Do you know how to get a exemption?09:11
tonyyarussolizardking: Theoretically.  A bug assigned to motu-uvf.09:12
tonyyarussoNot sure if there's much more to it.09:12
lizardkingtonyyarusso: Where I get the buglist of motu-uvf?09:12
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\shlizardking: how to report a UVF report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess (check the motu/universe section)09:15
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\shlizardking: bug list of motu-uvf team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess09:16
lizardkingtonyyarusso: thanks! it was the info I was searchinf for...09:16
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tonyyarussoyeah, that's the link09:17
tonyyarussoI'm still waiting for it to load :S09:17
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lizardkingtonyyarusso: ehehe. tonyyarusso please last question.. what about that: "* to generate the tarball, please use ./autogen.sh && make dist " ? what I have to do?09:20
tonyyarussolizardking: autugen.sh must be a script that comes with your source - just issue that command from within your source directory09:21
lizardkingtonyyarusso: but I have it on my src dir!09:21
lizardkingtonyyarusso: lizardking@iac:~/Desktop/oransun$ ls -l autogen.sh 09:21
lizardking-rwxr-xr-x 1 lizardking lizardking 226 2007-02-09 13:44 autogen.sh09:21
LaserJockautogen creates the ./configure and other autotools stuff09:22
lizardkingLaserJock: ok09:22
lizardkingLaserJock: so? I have to remove configure and co?09:22
LaserJockgenerally sofware authors run ./autogen before distributing the source09:22
LaserJocklizardking: it's already in there?09:22
lizardkingLaserJock: look here http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/oransun-look-0703051320/oransun-look-0.2/autogen.sh09:23
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LaserJockI'm not sure what running autogen.sh would do for you then09:25
LaserJockmaybe he didn't see that it had already been done09:25
lizardkingLaserJock: eh. It is that what I was thinking09:27
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slomoherzi: will do tomorrow...09:38
slomoherzi: i wanted to look at the new release anyway09:39
herzislomo: thank you09:39
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LaserJockbtw, beta has our +filebug tagging feature now10:33
ajmitchnow we just need it in production10:34
ajmitchthough I may use it for some mass filing10:34
LaserJockajmitch: try https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced?field.tags=universe-request10:35
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LaserJockI gotta figure out how to do my .procmailrc12:11
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