=== rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] sistpoty: looks good. [12:30] crimsun: good, because I've already sent it... sorry [12:30] hehe, np === sistpoty blames too much coffee *g* === ptitdav69 [n=ptitdav6@84.39.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] ScottK: still around? [12:36] anyone who'd like to help me with uploading SRU's to -updates? [12:37] sistpoty: how many are there? [12:37] LaserJock: I guess around 20 or so that are ready [12:37] https://launchpad.net/~motu-sru/+subscribedbugs === sistpoty already did dosemu and is on xmms-sid [12:39] (since these are mine) === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] what about bug #70495 [12:40] Malone bug 70495 in rpy "[SRU] python-rpy doesn't follow debian python policy" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70495 [12:40] it's my SRU [12:41] LaserJock: if it's > 7 days + has 2 works for me, fire away ;) [12:41] I haven't gotten a 2nd "works for me" exactly but it's been fixed in Debian/Feisty and is trivial [12:42] should I get a 2nd? [12:42] yes. [12:42] yes, please [12:42] bah :-) [12:42] I pick the SRUs that nobody tests [12:42] argl... why didn't I doublecheck my changes-file for a 2nd changelog entry... damn -v option *g* [12:42] I've had one in Main for a few months now [12:43] LaserJock: try asking around, maybe in #ubuntu or so... /me had luck in #ubuntu-de :) [12:44] I can test it, but you have to give me about 15 minutes to create an edgy pbuilder. [12:44] I'll go to #ubuntu :-) [12:44] give them something to do [12:45] tsmithe: / TheMuso: what are good times+days for an ubuntu-audio meeting? [12:45] I need to start this transition ASAP so we're not left in the lurch === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-078-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] hmm === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] anybody in here want to test an Edgy package real quick? [12:50] #ubuntu seems maybe a bit preoccupied [12:50] LaserJock: can I test it in a chroot? or would I need a real machine? [12:51] chroot's fine [12:51] ok [12:51] just install python-rpy [12:51] and fire up python and import rpy [12:52] ... installing [12:55] LaserJock: works for me [12:55] it imported ok? [12:55] LaserJock: yes [12:55] good === sistpoty even tested one function in there :P [12:55] I can't say the same for when I just tried it on feisty :/ [12:56] mm, lunch [12:56] LaserJock: same here :( === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] well, fix one bug ... find another [12:57] sistpoty: how have you been doing the changelogs? [12:58] LaserJock: I've been adding "No-change upload, propagating to ...-updates" and "Tested by: names of testers" [12:58] LaserJock: and building with dpkg-buildpackage ... -vlastversionbeforeproposed [12:59] -S -us -uc [12:59] I've also used the new ClosingBugsFromChangelog syntax [12:59] LaserJock: e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-sid/+bug/82692 [12:59] Malone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU] xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Fix committed] [12:59] crimsun: does it work yet? [12:59] sistpoty: dunno, I've always manually set Fixed Committed/Released [01:00] ah :) [01:00] since it's policy, however, I just follow it === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] well, even then, I guess ubuntu-sru should let it into -updates before the bug should get marked fix released === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] right, I don't mark FR until I can apt* install [01:01] yeah, right [01:01] hmm... I don't like that. NetworkManager in ubuntu-desktop... [01:02] I wonder if it === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6dd194d2c95c25b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] it is working [01:02] it works for certain chipsets and certain networks [01:02] e.g., works with ipw2195abg using ipw2200 on open/wep/wpa[2] [01:03] and what about atheros? [01:03] It's still far from perfect though [01:03] I don't have any atheros hw to test [01:03] works on mine === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] the only thing I have a problem with is static IPs [01:03] hooray, I've trashed my edgy chroot... thanks dbus :( [01:04] I doesn't work on mine though, and it block my connection when it's installed [01:04] IMHO, this is a bad, bad bug... [01:04] My gripes: No way to manage whether a network is "trusted" or "added" (or whatever the terms are), no way to delete remembered networks that no longer apply, and it messes up my DNS stuff so I can't be connected to the internet wired and my local wifi lan at the same time. [01:04] network-manager in desktop is arguably much more useful than compiz bling [01:04] I will give it another try and see if it works now [01:05] true === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@202.61.173.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] theCore: when you say blocks - did you uncomment in /etc/network/interfaces? === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] tonyyarusso: uncomment? [01:06] hi all [01:06] theCore: The interface can't be managed the normal way and by NM at the same time. See the NM instructions on the wiki [01:06] crimsun: I think that there will be much more trouble with network manager than with compiz... [01:07] marcin_ant: Possibly, but NM is actually vaguely useful. [01:07] I agree [01:07] but regardless, we get both [01:07] so we gotta make the best of the situation :-) [01:07] crimsun: agreed, having NM for my laptop is far more important than wobbly bits [01:09] compiz is in ubuntu-desktop too? [01:09] I would say that being able to open a console to use wpa_supplicant.conf(5) is far more rescuable than staring at a black screen o' death once compiz is invoked [01:09] Fujitsu: but is also limited and your point of view can be different than point of view of a lot of users with for example aDSL [01:09] but maybe I'm just more insane than most [01:09] Fujitsu: afaik NM is not ready for this [01:09] crimsun: I just get white window borders. It's great. [01:09] nice [01:10] marcin_ant: There is no easier method of configuring ADSL currently, so it's not a regression. [01:10] ah bummer, I didn't use the best versioning for the -proposed package === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] oh wait, I did, I just didn't have it in the debdiff [01:11] phew [01:11] marcin_ant: I agree that PPPoE connections always been a pain to configure [01:11] Is Feisty shipping with universe enabled? [01:11] Fujitsu: well I don't agree - there is a lot of unofficial packages that make adsl connectivity pretty fast and easy === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] Hobbsee seems to be doing well. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] tonyyarusso: the net-enabled install I did several weeks ago didn't [01:11] Staying this time, Hob... Apparently not. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] Fujitsu: and the problem with NM is that it replaces old style networking configuration === ajmitch looks for a stapler [01:11] crimsun: hmm, ok. Thought I'd heard that once [01:12] (she is running NM) [01:12] marcin_ant: No... You can still use the old-style one if you wish. === theCore ducks [01:12] irssi thinks that sarah rejoining is: 19:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Hobbsee [01:12] Fujitsu: I use NM and I really appreciate this but imho it's not ready to use as default networking subsystem [01:13] My irssi didn't see a netsplit [01:13] what can I say, my irssi is more screwed than most (guess that's what happens when the shell runs Mandrake) [01:13] let see if NM will work this time... [01:13] and it's development is unfortunately very slow in my opinion [01:13] crimsun: didnt think it was a netsplit - was konvi sigsieving [01:14] Hobbsee: Ah. KDE. === Fujitsu ducks. [01:14] Hobbsee: that's a feature! === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] crimsun: Mandrake!? Why? That's inhumane. [01:14] crimsun: heh [01:14] Fujitsu: it's svn. [01:15] ahhhh stink, can we get around that silly Maintainer: thing yet? [01:15] no [01:15] LaserJock: Modify dpkg yourself, it's not hard. [01:15] dpkg-dev [01:16] or unset DEBEMAIL [01:16] <_MMA_> tonyyarusso: RE: Universe enabled. I did a "Alt" disk install a week ago and it was. So, I dont know what will happen. [01:16] I had Mandrake on a box until last night :P [01:16] right, seeing today's dpkg change. [01:16] I'm trying to do a no-change upload [01:16] ajmitch: I saw that change fly past last night... That's a nice workaround. [01:16] * scripts/dpkg-source.pl: Only fail to build the source package if $DEBEMAIL contains 'ubuntu'. If not, only print a warning. [01:16] _MMA_: noted - I'll guess we'll see in a few weeks [01:17] crimsun: goodness sakes [01:17] so I need to unset DEBEMAIL [01:18] LaserJock: cant you set it to an @ubuntu.com address? [01:18] LaserJock: see what andrew said ;) [01:18] it's a no-change upload [01:18] ah, right. presumably build1 also dies? [01:18] no build1 works fine [01:19] (just tested it *g*) [01:19] sistpoty: I'm glad of that. [01:19] bah [01:19] wth? Why does mondo depend on the -386 kernel? [01:20] LaserJock: but the package has already ubuntu changes? [01:20] or something did...hold on [01:20] tonyyarusso: err, in feisty? I don't see it listed. [01:20] geser: I'm just trying to upload a ubuntu1 version to -updates [01:21] what was the -proposed version? [01:21] -ubuntu1~prop1 [01:21] crimsun: bah, it's a recommends - I'm using aptitude, so it grabbed it. [01:22] LaserJock: ah [01:22] tonyyarusso: the only Rec I see is dvd+rw-tools [01:22] Fujitsu: will you upload azureus or shall I do it? [01:22] not setting DEBEMAIL doesn't work :/ [01:22] sistpoty: I'll do it. [01:22] Fujitsu: thx [01:22] LaserJock: dpkg -l dpkg |grep ^ii [01:22] LaserJock: Have you got the new dpkg-dev? [01:23] sistpoty: Doesn't it need more ACKs? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] crimsun: --recurse it [01:23] Oh, of course.... Just 2 now. [01:23] ;) [01:23] crimsun: it's in mindi [01:24] hmm, I don't have dpkg-dev installed [01:24] It has linux-amd64-generic | linux-386 | linux-powerpc, should have | linux-generic appended to that. [01:24] oh yes I do [01:24] 1.13.24ubuntu5 [01:24] Says it's maintained by MOTU - anyone want to fix it quick ;) [01:24] LaserJock: old, update. [01:25] I did [01:25] nope. [01:25] must not have gotten to me yet [01:25] ii dpkg 1.13.24ubuntu6 [01:25] I see it's ubuntu6 [01:25] I know se.archive has it, too === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] stgraber: around? === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] meh, it didn't work [01:33] my gosh [01:34] should I conclude that network-manager don't work with the madwifi driver? [01:34] theCore: No. [01:34] theCore: I'm using it. [01:34] theCore: Happily, even. === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] shawarma: atheros card? [01:35] theCore: Yes. [01:35] sistpoty: you added verification-motu-done to bug 74408, what does that mean? [01:35] Malone bug 74408 in xdg-utils "[SRU] : xdg-utils for edgy-updates: 1.0 has syntax errors with dash" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74408 [01:35] hmm... bizarre then [01:35] 168c:0013 [01:35] I wonder what I did wrong... [01:35] Riddell: we changed the sru policy... so only 2 "works for me" are needed and a 7 day delay [01:35] theCore: works for me too [01:36] Riddell: so feel free to upload to -updates ;) [01:36] 01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) [01:36] sistpoty: are there bonus brownies for more worksforme's? :D [01:36] sistpoty: or longer delays? :D [01:36] theCore: lspci -n | grep 01:07.0 [01:36] Riddell: (and as a side note, motu-sru will be gone, and any motu can upload to -proposed right away) [01:36] shawarma: 01:07.0 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01) [01:36] theCore: Same as mine. [01:37] sistpoty: would be good to have MOTU/SRU updated then [01:37] jdong: you might get a pony if you collect 20 works for me ;) [01:37] Riddell: dholbach is addressing that. === LaserJock is now on 40min trying to get this stupid thing uploaded to -updates :/ [01:37] LaserJock: keep on trying ;) [01:38] sistpoty: yay! [01:38] theCore: File a bug. [01:38] I'd like... a ping pony [01:38] pink* [01:38] or blue [01:38] I finally got around the maintainer thing [01:38] or white [01:38] LaserJock: 40 minutes! it's taken me three months! [01:38] but now my debdiff has 3 extra source files [01:38] Riddell: well, it was filed in Dec. [01:38] shawarma: yeah, but I would like to know the source of the problem before [01:38] Riddell: sorry, I was about to add another comment describing that, but I've too many sru-bugs open in my browser right now *g* [01:38] I'm just trying to get it form -proposed to -updates today :-) [01:39] jdong: sorry, I've laid claim to pink/blue/white ponies. [01:39] AWW I don't want the brown and orange ones :( [01:39] I see too much of that around my window borders. [01:40] "These cards also take an awful long time to scan, which further degrades their responsiveness." -- from http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware [01:40] maybe I didn't wait long enough [01:40] theCore: does it not work at all? What happens? [01:41] shawarma: it doesn't connect [01:41] shawarma: I don't get an IP from my router [01:41] theCore: Just to be sure: It's on feisty? [01:41] shawarma: yes [01:42] theCore: Ok. Well, the interesting part is probably whatever wpasupplicant spews out. [01:42] shawarma: well, I don't use wpasupplicant [01:42] theCore: Networkmanager does. [01:43] hmm... [01:43] Hobbsee: will you take care for uploading gtetrinet? or shall I do it? === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] sistpoty: say what? [01:43] sistpoty: i dont know anything about gtetrinet [01:43] Hobbsee: you sponsored the upload to -proposed back then https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtetrinet/+bug/74133 [01:43] Malone bug 74133 in gtetrinet "[SRU] gtetrinet crashes on first startup" [Medium,Fix committed] [01:44] theCore: I believe there was a short while when we tried not using wpasupplicant when connecting to unprotected networks, but it failed miserably. IINMM we always use wpasupplicant now. [01:44] sistpoty: oh, sru's that i uploaded 3 months ago? no wonder i didnt remember it [01:44] hehe [01:45] um, i really do need to fidn some lunch here, can you handle it? [01:45] Hobbsee: sure, no problem [01:45] go eat, and leave us here all by ourselves [01:45] sistpoty: what do we do about xserver-xgl? [01:45] ajmitch: heh. i will. you all seemed to hold the fort in the MOTU meeting. [01:45] xserver-xgl? [01:45] sistpoty: jdong's stuff. [01:45] Hobbsee: why are you worried about xgl? [01:46] no idea? what's wrong with it? [01:46] sistpoty: i'm thinking that if we're going to accept potential crack, it'd be good to get as much testing as possible before release. [01:46] ajmitch: i was reading logs from earlier [01:46] ajmitch: i'm not. [01:46] sistpoty: it doesnt work in feisty. [01:47] the "potential crack" is already in universe, and we're just trying to fix what [01:47] 's there [01:47] true that [01:47] Hobbsee: how about fixing it? *g* [01:47] it's a git snapshot in universe anyway [01:47] sistpoty: jdong already has, but it's got a uvfe attached to it [01:47] Hobbsee: ah... well, uvf is not my realm :P [01:47] shawarma: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9029/ [01:47] sistpoty: i thought it was? [01:48] theCore: Your hdb looks broken. :-) [01:48] Hobbsee: no, only sru... but as of tonight even that no longer :) [01:48] hehe, nice :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] shawarma: yeah, it got a Windows cd :) [01:48] sistpoty: do you think we should get rid of -uvf as well? ;) [01:48] ajmitch: i was meaning the change creating more crack :P [01:49] ajmitch: no, ppl. in there don't need to write a thesis, do they? *G* [01:49] theCore: Heh. [01:49] it's basically the same core people anyhow, stefan ;) [01:49] hehe [01:49] theCore: So nm shows you the linksys ap and you click it and nothing ever happens? [01:50] shawarma: no, the `linksys' doesn't even show up [01:50] shawarma: I need to manually add it [01:50] theCore: what the.. [01:50] crimsun: well, I guess we really should try to get a fresh member into motu-uvf for feisty +1... (I'd opted that for -sru as well, however that's past now) [01:50] Hobbsee: I can't think of what other crack it may introduce [01:50] theCore: You add it manually? [01:51] sistpoty: yes, good idea certainly [01:51] shawarma: yes [01:51] sistpoty: i'd think about doing it, just for the kde side. [01:51] shawarma: scanning doesn't seem to work [01:51] even though, iwlist scan my network fine [01:51] theCore: Is ath0 in your /etc/network/interfaces? [01:52] Hobbsee: great... I hope I won't forget until we decide on s.th. like this ;) [01:52] shawarma: I comment it when installed NM [01:52] theCore: Ok. [01:52] sistpoty: heh. [01:54] theCore: I'm too tired to get this right now. We can debug it tomorrow perhaps? [01:54] shawarma: yeah, thanks [01:54] theCore: np === shawarma falls asleep.. [01:56] grmbl... gnome packages... grmbl. someone should really remove /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk [01:56] sistpoty: why? [01:57] Hobbsee: it's mangling the control file during build [01:57] ahh [01:57] sure that's not bloody yada? === Hobbsee wants that OUT of the archive. === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-a233-60.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] I wonder if network-manager would work under fedora ... [01:57] Hobbsee: no been facing such packages a few times already [01:58] ah [01:58] however no yada ones yet :) [01:58] woo! [01:58] (or maybe only one or so) === Hobbsee mutters about POS software - not the register kind! === LaserJock passes the 1hr mark :-) [01:59] mmm a nice LP beta oops [01:59] I think perhaps I can't build the source package on Feisty, for some reason [01:59] so I'm making a edgy chroot === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-035-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cstudent [n=kirby@67.129.197.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] moins all [02:26] hi imbrandon [02:27] ello sistpoty === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [02:30] Bitesize: bug 90272 for anyone interested - otherwise I might tackle it myself later [02:30] Malone bug 90272 in mindi "Recommends lacks generic kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90272 === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] Heya gang [02:41] night bddebian :) [02:41] Hi geser [02:42] time to go to bed, it's nearly 3 am here [02:42] Eeks, gnight man [02:44] hey bddebian [02:44] Hi Toadstool === Toadstool considers going to bed too, even though it's only 6pm here :p === sistpoty is also off to bed [02:45] heh [02:45] Gnight sistpoty [02:45] gn8 everyone [02:46] gnifght === bddebian checks to see if he smells or something [02:47] bddebian: well, these guys are in Europe and I didn't sleep at all this week-end ;) [02:47] heh [02:48] spent the whole week-end gambling in Vegas... + a soccer game last night, I am freakin' exhausted :p [02:48] That'll do it === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === slomo__ [n=slomo@pD9547421.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] damn nickserv === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena_ [n=caravena@27-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] LaserJock: I'm back now. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] is there are freeze on updates to non-new packages already in the universe repository? [03:50] joejaxx: upstream version freeze === twanj_ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ is now known as twanj [03:52] <_MMA_> ajmitch: We have some metas that need their app lists updated. I think I was told that they can be updated like they were bug-fixes. [03:53] <_MMA_> "We" being Joe and I. [03:53] no new upstream versions, as long as its alocal bug fix [03:54] <_MMA_> Just changing a list of apps in a meta. [03:55] hmmm [03:58] they'll just be native packages, I don't see a problem with that [03:59] <_MMA_> Ok. [03:59] <_MMA_> One thing we have to change is to move from ardour in our list to ardour2 when crimsun finishes it. === superm1 [n=superm1@12-226-238-227.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] <_MMA_> We've been waiting a little on that. [04:02] hello superm1 :) [04:02] hey joejaxx [04:03] Hm where are the password change forums for moinmoin, (help.ubuntu.com) === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@x40-240.dhnet.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] crimsun: Anywhere between 07:00 and 11:00UTC, or 19:00UTC and later. The first set is evening/night for me, and the second is early morning and into the day. === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] TheMuso: ok, thanks === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] crimsun: np === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] crimsun: But with enough notice, I can make any time at the moment. [04:38] I'd like to gather an ubuntu-audio meeting (open to the public, of course) so we can go over some basic triaging policy, walk through some -{kernel,driver} work, etc. [04:38] it'd be educational to everyone IMO [04:38] Right. [04:39] I understand a lot of driver/kernel concepts, but am not up on the coding side of things. [04:43] dc [04:43] damn wrong console [04:49] <_MMA_> crimsun: Im sure you will, but remind us Ubuntu Studio guys when you get that meeting together. [04:49] _MMA_: sure thing [04:54] If pbuilder whines "warning; no utmp entry avaiable and LOGNAME not defined..." is it a problem? If so, I'd appreciate hints on what needs fixing? [04:54] it's not fatal, no. [04:55] nor does it cause pbuilder to generate trojaned binaries ;) [04:57] Thanks. Sounds good enough for tonight. I'll learn more about it later. [05:12] grah! why the heck does update-manager require more than 38Mbytes free on /boot when the whole kernel+initramfs needs less than 12?! [05:13] to build the new kernel and initramfs on upgrades? === mark007 [n=mark@x40-240.dhnet.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] lifeless: never had any issues with my 50Mbytes /boot before, why would it be a problem now? :( [05:15] Toadstool: b/c you have other kernels stored there and it's going to fill up. You can remove some you don't need anymore [05:16] anyways, not a big deal, I can cope with that ^^ === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] ScottK: sorry, I forgot. I fixed up my scripts a bit [06:02] ScottK: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-ubuntu and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-debian [06:03] The unfixed one is working pretty well for me. [06:03] Thanks. === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] If I'm using simple-patchsys.mk for patches and they fail to apply, what's the easiest way to test modifications to the patches to see if they apply? [06:07] you should totally use cdbs-edit-patch [06:07] dpatch-edit-patch and cdbs-edit-patch are lifesavers [06:08] Thanks. I'll look into it. This is my first attempt to use a patch system in one of my packages... [06:08] yeah [06:08] ScottK: pitti did a really good patching tutorial === ScottK will read it. Hints on where I find it? [06:09] oh sorry [06:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources [06:09] MOTU/School/ has a link [06:10] Thanks. [06:14] That is useful. I think I've about run out of steam for the night, so good night. [06:15] 'night === mark007 [n=mark@x40-240.dhnet.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] man, my laptop must suck [06:17] why so? [06:18] my AMD 1800+ does a dist-upgrad about twice as fast as my Celeron 2.8GHz laptop [06:18] it takes it ~1min to unpack a pbuilder [06:18] laptop harddrivesw suck === ajmitch rarely tries to build anything on the laptop === matt_good_ [n=matt@ip24-255-125-63.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF 's laptop is ~ 4 times as fast as his desktop. [06:20] :/ === ajmitch wouldn't mind a laptop 4x faster than my desktop [06:20] yeh hard drives are what do it [06:20] 4x CPU speed, 4x RAM, etc [06:20] it'd be nice :) [06:21] It's what you get for having a new laptop and an oldish desktop === ajmitch wonders if you can find a laptop with > 8GB of RAM [06:21] lol [06:21] I'd like a laptop with 1GB of ram [06:22] is it possible/allowed to add udev rules to a package? === cadoo [n=ccadieux@ylknnt171-52.theedge.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] 1GB of RAM for a laptop isn't bad [06:25] TheMuso: should be [06:25] considering how many packages add udev rules :) [06:27] lol [06:28] I take it you've seen many? [06:29] look in /etc/udev/rules.d [06:29] TheMuso: yes, it is. [06:29] plenty of package rules there, like brltty, libgphoto2 [06:29] sane offhand does [06:29] Ok, thanks guys. [06:30] man, I so love an AMD64 with 2GB of RAM [06:30] it'd be a bit of a step down === LaserJock goes to System76 website for a fix [06:30] yeah yeah [06:31] I'd love like a 3GHz P4 even [06:31] now a decent laptop like that, I'd take [06:31] you people never seem to amaze me [06:31] SLEEP ALREADY! [06:32] it's only 6:30! [06:32] LaserJock: I have a celery 1.6 with 2gb of ram, please send me a bigger and badder laptop to put my 2gb of ram into [06:33] my desktop crashed and burned, either mobo or cpu, athlon xp2000+. I can't find a socket A mobo, but there is a combo deal at newegg for a sempron 64 2800+ and biostar mobo for $65. I am debating on that === ajmitch only has a pentium m 2GHz [06:34]