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maikelDu dum du dum du dum ... feel so lonesome ...12:38
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maikel... I could cry ... du dum du dum du dum ...12:39
maikelIs "Ants" the pants?12:39
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Jester45somone asked me a question along the lines of do you have a dedicated gaming room?12:44
Jester45becuase i told him how many computer i have just for games12:44
Jester45and i told him yes12:44
Jester45well hes my friend so hes been at my house12:44
Jester45and he asked?12:45
Jester45well... where i never found it12:45
Jester45and i said in my room12:45
Jester45it was funny ot me nad him because i have a bedromm thats 1/2 bed space and 1/2 computer space12:45
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whitehathello. i'm looking for a pcmci or usb thumb wireless for a toshiba satellite 4060xcdt.  ideas?12:55
whitehatfor a xubuntu 6.10 linux12:55
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KasplattI just downloaded rar from rarsoft.com or something, and should I call the directory I untar it into ".rar" or just "rar" ?01:06
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free01:08
Kasplatt!info unrar-free01:09
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB01:09
Kasplatthow do I get it ?01:09
tonyyarusso!software | Kasplatt01:10
ubotuKasplatt: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline01:10
tonyyarussothrough synaptic01:10
Kasplattcouldn't find it there.01:10
tonyyarussoYou probably haven't enabled universe yet01:10
Kasplattguess not01:11
Kasplattwhat is it and howdo I do it then ?01:11
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource01:11
Kasplatttonyyarusso, can't I just install it manually ?01:11
tonyyarussoKasplatt: "can", yes, "should", don't know why you'd want to really01:12
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Kasplatttonyyarusso, what do I add to sources.list?01:14
KasplattBFTD, what to add to sources.list to get universe ?01:14
tonyyarussoKasplatt: The deb line for universe, as explained in those links.  use easysource to make it for you if you want01:14
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:14
BFTDKasplatt google source-o-matic01:15
BFTDadd all the stuff01:15
BFTDeven the unsupported01:15
KasplattI already edited it to get beryl... I don't want beryl to go away01:15
Kasplattokay, thanks01:15
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Kasplattis the feisty release good ?01:16
KasplattI thought edgy was the newest one01:16
BFTDbut if your OS is edgy01:16
BFTDthen go edgy01:16
BFTDNOT feisty01:16
BFTDnot until feisty coems out01:16
BFTDits gonna be sweet01:16
KasplattBFTD, idk, but is beryl in universe ?01:16
Kasplattand I also added AIGLX01:17
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BFTDKasplatt no, beryl is beryl01:17
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Kasplattbut all I really need to do is extract a .rar01:18
j1mchi maxamillion01:18
maxamillion!unrar | Kasplatt01:18
ubotufile-roller: an archive manager for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 680 kB, installed size 4952 kB01:18
ubotuKasplatt: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free01:18
Kasplattmagic_ninja,  no need01:19
maxamillionKasplatt: or if you prefer GNU software ....01:19
KasplattBFTD, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ <--- beryl something is in there01:19
maxamillionapparently i came in at the wrong part of that one01:19
BFTDKasplatt no duh, thats why I told you to do that.01:20
KasplattBFTD, do what ?01:20
BFTDKasplatt I pointed you to source-o-matic so that you could use beryl01:20
KasplattI should not make a new sources.list file ?01:21
Kasplattoh, okay... thanks01:21
Kasplattguess I misunderstood you01:21
maxamillionwhat you shouldn't do is run beryl01:21
Kasplattmaxamillion, why not ?01:21
KasplattI like it01:21
BFTDmaxamillion yeah01:22
BFTDI'm cli all the way01:22
Kasplattwhy not ?01:22
j1mci read that beryl has some non-free software bits in it.01:22
maxamillionKasplatt: its a waste of resources, waste of open source programmers concentration when they could be doing better things like adding hardware support, enhancing configuration tools, etc.01:23
maxamillioneverything about it annoys me01:23
KasplattBFTD, so I just add the things I want and make a new sources.list file ? and it won't **** up my AIGLX ?01:23
j1mci don't have the link right now, but it came up in an ubuntu developer irc chat.01:23
Kasplattmaxamillion, okay.01:23
maxamillionj1mc: well ... yeah, it has bindings to be able to use nvidia's AIGLX stuff01:23
Kasplattj1mc, I'm not gonna pay for it.01:23
KasplattI don't use the nvidia part.01:23
j1mcKasplatt: the actual beryl software itself has non-free portions.01:24
maxamillionKasplatt: don't get me wrong ... its fun, but it gets old and i do think that open source and linux in general has more important things to worry about then wobbly windows01:24
Kasplattwhat are backports projects ?01:24
BFTDKasplatt no, chances are it willm ess up you Xserver seeing that you're doing 2 at a time01:24
j1mcKasplatt backports are for when new software is "back ported" to an existing release.01:25
KasplattI don't want that ..01:25
Kasplattj1mc, okay01:25
j1mcfor example, if they wnated to put firefox 2.0 in ubuntu dapper drake, they would have to do it via backports.01:25
Kasplattah, okay.01:25
KasplattBut I want : rar, AIGLX, beryl, Wine (getting cedega tho).01:26
KasplattBFTD, if it fu**s up my Xserver, what do I do then ?01:26
maxamillionKasplatt: get to know the cli01:27
Kasplattwhat is it like ?01:27
maxamillionopen a terminal window ... image that covers your whole monitor ... that's cli01:28
j1mc:-)  Kasplatt the cli is very furry and friendly and likes to be petted.01:28
KasplattI like to play like... maybe Counter-Strike and then I get a message on MSN or something, then I just hold ALT+CTRL and flip over to MSN01:28
maxamillionKasplatt: you want to run windows01:28
Kasplattmaxamillion, sounds awful ?01:28
Kasplattno I do not01:28
maxamillionuhmmm... counterstrike and MSN .... i am missing something here01:29
Kasplattnot really...01:30
Kasplattwell... that's not all I do on my computer ffs01:30
KasplattBFTD, what happens if my Xserver messes up ?01:31
maxamillionKasplatt: the issue with steam is that it won't run in a windowed mode under linux, so giving and removing focus to it is an interesting "hit or miss" situation, so the alt+tab thing might not work for you while in the middle of a CS game01:31
BFTDKasplatt its die's01:31
maxamillionKasplatt: if you xserver gets messed up you have to fix it from the cli01:32
Kasplattmaxamillion, I don't minimize it ?01:32
Kasplattomg... cli = terminal... I've been there once...01:32
KasplattI hate it01:32
maxamillionKasplatt: you ever seen a minimize button on a counterstrike window?01:32
Kasplattno, but alt+tab miinimizes it normally01:32
maxamillionKasplatt: on windows01:33
maxamillionwindows != linux01:33
maxamillionlinux != windows01:33
Kasplatt... ?01:33
maxamillionwindows does not equal linux and linux does not equal windows01:33
KasplattWindows is unstable, slow, runs like shit and crashes all the time.01:33
Kasplattmaxamillion, I know, and I'm trying to learn how to use Linux so I can get away from Windows01:34
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:35
Kasplatttell me a good word instead of "poop" then ?01:35
Kasplattruns like .... ?01:35
Kasplattruns badly then.01:35
maxamillionKasplatt: but i don't think you are understanding what i am trying to say ..... steam and cs are self contained, which is why on a windows machine you don't see the windows "close, minimize, maximize" buttons on them and because of that it is using a graphical library that (apparently) is windows specific and thus even when you are running it through virtualization (such as wine, crossover, or cedega) the window manager for the desktop environment yo01:37
maxamillionvirtualization software*01:37
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KasplattSorry, but I don't really understand that. My English isn't flawless.01:39
maxamillionKasplatt: it would also require a little software development background to fully understand what i am saying01:39
KasplattOS specific I guess.01:40
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maxamillionuhmm... yeah, that's a good way to put it ....01:40
maxamillionKasplatt: basically windows handles steam and counterstrike a certain way, and even though cedega might try to "copy cat" the way that happens ... it isn't perfect01:41
Kasplattmaxamillion, yes ?01:41
BFTDwhere's jester?01:42
maxamillionBFTD: no clue01:42
maxamillionwhy so?01:42
BFTDI wonder what type of bot ubotu is01:43
maxamillioni think its an eggdrop ... could be wrong though01:43
tonyyarussoIt's a supybot currently - possibly to change to a custom-written01:44
Kasplattmaxamillion, so lets say I use beryl as a window manager, and I run Counter-Strike. and then say, someone writes me a message in MSN (which I have running on another 'side' of the cube) and turn the cube around to go to the MSN and write back to the person who wrote to me, and then go back to playing. What is the problem with that ? Sorry for being thick, but I don't really get it.01:44
KasplattCould that cause my Xserver to crash/mess up ?01:45
maxamillionKasplatt: in theory that should work, but i don't know if beryl could handle alt+tab to minize counterstrike if you had msn on the same workspace01:45
maxamillionKasplatt: could it? ... sure ... alot of things can, but something like that would just be a program crash and you can just restart the X server and everything would be fine01:46
maxamillionor atleast it should be fine ... i've never seen a program that crashes out X cause it to not be able to restart01:47
KasplattBut we actually started talking about AIGLX being on my sources.list. And that I "have" to make a new one through source-o-matic to get rar or unrar. And since AIGLX is not on the universe "package" I asked if it would run without problems.01:48
Kasplattmaxamillion, okay.01:48
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KasplattBFTD, you said I should add everything ?01:48
maxamillioni've never used sourceomatic01:48
BFTDKasplatt yes01:48
BFTDbye all01:49
KasplattDoes everything appear on "Add/Remove Software" or I use apt-get ?01:49
maxamillionKasplatt: if you would like a graphical program, use synaptic ... but no, not everything will show up in add/remove01:51
Kasplattmaxamillion, isn't synaptic and add/remove the same ?01:51
cellofellowI used Source-o-Matic once upon a time. It messed me up.01:52
Kasplattcellofellow, okay, thanks :)01:52
maxamillionKasplatt: no01:52
cellofellowaptitude rocks01:53
maxamillioncellofellow: yes ... yes it does01:53
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maxamillionw00t ... off work in 5 minutes01:53
Kasplattno I found out01:54
Kasplattmaxamillion, it does mess you up ?01:55
maxamillionKasplatt: what?01:55
Kasplattsourceomatic messes you up ?01:55
Kasplattoh... aptitude01:55
maxamillioni don't think sourceomatic messes you up ... i just have never used it, i edit my config files by hand ... i've been using linux since back when there was no synaptic and there was no beryl and you had to edit all your configuration files by hand01:56
Kasplattcellofellow, do you know an easy way to get rar to work ?01:56
maxamillionKasplatt: install unrar01:56
maxamillionit is that easy01:57
maxamillionok ... i'm off work01:57
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free01:57
Kasplattunrar... okay, I will01:57
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Kasplatt!info unrar-free02:01
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB02:01
Kasplattwhere should I unpack it ?02:04
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Kasplattomg.. it's just the source fr it02:06
grazieKasplatt: what's the problemo?02:09
Kasplattor unrar02:10
KasplattI need to extract a library02:10
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Kasplattgrazie, I need rar to extract a .rar file02:11
tute666apt-get install unrar02:11
grazieKasplatt: can't you do it in the same/similar way as you were doing .tar.gz earlier?02:12
Kasplattgrazie, it says that rar and unrar are unknown commands02:13
tute666Kasplatt: sudo apt-get install unrar02:13
Qewbecause you need to install it to use it, do what tute666 has said02:13
Kasplatttute666, that doesn't work02:13
Kasplattit doesn't work02:13
tute666Kasplatt: why? what exacltly does it say?02:13
tute666"it doesn't work" isnt a helpful way of asking questions02:14
KasplattE: Package unrar has no installation candidate02:14
tute666Kasplatt: sudo apt-get install rar ?02:14
Kasplattoh wait02:14
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uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free02:15
Qewwait, have you enabled the repository Multiverse?02:15
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tute666!info unrar-free02:15
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB02:15
Qewwait, have you enabled the repository Multiverse?02:15
Qewand Universe02:15
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tute666Kasplatt: sudo apt-get install unrar-free.  should do the trick02:16
maxamilliontute666: i've been telling him that for roughly an hour now02:16
Kasplattthaanks dude !02:16
maxamillionKasplatt: do you just ignore me?02:16
Kasplattmaxamillion, you didn't explain it as well as he did... sorry02:17
Eagle_101ok, I can't hear but others that can hear are going to be using this computer, any way to confirm that the sound driver is working?02:17
maxamillioni told you to install either unrar or unrar-free02:17
Kasplattmaxamillion, sorry, I tried rar and unrar02:17
maxamillionEagle_101: uhmmm... not that i know of02:17
grazieEagle_101: noise coming out of speakers usually :)02:17
Eagle_101no way to confirm this vie any sort of command?02:18
Eagle_101lovely then I will just assume it works :P02:18
grazie!sound | Eagle_10102:18
ubotuEagle_101: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP302:18
maxamillionEagle_101: all you can confirm is that something is trying to communicate with the speakers, not that they actually function (atleast in my findings)02:18
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Eagle_101mmm ok02:18
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comradecdoes anyone know what file gdm uses to load the windows manager and startup programs02:19
comradecit like refeses to acknowledge an xinit in my home dir02:19
_3oo3?  what's xubuntu??02:20
KasplattXfce Ubuntu02:20
maxamillioncomradec: i answered that question 2 days ago02:21
comradecit didnt work02:21
tute666maxamillion: a difficult question:  how do i get a us-latin1 charmap to work with the special chars?02:21
maxamillioncomradec: the /usr/share/xsessions/ directory? ... the files in there control it02:21
maxamilliontute666: you got my stumped on that one ;)02:21
_3oo3Kasplatt:  im sorry that doesn't make any sense to me02:21
Kasplattwhat is the command to use unrar-free ?02:21
grazieEagle_101: a lot of media mplayers will report problem with sound. However, they will not report mixer channels being muted (always check mixer)02:21
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tute666maxamillion: :D  gnome is much simple, it just uses the x11 thingy02:22
tute666Kasplatt: unrar e filename02:22
Eagle_101grazie, ok thanks, I would rather not be trying to fix sound if I possibly can >.>02:22
comradecmaxamillion: yea but it has to use something to select those and launch that file02:22
Kasplatttute666, thanks02:22
tute666or unrar x filename (with directories)02:22
maxamilliontute666: xfce does too02:22
Kasplatt_3oo3, me neither02:22
Kasplatttute666, guess that is better02:22
_3oo3well, so what is it02:22
comradecI dont want to depend on gdm to choose what windows manager I want to launch02:22
tute666_3oo3: ubuntu with xfce as a desktop02:23
grazieEagle_101: media players like xmms and audacious have a visual graphic output too (v.good indication)02:23
Eagle_101mmm ok, I will try that :D02:23
tute666maxamillion: mh, not sure.  i cant get composite chars to work.  it just ignores me holding shift down02:23
tute666lets see is ubuntu-es knows someting about it02:24
Kasplattyou could also take a big bass and put your hands to it to feel the sound... lol,02:24
Eagle_101grazie, looks like the commands like amixer ect are working ok02:24
_3oo3tute666:  yeah someone said that earlier, but I don't know what that means02:24
tute666_3oo3: the graphical thingy changes slightly.  apart from that, nothing02:25
Eagle_101Kasplatt, that would work :D just I don't want to wake the place up right now :P02:25
KasplattOh... hehe :P02:25
Eagle_101I heard loud sounds tend to wake folks up02:26
KasplattIt's a fact.02:26
Kasplattwhere do cedega files go ?02:27
KasplattEagle_101, You don't hear anything at all ?02:27
Eagle_101Kasplatt, very little (has to be loud)02:27
KasplattEagle_101, Ah, yes :)02:27
Eagle_101and well I don't think "testing linux" is a good reason for waking folks up :P02:28
grazieEagle_101: I usually use alsamizer  (in terminal) to check the channels. MM at the bottom of a channel indicates muting. Use 'sudo alsactl store' to save settings.02:28
Eagle_101grazie, thanks02:28
KasplattEagle_101, that would let you find out at least. ppl come and tell you to turn it down = it works :P02:29
Eagle_101Kasplatt, yeah, but then they ask wtf am I playing loud music for :P02:29
Eagle_101lol, I don't play much music... so it would be rather odd :P02:30
Eagle_101ah yeah grazie one of them is mute02:30
graziemaster and pcm are usually the ones to look for, but sometimes there's others that can cause no sound to be output02:32
Eagle_101yeah master was mute :S02:32
grazieso why you bothered anyway?02:32
_3oo3tute666:  can you be more clear?02:33
Eagle_101grazie, so that others can use this computer02:33
Eagle_101and not be where is my sound :S02:33
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tute666_3oo3: if im clearer, you wouldnt understand. the desktop enviroment is different.02:34
Eagle_101_3oo3, xfce is a different enviroment from KDE or GNOME02:35
Kasplatttute666, unrar command doesn't work02:35
Eagle_101http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce02:35
Eagle_101http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce02:36
tute666Kasplatt: rar?02:36
Eagle_101best way I can help you is to ask you to have a look see _3oo302:36
tute666one of those must work02:36
_3oo3dude I know what XFCE is, I don't know what UBUNTU is02:36
KasplattI use that ? unrar-free x <file> <destination> ?02:36
Eagle_101_3oo3, ubuntu is the distro02:37
tute666one of those02:37
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Kasplatttute666, it worked :D02:37
Eagle_101_3oo3, put it shortly there are many "types" of linux02:38
_3oo3well, im certainly not an idiot02:38
_3oo3all i hear is 'were a linux distro'02:38
Eagle_101_3oo3, not saying you are ;)02:38
Eagle_101ok, so you know what a distro is right?02:38
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_3oo3i dont want the milk carton i want the diesel truck that's driving it, bud02:39
Eagle_101http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu02:40
Eagle_101do those help?02:40
Eagle_101those are the 3 primary ubuntu derivatives02:40
R[coding] ndomsup?02:41
_3oo3it's just the x server02:41
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Eagle_101_3oo3, perhaps I'm not understanding your question?02:41
_3oo3i'm saying 'what is ubuntu' and youre telling me what windows manager it runs02:41
R[a] ndomubuntu is a debian derivative02:41
R[a] ndompolished up to be nicer to the end user02:41
Eagle_101Ubuntu (IPA pronunciation: /u'buntu/) is a widely used Linux distribution predominantly targeted at personal computers. Based on Debian GNU/Linux, Ubuntu concentrates on usability, regular releases, ease of installation, and freedom from legal restrictions. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical Ltd., a private company founded by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth.02:42
Eagle_101there straight from wikipedia02:42
ComputerHermithey people I have a question in the fourm and its killing me on how to do this root fun that Iam haveing02:42
ComputerHermitif someone can help I'll realy be greatful02:42
R[a] ndomwtf is with all the guitars?02:43
_3oo3what do they mean by 'free from legal restrictions', and that barely answers my question02:43
ComputerHermitI play guitar02:43
ComputerHermitI meat eddie van halen02:43
Eagle_101_3oo3, you are asking us what is ubuntu? correct?02:43
ComputerHermitlol damm02:43
R[a] ndomno not sure02:43
R[a] ndomwhat do you want to know02:43
R[a] ndomhes trying man02:44
_3oo3ok, first, is it daemon based or is it a mutant02:44
ComputerHermithow do I install xubuntu from source02:44
tonyyarussoComputerHermit: erm, why would you want to?02:44
_3oo3ok, for instance, let's use slackware as one comparison, and freeBSD as another, for a non-linux comparison02:44
Eagle_101_3oo3, that I honestly don't know, I'm new myself02:45
tute666tonyyarusso: speed.02:45
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R[a] ndom_3oo3, this isn't really a dev channel, its mostly a help-the-noobs channel02:45
_3oo3yeah, but I ask it in the dev channel and they say its off-topic, go to the ubuntu support channels02:45
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ComputerHermitI think xubuntu is a bit better then kubuntu02:45
Eagle_101_3oo3, I think it is a mutant, but I don't know what the definition of a mutant is02:45
R[a] ndomEagle_101, dont try man, if you dont know02:45
ComputerHermitso I'll have all then02:45
Eagle_101R[a] ndom, ok :D02:46
ComputerHermitx k u ed02:46
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Kasplattcan't get it to work02:46
ComputerHermitwhat is it xfac02:46
_3oo3i mean, is there anyone in the world of ubuntu, from end user to developer, that can explain what it even is?!02:46
ComputerHermitsometime like that02:46
j1mcxubuntu is a mutant . . . it emerged from the swamps as a small, cute mouse . . . but it grew . . .02:46
R[a] ndom_3oo3, I feel for you man.. can't you google for that kind of stuff?02:46
j1mc_3oo3: it's an operating system.02:47
ComputerHermitR[a] ndom you dont like music and chicks and guitars02:47
R[a] ndom_3oo3, and please at least acknowledge that what youre asking is not terribly important to most users.02:47
tonyyarussoComputerHermit: Well, I don't really know about doing the whole system from scratch, but: You could install a minimal system from the alternate CD, install build tools (build-essential, pbuilder, whatever else you like) and do the rest from there.02:47
_3oo3j1mc: wow dude, dont waste my time02:48
ComputerHermityea I used linux for a few years now I like deb02:48
ComputerHermitthis is my first time useing deb02:48
tonyyarussoComputerHermit: Would take a while of course, but you must be used to that.  pbuilder gives you the .deb, so you still have the package management goodness, but it's a deb compiled on your own system.02:48
ComputerHermitmmmm I do the tz02:49
tonyyarussoComputerHermit: honestly though, I'm not convinced it would be worth it, personally02:49
tute666im using xfce compiled from source02:49
_3oo3I asked in the #ubuntu-meeting channel and alll I got was superficial 'we know but we have no desire to tell you' crap02:49
j1mc_3oo3: you asked what xubuntu is.  it's a computer operating system.02:49
ComputerHermitI here ya02:49
R[a] ndom_3oo3, really?02:50
ComputerHermitchill the fuck out02:50
_3oo3yeah i imagine they didn't know02:50
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R[a] ndom_3oo3, well if theres anything I can tell you by looking at my install, id be glad to help02:50
R[a] ndomotherwise I guess I suggest the livecd02:50
R[a] ndomor asking the debian ppl, as its the same distro02:50
R[a] ndom(give or take)02:51
Eagle_101though if you get a reply I would like to know myself :P02:51
tute666honestly mate.02:51
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tute666its an operating system, based on linux.  what else do you want to know?02:51
_3oo3R[a] ndom: im thinking the debian people might be a little more informed about it, too02:51
R[a] ndomtute666, please stop02:51
R[a] ndomok you too02:52
_3oo3thx for...uhh...yeah.  thx.02:52
R[a] ndom_3oo3, stop being such a tool02:52
Qew_3oo3: what *exactly* is your question?02:52
R[a] ndomexcellent02:52
tute666R[a] ndom: fine fine. srry02:52
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_3oo3R[a] ndom: tool?  lol wtf are you talking about?  I research the tools I use...seems like you just installed them, huh?  ;)02:52
R[a] ndom_3oo3, thats what I'm talking about02:53
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_3oo3R[a] ndom: exactly.02:53
R[a] ndomthen again, at this point, you're obviously a troll02:53
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_3oo3Qew: `my question was more like what exactly are the differences between ubuntu and other os's, like let's say debian and a BSD or unix system?02:54
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SanctusoriumHow technical of an anwser are you looking for?02:54
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Eagle_101heck I can't even find the answer on google02:54
Eagle_101:S /me changes query from xubuntu to debian02:55
QewSanctusorium: exactly... maybe Google would be a better waste of time02:55
_3oo3Sanctusorium: at this point I'll take what I can get...I'm not real impressed by the community for ubuntu so far02:55
tute666_3oo3: ubuntu is a debian system, with added user-friendlyness in the avatar of pretty much:  GUI's for most common customization and setup/installation tasks02:55
_3oo3ok, so it's debian with a polished installer, is what I'm hearing02:55
Eagle_101_3oo3, hate to tell you I don't know this OS inside and out02:55
_3oo3Eagle_101: that's fine02:55
Eagle_101if you want people who know that, I would try somewhere like gentoo :S02:56
_3oo3haha gentoo02:56
Eagle_101as gentoo you have to build from source02:56
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SanctusoriumI am a newb, so I cant tell you much. But the main difference is that Ubuntu is designed for userfriendliness02:56
_3oo3I got that...but I haevn't heard *why*02:56
KasplattI can't get unrar-free to work properly02:56
_3oo3sorry I mean *how*02:56
SanctusoriumWhy/ how?02:57
KasplattI got a passworded .rar file... howdo I do then ?02:57
SanctusoriumI wouldnt know, this is my first Linux distro.02:57
Kasplatt-px ?02:57
SanctusoriumBut from what I have gathered...02:57
QewKasplatt: when it asks for the pass, put the correct pass in02:57
Kasplattunrar-free -px <file> <dest> ?02:57
tute666_3oo3: GUI's for most common installation/setup tasks.02:57
SanctusoriumUbuntu relies LESS on the shell02:57
SanctusoriumAnd more on the GUI...02:57
Eagle_101_3oo3, I guess I can say that installing xubuntu is about as easy as installing XP (minus the product key ;) )02:57
KasplattQew,  unrar-free -px <file> <dest> ?02:57
SanctusoriumI could be compleatly wrong.02:57
_3oo3i also heard that alot of the CLI utilities are missing or changed drastically02:58
PuMpErNiCkLeNot really.02:58
R[a] ndom_3oo3, compared to other flavours of linux?02:58
R[a] ndomcompared to bsd/UNIX, yeah theyre a bit different02:58
PuMpErNiCkLeSome are omitted by design, but they're available.02:58
_3oo3R[a] ndom: both linux and BSD systems02:58
R[a] ndombut theyre a pretty standard linux set02:58
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R[a] ndomanything in specific?02:58
_3oo3yeah, what about hardware support comparisons02:59
_3oo3hotplug detection, etc.02:59
Eagle_101well it detects my USB stick alright02:59
Eagle_101found my CD burner02:59
Eagle_101dunno about sound02:59
R[a] ndomI suggest google once again, as this kind of stuff has surely been discussed02:59
Eagle_101I don't hear it >.>02:59
tute666_3oo3: ive only heard of a few cases of weird shit not working.03:00
Eagle_101but yeah google is your friend :P03:00
tonyyarussoThe only thing that isn't ootb here is a winmodem, which works with a non-free driver03:00
tute666i.e.  laptop specific cards or similar03:00
SanctusoriumIf you REALLY want to find out the differences and nobody can tell you...03:00
SanctusoriumI suggest you look at the source =b03:00
SanctusoriumThat will tell you about the inner workings03:01
SanctusoriumGood luck though03:01
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_3oo3well to be honest, I was interested in exploring options with it, but due to the nature of the responses I got from both developers and users in the community, I think I will be better keeping my network using BSD systems.  Thanks anyway, but I'm no longer inquiring about it.03:01
_3oo3It's a support thing.  I don't feel like it's ready for serious application.03:02
_3oo3thx anyway03:02
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SanctusoriumSorry, but what an ass.03:02
posingaspopularjust do a /ignore man03:03
SanctusoriumMeh, I only do that if they are insulting me personally.03:03
Eagle_101and I still can't get google to tell me if it is deamon based or not >.>03:03
Eagle_101I can see why he is frustrated >.<03:03
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PuMpErNiCkLeIs what daemon based?03:04
Eagle_101is this xubuntu deamon based03:04
tonyyarussoGuys, don't worry about him.  He couldn't even comprehend the concept of #ubuntu-meeting; was just joining large the channels for major OSs and poking around.03:04
tute666daemon based.  what a lot of bs03:04
R[a] ndomyeah I knew a guy at school who was a hardcore BSD jerk03:05
R[a] ndomnot that bad, but still03:05
R[a] ndoma year later, he was running XP03:05
R[a] ndom;)03:05
Eagle_101well it don't show up in google >.> one hit from distrowatch, no info03:05
PuMpErNiCkLeThere are daemons.  Not sure what you mean by daemon based.03:05
SanctusoriumOH GOD!03:05
Eagle_101blue smoke?03:06
SanctusoriumI heard actuator sounds <_<03:06
SanctusoriumNo... more of them03:06
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tute666Sanctusorium: backup.  fast03:06
SanctusoriumDont got any importiant stuff on the linux drive03:07
SanctusoriumThank go03:07
SanctusoriumAll the importiant stuff is on the Windows drive....  Which isn't failing03:07
Kasplatt93 % of my HDD was games03:08
SanctusoriumYep, just started using Linux....03:09
SanctusoriumThis HDD freaked out on me awhile back03:09
SanctusoriumAnd failed all together03:09
SanctusoriumI hit it <___<03:09
SanctusoriumAnd booted back up, woked again03:09
tute666the _hit things_ school of maintenance03:10
R[a] ndomI had a brand new drive blow out blue smoke03:10
R[a] ndomrebooted the computer, and its been fine for 3 years now03:10
R[a] ndomlots of smoke too03:10
Eagle_101blue smoke !-= good03:10
R[a] ndomI'm not familiar with that equality03:11
SanctusoriumDidnt see the -03:11
R[a] ndomheh03:11
Eagle_101sorry :P03:11
R[a] ndomnot less equal03:11
tute666not less than?03:11
R[a] ndomthat would be !<03:11
Eagle_101!= (with a hit of the - key as well)03:11
R[a] ndomI se-e03:12
Sanctusorium(!-=) = error?03:12
Eagle_101yeah I would hope >.<03:12
SanctusoriumBefore I forget03:12
SanctusoriumAny one know why those are failing when I do a apt-get update?03:12
R[a] ndomprobably for the reasons given03:13
SanctusoriumHow to fix?03:13
R[a] ndomdownload the gpg key from the 3rd party sites03:13
R[a] ndomremove the duplicate entries03:13
SanctusoriumEasy as that?03:14
R[a] ndomyeah, the first source needs this:03:14
R[a] ndomwget http://seveas.imbrandon.com/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -03:14
R[a] ndomthe second one needs03:14
R[a] ndomsudo gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 6A42379103:14
R[a] ndomsudo gpg --fingerprint 6A42379103:14
R[a] ndomsudo gpg --armor --export  6A423791| sudo apt-key add -03:14
R[a] ndometc03:15
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R[a] ndom(I'm just googling these)03:15
Sanctusoriumjeff@Nevitas:~$ sudo gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 6A42379103:16
Sanctusoriumgpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/jeff/.gnupg/gpg.conf'03:16
Sanctusoriumgpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions03:16
Sanctusoriumgpg: keyserver communications error: general error03:16
Sanctusoriumgpg: keyserver receive failed: general error03:16
tute666theres kind of no point in the key if there lying around on google03:16
R[a] ndomtute666, ?03:16
PuMpErNiCkLetute666: Key pairs.  There's only the public key available.03:16
R[a] ndomwhile its true that it would be more secure coming from a trusted keyserver, it is still decent security getting it from the sites themselves03:17
tute666i know.  what's the point of a encypted connection if anybody can donwload the content?03:17
R[a] ndomso you know who made it03:17
R[a] ndomwith that key, I cant make fake packages03:18
R[a] ndomyou'd need the private key03:18
SanctusoriumANy thing I can do about that error message?03:18
tute666mkay.  that makes some sense03:18
R[a] ndomread up on it, its a smart system03:18
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R[a] ndomnope03:19
R[a] ndomI just ignored you03:19
R[a] ndomI'll look now03:19
SanctusoriumThanks ;D03:19
R[a] ndomI got tonnes of hits, I'm going to have to say http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/03:20
R[a] ndomah I should have attached the query to it.03:20
R[a] ndomah well :)03:20
ubotuWords like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.03:21
maxamillion... well, its close03:22
maxamillionR[a] ndom: be nice03:22
R[a] ndomnot meant in a rude way at all, tho I do remember now the sits is a tad insulting03:22
SanctusoriumI would love to google it, not sure what to google for though =b03:22
R[a] ndomoh, copy/paste some of the error in03:22
R[a] ndomgpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe a permissions03:23
R[a] ndomI chose that03:23
R[a] ndomoh weird03:25
SanctusoriumYou cant do it in sudo03:25
Sanctusoriumwhat is rtfm?03:26
SanctusoriumI got a guess ;b03:27
tonyyarussoSanctusorium: Read the fantabulous manual ;)03:27
SanctusoriumAnd that was it...03:27
tonyyarussoThat's the docteam version03:28
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KasplattCan't I play Counter-Strike against Windows users ?03:37
s|kare there any games I can get for xubuntu03:39
s|klike solitary?03:39
s|kor hearts?03:39
tute666s|k: apt-cache search solitaire03:39
tute666s|k: apt-cache search hearts03:40
s|kis there a game package?03:40
s|kthat I could install03:40
s|kinstead of like03:40
tute666mh... not sure if there is a metapackage03:40
s|kfinding them all one at a time03:40
tute666lets see03:40
tute666for kde there is kdegames03:40
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s|kyeah that's why I was asking if there was an xfce one03:40
tute666not probable.03:41
s|kwhen I had xfce with slackware it had games03:41
tute666yeah.  pero there not xfce games03:41
tute666there just games03:41
s|kI wonder how hard it is to make a metapackage03:42
s|kit's possible with python right?03:42
s|kI do python web development03:42
tute666dunno.  i've no idea how .deb metapackages work03:42
tute666i imagine its just an empty package with dependencies03:42
s|kI see03:43
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viddanyone know about the bcm43xx?05:03
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs05:04
viddbeen there05:04
Eagle_101vidd, I would try looking there, I don't know much myself05:04
viddi went there first05:04
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vidd*wave* cellofellow05:05
viddyou ever mess around with wireless?05:06
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J-_what weather report tool does xubuntu use for looking up local weather/forecast?06:13
cellofellowa panel applet06:15
J-_hmm yeah. would I be able to use that one in ubuntu instead of xubuntu?06:26
cellofellowI believe Ubuntu has its own panel applet.06:27
J-_yeah it does, but I like the xubuntu one better =(06:27
cellofellowdunno what to say. I use an adesklets widget for weather.06:29
J-_adesklets any better than gdesklets?06:29
cellofellowfaster, lighter, less features and not QUITE as pretty.06:30
J-_ah i see06:30
cellofellowand an xfce mode.06:30
J-_cool, thanks for the info =)06:30
cellofellow(add --xfce4 to the command line for the xfce stuff.)06:30
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grumpymolesorry - ignore07:40
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Darkkishi'm using 98MB of memory07:42
Darkkishout of 47807:42
Darkkishjust before i restarted, I had no programs open07:43
Darkkishyet i was using over 300MB07:43
Darkkishany idea why?07:43
Darkkishand is there a way to fix it?07:43
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Guard] [anhi, i'm using xubuntu on a laptop, is there some xfce equivalent to gnome-power-manager ? or is gnome-power-manager just fine ?09:14
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Kasplatthow do I turn off Hook processes ? (trying to run Sldner on Wine)10:41
TheSheepKasplatt: try on #wine maybe...10:43
KasplattYeah, it says hook process(es) running. Please shut off all antivirus and trojan scanners. or something10:44
KasplattTheSheep, not a message from Wine, message from Sldner10:44
TheSheephaha, anti-piracy protection gone wild :)10:44
TheSheepKasplatt: they will know more on #wine than here, still10:45
Kasplattanti-piracy ?10:45
KasplattI bought this game legally.10:45
TheSheepKasplatt: sure, but the producers made sure it cannot be run on a modified windows10:46
TheSheepKasplatt: and they detect wine as modified windows10:46
TheSheepKasplatt: I have several such legally bought games10:46
TheSheepKasplatt: had to download a crack for them %)10:46
KasplattIt works then ?10:46
TheSheeponly on one of them10:47
TheSheepthe rest is lost money10:47
KasplattI don't mean installing, but launching it.10:47
KasplattTheSheep, heh, yeah. Unless you use cedega(?) or VMware :P10:47
TheSheepsame with cedega10:47
TheSheephmm... vmware or qemu would be a solution10:48
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zzazahi all11:24
zzazaAny one who has worked with xubuntu server for xterminal ot thin clients need some documenation about it11:28
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TheSheepzzaza: what kind of documentation?11:41
zzazaconfiguration of clients or xterminal11:43
TheSheepzzaza: there are howtos in the official ubuntu docs...11:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ltsp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:45
TheSheepzzaza: probably not exactly what you want :(11:48
TheSheepzzaza: but there should be more on the tobic around there11:48
zzazaany information is okay, cuz i have tried edubuntu as well as www.tlsp.org but i needed a fast desktop, and easy to configure thats why am choosing xubuntu with xfce11:51
TheSheepzzaza: I think that TuxLabs are using modified edubuntu with xfce for desktops11:51
zzazaMy major need is the configuration of xterminal clients no need for the all desktop, major interest is the browser, acroread, abiword,gaim or kopete and the ability to connect a web camera11:53
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thirdalbumHi... is anyone else having the problem in Edgy where xfdesktop and xfce4-panel don't start on login?12:37
TheSheepthirdalbum: yes, it happens if they crash and you save the session12:37
TheSheepthirdalbum: to fix this, press alt+f2, type 'xfdesktop', press alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', then log out saving the sesssion12:38
thirdalbumHmm... because that's happening to me straight from the LIve CD12:38
TheSheepnow that *is* weird12:38
thirdalbumI'm on PowerPC12:38
thirdalbumIt doesn't happen on my x86 machine12:38
thirdalbumThey start fine if I do it manually12:38
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thirdalbumI don't know if there are any Xubuntu devs here who'd be interested, but I'm developing a PowerPC distro based on Xubuntu12:44
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meborchey guys... any comments on the new usplash?01:03
TheSheepdistorted on a wide screen monitor01:04
meborcahh... too bad... i have a really crappy lappy, and it looks good @ 1024x80001:05
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TheSheepI miss the short "log" text like it was displayed on 6.0601:06
meborcyeah... me too... as it takes a while to boot, it would be nice to read something :)01:07
meborcmaybe a rss feed of some newspaper :)01:07
TheSheepthe changelog of the most recent update ;)01:10
meborcyeah... because, the options are really endless... even simple fortune cookie stuff or some nice quotes from books would be great01:11
TheSheepactually, I'd like to have some feedback of what is happening01:12
TheSheepI'm aware that "normal user" doesn't care01:12
TheSheepand that I can enable the full-blown text kernel log01:13
TheSheepbut I liked the 6.06 way01:13
meborci agree that it was both informative and sleek by the looks... is there documentation why was it cropped?01:13
TheSheepI don't know, but I can guess01:14
R[a] ndomthis is supposed to be really 'noob' friendly, and noobs might be scared by text flashing and stuff I guess01:17
R[a] ndomvista shows a black screen with a bar when it boots :P01:17
meborchaha... haven't tested vista yet... waitind for SP1 before even trying... way too buggy yet01:19
R[a] ndomI dont care if its buggy or not, its useless anyway01:19
R[a] ndomI just installed it so I can learn what theyve changed01:20
TheSheepmeborc: backup your linux partitions before your do01:20
R[a] ndomas I'm going to have to support people who use it01:20
R[a] ndomTheSheep, has it been trashing partitions? I havent heard of that happening since the betas.. and that was just the MBR01:20
TheSheepR[a] ndom: trashing mbr and changing the partition order, at least01:21
meborchmm... i'll take that in mind... i probably will do a clean vista install and a clean ubuntu dual boot after... just to be safe :) ... and to have a superclean system01:21
TheSheepR[a] ndom: which is enough to brak any linux installation01:22
R[a] ndomchanging partition order?01:24
R[a] ndomI assume you mean just the partition tables, not actually moving around data01:24
TheSheepR[a] ndom: yes, the order of partitions in the partition table01:25
R[a] ndomI'd be surprised if this still happens in the release version..01:25
R[a] ndomlinkage?01:25
TheSheepR[a] ndom: so you should be good with a backup of just few first sectors of your disk ;)01:25
TheSheepR[a] ndom: no linkage, just personal experiences01:25
TheSheepR[a] ndom: Windows XP did the same, btw01:25
TheSheepand 2k01:26
R[a] ndomdon't rule out a hardware issue then.01:26
R[a] ndomcause thats not normal behaviour01:26
TheSheepthat's normal behavior of windows installers to rearrange the order of partitions if your partition table doesn't list them in the order they appear on the disk01:27
R[a] ndomoh I see01:27
R[a] ndomso why would that matter?01:27
TheSheepI cannot imagine a hardware issue that would cause the same behaviour :)01:27
R[a] ndomas long as the right one is bootable..01:27
TheSheepwell, suppose you have "/dev/hda5" mounted as your /usr partition...01:28
R[a] ndom..yeah01:28
R[a] ndomyou'd have to change like 2 lines in your fstab01:28
TheSheepor "/dev/hda7" as /boot and then separate "/dev/hda8" as /01:28
R[a] ndomassuming your fstab is the old style01:28
R[a] ndomthat doesn't recognise actual disks01:28
TheSheepR[a] ndom: yes, and you have to change them without a working linux01:28
R[a] ndomUUID=2b5cb9e2-e8f4-42f5-bf92-8aa0f92b786f /home xfs defaults 0 201:29
R[a] ndommine uses UUIDs01:29
R[a] ndomso it doesnt matter01:29
R[a] ndomall edgy fstabs are like this01:29
TheSheepplus, most users don't even know they have an fstab01:29
TheSheepsure, that's a *workaround* for buggy windows installers01:29
R[a] ndom..01:29
TheSheepplus, lotsa operating systems that don't have it01:30
TheSheepbsd, solaris01:30
R[a] ndomso the lesson is, keep your partition tables in order if you want to dual boot01:31
R[a] ndomor learn how to use the fstab01:31
R[a] ndomor use edgy, and your set anyway :P01:31
TheSheeplisten to your Microsoft Mistress XD01:31
R[a] ndomoh I see01:32
R[a] ndomat least you didn't spell it with a $01:32
TheSheepthe lesson is, never trust a windows installer to not fuck up anything without even displaying a single warning01:32
R[a] ndomnever trust any installer01:32
R[a] ndomit isnt the windows installer that got my 300gb drive formatted01:33
R[a] ndomit was ubuntu01:33
TheSheepbugs happen01:33
R[a] ndomas a combination of poor design and user error :P01:33
TheSheepR[a] ndom: at least not without any warning01:33
TheSheepR[a] ndom: the reordering happens in the "preparing for installation" phase, where you didn't even select the partition to install to01:33
TheSheepand no information about it, of course01:34
R[a] ndomyeah yeah, I'm not saying that they /should/ do it that way01:34
TheSheepof course, there are distros with much worse "automated" installers01:34
R[a] ndomI'm saying that they do, and it isnt that big of a deal to work around it01:34
TheSheepthe thing that aggravates me is that while in most installers it's a bug, I'm pretty sure it's "by design" in this case01:35
R[a] ndomyeah, windows is probably designed assuming that the partitions are in order01:35
TheSheepR[a] ndom: not Vista01:36
TheSheepR[a] ndom: it will put the partition on which you installed it first :)01:36
TheSheepR[a] ndom: at least it did when we tried it yesterday01:36
TheSheepR[a] ndom: the partition was second in disk order01:37
meborcthen it is good i always have win partition as the 1. one :D01:37
R[a] ndomyeah, thats what Ive always done01:38
R[a] ndomsimply because thats what windows needs to not shit itself. heh01:38
R[a] ndomI didnt even think it would work otherwise01:38
TheSheepR[a] ndom: well, it could just say "no, I won't isntall there, it's not the first partition" ;)01:39
TheSheepR[a] ndom: btw, windows is the only modern OS where users need to know hwat disks and what partitions there are in their box01:39
R[a] ndomevery os needs you to know if you're dual booting, otherwise it would trash everything01:40
R[a] ndomand windows doesnt need you to know if the disk is empty..01:40
R[a] ndombtw you have no idea how funny it is me playing defense for windows. heh01:41
TheSheepR[a] ndom: but I'm not attacking...01:41
TheSheepit would be so marvelous if there was a standard for multiboot :)01:42
R[a] ndom"vista is the only modern os [that still] ..." "never trust a windows installer to not fuck up..." "[the UUID in the fstab is]  a *workaround* for buggy windows installers"01:43
TheSheepsome kind of "boot table" on the disk01:43
R[a] ndomyeah, I agree.. I really expected vista to play nice01:43
TheSheepR[a] ndom: I don't say that is bad to make the user know his partition01:43
TheSheepR[a] ndom: I just say it's uncommon01:44
TheSheepthere are workarounds for unix-related bugs in windows too01:44
TheSheepmostly when it comes to networking, though01:45
R[a] ndomanyway, I need to get ready or else I'm not going to school :)01:47
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KasplattI can't get unrar-free to unrar anything.02:23
Kasplattit just tells me that it is skipping it02:23
Kasplattisn't there like a GUI for it ?02:23
R[a] ndomunrar x thefile.rar?02:24
R[a] ndomif not yeah there are guis, if you click on it in thunar one should open02:24
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R[school] ndom(I'm gone now, if that doesnt work im sure someone else can help..)02:24
TheSheepKasplatt: I think that the free version of unrar doesn't support all the rar algorithms02:25
Kasplattunrar-free -xp /home/user/Desktop/file.rar /home/user/Destktop/Folder/02:25
KasplattTheSheep, damn. Okay, it just says : Skipping          filename02:25
Kasplattand does that to all the files02:26
KasplattTheSheep, I guess I'll just have to get rar. the real one02:31
Kasplattit has a trial so I can use that. I just need to unpack one file02:31
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TheSheepKasplatt: I think there is the real rar in the repos too02:38
TheSheepKasplatt: in the multiverse02:38
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free02:38
KasplattTheSheep, http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Cedega%20CVS <-- gonna do that.02:39
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Kasplatthow do I install the x-window-system-dev package(s) ?03:00
TheSheepxserver-xorg-dev, I suppose03:03
TheSheepor something like that03:03
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Kasplattapt-get xserver-xorg-dev ?03:04
meborcyou are missing "install"03:05
Kasplattis that the same as x-window-system-dev ?03:06
meborca good Q... i'm not sure :)03:07
meborcit should be... in feisty03:07
KasplattI got edgy03:08
meborcone is windows system and one is server...03:09
KasplattI need it for cedega03:09
meborci guess they are not the same afterall03:09
meborcwhat are you trying to do? :p03:09
KasplattCVS build03:10
Kasplattmeborc, what to do thne ?03:11
Kasplatt* then03:11
meborcahh... never tried that...03:11
meborchave you tried to install it from apt?03:11
KasplattI am already running AIGLX... but I don't know if that has anything to do with x-window-system-dev03:11
meborcor what is the error message when you compile?03:12
Kasplattmeborc, E: package x-window-system-dev was not found03:12
meborcthen do "sudo apt-get install x-window-system-dev"03:12
Kasplattmeborc, or you can just help me get rar working :P03:13
meborcit's a dev package... it should not interfere with your setup03:13
Kasplattmeborc, I did. it didn't work03:13
meborcshould is a good word though03:13
Kasplattthat is what gives me the E: package not found03:13
meborcfor rar try "sudo apt-get install rar unrar"03:13
meborcoh... you have multiverse universe repos enabled?03:14
Kasplattwhat do I put in sources.list to get it ?03:14
meborcok... do this:03:14
meborcsudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list03:15
meborcand delete the "#" mark from the lines with web addresses on them03:15
meborcthere should be 2-6 of them in total03:15
Kasplattall of them ?03:15
meborconly from the ones starting with deb03:15
meborcor scr03:15
Kasplattthen to apt-get install rar unrar ?03:16
meborcthen to sudo apt-get update03:16
KasplattI did03:16
meborcand THEN sudo apt-get install rar unrar03:16
Kasplattthink its working :)03:16
meborcso you should have rar working03:17
Kasplatthow long is the trial ?03:17
meborcthis is only rar...03:17
meborccadega is a different matter :)03:17
meborcyou tried to compile cvs and it gave you error about the x-window...03:18
meborctry to install that package next03:18
meborcand you should also install build-essential if you want to compile programs yourself...03:19
meborcas it has some progz you need :)03:19
Kasplattmeborc, thaaanks dude !03:19
meborcno prob03:20
Kasplattmeborc, how do I open .rpm files or something ?03:20
meborcwell.. rpm files are ment for red hat package manager03:21
meborcyou should use deb03:21
meborcyou can convert rpm into deb03:21
meborcby using a command alien03:21
meborcyou have to install alien via apt-get first03:22
meborcmore info on how to install stuff from different sources and fileformats read this nice piece of work: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installingsoftware03:23
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Kasplattmeborc, if I want to extract something to like /etc/whateverwhatever.... how do I login as root ?03:25
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meborcyou dont need to... you just use "sudo" in front of the command03:26
meborcand then type in your password03:26
Kasplattmeborc, or can I just extract as whatever/.etc/ or whatever/.usr/ and xUbuntu will load it ?03:26
Kasplattmeborc, I'm not using terminal03:26
meborcare you using nautilus?03:26
KasplattxArchiver I think03:27
meborcok... but you are in gnome?03:27
meborcor kde?03:27
Kasplattmeborc, I got a .deb file... nevermind03:27
KasplattI think03:27
Kasplattmeborc, xfce03:28
meborcof course :D03:28
meborcok.. you can always open the terminal and type "sudo thunar" ... then you have root permissions in thunar03:28
Kasplattyes :)03:29
meborcthen you can use the option "extract here" via right-clik03:29
Kasplattokay, thanks :D03:29
meborcand copy paste whatever to whereever03:29
meborcjust be safe.. with root permissions you can screw your box big time03:29
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KasplattI know03:29
KasplattI'm told about all that03:29
meborcso you got a deb?03:30
Kasplattyes, I installed the package :D03:31
meborcxfce rocks03:31
meborci run feisty and i have no problems so far03:31
Kasplattyes :) this is the xUbuntu channel btw :P03:31
Kasplattmeborc, NICE !03:31
meborcyeah... i keep forgetting that03:32
meborcok... off to party... have fun03:32
Kasplatthehe, you too03:32
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SkippyXTop o' the mornin' to one & all.03:35
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oopsI have a question, if someone could please help me out04:56
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:56
meborcgo ahead04:56
oopswoah thanks :D04:57
oopswell, I'm kinda of a big linux newbie myself04:57
Eagle_PCso am I :D04:57
meborclike all04:57
oopsnop, probably I'm more :\ because you see, I'm on a wireless network04:58
oopsand I saved Rutil (i have a ralink card) to a cd04:58
meborcso what card do you have?04:58
oopsinstalled ubuntu, then wanted to connect to the internet04:58
oopsto change to xubuntu04:58
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oopsbut inside the Rutil folder, there was these files, but I didn't managed to do anything with them x.x04:59
oopsI was hoping, point and click only config, but nope04:59
oopsso what I'm looking for is some kinda of guide to help me out with program installations that don't envolve exe. files05:00
oopsthey have sh. files and etc05:00
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oopsI have a Ralink 2500 if I'm not mistaken05:00
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs05:01
Eagle_PCyou try that ;)05:01
meborctry http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html05:02
meborcit has sourcefiles for some drivers... you will need to extract them and install05:02
oopsfound it x)05:03
oopsbut I don't think this will make a diferrence05:03
meborccheck my link05:03
meborcand then check this http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing.html to install from source code05:04
oopsI configured the through System->Administration->Networking, but it didn't work05:04
oopsoh great!05:04
meborcyou will still need the drivers i think...05:04
oopshow to install ANYTHING xD05:04
oopsI was looking for that05:04
oopsthanks !05:04
meborcno problem... i guess the files on the ralink homepage will help only on some specific chipsets...05:05
oopsI think I'll print this and start building some sort of Ubuntu library for all my needs o.o05:05
meborcgood luck oops05:06
meborcbtw - we all have said oops way too many times in the past before :=05:07
oopsI'll keep that in mind05:07
meborci found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1409752#post140975205:08
meborcit might be the best :)05:08
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meborcahh... maybe not...05:09
meborcyou probably have to try all the options :)05:09
oopsI'll just print everything05:10
oopscan't go wrong with. everything, I suppose ._.05:10
meborcgood... that means you got the printer working at least :D05:10
oopsyep x)05:10
meborci have canon 250i... no way getting it to work though05:11
maxamillionHp printers + linux = own05:11
meborcok... off to wash the dishes... damn... i need a cleaning lady :D05:11
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oopsI have a HP printer O.o05:19
oopswill there be any problems?05:19
maxamillionoops: no, HP printers are fully supported "out of the box" with xubuntu (and majority of linux distros) because HP writes open source drivers for them05:20
maxamillionwell ... 95% of HP printers ... if you have a really old clunker it might not work05:20
maxamillionbut if it has a USB interface, i would be willing to bet that it will work05:21
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oopsnop I have a psc 1315 all in one05:21
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maxamillionyeah ... that one should work05:22
ffxrHI im lookking around for a dock type thing for xfce, but i dont wanna have to install a million depencies... has anybody got any ideas?05:23
maxamillionffxr: define "dock"05:23
rmd_ffxr, you can add launchers to an xfce4 panel05:24
rmd_if you're looking for "eye candy" you'll need a- or gdesklets05:24
rmd_not nett05:24
rmd_not need, per se05:24
rmd_but they've got the "eye candy"05:25
ffxras in osx like dock.. something pretty.. for either for app switching or app launching..05:25
rmd_adesklets = lower dependencies, almost none05:25
maxamillionrmd_: i was thinking that ffxr was thinking something like the OS X .... there we go05:25
ffxryeah eye candy..05:25
rmd_gdesklets = gnome dependencies05:25
ffxryeah.. dont fancy that gdesklets..05:25
maxamillionffxr: probably best bet for a OS X like dock will be the one from e1705:25
rmd_ffxr, why?05:25
rmd_maxamillion, enlightenment?05:25
ffxrall the depencies... rmd_ Or is there that many>05:25
ffxrmaxamillion, whatr it that?05:26
maxamillionffxr: you might want to think about trying out DreamLinux (not to discourage you from Xubuntu, but DreamLinux has Xfce and a "dock")05:26
rmd_ffxr, *shrug* i use gdesklets for the launcher app and for the desktop clock.  i noticed zero performance drop and the download, dependencies included, was not that great.05:26
maxamillionffxr: http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/index.html05:26
ffxroh.. maxamillion, i just set spent, the last couple of weeks setting up AMD64 xubuntu.. so m not reaslly ready to change just yet..05:26
maxamillionrmd_: yeah ... enlightenment1705:26
maxamillionffxr: oh ok ... well lemme get you a tutorial on how to get it on Xubuntu then05:27
ffxrthanks for the link tho.. ll have a look over it...05:27
rmd_i notice that dreamlinux screenshots make use of the xfce4 compositor05:28
ffxrk rmd_ what other features does that gdesklets have ? i do like the look of it.. but that g at the front always put me off...05:28
maxamillionffxr: here is a screenshot of dreamlinux http://dreamlinux.incubadora.fapesp.br/portal/arquivos/desktop.jpg05:28
maxamillionrmd_: yeah its running xfce4.4 and has "real" compositing05:29
rmd_ffxr, the best thing to do is just download the package and try it out.  you can always autoremove the app and the dependencies later.  i like that it has an extremely functional "shell" that you can use to browse desklets and manipulate them.  gdesklets are more configurable and more interactive than adesklets.05:29
maxamillionthere isn't an e17 package05:29
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ffxrmaxamillion, yeah i like that dock.. so dreamlinux is built upon xfce.. so it should be relatively simple to get it on xubuntu..05:30
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ffxri dont mind building from source05:30
rmd_maxamillion, yeah.  i used it for a little bit to make things purdy, but then the performance decrease got to me, as well as the fact that vlc would stop displaying correctly if i brought another window to the front.. and a gazillion other annoyances.05:30
maxamillionrmd_: i think the enlightenment package in the repos is e16 though05:30
maxamillionffxr: ok05:30
maxamillionffxr: http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com/2006/11/19/e17-on-ubuntu-a-brief-enlightenment/05:30
ffxryeah ok thanks rmd_  ll might well come back to gdesklets.. i could never get them adesklets to work...05:31
rmd_ffxr, what you do mean you couldn't get them to work?05:31
ffxrright max, ll have a look at that now.. thanks.. so that dock is called enlightenment05:31
maxamillionffxr: well, the dock is called engage ... its part of the enlightenment17 environment05:32
ffxri dunno rmd_ .. it was that long ago.. just remember them being a pain to config..05:32
maxamillionffxr: but i don't know of any other way of getting engage without e1705:32
rmd_ffxr, i'm not sure what you're talking about.  i just ran the .pl, tested it, and registered it.05:32
ffxrok.. maxamillion..  thanks.. ll have a wonder round the enlightment site and that see what my options are...05:33
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ffxrrmd_ not to worry.. u reckon gdesklets is better anyway..? dont know if i would be bothered with desklets anyway... i dont really see how fucntional they are..05:35
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ffxris there quick access to RSS feeds with gdesklets?05:35
maxamillionffxr: don't bother with desklets ... i tried em' ... they look cool for a day or two and then get boring05:35
maxamillionffxr: yeah05:35
rmd_ffxr, for what it's worth i can't get the damn launcher to work right now in gdesklets.05:35
rmd_ffxr, yeah, there's like seventeen of them05:35
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ffxrhahahh... right i see if i can get dock up.. first anyway...05:36
ffxrthanks for the nudges fella.. appreciated : )05:36
ffxrfellas* ; )05:37
oopsone question, do I need to be hooked via ethernet for this command?05:37
oopssudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)05:37
rmd_oops, you need to be connected to the internet, i believe05:38
oopsor when installing Rutil, it says: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev05:38
oopsto solve dependencies05:38
oopsagain, I must be connected?05:38
maxamillionoops: yes05:38
rmd_you need to be connected to solve dependencies, yes05:38
rmd_any time you use apt-get install, you need to be connected05:38
kalikianaor you use the install cd ;)05:39
ffxrits on the cd them packages05:39
kalikianasynaptic has a way to add the cd to the sources05:39
oopsso in those to cases, essential linux-headers and libgtk2.0 I just need the live CD/install cd?05:41
rmd_you can do it that way05:42
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oopswhat do I have to type to get them then? apt-get?05:42
rmd_oops, only if the package is present on the cd05:42
oopshum, how do I know that? ^^'05:42
rmd_oops, if you're trying to upgrade something, or install something not present on the cd, then you need to be connected05:42
maxamillionok ... i gotta run to class ... bbl05:42
oopsI'm trying to install Rutil, and it has those dependencies05:43
rmd_oops, you add the cd to your possible sources (using synaptic) and then you try to install it.  if you're not connected and the cd is in, it's not on the cd.  alternatively, there may be a list somewhere of all the packages on the cd.05:43
ffxrim not sure libgtk2.0  is on the cd.. build-essential is definately on the alternate cd...05:43
oops"if you're not connected and the cd is in, it's not on the cd" if im not connected to what? O.o the cd as possible source in synaptic? or internet?05:44
rmd_if you add the cd to your list of possible sources05:45
rmd_and try to install with the cd in place05:45
rmd_BUT you are not connected to the internet05:45
rmd_you will not be able to install anything that is NOT on the cd.  i think i'm just making an ass of myself, overcomplicating the obvious05:45
oopsnot, I kinda got this time xD05:46
oopsgot it*05:46
oopsdo you know if libgtk2.0 is in the cd?05:46
kalikianait is05:47
oopsok thanks05:47
kalikianaas xubuntu is 'based' on gtk ;)05:47
oopsso instead of using those two command lines, I just go to synaptic, use the CD as on of the sources, install those two dependencies05:47
oopsand go on with the Rutil installation05:47
oopsdid I missed anything?05:48
kalikianano, that's it.05:48
kalikianaof course you can still use either apt-get or synaptic. :)05:48
kalikianaonly I don't remember how to add the cd as a source via apt.05:49
ffxrsoftware sources -> third party -> add cdrom05:52
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ComputerHermithow do I get xubuntu05:55
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ComputerHermitfrom source05:55
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R[school] ndomthe entire distro from source?05:57
R[school] ndomwhy would you want to do a thing like that?05:57
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kalikianaComputerHermit, The only reasonable thing I could imagine would be to apt-get all the source files of the available packages and compiling them manually. However that still sounds strange.05:59
kalikianaSeriously, consider Lunar Linux or Gentoo.05:59
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ComputerHermithahahah   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Lunar+Linux+or+Gentoo.&btnG=Google+Search06:02
R[a] ndomthey're search results06:06
R[a] ndommost searches give them06:06
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rmd_anyone else in here use conky?06:11
oopshum, about ubuntu to xubuntu06:11
oopsI believed someone asked for this06:11
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R[a] ndombubble bath!06:19
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DameIm trying to boot xubuntu on a pretty low computer, pentium 1 but i cant get into fluxbox. When I try to boot ubuntu it freezes at gnome logging screen but fluxbox cant get loaded. I get blank black screen. I tried safe graphic mode too, not working. What else can i try?06:38
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TheSheepDame: alt+f1 to get to console and then log in and start X server manually06:49
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followmathWhat command I have to do to compile my kernel and check modules loaded?06:57
followmathI have Xubuntu 6.06 dapper06:58
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DameTheSheep, im getting out of memory. 64mb ram arent enough to boot?07:00
TheSheepDame: no07:01
TheSheepDame: for normal operation you'd need at least 96MB07:01
TheSheepDame: for doing anything advanced, 128MB07:01
TheSheepDame: you can try making a larger swap partition, but it will still be slow07:02
ffxri like the look of this enlightenment.. looks like a bit of a bitch to setup tho. does it work with beryl & is it easy to uninstall, anyone?07:02
TheSheepffxr: try asking on #enlightenment :)07:03
ffxrnow theres an idea.. thanks TheSheep : )07:04
DameTheSheep, how do i make larger swap before i install the actual system?07:04
TheSheepDame: install from the alternate cd07:04
TheSheepDame: it requires much less memory07:04
rmd_conky windows and xfce4 desktop windows do not play nice together07:05
magic_ninjaE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.07:24
rmd_magic_ninja, it happensa07:25
magic_ninjaso i g2 reconfigure everything07:26
rmd_just run that command07:27
rmd_its all automatic07:27
rmd_and it wont mess up your settings07:27
rmd_just fix whatever happened when synaptic/dpkg was interrupted07:27
magic_ninjaohh crap, i ran dpkg-reconfigure -a instead07:27
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oops-bathdoes anyone here worked with Rutil before?08:11
maxamillionnever heard of it08:12
maxamillionwhat is it?08:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rutil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:13
oops-bathRutil is the graphical driver program for Ralink wireless cards08:13
oops-bathI'd just like to know if it's equal to the Windows version of the driver (that came with the card itself)08:14
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ffxrhey maxamillion, does that enlightnenment work with beryl ok.. and see that script on that site... if i dont like, is it easy to remove e17 cleanly...08:48
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maxamillionffxr: technically you have to choose either enlightenment or beryl because they are both window managers, you might be able to pull of running engage (the dock app that is part of enlightenment) along with beryl08:49
maxamillionbut i don't know for sure08:50
tonyyarussoXubuntu seems to have the ability to do desktop icons in Feisty, but I seem to remember that was not always the case.  Does it in Dapper, or is an add-on like IDesk necessary?08:52
maxamilliontonyyarusso: dapper and edgy can do desktop icons08:52
tonyyarussomaxamillion: Sweet, don't need to worry about that then.  However, why is it that if I make a desktop icon in XFCE, and then switch back to Gnome, the icon is HUGE ?08:54
maxamilliontonyyarusso: the way each one handles icons ... i don't know for sure08:55
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assasukassehi everyone, is there someone that installed compiz on xubuntu herd5?09:27
assasukasseyesterday i tried xubuntu on edgy, but compiz didn't work09:27
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Kasplatthow do I get themes working properly ? when I change it it just changes some icons and the colors09:28
maxamillionassasukasse: i ran beryl on edgy flawlessly but it got annoying so i uninstalled it09:28
maxamillionKasplatt: you log out and log back in? ... it might just not be refreshing everything09:28
assasukassemaxamillion: i find beryl extremely annoying that's why i choose compiz :D09:28
maxamillionassasukasse: ah ... well i have no clue09:29
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Kasplattit still won't change extremely much :/09:32
Kasplattjust changes color and some icons09:32
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maxamillionKasplatt: hmmm... i really don't know what to tell you, i don't alter my themes much (barely ever)09:35
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Kasplattmaxamillion, xubuntu ?09:35
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maxamillionKasplatt: yup09:36
Kasplattmaxamillion, screenie ?09:36
pleia2Kasplatt: what do you want to change?09:36
Kasplattallmost everything09:37
pleia2Kasplatt: changing borders on windows and stuff is not handled by themes much, that's under Settings > Window Manger > Style09:37
pleia2in XFCE there are "Themes" and "Styles"09:38
Kasplattpleia2, that doesn't change the panel bars or anyhting... just some buttons09:39
maxamillionKasplatt: uploading screenie now ... just a moment09:39
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Kasplattmaxamillion, kay, thanks :)09:40
maxamillionKasplatt: http://www.swooh.com/~adam/workHDscreenshot.png <--that's my work machine (the one i am sitting at now)09:40
pleia2Kasplatt: you're at this screen, right? http://princessleia.com/temp/styles.jpg09:41
Kasplattpleia2, yes09:41
pleia2what version of xubuntu?09:42
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Kasplattpleia2, it changes the border of the "folders/frame" but it doesn't change the "panels" if you know what I mean09:43
Kasplattmaxamillion, I don't like the way that looks. :P09:46
maxamillionKasplatt: to each their own09:47
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pleia2Kasplatt: I might just suggest working with more themes and styles, I think many of the default ones don't make the drastic changes you're looking for09:47
Kasplattpleia2, I've tried 2 downloaded ones... don't change alot09:48
Kasplatthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM <--- want it to look something like that.09:49
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jffmriiihello al10:21
jffmriiianyone here from ubuntu chicago10:22
maxamillionnot i10:22
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posingaspopularjffmriii: yes10:46
posingaspopularwhy arent you in #ubuntu-chicago?10:46
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posingaspopular.... okay....10:49
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Lord_MaynothDoes installing xubuntu-desktop add to your ram usage if you reboot?11:29
Lord_MaynothI've got plenty of hard drive space11:29
assasukasseLord_Maynoth: no of course11:32
Lord_Maynothoh thats awesome!11:32
Lord_Maynothso in theory11:32
Lord_MaynothI could install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu also11:32
Lord_Maynothand it would just take extra hard drive space and not ram?11:33
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grazieLord_Maynoth: kde takes more resources than both gnome and xfce, so more ram would be needed11:36
tute666Lord_Maynoth: yes, you dont actually have both things running at the same time11:36
tute666xfce and kde are mutually exclusive in runtime11:36
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Lord_MaynothI was wondering how that worked11:37
grazieLord_Maynoth: I don't think it's sensible to install both gnome and kde myself11:37
tute666Lord_Maynoth:  basically, the login screen runs the dektop you choose11:37
tute666grazie: ive got:  xfce, fluxbox, ubuntu, enlightenment11:37
tute666plus gnome with enlightenment, gnome with xfwm11:38
Lord_MaynothI would like to install kde, xfce and gnome11:38
tute666Lord_Maynoth: go batshit if you have the disk space11:38
tute666eventually you'll only use one or two11:38
tute666plus, a few apps from some desktop specific packages are great11:39
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tute666k3b for burning, or amarok for music11:39
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Lord_MaynothI like nerolinux11:39
Lord_Maynotheven though its closed source11:39
tute666never tried11:39
Lord_MaynothI will prolly go with k3b when it gets more stable11:39
Lord_Maynothit only makes coasters11:39
Lord_Maynothon my rig :C11:39
grazieLord_Maynoth: k3b ain't going to get any more stable than it already is...you have another problem11:41
tute666yup.  the backend is failing, not k3b11:43
Lord_Maynothnever had an issue on nero for windows11:43
Lord_Maynothor nerolinux11:43
Lord_Maynothme shrugs11:43
Lord_MaynothI am really having fun11:44
Lord_Maynothlearning how to compile stuff11:44
Lord_MaynothI always hate running out of date software11:44
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Kasplattdoes VMware use a *lot* of the CPU ?11:46
Kasplattand what is the other one called ?11:46
Lord_MaynothI do something neat11:55
Lord_Maynothinstead of VMware11:55
Kasplattwhat ?11:55
Lord_MaynothI built a older win2k box11:56
Lord_Maynoth512mb ram11:56
KasplattLord_Maynoth, another PC ?11:56
Lord_Maynothand I installed VNC (remote desktop) software11:56
Lord_Maynothit works11:56
Lord_Maynothover my lan its fast11:56
Kasplattokay, nice :P11:57
Lord_Maynothits a lot faster than vmware ever would be11:57
KasplattLord_Maynoth, There is another one. What is it called ? not VMware but the other one11:58
Lord_Maynothdo I need to install anything else besides xubuntu-desktop11:58
Lord_MaynothI can't remember11:58
Lord_MaynothI don't mess with it11:58
Lord_Maynoththere is one built into the kernel11:58
KasplattI installed xUbuntu ixxx (don't remember the numbers)11:58
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rmd_just so everyone knows12:00
rmd_if you use the "minimized applications" option for the xfce desktop12:00
rmd_AND you use conky12:00
rmd_you need to set it as a derivative or whatever12:00
rmd_or, it will piss you off to no end for quite some time12:00
Lord_Maynothanyone here running xfce 4.4.012:01
Lord_Maynothhow do you think it compares in functionality to the current version of gnome in edgy12:01
Jester45its called qemu12:01
Jester45and they both use more ram and cpu than the real thing12:02
rmd_Lord_Maynoth, besides being about a gazillion times fast?12:02
Jester45Lord_Maynoth: you mixing DE there12:02
rmd_i need a timer app...12:03
rmd_why are the only teatimer apps listed for kde or gnome?  i know the devs have at least *heard* of gtk12:04
Jester45gnome uses gtk lots12:05
ffxrive just burnt a dvd with my dvd recorder, is their anything i need for me to have a look at it.. in ubuntu.. K3B is throwing out strange info's12:08
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odathi everyone12:09
odatneed some help12:09
odati was upgrading and the power went out12:10
Jester45ffxr: look at it? just put it in the drive12:10
odatnow when i try to start up even in recovery mode in hangs as soon as the console font loads12:10
Jester45odat: what were you upgrading12:10
odatto feisty12:11
odati succesfully did it on two other machines12:11
odatit seems something broke with the console font12:11
ffxrjester45 aye it just sits there doing nathin.. doesnt mount afaik.. nathin..12:11
Jester45ffxr: no icon on the screen?12:11
Jester45odat: looks like you did break somthing12:12
ffxrnope Jester45 maybe its an incompatibilty of some type.. ..12:12
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Jester45ffxr: what did you burn? iso? dvd video? data?12:13
odathow do i get around the console font loading12:13
odatand or how do i get to the command line12:13
ffxrjester45 a dvd recorder one that sits under a tv..12:13
Jester45odat: when does it crash?12:13
Jester45ffxr: so video then12:13
ffxraye dvd video.. is it a codec m missing then.. Jester4512:14
odatJester45, setting up console font and keymap12:14
Jester45it should show an icon unless its a blank drive12:14
Jester45ffxr: no codecs needed to look at the dvd now to play it you might need some12:15
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rmd_ffxr, which media player?12:15
Jester45odat: im not sure can you get to the gdm?12:15
odatJester45, nope12:15
ffxrright.. right Jester45.. naw i can get any info out of it at all .. i tried opening it in gxine...12:15
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rmd_ffxr, install vlc12:15
Jester45rmd_: he cant even see the disc12:16
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rmd_it doesn't mount or something?12:16
Jester45rmd_: and mplayer is better12:16
ffxri have, just treid that.. it just sits there n all vlc i mean.. rmd_12:16
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rmd_Jester45, vlc owns it to def12:16
Jester45no way vlc doesnt have anything over mplayer12:17
rmd_ffxr, did you install the css libs?12:17
Jester45its gui... lower quailty playback...12:17
ffxrhmmm no.. what css this rmd_12:17
rmd_lower quality my heiny12:17
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ffxrmaybe my problem is my dvd recorder or my cheaop dvds..12:17
cycrocan anybody help me setup printer sharing from xubnutu to xp?12:18
rmd_ffxr, it's probably12:18
odatany hints?12:18
ffxrsamba odat12:18
cycroim following this tutorial12:18
cycrobut im stuck12:18
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odatffxr, nope12:19
ffxrhaha sorry.. im lookin at this window wrong...12:19
Jester45ffxr:  odat is having a problem of upgrading from edgy to fiest and a power failure stopped said proccess12:19
Jester45and now he cant boot12:19
ffxrahhh Jester45 i c.. ve enough of my own problems , tbh tbf12:20
ffxr; )12:20
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ffxrso wheres you problem with that howto cycro?12:21
SkippyXQuestion: I just picked up a Dell Latitude cpi 300 XT (300 Mhz P2, 96 - soon to be 128 megs - RAM, 30 gig hdd). It's intended use is as an internet appliance (dial-up at home - broadband unattainable - wifi hotspots about in town). Can the lappy handle xubuntu?12:21
cycroffxr, its here: Also set which TCP port that the printer system will accept connections on. In Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) and Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) add this line under the Network Options part of the file (somewhere around line 420)12:22
cycromy file has like 32 lines12:22
ffxrdo u have the  Listen line?12:23
cycro# Only listen for connections from the local machine.12:24
cycroListen 63112:24
cycroListen /var/run/cups/cups.sock12:24
cycromy main problem is that i cant connect from my windows box12:24
cycroit says i need a user name and password12:24
cycrobut i never set one12:24
rmd_what's that package with the scary name for mp3 support and all that?12:25
ffxrhave you tried ur normal ubuntu password.. ?12:25

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